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Why do you need strong Case Conceptualization skills for play therapy? · Next Level Play Therapy: A Podcast for Play Therapy Excellence

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  Cathi Spooner: Welcome to Next Level Play Therapy, a weekly podcast dedicated to supporting the next generation of child and adolescent therapists to provide exceptional play therapy services.
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  Cathi Spooner: We'll explore all things play therapy to elevate your work with children and adolescents using the therapeutic powers of play.
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  Cathi Spooner: I'll discuss practical tips and ideas.
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  Cathi Spooner: So you can provide a transformative experience for your young clients and make a real difference in their lives.
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  Cathi Spooner: So get ready to take your play therapy skills to the next level and make a lasting impact in the lives of children, adolescents, and families.
• 0:49
  Cathi Spooner: Hey there, welcome to this week's episode of Next Level Play Therapy.
• 0:56
  Cathi Spooner: For those of you watching the live stream on YouTube or Instagram or on my LinkedIn channel, you'll probably notice today is a different time.
• 1:09
  Cathi Spooner: Same day, just different time.
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  Cathi Spooner: I usually Um, hit the live button much earlier in, in the day, but I've been going to this really awesome training, which really fits in well with the topic.
• 1:24
  Cathi Spooner: So that worked out really nice.
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  Cathi Spooner: Anyway, so I've been going to this training during the day.
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  Cathi Spooner: It's called, um, diagnostic classifications for zero to five.
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  Cathi Spooner: So I'd be curious how many of you guys have gotten the DC zero to five training for infants and early childhood, go ahead and post that in the comments.
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  Cathi Spooner: I would love to see who's got that training.
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  Cathi Spooner: It's really good.
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  Cathi Spooner: And the reason I thought it was relevant for the conversation that I want to have today, is it talks about the whole, the zero to five diagnostic classifications is all about gathering enough information to get a really thorough understanding of what's going on with your clients.
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  Cathi Spooner: And to me, that that means we're also talking about case conceptualization.
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  Cathi Spooner: And does taking that time at the very beginning of the treatment process, is it worth it?
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  Cathi Spooner: Is it worth it to take that time?
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  Cathi Spooner: Because I know a lot of mental health professionals and a lot of play therapists feel like they don't really need to do that.
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  Cathi Spooner: They just want to get right into helping their clients.
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  Cathi Spooner: And I definitely understand that that intent.
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  Cathi Spooner: However, I think it's really important to do that information gathering so you have more of a depth of understanding for what's going on with your clients.
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  Cathi Spooner: So that's what I want to talk about today.
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  Cathi Spooner: What are the benefits to you, but what are the benefits to your client of taking that time to formulate your case conceptualization and what the heck is case conceptualization?
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  Cathi Spooner: Some of you guys might be kind of thinking, huh, that term sounds really familiar.
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  Cathi Spooner: I think I learned about that in grad school.
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  Cathi Spooner: So might be back there and kind of the cobwebs of your mind.
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  Cathi Spooner: And today will be a good day to dust off those cobwebs and have a conversation about that and how it can benefit your clients.
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  Cathi Spooner: So if you're watching on the live stream here on Instagram or YouTube or LinkedIn, I would love to know who's here.
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  Cathi Spooner: Post your name in the comments.
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  Cathi Spooner: Where are you from?
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  Cathi Spooner: What population do you work with?
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  Cathi Spooner: Do you have questions?
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  Cathi Spooner: I'd love to hear your questions or feel free to comment during the live stream episode.
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  Cathi Spooner: And the only thing that I ask if you're posting during the live stream or even if you're watching the replay.
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  Cathi Spooner: The only thing that I ask is not to post information or questions about specific clients because it is a public format and we do want to make sure to, to be mindful of privacy issues.
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  Cathi Spooner: For those of you listening on the podcast, I would still love to hear your comments.
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  Cathi Spooner: Feel free to email me, post your comments and let's get started for today.
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  Cathi Spooner: First of all, let's define, so today what we're talking about is how does good case conceptualization benefit play therapy clients.
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  Cathi Spooner: First of all, let's define what case conceptualization is because it's a really fancy term and just making sure we're all kind of on the same page about that.
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  Cathi Spooner: Case conceptualization is really that process you go through to take that information that you've gathered, all of the details about the symptoms that your clients are presenting.
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  Cathi Spooner: You're exploring history, maybe family history, um, school history, developmental history, what gathering information about all kinds of things going on in their lives.
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  Cathi Spooner: How are they doing to give you a better idea of your client and their family system.
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  Cathi Spooner: And how those things all influence your client and what's going on in their current life.
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  Cathi Spooner: So all of those questions that you're asking and to gather that information, you're going to take that information to formulate your case conceptualization.
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  Cathi Spooner: Which essentially is what, what's at the root of the problem?
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  Cathi Spooner: Like what, what is going on that's activating that behavior?
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  Cathi Spooner: And then also identifying all of those patterns that are going on in your client's lives that are sustaining and maintaining those symptoms.
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  Cathi Spooner: So that's, that's essentially what case conceptualization is.
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  Cathi Spooner: I look at case conceptualization as being a good clinical detective.
• 7:05
  Cathi Spooner: I love a good mystery, a good detective story.
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  Cathi Spooner: That's my, that's what I do in my off time to kind of clear my brain.
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  Cathi Spooner: But I, I love that idea of figuring out, collecting all the cues, all the clues.
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  Cathi Spooner: to figure out the mystery and the mystery is what the heck is going on with my client.
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  Cathi Spooner: So it's kind of like you go into clinical detective mode to figure out the clues to better understand what's going on with your client and why are these things happening.
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  Cathi Spooner: I always kind of look at it also, um, that analogy of like going to the doctor's office, because a lot of times that what I'll hear from play therapists is they feel like if they ask a lot of questions, it'll make their clients uncomfortable and it'll feel like they're not really getting started.
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  Cathi Spooner: Like the reason they're coming is for the change process.
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  Cathi Spooner: Plus they worry about asking all of those questions that it might be kind of uncomfortable for their clients.
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  Cathi Spooner: And that is a valid point.
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  Cathi Spooner: So you have to be careful how you ask the questions and be mindful of that it might activate your clients or parents, right?
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  Cathi Spooner: Because typically when I'm doing that diagnostic assessment, typically I don't have the child present at that very first session because I really want to have some privacy to gather all of that information.
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  Cathi Spooner: That being said, I have to be mindful of this is their parent and this is challenging for them as well.
• 8:51
  Cathi Spooner: So I want to be mindful how I ask the questions, but I still want to ask the questions because I'm not going to find out really what are at the roots of the problem unless I ask the question.
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  Cathi Spooner: So a lot of times that's the reason play therapists don't want to ask the questions.
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  Cathi Spooner: And I like to use the analogy of how many of you have ever gone to the doctor or maybe you've taken your kids to the doctor.
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  Cathi Spooner: Like my kids are older and, but I remember when they were little, especially my first child, you know, I don't know anything.
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  Cathi Spooner: And everything, you know, I want to be a good mom and I want to make sure all their health things are good and they get sick.
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  Cathi Spooner: I don't know what, you know, I haven't been through this before.
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  Cathi Spooner: I want to make sure that they get the best care.
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  Cathi Spooner: So how many of you have gone to the doctor maybe when your kids were little and the doctor only asked one or two questions and then wrote a script.
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  Cathi Spooner: Well, in my mind, I'm like, does that really instill confidence that they've gotten the right thing, especially if you have to go back once or twice.
• 9:59
  Cathi Spooner: Right.
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  Cathi Spooner: But when the doctor really starts asking a lot of questions, because I don't know, I'm the parent, I don't know what questions they need to be asking me.
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  Cathi Spooner: In my mind, I'm relying on the doctor to know what questions they need to ask, so they can figure out what's going on with my child.
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  Cathi Spooner: And when they start asking questions and it lines up with what's going on with my client, then I'm going to feel more confident that my doctor actually knows what's going on.
• 10:34
  Cathi Spooner: And the more questions the doctor asked when my kids were little, the more confident I felt that the doctor was really intent on figuring out what was going on.
• 10:46
  Cathi Spooner: Well, that's the same way in mental health when we're asking questions to get to the, really the heart of what's going on with clients.
• 10:56
  Cathi Spooner: I always tell people that I supervise, and I talk about this all the time in Play Therapy Academy.
• 11:02
  Cathi Spooner: So, uh, if you're interested, Play Therapy Academy is my online play therapy consultation program.
• 11:10
  Cathi Spooner: I'll talk about it a little bit at the end because they do currently have openings.
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  Cathi Spooner: I don't intend, uh, I don't anticipate those are going to last very long, but I do have openings.
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  Cathi Spooner: So I'll talk about that.
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  Cathi Spooner: And so in Play Therapy Academy, we meet for online group consultation meetings.
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  Cathi Spooner: There are some courses in there.
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  Cathi Spooner: We have a group chat.
• 11:32
  Cathi Spooner: One of the things that comes up a lot.
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  Cathi Spooner: And I talk to people about all the time is when you're talking about symptoms, you want to think frequency, intensity, and duration.
• 11:46
  Cathi Spooner: Like I have people, I kind of drill it into their heads a little bit like frequency, intensity, and duration, frequency, intensity, and duration.
• 11:56
  Cathi Spooner: If you're asking about symptoms, ask frequency, intensity, and duration.
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  Cathi Spooner: That is such a critical part of that information gathering.
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  Cathi Spooner: Because your case conceptualization can it'll it could be like the difference between going right and going and going left if you don't have all that information.
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  Cathi Spooner: It will influence your case conceptualization because you may not have all of the information that you need.
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  Cathi Spooner: So I know people worry about asking too many questions, taking too much time and not getting into the healing part, you know, the play therapy sessions.
• 12:40
  Cathi Spooner: But I think it's a mistake because you miss it a lot and one of the things that comes up all the time when I'm talking to people and we have these conversations in Play Therapy Academy and I've had people in there for a long time and new people coming in I think at this point they kind of know Cathi gonna ask did you do your information gathering so they already know to give me those answers, and they already know that it's a really important part of the process.
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  Cathi Spooner: And if you don't take that time, then your case conceptualization may not be as accurate as possible.
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  Cathi Spooner: So that said, we want to, we want to do that information gathering at the very first session.
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  Cathi Spooner: Or maybe you're in an agency where you take two to three or even four sessions for all that assessment gathering.
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  Cathi Spooner: We also know that assessment is ongoing throughout the treatment process.
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  Cathi Spooner: So, so assessment really, in my mind, never really stops throughout the case, uh, the play therapy process.
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  Cathi Spooner: And then we're kind of always taking in new information and seeing how that lines up with our initial case conceptualization.
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  Cathi Spooner: So it's both ongoing and you really want to take that time at the beginning to formulate your clinical case conceptualization.
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  Cathi Spooner: The other thing is your case conceptualization is going to be influenced by your play therapy model.
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  Cathi Spooner: So theory drives application.
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  Cathi Spooner: That's what I say all the time.
• 14:31
  Cathi Spooner: Theory drives application, meaning your theoretical model is going to influence how you make sense of what the problem is and why the problem is happening.
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  Cathi Spooner: So for example, the way child centered play therapy would conceptualize the problem and why it's happening will be different than maybe Adlerian play therapy would conceptualize the problem and why it's happening.
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  Cathi Spooner: There's probably some overlap and the work they, those different theoretical models are going to conceptualize it differently.
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  Cathi Spooner: Even if you're using an integrative play therapy model, which a lot of people do, including myself, I would say my, my foundational theoretical model that I operate out of is attachment and neuroscience.
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  Cathi Spooner: And so in my mind, child centered play therapy, which is a model that I like using the young kids.
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  Cathi Spooner: So if they're young, I'm going to use child centered play therapy.
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  Cathi Spooner: Even with child centered play therapy, I will kind of conceptualize using that neuroscience and attachment lens.
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  Cathi Spooner: With older kids, when I'm using a more integrative model, I'm still conceptualizing it that way.
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  Cathi Spooner: And the thing about good case conceptualization is it's going to help you figure out what the problem is and why is it happening?
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  Cathi Spooner: Because in order to answer the question of how do I help my clients, you really need to understand what's activating the symptoms, what's going on with those symptoms, and why are they happening?
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  Cathi Spooner: What are those patterns that are going on?
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  Cathi Spooner: So that when you're doing that treatment planning process, you'll have an idea where you need to target things.
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  Cathi Spooner: So, usually, you know, you do consultation.
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  Cathi Spooner: The question is, how do I help my clients?
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  Cathi Spooner: Well, in order to really understand how to help your clients, you really need to understand first what's going on with them.
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  Cathi Spooner: Which brings me to the next point for today, which is what are the benefits to your clients?
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  Cathi Spooner: If you're going to take that time to gather all the information and you're going to you know, hold off on actually doing the, the treatment implementation in the sessions, then I think it's always important to understand, well, how is this going to benefit my clients, right?
• 17:19
  Cathi Spooner: That's what we all want to know.
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  Cathi Spooner: We want to make sure that whatever we're doing, we're helping our clients.
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  Cathi Spooner: So the benefit to your client is if you have a better idea of what's going on with them, then you're going to be able to help them get better.
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  Cathi Spooner: Your ability to, um, get better treatment outcomes sooner, it greatly increases because you, you're able to target the right areas.
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  Cathi Spooner: Especially if you're using a play therapy model where you can sometimes lead, maybe you'll lead sometimes, maybe the client leads.
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  Cathi Spooner: Even with child centered play therapy, because if you're using child centered play therapy, you're not leading.
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  Cathi Spooner: Right?
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  Cathi Spooner: That you're always following.
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  Cathi Spooner: Child centered play therapy is the therapist follows.
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  Cathi Spooner: That being said, if you, if you have a good case conceptualization, then in the sessions when you're following and you're doing your tracking and you're recognizing the themes, you're kind of seeing where that fits in with your case conceptualization and it can help you with your tracking statements.
• 18:41
  Cathi Spooner: And making sure that you're reflecting maybe some of those things that are going on in the session and maybe be a little more targeted with what you're reflecting.
• 18:54
  Cathi Spooner: So I would say good case conceptualization, regardless of what play therapy model you're using, can help you target the right areas more accurately to get better treatment outcomes for your client because you're going to have a better idea what's going on with them.
• 19:16
  Cathi Spooner: And then throughout the change process for play therapy, you're just going to continue that assessment process and kind of fine tune and hone your case conceptualization for your client throughout the change process.
• 19:34
  Cathi Spooner: The benefit for play therapists, and to me this is a big one, and I, I find this one a lot because these are the things that we, we really target in Play Therapy Academy is how do you develop your play therapy competency skills to be the best version of you as a play therapist?
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  Cathi Spooner: So you feel like you are making a difference in the lives of your clients, right?
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  Cathi Spooner: That's why we get into this field.
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  Cathi Spooner: We want to make a difference.
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  Cathi Spooner: We want to help our clients.
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  Cathi Spooner: We want, we want to be a positive influence in their lives.
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  Cathi Spooner: Well, if you have a better idea what's going on then you're going to feel like you're making more of a difference in their life because you feel more confident in your skills.
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  Cathi Spooner: And one, so the Association for Play Therapy here in the United States has identified core competencies for play therapists.
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  Cathi Spooner: So if you go on their website, which is the association for play therapy, then you could do a search.
• 20:42
  Cathi Spooner: They have the core competencies on there if you want to take a better look at those.
• 20:48
  Cathi Spooner: Um, so I'm going to read the core competency that is relevant for this discussion about case conceptualization and it is competency two, the category is competency two clinical play therapy skills.
• 21:03
  Cathi Spooner: And so this is 2C, which says, apply assessments that highlight various aspects of the child and or system and the play therapy process.
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  Cathi Spooner: For example, conceptualization, diagnosis, family dynamics, treatment suitability, and effectiveness and termination.
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  Cathi Spooner: So that whole case conceptualization is then going to give you an idea for your treatment planning.
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  Cathi Spooner: What do I need to, what do we need to focus on in the treatment process?
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  Cathi Spooner: And your treatment plan is essentially your roadmap.
• 21:44
  Cathi Spooner: Here's what we're going to do.
• 21:45
  Cathi Spooner: Here's our roadmap.
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  Cathi Spooner: Here's the framework that we're going to use.
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  Cathi Spooner: Here are all the things that we want to target in order to improve the situation that's going on for your client.
• 21:59
  Cathi Spooner: In order to have what I believe was, is a useful and effective treatment plan that you feel like you're actually able to use rather than just to appease the documentation gods.
• 22:13
  Cathi Spooner: And then you're like, no, check that box off.
• 22:16
  Cathi Spooner: I never use it again.
• 22:17
  Cathi Spooner: I mean, if you're to me, a treatment plan can be a really useful tool.
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  Cathi Spooner: In order to have that useful tool you have to really understand what the problem is and that's your case conceptualization.
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  Cathi Spooner: So that's the other benefit for play therapists is having a good starting point and helping you figure out what what needs to go in the treatment plan.
• 22:43
  Cathi Spooner: And the to me, the other benefit is something that we don't talk about very much.
• 22:48
  Cathi Spooner: I talk about it pretty regularly on my live stream and the podcast which is imposter syndrome.
• 22:58
  Cathi Spooner: Imposter syndrome is feeling like you don't know what you're doing and you have this dread and fear and terror that any day now your client's parents are going to figure out that you're a big giant fraud and that you don't actually know what you're doing and you're wasting their time and money.
• 23:18
  Cathi Spooner: That you know, your imposter syndrome has gotten activated if those thoughts pop up in your head.
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  Cathi Spooner: To me, part of developing those competencies for play therapy is making sure your imposter syndrome goes away and you can tell it the truth, which is you are doing a good job.
• 23:40
  Cathi Spooner: You do know what you're doing and you are able to help their client and make a difference in their lives.
• 23:47
  Cathi Spooner: So we talk about this a lot in Play Therapy Academy, um, doing that skill development, helping you develop your confidence and, and your skills.
• 24:00
  Cathi Spooner: The more you develop your skills, the more confidence you have, right?
• 24:03
  Cathi Spooner: And then you go try it out with your clients and you see that it actually works.
• 24:07
  Cathi Spooner: You see how to actually apply the play therapy model from session to session to session with various clients with various presenting problems, right?
• 24:18
  Cathi Spooner: Your confidence grows.
• 24:20
  Cathi Spooner: And now you're also focused on honing those case conceptualization skills.
• 24:28
  Cathi Spooner: So that is it for today.
• 24:31
  Cathi Spooner: Let me just do a quick recap for today.
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  Cathi Spooner: One is defining case conceptualization.
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  Cathi Spooner: And I like to think of that very first session as an opportunity to gather as much information as possible so I can get a really good sense of what is going on with my clients.
• 24:52
  Cathi Spooner: And to know how to support them and their and their parents.
• 24:57
  Cathi Spooner: In order to do that, I need to be a really good clinical case.
• 25:02
  Cathi Spooner: detective, meaning I need to ask all the questions, gather all the information, use that information to formulate my understanding of what is going on with my clients.
• 25:18
  Cathi Spooner: And what patterns, what are the things going on in their lives that are, um, sustaining this and creating the problem.
• 25:29
  Cathi Spooner: So that's, that's a fancy way of saying that's case conceptualization is a fancy way of saying that in two words or less.
• 25:41
  Cathi Spooner: The benefit of for clients is if you take that time to do that thorough assessment to do your case conceptualization.
• 25:52
  Cathi Spooner: Another word is case formulation, clinical case formulation, clinical case conceptualization.
• 26:00
  Cathi Spooner: They are, they're all kind of the same thing.
• 26:04
  Cathi Spooner: If you take that time to gather all of that information and formulate your case conceptualization, now you have a good starting point to understand and identify the best way to help them.
• 26:21
  Cathi Spooner: So you're, for your clients, you're actually targeting what's really going on.
• 26:28
  Cathi Spooner: And tuning in to what are all of the factors that are at play that are contributing this so that they, those can be targeted during the treatment change process.
• 26:40
  Cathi Spooner: And your clients can actually get better in the, in the quickest amount of time as possible.
• 26:50
  Cathi Spooner: So that doesn't always mean 12 sessions or less.
• 26:54
  Cathi Spooner: A lot of times it's, I don't know, for you guys, I find most of my clients, I see them for at least a year.
• 27:03
  Cathi Spooner: I see pretty complex clients a lot of times too, so it's usually longer than that.
• 27:08
  Cathi Spooner: And it's still beneficial to have an idea where you're going and what needs to happen in that change process.
• 27:17
  Cathi Spooner: And in order to do that, you need to understand what's going on with them.
• 27:23
  Cathi Spooner: So the, the benefit, that's the benefit, your clients.
• 27:27
  Cathi Spooner: The benefit for play therapists is you're developing your skills.
• 27:33
  Cathi Spooner: You're feeling more competent in your abilities.
• 27:36
  Cathi Spooner: You're feeling good that you're making a difference in the lives of your clients because you have taken the time to gather all of that information and you're now seeing how that information is beneficial for you to help your clients in the most effective way in the change process.
• 27:58
  Cathi Spooner: And the byproduct of this, the added bonus is your imposter syndrome begins to go away.
• 28:07
  Cathi Spooner: Because now you have a better idea of what's going on with your clients and you feel like you're making a difference and that helps you feel good, which is why we do this in the first place, right?
• 28:17
  Cathi Spooner: We want to help make a difference in the lives of our clients.
• 28:22
  Cathi Spooner: So that is it for today.
• 28:25
  Cathi Spooner: If you're interested in Play Therapy Academy, I do have some openings.
• 28:30
  Cathi Spooner: I have three openings.
• 28:32
  Cathi Spooner: I might have four in 2025, but for now I have three openings.
• 28:39
  Cathi Spooner: I have one opening in my Saturday group and two openings in my Wednesday group.
• 28:45
  Cathi Spooner: In Play Therapy Academy we meet twice a month.
• 28:49
  Cathi Spooner: We have a whole structure for case presentation.
• 28:53
  Cathi Spooner: There's dedicated time for you to get feedback on your clients because we have a schedule of who's presenting that way you know, you get time.
• 29:04
  Cathi Spooner: And we have dedicated time to support you.
• 29:08
  Cathi Spooner: The other thing is though because it's group you're not only getting my feedback you're getting all the feedback from the amazing other play therapists in the group.
• 29:19
  Cathi Spooner: And we have two really amazing groups.
• 29:23
  Cathi Spooner: And oftentimes I, people will give feedback that I hadn't thought of in the moment and it's such really good feedback.
• 29:31
  Cathi Spooner: So it's really nice.
• 29:33
  Cathi Spooner: You not only get my 30 plus years, you really get the wisdom of the group and all their experiences and expertise.
• 29:42
  Cathi Spooner: So I feel like it's a really richer, learning environment.
• 29:49
  Cathi Spooner: Also in Play Therapy Academy program are some online courses, one of which is Getting Grounded in Play Therapy Case Conceptualization, which is kind of what we're talking about today.
• 30:02
  Cathi Spooner: So there are online courses to help you learn the skills and then you go apply this with your clients and then we have our group consultation where you have the opportunity to get some feedback about your specific clients and some of the things that you're understanding.
• 30:21
  Cathi Spooner: And then we also have a group chat feature for support in between group sessions.
• 30:27
  Cathi Spooner: So I tried to, I kind of call it like a VIP experience.
• 30:31
  Cathi Spooner: I was trying to figure out a way to get some really solid support while you're learning how to do play therapy and develop your skills and get rid of your imposter syndrome.
• 30:45
  Cathi Spooner: So if you are interested in Play Therapy Academy, then you can pop over to my website at rhplaytherapytraining.
• 30:57
  Cathi Spooner: com.
• 30:59
  Cathi Spooner: You'll want to, uh, click on the supervision page and look for Play Therapy Academy.
• 31:04
  Cathi Spooner: We will also post the link for Play Therapy Academy in the comments.
• 31:12
  Cathi Spooner: And if, um, if you feel like it's something you want to explore, then schedule a 30 minute video call with me.
• 31:19
  Cathi Spooner: It's a free video call to talk about play therapy.
• 31:23
  Cathi Spooner: How can it help play therapy academy.
• 31:25
  Cathi Spooner: See how it can help you.
• 31:28
  Cathi Spooner: So, if you're interested, just go ahead and schedule a 30 minute video call.
• 31:35
  Cathi Spooner: If you're on the website, then you can click on supervision page.
• 31:41
  Cathi Spooner: You'll be able to see the schedule, a 30 minute video call with me.
• 31:45
  Cathi Spooner: We'll also put a link in the comments so that you can just schedule a video call with me.
• 31:51
  Cathi Spooner: It's 30 minutes.
• 31:53
  Cathi Spooner: Also, um, just kind of a heads up next week.
• 31:59
  Cathi Spooner: I have, uh, I will have a holiday kind of flash sale on documentation, which is going to include case conceptualization treatment planning and progress notes.
• 32:13
  Cathi Spooner: So heads up that's next week.
• 32:16
  Cathi Spooner: You probably want to stay to stay tuned for that that that's I'm gonna do that course Documentation bundle sale if you're not interested in that and maybe you just want the case conceptualization course then pop over to my website and look on the courses page.
• 32:34
  Cathi Spooner: You'll be able to find all the courses I have on there so go check out my website, schedule a video call if you're interested in Play Therapy Academy, and I will see you next week.
• 32:48
  Cathi Spooner: Bye for now.
• 32:55
  Cathi Spooner: Thank you for joining me on this episode of Next Level Play Therapy.
• 32:59
  Cathi Spooner: I hope you found the discussion valuable and gained new insights and ideas to support your work helping children, adolescents, and families heal.
• 33:09
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• 33:14
  Cathi Spooner: Your feedback helps to improve and reach more people who can benefit from this information.
• 33:20
  Cathi Spooner: Remember, Play Therapy is a powerful tool for healing and growth.
• 33:25
  Cathi Spooner: Whether you're a new play therapist or experienced, I encourage you to continue your learning journey to unlock the potential of play in your own work and relationships.
• 33:36
  Cathi Spooner: If you have any questions, or topics, suggestions for future episodes, I'd love to hear from you.
• 33:43
  Cathi Spooner: Connect with me on social media and visit my website at Renewing Hearts Play Therapy Training to stay updated on upcoming episodes, trainings, and resources.
• 33:55
  Cathi Spooner: Thank you once again for listening to Next Level Play Therapy.
• 33:59
  Cathi Spooner: Until next time, keep playing, learning, and growing.