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AEW Hot Topics | Title Chases · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And nine Cognition six five.
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  Speaker 2: Four three two one zero, All engine running.
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  Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 1: Ignition with the aw fat On podcast team. This is
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  Speaker 1: the first episode in our fourth year of of of
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  Speaker 1: shows and uh, well let's kick it off with a
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  Speaker 1: really good show. We've got a lot to talk about tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Howdy there to U two ep W show. Great to
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  Speaker 1: always really fun, funny, good guys, give them a listen.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get going with our show. And the first thing
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about is uh kind of a
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  Speaker 1: very relevant topic and that's we just saw Grand Slam.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just back up right now, what did you
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  Speaker 1: guys think of Grand Slam? Were you happy with it?
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  Speaker 1: And let's even go beyond that, let's look at a
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  Speaker 1: dynamite before Grand Slam? What did you guys think of
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  Speaker 1: last week's shows?
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  Speaker 3: Shows were fantastic, You had great matches throughout, you had
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  Speaker 3: multiple title changes, I mean, really good story building for Revolution.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm really things about both Dynamite and
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  Speaker 3: Grand Slang. I love both shows, and I mean Willer.
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  Speaker 1: Shave right spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it's been it's been more than seventy well yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I just want to do more than seventy two hours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me just break in real quick and say
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  Speaker 1: lo to Matt Lopez. Uh he joined the chat. Good
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  Speaker 1: to see you, Matt, always good to see you. Rawlins.
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  Speaker 1: What about you? What did you think of last week's
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  Speaker 1: Dynamite and then Grand Slam on Saturday?
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, that chromo battle between John or
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  Speaker 4: Not John Moxley, You excuse me, I was jumping ahead
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  Speaker 4: between Kenny o'meaga and Swerve Strickland was unbelievable. The fact
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  Speaker 4: that Swerve even made reference to the suspension and everything
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  Speaker 4: would brawl out. I was just like, damn, he really
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  Speaker 4: went there. Uh So that was great. And then we
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  Speaker 4: got two title changes, one of which I really wasn't
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  Speaker 4: expecting with Tecla and Chris Scatlander, though I kind of
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  Speaker 4: got it because if you remember with Hangman and Samoa Joe,
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  Speaker 4: they had their regular match at I believe it was
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  Speaker 4: Russell dreaming if I'm not mistaked, And then when they
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  Speaker 4: did the rematch at full gear that had a stipulation
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  Speaker 4: attached to it, that being a steel cage, and Samoa
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  Speaker 4: Joe won. So yes, it surprised me that Tecla won,
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time it didn't. I know a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people are gonna say, why are they going
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  Speaker 4: back to Young Bucks FTR. They could do that match
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  Speaker 4: one hundred tons and I will watch every single time.
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  Speaker 4: Those four guys together just make magic. And Yeah, in
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  Speaker 4: terms of Grand Slam, I certainly wasn't expecting John Moxley
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  Speaker 4: and Takesha to go to a time lamb a draw,
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  Speaker 4: and the other thing I will say about that match specifically,
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  Speaker 4: I thought Okada was going to come out and not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily come down your ringside because I know all the
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  Speaker 4: Continental rules, But I thought like his towards the end
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  Speaker 4: of the match, his his music would play and he
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  Speaker 4: would just come out onto the onto the entrance and
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  Speaker 4: distract to excuse me, distract to Kesha.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you guys? Did you guys catch that? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the end of the match kind of between I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about Moxley and Takesha kind of fell flat. Uh, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't get a really good reaction out of the crowd
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  Speaker 1: and you could clearly see Moxley go to the referee
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  Speaker 1: tell him that he wanted to catch it to hit
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  Speaker 1: the raging fire. The referee then went to Takeshta, passed
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  Speaker 1: along the information and then they did it. That was
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  Speaker 1: really good communication and I think it really did save
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  Speaker 1: the match, because without that that would have been kind
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  Speaker 1: of a bummer ending. I mean it did. It kind
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  Speaker 1: of fell flat. Did you guys catch that?
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  Speaker 3: I did? And it worked really well because you could say,
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  Speaker 3: like in AFA terms, Moxley's like, we need five more minutes,
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  Speaker 3: we need to finish this, and you know, the referees
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  Speaker 3: kind of communicating, and then he gets word, no, we can't.
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  Speaker 3: That's the TV time. So you get that and then
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  Speaker 3: you get to build on the end and you get
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  Speaker 3: for a future match, which I'm hoping they do it
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  Speaker 3: revolution and Moxley's like, through the time limit, there's got
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  Speaker 3: to be a winner.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I did want to break in because
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  Speaker 1: Matt Lopez did chime in in the chat saying that
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  Speaker 1: I thought Grand Slam was damn good. As a matter
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  Speaker 1: of fact, let me put it back up again. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I thought Grand Slam was damn good. Ladder match incredible,
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  Speaker 1: Brody step up as a main event player. Guy, Hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this on Ignition last week. Aw's got
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  Speaker 1: to take advantage of Brody King's newsworthiness. I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: the best way of putting it. I'm sorry, Roll, let's
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  Speaker 1: go ahead. What were your thoughts there?
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  Speaker 4: So with the time limit, I actually forgot that the
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  Speaker 4: Continental rules are different on Dynamite Collision versus pay per View.
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  Speaker 4: With Dynamite and Collision, Continental rules are that it's only
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  Speaker 4: a twenty minute match, whereas I'm pay per View it's
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  Speaker 4: a sixty minute match. So once they went to a
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  Speaker 4: time limit draw, I'm like, well, obviously they're gonna do
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  Speaker 4: the rematch at Revolution And I was like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what about it?
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  Speaker 4: Two out of three fold match, until later on I
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  Speaker 4: got reminded, Yeah, there's a toime difference between the two.
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  Speaker 3: So, right, what, I'm pretty sure matches are always twenty minutes?
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  Speaker 1: No, not the pay per views different they.
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  Speaker 3: Do go to pay view. Was the tournament, well.
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  Speaker 1: The finals, the championship matches are different, you know in
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  Speaker 1: the tournament? Yeah, yeah, but pay per view. I do
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  Speaker 1: think that unless they changed the specifically change the stipulation,
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  Speaker 1: I do think that the normal stipulation is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: we saw in the takeshta Moxley match is twenty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and no outside I guess you can't even
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  Speaker 1: call it interference, no outside nothing.
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  Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is, from what I understand, if
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  Speaker 4: they do the rematch at Revolution, the no outside interferings
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  Speaker 4: and all that will stay the same, but the time
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  Speaker 4: limit would change from twenty minutes to sixty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: That could very well be I'm sure. I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: I hope that AW will make that clear to everybody
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  Speaker 1: before Revolution. I think one of the weaknesses that AW
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  Speaker 1: has had throughout literally the last couple of years especially
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  Speaker 1: has been noticeable because the shows have been so damn good,
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  Speaker 1: is that a lot of times you have people that
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  Speaker 1: I've seen posting on our discord and on our subreddit, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, if you're watching this, the links are
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  Speaker 1: right there on the screen for you to to join us.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the things that I've seen people saying
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  Speaker 1: is that they don't really understand the rules, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So Matt Lopez did chime in it says seems it
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  Speaker 1: seems my called for a rematch with no time limit
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  Speaker 1: on a W A W Socials. I did not see that,
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  Speaker 1: but hey, look, Matt is one of those guys that
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  Speaker 1: he's he's a news sound and if he says it,
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  Speaker 1: it is absolutely true. I absolutely take his word for it.
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  Speaker 4: I question, sure, did you think it was the right
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  Speaker 4: call for NJF. Brody to be the main event instead
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  Speaker 4: of the Ladder Man?
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's one of those things. I was kind
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  Speaker 3: of like it would make sense to put the Ladder
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  Speaker 3: Match as the main event because Ladder Match is a
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  Speaker 3: big deal and it's Kyle Fletcher. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: he's from Sydney, but it is his home country for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I forget where they say he's you know from. There's
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  Speaker 3: also the you know, the world title minion events unless
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  Speaker 3: they're say special stipulation like the lights Out Match or
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  Speaker 3: when they've done an RT and the Arena or the
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  Speaker 3: stadium stampede. So it's one of those.
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  Speaker 1: At wrong or right, you know what for I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to give a weird answer here. For TV it was right.
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  Speaker 1: For the arena itself, it was wrong. Look, Kyle Fletcher
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  Speaker 1: is from Australia, and in my opinion, Kyle Fletcher coming
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  Speaker 1: home should have been coming Home as the TNT champion
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  Speaker 1: should have been the main event. The reason why it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't right for TV is this is that traditionally the
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  Speaker 1: last quarter hour of AW dynam and AW Collision struggle
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  Speaker 1: to get the ratings and get the viewership. Also, keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind, on Collision, it was an extra half hour,
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  Speaker 1: so instead of a two hour show was a two
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  Speaker 1: and a half hour show, So that added to that,
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  Speaker 1: it exacerbated that. So, yeah, it kind of made sense
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  Speaker 1: to me that you would put the Kyle Fletcher and
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  Speaker 1: uh and uh oh my god, Mark Mark Brisco. I
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  Speaker 1: could see his teeth or lack thereof, but I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: remember his name. Yeah, it kind of made sense to
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  Speaker 1: me that for TV purposes that they will put that
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  Speaker 1: match as the non main event.
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  Speaker 4: So I get why they put MJF. Brody at the
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  Speaker 4: main event. That way Boy or Hangman could come out
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  Speaker 4: and they could set that match up for Revolution.
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  Speaker 2: So I did understand that what the ladder match.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't just the fact that it was a ladder match.
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  Speaker 2: It was the fact that it was Game seven in.
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  Speaker 4: The series between Mark Risco and Kyle Fletcher, and AW
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  Speaker 4: never came out and called it a best of seven series,
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  Speaker 4: which I thought was great. You don't need to call
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  Speaker 4: it a best of seven. We know, like we quickly
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  Speaker 4: figured out, okay, this is going to be a best
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  Speaker 4: of seven. But it's not like they kept going back
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  Speaker 4: to it over and over and over again, like you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like, so because of all that,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, should have been the main event.
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  Speaker 3: It definitely makes It's like a difference were it comes
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  Speaker 3: from and it being you know, the show being on
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  Speaker 3: TNT and it being a tn T title. MAT's it
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  Speaker 3: definitely Touto's main event. I also get what Kelson is saying,
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  Speaker 3: like you want that you want that big bat to
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  Speaker 3: happen and hopefully retain some of the viewers you lose,
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  Speaker 3: but also if you do lose, you had that big
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  Speaker 3: match happen, you know before you lost. It's one of
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  Speaker 3: those I don't I don't disagree with either of you.
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  Speaker 3: You both did a really good points. It could have
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  Speaker 3: gone either way. You know, I was happy with the
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  Speaker 3: show overall. So I guess this is one of those
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  Speaker 3: things that kind of feels like maybe a little nitpicky.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, let me ask you guys a question here,
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  Speaker 1: because we had another match that was maybe not like
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  Speaker 1: the greatest match in the world, but it was a
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  Speaker 1: very big talking point. Of course, that was the the
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  Speaker 1: hair I guess, the hair versus Hair match, And I've
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  Speaker 1: heard a lot of people say that it really didn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't talking about the latter match and the World
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  Speaker 1: Championship match as far as the placement. They just thought
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  Speaker 1: it was odd that they were back to back. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't matter which one went first and which one went
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  Speaker 1: as the main event. It was simply the fact that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: they were back to back. Would do you guys think
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  Speaker 1: it may have been a better idea for them to put, say,
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  Speaker 1: the ladder Match, then the hair versus Hair match, and
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  Speaker 1: then the main event World Championship Match.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that would have worked well because
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  Speaker 3: you get the crazy Ladder match with all the spots
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  Speaker 3: in it. Obviously the Hair verse hair match had some
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  Speaker 3: crazy moments and spots in it, but not as not
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  Speaker 3: as insanely violent and like oh my god, please don't
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  Speaker 3: freaking die, you guys movements like.
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  Speaker 1: Right, well, okay, well let's let's let's get rawlins and
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  Speaker 1: you don't let him share his thoughts.
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  Speaker 4: So, just to touch on the last conversation Teober quick
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  Speaker 4: and then I will answer your question, Kelson. I think
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  Speaker 4: part of it is like I'm a sports junkie, so
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  Speaker 4: when it's Game seven that like the Penn ultimate game,
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  Speaker 4: it's win or go home. So like that's the other
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  Speaker 4: reason I wish the Ladder match had been the main event.
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  Speaker 4: That's just my sports brain. But to answer your last question, Kelson,
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  Speaker 4: it kind of reminds me of Revolution from last year,
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  Speaker 4: where I think they went right from the steel cage
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  Speaker 4: match between Kyle Fletcher and Will Ostrey. I think it
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  Speaker 4: went correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it
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  Speaker 4: went steel cage, Hollywood ending, and then the main event
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  Speaker 4: or no, I'm sorry, I have that completely wrong. I
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  Speaker 4: think it went steel cage match, Omega ta keshta, and
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  Speaker 4: then the main event. Do I have that right?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I do remember that the Hollywood ending
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  Speaker 1: was not you know, wasn't up there basically that that
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  Speaker 1: should have been the main event, but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right on that. It sounds correct
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  Speaker 3: like they went it was like three to insane matches
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  Speaker 3: back to back, and you know, I think that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of one of the complaints some people have with AW
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  Speaker 3: It's like, man, we don't have a second to breathe, Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's not like I won't you know, a
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  Speaker 3: match and then a twenty minute BS segment. Man after
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  Speaker 3: some of these matches, like a little three minute break
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  Speaker 3: just you know whatever would sometimes be helpful. And it
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  Speaker 3: almost kind of felt like that with some of these
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  Speaker 3: super shows, like we're getting all these great matches, but
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  Speaker 3: it's almost like a marathon session where like by by
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  Speaker 3: the time by the last match, you're almost earned doubt
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  Speaker 3: and it's like I just needntes, I just need.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me let me break in real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Because Matt Lopez did chime in in the chat, cant
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  Speaker 1: didn't mean it should have been in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the show. But there's a debate, uh debate ladder match
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  Speaker 1: should have main evented. Yeah, you know, basically reiterating, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the thoughts that I've seen a lot of people you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the community share. I'm sorry, Rollins go ahead, but the.
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  Speaker 4: Point I was trying to make, whatever the order was
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  Speaker 4: with Revolution, like those were three great matches. The Steel
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  Speaker 4: Cage Okay, maybe not Moxley co Cope one, but like
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  Speaker 4: the Steel Cage and then Omega Taksha.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like I didn't get up even like three minutes.
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  Speaker 4: To really just react to what I just saw it
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  Speaker 4: because I'm going into another crazy match, right.
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  Speaker 1: Give me like a cool down match, you know, so right, yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you do need a breather. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: don't hate to say it, but you know you need
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: a bathroom break too, or to go get go you know,
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  Speaker 1: put more dips in your in your uh in your
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  Speaker 1: cup so you can dip your chips and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, take the take the dogs out, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So honestly, I would kind of like maybe cut down,
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  Speaker 3: cut out one match and instead give us, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like three to five minutes between these match where you
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  Speaker 3: can you can set something up for Dynamite, you can
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  Speaker 3: you know, hype up a future pay per view, Like
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  Speaker 3: we don't need the twenty minute ad breaks you know
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  Speaker 3: some shows, but ball breaks in between these insane matches
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  Speaker 3: would be really helpful. So I kind of feel like
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying my stake two juicy my lobster to buttery fight.
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  Speaker 1: Right, No, I get it. You know, There's one other
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  Speaker 1: thing that I wanted to bring up. Just you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's something that's worth mentioning. We once
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  Speaker 1: again we saw a title change last week in the
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  Speaker 1: TNT Championship. I may be wrong here, maybe off by one,
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  Speaker 1: so anybody in the community can go and check. But
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  Speaker 1: since about this time in twenty twenty five, the TNT
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  Speaker 1: Championship has changed hands I believe eight or nine times.
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  Speaker 1: I actually believe it's nine times, and that's pretty hopitatoing
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  Speaker 1: that championship, which I don't mind at all. Then you
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  Speaker 1: look at the other championship, it's sister championship, the TBS Championship,
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  Speaker 1: and then the same amount of time it's only changed
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  Speaker 1: hands twice, went from Willow Nightingale to Mercedes Monet and
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  Speaker 1: then from Mercedes Monet to Willow Nightingale. The other thing
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  Speaker 1: I'll mention here is in those eight or nine title
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  Speaker 1: changes in the T and T Championship, we've had quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit of different T and T champions in that
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  Speaker 1: time span, whereas the TBS Championship has only been you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't even think it's I think this is
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  Speaker 1: from twenty twenty four, not twenty twenty five. With the
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  Speaker 1: TBS Championship, we've only had two women holding the TBS championship,
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  Speaker 1: and I personally, and I've mentioned this before, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's kind of a waste to have Willow Nightingale.
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  Speaker 1: As much as I like her, I think it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a waste to have Willow Nightingale with two aw
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  Speaker 1: titles strapped around her waist or held over her shoulders.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys think about that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, hey, look, I've always said I want to
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  Speaker 3: TNT and TBS titles to be like TV titles. I
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  Speaker 3: want to see him defended regularly. I want to see
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  Speaker 3: him changing hands on a decent basis. And you could
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  Speaker 3: use it as kind of that floating title where like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you really want to get a guy over, put that
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  Speaker 3: TNT title on him, have him go on a crazy
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  Speaker 3: run of defenses, and boom, he is immediately established. Same token.
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  Speaker 3: You got a you know, upper mid card guy who
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  Speaker 3: you're kind of like, man, I want to keep him
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  Speaker 3: on TV, but we don't really have, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: story for him. Slap the TNT title on him, let
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  Speaker 3: him have a nice little run of defenses, and then
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  Speaker 3: drop it to a kid. You want to say, a kid,
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  Speaker 3: but a person you want to give the rub two
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  Speaker 3: like that titles. I mean, the name of the network
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  Speaker 3: is on the title. T and T title defended every
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  Speaker 3: or at least every other defend.
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  Speaker 2: They've done it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Really, They've done a really good job with the TNT
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: title as far as defending in open challenges and whatnot.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I think the weakness year is the TBS title. Uh.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I understand that. The reason why it's been only changed
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: hands what twice is because Mercedes mon Ad had it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And I thought Mercedes mon A run with the TBS
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: title was absolutely terrific. I'm not taking anything away from that,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: but now that Mercedes does not have the title, it
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: needs it needs to be hot Potato. I really do
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: think that it needs to come off of Willow Nightingale
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a S A P. I would have much preferred. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: would have much preferred Techla taking the TBS title to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the world title. Put it that way. Although I have
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: no problem with tech one.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: It's interesting you say that tells in because since Willa
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: won it from Mercedes, her one title defense thus far
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: was against Julia Hart on Collision.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think that was just a one off. I
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: think now that has the.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Women's World Championship.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I think Julia Hart's gonna be like, well, well, I
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: want another crack at the TVs Championship.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I would personally like to see, uh see sky Blue
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: get it rawlins. To be honest with you, I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: sky Blue deserves with all the work that she's done.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Taking nothing away from Julia Hart, I think sky Blue
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: is absolutely next in line for a title, whether it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the tag team title, the TBS title. I don't think
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: she's you know, world title material, but I do think
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that that sky Blue is is up there. I will
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk about this, you know, another week,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: but I do want to move on because as we're
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: trying to keep these shows to an hour, and we've
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: already been going twenty five minutes, so we've already got
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: three quarters two quarters of an hour left basically, so
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: let's move on. I want to talk briefly about the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: signings that AAW has done. We saw Leana Cross debut
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: this week. We've seen and we saw The Inspiration also
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: debut this week. Of course, the Inspiration debuted at a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: house show, which is kind of interesting. But I'm sure
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: they'll get a big coming out party maybe on maybe
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: on dynamite, but absolutely by collision. They'll get a coming
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: out party, they'll get their graphic, they'll get put on
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the aw roster page. But it's clearly that they have
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: been signed. But we've also seen we've also seen men,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you know, the previous weeks, we see quite a few
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: men come in here. So what I wanted to know was,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: let's throw some names out there and let's decide whether
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: we think that a w or R o H A
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a w R o h H should sign these people.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I'll start by saying, Dakota Kai, what do you guys think?
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I think she'd be a solid addition to the roster.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: And you know, we were I remember you mentioned him
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: last week. But there's a lot of inactive women on
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the roster, and the number of active women is actually
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: relatively so, and most of those who are inactive are
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: for reason injury, some with THEES. Yeah of course, yeah, yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I think let's.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Let's let's just keep let's just keep it. You know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the answer short if we can, because are you know
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and if you guys, matter of fact, since you went first,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you answered first, why don't you some we don't have
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to talk about the same people over and over again.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: So why don't you throw it out out a name
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: if you have one. If not, we'll go to Rawlins.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's David Finley.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Said a name. I guess, yeah. But when you talk
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: about David Finley and Gay Kid, I guess they're kind
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of a packaged deal. What do you think about David
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Finley and Gabe Kid Rawlins?
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Well, from everything I've read, it sounds like David Finley
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: is on his way at WWE. Like everything I've read
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: is like they're already coming up with creative for him, right.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I am surprised Gabe Kid hasn't gotten like the All
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Elite graphic yet because like he's involved with Clark Connors
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: in a matt or a few'd rather with Darby Allen
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: at the moment, and he had that pay per view
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: matched with Darby. So I'm like, how is he not
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: gotten the All Elite graphic yet?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I again, A lot a lot of that probably has
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: to do with I think it's got to be contractual thing.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I personally think when it comes to somebody like Gabe
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Kid uh and Clark Connors, I'll throw Clark Connors in there.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I think that they're working toward double contracts or dual
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: contracts with with these particular people, because let's face it,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and Chris knows more about it than I do.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: But if you look at New Japan Throw Wrestling four
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: years ago compared to today, I don't even know how
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: why they would even think doing a forbidden door this year,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: because there's nobody there that I want to see. Just
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: being honest with you, you know.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I will say it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I know she's currently under contract with WWE, but I
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: would love to see Bailey come over to a w Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, Bailey's contract from what I've heard, runs out
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: at the end of this year, so she's going to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: be there until the end of the year, and uh,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: she's gonna come probably. I really do expect Bailey to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: come to aw to be with her buddy Mercedes Monette.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I really do. Yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are open she comes
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: over when the contract is up. I know, I am.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: There was a discussion on the aw fan hub subreddit
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: today actually started by me. Actually wasn't on the aw
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: fan hubsubreddit, was on the Women's Pro Wrestling subreddit, but
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I had an idea again with dual contracts, but also
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: goes to the women's division. Start of course and CML
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: are part of the partnership with AW. AW has already
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: signed Persephone to a dual contract. I really really do
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: believe that as far as the women's division goes, they
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: are very highly likely to try to sign lach Catalina
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to a dual contract. On the men's side, obviously, mystica
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: would be one would a templario. You know, there's different
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: men and women in CML. But I also but I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: thought about stardom. I thought it would be a cool idea.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: There are a couple of women in Stardom, young women
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: eighteen year old a Zuza Naba and I think twenty
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: two year old Keick you for SAWA have stated that
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: they wanted to wrestle overseas. Why not get some of
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: these stardom women taken and get some of the free
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: up some of that money in Boushi Road, because Bushy
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Road owns New Japan and Stardom free up some money
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: so they can make their own big signings. Put some
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of these wrestlers on New Japan and on Startum under
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: dual contracts with AW and CMLL even you know, And
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and my idea was to make a faction because stardom
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: is very very very much faction oriented. Why not get
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a revolving door of AW wrestlers going over into a
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: faction with Azuza Naba at Kikyo Versaala have then come
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: over to AW as well and wrestle you know, in
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the faction and just have a like an international faction
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: from AW and startum partnership and you could even throw
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: you know, somebody from them. Olympia has been over in
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: CML wrestling or tailoff and doing really well. Dark Silhuetta,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: until she was injured, had gotten there. Now she's back
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: from what I understand, so she may be willing to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: go back there too. So you can have a big
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: faction in stardom that CML and AW are participating in
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: paying for. And there's no reason why you couldn't do
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Why not have you know, I know
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it's a dead deal now, but what could what could
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: have been Bull Club war Dogs as an a w
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: n JPW faction.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I definitely love the ideas like the International Fast and
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: you know they go, they kind of travel and you
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: can kind of plug and play wrestlers you know here
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and there, like you have two or three from stardom,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: you know, one or two from CMLL, a few from
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: a job. You you can send.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Them back and forth exactly.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: You can have like say a Maki Eito come over,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: you know, because she's team I think she's teamed up
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: with or she's kind of the mentor of the one
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: you mentioned.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: She's Yeah, she's been teamed up with Kikio for a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Sawa quite a bit. And you've got you know, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you've already got wrestlers like Megan Bain has been over
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in Japan just as much as he's been in uh
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: in the United States, you know, in November and December.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Lada Cross has done a lot of time and in
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Japan as well with Sundai girls. So yeah, it's not
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: like we that aw doesn't have women's wrestlers who are
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: not willing to go to Japan.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and like you can have them kind
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: of like, Okay, you've send some of us, Wilson, some
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: of ours. You know, they can team up when they're
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: over there. They you know, your girls can team up
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: with ours when they come over here. You know you've
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: worked that out, and yeah, like a just have it
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: be kind of an international faction. That's not They're not
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: always going to be there every week, but some of
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: them will always be in one of the companies representing
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: kind of yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But you know, one of the things that was brought
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: up too, wh we're talking about factions a W with
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the signings that they've done and where they've been placed.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: If you've noticed, AW is kind of building a faction
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: warfare system quite a bit. I mean, think about it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: You've got the Death Writers, You've got the Conglomeration uh STP,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: there's just a bunch of different factions, the elite or
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: even starting to reform. I guess you could say, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: so are you four in ae W? Are you for
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a faction warfare kind of system.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I do think it's interesting that like with Death Riders
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: versus don Kallas Family, for example, they started with a
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: street fight and now they've gone backwards and done a
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: series of trios matches. It just feels like they it
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: should have been the opposite where they did all these
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: trios matches and then done the big street fight. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: who knows, it could be leading to something bigger. So
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I do like that, But it's just like the don
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Kallas family has like twenty five thousand people in it,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: and the Death Riders only have Claudio, Pack, Wheeler, Moxley
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: and Marina, right, so don Kallas can just grow all different.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Right, you know. But my point is is that there
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: are so many factions now that have you know, at
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: least two to three men in them, along with women's Skyflight.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I mentioned STP earlier, the crew, they all
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: have now added a woman to their midst. And of
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: course they are not all predominantly ae W factions. There
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: are you know, r o H factions in their far
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: varsity not varsity athletes, but the athletes with us story
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Denali added to their to their ranks. I like the faction,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm interested to hear what you guys think about this.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I like the factions because injuries do happen. And I
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: don't know which wrestler it was, but in the last
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: day or two, I think think it was Chris Statlander
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that said that with these tag titles, trios titles, they
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: she would like. I think it was stat Landers, since
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: you would like the freebird system to be put in.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: You know, where somebody goes down, somebody can replace them,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: no questions asked, you know, because how many times have
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: we seen the titles and stories four titles be put
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: on hold simply because one or more of the wrestlers
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that were involved in the story were not available due
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to injury.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. We were talking about it in the
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: discord a few days ago with I was like, I
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: didn't even realize these More Toast was an ROAH tag
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: team champion, and it's like, yeah, that whole thing was
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: kind of weird because you had Sammy and Dustin as
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: the tag champions. Dustin got injured, so Sammy got to
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: get a replacement Rush and did the whole thing, and
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: then Rush got injured, so these more Toast was the replacement.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: But every time it was almost like they had to
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: vacate the titles just to put it on the same
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: guy with a new with a new partner. If they
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: would have just had the free bird rule in effect,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: it would have just been simple, Okay, there's here's the
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: guy replacing it. Here's the guy replacing it. Uh yeah,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I can see. And you know, I'm a big New
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Japan fan. Factions are a big deal there, so I'm
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: a big I'm a fan of factions. I love the
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: fashion Warfair, I love seeing you know, multiple matches, like
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of times you'll see you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: two guys from the same factions facing, You'll see like
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: three matches with the same factions in it. So yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of the factions.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Right, what about you wrong?
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Well, like I said, I'm very much in joining the
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Death Riers Don Kallas stuff. It just feels like it
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: started backwards by doing the street fight first. Playing in general, Yeah,
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I like it. It's interesting you're talking about the freebird
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: rule because if I remember when aw did like that
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: big spring Breaking show or whatever it was called, Moxley
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: used the free Birger freebird rule. Excuse me to step
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: in and defend the trio's titled when they lost to Joe.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, they did that. That was spring Breakthrough. Yes, right,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you know what it's really interestingly we talked about Lenda
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Cross earlier being brought in. She's obviously going to Megabad,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you know, so I guess it's Mega Time's too bad
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: now because Lenda Cross is taller than Meghan Baine, not
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: quite as bulky, but not not a shadow of Megan
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Maine by any chance. I mean, she's she's a she's
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a force to be reckoned with the inspiration. Uh. I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: don't know if you're familiar with them, but that's an
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: interesting thing. Where in the world do they go?
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I do think that there will be in a faction
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: because frankly speaking, there aren't many women that aren't in
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a faction that are active right now, I mean really
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: active right now.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I also think it's interesting just talking about like trios
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: and factions in general that like Jet Set Rodeo or
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: whatever they're calling themselves now they I don't think they've
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: had one title defense of the Trio's titles, taking him
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: from the op and now you've got Hangman, who's obviously
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: one third of that trio, going after MJF and on Dynamite,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Speedball and Kevin Knight. We're talking about possibly going after
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: tag team titles, rand singles titles, and I'm like, you guys,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: are the Rio tight champions?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well you know Rolins, I've long been a proponent
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: of just getting rid of the Trio's championships. I do
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: think that Jet Speed should be going after the tag titles.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I do think that Jet Speed should be going after
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: individual titles, or being at the very least in individual feuds.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Kevin Knight and Mike Bailey have proven that they are
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: very capable of putting on engaging as hell matches.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, for God's sakes, Like I loved that match
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: between Kevin Knight and Swerve Strickland. And if you remember
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: during the C two, Kevin Knight beat Okata.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Right, look at Mike Bailey and Kyle Fletcher during the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: cy too. Both of those matches that you mentioned, Kevin
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: knighton and Okata, those are really really good matches that
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: were also so much in doubt that it made it
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: more interesting to see that they were interesting matches.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I think the trio titles it's kind of one of
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: those it was a last minute decision because they weren't
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: able to resign Hobbs, and I think they're just kind
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: of like, Okay, you know what, these three guys, they'll
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: be good champions. We'll give them that. But then it's
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: kind of like, Okay, I've got to figure out something
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: to do, but I don't know what to do. So
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I think the trios titles are gonna might be in
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: a weird, little kind of holding pattern for a bit.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I think this I think the best way would be
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: a trio Trios title mat three on three on three,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and that way you can have you know, whoever you
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: want to put the titles on, pen someone else. If
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: we don't want to, you know, have them pinning Hangman
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: or Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: But the thing is is that Hangman is kind of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: for all intent purposes, he's out of the trios title
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: loop because he's doing something else right now, you know
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: what I mean?
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think you just on
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: a upcoming show, you decide if Tony Kahan, you know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: makes one of his wacky match decisions, you know, like
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: he's known for. Just like you know what I think,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I think this sounds fun. Let's do it. So you
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: have them, say, you know, the main event of Solution
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: on February twenty eighth is a you know, three team
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: trios title match.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing though with that, Okay, when you look
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: at the Trios and what you're suggesting, it kind of
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: seems like an afterthought or a big gimmick. If you're
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: not going to take the trios title seriously, which frankly,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: aw hasn't been taking the trios title seriously at all,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: get rid of them. Make it a the trios titles
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: or to six man titles as Roh calls it. Exclusive
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to Roh, there is no reason, no reason, there's no
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: room for the trios titles in a W. They are
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the weakest link goodbye.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: It makes me wonder just in general. I know we're
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: like supposed to be talking about warfare and factions and
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: all that, but it just makes me wonder based on
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: our whole conversation.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Does AW have too many championships?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Yes? And no, And let me explain what I'm saying here.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think that AAW has too many championships. I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: don't think that AAW has enough meaningful championships. And I'm sorry,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: but the big deal for me has always been the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Trios Championship. It's just not a meaningful championship. It's is
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: the basement. It's no better than the FDW Championship. It
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: just didn't belong. It had some fun moments, but it
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't really part of you know, the conversation. It wasn't.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Let me put it this way, it wasn't bringing in viewers.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I believe it wasn't bringing in viewers, and I believe
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: it wasn't bringing in pay per view, but buys what's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: last time we had a decent feud for the trio's championship.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I would say that the last time we had a
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: decent feud for the trio's championship was resolved in Webley
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: all in twenty twenty three. Everything else has just been filler.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: That's just the way I look at it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's hard to disagree with you on that.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I think they have one two mini titles. I think
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: world title. That's easy to say what it is. International
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: can be your you know, upper mid card, like these
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: are the next guys up for the world title TNT,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: that's your floater. This is hey, we want to make
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: sure this guy is getting TV times, so he's going
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to be the champion. National can be your travelingue, workhorse title,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: and the continentals should be gone and the winner of
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: the tournaments to get a title.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Mat Yeah you see, I even forgot that the national
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: title even existed. And that's the problem with oh what.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I want to backtrack because I said that AW doesn't
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: have too many championships. They have too many meaningless championships.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: If a W had twenty championships and they all meant something,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: then they don't have too many championships. That's just my opinion.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: But really, you know, the Internet, the Internet, not the International,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the Trios Championships, Championship, the National title, they really don't
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: mean anything to me. Now. I'm willing to give the
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: National title a little bit of a break because it's
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: a new title, but the Trios Championship have proven to
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: be you know, dog water, I'm sorry.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: They are, Rickasha, I will say ric ashe has done
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: a great job since coming to National champion So I
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: like it a little more than you do. Pelsan, though
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying in terms of that.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: And I know the last one of the last times I.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Was on this podcast, we had a big discussion about
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: like is o'conna holding the International Championship hostage? And you know,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I haven't been able to get that question or that
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: whole conversation off of my mind right. Like Okada had
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: had like one title defense on Collision. I forget who
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: it was against off the top of my head, but
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: it was a good match, and.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, this guy.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: I don't remember the last time Okada actually defended that
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: International Championship prior to that episode of Collision, so I
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: have changed my thought process on that a little bit,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: because I remember I was saying, like, no Okada with
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: the International Championship is fine, But now I'm just like,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: has AW forgotten about that?
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: You know, AW has a thing where they do. AW
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: does a lot of tournaments, whether it's a male tournament
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: or a female tournament, they do a lot of tournaments.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And the problem with doing tournaments is that they take
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: time away from other championships they really do. It's just
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that simple.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: That is one thing I wish they would time to
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: go with the new Japan design for G one. You know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I agree with champion. Every champion is in that tournament
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: and a win over them gets you a future title match.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Like that's how you can the title scene interesting while
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: you have a month long tournament going on, right, And also,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: the winner of the G one or the C two.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Gets a title shot and that's it. They get they
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: get it, they get it. They get the belt or
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: a trophy for the C two. But it's an indefensible
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: title much like the owen Hart. You know, i'd like
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: insist exactly.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I think tottent title design, but it's not like it's
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: this iconic design or right, but the thing, one of
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: those I need to see.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: The thing that makes the Continental title special is that
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: it's a tournament similar to the C two, to the
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: G one, I mean the G one climax, similar to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Stardom's uh five star, similar to well, a lot of
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: tournaments throughout you know, wrestling promotions, but.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: The old King of the Ring.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly it. But there's no reason to have
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: a beltmore. Besides, you know, if you really want to
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: get technical about it, other than the tournament, what's the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: difference between the Continental and the International title? There is none.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: So that's just my opinion.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: If you hold both, you get the unified title.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And I hope the god that nobody in a w
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: ever holds both of those titles ever again, because that
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: was stupid. It was dumb, It was confusing. It didn't
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: make any sense to me then, and it doesn't make
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: any sense to me now. I just didn't like it.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I just didn't like it.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: It was another reason I would be the title going
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: the way and being a trophy and the winner getting
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: a world right, Well.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: What the art where the winner gets a title match? All?
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can, Well, we've got a little less than
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: eight minutes to go in the show, so I think
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: it's time to move on to Oh God two. It's
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: It's a kafa It's it's our little part of the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: show where we could talk about anything, kind of like
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: bullet points, rapid fire, not really a long discussion, but
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: just making a little bit of a statement. And every
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: week I create a new graphic for It's a Kafabi.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And if you are the unfortunate soul that's watching us
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: right now, I'm about to reveal one of the absolute
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: most disturbing graphics I have ever created. Here we go
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: three two one and.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: What He's wrong with you?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Hey, But I have to say something here for the
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: people that are listening to this on an audio podcast.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: It's basically, well it's not basically. It's it's Eddie Kingston
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: in it to two. Uh, and you know, do a ballet,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: specifically Swan Lake. But in my defense, have you ever
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: seen Eddie Kingston look that good?
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: He's never looked more in shape.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: He looks fantastic. I mean, sim slim, slim, trim, ready
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to go with some long ass arms. I shut, He's
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: got real store legs and really long arms.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Uh, which is.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly I don't know. I don't know what possessed me
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: to do this, but but I did. If you notice,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I did get his necklace right, and I put the
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: necklace around his neck that is the actual necklace that
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: he wears. So I spent way too much time again
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: on On.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Gave him a snipey witlas musta.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Yes you shouldn't.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: You could have had him in that T shirt that said.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that just didn't go well with the pink.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: But anyway, just I'm sure somewhere someway this will make
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: it out onto the internet. But it's not Swan Lake.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It's sucker fab. Does anybody have a FABI because I
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: have one, but I'll give somebody else an opportunity to
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: go first.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I have a super quick one, go ahead.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: I don't follow TNA wrestler at all. I don't know
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: the last time I watched an episode of TNA. I
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: couldn't tell you who the TNA World Champion is or
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: anything like that. But interestingly, TNA is bringing their pay
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: per view Rebellion to Cleveland in April, and I just
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: so happened to live in Cleveland. Yes, so unfortunately it's
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: not an aw pay per view, but I don't think
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna pass up the opportunity to go see a
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: wrestling pay per view even if it's not AW.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Well, what does it matter? I mean, if you like wrestling,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter which promotion you want that that's in
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: your town. Support wrestling, Support the wrestlers. They appreciate it.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I have Mike Cafabe is something that I talked about
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: yesterday on our social media is the aw fan of
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: social media I've seen and I don't know if you've
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: noticed this if you guys are on social media other
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: than discord, but there have been no, no, like, quite
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: a few posts saying I'm new to a w Where
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: do I start? You know, I'm just starting to watch
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: and get into AW What do I need to do
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: to get caught up? What would you say to people
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that are saying that they need to get caught up
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: other than watch the shows?
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: You know? I think I asked them what they've most
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: liked with what they've seen and kind of be like, Okay,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: well I'm going to give you a little history on
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: them and their most important fuse and then you know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: if you're interested in that, we can talk about more stuff.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Don't just start going you need to watch, find out
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: what they like, find out what they enjoy from what
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: they have scene, and build off that. That's how you
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: make new fans, not telling them what you think they
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: should watch, asking what they like, and then saying okay,
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: based on that, this is what I say.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What I usually tell them, Chris is I tell
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: them watch the show, which is a canned answer. But
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: look at the shows and if there's wrestlers that you
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: don't know that you say, hey, those guys are interesting
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: or that woman is interesting, then go onto the aaw
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel and look up. You know, for example, if
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: you've never seen Kenny Omega before and you see him
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, I want to see what this
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: guy is about, you can go on the YouTube channel.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: You can go on social media and you can find
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: all kinds of information and matches and snippets and promos
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: that Kenny Omega has done. That's what I would do.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I would watch the show, and what you like and
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: what you enjoy on the show, go back and watch
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: some of that, and in doing so, then you're then
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: you're exposed to other wrestlers and other stories.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, you'd be like, I really like
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: what I see from Hayman, and it's like, oh, there's
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: so much good stuff there right exactly, Like and then yeah,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: you could like, Okay, see who you like, go watch this,
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: go watch that stuff, and fine, like, oh I really
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: like this guy too, I really like this person exactly.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: When you look at the AW were Women's World Champion Tecla,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I mean she's really not been in AW that. I
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: mean she's been in AW for about a year now,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: but she's got a lot more history than just what
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: she's done at a W. I personally think that what
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: uh techless feud with starting President Tero o'conta is fascinating
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: just in and of itself to watch and learned a
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: lot about what tech is about. Then again, you've got
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: people like But then again, you've got people you know
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: that have frankly always been with AW other than stints
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: in the Indies, They've always been with A to Chris
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Statlander is a good example, Britt Baker. You know there's
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: another one, Darby Allen Hangman out of page. Really you
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: could argue for that. I mean as far as in America,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Uh exactly, m jf rawlins perfect. So there are different
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: things to to research anyway, that's mikeah Fabbi. Does anybody
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: else have a kafabe before we wrap things up for tonight?
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I mean I've got the usual New Chapan rundown. We
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: had New Beginning in Osaka last week. Really great show
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: all around. I could not suggested enough. If you like
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: New Japan Pro Wrestling, you will really enjoy the show.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: I know not everyone has all the time. Top three,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: David Finley versus Calum Newman, Dave Kidd versus Andrade L
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: and the Knockout Brothers both versus Shota, Umino and Yubio
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: or Mura.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: To night in.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Like a little under seven hours. I think, uh it
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: will be the kickoff of the Fantasticamania Tour, which is
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: j in jp W n CMLL. There's a few wrestlers
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: who have been on AW before, Hetchi Sero, Masca, Derada,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Misty Co a few others as well. It's all it's
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: always a fun tour, fun show. You see the kind
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: of styles interacting, kind of an early morning start if
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: you're in America. For most of us, I think fourth
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: our on the East Coast, three pot for Central. But
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: it's always a fun show, it.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Right, I do want to say something here before we
• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:16
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