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The Tavajoh Broadcast (And Other Conspiracy News) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: would do the same, but then it would just collapse
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  Speaker 2: Adam's refusal to acknowledge the clear fraud and the Trump
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  Speaker 2: voting scandal in the twenty twenty four, twenty twenty, and
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen elections, it's frankly disgusting and historically disgraceful.
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  Speaker 1: Well, don't forget the fraud in the twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: California Prop fifty election. Also, Oh yeah, yeah, that one too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we got a lot of election fraud to address on
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  Speaker 1: this episode. We're doing a conspiracy News roundup episode.
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  Speaker 2: We don't even have time to get into the fact
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  Speaker 2: that in the pull for the most popular Gundams ever,
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  Speaker 2: the only gun thems for g gun then were Spike
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  Speaker 2: Gundam and Hurricane Gundam totally snuffing, burning and shadow.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's outrageous. It's like the time Rolling Stone did
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  Speaker 1: their list of the one hundred greatest guitar players of
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  Speaker 1: all time and didn't put prints on it. Come on,
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's fucked Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There was also a Vibe magazine did a list of
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  Speaker 1: the best slow jams of all time and there was
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  Speaker 1: no Eisley Brothers songs on it, And.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck did they do to Spin magazine?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, readers were irate. So yeah, we're recording this episode
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  Speaker 1: even though we are approximately just under three hours of
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  Speaker 1: away from probably nuclear apocalypse happening in Iran.
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  Speaker 2: We must bake our bread, you know, till our fields. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Trump has said that an entire civilization could die tonight,
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  Speaker 1: which that's not a war crime at all, just promising genocide.
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  Speaker 2: That's a fucking Slayer lyric, sure is, And I think
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about skeletons.
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  Speaker 1: So we power on even though it all might be
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  Speaker 1: over by the time this goes up. And wouldn't that
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  Speaker 1: be nice speaking of the war in Iran? Up First,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Kent. That name should sound vaguely familiar to people
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  Speaker 1: following the news these days. He's the former National counter
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  Speaker 1: Terrorism Center head who quit in protest over the Iran
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  Speaker 1: war in March, saying he couldn't, quote in good conscience
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  Speaker 1: end quote support it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, have you ever heard of this agency in your life?
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  Speaker 1: I had not. I know they're on twenty four. Was
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  Speaker 1: CTU the counter terrorism Unit, and that's who Jack Bauer
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  Speaker 1: worked for, But I didn't know we had a real one,
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, this has got to be a very minor.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like the least important counter terroristic agency, ironically,
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  Speaker 2: even though it's got counter terrorism right in the name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard of the NCC. That's not an
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  Speaker 1: acronym that gets thrown around much. I would be like,
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  Speaker 1: is that some kind of hockey league? This is a
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  Speaker 1: quote from Joe Kent. Iran posed no imminent threat to
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  Speaker 1: our nation, and it is clear that we started this
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  Speaker 1: war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American
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  Speaker 1: lobby end quote. Here's the thing. Joe Kent's probably a
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  Speaker 1: Nazi fuck, but I don't disagree with him.
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  Speaker 2: On that broken clocks are right twice a day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So he has most recently gotten in a tiff with
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  Speaker 1: CNN's Jake Tapper on social media because Tapper called out
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  Speaker 1: Joe Kent for sharing an article from Iranian state media
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  Speaker 1: that claimed the US was bombing the same area where
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  Speaker 1: that missing soldier was thought to be before we rescued him.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't pass this at all.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Jake Tapper responded to this and was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: this take didn't age well because Joe Kent re shared
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  Speaker 1: this article on Twitter and Jake Tapper quote tweeted it
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  Speaker 1: and said former National counter Terrorism Center director Joe Kent
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  Speaker 1: sharing Iranian state linked outlet nonsense claiming falsely that the
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  Speaker 1: US was trying to kill the then lost US pilot
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  Speaker 1: end quote. I would not put it past the US
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  Speaker 1: at all to be like, well, if we're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: find him, it's better that they don't find him alive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and or we get to gin up the nationalist
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  Speaker 2: sympathies of everyone once they see one of our boys
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  Speaker 2: got blown up by the dang Iranians. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And at the same time, I wouldn't at all put
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  Speaker 1: it past Iran to put this story out out there
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  Speaker 1: just to fuck with people.
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  Speaker 2: It's our fault for being and embodying the role of
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  Speaker 2: the Great Satan, because it's totally believable that we would
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  Speaker 2: do something like this, Yeah, that's the thing. You bomb
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  Speaker 2: a school full of girls, been that one guy that
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  Speaker 2: could be an inconvenience to you?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So Joe Kent, he fires back at Jake Tapper
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  Speaker 1: and accused him and the rest of the US media
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  Speaker 1: of trying to promote this foolish war and attack anyone
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  Speaker 1: who points out how this war isn't in our nation's
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  Speaker 1: interest end quote. And I think the media kind of
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  Speaker 1: always does that when we go to war. That's just
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  Speaker 1: a historical thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember when we first the Twelve Day War,
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  Speaker 2: when we first did those first run of strikes and
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  Speaker 2: rans nuclear facilities. I remember seeing Fox News and it
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  Speaker 2: was just like had this had already had a map
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  Speaker 2: of the nuclear facilities ready and was just talking about
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  Speaker 2: Tomahawk missile options, And it's like, Wow, you've been chopping
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  Speaker 2: at the bit for waiting for another one of these. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, again, this is a case where I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who's right. I don't know if the US
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  Speaker 1: really did this. And again I wouldn't put it past
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  Speaker 1: Iran to lie about this to make the US look bad,
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  Speaker 1: although that's not you don't really have to lie to
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  Speaker 1: do that these days. But you're right. It's because of
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  Speaker 1: the shit we've done in the Middle East already that
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  Speaker 1: a story like this is kind of believable. And that's
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  Speaker 1: our fault. That's no one's fault but our own.
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  Speaker 2: That's what happens when you have active concentration camps in
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  Speaker 2: your country, as you kind of lose the high ground
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  Speaker 2: on issues like this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when the president of your country is on
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  Speaker 1: social media threatening to commit genocide, it's hard to be like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: but we're the good guys and Iran are the bad guys,
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  Speaker 1: and so this story is obviously false. Here's a left
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  Speaker 1: field question that I feel like is vaguely related. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we've ever done an episode on it. What
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  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the theory that we actually shot
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  Speaker 1: down United Flight ninety three on nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 2: I've always been pretty agnostic about it. I haven't taken
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  Speaker 2: the time to dig into when any particular line of thought.
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  Speaker 2: I know, we did a great show back in the
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  Speaker 2: day about the Pentagon being hit by a missile instead
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  Speaker 2: of a plane, because there's only like a quarter of
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  Speaker 2: a frame of footage of it flying into the fucking building. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: But as for United ninety three, I don't know, you'd
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  Speaker 2: have to enlighten me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the only thing, I mean, for one thing, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be mad if we did. I think that would
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  Speaker 1: kind of be what you would do in that situation.
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  Speaker 1: If you're like, well, these three hijacked planes have already
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  Speaker 1: hit the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. We know this
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  Speaker 1: one's headed for the White House. Are we just gonna
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  Speaker 1: let it hit the White House? No, we would probably
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  Speaker 1: shoot it down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be mad if that happened. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it would be kind of protocol. But also there's
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Rumsfeld speech. I don't know where he is,
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  Speaker 1: who he's in front of, but I'm sure I could
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  Speaker 1: dig up video of it where he's talking about flight
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  Speaker 1: ninety three and he goes and when flight ninety three
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  Speaker 1: was shot down, I mean, when flight ninety three crashed,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, if anyone would know, it would be
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  Speaker 1: that fella.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of like George hw Bush at Gerald Ford's
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  Speaker 2: funeral and he's like, when John Kennedy was shot down
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  Speaker 2: by a blown gun man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: This is the only confirmation conspiracy theorist really get. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we can be as sure as we want to be.
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  Speaker 2: But there's never any smoking gun, just that one of
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  Speaker 2: these lizard fucks slips up in front of the camera
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  Speaker 2: one day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone's having an issue with their eye, and we're like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: look at their eyelid. It's a lizard. We're not like that,
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  Speaker 1: but some lizards.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, we are not never eaten fly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are not lizards. We are not lizard people.
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  Speaker 1: We certainly would not be doing this for a living
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  Speaker 1: if we were lizard people. Those motherfuckers are all rich.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and exposing lizard people as lizard people, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that sounds like a good way to get yourself killed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all either rich or somehow local news reporters.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the only two people I ever see called
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  Speaker 1: out as lizard people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. If I was a lizard person, I would be
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  Speaker 2: comparing one Ferrari to another Ferrari, I think, I think. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I would be changing the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, another Iran war conspiracy put this story
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  Speaker 1: directly in my veins. I fucking love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love stories about code breaking and ciphers and shit
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  Speaker 2: like that. This was definitely a fun one and a
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  Speaker 2: throwback to something I haven't thought about in a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I have heard about the number stations in World War
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  Speaker 2: two and Vietnam and shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Since the start of the US Israel attack on Iran,
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  Speaker 1: which was February twenty eight, a mysterious broadcast has been
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  Speaker 1: playing twice a day on a short wave radio frequency breaker,
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  Speaker 1: tava joe, tava joe, tava joe, tamajo, followed by a
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  Speaker 1: string of numbers in no apparent order. For the record,
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  Speaker 1: tavajo means attention in Persian, so I am almost certainly
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  Speaker 1: pronouncing that incorrectly.
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  Speaker 2: That's what a lot of Persian karate instructors end up
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  Speaker 2: saying a lot throughout the class.
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  Speaker 1: Tavajoe attention in Persian is the Robert del Naya of
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  Speaker 1: this episode, whose name I butchered pretty consistently last week
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  Speaker 1: for about half the episode.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta sometimes, I think you just got to lean
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  Speaker 2: into being white and say everything like Hank Hill tavajo yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and just don't even try more disrespectful to try than
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  Speaker 2: to just admit your ignorance.
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  Speaker 1: So this message carries on for about two hours, then
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  Speaker 1: stops and resumes again a few hours later. Every day,
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  Speaker 1: twice a day light clockwork at two o'clock UTC and
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  Speaker 1: eighteen hundred UTC since the start of the war. Every
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  Speaker 1: single day. Transmissions are divided into five to six segments,
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  Speaker 1: with each one lasting up to twenty minutes. Each segment
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  Speaker 1: starts with attention in Persian, followed by numbers, sometimes with
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  Speaker 1: an English or Persian word tossed in every once in
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  Speaker 1: a while. Fascinating. Five days into the broadcast, radio jammers
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  Speaker 1: could be heard trying to block the signal, and the
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  Speaker 1: following day the signal moved to a different frequency.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta love a tenacious broadcaster. Yeah, he was putting the
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  Speaker 2: truth out there and no matter what, And I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Put it in the notes. But the signal jammer in
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  Speaker 1: question is called a bubble jammer, and all it does
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  Speaker 1: is put bubble noises over whatever you're trying to transmit,
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  Speaker 1: so it's harder to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Interesting is that I didn't realize that would be
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  Speaker 2: such good camouflage for normal sounds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't either. If I can find a clip
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  Speaker 1: of a bubble jammer in action, I'll drop it into
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  Speaker 1: the episode right now. It seemed like a very unsophisticated
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  Speaker 1: type of technology, but apparently Iran, in particular, has been
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  Speaker 1: associated with the use of bubble jammers to block signals.
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  Speaker 2: I would love it if this was just some nineteen
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  Speaker 2: year old kids just doing this to fuck with people,
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  Speaker 2: just making up numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be very funny. But an organization called
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  Speaker 1: PREOM that tracks global military and intelligence use of shortwave radios,
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  Speaker 1: was able to identify the likely origin of the broadcast
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  Speaker 1: to a shortwave transmission facility inside a US military base
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  Speaker 1: in Boblingen, Germany, southwest of Stuttgart. It's located within a
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  Speaker 1: restricted training area with technical operations possibly linked to the
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  Speaker 1: US Army's fifty second Strategic Signal Battalion. And that's all
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  Speaker 1: according to Wired.
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  Speaker 2: Does that mean I don't know how the army works? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so let me just say that right now. But does
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  Speaker 2: that mean we have at least fifty one other strategic
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  Speaker 2: signal battalions? Is that how big and bloated the military is?
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  Speaker 2: Is there's fifty one other guys with shortwave radios?
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  Speaker 1: It's gotta be right. I can't imagine what else that
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  Speaker 1: would mean.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows?
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  Speaker 1: So that tells us where it's coming from, but not
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  Speaker 1: really who's doing it or why the thinking is that
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  Speaker 1: it's coming from a number station, which is a thing
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  Speaker 1: that was very common during World War Two and on
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  Speaker 1: into the Cold War. This is a quote from Maris
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  Speaker 1: goldmannis Latvian historian and number station researcher. Is an encrypted
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  Speaker 1: radio message used by foreign intelligence services, often as part
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  Speaker 1: of a complex operation by intelligence agencies and militaries. Also
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  Speaker 1: quoted in this Wired article, John Cipher.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect name for this story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's former CIA officer and friend of the show.
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  Speaker 1: We've had him on the pod and yeah, I told
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  Speaker 1: him on that episode, John Cipher, what a fucking name
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  Speaker 1: for an intelligence agent. His name might as well be
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Secrets, Jimmy Code. Yeah, that is such a perfect name.
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  Speaker 1: And he talked about this in the Wired article. Also,
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  Speaker 1: here's a kind of long quote. For intelligence agencies, it
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  Speaker 1: is a important to communicate with their spies to gather intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: This is not always possible in person due to political
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  Speaker 1: constraints or conflict. This is where number stations come in. Nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: you have various satellite and encrypted communications technologies, but during
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  Speaker 1: the Cold War and even before that, governments had to
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  Speaker 1: find ways to do this without being noticed, and broadcasting
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  Speaker 1: coded messages was one way to communicate with your assets discreetly.
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  Speaker 1: End quote. As for the numbers, he says, quote nobody
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  Speaker 1: can make heads or tails of it or understand what
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  Speaker 1: it says unless you have the code book that can
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  Speaker 1: give you hints to decrypt the code. End quote. What
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  Speaker 1: are the chances that downed Air Force pilot had the
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  Speaker 1: code book?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I mean non zero, but pretty low.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I doubt he was doing intelligence stuff or decoding
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  Speaker 2: shit by hand, you know. Yeah, they do a lot
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  Speaker 2: of codes or like correspond to If you know that
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  Speaker 2: you're supposed to read the first page of nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: four and then you know, corespond the letters to the
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  Speaker 2: numbers based on that, it'll be something like that. It'll
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  Speaker 2: be like the ninety third page of Fucking Low Leader
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  Speaker 2: or some random book, and that'll be the legend that
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  Speaker 2: you refer to to break the code. So it really
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  Speaker 2: is kind of like hard to You can make a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good code that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did an episode a while back, and I
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  Speaker 1: kind of want to revisit it again. You weren't on
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  Speaker 1: the episode we did, But it's about I think I've
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  Speaker 1: told you about it. It's about a ad that appeared
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  Speaker 1: in New Yorker magazine right before the Pearl Harbor attack
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  Speaker 1: for a board game called The Deadly Double, And it
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  Speaker 1: really does seem like a coded message that is tipping
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  Speaker 1: someone off about Pearl Harbor being a thing that's about
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  Speaker 1: to happen. There's a Snopes article that debunks it, and
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  Speaker 1: they leave a lot of detail out that makes it
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  Speaker 1: seem like a little more believable than they're letting on.
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  Speaker 1: But it does seem like an instance where they planted
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  Speaker 1: a coded message in an ad and got found out.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, but the paradox is my grandmother was at
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  Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. So no Pearl Harbor
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  Speaker 2: likely in the economic spaden Maybe no conspiracy the show.
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  Speaker 1: Oh damn? Yeah yeah yeah, so thank you. Was it
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  Speaker 1: FDR who was president then?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think we talked about this a little when we
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  Speaker 1: did an episode about the advanced knowledge theory of Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that one.
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  Speaker 1: We got to talk about the Deadly Double some more.
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  Speaker 1: I found some interesting shit about that. All right, next story,
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  Speaker 1: Americans are back in space, so of course there are
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories to be talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Back in a rented production space, right, back.
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  Speaker 1: In Stanley Kubrick's studio. Yeah, Filman Moore space bullshit. The
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  Speaker 1: Artemist two mission to the Moon launched recently, or did it.
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  Speaker 1: A video of the crew in space is sparking conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theory that it's all a hoax and they aren't really
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  Speaker 1: in space. And the video was filmed in front of
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  Speaker 1: a green screen. And the reason people think this is
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  Speaker 1: because there's a plush toy that's seen floating around the
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  Speaker 1: cabin because there's no gravity, and at one point it
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  Speaker 1: flickers a little and you see the letters tha N
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  Speaker 1: and then the letters OW just kind of flash across
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  Speaker 1: the toy's head and body, and it does look like
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  Speaker 1: that thing where someone's wearing green they stand in front
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  Speaker 1: of a green screen and oops. So that set people
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  Speaker 1: off on Twitter. This is quote pure.
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  Speaker 2: Green screen bullshit, same exact fabric they use on movie sets.
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  Speaker 1: Artemis fake as hell. They never went up there.
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  Speaker 2: Whole thing's a stage circus and where the idiot's paying
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  Speaker 2: for it, Truth's buried under layers of CGI and lies.
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  Speaker 2: Wake up man, that's probably actually what that guy sounds like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can't say wake up man and in
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  Speaker 2: any other voice, really, I guess I kind of get
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  Speaker 2: why people would be suspicious of this. It does look
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  Speaker 2: weird at first, sure, question everything. My first question, is
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  Speaker 2: there another feed of this footage and spoiler alert? Yes
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  Speaker 2: through it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. I can see why people would
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: be suspicious, But I also buy the explanation here. This
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: was a TV interview, so the TV station that was
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: broadcasting it most likely was using a chroma key filter,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: which is sort of works like a green screen, but
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: it's what broadcasters use to put graphics, logos, text, whatever
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: on the screen in real time during interviews.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: There's not that many TV shows anymore, and I'm sure
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: that people still working in TV on the technical side, like,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it might might be a goddamn skeleton crew.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: This shit happens. People fuck this stuff up. I've seen
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: it before.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're not necessarily going to know, Oh, that
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: plush toy floating in the corner is going to interact
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: with our chroma key filter a weird way. It's just
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a thing that happens. Sometimes. There is another feed of this,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: like Connor mentioned, that is from NASA, and this glitch
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: does not happen in that fee. So this was a
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: TV thing. This wasn't NASA faking orbiting right outside the moon?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: What's the controversy there. We've done that a bunch of times.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know why people would think it was fake
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: this time.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a pretty good MythBusters where they like
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: ping something that the Apollo astronauts left behind so that
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: they could basically prove that they went to the Moon.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, yeah, we can ping the thing,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: then can we just.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if we can find something we left there,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that's pretty compelling. I'm still on the side of it's
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: an amazing accomplishment either way.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to fake it or do it is kind of incredible.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: If we went to the moon, hell yeah. If we
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: tricked the world into thinking we went to the moon,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, Usa.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Baby love it. Either way. I'm with you on that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I grew up. My father's kind of an Apollo astronim there,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: so it's to me looks like a you know, a
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: rocket is like a sports car, but even more so,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: it's just a giant replacement for your peen. Oh yeah,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: on some level, I mean I get that there's real
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: science and real interesting things that people want to look at,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: but I can only see it now as an adult
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: in terms of meals for the poor.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, next story, Riverside County, Yellen Compton, but
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you move to Riverside. Sheriff Chad Bianco is running for
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: governor of California. As part of his campaign, he teamed
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: up with a judge he's friendly with, named Jay Keel,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: who authorized a bunch of warrants allowing Bianco to seize
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: six hundred thousand ballots cast in the twenty twenty five
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Prop fifty special election in Riverside.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: That's the Democrat gerrymandering proposition.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's the pushback against Texas redrawing their maps, which
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I still think is going to backfire on Texas. I'm
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: not so confident they're going to keep all those seats
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: that they think they're adding for Republicans. It's not going well.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I hope you're right.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's provided we have elections.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Still. Yeah, that's a big if. I'm going to cause
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: play as a conservative so Ice doesn't fuck with me.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to have like a don't tread
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: on my shirt and the applid kind of flannel over
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that with some I don't know, I'm going to look
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: like I'm wearing a total costume, but it'll be better
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: than whatever else I was going to wear.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just going to drop my ballot off in
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: person days in advance.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Probably that's probably a good move.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: A mail in ballot, so it will ultimately not be
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: counted the Supreme Court decides those are invalid or whatever
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the fuck. So the intent here was for deputies to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: hand recount those ballots as part of an investigation over
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: claims from a local activist group that there was a
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: discrepancy between the number of ballots cast and the number
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of ballots count it. Election officials have refuted those claims,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: saying the act of as group is using flawed and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: incomplete data, and now the recount is on hold after
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: lawsuits challenging it were filed by various groups. California Attorney
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: General Rob Bonta ordered Bianco to turn over the warrants
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that he was issued to justify the seizure, but then
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: refuse to make them public. And when news outlet cow
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Matters reached out to get those warrants for some reason,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Rob Bonta was like, now the judge sealed them. You
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: can't see him when they reached out to Bianco. He said,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: when the investigation's over, like every other case that's sealed,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: when it's unsealed, you'll get to see it. Don't you
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: act like this as something out of the ordinary, because
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it's not end quote, Yeah, it is.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: They'll take guy hiding something for ten thousand dolls.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Under state law, police have to execute warrants within ten
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: days of obtaining them, and the documents and supporting statements
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: have to be made public after that warrant is executed.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But it is common for law enforcement to ask for
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: warrants to remain sealed while an investigation is still happening.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Problem for Bianco here is he's the one who publicized
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: this investigation. He had a press conference about it on
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: March twentieth, Happy birthday to me, and announce the whole thing.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: So that's not a secret anymore. We know who he's investigating.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: It's six hundred thousand voters in Riverside County, So what's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to hide anymore? Release those warrants and now lawyers representing
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: cow Matters, The New York Times, The LA Times, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: several other news and TV outlets have filed a motion
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: to unseal the warrants and sworn statements in the case.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Now, is that six hundred thousand individual warrants or is
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that one warrant for six hundred thousand people? Because I
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: wouldn't put it past their government to just draw up
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: warrants for six hundred thousand people just to create busy
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: work and waste paper.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder. But because it was just one judge,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I wonder.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: You got out the autopen baby and just let it ride.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe had a I do. It is a thing
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that's happening with courts all the time now. Nothing terrifying
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, automated justice.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: This is a quote from Jean Paul Jasse, one of
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the lawyers representing the media outlets.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Ol Sassy Jasse.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: It is hard to imagine a stronger public interest than
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: access to a proceeding purporting to resolve allegations relating to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: election integrity, allegations at the heart of our democracy.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: End quote.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's one hundred percent correct there. I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: think the public would absolutely want to know why they
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: think this election was interfered with.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Obviously, this sounds to me like more examples of we're
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: in the era where now people are just trying to
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: just do things. Fuck to the system, fucked the norms,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: fucked with We're just going to do it, and we'll
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: see if we can get away with it, because clearly
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you can get away with it some of the time.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is especially what's going on with Trump right now,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and it seems like that's just trickling down. Like if
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you're an ardent enough Trump supporter these days, I feel
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like you do have a sense that you're kind of untouchable.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: You're almost like, worst case scenario, I just make a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: big stink about this and get pardoned. Yeah, yeah, become
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: one of the martyrs, one of the January six ers,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: who is just too real for everybody.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely feels like that right now. But I'm
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: sure it'll get better before it gets worse. Yeah, it'll
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: be fine.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Most people hear this podcast will straighten themselves out.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we convert Trump supporters pretty regularly. Just read
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the reviews. They love us.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Next story. This is an interesting take from an article
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: on the website of an outfit called the Lowe Institute,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: which is a non partisan international policy think tank located
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: in Sydney, Australia. According to their about page. While we
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: tend to associate AI and algorithms with the ability and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: potential to spread misinformation far and wide.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what has Australia ever had to do with
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: anything as far as global policy is concerned. I've never
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: been in a major war. There's never been at the
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: center of a trade agreement. This is like Switzerland writing
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: and having a policy institute about how to wage war.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It's like, you're the last person I would ask.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a good point.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It's like George W. Bush as a policy institute. It's like, brother,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: we do not want to hear it. You are not
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: good at this.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So, according to them, they actually think AI could be
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: used to fight against the spread of misinformation and things
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: of the like. Here's a quote. Traditional metrics of trust
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: across society are in free fall, so called vertical trust
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that in governments and media has collapsed, but so has
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: trust between one another, known as eye contact trust end quote.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: For example, they cite the fact that two percent of
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Americans say they trust Congress to do the right thing
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: most of the time these days. That number was seventy
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: three percent sixty years ago. Here's my first issue with
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: this article and the point they're making whose fault is that?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: That feels exactly like the great Satan thing you mentioned earlier.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It's not American's fault that they don't trust Congress to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: do the right thing anymore. That's Congress's fault for not
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: doing the fucking right thing most of the time. So
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is sort of suggesting, well, we
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: can put a band aid on that and just reconvince
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Americans that they should trust Congress.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I love the framing of it too, because it's they're
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: blaming you for not trusting Congress more. It's like, what
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the fuck does the matter with you? Yeah? What ye
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: of little faith? How dare you? What do you hate America?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And yeah, well, like what reason do we have to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: trust Congress?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: They voted for every horrible war. We've only got half
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the Jeffrey Epstein files. Like they stink.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they fucking suck.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: They turned the public option into a healthcare marketplace, whatever
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the goddamn fuck that is.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, but health insurance is so cheap right now?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Just ask me.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I pay just under five hundred dollars a month for medacal.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fucking debacle. So you're not gonna believe
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: this part. But according to the Lowe Institute, young people
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: seem to show the most mistrust in these institutions, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: so their suggestion is, well, young people tend to put
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: their trust in things like peer networks, influencers, and.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Now ai Alan Iverson. Finally, the kids are picking some
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: good role models. Got his logan, Paul's shit, you want
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to go to the fucking answer?
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this every time Alan Iverson comes up. But
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills did a schedule announcement video. When the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: NFL drops their schedules every year, each team does like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a social media video to show their schedule. And in
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: this video, their media guy is on the phone with
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the team quarterback Josh Allen, and he's like, Josh, I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: have no idea what we're gonna do for this schedule
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: release video.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Do you have any ideas?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And Josh Allen just goes, man, just have a I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: do it, and he goes, that's a great idea. And
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: then they just to Alan Iverson sitting at a table
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: holding up a piece of paper with the schedule on it,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and he goes, this is the schedule.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I'm late to this idea. Okay, that's okay, it's a
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: good one.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So Yeah. They mentioned that young people do tend to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: trust AI more than older people. So their argument is, well,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: if you guide AI responsibly, maybe it can fight all
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories and re up that trust that people
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: have in the government.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: If we use the robotic groupthink machine, we can make
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: everybody believe our version of history. Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: This feels like they think they're saying something good when
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: they're actually saying something very scary.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I think if you work in tech long enough, it
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: warps your brain and you really don't understand that what
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: you're doing is BL's a bub.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because what they're kind of saying is, well, we
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: could use AI not so much to crush descent, but
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: just to you know, work it out of the kids,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: flatten it a bit. Yeah, and they're presenting it as, oh,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: we'll keep the world safe from conspiracy theories.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: That's not the way I'm reading this. I'm just reading
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it as this is how the government is going to
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: censor shit. I just talked about it on an episode
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of The Solo Pod.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: AI is going to be so great for rewriting history
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: once you can get it to write curriculums and just
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: tell it what to leave out.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's Elon Musk is already doing that with Grog.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Every time Grok says something he doesn't like, he's like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: we're going to fix Grox so that it's more transphobic,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and likes, yeah, it makes my jaw stronger when you
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: generate pictures of me. Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's what the big push by the Trump
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: administration to get AI going as fast as they want
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: it going is all about. They want to, for one thing,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: just destroy critical thinking, but also they're going to need
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to replace all the farm workers once all the immigrants
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: are deported, and what better way to do that than
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: get rid of all the white collar jobs. And next thing,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you know, me and Connor are picking your strawberry. But
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: we'll still record podcasts.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: While we do it. Well, I know I've brought it
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: up on the show ten million times, but I love
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: that definition of propaganda, which is that which seeks to
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: exhaust critical thinking and annihilate the truth. And this sounds
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: like yet another example when you said exhaust your critical thinking,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Like it just presents you with this and they're all
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: designed them to make you want to use them to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: provide whatever kind of feedback is most stimulating you to
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: get you to type more prompts into the machine. Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: So they're these feedback loops which, if you program them right,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: could probably make any number of like vulnerable, lonely people
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: believe any number of things.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And this article points to two different studies that showed
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: AI chatbots are able to decrease conspiracy thinking in users.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Whatever have with the Sarah quill that used to decrease
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory thinking, it was a perfectly good medication we
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: had just for this respirodone.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: The way this study worked took people who believed in
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a certain conspiracy theory, had them go talk about it
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: with an AI chat bot that pushed back with facts
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and evidence, and in most cases, the people came out
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the other end not believing that conspiracy anymore, or at least,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you know, thinking a little less of it. And my
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: question is, Okay, what conspiracies were we talking about though?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Was it a layup like Sandy Hook or was it
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: was Saudi Arabia involved in nine to eleven? Because I
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: would love to argue a chatbot about that one. Fucking
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: bring it on, you, goddamn brainless robot.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Well, chatbots present themselves very authoritatively. They've always got a
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: numbered list that just gets spit out at light speed
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: about you know what you need to do about whatever.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: They hallucinate constantly, so they can present you this information
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: with this very authoritative kind of format and tone, but
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: they just will have no idea what they talk They're
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: completely imagining thing.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would debate an AI chatbot about the Deadly
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Double thing, because I know they're just gonna all their
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: information from all of the articles debunking it, at which
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: point I'm going to be like, Okay, but what about
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the fact that the guy's office was in the same
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: building as the Japanese consulate at the time, and he
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: was already in the military when he was developing this
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: board game? How did he have time to do that
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: while also serving in World War Two? But yeah, I'd
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: really like to know what conspiracy theories they ran past
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: this AI chatbot for these studies.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I'll see if I.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Can find them.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely interesting.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did notes kind of last minute for this,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: so I didn't get to dive into it the way
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I want. But yeah, this really feels like a double
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: edged sword kind of thing where yeah, AI could be
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: used to fight misinformation but define misinformation. Yeah, the thing
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: what do you consider misinformation? Slavery was bad? Is that
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the misinformation you're trying to fight? If so, this is
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: bad times. But enough about groc Yeah, exactly. Speaking of
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: conspiracies and elections and me doing these notes at the
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: last minute, because this story should have absolutely followed the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: one about the Riverside County sheriff fun twist in one
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: of the biggest news stories of the year that we've
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: all already forgotten about.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: No shit.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: It turns out that thing where we kicked off the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: new year by kidnapping the president of Venezuela and flying
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: them off to New York to stand trial on drug
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: charges might have been connected to claims that Trump actually
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: won the twenty twenty election. Apparently, and I don't know
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: how I missed this one. There was a theory that
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Maduro personally was controlling voting machines all around the world,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and he did that in twenty twenty four to flip
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the election for Joe Biden.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: This is just I can't believe this, just because the
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: sheer size and state of Venezuela compared to the United States.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: It's like telling me that fucking Krillin was manipulating Jeerin Adam.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: That is what I'm talking about.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I don't This is such an absurd theory to me.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: In it again feels like that thing I keep saying
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: about elections, where it feels like, for a while now
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: it's just been all right, who's got the best idea
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to topple Venezuela, We're just gonna go with that guy,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And it seems like they went with, all right, let's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: try the crazy shit this time around, and somehow it's working. Somehow.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: No one was like, well, have you considered just kidnapping
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: him and flying him to the United States?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: This is again and my thesis have been, we're just
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: doing things now.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like this would have started a war
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: most other eras of history, and we're just doing so
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: much now. It's like we don't have time to be
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: at war with you, where we've already moved on to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: other wars.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened that we're going to take Cuban next week?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Have we just given up on Greenland?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? I wish we were stealing greenland right now.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: At least that would at least we'd get some rare
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: earth metals out of it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Greenland actually makes sense in terms of why we
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: would want it, because it's the same thing with Russia.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: We've I don't remember if it this podcast where we
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: talked about it, but one of the big concerns with
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: global warming is it's gonna turn Russia into lush farmland,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Like Russia is gonna turn into fucking Iowa when all
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that shit melts, and then they're gonna have all the cows,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: They're gonna have all the fucking food supply. And I
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: feel like we're trying to get in on that shit
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: by claiming Canada and Greenland. That's what we fucking want.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: We want some global warming proof arable land. Yeah.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely what it's about. But also global warming.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Is not real, so that's a good point.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: There's that too. So this theory that Maduro controlled voting machines,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: it's just one of a million fucking theories that have
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: been thrown out about how the election was stolen. A
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: judge ruled that the theory was nonsense in twenty twenty three.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Apparently this is tied to the dominion voting machine theory.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Maduro is alleged to have some connections with dominion voting,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and that's how he's able to manipulate all this, which
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: goes back to kind of the same question I had
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: when we were talking about the Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: depositions in this idea that Jeffrey Epstein bought favor from
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the Clintons for twenty five thousand dollars to fight a
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: sex trafficking charge, and my thinking was, well, that's not
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: enough money. Yeah right, You're not going to pay off
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the Clintons with twenty five grand.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: That's cute. When am I going to put that with
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the rest of my millions? Now?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Think about all the no good world leaders out there
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: on the global stage who could potentially want access to
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: something like this, and you sell it to Maduro, I
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: guarantee Putin would have been offering more money.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah right.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: There's no way he's winning that auction, Absolutely not. And
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you can't sell it to everyone because then elections are
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: going to make no sense if people are just flipping
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: shit back and forth willy nilly, like the goddamn Sims.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know why the Sims.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of another anime analogy just to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: bother you. But it's coming up blank.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is tied to the dominion voting thing.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: A bunch of outlets that reported on it had to
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: pay a bunch of money to file defamation and libel lawsuits.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty five, two longtime proponents of the theory,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: former CIA official Gary Burnson and Venezuelan ex patriot Martin Rodel,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: pushed the case to US Attorney for Puerto Rico W.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Stephen Muldro. They also brief the Office of the Director
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: of National Intelligence, that is the office run by Tulci Gabbard,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the same office that did what recently seized voting machines
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: They don't need them, yeah, exactly. You know, we don't
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: count those anyway. Come on, and we barely do. They
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: don't even get electoral vote. No, they don't get picked
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the president. Yeah, wow, poor bastards.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And when she testified about this, she said it was
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: done at the request of the office of the US
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Attorney in Puerto Rico, the same one those two proponents
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of the Maduro theory pitched back in twenty twenty five.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So her office denies that that's why they sees those
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: voting machines, but I don't buy it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming they're because why Puerto Rico. I wonder if
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that's the only place that would let them sees voting machines.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe they've got some outdated ones that are easier to hack.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: There were apparently issues with their voting machines in that
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: they weren't like transmitting votes fast enough and things that
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I like.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't because of hacking. It was just shitty
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: infrastructure in Puerto Rico.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: You want to talk about voting machine, I'm a voting machine.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I voted like three, four or five times in the
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: last election.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, you got to. It's your civic duty to vote.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: So it's like double your civic duty to vote twice.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Youdn't couple my civic duty.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're just being a good American.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I'm practically a troop. Now.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: All right, this next story, this one hurts for me.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment it right away, but I
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: will say that I've met this person that we're talking
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: about here. I've worked with her at an award show before. Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, as someone who very much planned or plans
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: to see the Salt and pepa En Vogue TLC tour
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: this fall. You have to when it hits the Intuit Dome.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm gonna go. This kind of bums me out.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Chili the C in TLC, real name Razonda Thomas, is
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: now fighting accusations that she is a secret Maga chud.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: You've worked with her, did she come off as a
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Trump supporter? She was incredibly nice. She laughed at all
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: my stupid jokes. She was not stuck up or demanding
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: about anything the way.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Some celebrities are apt to be her and whatever the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: chick whose name starts with Tea is, We're totally great
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: t bas Tea bos That's right.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I fucking love TLC. They are one of my favorite
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: groups of all time.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: No scrubs, waterfalls, They got hits, yeah, which for a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: pretty short career is pretty impressive.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they sold a shit ton of records. They're
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: still I think the best selling female group.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Of all time. Oh so, I believe it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: So for starters. The Independent reported that Chile donated more
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: than one thousand dollars to Republican linked fundraisers and Trump
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: reelection efforts in twenty twenty four.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Could have been a mistake, could have thought it was
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: something else.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and that is her defense here. But
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: after that, fans found out that she'd reshared a video
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: on social media featuring Michelle Obama that was super popular
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: among conspiracy theorists.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: What's the conspiracy theory? I've heard the one where she's
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: actually a man?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know which Obama video
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: she shared.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: As long as they weren't depicted as monkeys in it,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I'm fine with it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be quite a step.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Who amongst this has not gotten a little high and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: endorsed the wrong conspiracy theory once or twice except me
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: and Adam I've never done that. Never.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: No, we only endorse the good stuff.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: We do a cold plunge before record session.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: So after fans started calling her out, she immediately jumped
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: on Instagram to explain that she accidentally reposted the video
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and didn't realize it. Here's a quote. Let me say
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: this first. I have the utmost respect and admiration from
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Michelle Obama and I would never say or do anything
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that is disrespectful to her or to any woman. I
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: would never do that. I have no clue that this
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: repost happened until I started getting phone calls and text
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: messages from everybody, and I immediately went to my page
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to see what was going on. End quote that was.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: The woman I met, totally positive, totally nice.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: And she claims what must have happened is her thumb
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: accidentally hit the repost button while she was scrolling. You
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: ever reposted anything on Instagram?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: And not once?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I have, and I don't recall what the process is like.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: They usually ask you at least one kind of like
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: are you sure? Yeah? But I see even with that,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I would just want to click something on it to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: make it go away. You know, I could see if
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I was I don't know, she's a she's not Jen Alpha,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: she wasn't raised on technology. You know.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find anything I'm comfortable reshare.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: We might be here a while.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you just you do just and now it
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: like won't let me un reshare it?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Uh it's just the tap of a button.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Chili might be onto something. Chili's indicated I
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: just unreposted that cat video. So now my latest repost
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: is a young man rapping about how you should buy
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a cat. So yeah, she could have just to accidentally repost.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: That rap actually turns into a conspiracy theory about Barack Obama.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, the cat rap does include several conspiracy theories
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: like how cats heal you when they purr and their
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: interdimensional beings, all things I believe.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how else could it they be so magnificent?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: So as for the donations, she said she made a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: mistake and didn't read the fine print and didn't know
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: what she was actually support, although one of the donations
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: went directly to an organization with Trump write in the name.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: But what this article doesn't mention, and I've only seen
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: this on Instagram, is that Chili also liked the whole
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: bunch of Trump and jd Vance posts on Instagram and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: commented on a bunch of them in ways that don't
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: make it seem like she's opposed to Trump. No.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I know, I've been writing for Chili this whole segment,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: but at this point I don't have a convenient explanation
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: for Yeah.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: There's even one where she commented on a video about
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the Trump Biden debate that was coming up, and she
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: left a comment that said should definitely have an audience smh,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: And someone responded and said Biden didn't want it, and
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: she replied, well, I can imagine why with the eyes
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: rolling emoji, and they should leave the mics on and
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: have two moderators, liberal and conservative.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not against a lot of these. Well, I don't
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: know about the audience. I think the the audience makes
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: it chievements of debate a bit. Yeah, but yeah, sure boy,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: they could pretty much all use more moderation.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: She liked a post announcing that JD. Vance was selected
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: as Trump's running mate.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe she thought they were really going to stop the
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: wars in the Middle East. That she bought into the
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: affordability stuff.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, anyone who believed that is dumb.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: She liked a video of someone painting over a mural
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris after the end of the election.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of posts these are I would probably
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: like that, So I don't know.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: The jury is out.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe she's just a little based, just a little teasy bit.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows. But here's the thing. Something like fifty
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: million people voted for Trump. I can't boycott all of them,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: especially when they're putting on a banger of a show
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: at the Intuit Dome.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. True.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: In October and tickets are very affordably rist.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't know the T and tea bar stood for Trump. Yeah, yeah,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: what does ta mean? I remember looking this up.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I believe it's just a play on her name, isn't it.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Your first name is Teon and boz is slang for boss.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, her name's Tion Watkins. Fucking love TLC goddamn.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, who knows. I guess the jury is still
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: out on whether Chili is a Trump supporter. She claims
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: she's not, So who knows. But that's our episode. We
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: did it, Connor, thank you so much for doing the pod.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: As always, what do we have to plug before we
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: get out of here? I got a couple new true
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: crime podcasts coming up soon, one about the history of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: true crime that I'll be hosting with Kerry Martin, and
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: one about the fantastic true crime TV show fear Thy Neighbor,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: which does feel like government propaganda is designed to convince
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you that, hey, you didn't want to buy a house anyway,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: look what happens when you do. That will be co
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: hosted by YouTube sensation John Lewis, so be on the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: lookout for those and other stuff. Connor, what do you
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: want to plug.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I want to plug. My album Crazy Actually Cool, available
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: anywhere records are sold.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And fan mail in stores soon. All right, let's get
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the fuck out of here. Connor say goodbye.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Goodbye everybody.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Goodbye everybody.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: We love you.