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Ep. 186: A High Level of "Grrrrrrr" · The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1: where you stand with on X Yeah, I need tell everybody, uh,
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Speaker 1: like about how cool it was and I got that
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Speaker 1: big yellow tail, and like how jealous you were and
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Speaker 1: and everything like that. I was just stoked because this
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Speaker 1: seemed like you were really struggling with all that saltwater
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Speaker 1: that's getting into your snarkle, and I was just calm
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Speaker 1: and chill and never got saltwater in my snarkle. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what you were doing wrong, but you'll probably learn.
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Speaker 1: You'll probably get that level of experience when you won't
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Speaker 1: get saltwater in your work one anymore. Well, when you
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Speaker 1: dive as deep as I dive, for as long as
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Speaker 1: I dive, the depths have a pull on you. And
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Speaker 1: you come back up and the depths pull on you,
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Speaker 1: and that makes your snorkle go under the salt water,
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Speaker 1: and then you drink a lot of the salt water.
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Speaker 1: Um probably read about that and some scientific But if
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Speaker 1: you can't really hold your breath at all, and you
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Speaker 1: can't really go down and you have to just be
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Speaker 1: at the surface, you probably get pretty good at keeping
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Speaker 1: your snorkel abubble water. But I don't have any practice.
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Speaker 1: Come always down super deep? Got it? Uh? Greg? You
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Speaker 1: I feel like you don't even need introduction because we
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Speaker 1: gave you a shout out one time at the Live
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Speaker 1: Sacramento show. You did did you get any business from that?
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Speaker 1: I have no clue. No one came in and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: I heard your name. Okay, do it then talk to
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Speaker 1: introduce yourself. Greg Fonts, owner of the Free Dive Shop,
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Speaker 1: distributor for Rob Allen, ocean Hunter and Master Carpon fans,
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Speaker 1: as well as lightly lightly accomplished competitive spear fisherman. And
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Speaker 1: I'll point out a full time fireman. Yeah, dude, fireman.
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Speaker 1: I need to talk to like whoever negotiates with the
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Speaker 1: fireman union because I feel like you guys you're talking
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Speaker 1: to really you're actually talking you you negotiate on behalf
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Speaker 1: of the fireman. Oh, you're doing a great job, because
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Speaker 1: I've made a lot of firemen. That's a schedule. If
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Speaker 1: I could go back in time, I would be a fireman.
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Speaker 1: What do you guys work? You guys work like two
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Speaker 1: on thirty off or something like that. I can't talk
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Speaker 1: about it. It's too you don't want a competition, you know,
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Speaker 1: want people moving in on your business. Yeah, it's like
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Speaker 1: twelve twelve hours on thirty days off. Just think for
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Speaker 1: everyone at the media the office went to that schedule.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's nice being a fireman. Um Sacramentos
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Speaker 1: where your dive shop is. Yeah, we's Sacramento in particular. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So people that want people that listen to this and
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Speaker 1: get all inspired to get into beer fishing can go
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Speaker 1: down and talk to your wife. I understand, Craig, yep,
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Speaker 1: me my wife, Jason. Those are the primary people probably
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Speaker 1: talk to you on the phone. You sent me a
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Speaker 1: video once explaining how something worked. I mean to ask
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Speaker 1: you about this, and you had on an apron pants
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Speaker 1: less apron and pant and pants and no pants, and
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Speaker 1: I was, what's going on there? I was just wondering
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna pick up on it? I did? Did you?
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Speaker 1: Yea even sold my wife? There you go. I'm like
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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I feel like this
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Speaker 1: I believe this gentleman has no pants on, no pants,
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Speaker 1: And I was wondering if you're gonna say anything. And
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Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time like that just to
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Speaker 1: see if you would say anything, and you didn't, So
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Speaker 1: I didn't say anything to my wife. Yeah, and then
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Speaker 1: it just never happened. And the problem was the shot.
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Speaker 1: The shot was a little lot of focus, so I
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Speaker 1: didn't know, like you know, I know you have a
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Speaker 1: lot going on. So you were oh, no, I took,
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Speaker 1: I took no, but ever occurred to me either, just
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Speaker 1: be that you were just messing with me. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: because I was having a hard time. Um, I'll just
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Speaker 1: come out and say, I'm look an inspire. I feel
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Speaker 1: like I wasted my life instead of doing all the
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Speaker 1: things I did, I should have spent all that time
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Speaker 1: spear fishing. And now I'm like an aspiring spear fisherman
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Speaker 1: who I've misspent my entire life and I'm only now
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Speaker 1: getting back on tracked what I should have been doing
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Speaker 1: the whole time. Um, you wear pants too much? And
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Speaker 1: I was, and I had a gun and I couldn't
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Speaker 1: figure it out. And I sent Gregor question and he's
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Speaker 1: sitting there in the apron and he turned around. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was like a spear fishing thing, but
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Speaker 1: I didn't understand. And I like that. I like that,
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Speaker 1: um good. And then George the ship's captain, captain of
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Speaker 1: the not yours, which is not a yacht. It's a
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Speaker 1: large fishing boat. Correct three year old fishing boat, a
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Speaker 1: thirty year old fishing boat. And you're just a hobbyist
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Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, I just show up and play. But
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Speaker 1: you know, you've never been in the You've never been
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Speaker 1: like in the business of spear fishing, or are you.
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Speaker 1: I competed in one Nationals, which was quite a comedy
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Speaker 1: of errors where it was at Leo Creole State Park
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Speaker 1: here in California, with um my good buddy alex Or
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Speaker 1: knowing another buddy of ours, Mike Walker, and we had
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Speaker 1: been probably spearfishing about a year and a half or so,
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Speaker 1: and we finagled some some dive club to sponsor us,
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Speaker 1: because we had to be sponsored to get in this thing.
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Speaker 1: So we found a dive company or dive group in
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Speaker 1: Florida gave us a rubber stamp. We entered the contest
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Speaker 1: and ninus saying you guys asked no, but we did
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Speaker 1: not come in last It was great, Yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: it was It was interesting. So how many how many
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Speaker 1: participants will be in a speaking of there? That's probably
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Speaker 1: where we introduced Alex. He'd probably be able to speak
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Speaker 1: on that. Mm hmmm. Pleasure to be here. Introduce yourself.
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Speaker 1: You're you're a competitive spear fisherman. I'm truly officially retired
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Speaker 1: from competitive spear fishing. You don't go anymore. I've run
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Speaker 1: my damn it, and now I'm too old. Oh how
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Speaker 1: old you like in the autumn of your career as
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Speaker 1: a spear fisherman. Yeah, it's coming gone, Like what happens?
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Speaker 1: How old are you? Dude? So I'm just coming in man,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm already older in you. You need
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Speaker 1: to be a millennial at this point in order to
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Speaker 1: to take it down at the comps, unless you're in Florida,
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Speaker 1: then you need to be a millionaire because only the
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Speaker 1: boys with the big money get to play in those
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Speaker 1: comps because those are big boat comps. So I'm already
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Speaker 1: like too old to ever be really good, to be
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Speaker 1: really good, no, to be recognized as one of the
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Speaker 1: elite amongst the elite in the competition. Circles. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: because what happens, body, this isn't what it was. You
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Speaker 1: just don't care anymore. I'm not understanding you gotta be
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Speaker 1: more clear in the beginning, Like right now, you're at
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Speaker 1: the beginning and you're amped. Oh I I'm with you,
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Speaker 1: and you're at the point where you're ready to go.
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Speaker 1: I want to I want to see what I'm made
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Speaker 1: of in comparison to everybody else. See George and I
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Speaker 1: we did that. We we we said we want to
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Speaker 1: see what we're made of. And so we got rubber
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Speaker 1: stamp from this club in Florida, and we went out
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Speaker 1: and we showed him what we were made of, and
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Speaker 1: what was it that you were made of? We we
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Speaker 1: we finished second to last, finished last out of fourteen teams.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, we just went in to serf.
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Speaker 1: Serve just piled us up. Kayak weight belt lost. I'm
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Speaker 1: paddling out there. I don't have a weight belt. I've
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Speaker 1: got to do the whole competition with. I got my
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Speaker 1: anchor from my kayak. I've stuffed it in here, borrowed
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks from him, stuffed him in my pants.
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Speaker 1: I had to overhaul competition with a big rip in
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Speaker 1: my wet suit, was freezing with an anchor stuffed in
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Speaker 1: my wet suit as my weight belt. And that's how
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Speaker 1: that's how the competition started for us. It was just
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Speaker 1: all downhill from the pretty much. Okay, what year was that?
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Speaker 1: Was that? Two thousand seven? I don't even I couldn't
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Speaker 1: tell you. It might have been seven, or it might
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Speaker 1: have been nine. That was our first U S Nationals.
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Speaker 1: My one and only I really got the bug and
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Speaker 1: I went, Okay, this is cool. And I took the
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Speaker 1: time to go and meet some of the the bigger
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Speaker 1: tournament players here in northern California, and I had a
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Speaker 1: couple of guys took me under their their wing and
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Speaker 1: really started to teach me how to prepare, how to learn,
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Speaker 1: how to learn, how to set yourself up to perform
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Speaker 1: at a high level in spear fishing tournaments. Everything from
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Speaker 1: learning the ocean, learning the fish, um, creating a strategy,
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Speaker 1: understanding time. Time is really important and I went through
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Speaker 1: a through that for a long long period of time.
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Speaker 1: Dovin multiple nationals, qualified for the U S national team
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Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen, went and represented the US in Peru,
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Speaker 1: and after Peru, went, Okay, this has been an awesome run,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to transition out of the I'm doing
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Speaker 1: this for sport and more into the soul spear fishing side.
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Speaker 1: And it's been a great transition, and I haven't been
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Speaker 1: happier about I mean, I couldn't be happier about it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: to be honestly, I'm not. I wouldn't be drawn to
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Speaker 1: um any kind of competition like that. Yeah. It In
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Speaker 1: every sport there's the good and the bad, and fortunately
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Speaker 1: I was surrounded by a lot of the good and
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Speaker 1: that that's what for me made it so fantastic. I
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Speaker 1: think the thing that one of the things I wanted
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Speaker 1: to ask you guys all about this is on people's mind.
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Speaker 1: He used to be on my mind. What's your what's
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Speaker 1: the psychology you have for uh sharks? Because like when
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Speaker 1: we're messed with that, I mean, we're we're a little
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Speaker 1: south of Great White We're in California right now, but
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Speaker 1: we're a little bit of south of the Great White area,
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Speaker 1: right the Great White Shark area. We're not because it
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Speaker 1: wasn't lost on me yesterday that we're sitting there in
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Speaker 1: the water, gutting, bleeding fish that are flopping around. You
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Speaker 1: got them tied to your waist. Uh. When I asked
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Speaker 1: George early on, I was like, what about the sharks,
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Speaker 1: and he said, there's nothing you can do because you
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Speaker 1: don't even know it until it happens. He's like, there's
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Speaker 1: no point in thinking about it. It's kind of worrying
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Speaker 1: about a mountain lion, right, yeah, which I don't even
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Speaker 1: think about. Right when he gets you, it is going
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Speaker 1: to be over like that. Yeah, it's the same for
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Speaker 1: us right now. Before we started this trip, one of
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Speaker 1: the largest Great Whites that has been sighted was on
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Speaker 1: the backside of Anna Kappa where we were warming up.
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Speaker 1: It was where we started. You guys, to tell me
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Speaker 1: about that. It's not important. So what's your what's your
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Speaker 1: viewpoint on start? Like, we'll go the same way we
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Speaker 1: did introductions. What's your view like, how do you cope
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Speaker 1: with the idea of sharks because you had a great
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Speaker 1: white take a swipe at you? I did? I did.
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Speaker 1: I was about two miles north of Albion scouting for
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Speaker 1: a tournament. Tell people where it is totally familiar. So
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Speaker 1: if you go into Mendocino County, if you know where
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Speaker 1: Fort Bragg is, it's maybe twenty minutes south of there
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Speaker 1: in the Great State of California, Great City of California,
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Speaker 1: up up in northern California, and I was scouting for
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Speaker 1: a tournament. My dad was on the boat and this
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Speaker 1: is one thing that uh, I don't do is my
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Speaker 1: dad was bringing up sharks the whole way up, and
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, that's just you don't do it talking
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Speaker 1: about it, Yeah, because you guys don't talk about now
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Speaker 1: we don't talk You just don't talk about It's just
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Speaker 1: one of those things you don't talk about. And the
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Speaker 1: whole way up he's he's bringing it up a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and you know, it's my dad, and I was just
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Speaker 1: trying to shrug it off. Uh. So we get in
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Speaker 1: the water and they always say, truck, trust your instincts, right,
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Speaker 1: And like that day, I was like, I feel at loft,
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Speaker 1: but went scouted anyway. Uh sixty five ft of water
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Speaker 1: coming up from a dive where I found it was
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Speaker 1: actually Alex. You'd appreciate this. It was Alex's Lincott hole.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't in the tournament. Verifying verifying it is it
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Speaker 1: is one of the best Lincot holes in the othern California,
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Speaker 1: explainably described to people lincock hole real quick. Truly it
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Speaker 1: is perfect. It's a perfect scenario. So this is in
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Speaker 1: about sixty five water um, not too much around it,
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Speaker 1: so it's actually kind of hard to find. So you
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Speaker 1: can't just like happen upon this thing. Just it's an
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Speaker 1: area you wouldn't really dive all that much and uh
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Speaker 1: jumped in and really the lincod hole itself it's perfect.
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Speaker 1: You kind of go down and it's like these two
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Speaker 1: rocks lean on each other and there's there's an entrance
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Speaker 1: in an exit, but to your left there's a tight hole.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of times what people think link I had,
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Speaker 1: you know, want these big, huge caves. What they want
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Speaker 1: is maybe a cave that goes into a very tight entrance.
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Speaker 1: You know. Some of some good link cod holes are
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Speaker 1: only you know, the entrance is only maybe eight or
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Speaker 1: ten inches high. If that they like squeeze in there
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Speaker 1: and really like to be secure. Yeah. I always think
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Speaker 1: to myself, if a seal can't get its head in there,
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Speaker 1: then it's a perfect spot for a link Huh. Right,
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Speaker 1: a predator can't get in, but they can finagle their
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Speaker 1: way in there, then you know that. Okay, this is
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Speaker 1: this is to let me interrupt your story. Uh. As
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Speaker 1: a lifelong rod and real fisherman, we don't uh. You
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Speaker 1: guys deal in such a different level of detail about
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Speaker 1: what's going on below the water surface. Where we might
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Speaker 1: say that's a great spire to catch a link, or
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Speaker 1: that's a nice rock pile to catch a link. COD,
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Speaker 1: a spear fisherman knows the whole that that son of
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Speaker 1: a bitch lives in in the rock pile. We we
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Speaker 1: know the detail of the reef, especially the people. As
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Speaker 1: you get into it more, you start carrying market Boody's
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Speaker 1: and gps is, and you'll not only mark market on GPS,
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Speaker 1: you'll probably go into your little notebook later and say,
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Speaker 1: this is a westerly or northeast facing hole enter from
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Speaker 1: this direction, look left. You know that much of a detail.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, you might say a rock pile, but we
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Speaker 1: know which hole in that rock pile that link is in,
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Speaker 1: and we know the prevailing swell. Link cod won't typically
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Speaker 1: face the prevailing swell, so we don't waste time in
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Speaker 1: the prevailing swell. We work on the lee side down
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Speaker 1: and around a corner where it's always down and around
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Speaker 1: a corner or tight. If it isn't, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to get blast in the face. Yeah, if it isn't
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Speaker 1: a prevailing swell, and it's going to be a very
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Speaker 1: specific a fixed sheltered rock piler or set of rocks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right. So you go down there and
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Speaker 1: I get the link cod hole is a link cod
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Speaker 1: hole and other link cod like it's like a bear
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Speaker 1: den or good bear den bears. The bears all die
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Speaker 1: and then new bears will come and those bears will
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Speaker 1: find that den in use. Yeah, you can shoot a
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Speaker 1: line and have a link in it, you know, a
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Speaker 1: couple of days later. Uh. Usually the big you know,
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Speaker 1: like this, this particular hole um is perfect and usually
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Speaker 1: has big females in it, and that's usually typically what
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Speaker 1: you find in there. You won't find like a small
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Speaker 1: male or anything like that. This is a typically a
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Speaker 1: big female link cod hole UM. So basically swimming down,
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Speaker 1: going to check this thing. At about six or five
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Speaker 1: ft you go and it's an entrance and it has
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Speaker 1: a left hole and a right hole. So I look
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Speaker 1: in left and I didn't see anything. And you look
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Speaker 1: in and at the very very yeah flat, you have
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Speaker 1: to have a flashlight hunting these things. Because we're talking.
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Speaker 1: I'm probably in the main hole four ft five ft
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Speaker 1: and this hole that the we're working on, you the
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Speaker 1: bottom of the holes, all the whole entrances at about yeah,
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Speaker 1: so then you go and so you're in this hole
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Speaker 1: and then it has a whole little left which didn't
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Speaker 1: see it initially. Then I looked way up and this
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Speaker 1: hole is probably I don't know, eight ft nine feet
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Speaker 1: back and this thing is tucked all the way back
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Speaker 1: in just looking then I pushed out of that hole
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Speaker 1: a little bit and then there's actually a bon Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's a bonus kind of a bonus nook in the
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Speaker 1: same hole, and there's vermilion a lot of times tucked
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Speaker 1: in there. And actually when I found this everything time
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Speaker 1: because I actually followed a vermillion to this hole when
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Speaker 1: on this particularly when I how you found out about it.
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Speaker 1: No I knew where it was, but as I was
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Speaker 1: heading down, I was like, oh, nice vermilion. Oh oh,
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Speaker 1: it's heading right into them where I need to go.
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Speaker 1: Perfect um, So yeah, I found the link there and
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Speaker 1: then uh, vermilion to my right pop out that there's
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Speaker 1: actually exit. You can pop out the backside of it.
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Speaker 1: So you went through the hole. Yeah, it's kind of
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Speaker 1: like a really tight arch that has kind of caves.
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Speaker 1: It go not caves, but like small small holes to
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Speaker 1: go left and right. And uh, what's interesting about this
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Speaker 1: is if you look at this hole from the top,
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Speaker 1: let's say you just dive down thirty because the bottom
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Speaker 1: and the rocks are virtually the same color, it looks
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Speaker 1: dead flat. It's very hard. That's what makes it so special.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of people could swim over this and
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Speaker 1: they'd never know. You have to get on the bottom
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Speaker 1: in order to see it. If I start like a
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Speaker 1: spearfishing company, I'm calling the whole hunter. Yeah, go on.
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Speaker 1: So there we are. This particular day there was really
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Speaker 1: good viz um, which is not typical of the North Coast.
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Speaker 1: It was probably thirty ft of is or so. So
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Speaker 1: go exit. That's way ability for North cos it's great
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Speaker 1: um and kind of on the way up, I was
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Speaker 1: just just shaking my head like, yes, that's what I mean.
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Speaker 1: That is like to have. I mean the laying at
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Speaker 1: the time, I think was around the twentysothing pounder it was.
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Speaker 1: It was a studling. Is this in competition or is
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Speaker 1: this pre pre competition? What's your old man doing. He's
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Speaker 1: on the boat, was hanging out. He's so bless his heart,
18:12
Speaker 1: he gets violently csick. So that's why he the skilled
18:16
Speaker 1: palamine patches that we had Yannie test out. That's that's
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Speaker 1: kind of what he uses. Um, Yanni people got the
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Speaker 1: suppression Johnnie like he's all tough stock and everything. Dude,
18:29
Speaker 1: water due falls apart. So he's he's fine, he's he's
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Speaker 1: just sitting on the boat waiting and uh, for some reason,
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Speaker 1: which you're not supposed to do. But for some reason,
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Speaker 1: I looked up saw the boat and I said, well
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Speaker 1: I might as well. Okay, why can't you look up?
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Speaker 1: I'm doing great hosting right now because we're hitting a
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Speaker 1: lot of little diving tips along the way. Why can't
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Speaker 1: you look up? In general, you shouldn't look up because
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Speaker 1: site one, it messes with your your throat and your airway,
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Speaker 1: your hyper extending everything. Um. So, on the way up,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter so much. But uh, if you are
19:05
Speaker 1: making a deep diving coming back up and you look
19:07
Speaker 1: up and you're just going ship, that's a long ways up.
19:11
Speaker 1: You're psychologically just putting yourself down. So you just kick
19:15
Speaker 1: up and like like you kind of learned on this trip.
19:17
Speaker 1: You start feeling that positive buoyancy point where you get
19:20
Speaker 1: a free right up once you that's a great feeling.
19:23
Speaker 1: And I took your advice and didn't I took it
19:25
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't diving deep just to just to
19:27
Speaker 1: get in there, just to get because like hy form,
19:29
Speaker 1: bad habits when you're just starting out. So once you
19:32
Speaker 1: told me not to look up, I just decided, like,
19:34
Speaker 1: I'm not even deep anyway, but I won't look up. Yeah,
19:36
Speaker 1: it's just again the light, just when you're looking straight.
19:40
Speaker 1: Once you do it a few times, you know right
19:41
Speaker 1: where you're at. That's by the amount of light pouring through.
19:44
Speaker 1: If you're having a particularly feel, you know, from visibility
19:47
Speaker 1: to just kind of what's going on, you'll get a
19:49
Speaker 1: different feeling for the depths. And then all of a
19:51
Speaker 1: sudden you feel like rising up and you just chill,
19:53
Speaker 1: stop kicking and free right up. So there you are.
19:56
Speaker 1: So there, I am kicking, and for some reason I
19:58
Speaker 1: looked up and I what's going on? I might as
20:00
Speaker 1: well kick up to the boat and stuff kicking. Normally
20:02
Speaker 1: just kicked straight up, do your recovery breast and then
20:06
Speaker 1: kick wherever you're gonna kick. For some reason, I kicked
20:09
Speaker 1: to the boat and as I was reaching up, um,
20:12
Speaker 1: as my dad describes, a twelve by twelve boil pushed
20:15
Speaker 1: up about a foot around me and I was grabbing
20:18
Speaker 1: the boat and knocked me off the boat. I got
20:20
Speaker 1: back on the boat, turned around and it was you
20:23
Speaker 1: know this just it looked like disturbed water and like
20:27
Speaker 1: a rapids, just this huge, massive boil. Um. And the
20:32
Speaker 1: first thing that Dad says is do you think that
20:34
Speaker 1: could have been a whale? And then we started talking.
20:39
Speaker 1: I app the back side of it and everything else. Um.
20:43
Speaker 1: So again, but like George said, so he changed his mind.
20:47
Speaker 1: I think the only reason probably the visibility was good
20:50
Speaker 1: and I was coming up next to a large object
20:53
Speaker 1: right I was. I probably faded out against the boat.
20:56
Speaker 1: Um because it happened right when I was reaching for
20:58
Speaker 1: the boat. So he changed his mind, thankfully, and thankfully
21:02
Speaker 1: I didn't come up straight up. Else I probably would
21:04
Speaker 1: have either gotten bumped or nailed, or who knows what
21:07
Speaker 1: would have happened. So but I liked it. E went
21:09
Speaker 1: got right back in the water. I did. I pulled
21:13
Speaker 1: the anchor and my dad dropped me on a linkod
21:15
Speaker 1: hole about half a mile away, was anybody in there
21:18
Speaker 1: that was empty? That was empty? And then after that
21:21
Speaker 1: I kind of gone, you know, half a mile is
21:24
Speaker 1: just not far enough. So we ended up going out
21:26
Speaker 1: of the tournament zone about three miles and I ended
21:29
Speaker 1: up getting the limits of everything and packed it up
21:32
Speaker 1: for the day. I went home. So, yeah, you got
21:34
Speaker 1: get in the water. One of one of my good
21:36
Speaker 1: friends got similar thing happened to him, and it was
21:40
Speaker 1: it was a little more of a process to get
21:42
Speaker 1: back in the water. I think that the parallels between um,
21:47
Speaker 1: the parallels between hunting and grizzly country and hunting and
21:51
Speaker 1: great white shark country, there's a lot of parallels where
21:54
Speaker 1: it's like it's just not gonna happen, but when it does,
21:58
Speaker 1: you hear about it, and it's just in the back
22:01
Speaker 1: of your head, and there's this sort of like you
22:03
Speaker 1: be a little bit fatalistic about it. And then you
22:06
Speaker 1: also feel like everyone's telling you all the chances of
22:08
Speaker 1: getting attacked by a great white shark, or like you
22:11
Speaker 1: got better chance of getting attacked three times by lightning.
22:15
Speaker 1: But then you're like, but you're in a very select
22:18
Speaker 1: high risk group, and and like archery hunting for elk,
22:24
Speaker 1: you're in a high risk group because of the things
22:26
Speaker 1: you're not doing, like and the other parallel being you
22:31
Speaker 1: have to do everything wrong. You're not making noise, you're
22:35
Speaker 1: making elk calls. You're like slipping around. You're out at dawn,
22:40
Speaker 1: you're out at dusk. You know, you're in the vicinity
22:44
Speaker 1: of elk. Grizzlies like to be in the vicinity of elk,
22:48
Speaker 1: and so in spear fishing, it's like people could be like, oh,
22:50
Speaker 1: you know, beach goers have zero chance to getting hit.
22:52
Speaker 1: But then you're like, you're you're you're going where the
22:55
Speaker 1: fish are. Seals go where the fish are. You're dealing
22:59
Speaker 1: with dead and you're acting like a seal realistically, right
23:02
Speaker 1: going to the sticking your head into a hole and
23:11
Speaker 1: right for the picking. Uh. And this is something that
23:13
Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about in North how is if
23:16
Speaker 1: you we we are starting to push and some of
23:20
Speaker 1: it's just training and some of it's just you know,
23:22
Speaker 1: learning from other mentors, but we are pushing into deeper realms. Right.
23:25
Speaker 1: You know, you talked to someone twenty years ago, very
23:29
Speaker 1: very few, if anyone, was was hunting in sixty seventy
23:32
Speaker 1: ft water. Well, now you know this last Nationals depth,
23:37
Speaker 1: It's just it's putting you off of you know, traditionally
23:39
Speaker 1: the people say points are bad for sharks. There are
23:41
Speaker 1: certain areas are bad for sure. Well, yeah, this is
23:43
Speaker 1: pushing you off those points. You know, a couple of
23:45
Speaker 1: hundred yards plus just like a a place that we
23:49
Speaker 1: scouted for know your Nationals. I mean we were I
23:52
Speaker 1: think this high spot was like half a mile off
23:54
Speaker 1: shore and it dropped off the shot you know it
23:57
Speaker 1: was there was a high spot and maybe fifty ft
23:59
Speaker 1: but we're doing a lot of diving to what did
24:03
Speaker 1: we name that spot? So I think because really when
24:07
Speaker 1: we were scouting for this, it was eight to ft swell,
24:10
Speaker 1: so we were the whole thing we were planning on
24:12
Speaker 1: being offshore. Um. And we were actually with Dennis Hostlers
24:16
Speaker 1: and what five time National Change, seven time National Channel man,
24:20
Speaker 1: he's snuck two more in there. Um. So we're working
24:23
Speaker 1: this and we had to use a live boat because
24:25
Speaker 1: we couldn't anchor up because everything was the swell was
24:28
Speaker 1: was way too far up. So um, yeah, boat means
24:34
Speaker 1: that there's a dude running the boat anchor. Yeah, kind
24:37
Speaker 1: of like we did this morning because the anchor or
24:40
Speaker 1: the this current was running too well. I think we
24:42
Speaker 1: end up diving or dumping Alex off. And then when
24:49
Speaker 1: you guys tell the shark tack story, the way, is
24:51
Speaker 1: this a shark story? What are you guys talking about? Yeah,
24:55
Speaker 1: this is a little side chat between but this is
24:58
Speaker 1: about putting yourself in a situation where you are in
25:02
Speaker 1: the shark zone. Scientifically, about the great white chat. We're
25:08
Speaker 1: half mile offshore on a series of high spots pinnacles
25:13
Speaker 1: with drop off on the outside to two feet, and
25:18
Speaker 1: it's if you were to look left and right parallel
25:21
Speaker 1: with the coastline. There's nothing out there that just open
25:24
Speaker 1: ocean both ways. And that's what people didn't do decades ago.
25:30
Speaker 1: I forgot that's where we're going with this. It happens
25:32
Speaker 1: the spear fisher. We're pushing and there's there's more Great
25:36
Speaker 1: Whites than there were ten years ago. Correct, Yeah, allegedly
25:43
Speaker 1: they've been protected since the about the mid nineties. So
25:45
Speaker 1: there rebounding, rebounding um and we don't worry about it.
25:51
Speaker 1: It is what it is. I think, what was the
25:54
Speaker 1: last time someone in the state got killed by a
25:56
Speaker 1: Great White? That was Randy Fry and I don't remember
26:00
Speaker 1: of the year, but it's probably been fifteen years. That's
26:03
Speaker 1: the difference between this, and that's the difference between this
26:05
Speaker 1: and our stuff, because every year someone gets dusted off
26:08
Speaker 1: by grizzly couple, a couple of people year year. I
26:12
Speaker 1: can't speak to Great Whites taking people another fashion, right,
26:16
Speaker 1: swimmers or surfers or anything, but people in your community,
26:19
Speaker 1: people in our community. The last one that was fatal
26:21
Speaker 1: was Randy Fry. I think shark attack fatalities in general
26:27
Speaker 1: are extremely low because there's a difference between an attack
26:32
Speaker 1: for food and and a bite for curiosity and great
26:36
Speaker 1: white for defense. I mean, yeah, that's a big one.
26:39
Speaker 1: Great Whites they nibble for curiosity. Yeah, they do. Uh
26:43
Speaker 1: what's called a test bite. It's a it's it was
26:48
Speaker 1: very gentle. It's a very gentle hit you at twenty
26:52
Speaker 1: test bite and that's enough for human flesh two be
26:59
Speaker 1: a killer. So that means what to you? Nothing? I mean,
27:06
Speaker 1: what can you do about it. I've got medical kid
27:08
Speaker 1: on the boat, or always have a medical kid in
27:10
Speaker 1: the kayak, that kid on the boat. Most of the
27:13
Speaker 1: people I dive with could handle something like that if
27:18
Speaker 1: it came down to it. But Again, if you're going
27:22
Speaker 1: to think about it and it defines your day, you're
27:25
Speaker 1: never going to get in the water. Yeah. I was
27:27
Speaker 1: surprised that the degree to which I wasn't thinking about
27:30
Speaker 1: it because you guys are probably passed this. But when
27:33
Speaker 1: you're in those kelp forests, you know, I made the mistake.
27:35
Speaker 1: Recently watched and they had a great white to had
27:37
Speaker 1: a camera on it and the the Kelp forest, which
27:43
Speaker 1: is some cool footage. Man, water right, this cruise is
27:47
Speaker 1: just working your way through the Kelp forest. Man, it
27:50
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Um. But it's like it's it's kind of
27:56
Speaker 1: it's just spooky in there, especially in the waning light
28:00
Speaker 1: when we were out last night when the sun was
28:02
Speaker 1: going down. That's called the magic hour. Oh, and it's
28:05
Speaker 1: just like a spooky atmosphere. It's so funny because you're
28:07
Speaker 1: like in spook land with your head down in the
28:11
Speaker 1: water and it seems like you're the only person on
28:15
Speaker 1: the planet and there's like shadows and it's dark and
28:18
Speaker 1: it's a kelp forest and there's little canyons quiet, and
28:21
Speaker 1: then you lift your head up and look, it's like
28:23
Speaker 1: sunny California. Man. It's like people out like sailboats and
28:27
Speaker 1: ship Then you put your head back there like wow,
28:28
Speaker 1: it's always scary, and I'm like, oh, I'm in California.
28:32
Speaker 1: It's always scary. Back and forth. It's so intimate with
28:36
Speaker 1: the And then that when you found that baitball at
28:41
Speaker 1: dusk going out there and those rays, the eagle rays
28:46
Speaker 1: cruising around you guys saw ego rays. Actually that's sorry
28:51
Speaker 1: bat rays. But it's like, if those aren't ghosts of
28:56
Speaker 1: of evil people, I don't know what they are. They're
29:01
Speaker 1: evil and you die come back as bray at dusk
29:07
Speaker 1: we have that looks like that like a joker smile.
29:12
Speaker 1: I liked him, but I'm like, how that's evil personified.
29:17
Speaker 1: That's like a ghost coming through the water. Yeah. I
29:20
Speaker 1: got in front of that wall, right, we have that
29:22
Speaker 1: big wall of Blacksmith that we're defining where the current
29:27
Speaker 1: was starting to pick back up, and we were sitting
29:29
Speaker 1: in front of that. I made a dive, look back
29:32
Speaker 1: at the bait wall, looked around, looked up, and two
29:36
Speaker 1: coming right over the top, just outlined silhouette right over
29:41
Speaker 1: the top, and they just they moved through the water
29:44
Speaker 1: so smooth. It's just it's insane. They're just haunting the ocean.
29:48
Speaker 1: They're like ghosts sent to haunt the ocean with spookiness,
29:52
Speaker 1: and they like the flashers. Oh they're spooky. Does anybody
29:55
Speaker 1: eat them? Who eats a ray in the ocean? Some
29:59
Speaker 1: people like? Not people like what. Some people actually take
30:03
Speaker 1: like a cookie cutter and we'll punch. No, I've never done.
30:07
Speaker 1: I've cleaned some. I don't know if they have a
30:09
Speaker 1: natural predator. The tastes like scallops. Well, I mean hammer
30:12
Speaker 1: heads specialized in him. You don't have those right here, right,
30:14
Speaker 1: don't have this here? I thought j'ven all a great
30:17
Speaker 1: white sharks targeted them, But those might be sting rays,
30:20
Speaker 1: not bad race. I don't know. So early on, I
30:23
Speaker 1: uh took a couple of leopard sharks, which are actually
30:27
Speaker 1: really good eating with spear, And then Alex was out
30:30
Speaker 1: on a trip with me and I'm like, man, you
30:32
Speaker 1: know they're right up in the little rocks, you know,
30:34
Speaker 1: ten feet of water. Their cruise around in the in
30:36
Speaker 1: the stuff. And he's like nope. I'm like, why not, man,
30:39
Speaker 1: it's it's good table fair. You should get these. He's like, nope,
30:42
Speaker 1: I've made my I've made a deal with the sharks.
30:44
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna screw them. They're not gonna screw with me.
30:47
Speaker 1: And he's never taken one, but he just said, nope,
30:50
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna screw with them. Yeah. It's been a
30:53
Speaker 1: good bargain so far. And I've been in some good
30:55
Speaker 1: sharky waters, same with Greg. Been in some big time
30:59
Speaker 1: sharky waters. But you guys lose your catches two sharks occasionally.
31:03
Speaker 1: How's that play out? Fast? Fast, and violent? Depends on
31:07
Speaker 1: what type of shark it is. Like, give me a
31:09
Speaker 1: scenario when you lose your catch too shark. By the
31:14
Speaker 1: time you started that sentence, too, now your catch is gone. Yeah. Yeah,
31:18
Speaker 1: it's that fast. And it depends on how many are around,
31:21
Speaker 1: you know, if it if it's one, sometimes you can
31:23
Speaker 1: kind of fend them off of your catch, but if
31:25
Speaker 1: it's more than one, it just can become like a
31:29
Speaker 1: true freeding Fanzy. I was offshore of Texas and I
31:32
Speaker 1: shot a really big amberjack and there's a lot of
31:35
Speaker 1: sharks around. And once that, did you already know the
31:37
Speaker 1: sharks were around? Yeah, we're targing. Well. I mean, you
31:40
Speaker 1: get comfortable with sharks, you start being able to, you know,
31:43
Speaker 1: learn their body language, like any animal. You know, they
31:45
Speaker 1: start putting their pectoral fins down, humping their back, swimming
31:48
Speaker 1: a little more erratically. It's you start getting a good
31:51
Speaker 1: idea of when it's time to leave. Um, something like
31:54
Speaker 1: a tiger shark that's a little more calculated. They slink
31:57
Speaker 1: in and out of his ability. So sometimes you just
31:59
Speaker 1: get in there's a big tiger sharking, and it's just
32:01
Speaker 1: let's move. But um, but you don't like to be
32:04
Speaker 1: in the vicinity of a tiger shark. Yeah, so I
32:06
Speaker 1: was let's change a whole other stuff. Like I was
32:08
Speaker 1: on a pinnacle out of South Africa and there was
32:11
Speaker 1: four different types of shark on there, and um, there's
32:15
Speaker 1: but there's a pretty big tiger shark. And you know,
32:18
Speaker 1: most of the sharks you can just you watch them,
32:20
Speaker 1: you know, okay, that one's but this tiger shark would
32:22
Speaker 1: come up, fade out of his ability. Three minutes later
32:25
Speaker 1: he'll be right behind you and within six ft you. Yeah. Yeah,
32:29
Speaker 1: they're just very very stealthy calculated sharks. Um bulls. Bulls
32:35
Speaker 1: are just super aggressive. I mean, there's there's a lot
32:38
Speaker 1: of aggressive sharks, but yeah, there's just a few. They're
32:40
Speaker 1: a little a little more of a handful. Big is
32:42
Speaker 1: the is the tiger shark to uh fot somewhere in
32:47
Speaker 1: there was a pretty healthy when they get bigger than that,
32:49
Speaker 1: But that's big enough to Like I said, they're very stealthy.
32:52
Speaker 1: So yes, you kind of kind of decide if you
32:56
Speaker 1: want to deal with them or not. That particular pinnacle,
32:58
Speaker 1: I made the bad, bad move. I shot a kuta
33:02
Speaker 1: um and it was just yeah, I actually landed the fish.
33:06
Speaker 1: I got the fish on the boat, but I was
33:08
Speaker 1: just I threw the fish on the boat and jumped
33:10
Speaker 1: in the boat right away, and it was just like,
33:12
Speaker 1: oh God. And then I ended up nothing happened. I mean,
33:15
Speaker 1: I had a couple of people in the water kind
33:17
Speaker 1: of helping me out, but I probably shouldn't have pulled
33:19
Speaker 1: the trigger in that circumstance. But um, you learn to
33:22
Speaker 1: deal with them. It's just there there, just like anything.
33:25
Speaker 1: So when they take your catch, they'll come right up
33:27
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, I mean there there's times where you
33:30
Speaker 1: do not defend your catch. You just like that when
33:32
Speaker 1: I was talking about Texas and that was one of
33:34
Speaker 1: those things I shot, you know, around a dred pound
33:37
Speaker 1: class amberjack. We're actually targeting wahoo and it's in a
33:41
Speaker 1: wintertime off of Texas and there's just a lot of
33:44
Speaker 1: sharks in there. They're very aggressive in it. So I
33:47
Speaker 1: shot a big amberjack. It was big enough where I
33:50
Speaker 1: thought I stoned it. I didn't, and it just did
33:51
Speaker 1: one or two tail twitches and sank under the mark.
33:54
Speaker 1: And once that happened, it was just amberjack handoff. It
33:58
Speaker 1: was just shark to shark to shark. Like five minutes
34:00
Speaker 1: was my float being dragged around by the sharks. Yeah,
34:02
Speaker 1: that's the worst. That's the worst part. The fish so wet,
34:06
Speaker 1: your fish is gone. We shoot cable in this situation,
34:11
Speaker 1: like a like a five pound multi strand cable, and
34:16
Speaker 1: when it's no big deal, they take your fish. But
34:19
Speaker 1: in the meantime that cable gets in one of the
34:22
Speaker 1: shark's mouse because as they just devour, they're running everywhere
34:27
Speaker 1: and now you're a gear is just going and that
34:30
Speaker 1: it can take twenty minutes to get your gear back
34:33
Speaker 1: and you all you want to do is fish. So
34:36
Speaker 1: my floats going that way. I've got to wait for
34:38
Speaker 1: the boat. My buddies laughing at me, and my float
34:41
Speaker 1: is just running off because the shark is now panicking.
34:44
Speaker 1: It was eating the frenzies over and now it's panicking
34:47
Speaker 1: because it's caught up in the cable or the cable
34:49
Speaker 1: in its mouth. They eventually spit it out, but that
34:52
Speaker 1: could be a mile a mile and a half later, Like,
34:56
Speaker 1: come on, man, just take the fish. Let me have
34:59
Speaker 1: my gear back so I can get back in the boat,
35:01
Speaker 1: get back up current, and I can get my own fish. Um, Gregg,
35:06
Speaker 1: you said it's on interesting to me yesterday where you
35:08
Speaker 1: talked about, uh that free diving or spear fishing. I
35:16
Speaker 1: can't remember what you were saying. Reveals all the things
35:19
Speaker 1: that are wrong with your body. Absolutely, absolutely, like all
35:23
Speaker 1: your problems on the body check. Just go free diving
35:26
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, that hurts and that doesn't feel good,
35:28
Speaker 1: and I drink too much coffee and you're like heart problems,
35:32
Speaker 1: breath problems, long issues. It's very tax everything. And that's
35:38
Speaker 1: why as you kind of go through the sport, you
35:41
Speaker 1: kind of you do this isn't this trip wasn't the
35:43
Speaker 1: best example. But um, when you start pushing, you know,
35:47
Speaker 1: if you're going to do a serious hardcore dive, you
35:50
Speaker 1: tailor your you tailor your diet to that trip. Something.
35:55
Speaker 1: If I'm doing a lot of deep diving. I will
35:57
Speaker 1: basically hydrate in the morning, maybe a little oatmeal, do
36:02
Speaker 1: a lot of stretching, and I won't eat till dinner.
36:04
Speaker 1: I might have a light, light, light snack, but it's
36:06
Speaker 1: just hydration all day. Um. And that's that's to defend from,
36:11
Speaker 1: you know, acid reflux. That's you know, it's just as
36:14
Speaker 1: far as changing metabolism, your stomach having to digest everything.
36:16
Speaker 1: It's just it reveals kind of everything funky or how
36:21
Speaker 1: your body reacts to different things. And I can drink
36:23
Speaker 1: coffee all day long. I go have two cups in
36:26
Speaker 1: the morning and go free diving. I will have the
36:28
Speaker 1: worst acid reflex ever. That's two things I noticed is
36:31
Speaker 1: we I had a cup of coffee one morning, we
36:32
Speaker 1: go out, and the reflex, as you explained, is because
36:36
Speaker 1: you're you're spending all your time upside down because you
36:38
Speaker 1: dive head first, and it's really it's hard to dive
36:42
Speaker 1: at an angle. Well, you shouldn't. Generally you should not
36:46
Speaker 1: go and you can if you if you like. No,
36:48
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tuck under this kelp and dive down an
36:50
Speaker 1: angle into the reef. That's fine, But generally, depending on
36:52
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You want to try to go straight up,
36:54
Speaker 1: so you're supposed to do that. I started, I started
36:57
Speaker 1: to think it was just easier to go straight up
36:59
Speaker 1: and down. I mean it just when. Again, it depends
37:01
Speaker 1: on what you're doing. If you're if you have a
37:03
Speaker 1: link ond hole or you know a reef to check
37:05
Speaker 1: at eight ft, you don't want to go to an
37:06
Speaker 1: angle because you're gonna add how many feet? It's the
37:09
Speaker 1: most efficient way down. But the thing I noticed, and
37:13
Speaker 1: when you're gearing up to go down, um, it's like
37:16
Speaker 1: a there's a relaxation, calming of your heart and a
37:19
Speaker 1: breathing sequence. You go through. One cup of coffee. I
37:25
Speaker 1: was okay, and I was having some acid reflux. I'm
37:29
Speaker 1: upside down. All your ship from your stomach is coming
37:31
Speaker 1: up into your throat. A second cup of coffee, and
37:34
Speaker 1: I like a second cup of coffee. I realized that
37:37
Speaker 1: I could because you're laying there and you're so focused
37:39
Speaker 1: on your heart. I could feel the second cup of coffee. Yeah,
37:44
Speaker 1: I'll down. Man. I was gonna tell you not to
37:48
Speaker 1: drink the coffee. But I thought, slowly, like that second cup,
37:54
Speaker 1: I actually which I was so aware of it, so
37:59
Speaker 1: aware of it in the terms of how my heart
38:01
Speaker 1: was like just to try and to like call my
38:04
Speaker 1: breath and get my heart down. And I think that's
38:06
Speaker 1: one of the reasons in free diving you kind of
38:08
Speaker 1: start learning more about your bodies because you're it's it's
38:11
Speaker 1: like a type of yoga, right, You're focused on your breathing,
38:14
Speaker 1: you feel everything, You're kind of and a whole different
38:17
Speaker 1: mindset and um, and you're kind of shut off really right,
38:21
Speaker 1: You're trying to shut your mind off and slow your
38:23
Speaker 1: body down. And that's kind of where you start learning
38:26
Speaker 1: a little bit more of what works and what doesn't,
38:28
Speaker 1: because you know something like acid reflex, which if you're
38:30
Speaker 1: just running around throughout you might just burp up some
38:32
Speaker 1: stuff and go about your day. Where this is I
38:34
Speaker 1: mean it is, oh yeah, into your snorkel. Yeah that's
38:37
Speaker 1: a drag, man, if you don't lose it. Yeah, well yeah,
38:40
Speaker 1: and then I then I outright then I outrighte bombited
38:44
Speaker 1: like I'm talking full barrel, full barrel, Like dude, drank
38:49
Speaker 1: too much alcohol, having a bad flu. It wasn't pretty
38:54
Speaker 1: vomiting and it was coffee color. Did you notice that?
38:57
Speaker 1: And then I slipped right in and took fish right
38:59
Speaker 1: out from under off. It was nice. No, man, I
39:03
Speaker 1: had some full on vomits because I was drinking saltwater
39:06
Speaker 1: and I was probably a little bit seasick, which I
39:07
Speaker 1: didn't realize happened when you're riding in the waves, but
39:10
Speaker 1: mostly drinking salt water, drinking too much coffee, probably dehydrated,
39:14
Speaker 1: puking all that junk off to it is miserable. And
39:17
Speaker 1: that's one thing hard. You know, when you're traveling a lot,
39:19
Speaker 1: spear fishing your first day or two a lot of
39:21
Speaker 1: times can be a breaking per because you're traveling, you're
39:23
Speaker 1: a little off, you're generally dehydrated, you're tired. It's just
39:26
Speaker 1: a lot of things all at once. But yeah, I
39:31
Speaker 1: feel that it's a kind of fitness that you'd get
39:33
Speaker 1: that would be applicable to a lot of other stuff.
39:35
Speaker 1: Like there's some fitness that doesn't really matter, Like it matters.
39:38
Speaker 1: It's cool, you know if you get like your you
39:41
Speaker 1: do enough weights for your neck gets all thick and
39:43
Speaker 1: ask some people think that's cool, right, but like it
39:46
Speaker 1: doesn't translate. But I feel like spear fishing fitness. Yes, uh,
39:54
Speaker 1: why you why you give me the labban smirk because
39:57
Speaker 1: I want to hear there. They say, yes, yeah, we know,
40:01
Speaker 1: we know a lot about fit, but it's different. It's
40:03
Speaker 1: not aerobic, it's anaerobic. What do you mean. Yeah, when
40:09
Speaker 1: we're running, we're aerobic. It doesn't translate to like it doesn't.
40:16
Speaker 1: It's not broadly applicable that fitness. It helps if you're
40:20
Speaker 1: a good aerobic uh fitness, it goes along long. That's
40:24
Speaker 1: a good point, man, you're not. The goal is to
40:27
Speaker 1: not get all high, right, So the physical strength and
40:31
Speaker 1: your aerobic strength allows you to recover faster and essentially
40:36
Speaker 1: stay in the water longer. And the aerobic strength helps
40:41
Speaker 1: your heartbeat because your heartbeat goes through massive changes in
40:44
Speaker 1: the dives. The moment you hold your breath, your heartbeet
40:47
Speaker 1: goes down, you make your dive, your a million reflux
40:50
Speaker 1: kicks in. Your heartbeat goes down further. As you turn
40:54
Speaker 1: to come back up and you hit the surface. Your
40:58
Speaker 1: that first breath, your heartbeats pikes. For example, you might
41:02
Speaker 1: start your dive at typical Let's just take you for example,
41:08
Speaker 1: you probably started at nine beats per minute. I have
41:11
Speaker 1: no idea, that's your guest, yeahs per minute, Greg, and
41:17
Speaker 1: I might be able to get down to about seventy
41:20
Speaker 1: five because we're moving a lot right in the water.
41:24
Speaker 1: You're probably a ninety. You went down, you probably dropped
41:27
Speaker 1: from ninety to the high seventies maybe low seventies through
41:36
Speaker 1: your first couple of days here, which is pretty significant.
41:40
Speaker 1: When you hit the surface that first breath, your heart
41:42
Speaker 1: was probably back to five within seconds, cycling, cycling new air,
41:49
Speaker 1: cycling out nitrogen, and then recover. Greg he might start
41:57
Speaker 1: a dive at seventy five and might get down into
42:04
Speaker 1: the high thirties, low forties because of training. A million
42:09
Speaker 1: reflects and he hits the surface, his heart read will
42:12
Speaker 1: will spike, cycle through, come back down. So you're aerobic
42:21
Speaker 1: strength's huge for that right, tons of pressure on your
42:24
Speaker 1: heart and your lungs and your vascular system. Yeah, you know, okay.
42:32
Speaker 1: Kind of what I meant to was, um, I had
42:38
Speaker 1: an observation recent Let me backup. I had observation, we
42:40
Speaker 1: see where No, I'll get there, I'll get there. I've
42:44
Speaker 1: had a lot of knee problems, and it got worse
42:48
Speaker 1: and worse in my head because I thought I needed
42:50
Speaker 1: a knee surgery. So then all I could think about
42:53
Speaker 1: was how bad my knee hurt. But then I go
42:56
Speaker 1: to an rithopedic doctor. He does his old magic, tells me,
43:01
Speaker 1: in fact, I don't need a knee surgery. My knees
43:03
Speaker 1: look fine. I probably have like a some band that
43:08
Speaker 1: runs from your hip. Yeah, He's like, you know, you
43:11
Speaker 1: can do some pt but that's it's tugging on there
43:13
Speaker 1: and that's why the pain drifts around. And you could
43:15
Speaker 1: do some stuff and it's tight. And then all of
43:18
Speaker 1: a sudden, about two days later, my knee problems gone.
43:23
Speaker 1: I said, to the honest man, the membrane that separates
43:28
Speaker 1: my brain from my body is not very thick. And
43:33
Speaker 1: Yanna said, there is no membrane separating your brain from
43:37
Speaker 1: your body. So when I mentioned the fitness level, I
43:42
Speaker 1: think one of the things I'm thinking about is the
43:45
Speaker 1: level of that would be applicable to other things in life,
43:47
Speaker 1: Like hunting is the level of uh. There's a high
43:55
Speaker 1: level of GUR, like GRR. There's a high level of girl,
44:00
Speaker 1: a high level of focus, and a high level of
44:05
Speaker 1: um willingness to subject oneself to something that some part
44:09
Speaker 1: of your body is thinking, let's just stop doing this
44:11
Speaker 1: and go home, Like it's so much easier to not
44:18
Speaker 1: go spear fishing. It just it's easier to stay on
44:22
Speaker 1: the boat and catch ocean white fish, chunks, the squid,
44:25
Speaker 1: the honest face. The whole first day was looked like that,
44:28
Speaker 1: just like why in the world would you put? Why
44:31
Speaker 1: in the world subject yourself to this? Because when it clicks,
44:35
Speaker 1: it clicks, and it's really good. But I mean the
44:37
Speaker 1: ability to like do that's thing. And and watching you
44:40
Speaker 1: guys the first day we got in so to get
44:44
Speaker 1: us up to speed, we went out on't you guys
44:47
Speaker 1: explain that what we did to practice the line explain
44:51
Speaker 1: the line grabbing. Uh, before you explain the line grab
44:55
Speaker 1: and I'll say that right away. When you guys got
44:57
Speaker 1: in the water, I just noticed that when you guys
45:00
Speaker 1: are you guys are calm and methodical on land. Yeah,
45:05
Speaker 1: which maybe you're like very organized, very methodical. I've never
45:10
Speaker 1: been called organized. Ties your stuff is organized. You have
45:14
Speaker 1: organized brains. Okay, you're like very you're purposeful, you're you're
45:20
Speaker 1: you're you're pragmatic. Um, you guys seem like like highly
45:25
Speaker 1: capable at a lot of stuff, right right, thank you
45:31
Speaker 1: Like you're not like you for instance, you don't drink alcohol, right,
45:35
Speaker 1: which is like a thing you've decided. That's just like
45:39
Speaker 1: you made a thing, like was there to gain from it,
45:41
Speaker 1: was there to lose from it? Like you run calcular,
45:42
Speaker 1: like you're calculating in your head, like your life, and
45:46
Speaker 1: you seem like that and you get in the water
45:48
Speaker 1: and it becomes more amplified. You guys are so like
45:51
Speaker 1: calm and slow and deliberate and purposeful. Even when you
45:56
Speaker 1: go to put your hand to your nose to plug it,
45:58
Speaker 1: it's like you've done that ten thousand times and you
46:02
Speaker 1: thought about how one pinches once. Everything just seems so
46:09
Speaker 1: like I do it this way, and it's because it
46:12
Speaker 1: works good now, it's what it feels like. It's just
46:17
Speaker 1: like I get the one. I'm like, right, that's my
46:21
Speaker 1: like in my head, it's I'm going. You guys are going.
46:25
Speaker 1: It's like in the water. Yeah, I feel like the
46:29
Speaker 1: hump For me, it was three days. The first day
46:32
Speaker 1: was a lot of that, Yeah, there's too much thrashing
46:39
Speaker 1: going around, and then by today I'm just like, yeah,
46:42
Speaker 1: just chill, you're in the water. We drove up on
46:45
Speaker 1: your link perfectly flat, relaxed. He'd return, He'd return to
46:49
Speaker 1: the womb man. If you kick your fins, like if
46:53
Speaker 1: you make like a ninety instead of leaving your feet
46:57
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know what that position is, but
47:00
Speaker 1: your toes down below your ankles. That seemed to drag
47:03
Speaker 1: my feet down, and as soon as I would kick
47:05
Speaker 1: my like with my ankle with my ankles, that would
47:08
Speaker 1: make my feet come up right up high. Yeah. It's
47:11
Speaker 1: a lot of its body position kind of figuring out
47:13
Speaker 1: where how to sit and what's comfortable. You guys said
47:15
Speaker 1: you like to lay like a like a log drifting
47:18
Speaker 1: in the ocean. Hopefully when you're looking down. Yeah, um, yeah,
47:24
Speaker 1: I want you to explain the hand pulling down thing.
47:26
Speaker 1: But to get to another point about the calmness is
47:28
Speaker 1: I learned how to look at you and know when
47:30
Speaker 1: you were going to dive because you look like a
47:35
Speaker 1: like a dead seal. Yeah, Like your arms you're kind
47:39
Speaker 1: of like you look like a like a somewhat like
47:41
Speaker 1: a passing glance. So I'd be like, oh, there's a
47:43
Speaker 1: drowned person. Oh yeah, just sort of like floating in
47:46
Speaker 1: the ocean. Your arms that kind of go down, and
47:48
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, Greg's gonna dive, and you just
47:51
Speaker 1: look like you're like totally like giving yourself to the sea. Yeah,
47:55
Speaker 1: I mean that's to get your heart rate right. But
47:57
Speaker 1: then if I got close to you that I could
47:59
Speaker 1: hear the weird breathing like the cleansing breast, but the
48:02
Speaker 1: cleansing breast, yeah, and then I can start to listen
48:05
Speaker 1: for that. But yeah, you first just looked like it
48:07
Speaker 1: like you were dead but going or whatever you're doing
48:11
Speaker 1: hopefully slower than that blowing a sailboat, baby paper sailboat
48:21
Speaker 1: without making the water ripple. Yeah, But then there's those
48:27
Speaker 1: little somewhat hyper breaths he does. He has a cleansing
48:32
Speaker 1: breath routine. I don't do that. And the thing that you, guys,
48:35
Speaker 1: something about breathing that really stuck in my head is
48:38
Speaker 1: when you take your last breath that you're filling like
48:42
Speaker 1: three stages. Yeah, you're like filling your balls with air, imagine,
48:46
Speaker 1: and then the stomach and then you top it off
48:51
Speaker 1: at the tippy top of your chest to be chopping
48:54
Speaker 1: your shoulders back. It's a great way to It's like
48:57
Speaker 1: you just imagine, just like this empty can evity filling
49:00
Speaker 1: from the bottom up with air. I went up liking
49:03
Speaker 1: that quite a bit. I know when I do it right,
49:06
Speaker 1: there's no resistance. My stomach just floats up. My chest
49:12
Speaker 1: opens up right, lower thoracic, upper thoracic. Uh. Little scapulic
49:19
Speaker 1: Rotation's word. I like scapulic rotation. And if you could
49:27
Speaker 1: see it, you'd really understand it. And it comes up
49:31
Speaker 1: and then my neck feels like it gets a little
49:34
Speaker 1: And when right when I'm pulling that snorkele out, my
49:38
Speaker 1: cheeks just puff and it's just one sack. And when
49:43
Speaker 1: I make that dive and I know, oh yeah, I
49:46
Speaker 1: clear hands free. Did you notice that? And you get
49:50
Speaker 1: a little bit of that now? And then I do
49:52
Speaker 1: I mix it up? Yeah, tell the name of the
49:55
Speaker 1: two ways? Clear friends A line valsalva yea, I've been friends.
49:59
Speaker 1: I think you're a friends. Now your friends friends, I'm
50:01
Speaker 1: hardcore friends. Then man, so yeah, but you do you're
50:05
Speaker 1: a little clear at the surface. You start at the
50:07
Speaker 1: top and never stop clear clear clear. You don't wait
50:13
Speaker 1: till your like years are going to blow up, and
50:16
Speaker 1: then decide to clear. Explain how we started out our
50:20
Speaker 1: trip started off the trip the long ass boat ride,
50:23
Speaker 1: long boat ride. Drank a bunch of coffee. What you're
50:26
Speaker 1: not supposed to do? You had a big breakfast and
50:28
Speaker 1: large fishing boat, and a large fishing might have passing
50:31
Speaker 1: glance resembly yacht. Maybe we might have dabbled in the
50:34
Speaker 1: untrained I might look like a yeah, I think the
50:37
Speaker 1: definition is thirty nine ft. Anything over could be classified
50:41
Speaker 1: as a yacht. Just a bunch of dudes. Uh. So
50:45
Speaker 1: we put a line out for you, and this is
50:48
Speaker 1: not typical of a spear fishing trip, um, but it's
50:53
Speaker 1: a great way to warm up. It's not typical, No,
50:56
Speaker 1: I mean your average you're teaching, you're teaching your mentor
50:59
Speaker 1: there you go, oh um, And sometimes we will if
51:02
Speaker 1: you're if you're planning on doing deep diving on your
51:04
Speaker 1: spear fishing trip, you might spend ten minutes throwing the
51:07
Speaker 1: line out and doing some pulldowns. But for you guys,
51:10
Speaker 1: we set up a buoy at what was it thirty
51:13
Speaker 1: two ft? I think it was the bottom somewhere around there, um,
51:16
Speaker 1: which the deepest what you've ever been as what fifteen ish?
51:20
Speaker 1: I mean in my head, I'd be shocked to hear
51:22
Speaker 1: that I dove, because, like I said, in the lake
51:25
Speaker 1: where I grew up, the deepest place in that lake
51:27
Speaker 1: was twenty three ft. And I don't know that it
51:30
Speaker 1: was the deepest hole we went, which is done by
51:31
Speaker 1: buckskin bend. But you were now and then dived down
51:35
Speaker 1: pass the drop off and stick your hand and experienced
51:38
Speaker 1: how cold the muck was on the bottom of the lake.
51:40
Speaker 1: But no, I hadn't. I had definitely not dove board.
51:44
Speaker 1: So we set the line it, you know, basically one atmosphere,
51:48
Speaker 1: probably eighteen feet maybe it was the word if I
51:52
Speaker 1: really was going for it. Yeah, And and we put
51:55
Speaker 1: the put the wait at about thirty three ft about
51:59
Speaker 1: an atmosphere. And the big thing with that is that's
52:02
Speaker 1: where you experience your biggest lung compression. So it becomes
52:05
Speaker 1: at about that point, that's the biggest part where you're
52:09
Speaker 1: equalizing will become harder. Um. So basically set up a
52:13
Speaker 1: booye with a line going down to about thirty three
52:15
Speaker 1: ft and what you do a bunch of weight, a
52:18
Speaker 1: bunch of weight on the bottom, and you need at
52:19
Speaker 1: least twenty pounds. You should have twenty pounds that are
52:21
Speaker 1: a little bit more pounds, and the boys just drifting
52:24
Speaker 1: with the weight on it drifting. We we tied it
52:26
Speaker 1: off to the boat because there was a slight current,
52:28
Speaker 1: so it doesn't float off. I mean, it doesn't need
52:30
Speaker 1: to hit doesn't need to hit the bottom. You can
52:31
Speaker 1: just hang the weight off. Generally, yeah, you generally you
52:34
Speaker 1: don't want it on the bottom. Um, you want a
52:36
Speaker 1: little off the bottom. And you start by not even kicking.
52:40
Speaker 1: And some people actually not even wear the fins at
52:42
Speaker 1: this point. They'll just jump in, no fins um and
52:45
Speaker 1: slowly start, you know, doing your breathing process. Getting water
52:49
Speaker 1: on your face kicks in that mammalian dive reflex, slows
52:52
Speaker 1: everything down, and you start pulling down and you start
52:56
Speaker 1: equalizing basically every other poll. Right, so you're pulling clear,
53:00
Speaker 1: pull clear, like every time your hand comes off clear. Yeah,
53:04
Speaker 1: basically clearing anyr way down. And that basically one for
53:06
Speaker 1: you guys. A big thing was um we had we
53:09
Speaker 1: had talked about clearing with the friends method before, but
53:13
Speaker 1: that was to try to see how you guys were
53:15
Speaker 1: clearing and to do it inverted. Yeah. Right, you can
53:19
Speaker 1: walk around all day upright. Yeah. Well yeah, I mean, Ben,
53:23
Speaker 1: we've been friends and all the time in the office
53:25
Speaker 1: and everything, we're friends friends friends, but we weren't friends
53:29
Speaker 1: and we were hanging each other by the ankles and
53:32
Speaker 1: friends like that. Yeah, upside down and add pressure. Body
53:36
Speaker 1: starts to do a couple of different things. Check me
53:38
Speaker 1: if I want to walk the listeners through what I'm
53:40
Speaker 1: talking about, and check me if I want to mess up. Uh.
53:44
Speaker 1: To clear property while spear fishing, you need to learn
53:48
Speaker 1: how to pop your ears by not without moving your diaphragm.
53:57
Speaker 1: That's that's correct. I mean, what do you mean He's correct?
54:01
Speaker 1: Absolutely true, it is. But there's even if you go
54:04
Speaker 1: further into the into the like competition world, there's even
54:07
Speaker 1: debate about how efficient the friends technique is. But like
54:10
Speaker 1: for your everyday recreational person, friendz will is basically okay,
54:15
Speaker 1: just let me just do it again, Like, don't don't
54:17
Speaker 1: parse hairs. You know, parsing hair is picture taking the
54:20
Speaker 1: hairs and slicing the hair four times. All right, you
54:27
Speaker 1: do it? You tell people. Okay, So what you don't
54:29
Speaker 1: want to do or what you advised me to try
54:34
Speaker 1: on a conference call is the other? Is this another
54:36
Speaker 1: mentors the mentor moment. This is the fourth problem I've
54:40
Speaker 1: had my mentor. Now he's backing out on things he
54:44
Speaker 1: explained to me because he's imagining his spearfishing buddies doing that. Yeah,
54:50
Speaker 1: but well yeah, that's only part of the story. As
54:55
Speaker 1: a listener, you nailed it, okay, So picture that you,
55:00
Speaker 1: the listener, take a moment, grab pitch your nose, and
55:05
Speaker 1: just blow with all your might into your ears. Pop lately,
55:08
Speaker 1: blow blow lightly to your ears. Pop, Why you give
55:11
Speaker 1: me the lavian smirking. It's just watch you do this? Okay,
55:15
Speaker 1: And you got that cute voice calling you plug your nose.
55:18
Speaker 1: Imagine that if you're doing the friends wal technique. Correct,
55:24
Speaker 1: you are doing with your throat what you do when
55:28
Speaker 1: gurgling mouthwash, you're shutting off. You are isolating with your
55:33
Speaker 1: epiglottis your lungs. Yes. Yeah, there's a horrible YouTube video
55:37
Speaker 1: that Greg loves that explains I don't think I loved it.
55:44
Speaker 1: It will explain in depth what's going. Greg loves the
55:47
Speaker 1: video and loves watching the person does a good job
55:50
Speaker 1: explaining what it is. So I didn't think, so I
55:53
Speaker 1: didn't learn, I didn't understand it. So I had a
55:54
Speaker 1: conference called Greg, thank you yet plug for your dive shop.
55:59
Speaker 1: So you so you're gardening mouthwash? So most people struggle
56:06
Speaker 1: with being able to know what their soft palet is
56:10
Speaker 1: and how to isolate their EPI glasses, and for me,
56:14
Speaker 1: the simplest way to explain is that you know, you know,
56:17
Speaker 1: if you are gurgling mouth wash, you are controlling epiglass. Right,
56:21
Speaker 1: You're basically shutting everything off. If you weren't, you either
56:24
Speaker 1: choke on it or go into your stomach. Right, So
56:26
Speaker 1: it's basically shutting everything off. And that way you can
56:29
Speaker 1: use your basically um EPI glass and you're you know,
56:33
Speaker 1: you're upper respiratory system to clear your ears. Yeah, if
56:37
Speaker 1: you will, the listener can take their tongue, explore the
56:42
Speaker 1: roof of their mouth and if you go where you
56:45
Speaker 1: put a diaphragm, call, that's your hard palet. Go back
56:48
Speaker 1: and there's a little soft area. Why do you give
56:50
Speaker 1: me the smirk again? I'm right now, I'm working my tongue.
56:57
Speaker 1: Bring your tongue back and there's a soft spot back there.
57:01
Speaker 1: If you are doing the Frinzal clearing method, you close
57:06
Speaker 1: your gargling deal, take your tongue and you're kind of
57:11
Speaker 1: driving your tongue up into the soft pallet and creating
57:15
Speaker 1: a little that that's like the feeling that I had
57:19
Speaker 1: and like you're like it's basically air pop in your
57:24
Speaker 1: ears and you're not doing anything with your chest. No,
57:27
Speaker 1: and that that's the big thing is you're basically you
57:29
Speaker 1: want your soft palate, which is if you put your
57:31
Speaker 1: tongue even further back, there's that soft part and that's
57:34
Speaker 1: your soft pellet, and you want that actually in a
57:36
Speaker 1: neutral position. So if you do an example of if
57:39
Speaker 1: you can't isolate your soft palets, if you're doing a
57:42
Speaker 1: nettie pot um, if you can't kind of separate a
57:45
Speaker 1: thing out that netti pottle, either the water will either
57:47
Speaker 1: go into your mouth or go down your throat. If
57:50
Speaker 1: you can isolate your soft palette, it will go in
57:52
Speaker 1: one nostril out the other one. So it's it's learning
57:55
Speaker 1: all the different parts of your your neck, your throat,
57:59
Speaker 1: your soft out, your sinus, is all that other stuff.
58:02
Speaker 1: And the reason this is great, the reason don't so funny.
58:07
Speaker 1: If you keep diving, you won't even remember any of this.
58:11
Speaker 1: I don't know, I got no idea what you guys
58:13
Speaker 1: are talking about. You just clear I just clear it.
58:16
Speaker 1: But clearing is the obstacle. So when when we first start,
58:23
Speaker 1: it's the number one thing that people separates me from
58:26
Speaker 1: having all of the fish in the ocean be dead
58:31
Speaker 1: and I could clear, there would be no fish left
58:33
Speaker 1: in the ocean. You can't clear. Yeah, thank god, thank god.
58:38
Speaker 1: George scuba dove before he free dove technically and scuba diving.
58:45
Speaker 1: You start to create good clearing habits. You got all
58:49
Speaker 1: the time in the world. Damn hurry, it doesn't matter.
58:53
Speaker 1: You're still creating. The clearing takes as long as a fingersnap, right,
59:00
Speaker 1: So you really don't think about how it's hard to
59:02
Speaker 1: clear it. It is not even something. The one time
59:08
Speaker 1: I think about it is when I get plugged up
59:10
Speaker 1: and at three three it's going my ears like oh yeah,
59:16
Speaker 1: and then I've got a graph for a beginner. But
59:18
Speaker 1: it's in the beginning. It's and I I'm trying to
59:24
Speaker 1: do my dive and I have to stop waste precious
59:29
Speaker 1: seconds to turn my head upright to catch a bad
59:32
Speaker 1: If I really had a hard time catching the clear,
59:35
Speaker 1: I gotta like snake around, give my head up right,
59:37
Speaker 1: catch a clear, and then get back into my groove.
59:41
Speaker 1: And that to eats of your time, And that goes
59:43
Speaker 1: back to the point of man, it sure is a
59:45
Speaker 1: lot of work. Yeah, it eats up your time, and
59:49
Speaker 1: that's what keeps you from finding all the fish and
59:51
Speaker 1: shooting them. But I would I would say you did
59:53
Speaker 1: awfully well though, despite and we should probably give you
59:57
Speaker 1: some props eventually, but we might wait. I don't want
59:59
Speaker 1: to gonna want to get into that. Um, I just
1:00:02
Speaker 1: wanted to be that I'm an aspiring spear fishure. But
1:00:06
Speaker 1: that's the number one anyways, friends are Clearing is probably
1:00:09
Speaker 1: the number one thing that will stop someone from being
1:00:11
Speaker 1: successful and free diving. And if you can't clear, you
1:00:14
Speaker 1: cannot descend, and it is what will stop you spear fish,
1:00:18
Speaker 1: but not you guys. Once told me that, like my
1:00:21
Speaker 1: whole life, people have told me they can't clear. Mhm.
1:00:25
Speaker 1: But just the thing you have to learn how to do. Yeah,
1:00:28
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's something I think when in our
1:00:30
Speaker 1: early conversations is said, hey, put your hand on your
1:00:32
Speaker 1: diaphragm and clear, and you said your diaphragm was clearing.
1:00:34
Speaker 1: You know that's that's not gonna work. Yeah, explain, just
1:00:38
Speaker 1: we'll leave this, we'll put this rest. We'll start talking
1:00:40
Speaker 1: about how you guys hunt plagic fish. But um, why
1:00:44
Speaker 1: why can't you just use your whole diaphragm? Explain to
1:00:48
Speaker 1: people what happens? So basically, if you're using your diaphragm,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: you're using your diaphragm to put pressure on your lungs
1:00:53
Speaker 1: to move the air up into your basically throw it
1:00:56
Speaker 1: into your um station tubes to equalize your ear dry.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: So if you're upside down, one air floats right, so
1:01:03
Speaker 1: your your air is going to be against your diaphragm.
1:01:05
Speaker 1: You're having to push it. I think something like it's
1:01:07
Speaker 1: a it's a long way to push it down to
1:01:11
Speaker 1: get it down to your head to equalize your ear
1:01:14
Speaker 1: drums because it wants the goal the other direction it does,
1:01:17
Speaker 1: and it's trying to go up through your fins basically
1:01:20
Speaker 1: two toes. Yeah, so um, it'll urt a lot of times.
1:01:24
Speaker 1: It will work in very shallow water, but not as
1:01:26
Speaker 1: as you go deeper it will not work. Yeah, and
1:01:28
Speaker 1: right now you've worked your top thirty feet, you've learned
1:01:31
Speaker 1: a frienzill No, no, okay, you're you're working on friends.
1:01:36
Speaker 1: I got better and better and better, and then my
1:01:37
Speaker 1: ears got weird and funny. Now this is what's going
1:01:39
Speaker 1: to happen when you break. When you finally break your
1:01:43
Speaker 1: sixty ft mark, we're gonna have to teach you how
1:01:46
Speaker 1: to do a mouth fill, so all the air it's
1:01:50
Speaker 1: available in your mouth has now compressed. People that are
1:01:55
Speaker 1: very good, that can control the epiglottis, will hold that
1:01:59
Speaker 1: remaining air in their mouth. People who don't control the epiglottis,
1:02:04
Speaker 1: where does the air go? Gravity pressure? A lot of
1:02:08
Speaker 1: time it gets pushed into their stomach and you lose
1:02:11
Speaker 1: the air. Now you've made your dive, you're down at
1:02:16
Speaker 1: sixty that's sixty six mask. You've got now add air
1:02:21
Speaker 1: to your mask, and you have to add air back
1:02:24
Speaker 1: into your mouth in order to equalize all your open
1:02:27
Speaker 1: air cavities. So you do what's called a grouper. Like
1:02:31
Speaker 1: a grouper call right, and that's something not not everyone.
1:02:37
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't grouper, call it depths until you
1:02:40
Speaker 1: have to get until you get really deep. But some
1:02:41
Speaker 1: people have to grouper call it sheller depths. Yeah, And
1:02:43
Speaker 1: I pre load my mouth with air right around sixty six.
1:02:50
Speaker 1: Always preload, So I've got plenty to deal with. Thinking
1:02:54
Speaker 1: point right around six where you getting the air from
1:02:58
Speaker 1: in your lungs, but it's compressed. So we do this
1:03:02
Speaker 1: group or call. If you were to close your mouth
1:03:05
Speaker 1: and take a little breast, you got little pressure and
1:03:09
Speaker 1: now make a group of grunt from your stomach and
1:03:14
Speaker 1: push it in your cheeks. See that you filled your cheeks.
1:03:16
Speaker 1: That's a group of call. And then close the upper
1:03:18
Speaker 1: glottis and now you get to use that air to
1:03:20
Speaker 1: make your mask comfortable and continue clearing. As you work
1:03:23
Speaker 1: your way out, your starts wanting to suck your eyeballs out. Oh,
1:03:26
Speaker 1: it's miserable, miserable. It's it's miserable. And what depth is
1:03:30
Speaker 1: that happening depends up the wall of your mask. Yeah,
1:03:34
Speaker 1: it makes a big difference. But for me personally, when
1:03:37
Speaker 1: I'm diving, I'm preparing my mouth fill adding adding additional
1:03:45
Speaker 1: air into the mask, and then from there it's smooth sailing.
1:03:47
Speaker 1: I can then clear comfortably up to problem. But I
1:03:53
Speaker 1: hit about a hundred. If I don't have enough air
1:03:56
Speaker 1: in my mouth, I physically can't do another group er
1:04:01
Speaker 1: gulp because everything is so compressed, I can't get enough
1:04:04
Speaker 1: air out. So if I don't preload and I've got
1:04:08
Speaker 1: to stop my dive. Um. I've talked a lot of
1:04:11
Speaker 1: times over the years about how houndsman like people that
1:04:15
Speaker 1: hunt with hounds have more hold more units of information
1:04:22
Speaker 1: in their head than most other kinds of hunters. Okay,
1:04:28
Speaker 1: there's more units of info in there than other kind
1:04:32
Speaker 1: of hunters. Uh. I do think that, Uh, spear fishermen
1:04:38
Speaker 1: have more you have more units of information packed in
1:04:43
Speaker 1: their head than normal fishermen. I'd agree, because there's just
1:04:51
Speaker 1: this whole other added thing about staying a live Yeah,
1:04:56
Speaker 1: a lot of body checks when you're underwater. Right, did
1:04:58
Speaker 1: you find yourself when you were diving? Kind of going
1:05:01
Speaker 1: how do I feel? No, but I found myself every
1:05:03
Speaker 1: time I got in the water feeling like I must
1:05:05
Speaker 1: have forgot some part of this pleasantly surprised sort of
1:05:11
Speaker 1: getting the water and be like, oh yeah, my ships here,
1:05:14
Speaker 1: got the weight belt on the crowds straps. Good mentor
1:05:20
Speaker 1: historical kind of once you got in. Let's say you
1:05:24
Speaker 1: got in your mojo and you're out there and you're
1:05:26
Speaker 1: making your dives. You were out there for a long time.
1:05:28
Speaker 1: I saw you swim maybe a mile along that reef
1:05:31
Speaker 1: line and you're working your deal. Well, I'm lost in
1:05:34
Speaker 1: the world then, but at what point are you diving
1:05:36
Speaker 1: and going Okay, I feel really good right now. Yeah,
1:05:42
Speaker 1: that would strike me as I would take note because
1:05:45
Speaker 1: it was the unusual feeling to feel good. I'd be like, wow,
1:05:49
Speaker 1: I feel okay, this was? This was? Did you never
1:05:52
Speaker 1: have a dive when you didn't think about diving and
1:05:55
Speaker 1: you just dove? No? Was it always very deliberate, a
1:05:59
Speaker 1: little bit of dresd like not looking forward to it?
1:06:04
Speaker 1: Why am I like? Maybe I'll just stay at the
1:06:06
Speaker 1: surface and be like no, because that's like giving up
1:06:08
Speaker 1: and dying. I need to go back down and like
1:06:12
Speaker 1: messing my ears. I'll just keep listening to the Darth
1:06:16
Speaker 1: Vader breath going. Do you do you feel like the
1:06:19
Speaker 1: Darth Brader when you're breathing? I'm like, why am I
1:06:24
Speaker 1: breathing like that? Just beat a chill that would for
1:06:26
Speaker 1: like three breaths and then I cash myself. Yeah, the
1:06:33
Speaker 1: Darth Vader. But no, I loved it, loved it, But no,
1:06:36
Speaker 1: I'm not. I would take note if I felt comfortable
1:06:40
Speaker 1: a little bit paranoia of the unknown. It's like going
1:06:44
Speaker 1: through brush. It's like going through thick brush underwater to
1:06:47
Speaker 1: be in the kelp. It's like the two things you
1:06:50
Speaker 1: don't want, like in jet life generally, like you don't
1:06:52
Speaker 1: want to be stuck underwater and you don't want to
1:06:55
Speaker 1: be in thick rush. But here you are underwater in
1:06:58
Speaker 1: thick brush with a ceiling above you that somehow you
1:07:02
Speaker 1: have to penetrate when you come back. Oh yeah, you're
1:07:04
Speaker 1: underwater trying to scout out a place where you can
1:07:06
Speaker 1: come up and get a breath, looking for that sunbeam,
1:07:08
Speaker 1: looking for a sunbeams up through there and get a
1:07:11
Speaker 1: breath of air. Oh man, okay, talk about hunting plagic.
1:07:15
Speaker 1: So this is interesting. We kind of covered whole hunting.
1:07:19
Speaker 1: Hole hunting. Yep, it's its own thing. There's a there's
1:07:23
Speaker 1: a lot of different styles hunting, uh, pelagics or a
1:07:25
Speaker 1: whole How how do you you tell me? How do
1:07:27
Speaker 1: you guys divide the world up? I would say blue
1:07:31
Speaker 1: water and reef are the big is a brief lit
1:07:34
Speaker 1: deep brief, deep brief, and then blue water blue water.
1:07:38
Speaker 1: Let's start with reef people, a rough rundown on what
1:07:41
Speaker 1: reef hunting is. Let's call reef six and less. Yeah, yeah,
1:07:46
Speaker 1: sixty ft and lass um. Depends on where you're diving.
1:07:50
Speaker 1: I mean, it's every every location. The cool thing about
1:07:52
Speaker 1: the US is it has so many different regions with
1:07:54
Speaker 1: different species of fish that it's just nothing's the same.
1:07:58
Speaker 1: You can go northern California is different than Southern California,
1:08:00
Speaker 1: which is different than you get down into Bahs, a
1:08:03
Speaker 1: whole another thing. The northeast you getting the striper and
1:08:05
Speaker 1: dog and all those fish. You go south of there,
1:08:07
Speaker 1: you getting a whole another set of fish. Florida has
1:08:09
Speaker 1: both sides that are different sites of fish. It's just
1:08:12
Speaker 1: I think in the US, the Hawaiians are probably the
1:08:17
Speaker 1: best reef hunters. Sixty ft and less fast fish. You
1:08:25
Speaker 1: you have to learn a lot of different techniques based
1:08:29
Speaker 1: on what you're hunting in in in Hawaii, because it's
1:08:34
Speaker 1: so sunny and there's such good visibility that you learn
1:08:37
Speaker 1: to while you're looking down. You learn to look for
1:08:40
Speaker 1: shadows because so you can stalk fish, so you can
1:08:44
Speaker 1: put your body in that shadow. Have you ever been
1:08:47
Speaker 1: on the highway driving along happy as a clam and
1:08:50
Speaker 1: there's a highway patrolman under an overpath sitting in a shadow,
1:08:54
Speaker 1: and you're like, I never saw that guy. Same concept.
1:08:59
Speaker 1: You stick your body that shadow. I hope you don't
1:09:01
Speaker 1: get bit by an eel and you wait, right. The
1:09:05
Speaker 1: Hawaiians are phenomenal with that. Yeah, Hawaiians in Florida, Yeah,
1:09:09
Speaker 1: Floridians really good Floridians fall more in the deep brief.
1:09:13
Speaker 1: I mean the Hawaiians of course have a great deep brief. Um.
1:09:18
Speaker 1: And then doing that kind of hunt, because we did
1:09:19
Speaker 1: a fair bit of it. You guys. Also you're kind
1:09:21
Speaker 1: of scouting from the surface a little bit if you can,
1:09:24
Speaker 1: or you dive down to find the nooks and crannies.
1:09:28
Speaker 1: You'll go explore. But knows you a lot of times
1:09:30
Speaker 1: will be looking down and you have a pretty good
1:09:32
Speaker 1: eye for it. Yeah, because I would watch you looking
1:09:35
Speaker 1: down when it was good clarity, and I wouldn't see,
1:09:38
Speaker 1: and then you'd go down and vanish into a hole
1:09:41
Speaker 1: or vanish into a ledge that I wouldn't recognize. I
1:09:44
Speaker 1: wouldn't see that, I wouldn't see the ledge. I wouldn't
1:09:47
Speaker 1: realize there was like a little hidy hole down there. Yeah,
1:09:49
Speaker 1: you get an eye for it, Um. I guess I'm I.
1:09:53
Speaker 1: There's there's a couple of different types of spearfish, and
1:09:55
Speaker 1: when i'm I'm the one that I will kick a
1:09:57
Speaker 1: lot until I find I see what I like and
1:10:00
Speaker 1: and what I can read really well, and then I'll
1:10:02
Speaker 1: stop and work the area. Some people will just methodically
1:10:05
Speaker 1: inch by inch work or reef I'll kick until I
1:10:07
Speaker 1: see something I like, whether it's bait or a certain
1:10:11
Speaker 1: feature underwater, and you get trained kind of going, you know,
1:10:15
Speaker 1: the eel grass is laying this way, and you know,
1:10:16
Speaker 1: you learn how to read it what sways back and forth, going,
1:10:18
Speaker 1: Oh that's a hole. You know, I'm gonna go pick
1:10:20
Speaker 1: up that hole, or you just get an efe for it.
1:10:22
Speaker 1: It's just like anything. It's just like you up up
1:10:24
Speaker 1: in the mountains. You know, you have an eye for
1:10:26
Speaker 1: you know what you're looking for and what specifically you
1:10:28
Speaker 1: want to hunt in. Yeah, like little pockets are the
1:10:30
Speaker 1: hold stuff. Like in one, you went down, shine a
1:10:33
Speaker 1: flashlight into it, came and got me, and then we
1:10:37
Speaker 1: went down together and shine a flash I was like
1:10:40
Speaker 1: looking into a cupboard. Yeah, and there was a sheeps
1:10:42
Speaker 1: that hide in there. Yeah. Yeah, And that's uh. You
1:10:46
Speaker 1: just learn how to read certain reefs and and how
1:10:49
Speaker 1: to hold on. I mean, I would say divers from
1:10:52
Speaker 1: northern California are very very good hole hunters because that's
1:10:55
Speaker 1: that's what we do all day, and that's where you
1:10:58
Speaker 1: know the good fish are in the holes. The whole
1:11:01
Speaker 1: hunter ground and pound ground. Okay, move on to plagic.
1:11:08
Speaker 1: This is the thing that was pretty interesting that we
1:11:09
Speaker 1: did there. Now we're working with some attractants. We're not
1:11:17
Speaker 1: chumming because that's all shark thing we're not cool with,
1:11:21
Speaker 1: but we're using the attracting right. So it's like people
1:11:23
Speaker 1: generally don't want to chum in shark areas. You'll you'll
1:11:27
Speaker 1: cut early. It just depends. I mean yellow tail. I
1:11:30
Speaker 1: don't feel chumming for yellowtail over like a flasher works much. Yeah,
1:11:35
Speaker 1: it depends on what you're going for. And again, some
1:11:39
Speaker 1: things you just have to keep simple. Floating flasher nice
1:11:43
Speaker 1: and simple. You throw it out, it doesn't steal. And
1:11:46
Speaker 1: you have a little throw flasher that you throw and
1:11:49
Speaker 1: it hits the surface. Explain the floating flash because people
1:11:51
Speaker 1: are gonna trust me. People not know what the hell
1:11:53
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Like three people will imagine afloat that
1:11:57
Speaker 1: looks like a chicken. It does, it does, and that's
1:12:02
Speaker 1: filmed with foam, So your chickens filled with foam. It's
1:12:05
Speaker 1: got fishing line on it, and hanging from that fishing
1:12:09
Speaker 1: line are some flashers. It looks like a bunch of
1:12:11
Speaker 1: fishing luers. Looks like a little spin spinner bait blades
1:12:15
Speaker 1: exactly and on the bottom. Some like it. What's that
1:12:18
Speaker 1: thing that we put on the line behind the banana
1:12:22
Speaker 1: when we're fishing, called a flasher. It's called the flasher,
1:12:26
Speaker 1: dodgers and flashers, And we like to put a squid
1:12:29
Speaker 1: on the bottom for decoration, to hide the weight. Oh,
1:12:31
Speaker 1: that's what he's on there for. And you got a
1:12:33
Speaker 1: pom pom on the bottom of yours. Yeah, mine's a mine.
1:12:36
Speaker 1: Looks like a miniature baseball from far away. It does
1:12:40
Speaker 1: look really good. Yeah, it's a teaser that slays him.
1:12:45
Speaker 1: It also does really well on my engine prop, doesn't that?
1:12:47
Speaker 1: Captain george them? So you go out and hang this
1:12:54
Speaker 1: thing in the water and we float with it. Yeah,
1:12:56
Speaker 1: like riding the current. Riding the current, relaxing and looking
1:13:01
Speaker 1: for signs. This is just hovering over the suspended string
1:13:06
Speaker 1: of Christmas ornaments hanging off. They're suspended vertically at about
1:13:13
Speaker 1: depending on the visibility. Oh yeah, we should talk about that.
1:13:16
Speaker 1: We put it at a certain height on purpose. It
1:13:19
Speaker 1: depends on what you can see right on the viz
1:13:22
Speaker 1: and where we think those fish are going to be.
1:13:25
Speaker 1: We didn't tell you, but there was a thermal client
1:13:27
Speaker 1: at about thirty We wanted to stay above that thermal client.
1:13:32
Speaker 1: We wanted to say above that thermal client for a
1:13:35
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. Number one, we didn't want to spook
1:13:38
Speaker 1: all of our bait. Our bait were great. You see
1:13:39
Speaker 1: how happy they were. Tens of hundreds of thousands of
1:13:44
Speaker 1: tuna crabs, the tuna crabs and yeah, and then the
1:13:48
Speaker 1: bait bait and then the bait bait. They were happy,
1:13:50
Speaker 1: they were relaxed. If we kept making repetitive dives underneath
1:13:54
Speaker 1: them and coming back up, they would get agitated and
1:13:58
Speaker 1: disperse and disperse, and they would mess up our whole
1:14:01
Speaker 1: mojo there. So we stayed on top of above all that.
1:14:06
Speaker 1: And that's really good. So we've got our hanging flasher,
1:14:09
Speaker 1: and then we utilize a throw flasher, which is again
1:14:12
Speaker 1: our little fishing lure. But we throw it and then
1:14:15
Speaker 1: it floats down and it reflects very very slowly, like
1:14:22
Speaker 1: one ft two ft three ft right, and it goes
1:14:28
Speaker 1: down and it shines, and then we dive down and
1:14:34
Speaker 1: we get it. We pick it up and we look
1:14:38
Speaker 1: up town left, right, and then in they come. Now
1:14:43
Speaker 1: that the art of blue water hunting is being able
1:14:48
Speaker 1: to see your fish incoming and being prepared for them.
1:14:54
Speaker 1: Really good blue water hunters can pick out, can start
1:14:57
Speaker 1: to pick out changes in the in the there the
1:15:00
Speaker 1: water before the fish actually get there, so we see
1:15:03
Speaker 1: dark shadows and that allows us to be a little
1:15:08
Speaker 1: we can make an adjustment, so we can cut an
1:15:10
Speaker 1: angle a little better. And because this thing is not
1:15:15
Speaker 1: going to be stopping now and they're moving fast, they
1:15:17
Speaker 1: blast through. Yeah. So in our blue water we got
1:15:22
Speaker 1: yellow tail and a bonito. The yellow tail was in
1:15:26
Speaker 1: a school. I think he had a group the yellow
1:15:31
Speaker 1: tail I saw I had a group of twenty other
1:15:33
Speaker 1: fish with them. Bonita, No, the yellow tail. You saw
1:15:38
Speaker 1: a school with twenty yellow tail? Oh? Did you too?
1:15:42
Speaker 1: No mine, which I'll get to trust me. It was
1:15:46
Speaker 1: a two pack and they were lost. I'm just wondering where,
1:15:51
Speaker 1: where and when you saw that? I didn't hear about this.
1:15:54
Speaker 1: Twenty pack of yellow tail was right at dust glass
1:15:58
Speaker 1: what we were doing last night at dusk with the
1:16:00
Speaker 1: with the ghosts of the evil people swimming around in
1:16:02
Speaker 1: the ocean. We had multiple schools come through. The first
1:16:06
Speaker 1: school that came through came through so fast there was
1:16:10
Speaker 1: nothing that I could do about it. I just let
1:16:12
Speaker 1: it be. Came back to the surface, read through my flasher, relaxed, flasher,
1:16:18
Speaker 1: went down. I went back down. Then that school came
1:16:22
Speaker 1: back around, and I took that first fish, hauled the
1:16:27
Speaker 1: back of the boat, got him up quickly, threw him
1:16:31
Speaker 1: in the boat, and went back out. When I was
1:16:33
Speaker 1: rebanding my gun, I threw my flasher and the school
1:16:37
Speaker 1: came back around, but this time twice as fast. They
1:16:40
Speaker 1: were smoking through the water fast fast, and I couldn't
1:16:43
Speaker 1: get my gun loaded fast enough. So they did their deal,
1:16:49
Speaker 1: and then we continued to stay in front of the bait.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: Right the bait kind of created like a vertical wall,
1:16:59
Speaker 1: and that was where the two currents were merging. And
1:17:02
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing when that happens. And you shot
1:17:05
Speaker 1: that tasty little oh, that little benito, Yeah, and he
1:17:11
Speaker 1: comes halling as through. Now that was a school of three.
1:17:14
Speaker 1: Four came in super quick. I was on the surface.
1:17:17
Speaker 1: I just rolled the shoulder and let the spear fly.
1:17:20
Speaker 1: Didn't no aim, no, there's no time for any of that.
1:17:24
Speaker 1: It's purely instinctual, slice him right through the gut. Unfortunately,
1:17:30
Speaker 1: the spear went all the way through, and they go
1:17:33
Speaker 1: so berserk that he just wrapped himself up and I
1:17:36
Speaker 1: pulled him up. Blessed. He was what eighteen inches long?
1:17:41
Speaker 1: And we ate him in a bath of soy sauce
1:17:44
Speaker 1: and top of teal with some lapino soaked in lime juice.
1:17:51
Speaker 1: So good, good the yellow tail. Now, I'll tell you
1:17:55
Speaker 1: my I'll revel you with my uh you can, I'll
1:17:58
Speaker 1: tell you about the yellow tail story. We were that,
1:18:00
Speaker 1: like I said, they were lost up against the cliff
1:18:05
Speaker 1: in how many feet of water? I'd say fifteen twenty
1:18:10
Speaker 1: was right in the range, but most like your fish
1:18:12
Speaker 1: was laying in about the ground in fact, And I
1:18:16
Speaker 1: look and with a nineties sell me send me a gun.
1:18:19
Speaker 1: And I look and I'm like and they come past me,
1:18:21
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you gotta be shipping me, and uh
1:18:26
Speaker 1: they're big, Like, well, how big was when I got
1:18:28
Speaker 1: Here's about fifteen I'd say in that fifteen ish range.
1:18:30
Speaker 1: He comes past yellow tail man like a sickle on
1:18:35
Speaker 1: his tail, and they come past, and I turned and
1:18:39
Speaker 1: they go out of you, And I'm thinking to myself,
1:18:41
Speaker 1: I have never in my life caught up with a fish.
1:18:46
Speaker 1: And I almost was like, yeah, never mind, but I'm like, yeah,
1:18:50
Speaker 1: I'll try to go over their direction. So I started
1:18:52
Speaker 1: swimming and catch up with them. Something must have distracted
1:18:55
Speaker 1: him or something, and they cut left and I shot
1:18:59
Speaker 1: the one you ment was right there. No, I couldn't
1:19:04
Speaker 1: find my mentor. Had my mentor been nearby? Um the
1:19:08
Speaker 1: rest of us heard someone screaming, had my mentor not
1:19:11
Speaker 1: done what he had done to me earlier when I
1:19:13
Speaker 1: was drowning, which does not be around. In this case,
1:19:17
Speaker 1: my mentor's lack of attentive cost him a fish. I
1:19:21
Speaker 1: did put you on that line, though, I said, swim
1:19:23
Speaker 1: in front of Yes, you did, because the other the
1:19:26
Speaker 1: other yellow tail in the tupac. This is really startling
1:19:30
Speaker 1: to me. It was like, have you guys ever hunted
1:19:33
Speaker 1: Canada geese? Or a double will come over and you'll
1:19:35
Speaker 1: hit one of the geese, and sometimes you get like
1:19:38
Speaker 1: three or four pass throughs by the other goose because
1:19:42
Speaker 1: they made for life, or to put it, they it's
1:19:47
Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated. Or let's say someone were
1:19:52
Speaker 1: to uh shoot a yearling deer. Let's just say and
1:19:58
Speaker 1: or let's say somewhere to shoot a dough with the
1:20:00
Speaker 1: yearling deer and then watch the yearling. One could imagine
1:20:05
Speaker 1: how it might hang around for a while the fish
1:20:09
Speaker 1: his buddy is just like cutting cookies around me. And
1:20:13
Speaker 1: at one point time I'm not joking, it past eighteen
1:20:15
Speaker 1: inches in front of my face, and I'm thinking, Man,
1:20:20
Speaker 1: a good mentor would be would have just shots, like
1:20:25
Speaker 1: could put a box of spear gun darts into this
1:20:27
Speaker 1: thing nowhere to be found. And um, you should feel
1:20:33
Speaker 1: pretty lucky about that experience because it's pretty It's knew
1:20:37
Speaker 1: it's insane special the second a half, and I knew
1:20:39
Speaker 1: that it was special. Um when trying to hail, uh
1:20:45
Speaker 1: some help to get the other fish. That's what I
1:20:47
Speaker 1: was originally after he'd get the other fish, and then uh,
1:20:52
Speaker 1: wanting him to not pull off the spear the whole thing.
1:20:56
Speaker 1: But once I finally got my mitt on him, you
1:20:58
Speaker 1: were feeling good too. It was really cool to get
1:21:03
Speaker 1: a big fish that's good raw that doesn't happen to
1:21:07
Speaker 1: a freshwater person, big fish that I have been ordering
1:21:12
Speaker 1: the flesh of for the past twenty five years. And no,
1:21:18
Speaker 1: when did I start eating like when did I start
1:21:20
Speaker 1: having like where with all to go to a sushi restaurant.
1:21:23
Speaker 1: I've been eating the flesh of for twenty years fifteen
1:21:26
Speaker 1: years and sushi joints and to have that some of
1:21:30
Speaker 1: a bit in my hand by the gill cover the
1:21:33
Speaker 1: throat special way where you grab them like up in
1:21:39
Speaker 1: the paralyzer. Yeah, squeeze, you get them like your hand is.
1:21:44
Speaker 1: You got your thumb and one through the gills on
1:21:46
Speaker 1: one side, your four fingers through the gills in the
1:21:48
Speaker 1: air side, and you're holding his his comma, his hamachi comma,
1:21:53
Speaker 1: his throat. And then I was like, I cannot believe
1:21:57
Speaker 1: I got this fish at that point, which is about
1:22:00
Speaker 1: twenty minutes after I shot. And he did everything right.
1:22:05
Speaker 1: He took the time, bled it that we did all
1:22:08
Speaker 1: that later and then after bleeding it, gutted it and
1:22:13
Speaker 1: then right on ice and it was good. The perfect
1:22:17
Speaker 1: pathway to your plate. You need tell when you're telefishing story.
1:22:22
Speaker 1: I only got one. Well, well it's one long one
1:22:25
Speaker 1: because I shot two, only recovered one, cheap, said, But
1:22:30
Speaker 1: my mentor stuck with me the whole time right there. Yeah. Yeah,
1:22:35
Speaker 1: you're like a like a dog in heel him being
1:22:38
Speaker 1: the owner. Yeah, maybe I don't know what chips are
1:22:43
Speaker 1: down when you needed them. Yeah, He's like, come over here,
1:22:47
Speaker 1: I got a fish for you right here. I had
1:22:49
Speaker 1: to kind of follow if I wanted to spend time,
1:22:50
Speaker 1: I mentor I had to kind of follow him around.
1:22:54
Speaker 1: And I go over there, and this is the kind
1:22:56
Speaker 1: of spear fishing I like, because you just I'm at
1:22:58
Speaker 1: the surface going and I looked down and I can
1:23:03
Speaker 1: see there's like a calico bass two sheeps said, and
1:23:06
Speaker 1: he's like, shoot the sheep said. I'm like, I don't
1:23:08
Speaker 1: know which one that is with the stripe on it
1:23:10
Speaker 1: in the big lip. I'm like, oh, I can see
1:23:12
Speaker 1: him from here. So I swim down shoot him blasted.
1:23:17
Speaker 1: I don't know, alexlo to answer that question. You were
1:23:21
Speaker 1: getting that deep and uh shot him easily and it
1:23:25
Speaker 1: just went through like the tops of his shoulders and
1:23:27
Speaker 1: it didn't stick, you know, like the whole blue out
1:23:31
Speaker 1: at the top. But I was watching him swim over.
1:23:34
Speaker 1: He immediately like goes in the direction the fish swam
1:23:38
Speaker 1: and he weaves me over and the fish is going
1:23:40
Speaker 1: into a crack, and he's like, all right, now you
1:23:43
Speaker 1: gotta swim down and getting that crack, you'll see him
1:23:45
Speaker 1: in there. It's dark, but we'll see a silhouette and
1:23:47
Speaker 1: shoot him again. I'm like, yeah, right, having So I
1:23:52
Speaker 1: take like another two minutes swim down. As since I
1:24:01
Speaker 1: get to the crack, I can just kind of get
1:24:03
Speaker 1: look underneath it. I gotta go and I go out.
1:24:08
Speaker 1: So I never even looked into the crack. Really, Alex
1:24:11
Speaker 1: went down. Did you see him again? I did? I did,
1:24:14
Speaker 1: but then he squirted out. Yeah. We had We had
1:24:17
Speaker 1: lobster in there, there were urchins in there. It was
1:24:21
Speaker 1: a mess inside that hole. We caught a fish sheep
1:24:25
Speaker 1: said today that had that dart hole on him on
1:24:28
Speaker 1: the top that a halready healed over. Oh yeah. And
1:24:32
Speaker 1: then someone and then someone in our party shot a
1:24:35
Speaker 1: sheep's head that also had two ft leader coming out
1:24:39
Speaker 1: of his mouth in the hook and his tongue. Did
1:24:43
Speaker 1: you see that? Yeah, that was calico? I thought, wasn't it? Okay?
1:24:46
Speaker 1: What was that? Yeah? It was a calico. But I
1:24:49
Speaker 1: forget who shot the one that had the rusty hook
1:24:51
Speaker 1: and hunka model coming out of him. No, that wasn't mine.
1:24:55
Speaker 1: You didn't shoot that with the fishing line coming out
1:24:57
Speaker 1: of it. I must have been your mentor. He likes
1:25:00
Speaker 1: he likes a fish that are hurt, track sick fish.
1:25:06
Speaker 1: You might not want to eat your yellow too. So
1:25:08
Speaker 1: we we didn't swim much farther. We swim another minute
1:25:12
Speaker 1: or two and there was another chief set, So I
1:25:15
Speaker 1: think I actually went down that one, and I didn't
1:25:17
Speaker 1: get a shot. The first time I was down, he
1:25:20
Speaker 1: just kind of squirted behind some kelps. I came up,
1:25:26
Speaker 1: got got what do you guys call it, rested, recovered, recovered.
1:25:31
Speaker 1: I went down again, set up, almost had a shot,
1:25:34
Speaker 1: didn't get a shot, and I just waited and he
1:25:36
Speaker 1: just he just swam right back around and turned around
1:25:39
Speaker 1: and gave me a nice I don't know. He couldn't
1:25:41
Speaker 1: have been five ft. He wasn't as far as away
1:25:44
Speaker 1: from the tip as the gun is long, that's for sure.
1:25:47
Speaker 1: It was beautiful because I watched it from the surface
1:25:51
Speaker 1: and when he went down, in my head, I'm sending
1:25:56
Speaker 1: him the vibe be patient, because he went down and
1:26:02
Speaker 1: it looked like he just was gonna go full speed
1:26:05
Speaker 1: and they might have gonna just be patient, be patient
1:26:07
Speaker 1: because the fish, they don't like pointing things at him.
1:26:11
Speaker 1: And then he stopped and he was patient, and that
1:26:14
Speaker 1: two seconds of patient, the fish just put on the brakes,
1:26:18
Speaker 1: turned sideways, gave him the perfect shot, penned him to
1:26:23
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean. Fish went shot, went through
1:26:27
Speaker 1: the shoulder, right out the brain stone perfect yanked him
1:26:34
Speaker 1: out of the bottom, and now I swam up to
1:26:36
Speaker 1: the top and then yeah, that was your that was your.
1:26:45
Speaker 1: That was it. That was my first kill. Yeah, but
1:26:48
Speaker 1: he got more than after that day, this one fish man. Yeah,
1:26:52
Speaker 1: you know, we hit we hit a sweet spot when
1:26:54
Speaker 1: you guys left us and we decided to peel in
1:26:57
Speaker 1: and stop at another hole. And uh, I had sheep
1:27:01
Speaker 1: said like I could have shot from the surface, And
1:27:04
Speaker 1: then I was almost like, well, this isn't right. I'm
1:27:06
Speaker 1: supposed to be diving down, you know. So I let
1:27:08
Speaker 1: them pass, and then I think I actually saw later
1:27:11
Speaker 1: once I realized, like what the calico is. It's like
1:27:14
Speaker 1: green with white spots on its back. Once I had
1:27:17
Speaker 1: figured that out, I was looking back on my memory, going, oh,
1:27:21
Speaker 1: I've seen like those fish and I've not been shooting them,
1:27:24
Speaker 1: you know. I just kept looking for something bigger. The
1:27:28
Speaker 1: day that we were sea bass hunting, I think I
1:27:31
Speaker 1: saw one. It was a giant fish. So I kept
1:27:35
Speaker 1: looking for like, this is true, this big stuff where
1:27:38
Speaker 1: I should have been shooting the Yeah, that's what saves
1:27:42
Speaker 1: a lot of calico bass lives. Is my inability to
1:27:48
Speaker 1: accurately judge them. That is an art because a lot
1:27:53
Speaker 1: of them I'm like, I don't know, buddy, and let
1:27:55
Speaker 1: you slide. But no, first I'm clearing my ears. Last
1:28:02
Speaker 1: two dives I did today, I just felt like it
1:28:04
Speaker 1: was just constant, just coming out of my ears the
1:28:08
Speaker 1: whole time as I was going to the bottom. The
1:28:10
Speaker 1: clear never stopped as I went down, just clearing up,
1:28:14
Speaker 1: clearing up a storm. So I got that feeling good
1:28:16
Speaker 1: about it. Gotta fish this pretty successful trip. So you
1:28:20
Speaker 1: feel like you're an aspiring um for sure, I would
1:28:26
Speaker 1: like to do it some more. Do you feel like
1:28:27
Speaker 1: you wasted your life? See, that's what I'm struggling with,
1:28:30
Speaker 1: is that I wasted my life. I used to think
1:28:35
Speaker 1: that being like a mountain hunter. Like I used to
1:28:38
Speaker 1: think that being a mountain hunter was interesting. I still
1:28:42
Speaker 1: do not as interesting spear fishing. No, it's a good challenge, man.
1:28:49
Speaker 1: That's that's what's great about it. It really is. Like.
1:28:53
Speaker 1: The thing I like about mountain hunting is that a
1:28:57
Speaker 1: lot of things about it. One thing I like about
1:28:59
Speaker 1: mountain hut listen to this, So I got an idea.
1:29:02
Speaker 1: If you if you, if you took your mountain hunting
1:29:04
Speaker 1: to like some see it's not necessary to do this,
1:29:07
Speaker 1: but let's just say you have to somehow incorporate like
1:29:10
Speaker 1: climbing big walls, climbing up big walls where you could
1:29:14
Speaker 1: fall off and die, and then you had to shoot
1:29:17
Speaker 1: the mountain. Go. That would be a little a little
1:29:20
Speaker 1: more like this what I liked about mountain hunting. There's
1:29:23
Speaker 1: there's three things I know about spear fish and being
1:29:25
Speaker 1: the new one, riding a bike in Manhattan. In mountain
1:29:30
Speaker 1: hunting are three things where there's just no we're I'm
1:29:37
Speaker 1: not saying for everybody. It's three things where I just
1:29:41
Speaker 1: think about what I'm doing. Mm hmm. I'm just thinking
1:29:45
Speaker 1: about There's enough stuff going on, like topography, weather bears,
1:29:52
Speaker 1: what you know about animals, right, the burning of time.
1:29:59
Speaker 1: It's like a just I do those things and I
1:30:02
Speaker 1: just do that and then my mind's not doing anything
1:30:04
Speaker 1: else and it's very soothing. It's just like I'm just
1:30:08
Speaker 1: doing that. Yep. I'm not like I'm not engaged in
1:30:13
Speaker 1: any other bullshit in my head. I'm not like, oh man,
1:30:16
Speaker 1: I should call my mom more often, you know what
1:30:17
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm just like doing the thing Um, and
1:30:21
Speaker 1: that's why I like mountain hunting. Riding your bike in
1:30:25
Speaker 1: Manhattan is just too dangerous, but I enjoy it. But
1:30:30
Speaker 1: and then now spear fishing, man, but I think that,
1:30:32
Speaker 1: like I kind of like the food from spear fishing.
1:30:36
Speaker 1: I don't know how dare dare I say? I almost
1:30:38
Speaker 1: kind of like it better than eating venison than eating
1:30:42
Speaker 1: stuff you get mountin hunting, because you know what, a
1:30:46
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is pretty damn similar. Yeah, you
1:30:49
Speaker 1: don't really you don't acquire any food biking in Manhattan
1:30:53
Speaker 1: unless you stop at Joe's Pizza. No, you started getting
1:30:56
Speaker 1: them water dogs out of the tanks of hot water
1:30:58
Speaker 1: that the guys with a little trucks are little carts
1:31:01
Speaker 1: are selling. But no, discard that when I'm just saying,
1:31:03
Speaker 1: that's one where you're just no room to think about
1:31:05
Speaker 1: other stuff. But uh, I kind of like the food
1:31:09
Speaker 1: from this from this is pretty spectacular. And you guys,
1:31:16
Speaker 1: that's another they I wanted to ask you before you
1:31:17
Speaker 1: wrap up here. Um, do you guys find like in
1:31:21
Speaker 1: hunting there's a lot of people that don't they hunt,
1:31:25
Speaker 1: and you think, like hunting is like a way to
1:31:27
Speaker 1: like get food historically, right, it's probably kind of got
1:31:29
Speaker 1: into the whole activity as folks. Um, there's a lot
1:31:33
Speaker 1: of people like the hunt. They only give a shit
1:31:34
Speaker 1: about the They only give a shit about the food.
1:31:38
Speaker 1: You know, in your community, there a lot of people
1:31:41
Speaker 1: who are like big time spear fishermen that don't really
1:31:43
Speaker 1: take care of their fish and and like eating and
1:31:45
Speaker 1: give it away or is it most people pretty respectful
1:31:47
Speaker 1: that say, I'd say they're very Um, Like, if we're
1:31:51
Speaker 1: going on a big trip with several guys and there's
1:31:54
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that don't get a fish there,
1:31:57
Speaker 1: they're like right there, hey, you know, and like wanting fish,
1:32:00
Speaker 1: I mean they want everyone wants fish. Everyone takes care
1:32:03
Speaker 1: of their fish. So you got do you feel that
1:32:04
Speaker 1: you guys are typical or atypical in that you're always
1:32:08
Speaker 1: making all kinds of like preparations with the fish and
1:32:12
Speaker 1: eating it this way and this one's good to eat
1:32:14
Speaker 1: that way, I mean, and like this one's for this,
1:32:17
Speaker 1: This is great for tempera, this is great to eat raw,
1:32:20
Speaker 1: this is great to broil, this is great to grill.
1:32:23
Speaker 1: They've all got a lot of your bodies have that
1:32:26
Speaker 1: kind of way about them. Yeah, definitely, Um, just in
1:32:30
Speaker 1: how they're cook how they're prepared, eating them fresh as
1:32:33
Speaker 1: in raw, you know, just a little quick freeze on them,
1:32:37
Speaker 1: or any seasons, like are the spices sauces that we've
1:32:40
Speaker 1: made today when we're just on the filt table, you know,
1:32:44
Speaker 1: as we're cutting them, you know, you're you're ripping, you're
1:32:48
Speaker 1: rubbing the ribs with a spoon, and we had sauce
1:32:51
Speaker 1: right there and just eat it and it was just
1:32:54
Speaker 1: good fresh. You're good cook man, You're like a good cook,
1:32:57
Speaker 1: like a good like working man's high level cook. Well,
1:33:02
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, you know what I mean? I hope.
1:33:04
Speaker 1: So it's like approachable, like simple, just really good stuff.
1:33:12
Speaker 1: It's good. Do we get good? So? Dude, Yeah, I'm
1:33:16
Speaker 1: a yachtsman, fisherman, fisherman. I think the community as a
1:33:28
Speaker 1: whole understands that the catches only half m truly, truly.
1:33:35
Speaker 1: I don't think you'd go into any community and run
1:33:38
Speaker 1: into someone that's actually going after game fish, pelagic fish
1:33:44
Speaker 1: and already not thinking about how am I going to
1:33:48
Speaker 1: get this iced? How am I going to get at home?
1:33:50
Speaker 1: How am I going to get it prepped? What is
1:33:52
Speaker 1: it for? I think the community as a whole is
1:33:57
Speaker 1: is solid when it comes to that because you got that.
1:33:59
Speaker 1: That's thing like with spear fisherman, you're targeting um kind
1:34:04
Speaker 1: of like a lot of the most high qualities sought
1:34:07
Speaker 1: after fish. I know why you like spear fishing because
1:34:13
Speaker 1: all I mean, I'm like, well, I like like what
1:34:15
Speaker 1: I talked about the adventure of it, but you missed
1:34:19
Speaker 1: one one major point. It's just there's a little jar
1:34:27
Speaker 1: and that goes down. But it's a target rich environment.
1:34:31
Speaker 1: You have a lot of choices, and that when we
1:34:34
Speaker 1: talked to our new spear fisherman, that's really the biggest
1:34:38
Speaker 1: thing is you're gonna see a lot you've got to
1:34:42
Speaker 1: You guys pass up a lot of stuff. We pass
1:34:44
Speaker 1: up hundreds, if not thousands, to select one or two
1:34:49
Speaker 1: or three or four that are what we specifically want.
1:34:53
Speaker 1: That's thing I noticed about you guys. I'm kind of like,
1:34:55
Speaker 1: let's shoot them all, you know, let's go, let's go.
1:34:57
Speaker 1: But you guys are kind of like, just it's letting
1:35:00
Speaker 1: him go. Yeah, soaking the scenery, enjoy it, and then
1:35:04
Speaker 1: turn on the hunt when you need to turn it
1:35:06
Speaker 1: on because something may scoot out into a hole and
1:35:10
Speaker 1: now it's scenior. He's done. Now it's good time. That's
1:35:13
Speaker 1: the fish we want. How am I going to get
1:35:16
Speaker 1: to him without him running? You know? That's target rich environment. Yeah.
1:35:21
Speaker 1: You didn't think we shot a lot either until you
1:35:23
Speaker 1: started cleaning fish and that cooler back there. No, there
1:35:25
Speaker 1: was a handful in there. But no, you guys, you
1:35:28
Speaker 1: guys let a lot of fish slide. Yeah, that's the
1:35:31
Speaker 1: best part. My buddy George here says, Yeah, it's like
1:35:34
Speaker 1: bow hunting, only you've got targets all day long. Yeah,
1:35:38
Speaker 1: like you're saying, otherwise you work all season first shot,
1:35:41
Speaker 1: but I can attend shots today. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah,
1:35:45
Speaker 1: I like it. Man. I'm gonna start plotting out my
1:35:49
Speaker 1: next outing. I'm thinking Baja. See that's where I like. Well,
1:35:54
Speaker 1: that's where I mess around. That's where I like. He dabbles,
1:35:59
Speaker 1: No idea we go down there in family vacation. But
1:36:01
Speaker 1: when I go on family vacation, I always go somewhere
1:36:03
Speaker 1: where I can where. Oh, I always go where I
1:36:06
Speaker 1: could fish. And now we go somewhere where like where
1:36:09
Speaker 1: I can go. Dabble, dabble. How'd you like the ocean
1:36:12
Speaker 1: white fish here? Great? Just that was rotten in land
1:36:16
Speaker 1: though good haven't eaten him yet? Like cleaning them. He's
1:36:20
Speaker 1: playing nice. Yeah, they like catching them, but it's gonna
1:36:25
Speaker 1: be your favorite, you think, So that's that good? Look
1:36:28
Speaker 1: like a nice filt? What? Why are you laughing? That's
1:36:34
Speaker 1: the best fish out here? You can't compare to yell tailor.
1:36:37
Speaker 1: But I mean those are plattic. We're not talking platt
1:36:39
Speaker 1: We're talking reef fish, ocean white fish? Are you doing
1:36:43
Speaker 1: that because George doesn't want people to know about them?
1:36:45
Speaker 1: It's it's our secret. Actually there's only one guarantee spot too.
1:36:52
Speaker 1: Um okay, final thoughts. I mean I could go, I can.
1:36:55
Speaker 1: This could be like a ten part series on spear fishing,
1:36:58
Speaker 1: but one I love really really interesting to me. Man
1:37:03
Speaker 1: wasted my life? Yeah, I agree. I think looking through binoculars. Yeah,
1:37:11
Speaker 1: I think looking through a pair of binoculars for an
1:37:13
Speaker 1: antler that you're trying to pick out in shrub brush
1:37:17
Speaker 1: is cool. But imagine trying to pick out all these
1:37:21
Speaker 1: fish when they're cruising through the kelp the same thing,
1:37:24
Speaker 1: only you're a lot closer, with a lot more opportunity.
1:37:28
Speaker 1: I don't have to hike us for really, Yeah, you
1:37:31
Speaker 1: have to swim at you. Guys don't realize it because
1:37:36
Speaker 1: you just used to it. It is extremely demanding, extremely demanding,
1:37:42
Speaker 1: long day of spear fishing, you sleep really well. What
1:37:46
Speaker 1: was your average time between putting your head on your
1:37:47
Speaker 1: pillow and being gone? Just like in three and three nights.
1:37:52
Speaker 1: It's really demanding. And then other stuff that you don't
1:37:53
Speaker 1: even think about, like you kind of drifting with the
1:37:55
Speaker 1: current or whatever, and you look in that boat, it's
1:37:58
Speaker 1: like a million miles away. You start kicking through the
1:38:01
Speaker 1: kelt and you look a while later and it's like
1:38:03
Speaker 1: that scene of Monty Python or the dudes running that
1:38:06
Speaker 1: the duds running the animal, the bogus farther keeps getting
1:38:09
Speaker 1: farther away, and you're like, what, so I would get round.
1:38:12
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'd turn over my back so i couldn't
1:38:14
Speaker 1: even see the damn boat, and I'd kind of get
1:38:16
Speaker 1: a bearing and just go, and I'd be like, I'll
1:38:18
Speaker 1: allow myself to look in ten minutes. A couple of
1:38:21
Speaker 1: times what he was doing. Yeah, I noticed a couple
1:38:24
Speaker 1: of times when I drove up and you actually gave
1:38:27
Speaker 1: me the way some people give me the nice wave,
1:38:30
Speaker 1: like hey, I'm here, cool, I'm gonna head on your way.
1:38:33
Speaker 1: You gave me the like come here, monthfucker right right here,
1:38:36
Speaker 1: right now, because I I octopus said, strip of my
1:38:39
Speaker 1: snor and mentor was nowhere? All right? You got any
1:38:45
Speaker 1: final thoughts, Alex, Yeah, I'll finish off our little final
1:38:51
Speaker 1: thought process here is that you got to experience the
1:38:57
Speaker 1: first of the first, which is which is the stepping
1:39:00
Speaker 1: stone to uh and it's a universe of chasing fish
1:39:08
Speaker 1: that can take you around this entire globe and you'll
1:39:12
Speaker 1: of the sum of bit just covered in water, and
1:39:15
Speaker 1: you'll meet some of the best people, and you'll go
1:39:18
Speaker 1: to some of the most amazing places, and you'll uh
1:39:21
Speaker 1: pick up some of the best cooking and recipes from
1:39:25
Speaker 1: different cultures and just the regular guy that's flaying your fish,
1:39:30
Speaker 1: and UH, it's pretty special. So I'm stoked to have
1:39:33
Speaker 1: you in our spear fishing culture. Thank you, ma'am. That's it.
1:39:37
Speaker 1: Like one of our buddies JP said too, it's not
1:39:39
Speaker 1: all about the fish. You know, the same thing around
1:39:41
Speaker 1: a hunt camp brain thing. You get get a group
1:39:43
Speaker 1: of guys common interest doing something that you can get outdoors,
1:39:47
Speaker 1: you know, see see nature, see the splendor out there,
1:39:51
Speaker 1: and go get some great table fair. You know, it's awesome.
1:39:55
Speaker 1: It's like a real team component to it too, you know,
1:39:58
Speaker 1: yea through your problems. You could put you know, five
1:40:02
Speaker 1: six guys on us, you know about for three days,
1:40:05
Speaker 1: and I mean I don't think we had one that
1:40:07
Speaker 1: was pretty entertaining the whole. Well, you did break a
1:40:09
Speaker 1: very important part on my boat. Let's see, I broke
1:40:12
Speaker 1: about ten things. George hasn't found two of them, and
1:40:14
Speaker 1: we're not gonna talk about it. I'm pretty sure I'm
1:40:16
Speaker 1: gonna blame it on Yanni after they leave here. But
1:40:19
Speaker 1: you recovered you recovered two anchors aluminum anchor which you
1:40:24
Speaker 1: found store credit. I found it. I recovered, you found it.
1:40:28
Speaker 1: I recovered I spotted it and pondered it and thought
1:40:31
Speaker 1: about damn, the anchor is down deep. Any concluders, Uh,
1:40:39
Speaker 1: welcome anytime. I think this is the start of your journey.
1:40:42
Speaker 1: I think you have a good intro into it. Anyone
1:40:45
Speaker 1: that's looking to get into sport, just remember, do a
1:40:48
Speaker 1: little homework first. Try to find a mentor, at least
1:40:51
Speaker 1: do some research on the internet and talk to someone
1:40:53
Speaker 1: that's done it. There are some risks to it, but
1:40:56
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's a very very
1:40:58
Speaker 1: amazing sport. Are people in your community going to be
1:41:01
Speaker 1: annoyed that you're letting that that like by now by
1:41:07
Speaker 1: taking out like a couple of loud mouths, that you're
1:41:10
Speaker 1: like ruining the whole thing because now every time Dick
1:41:12
Speaker 1: and Harry is gonna pick up a spear gun. I
1:41:16
Speaker 1: think I think the sport itself will weed out a
1:41:19
Speaker 1: percentage of those people as you saw today. Um, I
1:41:22
Speaker 1: mean to tell you to the US in the world
1:41:25
Speaker 1: and when you talk about like New Zealand, Australia, Europe,
1:41:28
Speaker 1: South Africa, that the US is it's pretty far behind
1:41:32
Speaker 1: population wise of spear fisher, spear fisher women, but spear
1:41:36
Speaker 1: fishing in general. Uh, and I will find out, I guess.
1:41:39
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's it's a growing community anyway. It's
1:41:43
Speaker 1: it is a very kind of slowly growing sport, consistently growing.
1:41:47
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of guys that are like
1:41:49
Speaker 1: into mountain hunting that are real curious about spear fishing. Yeah,
1:41:54
Speaker 1: I mean, it's we all kind of like make each
1:41:56
Speaker 1: other curious about it. But yeah, don't you think, Johnnie,
1:42:00
Speaker 1: It's like in general, just like a round the guys
1:42:02
Speaker 1: we hang out with We kind of like talk about
1:42:04
Speaker 1: spear fishing more now than we might have once upon
1:42:06
Speaker 1: a time. But that's true, Rob, Jeremy and Sergio. I
1:42:12
Speaker 1: want you to come to South Africa. Really all you
1:42:15
Speaker 1: have to do, all you have to do is pack
1:42:17
Speaker 1: a bag. All the gear there is waiting rifles. That's
1:42:21
Speaker 1: Rob Rob from Robert Jeremy, Jeremy Williams and Sergio campus
1:42:26
Speaker 1: is it worth it is? It's good, It's pretty good.
1:42:30
Speaker 1: But is it better in here? It's it's a better
1:42:32
Speaker 1: in California's different, different fish. That's the thing about different set,
1:42:37
Speaker 1: different set of yea, you can drive two hours from
1:42:39
Speaker 1: here in totally different plug your plug your company again. Uh,
1:42:44
Speaker 1: well you guys don't talking about Ultimate Spearfishing. Ultimate spear Fishing. Yeah.
1:42:48
Speaker 1: Ultimate spear Fishing is a new project. It was a
1:42:50
Speaker 1: magazine out of South Africa. We're relaunching it on a website.
1:42:53
Speaker 1: Is the website live? It is live, It's being updated continually.
1:42:57
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's got quite a bit information about
1:43:01
Speaker 1: basic skills and spear fishing. Was originally um, like I said,
1:43:05
Speaker 1: based out of South Africa and South African divers as
1:43:08
Speaker 1: a whole are are some of the best and most
1:43:11
Speaker 1: hardcore divers out there. So yeah, there's a lot of
1:43:13
Speaker 1: good information on there um and you're bringing the digital
1:43:18
Speaker 1: bringing in a digital there's a lot of the print
1:43:20
Speaker 1: articles online now. Then we're kind of updating it with
1:43:22
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1:43:26
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1:43:29
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1:43:32
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1:43:35
Speaker 1: and people just from around the country by at mail
1:43:37
Speaker 1: order too. Yeah we're I mean, we're we're mostly a
1:43:40
Speaker 1: wholesale company, but yeah, we do. We do have a
1:43:43
Speaker 1: retail outlet in northern California and that was mostly to
1:43:45
Speaker 1: address kind of the local spear fishing community. And people
1:43:49
Speaker 1: can call you up and be like, oh, my thing
1:43:51
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Thing doesn't work. Yet. We're good at fixing stuff,
1:43:54
Speaker 1: good at troubleshooting, good kind of basic tips on where
1:43:58
Speaker 1: to go, and I dove quite a few places in
1:44:02
Speaker 1: my lifetime so far. So yeah, I know a lot
1:44:04
Speaker 1: of people kind of throughout the world and throughout the community.
1:44:06
Speaker 1: If you're traveling somewhere, I can kind of point in
1:44:08
Speaker 1: the right direction or give you some pointers, all right,
1:44:12
Speaker 1: Greg Fonts, Greg Fonts, George, don't you know your damn
1:44:17
Speaker 1: last name? Oh yeah, I just know George, not yours. Right,
1:44:26
Speaker 1: I love it. It's okay. You're welcome back into your time,
1:44:29
Speaker 1: whether you know my last name or not. All right,
1:44:34
Speaker 1: Ryan Rain very French. Thank you all right, guys, thank
1:44:43
Speaker 1: you very much. Thank you. Se