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#227 - For Azeroth!: “How Thrall got his Anxiety Back” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Victory for the Forsaken for Lord, are on for the Kirin.
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  Tor of Pandaria for calendar to the burning Legion organ.
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  Alias has not died for the sin Dora for the alliance for
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  Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
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  another episode of for Azeroth. I am one of your co-host.
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  The True Villain Manny and I am joined by lived sling spells.
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  I'm going to say that hope that doesn't change before the end of
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  the episode. But let's find out.
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  Liv how has the World of Warcraft be treating you same?
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  As always, same as always. It's just, it's just.
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  All right. Right now, we're in the pre
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  patch. They're not pre patch low.
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  We're in the, in the, we're in the final.
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  Stretch of the current expansion waiting for the new expansion.
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  The new hotness to come out. We're in Alpha, we're in, we're
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  in testing phase. All of my attention is being
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  drawn away from retail World of Warcraft into the Beta into the,
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  but not the beta yet, but the alpha and also with, with Wrath
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  of the Lich. King Classic looming on ahead.
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  My preparations for for that are well underway.
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  But yeah I wanted to talk about that a little bit because I was
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  thinking about it. I don't feel the same pressure
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  to prepare for Dragon flight that I feel to prepare for Wrath
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  of the Lich King. I just don't fly.
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  That is no. It's basically at the start of
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  the expansion on With dragonflight like, basically,
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  everything restarts like I don't have to level professions
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  because we're going to be starting from level one.
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  Anyway, the gold making that I'm going to be doing is going to be
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  completely for lack of a better phrase Dunked On by the gold
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  making that's going to be possible within the expansion
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  with the all the changes that are coming to the profession
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  system. Like there's not really much to
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  prepare for outside of just like leveling characters but I mean,
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  I've already got like a pretty good idea of the, the classes
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  that I'm interested in for Dragon flight.
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  And I've already got them leveled so like it's fine, okay.
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  You're you lying about knowing what you're going to Louisville
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  and dragons like son, huh? Like yeah, it's very purposeful
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  changes that they've made to make the game friendlier to
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  people returning friendlier to people who are new Players.
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  Right? And friendlier to people who are
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  starting late, the fact that you don't need to level through
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  classic BC wrath, all of those professions to get to like, what
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  would this be? Profession?
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  Level like 1,400 at this, something like that.
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  Like that, right, that effect, that you can just go to the, the
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  new expansion and level leveled a profession fresh from there.
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  Is completely different than what you're going to be walking
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  into in Wrath of the Lich King Classic.
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  The fact that crummy time allows you to quickly get a character
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  ready to start the new expansion.
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  Especially if you wait to the pre patch and we get the
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  system's patch and then chromey time will drop you out at level
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  60 and you won't have to go 50 to 60 through shadowlands, mmm.
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  So all of those are very conscious decisions to Now
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  people to jump into it very quickly, I what's, your
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  expectation of pre patch? Do you think we're going to be
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  getting a volkers / track, their starting experience right away.
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  Much like we had with demon Hunters.
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  I think we will. And my, my leaning towards that
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  rather than leaning towards The eventuality of us not having
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  them in the pre patch, is simply because we have them in the
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  alpha. And they were one of the first
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  things that were available in the first things that were
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  tested in the alpha was the drag Theory.
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  Not only the drag, there is a whole like as a class to
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  experience, but also the the leveling experience like the the
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  intro experience of creating a drag theater and going through
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  their intro scenario and Zone, like That being included in the
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  alphabet as early as it is. I think that they are definitely
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  pushing to get that as developed as they possibly can, so that
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  they can include that in the pre patch, okay?
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  And then, I guess while we're sort of on that topic, we've
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  been in Alpha for a little while.
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  Now, what are your feelings about how close or how secure we
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  are of getting this expansion in in before, Or the end of the
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  year that I feel differently about because there's a lot that
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  we have yet to see in terms of what, what they're going to be
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  bringing to the table for endgame.
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  We did and we'll be talking about this later.
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  We did get basically the start of the end game experience
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  unlocked with the, the current phase of the alpha that got
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  released out today or today this week.
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  We're in, we're in phase six. All of the zones have been
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  unlocked. They have granted us the ability
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  to create level 70 characters, which are going to.
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  That's the new level cap that we're going into.
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  And we've been able to create cap capped level characters that
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  we can go in Test the full talents as, as they are in the
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  current Alpha and run around and kind of try and start testing
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  out some of the open world in game systems that are going to
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  be available. Edible, including like,
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  reputations, and renowned and all that kind of stuff.
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  So, we've gotten we've gotten our hands on that but the, the
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  fleshing out of that has not really taken place yet.
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  Like, it's basically just the basics that we have that we're
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  going to be starting off the expansion with, but we like we
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  haven't started retesting we haven't started, we haven't
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  gotten her. unlike the dungeons in like a fully supported Mythic
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  plus system, like none of that's really been Given to us for
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  testing and so I think that there still is a tremendous
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  amount of work, that's got to be done on the alpha before we get
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  to that stage. And that is also not to
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  underestimate any of this. There are still so many bugs and
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  so many things with the systems in the alpha that just don't
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  work. Yet, there's, there's so a lot
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  that's got to be ironed out and it's an alpha.
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  Not not trying to understate that it is, it is an alpha, it's
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  not beta. It is nowhere near release yet,
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  but we still have four more months left in the year so who
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  knows? Who knows.
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  What about you? What are you?
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  What are your thoughts on it? Do you sit pretty much in the
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  same space or do you? Do you have a differing opinion?
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  Oh, I see things happening week-to-week.
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  I'm wondering where they go here.
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  Like you said, we're going to be talking about what, what's in
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  this week this week. I think it's a sort of a turning
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  point for the alpha because it's a matter of what features are
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  still missing and will. Again we'll talk about that.
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  I suspect that as we move into September, we still have another
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  week of August before that, I'm actually expecting after Labor
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  Day for us to move into beta, and to, then be dealing with a
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  lot of the stuff that you say is missing as well as them sort of
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  Moving away from like wild design changes and Warren to
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  fine-tuning. But we will see about that
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  because, yeah, it is. There are a lot of different
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  things that need to be addressed.
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  There's a lot of the Polish that we come to, we've come to expect
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  that still hasn't quite been lacquered on yet, and so it's
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  still very much an alpha but I think that If they can do a
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  serious pass. Yeah, we can.
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  We can like start moving towards beta and towards the true end
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  game testing as for me. What I've been doing this week
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  has been of course season. For like you, you're saying
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  we're in that low but season 4 is still going.
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  Pretty strong for me. We now had week 3 which means we
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  went through SFO. I got all of those bosses done
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  but because I was late to raid on week.
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  One, I still have one more boss to kill before.
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  I'll get my slime Kitty. So that'll have to wait a week.
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  I have not had the time to do Mythic plus.
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  Let's not even that I haven't had the time.
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  The time that I've been playing on the modern servers.
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  I've really, really been pushing gold-making because the new 9.2
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  8.7 changes hit and as chaotic as that those were I I feel it's
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  been an opportunity, anything put up sell so quickly because
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  didn't didn't have to take the auction house down for like a
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  couple of days. Not a couple of days, they was
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  like intimate issues. So of course we had maintenance,
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  it was extended maintenance that found that there was a critical
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  error. I think it was getting to the
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  point of like gold duplication issues and they had to shut down
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  the auction house. Then when they brought it up,
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  there was a couple of people who had their accounts locked while
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  they were looking through on this, which I think was just
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  like, hey, we just want to make sure that you are not like
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  getting like a bunch of illegitimately.
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  It created gold people had that dealt with then we pretty much
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  started. I don't even want to call it
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  business as usual because it has just been Wild West in the
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  auction house. Something selling way lower than
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  they should everything selling way faster than it.
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  Had been, I can imagine, like, they'll be times where I'm
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  putting up. My my third auction, only to see
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  my first to sell while I'm trying to like figure out the
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  price, there have been issues with, of course, the mods that
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  people are using that are now scanning so much more Goods, my
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  poor TS Of them is just, I will start up the game and it will
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  chug while TSM is trying to do. It's like General like, okay,
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  let's update Um and it's actually pretty exciting.
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  It is fun to like ride this crazy wave on the auction house
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  and I made like 500k and then bought a mount with it and then
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  started to make it back and then like, it's just, it's been.
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  So, like I've just been loving the auction house and I've been
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  doing that with one character, I was just like I'm going to do.
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  Herbalism Alchemy, let's go nuts.
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  And yeah, look like, it's just being a ton of fun.
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  So that's being my live experience outside of, of
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  course, the rating and the Mythic, plus then like you said,
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  we were playing on, we were playing on the alpha and this
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  week. I was checking out the changes
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  that they made to Elemental little bit of rest.
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  Oh but I've also been talking to boots.
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  Yeah and boots is being a really gung-ho about these warlock
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  things. So did a very in-depth talk
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  about that and I was saying like, you know, Affliction has
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  always been one of those. Those specs of sort of being
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  like, that seems really cool themed.
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  I'd love to try that out and Alpha.
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  As we now have, these templates, are you like decide?
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  Okay, I'm going to try this out and I'll is looking at the
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  talents that have a zero zero reference on these talents.
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  Wow, was I lost? Yeah.
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  It was like basically, basically, just sitting the
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  alpha with you going through the talents foamy and boots are
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  screaming across you at each other.
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  I don't know what's good to take an Ian's.
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  I love that that you and your like pet project of grimoire
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  sacrifice was, which I still think I still yes.
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  Still like will rail on that if you give me the opportunity to
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  the opportunity today, like okay good.
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  But but still even putting that aside going back and forth.
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  I'm like, oh, this town is good and this Talent would work here
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  and oh, I don't To do that. And so I'd love that kind of
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  differentiation and different takes on what was the exact same
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  talent tree. So, in my mind, I feel like
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  talent trees are doing what they should be, which is allowing
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  people to give their own little flavor to the spec.
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  And hopefully, with we get the balance there won't be as much
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  of cookie cutters. It'll be here.
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  Are the He liked core talents that you should take because
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  they are going to give you X utility which you must bring or
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  like everybody feels they should bring.
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  And here are the core talents in your spec tree which you need
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  this in order to have like any chance of doing like AOE or yada
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  yada mmm. And then from there, you can
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  shift more this way. You can shift more this way you
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  can put points in that way and if they do that, it's going to
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  be great. The talent trees.
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  And honestly, this is becoming a kind of a response to the
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  conversation that you had last week with the lovely Raven and
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  EJ over on girls gone. Wow.
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  You had a little conversation about talent trees and I came in
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  about halfway through and then started yelling at my computer
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  and then made a last-minute submissions because just like I
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  gotta I gotta get this off my chest but it was a good
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  conversation there. Yeah.
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  And Again, I'm not going to go super deep here, but there's
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  like a lot to talk about with talents and I do and I am
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  currently liking them though. Of course, we've got more
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  updates, but let's stop talking about just all of this and
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  skirting around the news and let's get into the news if we
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  could. So, the first thing I believe is
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  a wrath classic schedule. We got we did we have the
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  official schedule for how the Launch of Wrath of the Lich King
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  is gonna go down, including the first of the, the process of
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  Wrath of the Lich King Classic coming out, which is the pre
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  patch, which will be dropping on August 30th.
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  So all of the systems changes, everything will be going live
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  August 30th with the this. It's a Tuesday.
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  So, not this upcoming Tuesday after this episode airs, but the
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  the Tuesday after that, you'll be able to log in when the
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  server's come back up, which We're all assuming there's going
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  to be extended maintenance, which is fine.
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  It's fine, it's fine, whatever. But we'll come in.
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  Do that a week. Later will be the start of the
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  Zombie Plague event which will go from September 6 to the 13th.
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  Which will be a full seven days which we did look this up before
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  going live for the show but the original Zombie Plague event
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  started. What was it October?
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  Oh gosh. It was Art over 20 23rd.
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  Yeah, yes. Okay, so started October 23rd
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  and ended on October 27th which was only five days so the
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  original is only 5 days long, it progressed each, okay.
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  But even though it was only five days, we realized that the patch
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  went live on a Thursday, which is very odd, not their usual
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  maintenance window. And so I am given to Speculate
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  and I can't remember back in the days of 2008, but I can't
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  remember if it was just like it just took extended maintenance
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  and they lost days where they would have done this because
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  we're also looking at multiple phases happening on day one, and
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  multiple phases happening on the fourth day, right?
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  Where if those had been spread out to two additional days, it
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  would have been different each day.
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  Day and not as compressed. So I honestly believe from what
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  we were seeing that it was likely because of an extended
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  maintenance and not the extended maintenance, where we get today
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  that is maybe an hour or two longer like days of it being
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  down for this. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Which I mean it's the servers
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  have come a long way. The infrastructure is come a
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  long way so like we're good we get to reap the benefits of that
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  in in the modern era of. Wow.
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  And that's not really any different for classic wax.
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  We have a lot. downtime, with, with regard to maintenance
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  anyway but That's going into going into September 13th, which
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  is the last day of the Zombie Plague event, which goes into
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  the scourge Invasion event starting on the 13th, which will
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  last all the way until lunch. So with the, with the scourge
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  Invasion event, we're going to have several locations
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  throughout Azeroth. Having necropolises pop up and
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  will have to defeat the scourge forces in order to get some
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  powerful rewards and with regard to that, It would be a good idea
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  to go and increase your rep as high as you can get it with the
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  Argent Dawn. Now, if you want to participate
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  in this because I think you get a special, you get a special
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  tabard if you're if you're exalted with them.
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  Yeah I can see. So we'll grinding it out.
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  It is it is. All I know is people like me
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  quiz. Every time I go into Western
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  plaguelands, there are like dozens of people just camping
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  those zombies, right? Outside of the of the flight
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  area like and Graveyard right in front of ethers tomb.
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  There's dozens of people there every day.
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  Just grinding those mobs out. Like literally every spawn point
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  for every zombie that spawns there.
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  There's someone standing there just like waiting for a zombie
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  to spine and so they can kill it gets discouraged known.
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  So people are already on the grind on that.
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  Like you can if you have a paladin or a mage that it is
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  like even even just like Baseline cares and level geared,
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  you can go And just solo stratholme and sholem ants and
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  and farm skirt stones that way. Like there's there's ways that
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  you're going to be able to go and and pretty effectively, get
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  get that reputation up and like it's it's going to be a
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  no-brainer, but something a little bit different.
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  We're getting Brew Fest in the middle of all this.
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  In the middle of this. Event.
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  So starting September 20th, we get the beginning of Brew Fest
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  which will have some updated rewards that will be level 70
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  rewards for for doing like the corn dire Brew event.
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  So we'll have like all the quests and everything and there
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  will be the level 70 version of the tanker do Terror and all
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  that kind of stuff. So they'll be they'll be
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  something else to do there. And that event will go through
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  October 6th which will be after the the launch of the The
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  expansion. So we'll have, you'll have
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  plenty of time to go do that. Although I don't think that the
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  rewards for this, this Brew Fest will be scaling up to level 80
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  once that goes through. So it's just at level 70.
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  So you can, you can go through and get that stuff in the first
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  week in between September 20th and September 26th.
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  But after that it's there's not really going to be much of a
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  reason to go do that. If you're, you know, if you need
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  like an extra weapon or something like It's not
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  necessarily going to be worth it, but that weapon-- for any
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  May swears you can you can definitely jump in into the
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  dungeon grab that the Tankard of Terror and have a have a pretty
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  decent weapon for going into the, the leveling experience of
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  Wrath of the Lich King and that leads us to September 26th where
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  the official launch of Wrath of the Lich King, Classic will be
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  happening at 3 p.m. PDT so that's 3 p.m.
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  PDT. Eeyore.
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  That would be like, what? Five PM Eastern 343, a step 6.
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  Yeah, okay. So 6:00 6:00 Eastern, the clock
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  BST. Yes.
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  So, you're up, you're going to have a late night, but we also
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  got a couple more dates Arena season 5, which will be the
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  first Arena season of Wrath of the Lich King.
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  Classic will be be beginning on October.
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  Brr, fourth and fifth. So PVP years, keep that on your
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  calendar and Raiders. Keep the date, October 6th on
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  your calendar because that's when naxxramas, I have eternity
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  and obsidian sanctum opens, which all of those will be
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  opening at at 3 p.m. PDT as well.
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  So all the the whole schedule for the entirety of the launch
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  of Wrath of the Lich King Classic is is out.
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  We, we know exactly when we're going to be getting all this
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  stuff so you do have time to prepare like we Have a little
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  bit over a week before before the pre patch event begins.
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  And then after that, we've got a little less than a month before
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  getting into the actual leveling experience and just about a
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  month before getting into the first raid.
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  So, it's very exciting. Very exciting times.
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  Okay. Well, I am hoping that everybody
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  gets to enjoy wrath. I think that there were so many
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  very cool. Things in Wrath of the Lich King
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  including like the Vault of Arc of on being connected with the
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  entirety of the PVP. Like honestly, I know they've
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  changed it for for classic but it was such an event and I loved
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  like that's how I first got into like World PVP so I'm hoping it
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  continues through upsetting sanctum and doing the 33 Drake
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  was like the first raid that I just loved and being able to
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  like, actually do that when it was difficult instead of like,
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  at the end where you could get like a hunter pet or warlock to
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  tank. And everyone just wailed in on
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  that was was a lot of fun. So like I have a lot of fond
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  memories of Wrath of the Lich King.
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  I just don't have the time to like try and reclaim any of that
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  past. A of the moving forward.
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  But with that said, what I'm looking forward to is actually
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  the dragonflight alpha and Alpha Phase 6 has arrived this week.
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  We have got a number of things like we were alluding to
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  earlier. We got a new dungeon the knock
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  HUD offensive. Did I pronounce that, right?
• 25:33
  I'm not true defensive noku, defensive.
• 25:37
  Thank you. I knew I messed that one up
• 25:40
  anyways. You did fine.
• 25:43
  No no. Not even close.
• 25:48
  Anyway so that dungeon is very unique because it is very open
• 25:55
  and you get around using dragon writing in order to get from one
• 26:00
  boss, location to another boss you and I along with shoe boots
• 26:06
  and Jodha and a Pug that kept on showing up and dungeons when we
• 26:11
  needed the Healer, we got to test that out.
• 26:13
  And I found that it was very unique for a Agenda because
• 26:18
  you're very in control of the trash that you pull the the
• 26:24
  ability to fly around to get through different areas means
• 26:31
  that you can skip so much trash or land from one side or the
• 26:37
  other in order to like attack towards the middle or you know,
• 26:41
  land in the middle as long as you're all coordinated so you're
• 26:45
  like, quickly deal with, like, whatever's coming at you.
• 26:47
  You and just Hollow it out and then go for like, for the
• 26:51
  bosses. So I thought that was very
• 26:54
  unusual. It's going to be a dungeon.
• 26:58
  I almost hope that it doesn't go to Mythic plus and first season,
• 27:02
  I'm really hoping that. Yeah, get a lot of time to
• 27:06
  master dragon riding. Before we walk into this dungeon
• 27:10
  on a timer. Yeah, my feedback.
• 27:13
  My feedback. On the dungeon really comes down
• 27:16
  to The dragon riding mechanic. So here's here's the thing about
• 27:23
  dragon writing being included in the zone.
• 27:26
  Is that the The Zone itself is like the dungeon Zone itself is
• 27:31
  like relatively flat across the whole thing.
• 27:34
  Like there's a lot of places that you can get a kind of high
• 27:38
  but like the overall Topography of the dungeon is relatively
• 27:43
  flat. And so in order to get across
• 27:47
  the dungeon In you they have basically like wind tunnels
• 27:52
  placed across the nodes in that. You have to run into that, shoot
• 27:55
  you up into the air and it feels really bad to hit one of those
• 28:00
  because it completely stops your momentum.
• 28:02
  And with dragon writing momentum is everything.
• 28:05
  So every time you hit one of those wind tunnels, it just
• 28:08
  stops you in your forward momentum, and you've got to like
• 28:12
  restart it. And so if it works, it works.
• 28:17
  But it just it feels clunky. It feels really clunky okay.
• 28:23
  One, I hate that term, but it's accurate.
• 28:28
  Its accurate though, not accurate to anything.
• 28:32
  We're not going to get into an argument about clunky because
• 28:34
  there is always better words to use.
• 28:37
  However In this case, yes, it feels bad to lose your momentum
• 28:44
  in order to gain the elevation so that you can continue your
• 28:48
  flight. Therefore skilled Dragon Riders
• 28:54
  are going to only use those pillars when necessary you can
• 28:58
  bypass like half of them to get across faster especially if
• 29:04
  you're doing well enough to keep your momentum and to keep
• 29:07
  yourself moving forward. Right.
• 29:11
  Yeah, those things are there. When you don't have the Vigor to
• 29:14
  Do The Flap up to to get the height, those things are there.
• 29:18
  So you can conserve that that Vigor and therefore yes they do
• 29:24
  come at a cost of you losing your forward momentum.
• 29:28
  That is a very conscious design decision that it is a
• 29:31
  risk-reward loop that is also there.
• 29:36
  So that even if you are at zero Vigor at least you Get the
• 29:40
  height to then start flying over, which would be better than
• 29:44
  them, not being around at all or also.
• 29:49
  I don't understand how you could maintain a forward momentum
• 29:52
  while being completely trapped in a wind tunnel.
• 29:54
  That's blowing you up. Like, it also doesn't make sense
• 29:58
  that matically. No.
• 30:03
  You were just don't maintain a little bit of forward momentum.
• 30:07
  Like that's just the wind tunnel.
• 30:10
  No, you're not getting trapped but that you're not getting
• 30:13
  trapped in a wind tunnel. You're entering, try to unload.
• 30:16
  That is a fly through it. Yes.
• 30:19
  And you couldn't can't fly you, get hit that you enter it and it
• 30:24
  detects that you're there and then freezes you unnaturally
• 30:29
  like how physics would work in. That situation is You would
• 30:32
  continue forward and get a slight boost up.
• 30:37
  If there's a strong enough wind to actually, like, pull you up
• 30:40
  into a wind tunnel and in speak you up at the top but you know
• 30:44
  what? Neither is a physician or a
• 30:45
  physicist. So I'm not going to get to keep
• 30:48
  this forward. However, I just again, I just
• 30:52
  think as a mechanic, it is something that you use
• 30:55
  sparingly. If you have to, if you are going
• 30:58
  to make it without using it, then you shouldn't use it.
• 31:01
  That is a conscious choice and shows Mastery over.
• 31:05
  I'm just going to fly to whichever ones closest and just
• 31:08
  keep flying to sure. Everyone's closest, that would,
• 31:10
  that would be thoughtless. That would be without any skill.
• 31:16
  That would be impossible for you to shave time off when you want
• 31:20
  to get a faster time. Sure.
• 31:23
  Sure. And of course, all of this is
• 31:26
  going to be that that much more interesting when we reach a
• 31:28
  Mythic plus level and are trying to do these.
• 31:32
  But again this was another dungeon where I feel like the
• 31:39
  scaling was off, it felt like things dropped before we knew
• 31:43
  what they were doing. Were things would kill us before
• 31:45
  we knew what they were doing and very little in between Mmm.
• 31:50
  Yeah, it was it was very strange and I got to use the full range
• 31:54
  of the protection Warrior toolkit in order to save myself.
• 31:58
  I couldn't save anyone else but I saved myself just fine seam,
• 32:03
  seems odd. I remember you not using a
• 32:05
  rallying cry, which would have really helped to save them.
• 32:10
  So you know that moment of being a hero and saving everybody.
• 32:14
  Buddy. Well yes, I do not going to
• 32:16
  press this button. Well, you know, when, when you
• 32:19
  have a DPS cool down for the demonology, we're like you just
• 32:22
  kind of have to hold out of here.
• 32:24
  Like what's dead and we didn't need the damage.
• 32:27
  We did the survivability and also I didn't think about it at
• 32:31
  the time but you could have intercepted to absorb some
• 32:34
  damage from a cardinal take intercept.
• 32:36
  Okay. Yeah.
• 32:37
  Okay but again it's how it s great you these moments awesome
• 32:41
  and speak. I also didn't have Idea what I
• 32:44
  was doing with with protection Warrior just saying okay well
• 32:50
  the talents you could have picked that could have given you
• 32:54
  like these awesome moments. Some of them you just weren't
• 32:58
  using because you were thinking of them as a DPS cool down for
• 33:01
  two of the warlocks do know one warlock because the other one
• 33:04
  was actually distro. But yes.
• 33:07
  What are the were locks? You decided it wasn't worth
• 33:10
  saving everybody else. Sure sure but one of Of the cool
• 33:14
  things that came were actually talents.
• 33:17
  Which included monks getting their talents leaving now, just
• 33:23
  demon Hunters, I believe be, yes, only class that doesn't
• 33:26
  have talent set up and I'm totally not salty about that.
• 33:32
  I'm very, I'm very glad that you're not salty about it, but
• 33:35
  some people are salty because we have seen now, a long period of
• 33:40
  time with little communication and little updates on drew a
• 33:44
  talents. And some people are upset about
• 33:46
  that we have seen similar situations for other classes as
• 33:51
  well for like priests being. Another one that was pointed out
• 33:54
  to me. And some classes are still
• 33:58
  getting a lot of communication if we were talking about like
• 34:01
  up. Shaman, going into next.
• 34:05
  The next build is going to get a complete revamp of some things
• 34:10
  for enhancement. And last week we had adjustments
• 34:14
  for Elemental and Resto we have seen a lot of talk regarding
• 34:20
  Warriors and their talents with protection.
• 34:23
  Also having conversations about how their talents were going to
• 34:27
  change as well. And last week again, there was a
• 34:31
  conversation. Options.
• 34:32
  So the team is definitely communicating but not evenly and
• 34:38
  some people are feeling a little left out.
• 34:41
  I think that it's I don't want to complain.
• 34:47
  I mean like I'm of course, one of the halves and not one of the
• 34:51
  halves not. So my bias is evident.
• 34:54
  But when I look at that for like let's take the worst case
• 34:58
  scenario, which is the jurors. They were one of the first
• 35:01
  Classes to get their their talent revamp.
• 35:05
  And it's being literally zero blue posts in their class
• 35:11
  feedback on the alpha u.s. alpha forms.
• 35:15
  I still I guess say that that is a better position to be in than
• 35:20
  demon Hunters who have received nothing at all.
• 35:25
  Great. And I don't expect that to go on
• 35:28
  forever. I think in general What in your
• 35:32
  mind from? Like your knowledge and I don't
• 35:35
  expect you to know every Talent. What would you say are the Specs
• 35:41
  or classes in the roughest shape right now, in terms of where
• 35:45
  their talent tree is. Of course, again, excluding
• 35:48
  demon Hunters do next one, excluding Demon Hunter because
• 35:51
  they don't have one. No, I think right now monks are
• 35:57
  in the worst spot because they're, they're diverse talent
• 36:01
  tree, just got in an integrated into the alpha, and it is,
• 36:06
  there's a lot of it. That's not yet implemented.
• 36:09
  So there's Like there's a good number of talents and things to
• 36:16
  test, but there's a lot of stuff in that in all three of the
• 36:20
  trees that just don't really, they're not completely full and
• 36:26
  like, even going back and looking at some of the other
• 36:29
  talent trees, like Shaman like warlock.
• 36:32
  There's a lot of stuff that there is something on the talent
• 36:36
  tree that you can select, that just isn't implemented.
• 36:40
  And yet. And so I think it's pretty even
• 36:44
  across the board with the exception of Monk who was
• 36:46
  literally just added. So with that being said, I think
• 36:52
  that they've been taking the approach of the squeakiest wheel
• 36:57
  gets the oil with regard to this because like they introduced the
• 37:02
  hunter talents a couple weeks back and it was very painfully
• 37:07
  obvious that there was a lot that they got wrong.
• 37:10
  With their initial pass on the hundred talents.
• 37:13
  And so they've been, they've been doing a lot of work to get
• 37:17
  those. I think, every week without
• 37:18
  exception every week, they've had a major update to to one or
• 37:23
  more of the specializations for Hunter.
• 37:27
  Because it was bad, it was it was not in a good spot.
• 37:33
  Like, not not numbers. Why I like obviously this is
• 37:35
  this is not thinking about numbers at all because we a, we
• 37:38
  don't have the numbers outside of a couple of people like
• 37:41
  awning log. Wait stuff.
• 37:43
  But like yes, this is purely on the feel of everything.
• 37:47
  Like just, how does it feel to play?
• 37:49
  How does it feel to press the buttons?
• 37:51
  And how does it feel to construct a plausible build out
• 37:57
  of what is available? All that into consideration
• 38:02
  Hunters were in a desperate spot and that has now been filled by
• 38:07
  Monk who is now in the more desperate spot, whereas I feel
• 38:11
  like death knight and Druid, which were the first two that
• 38:15
  were introduced. They got some pretty early
• 38:17
  stuff. Early changes with the first
• 38:21
  build of the alpha. So like what we saw in the
• 38:24
  original post and what we actually got in the alpha when
• 38:28
  when it initially. Came out which included the both
• 38:32
  of those classes drew a death knight and also the invoker we
• 38:35
  did see some some pretty significant changes in that but
• 38:40
  there hasn't been there hasn't really been anything since for
• 38:45
  Druid specifically. So I think the reason for that
• 38:50
  is that There are more pressing matters to tend to because
• 38:57
  they've not to say that they've got Druid in a good place.
• 39:01
  Like and that's not what I'm saying at all.
• 39:03
  Because all of these, all of these talent trees are in
• 39:07
  constant flux. Like, all of them are in this
• 39:11
  state of kind of Schrodinger's talents.
• 39:15
  Whether whether or not, they're good or bad or like, you know
• 39:20
  what? What have you we're there.
• 39:23
  They're not able to determine the state of the talents until
• 39:29
  they're observed by the population.
• 39:31
  So and they've got a they've got to make the Judgment call
• 39:38
  internally where they want to spend their time and their focus
• 39:44
  to get the the talents kind of ironed out.
• 39:47
  So I think, I think they've been not neglecting Druid but that
• 39:51
  there have been other things. That have presented themselves
• 39:56
  as needs more attention. quicker than Druid because there's more
• 40:05
  or there's less that are less sweeping changes that need to be
• 40:08
  made to Drew it in their book but I could be wrong on that I
• 40:12
  could be wrong on that read. Okay I don't know.
• 40:15
  Okay so Obviously, Druids haven't seen updates from time
• 40:23
  to time to time and there hasn't been the communication.
• 40:26
  And so a lot of the Druid players are just like weird art,
• 40:30
  are you even there like them? Are we talking into a void?
• 40:33
  Because they're not not talking back and I wish there was a
• 40:38
  general at least communication about like what was being
• 40:42
  thought about. Because when you get the
• 40:44
  developers notes in that, that is so helpful.
• 40:48
  Well, as like it helps guide, what should be, what the mindset
• 40:55
  is, what the mindset, should be, or what?
• 40:58
  The I the thought process is behind these tools, these tools
• 41:02
  elections. So, like when you're talking
• 41:03
  about like, Monk and it being like rough State, like
• 41:06
  immediately, I think back to the developer node, right?
• 41:09
  And the developer note for it was saying that it was like a
• 41:13
  Early Access version. Like obviously there's a lot
• 41:17
  that still needs to be in the There.
• 41:18
  But they wanted to let people get a preview of what they
• 41:23
  wanted to do. It's like when the Druid tree
• 41:25
  was shown before. The alpha came out there was
• 41:30
  like some of these stuff are actually changing the internal
• 41:34
  version and we're working through on this, but we wanted
• 41:36
  people to take a look at it and that's where we got the look at
• 41:39
  like, oh, this is what healer tree kind of looks like this,
• 41:43
  right? Like that's those were the
• 41:44
  initial trees and that's what went live in.
• 41:48
  In the phase 1 Alpha that we we got to play.
• 41:53
  So when I'm looking at like the early build for this what I'm
• 41:58
  looking at seeing they are like not yet implemented talents.
• 42:03
  There are things that people have data mind, like a third
• 42:08
  statue that is supposedly going to be a wind walker DPS statue,
• 42:14
  which is not something we've seen before and there is Is
• 42:18
  currently a model that people have data mined for it, but no
• 42:22
  ability attached to it. So people are like coming up
• 42:24
  with their own abilities and that sort of stuff and wondering
• 42:28
  what it could be. And I think just a little more
• 42:31
  guidance or feedback or just Conversation with the developers
• 42:39
  would completely Focus. The, the thoughts, the feedback
• 42:47
  that they're getting, but that requires people who are working
• 42:53
  on this to actually be having those conversations.
• 42:57
  Like, again, the developer notes are so handy for this, right?
• 43:03
  They give you that context that very needed needed context when
• 43:08
  I think about, like the old developer water.
• 43:11
  Coolest, you remember back in Legion where they would put
• 43:13
  like, hey here's our thoughts on, like what we're doing with
• 43:16
  this because they were completely reworking, these
• 43:20
  classes and specs, Like okay, well we're gonna have no more
• 43:26
  poisons for two of the Rogue specs and it's just like what in
• 43:29
  the world are you thinking? And it's like, because we want
• 43:32
  this spec to be focused here, we want this spec to be focusing
• 43:35
  on, we want to differentiate a differentiate that, right?
• 43:38
  And then, you can think of a young live back in the day,
• 43:42
  looking at that and rather than being like, what in the world
• 43:45
  they thinking able to give the feedback of listen, guys, I feel
• 43:48
  like you're making like 36 different in different classes.
• 43:52
  is here and then that be feedback that they could give
• 43:56
  rather than Years later, you saying it and then the
• 44:01
  developers being like, yeah, I guess we kind of differentiated
• 44:04
  the class is way more than we should have, and it's like,
• 44:06
  okay, well, if you'd given that, if you would given that guide,
• 44:11
  you would have gotten a feedback earlier, you may have thought of
• 44:14
  this. And then instead of having the
• 44:15
  clot back in to expansion expansion since then, so I think
• 44:22
  monk in terms of hey looking at this week.
• 44:24
  Yeah it seems like one of the roughest of the ones.
• 44:28
  It's that are introduced but they very clearly said.
• 44:31
  This is an early access version, right?
• 44:34
  Yeah, this is, this is A lot of stuff that is not there, but
• 44:39
  this is what we're thinking about it.
• 44:41
  We want you to be able to do like, oh I'm going to be like
• 44:44
  the heavy Brew style brewmaster or I'm going to be like the Wily
• 44:50
  martial arts sort of thing, right?
• 44:53
  And actually being able to play off those two different aspects
• 44:56
  of a brewmaster Monk and that sort of thing.
• 44:59
  I think that that is very constructive puts the feedback
• 45:04
  and so no, I don't agree with monks.
• 45:07
  The most in dire need because I feel like they're already
• 45:12
  getting that attention and we'll see it soon.
• 45:14
  But communication is the key point there.
• 45:18
  Yeah. And to be fair, I think like on
• 45:22
  the note of what we're seeing is like a couple of builds behind
• 45:26
  where they are internally like that range true for everything.
• 45:30
  So there I would imagine that there's a lot of changes that
• 45:34
  are going because they're they're turning out.
• 45:37
  Ages week over week and even even making changes within
• 45:41
  within a week on the alpha. And so I think a lot of what
• 45:47
  we're actually seeing isn't attention, being focused in
• 45:51
  reaction to these these class talents being posted in the
• 45:57
  alpha. And rather, they've already had
• 46:00
  these kind of things or had an idea of what they want to
• 46:05
  implement into the alpha already figured out.
• 46:07
  And through testing, they're able to identify exactly what
• 46:13
  needs to be like, what knobs need to be turned in order to
• 46:17
  get what they're what they're actually going for implemented.
• 46:20
  So that's, that's where I would say.
• 46:23
  This actually is coming from rather than rather than their
• 46:30
  looking looking at feedback as it's coming in like they're
• 46:34
  already ahead of it. Yeah, in some ways but The
• 46:37
  feedback definitely Yelps and there will obviously be things
• 46:41
  that they may not have realized and therefore the feedback
• 46:46
  allows them to be like okay well in a future build we should also
• 46:50
  work on that obviously. So I hope that some of these
• 46:55
  classes that have gone without interaction will get some more
• 46:59
  but that's not all that we have seen with this build because
• 47:04
  we've also had the Major factions that have been added
• 47:09
  into this build and these are the factions that were going to
• 47:13
  be using the new renowned system that's going to be brought over
• 47:18
  from shadowlands and modified rip to human diplomacy.
• 47:22
  You were valid once and now I don't know what you're going to
• 47:25
  do but we've got the valve drakon Accord.
• 47:30
  We've got the dragon scale Exposition we got the Scara
• 47:35
  tusker and The Marek centaur. I'm not entirely sure if I find
• 47:42
  it. Is the muruga.
• 47:44
  Okay, perfect, perfect. Okay.
• 47:46
  And so now we're going we've been able to access that and
• 47:52
  those are going to be the four factions that people are going
• 47:57
  to be able to build a renowned, get the rewards through that
• 48:00
  entire scale and that leads us into actually discussing the
• 48:07
  renowned system. But Before we do, we'd like, to
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  Okay. And so with that said, we now
• 48:47
  have the new dragonflight renowned system and a details
• 48:51
  for each of these. So live, explain this all to me,
• 48:55
  okay? So with these with these with
• 48:59
  this week's not these weeks, just this one weeks Alpha
• 49:03
  update. We've now got all of the, the
• 49:06
  leveling quests and all of that implemented, all of the zones
• 49:10
  that will be leveling through our, in the I'm now in the alpha
• 49:15
  and we're starting to take a look at the in game systems that
• 49:18
  are being implemented in dragonflight.
• 49:20
  And with that, they have started making some pretty sweeping
• 49:25
  changes to the renowned system and the reputation system as a
• 49:28
  whole. So, a couple of things to note
• 49:33
  about how this will work is that reputation still exists but it
• 49:37
  is rather just what the experience.
• 49:43
  Violent like will have renowned as, as the system.
• 49:47
  So we'll be leveling through renowned ranks, but reputation
• 49:50
  is basically the experience like reputation is to renowned as
• 49:56
  experience is two levels. So each level of renown will
• 50:02
  require 1000 reputation to achieve.
• 50:07
  So something to note here is that With, with reputations
• 50:14
  prior to this, it's basically taken 42,000 reputation to hit
• 50:20
  exalted with a given faction, which in this system would be
• 50:26
  putting the renowned at an equivalent level of 42.
• 50:32
  So, With that said, the renowned levels that we have on the
• 50:39
  alpha, are we already know what the what the renowned levels for
• 50:42
  each of these factions is going to be so for their marouk
• 50:45
  Centaur the renowned cap is 24. The dragon scale Expedition.
• 50:50
  The renowned cap is 25 and for both the escarra tuskar and the
• 50:55
  eval Dragon Accord, it will be renowned level 30.
• 51:00
  There will be multiple ways to gain reputation through through
• 51:05
  playing in Dragon flight, there will be a weekly quest, which
• 51:10
  will be like, not like the Lion Share of reputation, not by any
• 51:13
  stretch of the imagination, but it's a nice little bonus that
• 51:16
  you can work towards throughout the week.
• 51:18
  That will be a quest to collect 3,000 reputation.
• 51:22
  You can think of reputation now is kind of our animal
• 51:26
  equivalent. It's what will be kind of
• 51:28
  dealing in. Although it won't be like a
• 51:31
  currency will be able to do anything.
• 51:32
  It's just gaining reputation. So it's just going to be
• 51:36
  something that we get passive. And for completing that quest of
• 51:39
  getting 3000 reputation, you get 200 reputation for all of the
• 51:44
  Dragon Isles factions. So all four of them, you'll just
• 51:48
  get a free 200-day. Lee quests will be available and
• 51:53
  will be granting 75 reputation for each daily Quest turn in for
• 51:57
  the faction that issues the First and then we'll also have a
• 52:02
  couple of new things including what are called a prime list
• 52:05
  invasions and Centaur hunts that will also contribute to to your
• 52:10
  reputation gains as well. The prime was invasions which
• 52:15
  we'll be talking about those a little bit later on in the
• 52:17
  episode in a little bit greater detail but the the events
• 52:22
  basically will scale skill their reputation on the the event.
• 52:29
  He did and so, or your participation in said event, so
• 52:36
  we don't know exactly how much reputation will be getting from
• 52:39
  those two sources in particular, but it is going to be a pretty
• 52:43
  pretty sizeable chunk of the, the reputation that you'll be
• 52:46
  getting week over week is going to be from these invasions, and
• 52:49
  from the center hunts. And so, yeah, there's a lot a
• 52:55
  lot going on with reputations and a lot that has changed.
• 53:00
  I'm mostly interested in the fact that we only have like four
• 53:07
  for those two factions that. I mean it's the tube like
• 53:10
  biggest factions, right? Is this car at us car?
• 53:12
  And the Val Dragon record. They have a renowned cap of 30
• 53:17
  currently on the alpha and that seems it seems kind of low.
• 53:22
  I don't know. The issue like yeah low.
• 53:28
  But all of these are about not being such a grind, not being
• 53:34
  like a thousand different things on the alpha right now, these
• 53:40
  are just flat-out, renowned they are things where you open it up
• 53:46
  and it looks like the Bastion art panel is still being used
• 53:51
  just as of working it. That's like that's how how
• 53:55
  messed up they are or not even messed up how early they are.
• 53:59
  Hmm, But I think that the biggest thing about this is that
• 54:06
  they aren't supposed to be a huge grind that you put it
• 54:10
  through, think about it, if you are doing a thousand per level
• 54:14
  and you're getting 75 per World quest, that means that you're
• 54:18
  doing. So we're doing math in my head,
• 54:21
  that means you're doing around 13 less than 14 more than 13.
• 54:26
  World quests per repair, Renown, which means you should roughly
• 54:32
  be getting a renowned. I'd say, in a week with not
• 54:35
  heavy play, I don't expect there to be like, 14 up in a single
• 54:39
  day, but with for quests, sorry, rather for different reputations
• 54:46
  and being and being able to get the renowned is especially if
• 54:50
  they if you don't do anything else.
• 54:52
  Yeah, I could see like oh I played this week.
• 54:55
  I got a renowned. I get a little Shiny treasure
• 54:57
  for it and each rank of renown has some little reward.
• 55:02
  Whether you're getting a cosmetic, like the tusks are
• 55:05
  have like little tuskar head wear hats, whether you're
• 55:09
  getting something that is a little bit of a toy or something
• 55:13
  like that but none of these are power.
• 55:18
  They're not, they're not player power like, oh, here is some
• 55:24
  memory that you need in order to To like actually make your
• 55:27
  classwork, or, or your spec work and that means that.
• 55:32
  Yeah, you could do this when you're done, everything else.
• 55:36
  If you so choose you this could be a consequence or a side
• 55:40
  effect rather of you just playing the game to do other
• 55:44
  things you're out and you're farming leather and you walk
• 55:47
  into the invasion and you like, oh okay.
• 55:50
  I'm gonna do the primordial Invasion helped with my friends
• 55:53
  who happen to be here or random people that happen to be here.
• 55:56
  And it gets Reward. And then you, you complete that
• 55:59
  you're like, oh that ticked me over.
• 56:01
  Let me go pick up this sort of thing and I think that's more.
• 56:04
  What this is instead of where it was like, okay, we need to
• 56:11
  upgrade our soul binds and are conduits, and all of that.
• 56:14
  So, renowned was the grind as it was in chattel, and it seems
• 56:19
  like they very much trying to remove grinding, especially when
• 56:23
  you said, hey, it's the old Old reputations, were equivalent to
• 56:28
  having Renown of 42 and the most highest level of these cap out
• 56:35
  at 30. And none of them are.
• 56:38
  I need to hit Level 30 anytime soon.
• 56:43
  I wonder, I wonder if they're intending on adding additional
• 56:48
  factions later on down the road. Sure.
• 56:52
  And how that will change because, like the way that
• 56:55
  everything's kind of set up right now is that like with the
• 56:58
  weekly Quest like you'll always be able to count on that in
• 57:01
  order to get just that passive income of reputation week over
• 57:08
  week. And so, I mean, like collecting
• 57:11
  3000 reputation Feel like you can easily do in like to play
• 57:16
  sessions. If if they're implementing daily
• 57:20
  quests and they've got like World quest.
• 57:23
  Still available at some level, like it's going to be like
• 57:29
  relatively relatively simple and with like World bosses, like
• 57:32
  surely surely, that's going to contribute to it as well.
• 57:35
  Like there's there's probably going to be You know, but it's
• 57:41
  not going to be unreasonable to get through 3,000 reputation in
• 57:46
  in a week, like not not by any stretch.
• 57:48
  So I feel like it's setting up to be something that is is just
• 57:55
  like Rewarding in and of itself to do, but not feel like it's,
• 58:02
  it's necessary. Yeah, it's not a Daily Grind out
• 58:06
  a Daily Grind and that's what they're avoiding.
• 58:08
  But like the other part to it is, I haven't seen callings or
• 58:13
  emissaries, right? That used to be like the okay,
• 58:17
  well, login. What's the Emissary today?
• 58:19
  This is what I need to do today. That's not on the alpha.
• 58:24
  Right now, you could do this all on a weekend, be like I'm going
• 58:28
  to go push and get 3000 rep to do that.
• 58:32
  To that one quest for 200 and put it towards the one of my
• 58:36
  choosing on Saturday. Because I've got a lot of time
• 58:39
  on Saturday or Manny has been keeping me waiting so long and I
• 58:45
  didn't get to play on Saturday. So now I got to squeeze this in
• 58:48
  on Monday and then you do it on Monday, grumbling about your
• 58:52
  stupid co-host entire time. But like you don't lose out
• 58:56
  because of it and I think that's them put applying the lessons
• 59:02
  from 9.2 and nine point one point five into this core part
• 59:08
  of the expansion because everybody's been asking what are
• 59:11
  we doing at the end game and it's like, what do you want to
• 59:14
  do? That's what I think the answer
• 59:16
  is. What do you want to?
• 59:17
  Do you want to spend time doing professions?
• 59:19
  Do you want to work on this renowned or that Renown.
• 59:23
  And all of these? Belittle achievable things.
• 59:25
  Like, okay, let me go get the missing. 600 rep that I need to
• 59:31
  get this renowned and oh, cool. I got this little thing and that
• 59:35
  can be your play Loop within that.
• 59:37
  So I think that should be a lot of fun and for the people who
• 59:41
  are after the power grind, we still got Mythic plus, we still
• 59:46
  got rated PVP, we still got rating for those people who want
• 59:51
  to do the power grind and a new Challenger.
• 59:54
  Reproaches. Crafting graph is going to be a
• 59:59
  big source of power in this expansion to get the materials
• 1:00:04
  to build or have built the perfect crafted weapon or armor
• 1:00:11
  or whatever you may want to finally collect that last piece
• 1:00:15
  of the Darkmoon deck and get that trinket.
• 1:00:19
  Those are those all our options through there but the other
• 1:00:24
  thing that might come up while you're playing.
• 1:00:27
  That you mentioned before is the prime list invasions and so I'm
• 1:00:30
  going to talk a little bit about that here.
• 1:00:33
  So Primal is invasions are one of the main events that players
• 1:00:37
  that are participating in the open world content.
• 1:00:39
  A 10 game will do for dragonflight, this is kind of
• 1:00:45
  like in my mind, the assaults from BFA, where they would show
• 1:00:50
  up in one part of a Zone and be there for a while, these were
• 1:00:56
  will Be in two zones where they will have an evasion active and
• 1:01:01
  they will last for about six hours before shifting into
• 1:01:04
  another Invasion. Those invasions are themed after
• 1:01:08
  the elements that the Primal list use.
• 1:01:11
  So you're going to have water earth air fire and then you know
• 1:01:15
  the Airbender appears the type of invasion is going to flavor
• 1:01:23
  not only the creatures that you come across.
• 1:01:26
  Us, but also the area that's going to be there.
• 1:01:31
  When you have the invasions, it's going to like again, take
• 1:01:36
  over that that area. That's the same thing that we
• 1:01:39
  dealt with in the BFA invasions or assault, faction, assaults,
• 1:01:44
  and immerse the Naga invasions. Yeah, and with the with the
• 1:01:47
  legion invasions as well, like we have a higher T of the Zone
• 1:01:53
  with the legion invasions this this is only to be part of the
• 1:01:56
  zone, is it not? It is in the Legion of Asians
• 1:01:59
  they, they were So it was the same area in each one like it
• 1:02:04
  wasn't like they had World quest that were corrupted in the zone,
• 1:02:08
  but there were like very specific set places in the zones
• 1:02:12
  that were like, the, the target areas that that you went
• 1:02:16
  through. And so, in that way, that'll be
• 1:02:20
  more similar to to what's going on with these, where it's like,
• 1:02:24
  they would have a match if the zone that, like, in the Legion
• 1:02:29
  of Asians, it was just like, okay, this Has fell.
• 1:02:31
  Now, this is going to be 44 in for a water one.
• 1:02:36
  There will be a lot of water Elementals.
• 1:02:38
  There will be a lot of like water totems everywhere.
• 1:02:42
  It'll be very watery as opposed to like an air one where it'll
• 1:02:47
  be the same thing, but for Air instead of water and it'll be
• 1:02:51
  like, like there will be like hi gusting winds everywhere and the
• 1:02:56
  water one. There will be like rains like
• 1:02:58
  heavy rains happening in the fire.
• 1:03:00
  When they'll just be like Patches of roaming fire going
• 1:03:03
  around the area. So there's there's like a lot of
• 1:03:09
  a lot of like aesthetic changes that will be happening to the
• 1:03:13
  zones that are being invaded by by these private list invasions
• 1:03:18
  Yeah, but like is it going to be like Legion where every World
• 1:03:24
  quest that was active deactivates and is replaced by
• 1:03:28
  only a set of these Primus Invasion Quest?
• 1:03:32
  And that's all you can do or is it going to be like BFA where a
• 1:03:38
  p, an area will get new world quest but outside of that area,
• 1:03:43
  you can still do the world quest that were already up.
• 1:03:47
  Because though, that's the Difference Maker, it's a
• 1:03:50
  selection of his own carved out. I do think it would be good to
• 1:03:55
  continue on with the rest of this before we start talking
• 1:03:57
  about that because I think that the rest of what's going on with
• 1:04:00
  the prime less, invasions May answer that question or may
• 1:04:03
  complicate that question. Okay?
• 1:04:06
  So as you said, we have the different types.
• 1:04:10
  So, with the current implementation, there are no
• 1:04:13
  concrete objectives, just a change in flavor of the mobs in
• 1:04:17
  the area invasion, is there in The Invasion area.
• 1:04:22
  That can be farmed for currency. Yes.
• 1:04:25
  Okay. So there aren't any objectives
• 1:04:29
  with the with the, The Invasion itself.
• 1:04:32
  It's just there are now mobs there and there will be two
• 1:04:37
  different currencies that will be farming.
• 1:04:39
  These mobs for the that will overflow and the storm
• 1:04:45
  schedules. Yeah, yes.
• 1:04:47
  So we'll have those two. That will be like the main
• 1:04:49
  purpose of going and doing these invasions will be be to farm out
• 1:04:54
  the over the elemental overflow and the storm signals that will
• 1:04:59
  then turn in for gear. Okay, I so you you would go in
• 1:05:07
  and instead of it being like a camp of of the fur Borges, it
• 1:05:14
  will be a camp of wind for a Borges or fire tuskar or
• 1:05:21
  whatever. And then you will Farm those two
• 1:05:25
  to get the currency while this is active.
• 1:05:29
  Okay, that seems cool. Cool.
• 1:05:31
  I really hope that there are chances that, like, obviously,
• 1:05:35
  they say that, the elemental overflow is going to be the
• 1:05:38
  common one, where you just Farm it at like it, as long as it's
• 1:05:41
  active, and the storm signals are going to be the more rare
• 1:05:44
  one. I would also love to see when
• 1:05:46
  psyche, certain certain animals, let's say are affected by the
• 1:05:53
  elements that that would change the resource that you could skin
• 1:05:57
  from them or like nodes within that system.
• 1:06:00
  Also get Should would be very cool to like, get some more rare
• 1:06:05
  rear stuff, where you're like, oh, I'm here, but not for the
• 1:06:09
  currency. I want to get like super heated.
• 1:06:15
  dragon scale off of the offer this thing because I need that
• 1:06:20
  as a rare reagent, I think that would be kind of cool to mix in
• 1:06:23
  with with that regardless though, I do like this, the like
• 1:06:30
  you said the current item level on the alpha is 382 gear That is
• 1:06:38
  very high because that is higher than you would get out of heroic
• 1:06:41
  dungeons. Mmm.
• 1:06:45
  And if I would say, is likely something you would be getting
• 1:06:47
  out of Mythic dungeons higher than Ella far, maybe his.
• 1:06:52
  And that's just started their higher from a fellow far.
• 1:06:54
  In previous expansions, obviously Alpha being Alpha and
• 1:06:57
  things could change. Yeah, and this is just from the
• 1:07:00
  elemental overflow. So the storm Central gear is at
• 1:07:03
  395. So 39 and levels higher than
• 1:07:08
  what you're able to get with the elemental, overflow currency.
• 1:07:12
  But my three levels below the normal eye level for Vault, so
• 1:07:18
  running this stuff and getting Enough of the storm sigils of
• 1:07:22
  which you can only have four per week. 1 / invasion type still
• 1:07:28
  will allow you as a solo player to have gear.
• 1:07:31
  That is virtually on par with normal eye level.
• 1:07:34
  Raid gear. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:37
  And so the costs for these which these are subject to change as
• 1:07:42
  always but for and I feel like it's more important to talk
• 1:07:45
  about the storm surge ones, because we are gated on how many
• 1:07:49
  we get per week. But basically bracers built in
• 1:07:53
  cloaks will cost five shoulders boots and gloves will cost seven
• 1:07:57
  Helms likes and chests will cost 10 and weapons will cost 13.
• 1:08:01
  So in order to get one 1395 weapon from Storm sigils, you
• 1:08:07
  will have to basically do this for five weeks.
• 1:08:14
  For weeks for weeks. Yeah just over 3 3 would be the
• 1:08:18
  12th one. Yes and on.
• 1:08:21
  Yeah um okay but like that's if you're going for a weapon and
• 1:08:27
  this is your only thing again like In two weeks you have more
• 1:08:36
  than enough to pick up belt bracers gloves, right?
• 1:08:42
  On the fourth week, you have enough left over to go pick up a
• 1:08:50
  shoulder boots, or or gloves, Right.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah. Sorry third week because you
• 1:08:59
  would get for and you'd have three left over from your
• 1:09:01
  previous spending. So this is some pretty decent
• 1:09:04
  way of catching up to get some pieces of gear.
• 1:09:08
  And again like if this is your only source, obviously, this is
• 1:09:13
  not going to be breaking the bank for Raiders or people doing
• 1:09:16
  Mythic plus. But this is solid stuff.
• 1:09:20
  For people who are solo players, who don't do instant content,
• 1:09:25
  who maybe are just working. Now leveling all 10 are like, oh
• 1:09:29
  like I'm gonna go running there and do this on this.
• 1:09:33
  Alt that might just farm for materials or be a professional.
• 1:09:39
  Alt because that will allow you to then have gear to then be
• 1:09:44
  stronger and able to do these sort of things.
• 1:09:47
  It's like It's again, allowing the game to play for different
• 1:09:55
  audiences and I really do appreciate that.
• 1:10:00
  Um yeah, I'm liking this as options and as like again if you
• 1:10:08
  what you want to choose to do at any given time and because it's
• 1:10:12
  capped at 41 / invasion, that means you're not going to feel
• 1:10:16
  bad if you miss the error Invasion.
• 1:10:20
  Today because you'll have how many more chances to go pick up
• 1:10:26
  an air one later and you can pick up an earth.
• 1:10:29
  One. On let's say Tuesday and a are
• 1:10:35
  one on like Thursday and like, hey, you happen to log in at the
• 1:10:40
  end of the are one, right? And you, you still have some
• 1:10:44
  more time. Well then, you know, it flips
• 1:10:46
  over to another one and you might be able to pick up to
• 1:10:49
  within a single play experience in the middle of week.
• 1:10:52
  And then on the weekend to pick up the last two.
• 1:10:57
  So like there's a lot that goes through through on this.
• 1:11:00
  And again, if Miss one, you're not, you're not like, oh my
• 1:11:06
  goodness, I'll never catch up because it's only one of four
• 1:11:09
  that you could pick up in that way because I think this is,
• 1:11:11
  yeah, this is a good system for solo players.
• 1:11:15
  It's not something that I'm going to be doing past the first
• 1:11:19
  week, I believe. Just because where it's
• 1:11:22
  positioned and the rate of acquisition is not meant to be
• 1:11:26
  competitive with rating and with Mythic lesson with PVP.
• 1:11:31
  But I'm glad that there's an option there.
• 1:11:34
  Yeah. And like the big thing with it
• 1:11:37
  is going to be getting the 382 item level gear from the for the
• 1:11:40
  elemental overflow. Like, that's going to be where
• 1:11:43
  the bulk of your power comes from because like the only time
• 1:11:46
  limit or I mean, the only limit on how much Elemental overflow
• 1:11:50
  you can get in a single invasion, is how much time you
• 1:11:53
  have to kill as many mobs as possible to in order to get that
• 1:11:57
  currency. So that's going to be where like
• 1:12:00
  the Bulk of the power that you're going to get out of it.
• 1:12:03
  So there's going to be a lot of people that are like, gunning in
• 1:12:07
  week. One, just to, like, get like the
• 1:12:09
  last couple of pieces, they need like in between their heroic
• 1:12:15
  item level drops and going into like doing their first round of
• 1:12:19
  Mythic zeros in the dungeons, they'll be able to like look and
• 1:12:26
  see. Okay, I really need, I really
• 1:12:28
  need those shoulders. So let me go like I'm going to
• 1:12:31
  wait. For the next Invasion, I'm going
• 1:12:32
  to go grind out because each shoulder is going to cost 350.
• 1:12:36
  So I'm going to go to the next Invasion.
• 1:12:38
  Getting a group grind out, 350 Elemental, overflow by those and
• 1:12:43
  boom. Now, I can go in and start start
• 1:12:47
  doing Mythic plus and start, you know, grinding out, grinding out
• 1:12:52
  those because I'm comfortable with where my, my gear level is
• 1:12:56
  at this point. So that's going to be, that's
• 1:12:59
  going to be where like the Main focus in the, in those first
• 1:13:02
  couple of weeks is going to be not with the storm sigils.
• 1:13:07
  I just, I am not a fan of the gear.
• 1:13:12
  This is an audio program. So I will not be like saying too
• 1:13:19
  much about it and I'll avoid retching on on radio because
• 1:13:25
  it's Gail gear is, it's gross. But hey, Anyways, I'm not yeah,
• 1:13:36
  because this is not something I'll be doing for transmog,
• 1:13:39
  anytime soon. Anyways, but yeah, I'm glad it
• 1:13:43
  exists as like a option there. With that said, I want to take
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• 1:14:15
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• 1:14:19
  With that said, how about we talk a little bit about lore
• 1:14:24
  because we had Steve the new sir dropping a little blue post
• 1:14:29
  here. So tell us about this.
• 1:14:31
  Yeah so Steve deducer jumped into the the forums where he
• 1:14:38
  very rarely posts. I think I think on his account
• 1:14:40
  he's got like three posts total but he did he did pop in to
• 1:14:46
  weigh in on a thread that was talking about just talking about
• 1:14:51
  a It time skip. That is imminent with
• 1:14:55
  dragonflight and there's been a lot of speculation as to whether
• 1:14:59
  or not a daytime skip was going to happen and this thread was
• 1:15:02
  basically the culmination of like two years of shadowlands,
• 1:15:06
  quote-unquote discourse where things got a little bit, a
• 1:15:11
  little bit heated, I guess but Steve jumped in to clear up a
• 1:15:16
  couple of things and basically told us that there's always a
• 1:15:22
  little bit of a Time skip in between each expansion starting
• 1:15:27
  in about one to two years. And this expansion this gap
• 1:15:33
  between shadowlands and dragon flight is going to be a little
• 1:15:36
  bit different but that it won't really have too much impact on
• 1:15:39
  what's going on in the story. Basically, what he told us is
• 1:15:42
  that we've got a three year gap between the end of Shadow lands
• 1:15:46
  and the beginning of dragon flight.
• 1:15:49
  And he gave a couple of really, really good reasons as to why
• 1:15:54
  they wanted to do this, the first of which is that they
• 1:15:58
  wanted to give the citizens of Azeroth, a little bit of
• 1:16:01
  breathing room because there's been a lot.
• 1:16:05
  It's been a lot going on in the last, like I don't even remember
• 1:16:10
  off the top of my head, but like, basically, since the dark
• 1:16:13
  portal opened, no one has gotten to sleep.
• 1:16:17
  Well, they they Basically burning Crusade, right?
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  You know, when the dark portal opened and everything went nuts
• 1:16:24
  that was 26 years after the dark portal opening, and of course,
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  and we've had things that have happened.
• 1:16:31
  Like, let's say, relatively calm times of of vanilla, wow, which
• 1:16:37
  included the first old God? Reawakening for the gates of
• 1:16:41
  Hank. Raj, the, the ogres and for
• 1:16:44
  Alice gonna getting a little Homicidal and try to kill
• 1:16:50
  everything. What else happened there?
• 1:16:52
  You know, true, like new, a true horde Invasion coming out of
• 1:16:57
  Blackrock Mountain. The entire thing with with
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  dragons taking over the crown and Stormwind, you know, those
• 1:17:05
  relatively peaceful years, let's skip over those relatively
• 1:17:08
  peaceful years and then they talk about the burning Crusade
• 1:17:11
  at year 26. And then we go into how let's
• 1:17:16
  say panda. Yeah, year 30, which means Wrath
• 1:17:19
  of the Lich King and the entire Scourge Invasion.
• 1:17:22
  And all of that happened in between there, the cataclysm
• 1:17:26
  that broke over the world happened in between there and
• 1:17:31
  then we discover Pandaria and almost have a fourth major war
• 1:17:38
  which was narrowly averted. But then, a fourth War shows up
• 1:17:42
  and bf, a legion Invasion, fourth war, and in BFA.
• 1:17:50
  You're 35 is shadowlands. Yeah, when shadowlands begins,
• 1:17:57
  so 26b c35 shadowlands, which means the course of 11 years.
• 1:18:04
  How many near apocalypse can one civilization while I guess it
• 1:18:10
  might be too because it's it's The Horde and the alliance has
• 1:18:15
  two major factions but I'd say they're very intermingled.
• 1:18:20
  As a civilizations civilizations, right?
• 1:18:25
  Like wow. I I you know what, the fact that
• 1:18:29
  thrall I even had time to have kids.
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  Congratulations, it's for my man thrall.
• 1:18:40
  Good grief, I would be dying from incited.
• 1:18:42
  You wouldn't be able to hold it together but that's what the
• 1:18:48
  cataclysm was about, was about thralls anxiety and dealing with
• 1:18:52
  Rawls anxiety anyway. We need more sense now.
• 1:18:57
  Yeah. So, you know, as a Roth has
• 1:19:03
  about two years that passes over the events of shadowlands.
• 1:19:07
  And then at the end of Shadow ends, we get a little bit of a
• 1:19:12
  break, three years to be exact. And in that time, virtually,
• 1:19:18
  nothing happens, those are actual words from Steven.
• 1:19:23
  Who's ahead, not direct I'm paraphrasing.
• 1:19:25
  Saying that. But regardless very little of
• 1:19:29
  consequence happens in those three years between the end of
• 1:19:32
  shadowlands in the beginning of dragon flight.
• 1:19:36
  He did drop something a bit of a news for us that will be getting
• 1:19:41
  a digital short story highlighting.
• 1:19:43
  One particular occasion, a particularly joyous occasion,
• 1:19:47
  which is going to be a fun read but not necessary for
• 1:19:50
  understanding the events of the expansion going into Dragon
• 1:19:53
  flight. So it will be something that For
• 1:19:55
  those of us that are interested in reading the story, it will be
• 1:19:58
  there but it will not be required reading in order to
• 1:20:01
  understand not nearly as required reading as before the
• 1:20:06
  storm or literally name. Any Amy novel?
• 1:20:10
  That's come out in the last likely six years including
• 1:20:15
  likely the pre expansion novel that will will have to be coming
• 1:20:18
  out sometime soon as well. Yeah, that there's a thing.
• 1:20:22
  All right my bet is it's It's going to be spoilers for people
• 1:20:27
  who are not on the alpha spoilers for people who are not
• 1:20:30
  on the alpha come back in about 10 seconds.
• 1:20:35
  Okay, you're gone. Great.
• 1:20:36
  My bet is, it's going to be the wedding between our good old
• 1:20:41
  felissa and I am forgetting. That's, that's what it is.
• 1:20:45
  That's what it is. It's the lystra.
• 1:20:47
  And and oh, gosh, oh eyepatch daddy, what's his name?
• 1:20:56
  No eye patch that he that's good.
• 1:20:57
  We're sticking with that. Okay, Phyllis red eye patch
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  daddy. Okay.
• 1:21:03
  All right. Yes.
• 1:21:03
  Okay, so it is that that's awesome.
• 1:21:06
  So I like that I when I was reading this they were talking
• 1:21:10
  about changes that would be discussed or foreshadowed or
• 1:21:15
  stuff that they wouldn't want to fast-forward through.
• 1:21:19
  So like resettling gilneas, they don't want to off-screen that.
• 1:21:23
  I don't want them to off-screen that know.
• 1:21:25
  I would be very upset about that.
• 1:21:27
  Yeah. They're they're very much saving
• 1:21:29
  that for for the Limelight. They want that to be something
• 1:21:32
  that players go through because like the wording that he put in.
• 1:21:36
  It was that they want anything. That is shaping the world to be
• 1:21:41
  something. The players have direct action
• 1:21:43
  in. They don't want it to be
• 1:21:45
  something that is, that is passive, which is a stark
• 1:21:48
  difference from before the storm and shadows Rising like, those
• 1:21:53
  are very much, like there's intense action happening off
• 1:21:58
  screen that does not include our characters.
• 1:22:01
  And so they're, they're shifting away from that which I'm happy
• 1:22:05
  about. Out.
• 1:22:06
  Although it would have been nice to get like a meaty novel, that
• 1:22:12
  has lore implications to it because I do enjoy them.
• 1:22:16
  Like, as much as people, give those those novels grief for
• 1:22:20
  being quote, unquote, required reading in order to go into the
• 1:22:23
  expansion with a full understanding of what's
• 1:22:25
  Happening. you yeah it's just it's like reading I like reading
• 1:22:32
  sure but there's ways to have Really solid narrative any book
• 1:22:39
  that doesn't cause you to get into the expansion be like, what
• 1:22:43
  the hell happened there? Like that to me, right?
• 1:22:48
  It's a hard thing to balance with any kind of intermedia
• 1:22:52
  narrative. Yeah, right.
• 1:22:54
  It's always going to be difficult.
• 1:22:55
  And I think things that are a little bit easier to digest are
• 1:22:58
  things that are available free. So like your the, the the Audio
• 1:23:06
  dramas that they did ahead of more loads of Draenor and ahead
• 1:23:10
  of Legion and also the, you know, the various word bringer
• 1:23:14
  series that have been released throughout the years, like all
• 1:23:18
  of those are stuff, that is broadly distributed you don't,
• 1:23:22
  there's no gate to it. You don't have to go purchase
• 1:23:25
  something in order to participate in it is just
• 1:23:27
  something you can just you get a link to it and you are immersed
• 1:23:32
  in the story that that it brings to the table and that That's the
• 1:23:36
  kind of stuff that needs to be pushed rather than having these
• 1:23:40
  these novels be like the Forefront of what's there
• 1:23:45
  because like stuff. Like Chronicles is different
• 1:23:47
  where that's like, that's just textbook, like that's slow.
• 1:23:50
  There's nothing weird happening past events that are available
• 1:23:53
  elsewhere, but I will push back against your warlord thing,
• 1:23:58
  because a lot of those Don't actually move any kind of story.
• 1:24:06
  True they are. They are sort of they're
• 1:24:07
  supplementary in that they're like oh here's like the
• 1:24:11
  backstory of this version of a warlord or the or bringer thing
• 1:24:15
  where it's like oh we just want to reintroduce.
• 1:24:18
  You to the pain and suffering that Jana is going through.
• 1:24:22
  Yeah, as well as introduce a rocking little ditty.
• 1:24:27
  These are right and then they get placed into the game as
• 1:24:30
  Cinematics and stuff. So you get the azshara Cinematic
• 1:24:34
  afterwards, you're like, oh okay, that's what this thing.
• 1:24:36
  And you come across that flip-flopping fishing like, oh,
• 1:24:40
  that I like those, right. But they don't add to the
• 1:24:45
  narrative. I would say that the Audio Drama
• 1:24:50
  which was Gul Dan When he was right Rising.
• 1:24:56
  Raising the broken Shore and the tomb of sargeras that is
• 1:25:02
  supplementary and gives you a lot of that gold and character.
• 1:25:06
  That is not seen in the game. But yeah.
• 1:25:09
  Is it necessary for you to enjoy the game?
• 1:25:12
  Play gold and can stand alone as a cackling bad guy.
• 1:25:16
  But when you get a little bit more of his Nuance it still
• 1:25:19
  helps that sort of thing. I would say the Thousand-Year
• 1:25:21
  war with who With Legion as well.
• 1:25:26
  That was also a good one again, another free thing to put in
• 1:25:30
  there but Harbingers is the one that you missed out that.
• 1:25:37
  Yeah, it was in Legion, but who cares.
• 1:25:40
  Who cares? Hey, guy liked it.
• 1:25:42
  It was it like it was nice, right?
• 1:25:46
  It also brought my hype up for Legion for sure, right?
• 1:25:51
  The tales of the wandering Emperor was actually far more
• 1:25:57
  intrinsic to Mists of Pandaria. Then we knew about until we got
• 1:26:02
  to finally figure out the origin of the Mist and the origin of
• 1:26:06
  the Shah. But again was it necessary for
• 1:26:10
  the enjoyment of the game? I would say that I would want
• 1:26:14
  the two and a half D stuff to go back towards that and less be
• 1:26:19
  kind of high trailers. Like we got with the shadow
• 1:26:26
  shadow lands little shorts. Like yeah, you know, I My little
• 1:26:31
  I almost shed a tear and people give me crap for not shedding a
• 1:26:34
  tear about our /, rusalka dying, right?
• 1:26:39
  If it was a hype trailer still mad at you about that.
• 1:26:41
  By the way, a lot of people are like a gendered zero support
• 1:26:46
  from from a lot of people that formerly respected me and now
• 1:26:51
  think I am heartless soul. But yes, it's our sock though.
• 1:26:58
  Anyway, anyway, the point of what of what to do, sir was
• 1:27:02
  getting at, as if there isn't going to be anything, that is
• 1:27:05
  released that is going to be something that feeds into the
• 1:27:09
  narrative. That Bridges, the gap between
• 1:27:12
  Shadow lands and and dragonflight, which is is like,
• 1:27:17
  has been one of the biggest complaints that the like they've
• 1:27:19
  put a lot of the context for what's happening going into Into
• 1:27:25
  expansions in this supplementary stuff.
• 1:27:28
  And I think that having more stuff that's like exploring
• 1:27:32
  Eastern kingdoms. That is just following around
• 1:27:37
  following around a couple of characters in there.
• 1:27:39
  They're like one-off stories as their, as they're going through
• 1:27:43
  and collecting artifacts like that kind of stuff that
• 1:27:45
  character development, that is kind of divorced from what's
• 1:27:51
  actively happening in the story. That's the kind of That I want
• 1:27:55
  to see in these extracurricular sources, not not primary source
• 1:28:02
  action, but at the same time in game I want them to show the
• 1:28:08
  passage of time. I want them to age up characters
• 1:28:12
  like they have with and Owen I want them to show the buildings
• 1:28:16
  in the drag finally being completed.
• 1:28:18
  How long have those been under repair since cataclysm?
• 1:28:22
  I want them to Do up the Garden District like they did in in
• 1:28:28
  Stormwind and I would like to see maybe some changes in the
• 1:28:34
  world that show that some time has passed.
• 1:28:37
  That's what I would love to see in the game.
• 1:28:42
  That doesn't need to be like oh let me tell you about what
• 1:28:45
  happened to the last two years Sonny ever since this adventure
• 1:28:48
  came and did this question vanilla this is what I've done
• 1:28:51
  and probably Nona but you could show a little bit the Girl that
• 1:28:55
  you helped out in vanilla is now a bit older and the quest is
• 1:29:02
  like oh you know what, thank you for helping me or like
• 1:29:06
  Adventure. Help me these years ago but now
• 1:29:09
  like the kittens baby has gone up the tree and now I need you
• 1:29:12
  to go find a catch the kids baby, it's an original kid and I
• 1:29:15
  don't know small little things like that would be kind of cool.
• 1:29:19
  Um But yeah, do you have any final thoughts on this?
• 1:29:24
  No, I think I think it's a good thing.
• 1:29:26
  I think that the the time skip is much needed.
• 1:29:31
  That and more importantly, the fact that nothing of consequence
• 1:29:34
  is going to happen in the time, skip is also much needed.
• 1:29:40
  The citizens of Azeroth need a nap.
• 1:29:44
  Well okay, I guess that's going to do it for us live.
• 1:29:49
  When you are not napping where can people message you?
• 1:29:54
  You can, you can find me on the Twitter's over at live sling
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  spells. We have that Linked In the show
• 1:30:00
  notes, Which you can find in our Discord.
• 1:30:05
  Smooth transition there live, which you can also join by
• 1:30:09
  heading over to bit.ly slash phase Discord.
• 1:30:12
  We have, we have a whole bunch of stuff going on in that
• 1:30:15
  Discord, whole bunch of lovely conversations happening all the
• 1:30:18
  time around. What's going on in the game?
• 1:30:21
  Currently, we have discussions going about going around about
• 1:30:24
  what's going on in the Alpha and the whole bunch of just hope.
• 1:30:29
  It's a good people just doing cool stuff and we are are
• 1:30:34
  starting to post our show notes there as well.
• 1:30:36
  So if you you know if you were having trouble or if you're
• 1:30:39
  interested in looking at the show notes we do have them there
• 1:30:43
  for for you to view and so many, I'm going to ask you where
• 1:30:49
  people can find you but I also want to tell the people about
• 1:30:52
  something you're going to be participating in next week.
• 1:30:57
  Yeah, so I guess we should have done is at the beginning of the
• 1:31:00
  show, but the wow variety show is going to be happening on
• 1:31:06
  August 24th. This is going to be a stream
• 1:31:09
  that's hosted by Taliesin and Avital and that's going to be
• 1:31:13
  starting at 5 p.m. if Pacific or 8 p.m. central eastern Eastern.
• 1:31:20
  Why did you put Central here 8:00 p.m.
• 1:31:22
  Eastern or if you are Are incredibly night owl in the UK.
• 1:31:31
  This will be happening at 1 a.m. in in the UK over at twitch.tv,
• 1:31:41
  slash Warcraft and I will be participating in one of the
• 1:31:45
  events, the Foot Race Across Azeroth and that I will be
• 1:31:50
  streaming at my own channel as well.
• 1:31:52
  So should be fun. This is going to be a cool
• 1:31:54
  little Community event. Still don't know all the rules.
• 1:31:58
  I just got invited to participate just this weekend
• 1:32:04
  and I'm hoping to have a lot of fun with that.
• 1:32:07
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