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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Speaker 3: It must be very easy to get people to do
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your show.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yeah, seeing how we give away millions
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of dollars. Yeah, usually people are very excited about it.
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The only hard part for us is, you know, if
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it's a longer one, just the time off work. Because
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sometimes when we shoot like beast games or stuff, you know,
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it can go for a month.
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Speaker 1: But besides the work stuff, of course.
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Speaker 5: Are there people that haven't been able to do the
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show because they couldn't get a month off work?
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, tons, of course.
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Speaker 4: So we always have, like, even, like, the day before,
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you know, sometimes people get cold feet. So if we're
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doing something with 100 people, we'll usually have 10 backups
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just because, you know.
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Speaker 5: I would imagine that the type of person that would
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do your show would have a job that they could quit.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends, right?
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Speaker 4: Whether it's the YouTube channel where we're doing 100 families
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compete for $ 250, 000 or it's Beast Games where they're competing
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for $ 5 million. The $ 5 million, people are way more
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excited for. Some of the YouTube videos, it's not as grandiose.
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They're like, I don't know if I want to lose
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my job for a 1% chance of winning $ 250, 000.
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Speaker 3: Well, how many people, when you do Beast Games, how
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many people are competing?
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Speaker 4: So the newest season we just shot, we grabbed one
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person from every country on Earth.
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Speaker 1: So it was around 200.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Which was actually pretty cool because you would put them
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in these like crazy games and you'd see how someone
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from like the Asian Pacific countries would react versus like
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someone in South America. And they play and think so
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differently because they have such different upbringings. So it was
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really cool.
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Speaker 5: Did you have to– I mean you must have had
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to thoroughly vet these people, right?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Make sure they're not insane? Make sure you don't have
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a serial killer?
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Speaker 1: We do the psych and background checks, of course.
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Speaker 3: How do you get that information if you're going... I mean,
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if you have... How many countries are there, first of all?
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Speaker 4: It's 190... We went off of whatever the Olympics do,
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so it's like something around 200.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, plus or minus a couple.
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Speaker 3: So some of them have to have some shitty infrastructure.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I think one of them has literally 40,000
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people living in it. Like, it was... What is it?
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Not the....
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Speaker 4: Something sea islands, not the Cayman Islands, but some island country.
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And yeah, I was like, wow, like my town, which
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has 100,000 people, is two and a half times the
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population of your country. I was joking with the contestant
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because I was like, if you win the $ 5 million,
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you could technically give a $ 200 dividend to every single
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person in your country.
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Speaker 1: It's like, it's that crazy. It's that little people living there.
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Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah. That's the kind of country you're like, I
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wonder if you could buy that country.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the GDP is probably, you know, a couple
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hundred million dollars if I were to guess.
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Speaker 3: Someone like Elon or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Could buy a country. There's probably thousands of people in
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America that could. I mean, I feel bad. People from
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that country listening.
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Speaker 3: Well, we didn't say the country.
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Speaker 1: Okay, true, true.
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Speaker 3: We're good. We didn't say it.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: It's not yours. They should know what they are. They're
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a country of 40,000 people. That's just what it is.
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Nothing wrong with that.
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Speaker 5: But it is weird how many countries there are. And
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if you've got a person from every country– What are
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the odds you're going to get good data as to
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whether or not they're a criminal?
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Speaker 4: Well, that's why– I mean if you saw like our
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budgets on what I have to spend on casting those people,
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it was ridiculous to be able to get them all.
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Because basically what we did is we grabbed multiple options
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for each country. And what I was worried about is
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that like the contestant from blank country would suck. And
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then the country would be like, Jimmy, you hate us
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and you purposely picked this absolute moron.
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Speaker 1: So we would pick two or three.
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Speaker 4: From each country and then we let people from those
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countries vote on who should compete.
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't even one. I had to get multiple
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from each.
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Speaker 4: So I think I ended up spending over a million
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dollars just on aggregating and casting and background checks and everything.
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and then putting it out there so people can vote
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on it. But that way, you know, whatever, like Georgia
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and Europe, if that guy's an absolute moron, it's on them.
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Speaker 1: They picked him.
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Speaker 3: Right. That's actually very smart. Exactly. How did you come
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up with the concept for this show? First of all,
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how the fuck do you have time to do that
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show as well as do your YouTube show? Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I just don't sleep much during those because, like, Beast
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Games basically– is 30 days of just 18 hours a
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day filming. And for people who might not have heard
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of it, it's essentially the largest cash prize of any
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show in the world. Season one, we had the most
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contestants of any show in the world and the largest
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sets of any show ever to exist.
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Speaker 1: And I was just like, what if.
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Speaker 4: You take a reality show, but you just ramp everything
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up to the absolute maximum? And season one, we gave
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away $ 22 million just in one season. And some of
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the biggest game shows in the world right now give
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away $ 250, 000. We're giving away $ 2 million every episode.
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Speaker 3: Look at that. That's wild. That's so crazy. That set's amazing, dude.
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Speaker 1: And then we build a city.
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Speaker 3: Holy shit.
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Speaker 4: My whole thesis behind it with this is, when you
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watch these game shows or reality shows, there's a lot
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of takeaways. And after the show, they'll put people in
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a room and they'll be like, hey, talk about what
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happened here.
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Speaker 1: And it's like intercut.
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Speaker 4: And I was like, Well, what if we just have
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a thousand cameras and we just let people be themselves
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and we kind of just show it in real time?
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So we also like in season one, we broke the
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world record of most cameras ever used in any production
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of any movie show, anything ever. So like this set
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right here, there's over twelve hundred cameras in there.
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Speaker 3: And the most room is so big.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's bigger than the football field. And so there's
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a thousand contestants. We have to have an ACAM on
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all of them. So there's like a poll on each
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of the platforms on them. plus there's hundreds of cameras
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in the roof and blah, blah. There's over 1,200 here,
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which outside of this, the most ever used in a
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production was 400. So I literally had to, and this
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might seem insane, but this is why I think the
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show appeals to quite a few people because normally in
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a show, they would have a story producer walk up
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to you, hold a camera and be like, all right,
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you got three minutes. You're kind of the bad guy.
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Say roughly along these lines, almost basically put words in
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your mouth. And then they'd go like person to person
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with like one camera. Whereas I go on the microphone, I.
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Speaker 1: Go, Say whatever the hell you want. We're recording you
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for the next 10 hours. I don't care. Right.
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Speaker 4: And you all have a dedicated camera on you. So
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then instead of like putting words in people's mouths, they
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can just.
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Speaker 1: Do whatever they want.
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Speaker 5: So do you have someone who actually has to go
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back and watch all that footage and edit it and
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then put it.
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Speaker 3: All out as a show? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is why.
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Speaker 3: How many people do you have doing your editing?
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Speaker 1: That's a season over 150 editors worked on it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Holy shit, man.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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Speaker 4: And that's obviously why people don't do it. Because it's
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like basically we had to spend millions of dollars in cameras.
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It was the world record for most cameras ever used,
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which then we also broke the world record for most
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camera cables used because it's 27 miles of camera cables.
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Broke the world record for the largest control room. Each
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of these is millions of dollars, and you have to
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bring in millions of dollars of extra editors. And so
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next thing you know, to take it from 10 cameras
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where you just essentially put words in people's mouths to
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unlimited cameras, and they can do whatever you want. You
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can show who they actually are as opposed to what
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you think they should be, right, with a story producer.
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Speaker 1: It costs a lot of money. It's a lot of
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effort and time.
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Speaker 4: But it shows through in the final product because now
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you get more natural, like less scripted things when people
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are just themselves.
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Speaker 3: You have a.
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Speaker 5: Great ability to like see the big picture and a
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great ability to put together things regardless of what the
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budget is, like regardless of how much money you're going
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to make to do the best product. Like I always
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thought that about you when you were doing– when you
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first started doing your YouTube show. I'm like, The amount
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of money and time and effort involved in this is
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like above and beyond what most people are willing to do.
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Speaker 3: And it's way.
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Speaker 5: More than a traditional television network would ever do because
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a traditional television network would look at the upside. They
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would look at the money and they would go, we're
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going to spend X amount of money to make it
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this much better. But if we just take it down
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a couple of notches, we save 80 percent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And they would do that. But you're like, can we
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make it even cooler?
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Speaker 5: Let's put all the money back into the show, which
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is very risky, man, because not just very risky. It's
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just very risky. you have great foresight. Like you really
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see the big picture of it. Obviously you have the
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number one show in the world. Like you have the
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most watched show on earth. You know, your YouTube show
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is the most watched show on planet earth. So it's
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obviously working.
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Speaker 3: But it's like that ability to take, to make that
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set and, Must have been bananas. That is a fucking
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enormous building. Did you have to build the building? No.
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Speaker 4: So that's in Toronto, but it's basically an airport hangar.
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I mean, we spent months trying to figure out how
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we could make this. That also is like a thousand
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trap doors because every single one of those, the trap
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doors open when they get eliminated.
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Speaker 1: So that set alone was like $ 15 million.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it was crazy. Oh, my God.
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Speaker 4: And thousands of people's time and stuff like that. It's
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actually– Where we film Beast Games is actually a pretty
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big deal because it creates so many local jobs for people.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like there, it was like pretty wild.
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Speaker 3: Can you say where you film it or you keep
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it under wraps?
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Speaker 1: That one was Toronto, Canada.
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Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
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Speaker 4: And every time I'd walk around on set, people were
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loving it because even though we filmed for 30 days,
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there's months leading up.
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Speaker 1: To it and months after.
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Speaker 3: Sure.
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Speaker 4: It gives people like consistent work for six months, whereas
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like before they're going project to project every week. But yeah,
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back on the going above and beyond, that's kind of
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my whole thing is like, why make content that isn't great?
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And we just ask ourselves, how do we make the
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best content possible as opposed to, you know, how do
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we make the most money possible? And when you just
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shockingly go in with that approach, you just kind.
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Speaker 3: Of make a lot of money. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And well, and also it's, I tell my team all
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the time too, like a big difference between us and
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other media companies is, you know, usually like people at
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the top will always shoot down crazy ideas or tell
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you it's not possible. Like whenever you have like these
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crazy brainstorming sessions and I tell the team, Technically, anything
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is possible. As humans, we really wanted to. We could
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technically blow up the moon with enough nukes. Now, we're
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not going to do it because it's not worth the
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time and it's not worth spending the money. But you
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have to have that frame of mind. Everything is, for
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the most part, possible if you're willing to spend the
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time and spend the money. So before you do the
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work and just figure out what time it takes and
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how much money it costs, you can't say no to something.
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Because almost all the time, like we filmed in the pyramids,
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and I spent a hundred hours living in the pyramids
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of Egypt it was fucking awesome and uh you know
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for years everyone's like they're not gonna let you you
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know live in the pyramids for a couple days like
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that's crazy and I'm like why not like did you
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get a no from the you know the leader of
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Egypt No, then I'm like, well, technically it's possible, you know? And,
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and after years of talking with them and helping them
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understand that, you know, it's going to be more of
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an educational type video. And it's not like, I'm not
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going to run up the pyramids and take my shirt
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off and be like a lunatic. It'll be really cool. Um,
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eventually they came around to it and they loved the
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video and it worked really well. And it's literally like,
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I could go anywhere in the pyramids for a hundred hours.
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I went all the way up to the top of
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the middle pyramid. We went underneath it.
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Speaker 1: It was, it was really cool.
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Speaker 4: And I like tell my team, it's like, you know,
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even some of my most veteran people, when we get
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these crazy ideas, their default reaction always is to go,
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I just don't think it's possible.
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Speaker 3: And I go, look, it is.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just time and money.
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 1: And is it worth the effort?
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Speaker 3: The pyramid one must've been nuts.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it was crazy. It was one of my favorite videos.
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Speaker 3: Is that your first time ever being there?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, actually it was.
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Speaker 4: And so that made it even more special because I
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was like learning things at the same time as I
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was just walking around and Um, I'm going to be honest.
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It was like a year and a half ago and
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it's like all a little fuzzy because I was like
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so tired. I was just walking around all night, but
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it was pretty crazy and surreal. And then going down
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into what's that tomb cold where you go down the
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ladder and, um, like a couple hundred feet, uh, underneath
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the pyramid.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Is that Osiris? Yes. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Osiris is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then, uh, it was like flooded and swimming around
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under there. It was pretty wild.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
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Speaker 1: I feel like you should do something like that.
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Speaker 3: A hundred percent. I need to go there. I've been
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talking about going there for years.
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Speaker 5: For me, it's just a time thing. My time is
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so many different jobs. It's not like one all-consuming job
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like you have. For me, it's like commentary for the UFC,
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doing stand-up comedy, doing the podcast, and also married with children.
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Speaker 3: I have a lot of responsibilities. So it's tough to
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just jet off for a month.
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Speaker 5: Really, ideally, if you're going to go to Egypt, I
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feel like you should go for like 10 days. I
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feel like at least 10 days.
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Speaker 1: Do you think the.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like maybe honestly, realistically, like five days
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you could do it. And I'm curious, though, if they'd
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let you just do a video where you walk around
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and go everywhere.
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Speaker 1: I wonder.
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Speaker 3: I've talked a lot of shit.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Without saying it, I'm kind of implying I don't
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even know if.
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Speaker 3: They'd want you there. Well, I never said anything bad
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about it.
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Speaker 5: I just think that the people that run it have
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a very narrow-minded perspective on of how all that stuff
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was made. And I don't think they really know. And
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I think there's a lot of gatekeeping in terms of
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what the official narrative is. It's like how it was
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all made and who made it and what it's all about.
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That's why they're really hesitant to accept any alternative perspectives
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because they have a timeline and they attribute all this construction.
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And there's a lot of evidence that that timeline doesn't
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make any sense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Did you check out the Sphinx? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And you can go underneath it and go in that
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little room.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Did you do that? Yeah. Wow.
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Speaker 1: That's the stuff. I feel like it would mean even
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more if you did. You've talked to Dr. Zahi, right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Did you have him on the show?
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I'm on the show. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Good. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so he's obviously the guy. So you should just
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call him and see.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'd rather go with somebody else. I'd rather go.
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Speaker 1: I didn't listen to that episode, did I?
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Speaker 3: I'd rather go hang out with one of the historians
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that I know.
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Speaker 1: Graham Hancock?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Graham Hancock would be the perfect guy to go with.
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Speaker 1: You and Graham Hancock walking around?
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Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
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Speaker 1: There would be some crazy stuff.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, whatever happened in that part of the world
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during that time frame is pretty spectacular. It's kind of
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amazing that no one has ever achieved anything remotely similar
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to it since. And it's at least 4,500 years old.
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That's just a guess, though.
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Speaker 3: They really don't know. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's a crazy place. The fact that you
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got to film a show there is nuts.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I love how you call it a show, and to
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me it's just a YouTube video, but it's just funny.
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Speaker 3: It's a show.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, of course. It makes sense because you
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do stuff with the UFC, and in your world a
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lot of it's called shows.
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Speaker 3: I mean, whatever it is, people are watching it. Yeah,
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I know. It's a show.
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Speaker 4: It's just funny to me. I haven't heard it called
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that in years. But, yeah, that one was crazy. And,
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I mean, one thing that I'm really proud of that
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we did for Season 3 of Beast Games, which– In hindsight,
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I'm not even sure how this one we pulled off.
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So I want to see your reaction to this. Basically,
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the finale where we have the $ 5 million, you have
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the final contestants.
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Speaker 1: We filmed it in the Roman Coliseum.
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Speaker 3: Whoa. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: We crowned the winner of season three with the $ 5
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million cash prize in the middle of the Roman Coliseum.
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Played the first game there in over a thousand years.
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Speaker 3: Wow. That's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I know. I'm so grateful. Like, we just filmed that too.
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Speaker 4: So I'm like coming off the high and I just like,
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like it almost makes, like gives me tears. Like what
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we shot was so cool. We had like a live orchestra,
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like the top ring of there too. So like as
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the game got dramatic, we would have them like.
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Speaker 1: Play louder music and stuff. It was like, So surreal.
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Speaker 4: Because I've done really crazy things in my life, but
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there's multiple moments during that where I'm just looking around
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in the middle of the Coliseum as we're filming this show,
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and I'm like, this doesn't feel real.
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Speaker 1: It was pretty wild.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't feel– I mean, I went just to visit
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a few years back, and it didn't feel real. It's
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so strange to imagine what that was like. How many
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thousand years ago? What year were.
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Speaker 3: They doing the games in the Roman Coliseum?
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Speaker 1: I would guess 1,900 years ago.
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Speaker 3: So, I mean, what the fuck was it like being
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in there while that was happening?
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Speaker 1: And imagine when they'd flood it and they'd have the
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ships in there. It's like, whoa.
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Speaker 3: Crazy.
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Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 5: It's nuts that you could go walk around it and
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just try to understand. Like, this used to be a
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place where people used to go to see people die.
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They used to see people get hacked to death by swords,
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to see people get killed by lions.
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Speaker 3: Like, what the fuck was.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's also interesting, too, because I did a lot
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of research, you know, before we filmed there. And it
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also did a good job of, you know, back then
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they had like the hierarchy and like the nobles people
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would sit at the bottom and the poor people be
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at the top. And it also played like a good
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role of like showcasing unity, even though there are all
16:24
these different people from all these different, you know, economic statuses.
16:27
They would all be in the arena there, but also
16:29
remind them where they are. And there's like so many
16:31
political implications of it, too. And so just everything about it.
16:34
Speaker 3: Like basketball games. Who gets courtside tickets?
16:37
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that.
16:40
Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson, courtside tickets. Famous people. Yeah, courtside tickets. True. Yeah.
16:45
I mean, it's the same thing.
16:46
Speaker 5: I think in the Coliseum, though, that was the most
16:48
dangerous seats because there was a couple of incidents, I believe,
16:52
when either a lion or a tiger leapt up and
16:56
got a hold of some people.
16:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
16:58
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't hear about that, but when I was
16:59
walking around, they would have the emperor seat right there,
17:04
and I was like, man.
17:05
Speaker 1: If I was a warrior, I could throw a spear
17:07
at him.
17:07
Speaker 4: Like, this is like, this is a killer view, but like,
17:10
how did no one ever just kill this guy?
17:11
Speaker 3: You know?
17:12
Speaker 1: Right.
17:12
Speaker 4: It was, I was like, that's all I could think about.
17:14
It's like, this is a little too close to the battlefield.
17:16
Speaker 3: How close is it?
17:17
Speaker 4: It was like whatever, four rows up. It wasn't like
17:20
anything too crazy. But like, there's like obviously walls when
17:24
you're walking around, like little walls. So you can't just,
17:25
you know, walk into the stand. So, so they're like
17:28
kind of trapped in the arena, but it was definitely
17:30
within spear throwing distance.
17:31
Speaker 3: I wonder how long it took to build that place.
17:34
Speaker 5: Because when you're walking around, you're like, this is an
17:36
epic piece of real estate. You guys built an insane structure.
17:45
And they did it almost 2,000 years ago or whatever
17:48
it was.
17:49
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it took eight years to build.
17:52
Speaker 6: Wow.
17:53
Speaker 3: From AD 72 to AD 80. Yeah. Wow. Construction started under....
18:01
Speaker 5: Vespasian between AD 70 and 72. It was completed and
18:06
inaugurated under Emperor Titus around AD 79 to 80. So
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the main build phase lasted roughly six to eight years.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fascinating too because I like to think of
19:32
like something equivalent now would be like maybe SoFi Stadium.
19:35
Like that's such a beautiful, massive stadium. I wonder if
19:38
like 2,000 years from now, would that still be there?
19:41
Roman Colosseum's relatively still intact.
19:44
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy.
19:45
Speaker 5: That's what's crazy. Well, it's because it's made out of stone.
19:48
All of our stuff, like cement, will rot.
19:50
Speaker 6: Out.
19:50
Speaker 5: There's no way cement lasts a thousand years. All the glass,
19:53
all the– everything will just get absorbed back into the earth.
19:56
Speaker 3: Dang. Do you ever see that show?
19:57
Speaker 5: They had a show like– what was it on the
19:59
History Channel or something like that where it was After
20:02
Humans I think it was called? And it essentially showed
20:05
how long it would take for cities to completely be
20:08
absorbed back.
20:09
Speaker 3: Into the earth. It's not that long. Yeah. It's not
20:12
that long. No. It's like a few hundred years and
20:14
there's nothing left. Wow. Yeah.
20:16
Speaker 1: Actually seems like a good show.
20:18
Speaker 6: Yeah.
20:18
Speaker 5: It was kind of interesting. It was a while ago.
20:20
So it was probably like shitty AI. It was shitty CGI.
20:23
Speaker 3: They could probably do it really good now. Yeah.
20:25
Speaker 5: But I mean if you go to Detroit, there's houses
20:28
in Detroit now that have trees growing out of the
20:32
basement of the house.
20:33
Speaker 3: Through the roof.
20:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:34
Speaker 5: Like they've taken over the house and nature is slowly
20:38
but surely absorbing– The building. And then skyscrapers are a
20:42
bigger endeavor, but they could still... Nature could still do it.
20:45
Speaker 3: It just takes enough time.
20:47
Speaker 1: That makes me.
20:47
Speaker 4: Where my brain goes to is it makes me want
20:49
to do a video where it's, like... Eventually, there's, like,
20:51
an abandoned village or city that's been overgrown. And, like,
20:54
doing a video titled, like, Last Human on Earth Simulation.
20:57
And then, like, living there for a month or so
21:00
and seeing what it's like.
21:01
Speaker 3: That would be kind of cool.
21:02
Speaker 1: Kind of like the Will Smith movie back in the day.
21:04
Speaker 3: Right.
21:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:06
Speaker 4: That would be so fascinating, like, to... Or maybe do
21:09
it with a contestant. Like, hey, if you spend one
21:11
month in this isolated civilization, I'll give you a million
21:16
dollars or something. And then seeing how they use 100-year-old
21:19
buildings or something.
21:20
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's got my brain churning.
21:22
Speaker 3: It's not a bad idea, like an I Am Legend
21:23
type deal.
21:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, but real unscripted? Exactly.
21:26
Speaker 3: Right, real unscripted, but then also hire people to be
21:29
zombies and haunt these people while they're sleeping.
21:31
Speaker 1: I love where your brain goes.
21:32
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah.
21:33
Speaker 5: Hire people, like, CGI them up, scare the fuck out
21:37
of people.
21:38
Speaker 4: I've been wanting to do that for a while, but
21:39
I always get, like, hung up on, like, okay, I
21:42
can make some real zombies, but the problem is, like,
21:44
how do they kill them?
21:45
Speaker 3: And then, you know.
21:46
Speaker 5: Well, the other problem is what happens if you're not
21:49
telling these contestants what That zombies are coming. You're just
21:52
trying to get a reaction out of them. What if
21:54
this guy thinks it's a real zombie and kills one
21:56
of the people?
21:56
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we would tell him.
21:58
Speaker 4: I would have to say this is a zombie simulation.
22:01
And then I'd have to set rules on here's how
22:03
you kill a zombie. You don't use a– sword you
22:06
use this and it's lame which is why we never
22:08
got around to it but if there ever was a
22:10
way i do think that would be cool to like
22:12
recreate a actual zombie apocalypse and and like let someone
22:16
try to live in for a week because it'd just
22:17
be cool because everyone's exposure to this is through scripted
22:21
shows right but to see someone like truly live in
22:23
an unscripted one where we build rundown gas stations and
22:25
there's like food that like we would say this is
22:28
set in the year 2060 so i'd have set designers
22:30
and everything, design it where only Laffy Taffy is still
22:33
edible and stuff. And it was like a true recreation
22:35
of it. I've always wanted to do stuff like that.
22:38
Speaker 3: You could totally do that. There's a bunch of abandoned towns.
22:40
Speaker 4: No, it's just the one thing we could never figure
22:42
out is how does someone kill a zombie.
22:43
Speaker 1: And it's not lame, right? Because imagine someone with a
22:45
Nerf sword hitting a zombie. Now it's like, okay, this
22:48
is fucking lame.
22:48
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe a paintball type deal. Yeah.
22:54
Speaker 4: And that's where our head goes because we have a
22:56
different video, a similar thing. But the problem with paintball
22:59
and airsoft is then you have to wear.
23:00
Speaker 1: A mask, right? Because you don't want people to get
23:02
shot in the face, obviously. And then it kind of
23:04
kills it.
23:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, unless the zombie masks was the protection.
23:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, we put it over top of the paintball mask.
23:15
That's for poor actors.
23:18
Speaker 5: Or you just have– instead of like a regular paintball mask,
23:21
have something that's just a hard structure that is like
23:25
the shape of your face.
23:26
Speaker 3: Exactly. So you make it to form fits to your face.
23:29
And then you give them goggles, something clear so their
23:32
eyes are protected. And then you do all the makeup
23:34
on top of it. Yeah. You know what?
23:35
Speaker 1: I should hit you up for these zombie things.
23:38
Speaker 3: That actually would work. There you go. Yes, exactly that.
23:41
Speaker 1: That's perfect.
23:42
Speaker 3: That's an airsoft mask.
23:44
Speaker 1: That would be pretty cool.
23:46
Speaker 3: Oh, dude, that's actually dope. Look at those masks, the
23:49
half-faced zombie ones. Yeah.
23:51
Speaker 5: That's fucking dope. Like you could, that would be terrifying
23:54
coming at you in the middle of the night.
23:56
Speaker 4: Hey, if anyone listening wants to live in an abandoned
23:59
town for 10 days while zombies try to kill you.
24:02
Speaker 3: I think we're onto something now. Now that I saw
24:04
those masks, I'm like, okay, I like it. Cause that
24:06
could be the zombies.
24:07
Speaker 4: Well, where my head goes, because the videos are so big, right?
24:11
This is probably a five, $ 10 million project. It probably
24:13
would build this abandoned city. Do I am the last
24:17
man on the planet. And it's like me there for
24:19
some time. And then afterwards, like a couple months, like
24:21
film then right afterwards, film a video where I give
24:24
someone a million dollars. They live there for 10 days,
24:25
but they have to fend off zombies with their friends.
24:27
So then we reuse the set location because if I'm
24:29
going to completely set deck basically a whole city.
24:33
Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, that's going to be a monster.
24:35
Speaker 4: But, yeah, if I did both those back to back,
24:36
that actually be pretty, pretty gnarly and worth the effort.
24:39
Speaker 3: I think I like the idea now. Yeah.
24:41
Speaker 5: Now that I see those masks and I think about
24:44
like paintball or something along those lines.
24:47
Speaker 4: What I'm picturing, too, is ideally we could find a
24:49
scene with a skyscraper. Because I want someone with a
24:52
long lens pointed down. Picture them on a street. It's
24:55
pitch black and they have a fire. And it's them
24:57
and their three friends. And then they hear noise and
25:00
zombies and stuff. Those shots would be so beautiful. It
25:03
would probably be one of the most beautiful videos ever.
25:05
And I'm picturing we put vines on all the buildings
25:09
and stuff, too.
25:10
Speaker 3: Well, if you wanted no one around.
25:13
Speaker 5: It's going to be hard because you're going to have
25:14
to do it in an abandoned place.
25:15
Speaker 1: Exactly.
25:16
Speaker 3: And you're not going to get an abandoned skyscraper.
25:19
Speaker 1: Maybe. Unless you're in Detroit. Well, we also– it doesn't
25:22
have to be in the US.
25:23
Speaker 4: We did a video seven days in an abandoned city
25:25
where there's like someplace in Europe where there was a
25:28
city that was like war-torn and stuff like that. And
25:31
it had like hotels and tall buildings and everything. It
25:33
was pretty wild.
25:34
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah. And there's no one in it now? No,
25:36
no one in it.
25:37
Speaker 1: Like tourists go there or whatever. But they let us
25:39
close it off for a week. It was pretty crazy.
25:41
Speaker 3: Well, that's the place then. Yeah.
25:43
Speaker 4: I just wonder if they'll, you know, it's a little
25:45
bit of history there. So I doubt they'll let me
25:46
go in and like set deck everything like crazy, but.
25:49
Speaker 3: And also paintball everything.
25:50
Speaker 1: Exactly.
25:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:51
Speaker 4: Well, with those masks, we could do airsoft, which would
25:53
be maybe even easier. Well, actually, no, the problem with
25:55
airsoft then is the trust system. You don't know if
25:57
they got hit. So paintball is probably more effective.
25:59
Speaker 7: Yeah.
25:59
Speaker 3: You need paintball.
26:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:01
Speaker 3: You need paintball and it needs to look good when
26:03
it splatters against them.
26:05
Speaker 4: I just, you know, if someone on my team is
26:07
watching this, just clip the last 10 minutes of this
26:09
and send it to the creative team.
26:11
Speaker 1: You guys, I.
26:12
Speaker 3: Believe in you.
26:12
Speaker 5: Is there another way to kill a zombie other than
26:16
paintball that would be wild?
26:18
Speaker 3: Like, is there something else?
26:20
Speaker 4: Well, one thing we've been working on, because I've always
26:24
wanted to, like, do Hunger Games in real life as well,
26:26
is to, like, these, like, suits where you could, you know, electronic, like,
26:30
laser tag where you could just shoot and then it just, like,
26:32
lights up.
26:34
Speaker 5: What about shotguns with beanbags? You know, because they use
26:38
those for people to, like, take out like when the
26:42
non-lethal loads, you know, they have like bean bags that
26:46
they shoot out of a shotgun.
26:47
Speaker 4: The question I would need is like, If I shot
26:49
you with it like three feet away, would you still
26:51
be fine? I guess you could probably adjust the pressure
26:53
and stuff where it's not.
26:54
Speaker 3: Not really. Okay, well... I mean, you could, but you
26:58
couldn't bury it.
26:59
Speaker 1: See, this isn't Fear Factor.
27:01
Speaker 3: This is Mr. Beast. I understand, but it's a gray line.
27:05
You know, it's so funny.
27:07
Speaker 4: I need to give you a blunt and let you
27:08
just help me cook on this video. I can see
27:10
this is something you're interested in.
27:11
Speaker 3: There's something there.
27:12
Speaker 5: You just have to figure out an exciting way to
27:14
kill them where it doesn't actually hurt the stunt people
27:17
or whoever's wearing the masks.
27:18
Speaker 3: Exactly.
27:18
Speaker 5: Whoever pretends to be a zombie. It would have to
27:21
be something. I was thinking light him on fire, but that's.
27:25
Speaker 4: Could you pull up the seven days abandoned city video
27:27
and just skip to some random part? I'd love for
27:29
him to see like the, like how it looks because
27:33
that with what you're picturing and that really would be
27:35
something you can't find anywhere else. And that's what like
27:37
gets me excited is when it's content you can't find
27:40
anywhere else. That's typically, you know, a huge indicator that
27:43
if it's done.
27:43
Speaker 1: Well, people like it.
27:45
Speaker 3: Have you seen the show from, from, I don't think so. No,
27:48
it's great. Great show. But it's about these people.
27:50
Speaker 4: Wait, wait, look at that shot. Pause it right there.
27:54
So that's just one random building. But you can maybe
27:56
go to the intro or something if you want to
27:58
just show them like, Yeah, this whole place.
28:01
Speaker 3: Like, look at these buildings. Oh, my God. This is perfect. Yeah.
28:04
Speaker 1: And then, like, yeah, if you pause it there, those
28:05
are all the buildings in the city.
28:07
Speaker 3: Oh, dude, this is the spot. Listen, the show starts
28:11
at sundown every night.
28:13
Speaker 1: Okay.
28:14
Speaker 5: As soon as the sun goes down, that's when the
28:16
games begin. Nothing happens until it gets dark out. Everything
28:20
is in the dark. And these people have no idea
28:22
when it's going to happen, when they're going to get hit.
28:25
And so they try to get their sleep whenever they can.
28:27
But you keep them awake during the day with tasks.
28:30
You keep them awake.
28:31
Speaker 3: So during the day, they have all sorts of materials.
28:37
They have supplies. They have all sorts of things.
28:39
Speaker 5: And they have to figure out how to protect themselves,
28:42
how to develop shelter, alarm systems for when the zombies
28:47
are close.
28:48
Speaker 3: Oh, really? Yeah.
28:49
Speaker 5: Give them time to figure out stuff to do to
28:53
keep the zombies away. And a limited amount of materials
28:56
that they can work with. And just let these people
28:58
get creative in their ingenuity. But then you keep– so
29:01
they'll be busy during the day. So they're not going
29:03
to be able to sleep. So at nighttime when it
29:05
gets dark out, then they don't know when it's going
29:08
to hit. So you have these people sitting around and
29:10
it might be– 7 p.m., 8 p.m., 9 p.m., and then.
29:15
Speaker 3: 3 in the morning, shit starts happening.
29:17
Speaker 1: There's 30 zombies coming, and they've got to shoot them
29:19
all with paintballs.
29:19
Speaker 3: And they're creeping in. Yeah. Like, they're creeping in. Bro,
29:23
you're getting me excited.
29:24
Speaker 4: I mean, it would be so fucking cool to, like,
29:27
let them build a structure or something, and then, like
29:30
in I Am Legend where he has to point the
29:32
lights because they hate lights, but, like, at nighttime, like,
29:34
they'll have to, we can uh hide lights throughout the
29:36
city that they'd have to collect and then set up
29:38
so they have good vision around their fort and everything
29:40
and then they have like you know cycles where they
29:42
take turns watching and stuff and then we only send
29:45
the zombies out theoretically at night or whatever the structure
29:47
would be so they have chill time or maybe every
29:50
night 40 zombies are unleashed and then so they're like
29:53
they shot like 35 of them but they're like oh
29:55
shit there's five hidden around the city so that day
29:57
while they're walking around they're like on edge and the
29:59
tension throughout the day would be phenomenal yeah there's so
30:02
many cool ways to do.
30:03
Speaker 5: It and you know you don't have to tell them
30:06
that the zombies are only going to come out at
30:08
night yeah just have it that way I'm excited.
30:11
Speaker 4: We need to stop talking about this because I'm going
30:13
to leave and go film it right now.
30:15
Speaker 1: I'm fighting the urge to go call my team.
30:17
Speaker 5: Also, with the zombies, they can come out in the daytime.
30:21
These people don't know because they never do it.
30:23
Speaker 3: True.
30:24
Speaker 1: Like the first five days, it's only at night.
30:25
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:26
Speaker 1: And then day six, boom.
30:27
Speaker 3: Exactly. So people get snatched up in the middle of
30:29
their house.
30:30
Speaker 7: This company we used before as a gel blaster.
30:34
Speaker 1: It's almost like airsoft.
30:36
Speaker 6: But it doesn't hurt as bad.
30:37
Speaker 1: Oh, it shoots water?
30:38
Speaker 7: And these vests that they have set up, Our sensors,
30:42
so you can almost like what you're saying, it's like VR,
30:44
laser tag.
30:45
Speaker 3: So it lights up when you hit it?
30:47
Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's like a little talking system that says
30:48
you have this many shots left, you have this much
30:50
energy left.
30:50
Speaker 3: Can we see a video?
30:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, wait.
30:52
Speaker 3: Is this a video?
30:53
Speaker 6: We did this at night at somebody's house.
30:54
Speaker 3: Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When did you do this?
30:57
Speaker 6: A couple months ago.
30:58
Speaker 3: Oh, nice. I don't... Oh, shit. It's only coming out. Ah!
31:03
Speaker 1: Wait, actually, now that you've... Bad music. You pointed out,
31:06
I have seen like Nerf gel blasters. I actually never
31:08
thought of that.
31:09
Speaker 6: So, I mean, you could just redo the suits so
31:12
that it makes sense.
31:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then reskin the guns because those look a
31:14
little lame. But, yeah, that would be.
31:16
Speaker 3: It's kind of lame. I kind of like shotguns with beanbags.
31:19
Speaker 1: Let's fuck people up.
31:20
Speaker 4: I think we all can easily picture the aesthetic you're
31:22
looking for. I have to find the blend between Joe's, like,
31:26
recreation of this video.
31:28
Speaker 1: And, like, what I could actually do. But I actually
31:30
am more inspired than ever. I think it's very doable.
31:32
Speaker 3: It's very doable. You just have to figure out a
31:34
way to make it exciting but still not hurt anybody. Exactly.
31:37
You know, not hurt the zombies. You'd have to, like,
31:40
armor these people up somehow.
31:42
Speaker 4: I mean, well, the thing, too, is, like, you know,
31:45
one thing that would help is, like, if the zombies
31:47
were ex-Navy SEALs or something, then it's a little different
31:50
than if they were, like, typical Hollywood actors and things
31:52
like that. So I've learned for, like, some of these
31:54
other things, like, it's also who you cast to do it.
31:56
Speaker 3: Like, you know, if.
31:57
Speaker 1: It was, like, Navy SEALs dressed up as zombies and
31:59
I paid them up, you know, they wouldn't care.
32:02
Speaker 5: Also, it could be like a zombie army, like an army,
32:10
some army somewhere got taken over and turned into zombies.
32:17
Speaker 3: Those are the people you're fighting against.
32:18
Speaker 5: So you could put them with like plate carriers on
32:23
and you could armor them up a little bit so
32:26
they could take some hits. Have some lore behind it.
32:28
Speaker 3: Yeah. It would make sense too.
32:33
Speaker 1: Bro, I'm sold. I just got to find an abandoned city.
32:36
Speaker 3: Give them glowing eyes. That's the only way you know
32:39
they're out there.
32:39
Speaker 1: This whole podcast is going to be Joe helping me
32:41
figure out how to do zombies.
32:42
Speaker 3: Dude, it would be fucking terrifying. It would be awesome.
32:44
Imagine there's people that are in this city.
32:47
Speaker 5: There's no lights. There's no electricity. And then at nighttime,
32:51
it goes dark. And maybe they have flashlights, but each
32:55
flashlight only has like one hour of battery life. And
32:58
so you have to like judiciously use that flashlight throughout
33:01
the evening.
33:02
Speaker 3: To shine it around. Shut it off. So you give
33:04
like a little.
33:04
Speaker 5: Extra tension that the flashlight's going to die because you
33:07
only have one hour of flashlight battery.
33:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:09
Speaker 5: And then you see these red eyes. Like you give
33:12
them like a slightly glowing red eye.
33:16
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's how you can find the zombies.
33:18
Speaker 1: That would be cool.
33:19
Speaker 6: Yeah.
33:20
Speaker 3: So you just look out into the woods.
33:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:22
Speaker 3: You see the fucking eyes, man. You see the eyes.
33:24
Speaker 1: That would be crazy.
33:25
Speaker 6: Yeah.
33:26
Speaker 1: And the other thing too would be.
33:27
Speaker 4: Because I go to, like, how do we execute it?
33:29
We could do it, too, where, like, there's, like, every
33:32
day at, like, a certain period, we pull off all
33:34
the dead zombies, which are humans, and we just swap
33:36
them with, like, I could have recreated versions of them there.
33:39
Speaker 1: So there's, like, actual zombie bodies, like, piling up. Right.
33:43
Speaker 4: So as the video progresses, they're, like, literally stepping over, like,
33:45
mannequins that are set decked identically how the– the people were.
33:49
So when they die and then they're just like literally
33:51
stepping on zombies as they go building the building.
33:53
Speaker 1: That'd be crazy.
33:54
Speaker 3: That would be crazy.
33:55
Speaker 5: You know, and actually, because if I put a million
33:57
chalk outlines around the zombies, so you can identify the
34:00
fact that this one's a dead zombie.
34:03
Speaker 4: Uh, or no, don't, you know, let that be the
34:05
fun part. But then we, if we put like a
34:07
crazy prize on it, we could do, you only get
34:09
the prize or maybe the prize is split amongst everyone
34:11
who survives the whole 10 days or whatever. And then
34:14
it's like to really build up like this crescendo at
34:16
the end, we can have it where, uh, the final
34:18
day there's a massive.
34:19
Speaker 1: Invasion coming or something, so it's.
34:21
Speaker 4: Like the whole time, what if like every day more
34:24
and more came, so day one it was 10, day
34:26
two it was 20, and then 50, and then I'm like,
34:28
you know, we're gonna have 400 zombies come on the
34:30
final day, so the whole video they're prepping for this
34:32
like Game of Thrones type invasion.
34:35
Speaker 5: Not only that, but the people that get killed by
34:37
the zombie, we think they're out of the game, but
34:40
they actually become zombies.
34:42
Speaker 3: So when you think you won at the end, now
34:45
the final game is you're competing against the zombies. The
34:49
zombies who can't win because they're already dead, but they
34:52
can make you lose.
34:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they know you're four.
34:54
Speaker 4: You don't actually be even crazier if instead of– well,
34:57
maybe we have Navy SEALs as the zombies, but also–
34:59
What if the contestants are, like, ex-Navy SEALs, too?
35:02
Speaker 1: So they have, like, real strategy and.
35:03
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
35:04
Speaker 1: That would be cool.
35:05
Speaker 3: Just get the most badass people that you can get
35:08
for this zombie thing. Like, survivalists, martial artists. Exactly.
35:12
Speaker 6: Yes!
35:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be crazy. Dude! Actually, that's not bad.
35:17
Speaker 4: Like, you know, a UFC champion, a Navy SEAL, like
35:21
a taekwondo, blah, blah, blah.
35:22
Speaker 1: And it's like, all right, what.
35:23
Speaker 4: Happens if you put six experts in different fields together and,
35:27
And simulate a real zombie apocalypse.
35:29
Speaker 3: Right.
35:29
Speaker 4: You have 50 acres of this abandoned city sealed off.
35:31
We set decked it all. And every day a wave
35:34
of zombie that gets bigger and bigger until the big
35:36
crescendo at the end hits.
35:38
Speaker 3: Yeah.
35:38
Speaker 1: And if you survive it all, you split a million dollars.
35:40
Speaker 5: I think the really difficult challenge is figuring out a
35:44
way to kill zombies that's not lame.
35:45
Speaker 3: Exactly. And doesn't hurt anybody. Actually doesn't kill people.
35:49
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's your second thought process, but
35:51
of course.
35:52
Speaker 3: But it has to– because it's– If you're hitting them,
35:54
even with the gel soft, it'll look kind of cool,
35:56
but it's like pew, pew, pew.
35:57
Speaker 1: Exactly.
35:57
Speaker 3: Pew, pew, pew. No, it's got to be ba-bang, ba-bang.
36:00
Speaker 4: And I can add those sounds in post, but we're
36:02
big fans of practical. So I'd have my team take
36:04
apart the guns and see if there's some way they
36:05
can make it, even though it's shooting the gel, like
36:07
make it go bang, bang, and then add the effects.
36:10
And then we'd have to re-skin the guns to look
36:12
like real guns.
36:14
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to look like real guns because it
36:16
could be a gun from the future. Yeah, but that's lame.
36:19
Speaker 4: When you think of zombie apocalypse, it has to look
36:21
like a gun that they grabbed from some dude's tape
36:23
that they found in a house, right?
36:25
Speaker 1: That's what a zombie apocalypse is to me.
36:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
36:31
Speaker 5: So it would have to look like a real gun.
36:32
So that's why I like the shotguns with the beanbags.
36:35
And also with a shotgun, like, you're only going to
36:37
get so many shells.
36:38
Speaker 3: Like, as long as you don't have one of those big, like,
36:41
Terran tactical ones that has actually a magazine. It can hold, like,
36:44
15 rounds.
36:47
Speaker 5: I think a regular shotgun like a Benelli, how many
36:50
shells can you put in one of those?
36:52
Speaker 3: I think six. I think maybe six. Something like that
36:55
is good too. You have a limited amount of bullets
36:57
and reloading is hard. We just got to find out.
37:00
Speaker 5: Maybe if it was like 20-gauge shotgun like birdshot with
37:07
a beanbag.
37:09
Speaker 3: Maybe that wouldn't fuck people up, but it would make
37:10
a big bang and you'd be hitting them. And if
37:15
you could find a way to light up wherever they
37:18
got hit, like if you could put them in some
37:21
sort of a suit where when they get hit. There's
37:25
like gel packs.
37:26
Speaker 6: There's no way you can shoot shotguns at people.
37:28
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:28
Speaker 1: There's just not possible.
37:29
Speaker 3: Not a real one. You're so wrong.
37:31
Speaker 1: But here, he's living in his utopia. I haven't seen
37:34
his eyes light up like this in years.
37:36
Speaker 3: Let him have fun. No, no, no, no, no. This
37:38
stuff isn't like a gun at a person.
37:39
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I don't know a lot about shotguns, so
37:42
let's find out.
37:43
Speaker 1: I'm never going to have someone point a real shotgun
37:45
at someone else, but yeah.
37:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, you will. Trust me. We're gonna work this out.
37:49
Speaker 1: Oh, you wanna help co-direct it?
37:50
Speaker 3: I'm gonna help. Yeah, you'll see.
37:52
Speaker 1: You'll actually see in, like, the background one-shot Joe.
37:54
Speaker 3: Just be like this. He's like, yeah!
37:57
Speaker 1: It's like the Navy SEALs are fighting off a zombie apocalypse.
37:59
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be one zombie one night. I'll sneak in.
38:02
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, who's that bald guy over there? That's just like, oh,
38:05
fuck yeah!
38:05
Speaker 6: Shotgun damage on a zombie, you have to blow their
38:07
head off, right?
38:08
Speaker 3: How would you? Oh, God. Don't even get him started.
38:10
Speaker 1: He's going to be talking about hit damage for 20 minutes.
38:13
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on what kind of zombie.
38:14
Speaker 5: Like walking dead zombies are so stupid, you get stabbed
38:16
in the head with a pencil and they die. Remember,
38:18
it was just going through the head. Because they would
38:20
shoot them with those crossbows. And like crossbow wouldn't even
38:23
kill a person. Like with those field tips, they're using
38:28
field tips. This is basically like a pencil going through you.
38:31
Speaker 3: It's not like a broadhead.
38:32
Speaker 5: Like if you shot an animal with a crossbow, you
38:35
would use a broadhead, which is a big, sharp blade
38:38
that cuts a giant channel through an animal.
38:41
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
38:41
Speaker 5: What those things are using is target points. Like that
38:44
dude in The Walking Dead would drive me nuts.
38:46
Speaker 6: Yeah.
38:47
Speaker 3: Because he would shoot them in the head. It would
38:48
just stick in their head, and then they'd be dead.
38:50
It's so funny because I watch.
38:52
Speaker 1: The same thing, and I'm like, oh, that's cool.
38:54
Speaker 3: Different audience. Well, it's just all it takes is like
38:58
one arrow to go into your head, and you're dead
39:00
if you're a zombie. Yeah, totally. One arrow. This is nonsense. Yeah, right, guys?
39:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, one arrow in the head, you'd be, yeah, you
39:06
wouldn't die.
39:06
Speaker 5: The thing is people have lived, humans have lived through
39:10
arrows through the head like that. Accidentally gotten shot in
39:12
the head with a bow and arrow, with a field tip,
39:16
and lived. Because it basically just– it's like a pencil
39:18
going through your head.
39:19
Speaker 3: Really?
39:20
Speaker 5: The way people die from an arrow is hemorrhage. You
39:23
die from massive hemorrhage. And it's usually because there's a blade.
39:26
So like this. Like this is what the Native Americans.
39:29
Speaker 3: Used to use.
39:30
Speaker 1: But that's why.
39:31
Speaker 3: This is actually– yes. That's an actual arrowhead. But the
39:34
thing about this is when it's attached to a stick,
39:37
this is cutting. So it's causing hemorrhage inside the body.
39:41
The little field tip doesn't do that.
39:42
Speaker 1: And the field tip wouldn't puncture enough veins where you
39:44
just bleed to death?
39:45
Speaker 3: Maybe, but most likely not. I mean, if it went
39:48
through your heart, yeah, you'd be dead. But if it
39:50
just goes through, like, this side of your lungs and
39:52
pokes out your back, you'll live.
39:53
Speaker 1: Wow.
39:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:54
Speaker 1: Would you want to live?
39:55
Speaker 3: You would be in pain. It would suck. Yeah.
39:58
Speaker 5: It would certainly suck, but it's not like getting hit
40:00
with a broadhead. My point is— I don't remember my point.
40:03
Speaker 3: But if I had a point, it would be there's
40:06
got to be a level of shotgun that's the– what
40:09
is the lowest powered shotgun available?
40:12
Speaker 5: It's not a– I know 20 gauge is light. I've
40:16
used those before for, like, shooting clay pigeons, and I've
40:20
used 12 gauges.
40:23
Speaker 3: You don't want to get hit with a 12 gauge,
40:25
even if it's a beanbag.
40:26
Speaker 5: 410 bore?
40:30
Speaker 1: Smallest gauge?
40:34
Speaker 3: Oh, here we go. Now we're talking. That's a bitch
40:37
ass round. Oh God. Let's see what that looks like.
40:42
Shoot a, let's, let's see what a four 10 gauge
40:46
shotgun or 67 gauge shotgun looks like when they.
40:49
Speaker 6: Shoot a bullshit gun. It looks like it's going to
40:51
still hurt.
40:51
Speaker 3: No, no, no. You'll be fine. Okay.
40:54
Speaker 1: Can I test it on you?
40:55
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Just give me a plate carrier. And if
40:59
you're going to use a bean bag.
41:00
Speaker 6: Yeah.
41:00
Speaker 3: Because that's what I'm thinking.
41:01
Speaker 5: Like, if you have a chest plate, you know, so
41:04
a plate carrier is bulletproof. Yeah, but what are you
41:07
going to hit? Everything you'll cover up. You'll cover up
41:10
the shoulders and the arms. You give them, like, military-style armor,
41:13
like body armor. Because none of this is going to penetrate.
41:17
So if it's a beanbag round, what it is is just, like,
41:21
it's basically a bag that's going to, like, shoot out
41:25
of the shotgun and blast you. But I don't– they're
41:28
not lethal, right? Let me see what it looks like.
41:33
Speaker 3: Just go to a video just go to a video
41:36
of lowest powered shotgun That's weird. That's cool.
41:40
Speaker 6: That one looks That's a revolver shot.
41:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's dope. I've never seen one of those before
41:45
power it says Interesting yeah, that's deadliest.
41:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's smallest in terms of like the
41:53
size of it Not not the round itself Yeah.
41:56
Speaker 6: This isn't good.
41:57
Speaker 7: I did ask for lowest powered, but that's not what
42:00
people want to click on videos for.
42:01
Speaker 3: I know, psychos.
42:02
Speaker 1: I feel like most people who buy shotguns are looking
42:04
for shotguns that don't.
42:05
Speaker 3: Well, how about this?
42:06
Speaker 5: Look up 67 gauge shotgun.
42:08
Speaker 1: Oh, I've done that here.
42:09
Speaker 5: And does it show you a video of that? Okay,
42:12
let's see what it says. Let me see what it
42:14
looks like when it's shooting.
42:18
Speaker 6: It says it's 12 gauge.
42:19
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a big.
42:20
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to.
42:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
42:22
Speaker 6: They're like modified 12 gauges.
42:25
Speaker 3: That's a lot.
42:26
Speaker 1: I just don't like the point.
42:28
Speaker 6: The shotgun isn't going to kill a zombie.
42:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it could in this game, Jamie.
42:32
Speaker 6: I know, but you have to get so close to
42:34
get a fucking headshot or whatever. It's more fun to
42:37
get snipers and grenades.
42:39
Speaker 5: I don't know if you have to use headshots. This
42:43
little kid's going to shoot a shotgun?
42:45
Speaker 3: Yes. Okay, let me see. Can you give me some volume?
42:49
Let me hear this. Put back that up a little bit. Yeah,
42:54
that's what we need. We need that kind of shotgun
42:57
with like a beanbag round or a rock salt.
43:00
Speaker 6: I got it.
43:00
Speaker 1: The team, they're listening. They're on it.
43:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.
43:03
Speaker 5: Something where it makes an impact. There's a sound like
43:08
a gun going off, but you can't really kill anybody
43:10
with it.
43:11
Speaker 3: Yeah. This is totally possible, dude.
43:13
Speaker 5: You'd have to have like very strict safety protocols in
43:17
the set, though, because one of the things. When I
43:18
was in– when I first moved to LA in like 1994,
43:23
there was a guy that a friend of mine actually
43:25
knew who was an actor who was on a set
43:28
who took a gun that had a blank in it
43:31
and thought it would be funny to just put the
43:32
thing to his head and pull the trigger. And he
43:35
didn't realize that just the actual air coming out of
43:39
the gun, if you put it right to your head,
43:40
is lethal.
43:41
Speaker 3: And he blew his brains out.
43:43
Speaker 6: Oh, my gosh.
43:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, with a blank. He just didn't.
43:45
Speaker 1: I mean, or like the Alec Baldwin situation.
43:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was actually probably negligence because it seems like,
43:53
it seems like there was an error where they were
43:55
using like real rounds and then they would take the
43:59
same guns that would use like real rounds on a
44:01
range and then take the same guns and bring them
44:03
to set and they didn't clear everything. So I don't
44:07
know who's responsible for that. I don't know what ultimately
44:10
came out of that, but. You're never supposed to point
44:13
a gun even if it's not loaded. You're never supposed
44:15
to point a gun at someone ever. In movies now,
44:18
like if you were.
44:19
Speaker 1: Which is why I'm like so hesitant to this whole
44:21
shotgun thing. Welcome back to reality, Joe.
44:24
Speaker 3: We're going to be fine.
44:25
Speaker 5: In movies, you're supposed to– like if I was shooting
44:27
at you in a movie, I'm really supposed to shoot
44:29
over here. And I think that came out of the
44:31
movie The Crow because Bruce Lee's son died because there
44:37
was something that was in the gun itself. It wasn't
44:40
even a bullet that killed him. It was like there
44:42
was a particle or something that hit him from the blank.
44:46
Speaker 4: When there's effects and CG and everything is so good now, too,
44:49
you probably don't even have to put a blank in there.
44:51
You just overlay the sound effect. I mean, put the
44:53
effect in, no one would even be able to tell
44:55
sometimes too.
44:56
Speaker 5: That's true, but you want something that's scary for the
44:59
actual people.
45:00
Speaker 1: And the recoil and stuff.
45:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
45:02
Speaker 1: So it's more real.
45:03
Speaker 3: Like a really light shotgun.
45:05
Speaker 4: And I guess even if you know it's a blank,
45:07
like having a gun pointed at you as an actor
45:09
makes you feel more in this situation too probably.
45:12
Speaker 3: Well, just rock salt.
45:13
Speaker 5: If you have a really light shotgun, even if it's
45:15
a 20 gauge with rock salt, it would suck.
45:19
Speaker 3: It would sting. But if you've got these guys all protected.
45:23
Speaker 5: And you could find a way where when it hits them,
45:27
like you have gel packs on them or something. So
45:29
if you have them all, they're in like these like
45:33
tattered looking white outfits.
45:35
Speaker 3: Right.
45:36
Speaker 5: And when you hit them, there's red gel packs underneath
45:39
and they splatter.
45:40
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you could, you know, if you get a
45:43
direct hit.
45:43
Speaker 4: We did something similar when we recreated Squid Games. We
45:45
put like squibs on them when they got eliminated and
45:47
grew up. And so, yeah, you'd put like little squibs
45:49
and then. When the sensors went off, it would just–
45:52
and the liquid would go across her body.
45:54
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you could do that. So if you do that, actually,
45:59
you could have blanks. And maybe a laser sight. Exactly.
46:04
Speaker 4: That's where we went with the Hunger Games stuff is
46:06
laser tag. And then it would just trigger squibs if
46:09
you pointed at them. And then maybe in post, we'd
46:11
have a track where the trajectory of where the bullets were.
46:14
And we could just overlay the lasers or whatever in
46:17
post so you could visually see it. But obviously in
46:20
the time that you were actually filming, practically it would
46:22
just be invisible. You'd just know if you got hit,
46:25
if your suit lit up.
46:26
Speaker 5: And it seems like you could... sync up a laser
46:30
tag with an actual blank round. So you can make
46:35
the boom and then the laser actually hits the person
46:40
at the same time.
46:41
Speaker 3: Okay. Right? Yeah. That wouldn't be hard to do because
46:44
if you have lasers, you have guns that shoot lasers.
46:47
That's what laser tag is. That's a pretty simple mechanism.
46:50
Speaker 5: All you would do is have like sort of a
46:52
dual trigger setup where you have, as you pull the
46:55
trigger back, you get the explosion. From the round going off,
46:59
and you also get the laser at the same time.
47:02
And so the squibs go off. You say the boom,
47:04
and then the squibs go off, and you have it
47:06
all coordinated together. And then it looks wild. And so
47:09
then you have these zombies.
47:12
Speaker 3: Boom! You shoot them. You see splatter all over their chest.
47:14
Speaker 4: The only other thing we have to figure out is
47:16
where is this going? Because if it's going on my
47:18
YouTube channel, we don't usually show gore and blood. So
47:22
we might have to hit up wherever you use to
47:25
put Fear Factor and stuff because that definitely seems like
47:27
a more– it's going from like we're usually family-friendly to
47:30
now this is very rated R.
47:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not family-friendly because you're killing zombies.
47:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:37
Speaker 4: You know if something is family-friendly or not if you
47:39
say eliminated instead of killing.
47:41
Speaker 3: Yes.
47:42
Speaker 4: If you're eliminating zombies, that's family-friendly. If you're killing zombies,
47:45
that's rated R.
47:47
Speaker 3: Well, they're already dead, so you're eliminating them. There you go. See,
47:50
now we're back. See, they're already dead.
47:52
Speaker 4: And, like, you can tell if, like, a show's, like,
47:54
for 18-plus or, like, 13-plus if, like, before they shoot
47:58
the person or whatever, if it cuts away, right?
48:00
Speaker 1: And, like, there's all these little things. Dude, this could
48:02
be wild.
48:04
Speaker 4: I mean, if some streaming platform was like, yo, here's whatever, whatever,
48:08
a blank check, just make it happen.
48:10
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Amazon should do it. They need people
48:12
over there anyway.
48:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
48:13
Speaker 4: Or I mean, really even Netflix, anyone, right? Like it's,
48:15
it's the biggest no brainer in the history of ever.
48:17
Like the, actually the fact that no one's recreated, this
48:19
is kind of absurd when you think about it, but
48:21
it's also like if traditional, you know, independent of like
48:24
the shock and stuff you're talking about, like a traditional
48:26
people with traditional world views did this, it'd be so
48:28
stringent and structured and stuff like that. Whereas like, If
48:32
we did it with the Beast Games mindset where it's
48:34
just like, there's cameras everywhere, they can truly do whatever
48:37
the hell they want, and it's not this guarded thing,
48:40
and it's an actual abandoned city. Oh my gosh, it
48:43
would go crazy.
48:44
Speaker 3: Now we need a task. We need a goal. The
48:47
goal would be survival.
48:49
Speaker 5: Right, but maybe survival while you're trying to accomplish something.
48:53
Speaker 1: Okay.
48:54
Speaker 4: Well, then this is like a mechanism that usually would
48:56
work well, is the tasks every day will grow the
48:59
prize pool. And if it's on a streaming platform... then
49:01
the prize pool could be crazy, right? It doesn't have
49:03
to be a million dollars. It could grow to 10 million, theoretically,
49:06
if they weren't being cheap. And so then it could
49:08
be like, every day, if you complete the task, I
49:10
put a million dollars in the prize pool. Each episode's
49:12
one whole day. It's 10 episodes, 10 days. And so
49:15
they could technically grow the prize pool to $ 10 million.
49:17
You put some like, you know.
49:18
Speaker 1: The UFC people and.
49:20
Speaker 4: like Navy SEALs and like these hardcore people and you
49:22
tell them like they could potentially share $ 10 million, bro,
49:25
they would be trying their butts off those 10 days.
49:27
Speaker 3: The footage would be crazy.
49:28
Speaker 4: I mean, they would probably be like practicing during the day,
49:30
like their rotations and everything on like holding off zombies.
49:33
Speaker 1: It would, That would be really cool.
49:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would run training routes.
49:37
Speaker 1: Exactly.
49:37
Speaker 5: You know, it's really interesting. We'd have to figure out
49:39
how the zombies get them. Because you don't want physical
49:43
conflict between the stunt people, the zombie people, and the contestants.
49:47
Speaker 3: You don't want to actually fight. Exactly. Right? So, like,
49:49
you would have to have rules as to what.
49:53
Speaker 4: It would probably be, in my default intuition, is if
49:55
the zombie just purely touches you, then you're just dead. Like,
49:58
we wouldn't be able to take it any further than that.
50:00
Speaker 1: You know but if they.
50:01
Speaker 5: Like right like 28 days later zombies all they have
50:03
to do is like scratch you yeah.
50:05
Speaker 4: Or breathe in front of you yeah exactly but in
50:07
this case if they touch you that way it's not
50:09
like the navy seal like pushing and flipping them off
50:11
like because if you went to push them or touch
50:13
them then you'd be out so people be keeping their
50:15
distance but even then It'd get pretty crazy if they
50:17
were like, because obviously they would run and there'd be
50:20
chase scenes and stuff. Honestly, I know some great stunt
50:24
choreographers like Ken and a bunch of other people.
50:25
Speaker 1: I would just call them and be like, yo, how
50:27
do I do this? And they'd probably be like, oh,
50:29
here's how I.
50:29
Speaker 3: Would do it or whatever. Dude, this could be mad. Yeah.
50:33
This could be a mad show.
50:34
Speaker 4: To set the stage, it's like abandoned city, dozens of acres,
50:38
sealed off. I could literally build a wall around it
50:41
so the seals and whoever the contestants know, this is
50:44
the edge. They're walled in. And then, yeah, they're walking around.
50:47
And then we have some of the best set designers
50:50
in the world come in. And basically we'd pick a
50:53
time in the future. We'd say, this is 50 years
50:54
in the future. And they would match exactly what all
50:57
these buildings would look like 50 years from now. They'd
50:59
put vines on this. If there's a gas station, they'd
51:01
go through. And this is what would happen to Doritos
51:03
50 years from now. They'd literally mirror it identically across
51:07
100 buildings. And then we'd have a helicopter fly in,
51:10
drop them off. And then it's like every day we
51:13
could have an eagle fly over and drop their task
51:15
of the day. And in the middle of the city
51:17
is a million. Oh, that's what we could do. The
51:18
prize pool in the middle, if the zombies touch it
51:20
as well, then they lose the money. So they're not
51:22
only defending themselves but also the prize pool. So in
51:24
the middle of the city. So that's why they have
51:25
to build a fort around it. And then every day,
51:27
if they complete their crazy task, right, which is distracting
51:30
them from building their fort, then a helicopter will drop
51:33
another million dollars on their prize pool. So then it's like,
51:37
so episode one, they complete the task before the zombies
51:39
come at night. And then it's like, I come in
51:41
on a helicopter. We have a rope lower.
51:43
Speaker 1: Down a million dollars. It's massive in ones.
51:46
Speaker 6: Right.
51:46
Speaker 1: And then it. On hooks, and now they have $ 2
51:48
million there. Like, good luck, guys.
51:50
Speaker 4: And if there's six of them, then it's like you're now,
51:52
if you survive, are all winning over $ 300, 000. And then,
51:56
you know, but if you grow the prize pool to
51:58
$ 6 million without getting eliminated, you're all millionaires in nine days.
52:01
Speaker 1: Bro, that would be crazy.
52:03
Speaker 4: And then, yeah, the zombies come in. We figure out
52:05
the practical guns with the right sound effects.
52:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, practical guns, right sound effects, and what entails you
52:12
getting killed by a zombie.
52:13
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, how do they work?
52:14
Speaker 4: And the other thing, too, to make it fun is
52:16
if a zombie eliminates one of you, they get one-sixth
52:19
of the prize pool or whatever. So then now the
52:20
zombies are incentivized, right, to try to— So then it's
52:23
like if a zombie touches the Navy SEAL, whatever the
52:26
way is, it's like, congrats, now you're a millionaire if
52:28
it's later on. So then— Like, as it goes on,
52:30
things are going to get really tense on both sides, and.
52:32
Speaker 1: It'll be really cool.
52:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude.
52:36
Speaker 4: Because that's how you take it where people don't want
52:37
to be zombies to now they're, like, excited to be zombies.
52:40
Speaker 1: They're like, ooh. I actually sneak up behind them, and
52:43
I get a million bucks.
52:43
Speaker 3: People are going to want to be zombies anyway.
52:45
Speaker 1: True, because it's going to look sick.
52:46
Speaker 3: It's going to be sick. Honestly.
52:48
Speaker 4: I would want to be a zombie. Just, like, imagine
52:50
walking in a horde and role-playing being a zombie. That'd
52:52
actually be a pretty cool afternoon.
52:53
Speaker 3: Dude, it'd be so sick.
52:54
Speaker 5: It's total pitch black. There's no power, no electricity. You
52:57
just see red eyes in the woods.
52:59
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
53:00
Speaker 5: While these dudes are sneaking in. And you'd have to
53:02
have some sort of rules, like how the zombies can move,
53:05
whether they can run, whether they can, you know what
53:07
I mean?
53:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
53:08
Speaker 5: Because, like, we have to decide, are these 28 Days
53:10
Later zombies that run at you?
53:12
Speaker 6: Ah!
53:13
Speaker 3: Or these like walking dead zombies that are like kind
53:15
of like.
53:16
Speaker 4: We'd probably start off that way, but they evolve with time.
53:18
And I'm a big fan of like usually when you
53:21
have like people who are playing certain roles, they usually
53:24
end up going rogue. It's really hard to get hundreds
53:26
of people to do like certain things like, you know,
53:29
in an unscripted sandbox environment. So we would have to
53:31
constrict them in a way where like if we didn't
53:33
want them to move past a certain speed. We'd probably
53:35
have to figure out some way to put like a
53:37
chain around their feet or something that physically wouldn't allow
53:39
them to do it. Or like if you have 300
53:41
zombies going, right, you can't redo it, right? Like if
53:44
one of those zombies goes rogue and scratch, it's like
53:47
I can't reshoot the shell, right? That's what's so high
53:49
stakes about the things we do in a super world.
53:51
So we'd have to physically make it where they couldn't
53:54
do things they're not supposed to do in a perfect world.
53:57
Or if you have 300 people, 2% go rogue. That's
53:59
still six zombies going rogue, which is brutal.
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55:04
it is brutal, but I think with proper planning, if
55:08
you really sit down and plan out what the zombie's
55:13
task is, what it means, and what these people are doing...
55:18
And what goals are they trying to achieve while they're
55:21
there and while they're defending against zombies? You got to
55:23
give them stuff to do during the day so that
55:27
they're fully occupied so they can't sleep.
55:29
Speaker 1: Okay.
55:30
Speaker 3: It's really important. Like the more they do during the day,
55:34
it optimizes the amount of money they can win. Like
55:37
as they complete tasks, if they stay alive, they have
55:40
a higher threshold. Whereas if someone just fucking sleeps all day. Yeah.
55:44
And doesn't get anything done. Even if they survive, they
55:46
can't make any money. Yeah.
55:48
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.
55:49
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
55:49
Speaker 1: And that works that these are, you know, hardcore, like, people.
55:52
So it's good. Like, if I had normal contestants, they'd
55:55
be like, oh, this is horrible.
55:56
Speaker 5: You want that, though. You want people to bitch out.
55:59
You want a few people to quit because there's always
56:01
going to be people.
56:02
Speaker 3: That won't quit.
56:02
Speaker 1: Me and you are held to different standards. If I
56:04
did that, there would be.
56:05
Speaker 4: Maybe 10 trillion articles written about how I'm the most
56:08
evil man on the planet.
56:09
Speaker 1: Why? If I made it too hard where people couldn't.
56:12
Speaker 3: Sleep or whatever. No, listen, you can't read those articles.
56:14
Fuck those people. You just got to make an awesome show.
56:17
Speaker 5: The awesome show is you keep these motherfuckers awake.
56:20
Speaker 3: And you make it so that they can choose to
56:22
sleep if they want. But there are tasks to achieve.
56:26
And if you can complete these tasks, you have the
56:29
potential to make a lot of money. But if you
56:30
don't complete the tasks, you can't make any money even
56:34
if you survive.
56:34
Speaker 1: Bro, I'm sold. Amazon, Netflix, whoever wants it, let us know. Right?
56:38
Speaker 3: You got to keep these motherfuckers awake so that nighttime
56:41
is terrifying. Can you imagine seeing people sitting there with
56:44
their shotguns? Just nodding out and opening their eyes and
56:48
looking out and seeing red eyes in the woods like, fuck!
56:51
Speaker 4: We get a tight shot of their faces as they're asleep.
56:53
And then one of the other guys goes, zombies!
56:55
Speaker 1: And you hear bang, bang. And then they wake up
56:57
and they grab their gun.
56:57
Speaker 3: That's a problem of people randomly shooting wild while there's.
57:01
Speaker 5: Other people around them. So it kind of would have
57:04
to be blanks and lasers. Because now that I'm thinking
57:07
about it, like people are going to spaz out and
57:09
accidentally shoot someone in the face.
57:10
Speaker 3: This is where– Especially if they're tired.
57:12
Speaker 4: I've done– I mean obviously you did unscripted with Free Friday.
57:15
But I've done lots of unscripted stuff with lots of people.
57:17
Speaker 3: And exactly.
57:18
Speaker 4: When you're talking about the shotgun stuff, I'm like, you know,
57:20
there's just no shot in hell that we'd ever be
57:23
able to– It would have to be like– but I
57:24
love the gel rounds. And we could do it in
57:26
a way where we set the guns where it looks
57:27
really cool. And we could recreate the sound effect. But
57:30
then gel rounds, like those– it's essentially like the Nerf ones.
57:32
Now I'm remembering them. Like they're like water that explodes
57:35
on impact. Those would be perfect, honestly.
57:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you want blanks because you want the bang.
57:40
You want the bang for the people, for the psychological effect,
57:43
the fear. It's in the middle of the night.
57:45
Speaker 3: It's dark.
57:46
Speaker 5: You're making a bang go off, the flash of the
57:48
bang going off. And then maybe to avoid people being
57:53
able to shoot each other, maybe at nighttime they're completely separated.
57:58
Speaker 3: Maybe at nighttime.
57:59
Speaker 1: No, you want them together.
58:00
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, like if they built a fort around
58:02
the money, what you want in the shots is you
58:04
always want to– people to be able to tell what
58:07
they're competing for and like their why. And you usually,
58:09
but you don't want to have to say it, right?
58:11
You don't want to have to say, oh, I'm competing
58:12
for this money. But if you have the money in
58:13
the back of the shot, intuitively viewers will be like,
58:15
that's what they're competing for. So like a fort built
58:17
around it where they have walls and they're standing on
58:19
it and you see the money behind them in the shots,
58:21
like intuitively to a viewer, you're going to instantly understand
58:23
the motivation and it's going to be like, I mean,
58:26
it would just be so crazy, the shots.
58:28
Speaker 5: Maybe it's like a super advanced game of hide and
58:31
seek at night. Where the people can't talk. They have
58:36
to be very quiet because the zombies have like hyper hearing.
58:41
You give the zombies like walker game ears.
58:43
Speaker 3: You know what those things are? No. It's like– do
58:45
you ever go to a gun range? Yeah. Because you
58:48
have those headphones. Oh, and they amplify.
58:50
Speaker 5: You can hear everything else way louder. But when guns
58:53
go off, it kills volume above a certain amount of decibels.
58:57
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they can hear everything. So if you hear someone.
59:01
Speaker 5: The zombies will be able to key in on it.
59:04
They'll know where the people are. And these people have
59:08
to hide from the zombies.
59:10
Speaker 3: At night. True.
59:11
Speaker 4: Because I guess the other thing is if they built
59:14
a fort around it, how would the zombies even get
59:15
to them?
59:16
Speaker 3: Right. So instead of that, you have people that are
59:19
trying to hide. So you've got these zombies slowly creeping
59:23
through these abandoned buildings looking for people.
59:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'd have to get it to them where the
59:27
seals and stuff couldn't lock doors or anything, right?
59:30
Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
59:31
Speaker 3: No locks.
59:31
Speaker 5: No doors have locks. That's what makes the hide-and-go-seek so good.
59:35
All the handles or all the doors are removed. There's
59:37
no locks.
59:38
Speaker 4: So every night maybe– we would brainstorm it more, but
59:42
theoretically they all have to hide in a different building
59:44
or something.
59:44
Speaker 1: They couldn't be in the same building.
59:45
Speaker 3: And then the.
59:46
Speaker 1: Zombies scatter across the city.
59:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
59:48
Speaker 4: And then wherever you are in the building, people have
59:50
to be able to get to you.
59:51
Speaker 1: The zombies have to be able to get to you unrestricted, right?
59:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
59:54
Speaker 4: And so maybe before we release the zombies, we'd have
59:56
a producer just go in and.
59:58
Speaker 3: Walk a path.
59:58
Speaker 1: Like, all right, there's a factual path where you could
1:00:00
die to a zombie. This is good. And then we'd
1:00:03
let them loose. That makes sense. No cheating.
1:00:05
Speaker 3: There's something. This would be wild.
1:00:07
Speaker 1: Honestly, this is one of those things where.
1:00:10
Speaker 4: I say this to my team quite a bit. It's
1:00:11
either going to be like the worst show imaginable that
1:00:14
people clown on, or it's going to be like the
1:00:15
number one show ever.
1:00:17
Speaker 1: And there's no in between.
1:00:18
Speaker 4: Like you don't do this like kind of all right,
1:00:19
where people are like, I like it. It's either like cringe.
1:00:22
Speaker 1: We failed. This sucks.
1:00:23
Speaker 4: Or it's like, this is the greatest thing ever. Why
1:00:26
did this not exist before? Like the walking dead or
1:00:28
what's the HBO show called?
1:00:29
Speaker 3: Uh, The one with the last of us. Yeah.
1:00:31
Speaker 1: The last of us in real life. Like how has
1:00:33
no one done this? You know what I mean?
1:00:34
Speaker 4: Like, like actual true simulation. And like, if we execute
1:00:37
it properly, I really could see it be like a
1:00:39
number one show in the world type thing that people
1:00:41
would like. Cause also you have to think like the
1:00:43
world is ran by clips these days. I don't, you know,
1:00:45
on like Tik TOK feeds, Instagram reels and YouTube shorts.
1:00:48
And like, it is arguably the most clippable thing ever.
1:00:50
Like any 10 second scene of that, you could just
1:00:53
throw on YouTube shorts and go viral. Cause it's freaking
1:00:55
zombies getting shot at.
1:00:56
Speaker 3: And you know how cool they can make those masks look. Yeah.
1:00:59
I mean, you get a real special effects guy to
1:01:02
work on those masks?
1:01:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:01:03
Speaker 3: Like, one of those experts from the movies?
1:01:05
Speaker 1: Can you search up Mr. Beast Zombies?
1:01:07
Speaker 4: We have a video on our channel from, like, I mean,
1:01:08
God knows how long ago, seven years ago, where we did, like, make, like,
1:01:12
a mini zombie horde, but not, like, in a simulation
1:01:14
like this, just for fun, to see how people in.
1:01:16
Speaker 1: Public are going to react. And, like, it looks disgusting,
1:01:19
the things they were able to do. It's pretty crazy.
1:01:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, modern special effects and makeup artists, they could do
1:01:24
amazing stuff, man.
1:01:27
Speaker 1: If you can find, like, a close-up of my face or... Like,
1:01:30
it was, like, crazy.
1:01:31
Speaker 3: We just brought in people for... Is this where they
1:01:33
come in?
1:01:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, that kind of stuff. Like, look at my
1:01:35
face right there.
1:01:36
Speaker 3: Like, pause it.
1:01:37
Speaker 1: It's freaking wild.
1:01:39
Speaker 5: Dude, you could totally do something like that on the
1:01:42
outside of one of those masks.
1:01:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: 100%.
1:01:44
Speaker 6: Exactly.
1:01:44
Speaker 3: 100%. Yeah, that was really all bad. That's the look.
1:01:50
What yours looks like with the teeth and everything and
1:01:53
fucked up flesh, that is the mask.
1:01:55
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:01:55
Speaker 3: So you take that hard Airsoft mask and you put
1:01:58
that shit on it.
1:01:59
Speaker 4: Joe, the problem is I want to go work on
1:02:00
this now.
1:02:04
Speaker 1: It's funny. I have this thing where.
1:02:06
Speaker 4: Um, this might sound like crazy to some people, but
1:02:08
when I, you can, you know, when you feel your
1:02:10
heart rate get elevated, when I talk about an idea
1:02:12
and I can feel my heart rate get elevated, I'm
1:02:13
usually like, that's a good indicator that it's like a
1:02:15
good idea.
1:02:16
Speaker 3: Cause it means I'm getting like, dude, this is a
1:02:17
good idea.
1:02:18
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.
1:02:18
Speaker 4: I can literally feel or not anymore, but like a
1:02:20
couple of minutes ago, I could feel my heart beating
1:02:22
cause I was getting excited. And that's like, that usually
1:02:25
almost always correlates with people because if I'm getting excited
1:02:28
talking about it, you have to think like a lot
1:02:30
of things right now are because of TikTok and Reels
1:02:33
and stuff, they go viral because of word of mouth.
1:02:35
And so like, if just talking about the idea gets
1:02:37
someone excited, then that usually means like a lot of
1:02:40
people are just gonna talk about it. And if a
1:02:42
lot of people are talking about it, obviously a lot
1:02:43
of people watch it. And so that's why I call
1:02:45
it kind of like the heart rate effect. That's like
1:02:47
my number one signal that like people are going to
1:02:49
talk about this and freaking love it.
1:02:50
Speaker 5: I can see it. I can see scenes. I can
1:02:54
see darkness starting to settle in on the town. And
1:02:57
I can see the people like trying to figure out
1:02:59
where to hide and what to do.
1:03:00
Speaker 3: And the eyes at night.
1:03:01
Speaker 1: That was genius, dude.
1:03:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, dude.
1:03:03
Speaker 3: I can see the eyes.
1:03:04
Speaker 4: And it's interesting because it's like combining the Venn diagram
1:03:06
of us, right? You're kind of representative of the very
1:03:09
like– I don't know. You're– like just ability to really
1:03:14
think deeply of like what makes it fucking cool. And
1:03:17
you're really hyper fixating on what makes the zombies cool
1:03:20
and like the realistic nature of it. And I'm hyper
1:03:22
fixating on just kind of the overall set design and things.
1:03:25
There's like a Venn diagram in the middle where we
1:03:27
combine like the two like obsessions and it really like
1:03:30
merges together and makes something beautiful.
1:03:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
1:03:32
Speaker 5: And you could also have like, Not just zombies. You
1:03:36
could have, like, some other things that are out there, too,
1:03:39
that can get people.
1:03:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamie, can we get 10 days on his schedule?
1:03:42
Can he do one of the— Actually, no, because you
1:03:46
don't need the money. But it would be cool if
1:03:47
you were competing in it because then that would be insane.
1:03:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too much time. Exactly. I know.
1:03:53
Speaker 1: Just cancel some podcasts.
1:03:55
Speaker 3: I like the idea of it, though.
1:03:56
Speaker 1: How about we– or never mind.
1:03:58
Speaker 4: You pick them up in the car to take them
1:03:59
to a podcast and they're like, oh, whoops. We're in
1:04:02
an abandoned city. Oh, here's your shotgun you talked about
1:04:04
a year ago, Joe.
1:04:05
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:04:06
Speaker 1: Anyway, zombies are coming tonight.
1:04:07
Speaker 3: What?
1:04:08
Speaker 1: He's going to leave and not shoot zombies? Come on.
1:04:10
Speaker 3: Have you ever done sandbox VR?
1:04:14
Speaker 4: Is that the one where it's like you just go
1:04:16
in and there's random worlds and you can walk around
1:04:18
on them?
1:04:19
Speaker 3: It's a warehouse.
1:04:19
Speaker 5: You go in there and they have fans and stuff.
1:04:22
So it simulates the wind. And you go in there
1:04:25
and you put on a headset and you put on
1:04:27
a haptic feedback vest.
1:04:28
Speaker 3: And one of them is called Deadwood Mansion. That's my
1:04:31
favorite one. And you go in there and you shoot zombies.
1:04:34
You're in a mansion.
1:04:35
Speaker 5: You're in this abandoned mansion and rats come out and zombies.
1:04:39
Speaker 3: And there's guys in the ceiling. It's fucking awesome. You
1:04:41
would love it. But you might get some ideas if
1:04:44
you do that. You mean we?
1:04:45
Speaker 1: We're co-producing this now.
1:04:47
Speaker 3: You're too invested.
1:04:48
Speaker 4: You just spent 34 minutes on a whatever podcast ripping
1:04:52
on it.
1:04:52
Speaker 5: Well, there's something to it, man. I just I see
1:04:55
it in my head. I'm like, that would be an
1:04:57
amazing show.
1:04:57
Speaker 3: I just see these people like in the like in
1:05:01
a parking structure, like setting up, getting ready and the
1:05:05
sun's coming down.
1:05:06
Speaker 5: And they're like, look, we got it. We have about
1:05:08
20 minutes of daylight left. And you realize, like, God,
1:05:11
I'm so fucking tired.
1:05:12
Speaker 3: I haven't slept.
1:05:13
Speaker 4: They're like, there's still $ 200, 000 left we could earn today.
1:05:16
But we need to start prepping this. And one guy's
1:05:18
just greedy as hell. And another guy's like, we're going
1:05:20
to lose if you do that. And they're, like, infighting
1:05:23
and stuff as we're getting, like, dramatic, like, you know,
1:05:25
B-roll of it from, like, wide shot. Because everything, too,
1:05:28
could be shot really far away. So, like, it's like
1:05:31
lenses are punching in. And so it's not like there's
1:05:33
a camera crew on them.
1:05:34
Speaker 3: And you could have each day when it's tasks, right?
1:05:37
Speaker 5: So you have to accomplish something. And the more you accomplish,
1:05:39
the more money you could potentially make. Each day is
1:05:42
an escape room. So every day there's new puzzles to solve.
1:05:47
And then you're getting fucking tired because.
1:05:49
Speaker 3: You're not sleeping.
1:05:50
Speaker 4: Actually, the escape room is a good through way to
1:05:52
do the task. It's not like some goofy stuff like
1:05:54
move this rock from one side to the other. But
1:05:56
like an actual escape room. And maybe the million dollars
1:05:58
they win each day is inside like– So it could
1:06:01
be like I drop a volt every day in the middle,
1:06:03
and then you have to do a series of things
1:06:05
to figure out the combination that are hard.
1:06:07
Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
1:06:07
Speaker 1: And then when you solve it, then it goes on
1:06:10
the money pile.
1:06:10
Speaker 3: Have you done money escape rooms?
1:06:12
Speaker 1: I live in Greenville, North Carolina. There's not many there.
1:06:16
Speaker 5: Me and my family, we do them everywhere we go.
1:06:18
They're fucking awesome. And the best ones are in Vegas.
1:06:21
They have an It one in Vegas, It one and
1:06:24
It two. It's fucking incredible.
1:06:27
Speaker 3: It's so good. And it's huge.
1:06:29
Speaker 5: It's like 30,000 square feet, this place. And they actually
1:06:32
have Pennywise the clown. They have an actor who wears
1:06:34
the fucking suit and looks just like Pennywise and scares
1:06:37
the shit out of you.
1:06:37
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
1:06:39
Speaker 5: But those kind of people, you could recruit those kind
1:06:42
of people to design puzzles and things.
1:06:45
Speaker 3: Where people have to do every day. And then you're
1:06:47
dealing with sleep deprivation and people having to work together. Oh,
1:06:51
my God, dude.
1:06:52
Speaker 4: And I know the perfect people for it. We did–
1:06:55
for Salesforce, we did their Super Bowl commercial this year.
1:06:57
And in the commercial, I hid a million dollars in it.
1:07:01
Like basically if you watch the commercial just with your
1:07:03
computer in the commercial, you can win a million dollars.
1:07:05
And there's like a bunch of random clues and puzzles
1:07:07
hidden through it. And over– so the first thing it did,
1:07:11
it took you to a website that just like loosely
1:07:12
explained it. Over 60 million people visited that site and
1:07:15
attempted it, but it still took weeks for people to
1:07:18
find the million dollars. And it was like one of
1:07:19
the craziest internet puzzle hunts ever because it would take
1:07:23
you to this website, which then would take you to
1:07:25
this other one where you'd have to call a number,
1:07:27
and it's a four-hour voicemail. But at the very end,
1:07:30
I would say like, one, two, three, four, eight, blah, blah, blah.
1:07:33
And if you weren't recording this, you're going to have
1:07:34
to listen to all four hours again, hang up. And
1:07:35
then it's just sending you everywhere. And it's basically like
1:07:39
100 of the most complex puzzles on the internet. And like,
1:07:42
it took this like group of like really high level
1:07:45
puzzle solvers almost an entire month to solve it with
1:07:47
a million dollars on the line and millions of people
1:07:49
were trying and there's a whole subreddit dedicated to it.
1:07:51
And so I just, uh, I just basically went on
1:07:54
red and I got all the, like the most cracked out,
1:07:56
like a puzzle solvers in the world.
1:07:57
Speaker 1: And I was like, if you had.
1:07:58
Speaker 4: Unlimited budget, how would you make the most insane puzzle ever?
1:08:01
And then that's what they came up with. And it
1:08:03
was like, it's like hard to even articulate the steps
1:08:06
on it. Like some of it was, uh, uh, how
1:08:09
do I, I don't even know how to describe it.
1:08:10
It was like so complicated. Like sometimes there's like a
1:08:13
page with like a, a bunch of buttons on it,
1:08:15
like a million buttons, but only one works. And now
1:08:17
you have to go through and click it all. And
1:08:18
so some of them were mundane and then other stuff
1:08:20
is like, you know, paragraph attacks and you have to
1:08:22
like use some old language, like decipher the text to
1:08:24
figure out what the words were. And so like each
1:08:26
puzzle required like a different skillset to like get through it.
1:08:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:08:31
Speaker 5: I could, I could think of all sorts of different
1:08:34
things you could have these people do like during the day,
1:08:36
these different tasks, Different puzzles that they have to solve.
1:08:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:08:41
Speaker 4: There's like languages I didn't even know exist. So like
1:08:43
in the commercial, I'm wearing a belt that just had
1:08:45
different colors on it. But if you put the colors
1:08:47
in order, it like translates to this thing. And like,
1:08:50
I mean, I don't even understand what half the things were,
1:08:52
but people were able to figure it out eventually. Like
1:08:55
they're just showing me like, oh, this represents Braille, these dots.
1:08:57
And so we put them in this wave. And then
1:08:59
if you combine it with these colors and it got
1:09:01
like pretty insane. And so it all ties back to
1:09:03
like the Super Bowl commercial and like all every little
1:09:06
thing in there. And like one part of the puzzle
1:09:09
is you have to find locations on a map. And
1:09:10
like in the commercial, I've holed up a grenade. And
1:09:12
it's like a one plus question mark equals like whatever.
1:09:16
And it ends up being like, but the text is yellow.
1:09:20
And like, it's like a stone was drawing on it.
1:09:22
And like, it basically meant yellow stone. And then you
1:09:25
put in yellow stone in like this location thing on
1:09:27
a different website.
1:09:28
Speaker 1: And then it unlocks this. And you had to draw
1:09:30
like a circle on a globe. It got like pretty crazy. Wow.
1:09:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
1:09:34
Speaker 4: Which is why like tens of millions of people attempted it,
1:09:36
but it took almost a month for someone to win
1:09:38
a million dollars.
1:09:38
Speaker 1: And like there's a million.
1:09:40
Speaker 4: Dollars online and all you need to win it was
1:09:41
your computer. So it was like pretty cool to see
1:09:44
like communities form and like people are doing like daily
1:09:46
like podcasts and updates on it of like what the
1:09:49
next like step of the puzzle were. Because what you'll
1:09:51
see in these puzzles too is like, because we also
1:09:53
did one years ago. I love doing these like online
1:09:55
scavenger hunts that with just your computer, you can win
1:09:57
a bunch of money. And you'll see like when one
1:10:00
person will solve a thing And then hundreds of people
1:10:03
will solve it right afterwards because they'll go post it
1:10:05
on Reddit or they're working in groups. And so it
1:10:07
will be like standstill at like step 42.
1:10:10
Speaker 1: You know, no one's there.
1:10:11
Speaker 4: And then you'll just see one person goes on this
1:10:12
website that's step 42. And then tens of thousands of
1:10:15
people will go there. But then as you get closer
1:10:17
to the end, you stop seeing that effect. They start
1:10:19
being more secretive and quiet about it. And so it's
1:10:22
pretty cool to see like the psychology of how they
1:10:24
do it.
1:10:24
Speaker 5: You could have these people completely unarmed in the beginning.
1:10:28
And the only way they can get guns is to
1:10:30
solve puzzles.
1:10:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just find them, right? Because if it's a
1:10:33
bigger city, we just go hide them.
1:10:34
Speaker 3: Well, maybe that's the puzzle. The puzzle is finding guns.
1:10:37
Speaker 5: Like, if there's some sort of a puzzle, and if
1:10:41
you unlock that, it'll give you the location of where
1:10:44
guns are.
1:10:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:10:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe, you know, I also think of, like,
1:10:48
fun stuff, too. Like, we could give them, like, there
1:10:51
could be a gun safe or armory in the city,
1:10:53
but it's, like, they have to, like, break into it, right?
1:10:55
Speaker 3: Right.
1:10:55
Speaker 4: And that could just be a thing that takes, like,
1:10:57
a ton of time. Like, so they have to, like,
1:10:59
go find guns. you know, maybe one of the contestants
1:11:02
we make sure is, like, certified in, like, explosives and stuff,
1:11:05
and they have to, like, oh, no, no shot of
1:11:07
shrimp plop would be okay with this, but it would
1:11:09
be cool if we let them, like, there's, like, mixtures
1:11:11
and stuff to make a bomb hidden throughout the thing,
1:11:13
and they have to go find it, and he makes, like,
1:11:15
a mock C4 and puts it on it, and, you know,
1:11:17
and then that's how they get in the gun safe,
1:11:18
but maybe it's more, like, what's that, Hacksaw or whatever,
1:11:22
and it's, like, You get a safe where if you
1:11:24
hacksaw it for like 10 hours, you can like break
1:11:26
the lock on it and get in.
1:11:27
Speaker 1: So then someone just has to stand there and hold it.
1:11:29
Speaker 5: Or you give people a stethoscope and a book on
1:11:33
how to crack safes.
1:11:34
Speaker 1: True.
1:11:34
Speaker 3: And you have like click, click, click, click, click. You
1:11:36
have to try to figure it out.
1:11:38
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:11:38
Speaker 4: And someone's just like there for like two days straight.
1:11:41
But then if he gets in, it's just straight loaded
1:11:43
with ammo and stuff.
1:11:44
Speaker 1: So it's like a risk reward.
1:11:45
Speaker 5: There are old school safes that you can do that to.
1:11:48
I don't know if they can do that with the
1:11:49
new ones. But if you have, like, an old-school safe
1:11:52
where you can actually hear the tumblers turning.
1:11:54
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:11:55
Speaker 3: Click, click, click.
1:11:55
Speaker 1: Well, we could also just build the lock. I mean,
1:11:58
the beauty of a team like ours is, like, it's possible. Just, like,
1:12:02
get the safe that looks aesthetically how you want and
1:12:04
then just replace the lock, right?
1:12:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, just make it so that it's fixable but complicated. Yeah.
1:12:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be cool.
1:12:12
Speaker 4: Because then it's, like, I'm a big fan of when
1:12:14
they have agency, and so it's, like, You know, it's
1:12:16
like we could even lay it out there like this
1:12:18
will take days to solve.
1:12:19
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:12:19
Speaker 4: And so you could spend days going collecting guns or
1:12:21
days making money to grow the prize pool. Or you
1:12:24
could spend days trying to get lucky on this like
1:12:26
safe that is doable, but there's no guarantee you figure
1:12:28
it out. And having tons of stuff like that, that's
1:12:30
what like makes it interesting, too, for the viewer. Because
1:12:32
you're like, I love in these kind of reality shows
1:12:35
where a viewer can ask, what would I do?
1:12:37
Speaker 6: Right.
1:12:38
Speaker 3: Yes.
1:12:38
Speaker 1: And that's what tends to be.
1:12:40
Speaker 4: What, like, people and families, when they watch together, they love, like,
1:12:43
in Beast Games, when I offer someone a million dollars,
1:12:45
but you have to eliminate your friends, you know, sometimes
1:12:47
people turn down the million dollars. Sometimes people take the
1:12:49
million dollars and eliminate their friends. And, like, that's an
1:12:51
interesting thing to go, well, if I was in their spot,
1:12:54
I don't care. Like, it's a million dollars. The point
1:12:56
is to make money. That's why I'm on the show.
1:12:57
Speaker 3: Take the money.
1:12:58
Speaker 4: But other people see that, and they're like, no, like,
1:13:01
my integrity is worth, you know, I wouldn't take a
1:13:02
billion dollars over my integrity, right? And, you know, and
1:13:05
some people... Even though it's a game show, they're like, no,
1:13:08
I care. But giving them these kind of dilemmas all
1:13:12
throughout it too so then as a viewer I can
1:13:14
be like, yeah, I wouldn't do that.
1:13:15
Speaker 1: I would just go scavenge. It would be cool.
1:13:18
Speaker 5: Also you could make it so that ammo and certain
1:13:22
supplies are only available at night.
1:13:26
Speaker 1: So they're incentivized to move at night.
1:13:28
Speaker 3: You have to go out.
1:13:29
Speaker 5: You have to decide whether or not it's worth getting
1:13:33
caught whether or not you can sneak around and grab.
1:13:36
Speaker 3: The ammo, and then you also have to find it.
1:13:38
You have to find the ammo, maybe find food, find supplies. Like,
1:13:42
supplies are left in duffel bags at night.
1:13:45
Speaker 1: You know, bro, there's so many ways we could take this.
1:13:48
Speaker 4: Something that would be cool is every night, we move
1:13:50
their pile of money into a random building that they
1:13:52
don't know.
1:13:53
Speaker 3: Right.
1:13:53
Speaker 4: But it's all preselected, so it's not that we're screwing them. So, like, we,
1:13:56
as producers, know the 10 buildings each episode. So then
1:13:59
night comes... come in, lift up the money. And we
1:14:02
put like a helicopter literally lifts it up, puts it
1:14:04
on top of a different building. So now they have
1:14:05
to get set up in this building to defend it,
1:14:08
but they, they weren't planned on it. So that's why,
1:14:10
cause also, yeah, that's the other thing you have to
1:14:11
make where every episode is not the same. So then
1:14:13
now every nighttime would be different because they're in a
1:14:15
different building and they don't know.
1:14:17
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:14:18
Speaker 3: That's cool. Yeah.
1:14:21
Speaker 5: And finding like having like random ammo caches, maybe during
1:14:26
the day they have to solve the puzzle that, It
1:14:30
lets them acquire a map and then they have to
1:14:33
figure out where these random ammo dumps are and supply
1:14:37
dumps are and food dumps are.
1:14:39
Speaker 3: So they're already hidden. Well, actually, you know what? You
1:14:41
have to go out at night to find them.
1:14:43
Speaker 4: What would be really cool is if we can find
1:14:44
a abandoned city that had like miles away, like some
1:14:48
other little location that we could like.
1:14:50
Speaker 1: So they find a map.
1:14:51
Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, on the other side of those woods,
1:14:52
but it's like a 10 mile hike.
1:14:54
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And so could you get there,
1:14:55
go grab tons of ammo and then get back before nighttime.
1:14:58
Speaker 6: Right.
1:14:59
Speaker 4: And so then that's also like, I'm a big fan
1:15:01
of like seeing diversity and biodiversity. So things don't feel repetitive.
1:15:03
So then they're going to a different city, but they're
1:15:05
million or whatever. The prize pool is still in the
1:15:07
other one. So you have to go and then come
1:15:09
back to defend it at night. And so it's like,
1:15:11
now you get like, you can like dual cut because
1:15:13
you can have the people in the city. Do you
1:15:15
have the people journeying through the woods? And it's like
1:15:16
interesting to cut back and forth.
1:15:18
Speaker 5: And then if they go out to that city, And
1:15:20
they make the journey and they realize it's going to
1:15:22
take us 10 hours to solve this. By that time,
1:15:25
it'll be 2 in the morning. It's already going to
1:15:26
be dark. We should go back now.
1:15:28
Speaker 3: Fuck it. We're here. Exactly.
1:15:30
Speaker 1: And then agency, right?
1:15:31
Speaker 4: Do they stay and spend the night there and trust
1:15:34
their friends? And they have maybe no walkie-talkie, so they
1:15:36
can't communicate. And their friends are holding down a fort
1:15:39
with a million dollars on top.
1:15:40
Speaker 1: And they're like, where the heck are they? And we
1:15:43
get so many cool shots like that.
1:15:45
Speaker 3: I mean, we've only done this in an hour, right?
1:15:48
An hour or so.
1:15:49
Speaker 5: There's so many different possibilities if you just sat down
1:15:52
and worked. It must be so fun to do what
1:15:54
you do, dude.
1:15:55
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:15:56
Speaker 4: What we're doing right now is what I would call blue-skying.
1:16:00
We're not thinking about, for the most part, restrictions. We're
1:16:02
just thinking about what's great content. And a lot of
1:16:04
that's lost. People in a lot of writers' rooms, they'd
1:16:07
instantly be like, you can't do that or that's not
1:16:08
possible or whatever. And it's like right now we're just
1:16:11
figuring out what is the best show possible. And then
1:16:14
I'll just have people go figure out what is possible
1:16:16
or not. And in reality, everything we've said is possible.
1:16:19
It's just certain things will require a little bit of time,
1:16:21
like the safe, you know, using a modern safe, but
1:16:23
changing the lock.
1:16:24
Speaker 3: That's possible.
1:16:25
Speaker 1: What does it cost? And how long does it take?
1:16:26
Speaker 3: Right.
1:16:26
Speaker 4: And you just go through and you attach all that
1:16:28
to everything. And you do a very first principles way
1:16:30
of going about it. And it's just objective. It would
1:16:32
take X amount of time. It would cost as much money.
1:16:34
And then like, you know, and then you just go
1:16:36
through and figure out what's worth it, what's not, as
1:16:38
opposed to, you know, every step of the way, people be.
1:16:40
Speaker 1: Like, no, you can't do that. Go ahead and redo it.
1:16:42
Speaker 4: And it's just like a, It seems obvious, but I'm
1:16:45
not really sure of many media companies that approach it
1:16:47
like we do, which is.
1:16:48
Speaker 1: No.
1:16:48
Speaker 5: Well, the thing about what you've done is you've built
1:16:51
it from the ground up with yourself and with your team.
1:16:55
Speaker 3: Right.
1:16:55
Speaker 5: So you've never had a bunch of executives telling you
1:16:58
what you should be or shouldn't be doing.
1:17:00
Speaker 3: And that's why it's so great. It's like these a bunch.
1:17:02
Speaker 5: You have creative people and then you have the business
1:17:04
people and the business people. They think they're creative, but
1:17:06
they're generally not. And they want to tell the creative
1:17:09
people what to do so that they can say, that
1:17:11
was my idea. And so then you get a bunch
1:17:13
of people in meetings that give you terrible advice and
1:17:15
terrible ideas.
1:17:16
Speaker 3: Bingo.
1:17:16
Speaker 5: And then they also want to compare it to shows
1:17:18
that have already been successful.
1:17:20
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:17:20
Speaker 3: Well, we've already done this, and why don't we do
1:17:22
it this way?
1:17:22
Speaker 4: And then you don't get the purple cow effect, which
1:17:24
everyone knows. What's the purple cow effect? So if you're
1:17:27
driving down the road and you see a cow, who cares?
1:17:29
Speaker 1: You'll never think of it.
1:17:30
Speaker 4: But if you're driving down the road and you see
1:17:32
a purple cow– you're going to think about it like,
1:17:34
why was that Cal purple?
1:17:35
Speaker 1: And it'll stick in your brain. It's the same thing
1:17:36
with content.
1:17:37
Speaker 4: If it's a show you've seen multiple times or a
1:17:39
format that's similar, you won't think twice. But if it's
1:17:41
a purple Cal, but something you've never seen, then you'll
1:17:43
think about it again. And that's what's counterintuitive to how
1:17:46
you were saying most execs think. They think, well, we
1:17:48
did this before.
1:17:49
Speaker 1: It did well. Repeat it.
1:17:50
Speaker 4: But it's actually the inverse of how you should look
1:17:52
at it. And thankfully, that's why with Beast Games, I've
1:17:54
worked with.
1:17:54
Speaker 1: Prime Video because they just give us creative control. And
1:17:56
they're like, you know what you're doing? You can do it.
1:17:58
Speaker 4: But Well, everyone sees that creators are growing bigger and
1:18:01
bigger audiences. And so a lot of, you know, every
1:18:04
platform on earth is trying to work with them. And
1:18:06
I can't count the amount of times like a creator's
1:18:08
worked with a streaming platform. And then, you know, what
1:18:11
they have is great. But then the execs start giving
1:18:12
notes and it starts to lose a little bit of
1:18:14
the soul, a little bit of the funny. And then
1:18:15
it goes from this like amazing thing to like, it's
1:18:17
all right. And it's like, it's just so frustrating because
1:18:21
it's like you're paying them. Because they get millions of
1:18:23
views a video because they have a core audience. And
1:18:24
then you're stripping the thing away that got them that
1:18:26
core audience. And it's like, why are you even working
1:18:28
with them at that point? And more and more platforms
1:18:31
are waking.
1:18:31
Speaker 1: Up to it.
1:18:32
Speaker 4: But it's just comical how slow they are to it.
1:18:34
And they should just trust them more.
1:18:36
Speaker 5: Well, it's hard for them because they have to put
1:18:38
up so much money and not everybody is Mr.
1:18:40
Speaker 3: Beast. That's the problem.
1:18:42
Speaker 5: It's like you have a great vision and you're really
1:18:43
good at executing. But some people aren't. And so if
1:18:46
you're gonna dump a bunch of money into something you
1:18:48
see them making a disaster you know like the joker
1:18:51
2 or something like that.
1:18:52
Speaker 3: Yeah like hey hey hey yeah the fuck are you doing.
1:18:55
Speaker 4: Of course and that's where it's like well what to
1:18:58
an exec might be a disaster to like a creator
1:19:00
might be a masterpiece and so that's obviously where But
1:19:03
it's evolving. I mean, I think obviously with Obsession, I mean,
1:19:06
they just grossed $ 400 million.
1:19:07
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? I know. I still haven't seen it,
1:19:09
but I heard it's amazing.
1:19:10
Speaker 7: Oh, what?
1:19:10
Speaker 1: You would love it.
1:19:11
Speaker 3: I know. I just don't go to movie theaters anymore.
1:19:13
Speaker 4: I don't either, but that one, with how well people
1:19:16
are talking about it, I had to see it.
1:19:17
Speaker 3: It'll be streaming soon. I think it'll be streaming in
1:19:20
July or something like that.
1:19:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, Obsession, Back Rooms, which was made by a creator,
1:19:23
Amazing Digital Circus, they've been crushing it, Iron Like.
1:19:26
Speaker 1: So it's like Hollywood seeing it more and more.
1:19:28
Speaker 4: But the writing's been there for years, but- Now that–
1:19:30
I mean we just had essentially four hit films made
1:19:32
by creators back to back to back to back.
1:19:34
Speaker 3: Well, did you see Talk to Me? No. Talk to Me,
1:19:37
the horror movie? No. It was great. These two guys
1:19:40
from Australia, they were hilarious.
1:19:41
Speaker 5: These two brothers, they came in and they talked to
1:19:44
me about it.
1:19:44
Speaker 3: But they were making YouTube videos. Yeah.
1:19:46
Speaker 1: What's their name again?
1:19:47
Speaker 3: It's called Talk to Me, right? No.
1:19:49
Speaker 1: What's the creator's names?
1:19:50
Speaker 3: Jamie will pull it up.
1:19:51
Speaker 6: Michael and Danny Philippou.
1:19:54
Speaker 3: OK. So they're so funny. They were on the podcast.
1:19:57
Speaker 1: What's their YouTube channel though?
1:19:58
Speaker 3: A million miles an hour. Yeah.
1:20:00
Speaker 1: I'm... I can't think of their channel. They're, uh... The.
1:20:05
Speaker 3: Rack of Rackers.
1:20:06
Speaker 1: Rack of Rackers, yeah, of course.
1:20:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've, uh... That movie is great. Have you seen it?
1:20:10
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen it, no.
1:20:11
Speaker 3: It's really good. It's really scary, and it's very original.
1:20:14
Speaker 1: Wait, when did you have the Rack of Rackers brothers on?
1:20:16
Speaker 3: A couple years ago.
1:20:17
Speaker 6: Oh, really?
1:20:18
Speaker 3: Two years ago?
1:20:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, they talk fast as hell.
1:20:20
Speaker 3: Dude, they're just... I know. I'm, like, trying to corral them.
1:20:23
It's like, hey, I don't know what the fuck you're saying.
1:20:25
Speaker 1: They're super cool guys. Last time I hung out with them, I.
1:20:28
Speaker 4: Weirdly enough, they're really into Uno, and I, whatever, I
1:20:31
like competitive games, and I played a $ 1, 000 game of
1:20:33
Uno against one of them. And so we filmed it
1:20:37
for like a little short for them, and I lost.
1:20:41
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, well, at least this will
1:20:42
be funny.
1:20:43
Speaker 4: And then after they leave to go back to our show,
1:20:44
they're like, fuck, The SD card's corrupt.
1:20:46
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, what?
1:20:48
Speaker 3: Oh, no. So we didn't even get to upload it. Oh, no.
1:20:50
Speaker 4: But it was just funny because it was, like, we
1:20:52
had this, like, mini set. And we were playing, like,
1:20:54
a really intense game of Uno where we were, like,
1:20:56
slapping cards down.
1:20:57
Speaker 3: SD card's corrupt? That's crazy. I know. It was, like, wild.
1:21:00
Speaker 4: And, like, we were, like, flipping desks and, like, going. Like,
1:21:02
we were just the most batshit game of Uno you've
1:21:04
ever seen.
1:21:05
Speaker 1: And it's just funny. The kids came, like, taking over top. Yeah,
1:21:08
those guys are super cool.
1:21:09
Speaker 5: Well, they made a movie about a hand. And so it's, like,
1:21:12
this ancient hand. It looks like a sculpture and it's
1:21:17
got all this weird cryptic writing on it. And if
1:21:19
you put your hand on it, you hold on to
1:21:21
it and you say, talk to me. Like all of
1:21:24
a sudden you get possessed by something and you're supposed
1:21:30
to let go within a certain amount of seconds. And
1:21:32
if you let go within a certain amount of seconds,
1:21:34
you're okay. But somebody doesn't. Somebody doesn't let go. I
1:21:37
don't want to say anything more.
1:21:39
Speaker 3: It's really good.
1:21:40
Speaker 1: Is it like scary, scary?
1:21:42
Speaker 3: Yes. It's a horror movie. It's fun. It's really good.
1:21:45
Speaker 1: My fiance loves horror films.
1:21:47
Speaker 3: You'll love it.
1:21:47
Speaker 5: It's really well made. When I saw it, I was like,
1:21:50
this is crazy. These guys are like super young guys.
1:21:53
Just energetic, enthusiastic, creative guys just figured out how to
1:21:56
make a horror movie. And it's all done in Australia.
1:21:59
So it's like everyone's driving on the wrong side of
1:22:01
the road and they're all Australian people. So it's like
1:22:04
you don't have to have famous actors to make these
1:22:07
amazing movies. It's like it's not really necessary.
1:22:09
Speaker 1: Well, like the back rooms, I think the director I
1:22:12
think is like 20 years old or whatever. I mean very,
1:22:14
very young. And I think it just crossed 100 million.
1:22:16
Speaker 3: And Obsession, same thing, right? Yeah.
1:22:18
Speaker 1: I think they're a little older. But yeah, in their 20s, YouTubers.
1:22:21
Speaker 3: And they make like.
1:22:22
Speaker 4: Curry, just the silliest, goofiest skits on TikTok and Instagram Reels,
1:22:27
and now, and then you watch Obsession, it really is
1:22:29
one of the best movies I've seen in a while,
1:22:31
and it's just hilarious to see the jump, but when
1:22:33
you look backwards, it's kind of like Steve Jobs says,
1:22:35
it's hard to connect the dots going forward, but you
1:22:37
can connect them looking backwards, When you look back at
1:22:39
his skits, they were very well shot and very beautiful.
1:22:43
And you can kind of connect in your dots. I
1:22:45
can see how this person made hundreds upon hundreds of
1:22:48
these little scenes on TikTok and Instagram. And then that
1:22:50
led to being able to compile a bunch. And it
1:22:52
was essentially practice for the movie. And it's just cool
1:22:55
to see the progression of so many directors going over.
1:22:58
And what's interesting, though, is when you see these things happen,
1:23:00
there's obviously a delay, right? Because producing films takes sometimes years.
1:23:04
And so now that you see all these hits, bang, bang, bang,
1:23:07
coming out of the creator space over in traditional Hollywood,
1:23:10
then you're not going to see the fact six months
1:23:12
from now. But 18 months from now, I would bet
1:23:15
money you're going to see dozens of other movies made
1:23:17
by creators. And obviously these people are going to get
1:23:19
more funding because now everyone's eyes are being opened to
1:23:22
what should have been open a while ago. But this
1:23:24
is what people are watching now, especially people under the
1:23:26
age of 30. They grow up watching YouTube and they're spending,
1:23:29
you know, two hours a day flipping through sub 60
1:23:31
second vertical feeds of TikTok reels and, you know, shorts.
1:23:34
And this is this is culture for them.
1:23:36
Speaker 1: This is their world.
1:23:37
Speaker 4: You know, I don't watch besides Christopher Nolan. Like, I'm
1:23:40
not really going to a movie theater for anything. But
1:23:42
when a creator drops a movie like, OK, like I
1:23:44
want to see what they did.
1:23:45
Speaker 5: You know, I always want to see what new innovators
1:23:48
are coming up with, like people that are just thinking
1:23:51
outside the box that aren't. They're not trapped in that
1:23:54
sort of a weird world of like how to make
1:23:56
a successful film.
1:23:57
Speaker 3: They just– they're just– they have a creative vision. They're
1:24:00
just trying to follow it out.
1:24:02
Speaker 5: And people are not limited to whatever genre you know
1:24:05
them from. Just because someone makes like funny TikTok reels
1:24:07
doesn't mean they can't make a great horror film.
1:24:09
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:24:09
Speaker 5: But think about like Jordan Peele, right? Made Keen Peele,
1:24:13
made this comedy sketch show. And then all of a
1:24:15
sudden he makes these, you know, like get out.
1:24:19
Speaker 3: And you're like, what the fuck?
1:24:20
Speaker 4: It seems like comedy sketches is the gateway to great
1:24:23
horror films. I mean, I'm sure people have connected that dots.
1:24:25
I'm probably like two years late to saying that, but
1:24:28
I never even realized that. But yeah, Keaton Peele, Curry, Baker,
1:24:31
a bunch of other people.
1:24:32
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
1:24:33
Speaker 5: Well, it seems like if you're creative, you can be
1:24:35
like most people have a variety of things that are
1:24:38
interesting to them. You know, you like comedy movies, like
1:24:41
horror movies. And just because you make comedies. doesn't mean
1:24:44
you don't have some good ideas about something that's absolutely terrifying.
1:24:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:24:47
Speaker 4: And I wonder too, I feel like horror films, it's
1:24:49
a little easier to do on a smaller budget because
1:24:51
it's like a lot of it is like the unknown
1:24:53
and you're not necessarily having to show it and suspense
1:24:55
and stuff. Whereas like, you know, you don't really see like,
1:24:58
I can't really think of like a sub like couple
1:25:01
million dollar action film that like really crushed because like,
1:25:04
obviously those are very expensive. So it seems like also
1:25:06
a good place where you can make something like the
1:25:09
difference between a hundred million dollar horror film and like a,
1:25:11
$ 10 million horror film, I would argue, honestly, really isn't
1:25:15
that big.
1:25:16
Speaker 3: It depends on what you're doing, right?
1:25:18
Speaker 4: What makes it good is the premise behind it, right?
1:25:22
The tension and if the thing that's scary makes you
1:25:26
feel that way, but feelings aren't directly correlated to money spent.
1:25:30
You could have this monster that doesn't appear to the
1:25:33
end and you don't need to CGI it throughout the
1:25:35
whole thing, but if you tell the story in the
1:25:36
right way and the constant tension, you can feel phenomenal
1:25:40
throughout the whole thing.
1:25:41
Speaker 3: Sure.
1:25:42
Speaker 5: And a lot of the older films that didn't have
1:25:44
the kind of special effects that they have today in
1:25:46
terms of like CGI, like there was something better about
1:25:50
not seeing the monster, like American Werewolf in London.
1:25:53
Speaker 3: It's the best example. You barely see it.
1:25:56
Speaker 5: You see it for like literally half a second, a
1:25:58
few times in the early parts.
1:25:59
Speaker 1: Of the movie. I haven't seen the movie.
1:26:01
Speaker 3: Oh, you haven't seen it?
1:26:02
Speaker 6: No.
1:26:02
Speaker 3: Oh my God, it's amazing.
1:26:03
Speaker 4: Speaking of not seeing a movie, I did watch Ex
1:26:05
Machina after the last podcast.
1:26:07
Speaker 3: How good is it? Oh, it was really good. Really good.
1:26:09
Speaker 4: You know, honestly, I was like, It's probably silly, but
1:26:12
I'll watch it because, you know, Joe told me years ago.
1:26:14
Speaker 1: I loved it. I didn't realize it was that good.
1:26:17
Speaker 3: It's one of my top ten all-time favorite movies. Also
1:26:19
because it's coming. That's coming. Oh, now, yeah.
1:26:22
Speaker 1: It's more relevant than ever.
1:26:23
Speaker 5: Did you see the computer electronics show from Vegas this year?
1:26:26
Speaker 1: Computer electronics? With the drones?
1:26:28
Speaker 3: CES. Well, they have everything.
1:26:30
Speaker 5: And one of the things they had was an AI companion.
1:26:32
And this AI companion is a hot Asian lady with
1:26:35
big boobs. And the lips don't sync up with the mouth,
1:26:40
which is with the way the sound's coming out.
1:26:43
Speaker 3: But it's talking to you in A.I. Yeah.
1:26:45
Speaker 5: So it literally can have a back and forth conversation
1:26:48
with you just like perplexity can.
1:26:49
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:26:50
Speaker 1: Or chat GPT or Gemini.
1:26:51
Speaker 3: And it's doing it with a voice. Yeah. So with
1:26:53
a hot voice. I mean– And it's like that's common, dude.
1:26:57
Speaker 1: Well, of course. I mean the language model is already there, right?
1:27:00
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:27:00
Speaker 1: You can open up Gemini right now and talk to
1:27:02
it like a normal human. Yeah. And if you just
1:27:03
tell it to respond quick, it will talk to you.
1:27:05
Speaker 3: And it will talk to you with slang. Exactly. It
1:27:07
will talk to you and say that part.
1:27:10
Speaker 4: Like it will say– Well, one thing that's– it's funny.
1:27:12
I– I play this board game a lot called Dune, whatever,
1:27:16
like I'm a big nerd, but there's.
1:27:17
Speaker 1: Like this one.
1:27:18
Speaker 3: It's called Dune? Yeah, Dune. Like Dune the movies?
1:27:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a recreation. What's funny, I hadn't even seen
1:27:22
the movies when I started playing the game. I didn't
1:27:24
realize there was movies. I didn't even know there was books.
1:27:25
I just was looking for like fun strategy board games.
1:27:28
I used to play a lot of Catan, but the
1:27:30
problem was Catan, it's like dice roll and, you know,
1:27:33
if you get unlucky, you don't really win. There's like
1:27:35
games where, you know, there's a skill ceiling where, you know,
1:27:38
the best player always wins, which is chess is a
1:27:39
perfect example of that. But then it gets to the
1:27:41
point of like, well, if you want to be really
1:27:43
great at that, it's who spends the most time doing it.
1:27:45
So I don't want one that's a hundred percent skill,
1:27:47
but I don't want something that's too much randomness. That's
1:27:49
why I take board games a little serious because I
1:27:51
love strategy games.
1:27:52
Speaker 3: And like, because if it's too much dice.
1:27:54
Speaker 4: Roll, like theoretically Monopoly or Catan, then it's like, who cares?
1:27:58
It's just whether or not you got lucky. So that
1:27:59
it's like, I did a lot of research into like
1:28:01
finding a game where there's like a, a little bit
1:28:03
of randomness, so it's not just devote all your life,
1:28:05
but there, like, is an infinite skill ceiling, and that's
1:28:08
where I kind of landed on this game called Dune,
1:28:09
and I started playing it, and it also had to
1:28:11
be a game where enough people played it where I
1:28:12
could actually find people to play it, and I got
1:28:14
really hooked into it, but it's ironic because then I saw, like,
1:28:18
the movies were dropping, and I was like, oh, and
1:28:20
then all the characters started to make sense after I
1:28:21
watched the movies. After I'd been, like, probably a thousand
1:28:23
hours into the game, I was totally backwards on the IP,
1:28:26
but anyways, because we were talking about talking to AI,
1:28:29
one of the top players, like, makes YouTube videos on it,
1:28:32
and I was like, Kind of curious what he would
1:28:35
do if he was in certain positions as me. So
1:28:38
I just took all the transcripts. of 100 of his
1:28:41
YouTube videos and I just put it into Gemini. And
1:28:44
I was just like, hey, respond to me based on
1:28:47
how this person would and talk to me like this
1:28:49
person would and what would this person say in this scenario.
1:28:52
And then when I was playing a game, I would
1:28:53
just ask the questions like, the player's name is Dino, whatever.
1:28:56
And so I called it dino.io. And I'd be like,
1:28:59
what would dino.io do here? And it was pretty funny
1:29:02
because it would respond just like him because it had
1:29:03
so many words from all his videos, like dozens of hours.
1:29:07
And I know one of Dino's friends, his name is Che.
1:29:12
And I was like, would you take a bullet for Che?
1:29:14
And Dino's like a very analytical guy. And the AI
1:29:16
was like, well.
1:29:17
Speaker 1: It depends. Is it in the foot? Is it in
1:29:19
the chest?
1:29:19
Speaker 4: And it responded exactly how, like, my friend would. Like,
1:29:22
to a T, like, with the same mannerisms and everything.
1:29:25
I was like, this is crazy. Like, this is absolutely insane.
1:29:28
And then so I would put it where it was
1:29:30
on a Discord call. And, like, Dino, we would be playing.
1:29:33
And then I'd ask questions. And I'd be like, no, actually, Dino,
1:29:36
don't say anything. And I'd ask Dino.io. And it would
1:29:38
respond exactly how he would respond in most of these situations.
1:29:40
Speaker 1: Because it had to.
1:29:41
Speaker 4: So much like contextual relevance from all his live streams
1:29:44
on his YouTube channel.
1:29:45
Speaker 1: And it was, it was pretty crazy.
1:29:47
Speaker 3: And, um, yeah.
1:29:48
Speaker 4: And so it's, uh, it was just so surreal. So
1:29:50
talking about like the robot thing, I just wonder too,
1:29:52
if like, if you put like a pendant around someone's
1:29:54
neck and you just recorded them talking for like a
1:29:56
week or two, and then you just fed that into
1:29:58
an LLM. And then you were like, Hey, talk to
1:30:00
me like this person, uh, talks like you could have
1:30:02
that you know whatever asian robot you're talking about you
1:30:05
could have it literally talk to you like some other
1:30:06
human right um because it's interesting too because i was
1:30:09
like hey give me a breakdown of dino's speech and
1:30:12
it was like hey 0.15 of his words are um
1:30:16
uh around 0.3 of what he says is like it
1:30:18
gave me like a full breakdown of like the last
1:30:19
hundred thousand words he said what percentage they are how
1:30:22
he typically structures his things like If you put him
1:30:24
in a stressful situation, he'll like kind of respond more
1:30:26
like this. But if it's more chill, he'll use this vocabulary.
1:30:29
It was like really cool. But also scary because I
1:30:32
was like, man, I have a lot of me talking, right?
1:30:35
Like this podcast, theoretically, people could just take dozens of
1:30:37
hours of this and just make like a little Jimmy.io.
1:30:40
And it's enough where it can pick up on my
1:30:42
speech patterns and how I would respond to certain situations.
1:30:44
Speaker 3: 100%.
1:30:44
Speaker 5: They can do that easily. and then just put you
1:30:47
in a robot, and now Jimmy lives forever.
1:30:49
Speaker 3: Exactly.
1:30:49
Speaker 1: Or you can just have your robot be whoever, which
1:30:52
is kind of weird.
1:30:54
Speaker 3: That would be very weird, you living with you.
1:30:56
Speaker 5: Imagine you have a robot, and you get the robot
1:30:59
to do stuff around your house. Instead of hiring a housekeeper,
1:31:03
you come home, and Jimmy's vacuuming.
1:31:06
Speaker 1: Or not even cynically, just sad. It's like, you know,
1:31:09
if you lost a loved one or something.
1:31:10
Speaker 3: And then, yeah, I know, but that's pet cemetery talk. Yeah.
1:31:13
Speaker 1: But if someone's like.
1:31:14
Speaker 4: Really grieving, they might, you know, do it because they
1:31:16
want some normalcy back or something.
1:31:18
Speaker 3: I'll probably feel empty and hollow and even creepier. You
1:31:21
have a robot that's pretending to be your husband. Yeah. Yeah.
1:31:25
Fuck off. That's crazy.
1:31:27
Speaker 1: I know, but it just, I don't know. These next
1:31:29
few years are gonna be crazy, man.
1:31:30
Speaker 4: Everything's developing so rapidly and it's just, uh, yeah, it's, uh,
1:31:35
2036 is going to be completely different than 2026.
1:31:37
Speaker 3: I know, isn't it?
1:31:39
Speaker 5: There's never been a time where the future is so uncertain,
1:31:43
where no one can give you a really accurate map
1:31:45
of what 10 years from now looks like. The difference
1:31:47
between 1930 and 1940, not much other than world events.
1:31:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:31:54
Speaker 5: The difference between– 1600 and 1700, not much, not much different.
1:31:59
Maybe better boats, you know, maybe better muskets.
1:32:02
Speaker 3: Yeah. The difference between 2026 and 2036 is going to
1:32:07
be who fucking knows.
1:32:08
Speaker 1: I know, man.
1:32:09
Speaker 3: Full on Blade Runner.
1:32:11
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like the, some of the people
1:32:14
I see working on like, you know, augmented reality glasses
1:32:17
and like, where, you know, like there's animes where people
1:32:20
get trapped in video games and stuff like that. And
1:32:21
I could really see like, you know, with AI advancing
1:32:23
and with more and more compute where you could just,
1:32:25
you know, put on a headset and live in a
1:32:26
video game and you could literally just gender or generate
1:32:30
whatever the world is you want. And literally like, you know,
1:32:32
10 years from now, potentially just real-time generate the video
1:32:35
game you want to be in and cater to what
1:32:36
you like and just so many possibilities. And obviously with
1:32:39
humanoid robots just skyrocketing, I mean, it doesn't take a
1:32:42
genius to see, well, with intelligence, you know, computer intelligence
1:32:45
getting better and humanoid robots, all these just tens of
1:32:47
billions of dollars pouring into it. They're obviously, someone's going
1:32:50
to figure out how to merge them together and And yeah,
1:32:52
I mean, 10 years from now, we're definitely going to just,
1:32:54
there's going to be humanoid robots and so many things
1:32:56
that now would seem weird as hell. But 10 years
1:32:58
from now, we'd be like, oh, it's normal.
1:32:59
Speaker 5: 10 years from now, you're going to have a show
1:33:01
where people have to figure out whether or not someone's
1:33:04
a robot or a real person.
1:33:06
Speaker 4: I would say 10 years from now, that would be
1:33:09
five years from now, probably. 10 years from now, I
1:33:11
feel like that would just be like, you know, is
1:33:13
this a rock or an iPhone or whatever?
1:33:14
Speaker 1: Like no one would care.
1:33:15
Speaker 4: They're just going to be normalized to especially like younger people,
1:33:18
like younger kids who grow up with chat GPT and
1:33:21
AI and stuff like that. It's like, it's just intuitive
1:33:23
to them, you know, to use these things or, um,
1:33:26
as opposed to other means. And so it's just like,
1:33:29
as that generation, you know, grow, once they become a thing,
1:33:31
then give it a couple of years for people to
1:33:33
get used to it and normalize to it.
1:33:34
Speaker 1: And then, you know, it's not going to take that long.
1:33:36
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's going to be very, very, very weird.
1:33:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
1:33:41
Speaker 4: It's like, and it's also like scary because you don't
1:33:43
know the implications, like whether it'll be negative, positive, you know,
1:33:46
some people will be negative for other people will probably
1:33:48
be positive.
1:33:49
Speaker 6: Right.
1:33:49
Speaker 4: You know, like if you're a VFX artist in media,
1:33:52
you'll probably be able to spend more time doing cool
1:33:54
stuff and creative work and, and less time like going
1:33:57
frame by frame and like, you know, like no one
1:34:00
actually enjoys like, rotoscoping someone's hair and like, you know,
1:34:03
so you can, you know, remove a background.
1:34:05
Speaker 1: Shot or whatever.
1:34:06
Speaker 4: So like for certain people like that, ideally, you know,
1:34:09
it allowed them to, you know, instead of you just,
1:34:12
you know, draw a circle around them and then it
1:34:13
just collapses on them and AI just figures it out.
1:34:15
So you're not going, you know, frame by frame and
1:34:17
drawing around their body and it does that. And you
1:34:19
can spend more time doing actual like creative fun work,
1:34:21
you know, and hopefully that's where it goes and not
1:34:24
to the point where you just don't even need the
1:34:25
person entirely, but it's like anyone's guess where like the
1:34:28
puck ends up stopping, you know?
1:34:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be real weird, man. Real weird.
1:34:33
It's going to be interesting. Hopefully we'll survive. I mean,
1:34:39
I'm an optimist.
1:34:40
Speaker 1: I think we'll survive, but yeah.
1:34:41
Speaker 5: I'm an optimist too, but I have a feeling that
1:34:44
we'll have a different.
1:34:45
Speaker 3: Role in society.
1:34:47
Speaker 1: That's for sure.
1:34:47
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll be the leaders anymore.
1:34:49
Speaker 1: Oh, that far?
1:34:51
Speaker 6: Okay.
1:34:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think AI is going to take over most things. Yeah.
1:34:55
Including government. Including allocation of resources.
1:34:58
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:34:59
Speaker 5: It's going to probably restrict people's ability to make decisions
1:35:03
because we're so destructive.
1:35:05
Speaker 4: I listened to your podcast with Marc Andreessen, and I
1:35:08
do like what he said, or not like, but it's
1:35:10
just interesting when he pointed out that AI is the
1:35:13
smartest doctor in the world, is the smartest blank in
1:35:15
the world, is the smartest of everything, right? And typically,
1:35:17
billionaires like him would only have limited access to these
1:35:21
high-level professionals in each industry, but now it's essentially democratized that,
1:35:24
and everyone has access to the smartest person in the
1:35:26
world in each of these industries, and so It is
1:35:28
pretty interesting because if it is not omnipotent but all-knowing
1:35:32
and knows all these things, it's scary because it's like
1:35:35
we don't want– as a human, I'm like, no, I
1:35:37
don't want to make those decisions. But if you purely
1:35:39
take emotion out of it, logically, it's like, well, would
1:35:42
you rather a human with flaws that could do something
1:35:44
fairly bad or this thing that has a lot more
1:35:46
context and knowledge and experience, right? You say you want
1:35:49
an experienced person making a decision. Well, technically, this has
1:35:51
the experience of everyone ever in history on the internet, right?
1:35:54
But it's also– I don't.
1:35:56
Speaker 1: Even know, man. It's crazy.
1:35:57
Speaker 4: But hopefully, for the most part, right now, at least,
1:36:01
it seems like it's allowing people to do less busy
1:36:05
work and less things that they don't enjoy and focus more,
1:36:07
at least in media, what I'm seeing, focus more on
1:36:09
things they do enjoy. Like I was saying, the example
1:36:12
of not having to roto every single frame on a
1:36:14
body or.
1:36:15
Speaker 1: Being able to pre-visualize scenes or whatever.
1:36:17
Speaker 4: So it's like it seems– and everything I'm seeing and
1:36:21
maybe I live in a bubble on Twitter. It seems
1:36:22
like it's not killing that many jobs yet.
1:36:25
Speaker 3: Not yet. But it could.
1:36:27
Speaker 5: But the idea is that it could also provide so
1:36:30
much wealth for everybody that we no longer have to
1:36:33
think about money in terms of like you need food.
1:36:36
Speaker 3: You need shelter. Yeah.
1:36:38
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:36:38
Speaker 3: Like this is universal high income is Elon's concept. He
1:36:43
thinks that.
1:36:43
Speaker 5: Literally people are not going to have to work anymore.
1:36:46
Then the problem with that is like then you run
1:36:48
into human nature problems. And so we have to teach
1:36:51
children how to pursue their interests rather than how to
1:36:54
just worry about having a job to feed themselves. And
1:36:57
so then you have to give them motivation. So you
1:36:59
have to explain to them at an early age that
1:37:02
going after tasks, completing tasks, doing things that are difficult
1:37:05
and challenging. It's actually exciting and fun. And that's what
1:37:08
you should generate. And then we're going to have to
1:37:10
reward people based on that. And it's just to figure
1:37:13
out like what incentivizes people to do things.
1:37:17
Speaker 3: Because if they.
1:37:17
Speaker 5: Don't get incentivized and then we also have VR and
1:37:22
AR and games that you can play all day long
1:37:25
that are way more exciting than real life. You don't
1:37:28
want to just take your government money and play Call
1:37:30
of Duty all day, especially if it becomes VR Call
1:37:32
of Duty.
1:37:33
Speaker 3: Exactly.
1:37:33
Speaker 4: That's where it's going to get hard because I think
1:37:35
of how addicted to video games I was when I
1:37:37
was a kid.
1:37:38
Speaker 1: I mean, still to some degree now.
1:37:40
Speaker 4: And if it was in a headset in a completely
1:37:43
different world, oh my gosh, my poor mom, good.
1:37:46
Speaker 1: Luck getting me out of that.
1:37:47
Speaker 4: She struggled to get me to stop staring at a
1:37:49
screen and making Call of Duty YouTube videos and playing
1:37:51
Call of Duty when I was younger. And, you know,
1:37:53
but if I was like actually in a headset and
1:37:55
all my friends are on it, you know, and then
1:37:57
you take it off and now you have freaking homework
1:38:00
and like real life stuff. And like you went from
1:38:02
the most overstimulating, beautiful, different utopia world where everything's amazing
1:38:07
and you're with your friends and you're having fun.
1:38:09
Speaker 1: And then you take it off and you're back in
1:38:11
like real life, which sucks.
1:38:12
Speaker 4: Like that's like a whole different level of addiction than
1:38:15
like current video games would have.
1:38:16
Speaker 6: And.
1:38:17
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what the timeline is on
1:38:18
that stuff, but it's clear that that's going to happen
1:38:21
in our lifetimes.
1:38:22
Speaker 3: That's the matrix, and that's coming.
1:38:23
Speaker 5: And there's going to be multiple levels of that, and
1:38:25
it's also going to exponentially get better and better with
1:38:28
each iteration.
1:38:29
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:38:29
Speaker 3: There's no way to stop it. It's going to happen.
1:38:31
And that's sandbox VR, but times a million.
1:38:34
Speaker 5: If you go to play those games, you're in a
1:38:37
small room that's like a part of a giant warehouse
1:38:39
where they have these things set up, and your room
1:38:41
is like 50 feet by 50 feet and you move
1:38:45
around and there you do a bunch of stuff. But
1:38:47
if this is an actual fucking warehouse, you have physical
1:38:50
boundaries that exist. Like, and then you're in a virtual
1:38:54
space where as you're walking, it looks like the actual
1:38:57
ground that you're walking on.
1:38:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:38:59
Speaker 5: And you're, you're involved. You won't be able to tell
1:39:02
what's real and what's not real.
1:39:03
Speaker 4: And with those omni-directional treadmills and stuff, when someone cracks
1:39:06
the code, it's a, you've probably never heard of it,
1:39:08
but there's a popular anime called Sword Art Online. It's where,
1:39:11
it's just a guy gets trapped in a video game
1:39:14
and he lives his life through there. And I remember
1:39:16
watching that when I was younger. And I remember like
1:39:19
when I was really young, we're fresh off of watching
1:39:21
that anime. I was like, man, I hope they figure
1:39:23
this out in my lifetime. So I'm like 80 years old.
1:39:25
I could just put one of those on and just
1:39:26
live in the video game. And it's like, at first
1:39:28
he's scared, but then he ends up loving it because
1:39:30
it's just.
1:39:30
Speaker 1: Like, everything's great. And, and yeah, so I think, yeah, Yeah,
1:39:35
there's just.
1:39:36
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is, like, what's real and what's not real?
1:39:39
Speaker 5: You know, is it really important for things to happen
1:39:42
physically in.
1:39:44
Speaker 3: The real, air quotes, real world?
1:39:47
Speaker 5: Or will it be just as fulfilling to exist in
1:39:50
these virtual worlds?
1:39:51
Speaker 1: I mean, there are.
1:39:52
Speaker 4: I remember when I was younger, I would play, like,
1:39:54
this game called Wizard 101. It's like World of Warcraft,
1:39:56
like an MMORPG. And, like, there are definitely times in
1:39:59
my life, maybe there were short periods, where, like, when
1:40:01
I was a young kid, like, my character in that
1:40:03
game definitely.
1:40:05
Speaker 1: mattered like pretty.
1:40:06
Speaker 4: Similar to like me in real life like I was
1:40:07
really hooked you know on that game and so like
1:40:10
I could see it.
1:40:10
Speaker 1: Like you know where people like look at people who've.
1:40:13
Speaker 4: Dedicated their entire lives to World of Warcraft there's you
1:40:15
know probably hundreds of thousands or at least tens of
1:40:17
thousands and it's like you know, if you could recreate
1:40:20
that same effect, people would feel that same way. Well,
1:40:22
if I'm 90 years old and I'm better and like,
1:40:24
I don't care, put that headset on me.
1:40:26
Speaker 1: Like I'm done.
1:40:26
Speaker 4: Let me just live it out in here. You know,
1:40:29
someone come in, stretch my limbs every couple of days. Like,
1:40:32
you know, put an IV in me. I don't even
1:40:33
want to take the headset off to eat.
1:40:34
Speaker 5: Well, then there's a question of, is that already happening
1:40:37
right now? So if a simulation exists and it's so
1:40:43
good that it's impossible to differentiate between the simulation and
1:40:47
real life and, There's a lot of people that are
1:40:51
very intelligent people that believe we are inside of some
1:40:54
sort of a simulation currently. Elon is one of them.
1:40:56
He said the odds of us not being in a
1:40:58
simulation are in billions.
1:40:59
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah.
1:41:01
Speaker 5: So something akin to a simulation he believes is running
1:41:04
right now.
1:41:06
Speaker 3: So maybe– Maybe we are in Beast Games.
1:41:10
Speaker 1: Some me a thousand years in the future.
1:41:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, the hundredth version of Beast Games.
1:41:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, with compute growing and growing, if someone figured out
1:41:18
how to harvest the energy of a single star.
1:41:21
Speaker 5: Maybe that's what this is about. As we grow older,
1:41:23
technology becomes crazier and crazier. And it reaches some sort
1:41:27
of a tipping point while we're alive. And this is
1:41:30
the end of the game.
1:41:31
Speaker 1: That would be crazy.
1:41:32
Speaker 6: Right?
1:41:32
Speaker 3: It reaches some sort of event horizon.
1:41:34
Speaker 4: Or it's some actual civilization similar to us. But then
1:41:37
they just wanted to– they lost– like how we lost
1:41:39
a lot of our ancient history, they did too. So
1:41:40
this is a simulation to see how did we come
1:41:43
to be with all this stuff?
1:41:45
Speaker 1: And so, yeah.
1:41:46
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, if you're harvesting the energy of the
1:41:48
sun and you have all that compute, I mean, look
1:41:50
at what we're currently able to do with just data
1:41:51
centers on the planet. Like it's not far-fetched to think
1:41:54
you could have someone put a headset on or whatever
1:41:56
and simulate it.
1:41:57
Speaker 1: You know, trillions of things.
1:41:58
Speaker 5: So not just that, but then there's the reality of
1:42:01
the structure of the universe itself, like subatomic particles acting
1:42:07
differently when they're observed.
1:42:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:42:10
Speaker 5: So it's like, OK, what what effect is consciousness having
1:42:14
on reality itself? And are we limited in our senses
1:42:17
and our ability to recognize the impact of it? And
1:42:20
do we live in a siloed version of reality that
1:42:24
we're imprisoned by our limited senses of sight, smell, touch?
1:42:28
Speaker 3: Exactly.
1:42:29
Speaker 5: Like there could be way more weird shit going on
1:42:32
around us all the time. We just don't have the ability.
1:42:35
And that's what the simulation is.
1:42:37
Speaker 3: Exactly. But it's not as simple as like you show
1:42:40
up with your lunch pail and you go to work. No,
1:42:42
there might be some weird shit that's going on all
1:42:45
along with consciousness.
1:42:47
Speaker 4: It's– you know, we did a video where we helped
1:42:49
a thousand, you know, blind people or people who couldn't
1:42:52
CC again with cataract surgeries.
1:42:54
Speaker 1: And I, I did think about that. It's like fascinating because, you.
1:42:57
Speaker 4: Know, if they didn't have other humans around them, they,
1:42:59
they just would have never known that sight was a thing.
1:43:01
Like they, you know, if we, as other humans didn't
1:43:03
tell them, I mean, they just couldn't see. And so
1:43:06
it is like, is there a sense that we might
1:43:08
not be.
1:43:08
Speaker 1: Aware of that?
1:43:09
Speaker 3: A bunch of them, I bet.
1:43:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:43:12
Speaker 4: I mean, but that, that is like an interesting thought experiment.
1:43:15
And like, cause like to those people, um, It was
1:43:19
actually a random memory I just got, too. We also
1:43:22
did a video where we helped 1,000 deaf people hear again.
1:43:25
And a lot of them, it was just giving them, like, really,
1:43:27
really advanced hearing aids. And they just hadn't heard in years.
1:43:30
And there's this one scene we did where a guy
1:43:33
had a newborn child that was, like, a couple years old,
1:43:35
but was deaf since the child was born and had
1:43:38
never heard his child. And so we put it in,
1:43:40
and it, like, really, really amplified sound where he could
1:43:43
actually hear. He hadn't heard sound in God knows how long.
1:43:46
And then the first thing he heard is we had
1:43:48
his child just say daddy.
1:43:49
Speaker 1: And he, like, lost it. That was the first word
1:43:52
he heard in years. And it was the first time
1:43:53
he ever heard her. And I don't even know why
1:43:56
that memory popped in my head. That's incredible.
1:43:58
Speaker 4: Like, one of the most special things we've ever filmed was, like,
1:44:02
that moment right there.
1:44:02
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that's crazy.
1:44:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, we assume that the senses that we have detect
1:44:08
everything that's around us. But we know that's really not
1:44:11
true because they're so limited. Just in terms of our
1:44:14
ability to see things, right? We see more things with
1:44:16
a microscope than you can with the naked eye.
1:44:18
Speaker 3: Exactly. And we have no idea what the senses are missing.
1:44:22
Speaker 4: And all you have to do is ask yourself, if
1:44:23
you were those people and you didn't have other people
1:44:25
around you telling you, you wouldn't have known.
1:44:27
Speaker 1: Like you would have thought that was reality.
1:44:28
Speaker 3: Right.
1:44:29
Speaker 1: It's just, yeah.
1:44:31
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:44:31
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll ever know, but.
1:44:33
Speaker 3: Well, just think about the sense of smell, where that is.
1:44:36
There's an invisible thing. And when someone farts, you go, oh. Exactly. Yeah.
1:44:40
Speaker 6: And like.
1:44:41
Speaker 1: You'd have no idea.
1:44:43
Speaker 5: If you didn't have a sense of smell, you would
1:44:45
just be existing just like everybody else. And without a
1:44:49
sense of smell, life is not that much different. It's different,
1:44:52
but not that much different. Everything looks exactly the same,
1:44:55
but no one can smell anything. But think of gases
1:44:59
and all sorts of gas leak in your house or
1:45:01
weird shit that you smell, skunks.
1:45:04
Speaker 3: All that stuff you'd be missing out on.
1:45:05
Speaker 1: I guess if you had to get rid of one
1:45:07
of the five senses.
1:45:08
Speaker 3: That would be the one.
1:45:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I feel like that's the least necessary to survival.
1:45:11
Speaker 3: It would suck. Food wouldn't taste as good.
1:45:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:45:14
Speaker 3: You wouldn't know if you had BO. Yeah.
1:45:16
Speaker 4: But for the most part, your odds of living don't
1:45:19
really drop that much. And like your overall happiness wouldn't
1:45:22
change dramatically.
1:45:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:45:23
Speaker 5: The only thing that would be a problem is impact
1:45:26
by chemicals. Like you wouldn't be able to smell like
1:45:30
horrible chemicals that your body is like rejecting. There are
1:45:33
certain things you smell. You go, oh, what the fuck
1:45:35
is this? I got to get away from that because
1:45:36
your body is letting you know. Like this is toxic.
1:45:38
Whatever you're breathing in is not normal air. Environmental poisons
1:45:43
would be a problem. But other than that, regular life,
1:45:46
if you lived in a contained, safe environment like most cities,
1:45:49
most offices, most places that people work, it's not that
1:45:53
big of a deal to lose your sense of smell.
1:45:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:45:56
Speaker 1: You know what?
1:45:57
Speaker 4: It's funny because on the car ride over here, I
1:45:59
was listening to a podcast we did, whatever, four years ago.
1:46:02
And it's, like, especially, like, the entire podcast. I was
1:46:05
way younger back then. It was all about, like, YouTube
1:46:07
data and analytics.
1:46:09
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that. And it's, like,
1:46:11
I do, like, one thing I've noticed.
1:46:14
Speaker 4: It's interesting because, like, I started making videos when I
1:46:16
was 11. So my entire life is on the internet, right? And, like,
1:46:20
my puberty, every development and stuff. And I look at that,
1:46:23
our old podcast, and, like, it is so interesting. Like, uh, brutal,
1:46:27
like I have borderline, like autism on like this one subject.
1:46:30
And it's like, I was so one dimensional back then
1:46:32
because I was just young and I'd only ever done
1:46:34
one thing. It's just so interesting because it's like. If
1:46:38
someone were to theoretically search MrBeastJoeRogan and they– if they
1:46:41
clicked on either one of these podcasts, it would be
1:46:43
two completely different experiences.
1:46:44
Speaker 3: Right. Well, you look differently. Yeah.
1:46:48
Speaker 5: I mean you look great, man. I was saying before
1:46:51
the podcast, you look fantastic.
1:46:52
Speaker 3: You lost weight. You look really healthy.
1:46:54
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I was telling Joe before the podcast
1:46:56
I lost 50 pounds between the last one and this one.
1:46:59
Speaker 3: That's awesome, man.
1:47:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, and last time when you had asked me about
1:47:01
movies or you asked me about cell phone, all these things,
1:47:04
every– because I was listening to it on 3XV on
1:47:06
the car right here.
1:47:07
Speaker 1: Every single thing, I was like, I don't know. I
1:47:09
don't know. I was like, one thing and one thing only.
1:47:12
I know YouTube. I know nothing else.
1:47:14
Speaker 4: I blocked everything else out of my world, which is
1:47:17
interesting because I actually think that wasn't a positive. I
1:47:20
think if I consumed more other medians and culture, it
1:47:22
would have been better inspiration. I would have been a
1:47:23
better storyteller. So I actually don't think it was a
1:47:25
good thing, which is why I've since then opened up
1:47:28
and I let more things into my mind.
1:47:30
Speaker 5: If I could push back on that, though, I think
1:47:32
it allowed you to be hyper successful because you were
1:47:35
so focused on it. that I think it really worked
1:47:38
out to your benefit.
1:47:38
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a bad thing.
1:47:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think the hours put in, yes, but
1:47:43
it's like instead of consuming four hours of YouTube a day,
1:47:46
allowing myself to occasionally watch a movie, I think I
1:47:48
would have been more tapped in and understood how to
1:47:50
tell stories.
1:47:50
Speaker 3: Well, you were younger, and that's a part of the process.
1:47:54
Speaker 6: I know.
1:47:54
Speaker 4: It's just so funny listening to that podcast because even I,
1:47:57
as myself, I watched that.
1:47:58
Speaker 1: I was on the car.
1:47:59
Speaker 3: I was like, wow.
1:48:00
Speaker 4: I like seem like borderline, like a freak on certain
1:48:03
things here. It was like, you were like, you would
1:48:05
like change the subject on certain things. And then I
1:48:07
instantly bring it back to the one thing I knew,
1:48:09
like YouTube data. And like, I could like tell that
1:48:12
I didn't even know. And I would just be like,
1:48:14
oh yeah, that thing anyways, retention. And it was just
1:48:17
so funny listening to it, but it's just, interesting, though, because,
1:48:21
you know, I'm sure you see, like, a lot of
1:48:23
your podcasts you do. Most people consume it through clips
1:48:26
on social media, right? That's, like, their exposure to it.
1:48:28
Speaker 3: Most people consume most things through clips. Yeah.
1:48:30
Speaker 1: And what's fascinating, though, is clips don't have context on
1:48:33
the time range, right? Right.
1:48:34
Speaker 4: And like, you know, so like whatever a clip from
1:48:36
the podcast we did years ago, I'll see on my
1:48:39
feed or it'll just randomly start going viral.
1:48:41
Speaker 3: One of them now.
1:48:42
Speaker 1: And like, um, and like, sometimes there'll be things that like,
1:48:45
you know, I've grown up or I don't like necessarily
1:48:47
agree with or, or whatever.
1:48:48
Speaker 4: I speak differently, but because they're not like timestamped, it's
1:48:51
like interesting because a clip from something you did years
1:48:54
ago can randomly go viral now. And people won't even
1:48:56
know that it's like years ago. And it's so fascinating
1:48:58
because they, they just like pop off and it's like,
1:49:01
More people are going to listen to this podcast through
1:49:03
like random clips, probably 10, 15 times folds than like.
1:49:07
Speaker 1: Actually going on Spotify or wherever you post it.
1:49:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably.
1:49:10
Speaker 4: And it's so interesting because that's like the new form
1:49:13
of culture, especially for younger people, is sub one minute-ish
1:49:19
vertical content that they swipe through the feed.
1:49:22
Speaker 5: But it does inspire people to listen to the whole thing.
1:49:25
And only a certain percentage of them will do that.
1:49:28
But it's like that's a thing with sporting clips. Like
1:49:32
you see the game-winning touchdown.
1:49:35
Speaker 3: You watch that. It probably gets watched more than the
1:49:38
actual full game.
1:49:39
Speaker 4: I saw a survey of like 56% of people now
1:49:41
prefer to watch a sporting event through clips as opposed
1:49:43
to like the actual thing.
1:49:44
Speaker 1: Like they'll just get it on their feed.
1:49:46
Speaker 5: I guarantee you that's the case with like the UFC
1:49:48
because I know for the UFC when they analyze the
1:49:51
performance of a show, like how many people watched it
1:49:54
on Paramount +. Versus how many people consumed it on TikTok.
1:49:59
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
1:49:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:50:01
Speaker 3: It's many, many fold.
1:50:03
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, they get hundreds of millions of
1:50:07
views on social media.
1:50:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. Of different, you know, different fights.
1:50:11
Speaker 4: I haven't watched a fight live in a while. But like,
1:50:13
you know, the White House one. I mean, I saw
1:50:16
everything on my TikTok feed. I mean, I probably saw
1:50:18
150 clips of it. So I have like a relatively
1:50:20
good grasp of what it looked like and what happened.
1:50:22
Speaker 1: But I didn't watch it live, you know.
1:50:24
Speaker 5: If you wanted to watch that one live, really you
1:50:26
should have been there. Like that was when you really
1:50:29
absorbed how bizarre it was to actually be at the
1:50:32
White House.
1:50:32
Speaker 3: It was very bizarre. The whole thing was very surreal.
1:50:36
Speaker 5: Like me and Daniel Cormier and John Anik, there were
1:50:38
so many moments like the day before the event where
1:50:41
we were rehearsing. So we're standing by the– and I
1:50:43
made a video of it where I put it on DC.
1:50:45
Speaker 3: It's like the White House. What the fuck? Like I'm
1:50:49
showing the White House. There's the cage and then the
1:50:51
White House is right there.
1:50:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the flyover and everything. Nuts. But see, that's
1:50:56
how– when I was talking about the Roman Coliseum before,
1:50:58
that's how I felt.
1:50:58
Speaker 3: Yes. But I didn't get the– Well.
1:51:00
Speaker 5: You know, they were going to do Elon Musk versus
1:51:02
Mark Zuckerberg in the Roman Coliseum. But it was going
1:51:05
to cost $ 150 million just to secure the venue and
1:51:08
set everything up.
1:51:09
Speaker 1: I mean– I could have hooked him up.
1:51:11
Speaker 3: Also, it would have been a terrible fight.
1:51:13
Speaker 1: Eli would have been destroyed. It would have just been
1:51:16
a clown show.
1:51:16
Speaker 3: He thinks he's big, and so that's going to be enough.
1:51:19
But Mark knows how to fight. Mark is, like, really
1:51:22
into it. He trains all the time. I mean, he's obsessed.
1:51:26
Speaker 5: He brought this guy that I know, Dave Camarillo, who's
1:51:29
a world-class coach, who's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, judo
1:51:33
black belt, been training him.
1:51:35
Speaker 3: Like, he's training with, like, hardcore people.
1:51:37
Speaker 1: Well, because I– I don't think he'd care if I
1:51:40
told the story.
1:51:40
Speaker 4: Like, the first time I talked to him years ago, like,
1:51:43
you know, we were just shooting the shit, chatting, and then, like,
1:51:46
at the end of it, he's like, yeah, you want
1:51:47
to come train MMA or whatever at my lake?
1:51:50
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh.
1:51:53
Speaker 4: No but i appreciate the offer but it's just like
1:51:56
instantly like that i could tell that's like his way
1:51:58
of like bonding and building friendships and like yeah he
1:52:01
just like he was being very serious like he wanted
1:52:03
to roll and i've never done that in my life
1:52:05
and i was like yeah.
1:52:06
Speaker 3: He invited me to go bow hunting with him.
1:52:08
Speaker 4: So it's definitely not fake like that was a one-on-one
1:52:10
conversation oh no no no i know you know that
1:52:13
but a lot of people think he's just like puts
1:52:14
on the facade or stuff but like oh and ironically
1:52:17
like our first time meeting he's just like yeah let's
1:52:19
hang out let's do like go roll on some mats
1:52:21
and stuff like he was being dead.
1:52:22
Speaker 5: Well the way you could tell that it's not fake
1:52:23
is watching him train because there's no way he could
1:52:27
be that good if he's not actually putting in the
1:52:28
time yeah because i want even his striking his jujitsu
1:52:32
all that stuff is like it's clear there's many hours
1:52:36
been spent working on technique to achieve this level of
1:52:39
proficiency i mean he doesn't look like a world champion
1:52:41
or anything like that but He looks like a guy
1:52:43
who's training a lot.
1:52:45
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:52:45
Speaker 5: You know, there's no way you can't be enthusiastic about
1:52:48
it and be doing that.
1:52:49
Speaker 3: So he's definitely really into it.
1:52:50
Speaker 4: Every time I listen to whenever you have a podcast
1:52:54
and you talk about the UFC and stuff like that,
1:52:55
it always makes me, like, I feel that masculine urge to, like,
1:52:58
go train and do it.
1:52:59
Speaker 3: But it's like.
1:53:02
Speaker 4: I wish I could fork my life and have one
1:53:05
where I keep going down this path of just grinding
1:53:06
18 hours a day and building all these companies. And
1:53:09
then another where I could pursue fun stuff like that.
1:53:11
Speaker 1: Because that would be fun.
1:53:13
Speaker 3: Well, how old are you, Jimmy? 28. Yeah, you're still
1:53:15
so young.
1:53:16
Speaker 5: You could just do this for another 10 years and
1:53:18
amass so much money that you could never spend it.
1:53:21
And then 10 years from now, just slack off a
1:53:24
little bit on that and just go do a bunch
1:53:26
of stuff. And not only that, you could create content
1:53:29
doing a bunch of stuff.
1:53:30
Speaker 3: Like Mr. Beast discovers the world. Like you could, you
1:53:33
could do anything, man. Yeah. I think we're so young.
1:53:36
I have so much time ahead of you.
1:53:38
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:53:39
Speaker 4: It's hard to even, I think you, you like as humans,
1:53:42
we like build the patterns and stuff. And I've been
1:53:44
working so many hours every day for so long that
1:53:46
it's like, like literally like ingrained in me that it's
1:53:49
hard to ever really imagine a world where like it
1:53:51
shuts off because you have to think like I started
1:53:52
when I was 11. So basically now all I really
1:53:55
do is just, you know, work, whether it's building companies
1:53:57
or making content. And like another 10 years from now,
1:53:59
that would be essentially 20 years straight of like training
1:54:02
my nervous system of like this is what you do
1:54:04
all day, every day, like constantly being war mode obsessed
1:54:06
with it. So it's hard to envision a world where
1:54:08
I could ever shut it off.
1:54:09
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting?
1:54:10
Speaker 5: You and I have been doing it about the same time.
1:54:13
Like we started this podcast around 17 years ago.
1:54:18
Speaker 1: Holy crap.
1:54:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be– won't it be 17 years in December?
1:54:22
I think so, right? I think in this December, it's
1:54:24
17 years. So it's basically we've been on these parallel paths.
1:54:28
Speaker 1: Which is crazy.
1:54:28
Speaker 3: You know what would be funny?
1:54:31
Speaker 4: Like envision like 17 years ago you had 11-year-old me
1:54:33
sitting here and then you sitting there and like comped
1:54:36
it to today.
1:54:36
Speaker 3: That would be amazing. That would be amazing. So what
1:54:40
are you going to do? You're going to do a
1:54:43
show on YouTube? Where did you get this idea? YouTube.
1:54:46
Does your mom know about this?
1:54:48
Speaker 1: Shouldn't you be in school? I'd be like– I was
1:54:51
such a like.
1:54:51
Speaker 3: How many hours a day do you spend waking on content?
1:54:54
Hey man, go outside, go talk.
1:54:56
Speaker 1: To a woman.
1:54:57
Speaker 4: I mean, back then too, I was so like introverted
1:55:01
and self-conscious.
1:55:01
Speaker 1: Like I probably wouldn't have said anything.
1:55:04
Speaker 4: I would have been like, you know, cause you have
1:55:06
to kind of be a little, it's, it's interesting too,
1:55:09
because it's like, very accepted to be a content creator.
1:55:12
Speaker 1: It's like, cool. People love it. It's like, even parents now, like,
1:55:15
you know, they're like, do it.
1:55:16
Speaker 4: And they realize that while being a content creator, you
1:55:18
learn a lot of different skill sets and it teaches
1:55:20
self agency, et cetera. But back then, I mean, it
1:55:22
was like, you're batshit crazy, very frowned upon. And like,
1:55:26
so it's so funny to see how that changes because like,
1:55:29
you know, it's the number one most coveted job in
1:55:31
America right now. Like if you were to go serve,
1:55:32
survey like a hundred random teenagers, a lot of them,
1:55:35
a good chunk of them would say they want to
1:55:36
be a content creator, maybe not specifically a YouTuber, but
1:55:39
Between TikTok, Instagram, influencer.
1:55:41
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's probably the number one job that kids want.
1:55:45
Speaker 1: It is, factually, yes. But when I was coming up,
1:55:49
heck no.
1:55:50
Speaker 3: It's like, what are you, a weirdo?
1:55:52
Speaker 1: That's not a job. YouTubers don't even make money. How
1:55:54
are you going to make money? You're going to be homeless.
1:55:56
And so it's so funny to see how it changes.
1:55:58
Speaker 3: Well, it's the same thing with podcasts. Back then, I
1:56:02
would tell people I'm doing a podcast, and they would
1:56:04
be sad. Like, oh, poor guy. Like, what the fuck's
1:56:07
wrong with him? He used to be on TV. Like, oh,
1:56:09
I'm having fun. Yeah, you've fallen from grace.
1:56:10
Speaker 4: And it's so interesting, too, to see, like, you know,
1:56:13
as YouTubers and stuff first started getting big, like, they
1:56:15
all used to have launch pads to jump to Hollywood.
1:56:18
And then it's, like, the ones like me who are just, like,
1:56:20
who really cares? You know, like, just stay over here
1:56:22
and focus on YouTube are the ones that are the biggest.
1:56:24
And Mike just believed in the future.
1:56:26
Speaker 5: This is the same as podcasts as well because there's
1:56:27
a lot of people that started off podcasts. And then
1:56:29
their podcast got a little bit of popularity and they
1:56:31
went and did a show somewhere.
1:56:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:56:33
Speaker 3: And it sort of stalled them out in the podcast world.
1:56:36
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:56:37
Speaker 5: Because now you're working for the man, air quotes, and
1:56:40
you're working for some studio or something like that.
1:56:42
Speaker 4: And split time and you're not as passionate and stuff.
1:56:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:56:46
Speaker 4: Well, it's something I think about too, which is a
1:56:49
message I feel like a lot of people need to
1:56:50
hear because a lot of people don't realize that– not
1:56:55
everyone can make tens of millions of dollars or maybe
1:56:57
be as successful as like you or I can, but
1:57:00
I do believe most people, if they, you know, find
1:57:02
something they like, put in a lot of hours, like
1:57:05
a ridiculous amount of hours, consume, you know, basically everything's
1:57:08
available on the internet now. Consume all knowledge available on
1:57:11
how to be good at certain thing and then, you know,
1:57:13
do a thousand iterations on it. Then they can come
1:57:15
out the other side and do it for a living.
1:57:17
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, I feel like they're,
1:57:19
but most people.
1:57:20
Speaker 4: Aren't exposed to that kind of, I mean, to be honest, rhetoric,
1:57:23
like they, they think still, you know, their parents went
1:57:25
to college, God, that's how you get a job. And
1:57:26
so a lot of people today, because obviously your parents
1:57:29
educate you and teach a lot of these things. And
1:57:30
I'm not saying college is bad, just think it's the
1:57:32
same pathway. And then they get in a lot of
1:57:33
debt and they don't fully realize that, you know, if
1:57:36
you just like, there are like, you know, certain content
1:57:39
creators that might blow up in two years. And there
1:57:41
are others like me that take 10 years and it's
1:57:42
just like a distribution chart. And, you know, probably the
1:57:45
average somewhere in the middle. And you just have to like,
1:57:47
there's no like set timeframe you can give yourself. But
1:57:49
if you're surrounded with other people obsessed with, The certain
1:57:51
thing you're obsessed over, whatever it is, you put in 10,000 hours,
1:57:54
and in those 10,000 hours, you do 1,000 iterations, and
1:57:56
you consume all knowledge available on it.
1:57:58
Speaker 1: It's like the.
1:58:00
Speaker 4: Better you do it, the further to the right, like
1:58:02
the two-year mark you'd be of being able to do
1:58:03
it for a career. But you know, it's sometimes it
1:58:06
will take longer and you just have to give yourself
1:58:08
enough time in it, but eventually you can make it happen.
1:58:10
And I think that just more young people need to
1:58:12
hear that really. Because they, they just don't even really,
1:58:15
the dots don't connect in their mind that that's really
1:58:17
even an option, right?
1:58:18
Speaker 3: Well, it's a completely new career path, right?
1:58:20
Speaker 5: And the only way that people really can get a
1:58:23
map of the territory is from someone like you, who's
1:58:26
gone through the very early days of it and They
1:58:28
could show, hey, not only is this guy successful, he's
1:58:31
fucking hyper successful. Like this is not a dream. Like
1:58:35
this is a possibility.
1:58:36
Speaker 3: You just have to figure out your version of what
1:58:38
he did. Yeah. And it's a process.
1:58:40
Speaker 1: But I would argue it's not even just for content creation.
1:58:42
Speaker 4: Like if you wanted to be an accountant or really anything,
1:58:44
it's like just put in a lot of hours, do
1:58:47
a lot of iterations.
1:58:47
Speaker 1: Surround yourself with great people and obsess over it. Stay focused.
1:58:50
Consume it.
1:58:51
Speaker 4: And then recognize like you might be like, oh, well,
1:58:53
this person did it in 10 months.
1:58:54
Speaker 1: Why is it taking me so long? It's just it's
1:58:56
average and statistics and just.
1:58:58
Speaker 4: Give yourself enough time frame and like it's hard to– again,
1:59:01
I'm not saying you'll make tens of millions of dollars.
1:59:03
But if you want to do that thing for a living,
1:59:05
if you follow those traits, like it's going to happen
1:59:09
eventually because.
1:59:10
Speaker 3: Well, you have to be process-oriented, not goal-oriented. The process
1:59:13
is getting better at stuff. The goal of being financially
1:59:16
secure comes with it eventually. But if you think– I
1:59:19
want X amount of money. Well, that's what you're going
1:59:21
to think about. You're not going to think about the
1:59:22
actual thing you're making. So it won't be as good.
1:59:24
So you'll probably never get there. Bingo. Yeah.
1:59:26
Speaker 5: And this is– one of the cool things about owning
1:59:30
a comedy club is that we've set up the club
1:59:34
so there's a real path there. Like these people understand
1:59:37
how you can become a professional. Because becoming a professional
1:59:40
when I first started was this very vague, weird thing.
1:59:45
Like no one knew how it was done. Like you
1:59:47
went to open mic nights. You did open mic nights.
1:59:49
How do I get paid?
1:59:50
Speaker 3: How do I ever be a professional?
1:59:51
Speaker 5: Someone has to ask you to go with them on
1:59:53
the road. And then you wind up getting mentored by
1:59:56
another comedian, which is nice because they usually need opening acts.
1:59:59
Speaker 3: And that's kind of how we did it. But what
2:00:00
we set up at the comedy club. We have a
2:00:02
real creative director, this guy Adam Egan, who is the
2:00:05
creative director at the Comedy Store, the talent coordinator.
2:00:07
Speaker 5: He watches all the open micers, and he finds people
2:00:11
that are good. We have two nights of open mic nights,
2:00:13
and then we have Kill Tony. So we have Kill Tony,
2:00:15
the show, which is every Monday, where these people pull
2:00:18
a random name out of a bucket and you have.
2:00:21
Speaker 3: A chance to go up.
2:00:21
Speaker 1: Phenomenal show if people don't watch it.
2:00:22
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
2:00:23
Speaker 1: It's hilarious.
2:00:23
Speaker 3: The best fucking show ever. Yeah.
2:00:25
Speaker 5: And these people get to do one minute of stand-up.
2:00:27
And if it blows up and they do well, they
2:00:30
get to come back.
2:00:31
Speaker 3: And if they get to come back, then all of
2:00:32
a sudden millions of people have seen them do stand-up.
2:00:35
And now they're selling out comedy clubs and they have
2:00:37
real careers. And some of these people are just grinding
2:00:40
it out.
2:00:40
Speaker 1: Exactly.
2:00:41
Speaker 3: You know, my friend Dedrick Flynn, he was out in
2:00:43
Atlanta doing it. And my friend Ari Matty was in
2:00:46
Estonia and he went to Australia for 10 years just grinding,
2:00:50
trying to make it in comedy. Gets on Kill Tony. Boom.
2:00:53
Now he has a career. It's incredible.
2:00:55
Speaker 4: And I don't recognize those names, but like as me,
2:00:57
it's a case study, right? if they're doing stuff in
2:00:59
Estonia or other, I'd never want to see it, but
2:01:01
if they're on Kill Tony, I'll see it.
2:01:03
Speaker 3: Exactly.
2:01:03
Speaker 4: And there are millions of people like me that we're
2:01:05
not like, we're casual comedy watchers, right? I don't, you know,
2:01:08
maybe I'll watch a Netflix special here or there and
2:01:10
I watch Kill Tony. And so like, if you don't
2:01:12
exist in one of those two things, you just don't
2:01:13
exist in my world.
2:01:14
Speaker 1: And there's so many people like me.
2:01:15
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people now like that particularly. And
2:01:19
we wanted to set up a network. We wanted to
2:01:22
set up.
2:01:22
Speaker 5: Like a real pathway where these people can, you can see, Hey,
2:01:27
Other people like Cam Patterson.
2:01:29
Speaker 3: He was a doorman at the comedy store, and now
2:01:31
he's on Saturday Night Live. Or doorman at the Mothership, rather.
2:01:34
And now he's on Saturday Night Live. He started out
2:01:36
at the Mothership. And he's working there as an employee.
2:01:39
And he's funny, and I know who he is. He's amazing.
2:01:42
Speaker 1: Because he killed Tony.
2:01:42
Speaker 3: Yes, because he killed Tony. Exactly. But there's multiple versions
2:01:46
of that now that are coming out of the club.
2:01:48
And so we wanted to set it up like that.
2:01:50
Speaker 5: So you still have to do all the work, but
2:01:53
we want to, like– Like, illuminate the pathway.
2:01:56
Speaker 3: Exactly. Like, there's a clear pathway.
2:01:57
Speaker 4: Well, because it's different skill sets, right? Like, being able
2:02:00
to get attention and get in front of people might
2:02:03
be a different skill set than being funny and being
2:02:04
able to make them laugh and, you know, the things
2:02:06
that make a great comic. And so it also makes
2:02:08
it a little straightforward for people who might be just
2:02:10
world-class cinema comics, but they don't know how to scrounge
2:02:13
up enough money to travel the world and do all
2:02:14
these things and smart enough to figure it out. And so, like,
2:02:16
handling that part, because at the end of the day, like,
2:02:19
As a viewer, I just want to watch funny people, right?
2:02:21
Speaker 5: There's also you have to be able to see other
2:02:23
people who have done it already and how they did it.
2:02:25
So because of a guy like Cam Patterson goes from
2:02:28
being a doorman at the mothership to now being on SNL,
2:02:32
people see it and they go, oh, it can be done.
2:02:34
Speaker 3: What did he do?
2:02:34
Speaker 5: Well, he kept killing every time he got on stage.
2:02:37
So that's what I got to do. I got to
2:02:38
work on my set, really grind it out. And I
2:02:41
was with this guy three years ago. And now this
2:02:44
guy is rich and he's famous. This is amazing. He
2:02:47
was poor, just like me, like literally working for, you know.
2:02:51
Speaker 1: I'm sure you pay well.
2:02:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:02:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:02:53
Speaker 5: But I mean, doing road gigs and doing whatever you can.
2:02:56
Guys are barely getting by. But that's the key. It's
2:02:58
like you got to know that it's possible. And before
2:03:02
someone like you became, you know, a real content creator, like,
2:03:06
Imagine just trying to explain to someone what your YouTube show,
2:03:10
what your goal was.
2:03:11
Speaker 3: Imagine this. Imagine 15 years ago, you sitting down with
2:03:17
someone when you're 13 years old. and trying to explain,
2:03:20
I want the show to have hundreds of millions of subscribers,
2:03:24
I want billions of hours consumed worldwide, I want it
2:03:29
to be one of the biggest shows in human history,
2:03:34
and I'm gonna do it on YouTube. They'd be like,
2:03:35
you're out of your fucking mind. Right?
2:03:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, and back then, viral videos back then were like
2:03:41
two million views, right? And so if you would've said
2:03:44
back then, I wanna get 100 million views a video,
2:03:46
I mean people would.
2:03:47
Speaker 1: Call you a lunatic.
2:03:49
Speaker 3: Delusional. Not even delusional.
2:03:51
Speaker 1: Like a certified lunatic. Like you're not even living in reality.
2:03:54
Speaker 5: But now that you've paved the path and then you've
2:03:57
shown people that it can be done, now you.
2:04:00
Speaker 1: See– Everyone has a lot more confidence to reinvest.
2:04:02
Speaker 3: It's a real career path. It's a real career path.
2:04:05
If you pursue it the way someone pursues learning how
2:04:08
to play guitar and being in a band, like do
2:04:10
it the right way. I want to be a pilot.
2:04:12
What do I have to do? I've got to go
2:04:13
to pilot school. I've got to do the work. Exactly.
2:04:15
Go through the process.
2:04:15
Speaker 4: Like factually, or I mean, I don't know if it's factually,
2:04:18
but it's like millions of people over the next 10
2:04:20
years that will, you know, find a job, you know,
2:04:23
being a creator or working for creators, right?
2:04:25
Speaker 6: I know.
2:04:25
Speaker 3: Yes.
2:04:25
Speaker 1: I mean, dozens upon dozens of creators who are hiring
2:04:27
dozens of people each. I have 150 open recs in
2:04:29
my business. I mean, they're, you know, these creators, Hundreds
2:04:32
of thousands of people are going to become creators themselves
2:04:33
full time, and those creators are going to hire millions
2:04:35
of employees over the next decade or so. So even
2:04:38
if you– which is what I see.
2:04:39
Speaker 4: A lot of people who try to become a creator
2:04:41
who end up failing, they end up being phenomenal partners
2:04:44
or employees for other creators, right? And the space is
2:04:47
growing so big, and there's just so much demand for
2:04:48
it because not everyone who did stuff in traditional Hollywood
2:04:52
acclimates as well over here. So there's just so much demand.
2:04:54
Like everyone I know just needs like five or six people.
2:04:57
So it's like it's a pretty useful thing. And it's
2:04:59
like almost like the equivalent of getting a college degree, right?
2:05:01
If you're a teenager now and you put in 5,000 hours,
2:05:03
500 iterations, you obsess over this thing, blah, blah.
2:05:06
Speaker 1: You come out the other end.
2:05:07
Speaker 4: Even if you don't make it as a YouTuber, now
2:05:09
you know how to edit.
2:05:10
Speaker 1: Now you know how to tell a story. Now you
2:05:11
have all these character traits. And, yeah, some other YouTuber
2:05:14
will pick you up in a heartbeat.
2:05:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And it's also it's this is the
2:05:17
new Hollywood. I mean, this is really.
2:05:20
Speaker 1: I mean, literally now, four of the biggest films came
2:05:23
from creators. It's like, not even like, it is like
2:05:26
a factual thing now. Some of the biggest new IPs
2:05:28
are coming out of them. It's where all the viewership
2:05:30
is going.
2:05:31
Speaker 4: I mean, when I was on this podcast last time,
2:05:32
it was probably like, whatever, 1.8 billion people use YouTube
2:05:36
every month.
2:05:36
Speaker 1: Now it's over 3 billion.
2:05:38
Speaker 3: That's nuts.
2:05:39
Speaker 1: It's growing, and it's not slowing down.
2:05:40
Speaker 4: It's growing more and more and more, which is what
2:05:42
I said would happen last time I was on here,
2:05:44
and what I still believe. I don't think these things
2:05:46
have peaked. I think they're going to keep growing, and Um,
2:05:48
you know, it's just what younger people use. They never
2:05:51
watched television, which is obvious to me and you, but,
2:05:53
you know, but to some older people who still watch,
2:05:56
you know, news and get it through there, it still
2:05:57
blows their mind that they're like, they never use cable.
2:06:00
And it's like, like a 15 year old right now,
2:06:02
outside of like, you know, watching an NBA game or
2:06:04
an NFL game has never used cable television.
2:06:06
Speaker 1: They've never even seen it. They don't like, they don't
2:06:08
even fully understand.
2:06:09
Speaker 4: Like they're like, like sometimes when I'm talking to like
2:06:12
a younger person, like, um, if I'm like trying to
2:06:15
get a gauge of what do you think of our
2:06:16
new video? Like, I'll just ask, like, have you ever
2:06:18
watched cable television to see what they say?
2:06:20
Speaker 1: And they're like, no.
2:06:21
Speaker 4: And I'll explain to them that there's, like, two to
2:06:23
three minutes of commercial breaks, kind of like when you
2:06:25
watch NBA. But instead of, like, a sporting event, it's, like, entertainment.
2:06:28
And they'll be like, why would you do that? Why
2:06:32
would you put, like, three minutes of ads every four minutes?
2:06:35
And I'm like, well, that's just how things were.
2:06:36
Speaker 1: And they're like, why?
2:06:38
Speaker 5: It's so dumb that they still do it that way.
2:06:40
It really is so dumb.
2:06:41
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
2:06:42
Speaker 5: It makes no sense. You don't have to do it
2:06:44
that way. They could probably make as much money through
2:06:47
product placement and having an ad at the beginning and
2:06:51
doing it. And you'll probably get more retention. You'll probably
2:06:53
get more views. Like no one– He's going to sit
2:06:56
and watch CBS.
2:06:57
Speaker 1: What's even crazier is you would have to pay money.
2:07:00
Speaker 4: You'd have to pay like $ 50 a month for cable
2:07:02
to then have like 33% of what you consume be ads,
2:07:05
which is a higher ratio than when you watch YouTube,
2:07:07
which is free.
2:07:08
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Wow.
2:07:10
Speaker 4: And then you wonder why people are moving in hundreds
2:07:12
of millions of droves over to this new forum.
2:07:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:07:16
Speaker 3: And then there's podcasts, which is like– how many podcasts
2:07:19
are there now?
2:07:20
Speaker 2: Oh, pfft.
2:07:21
Speaker 4: Millions, obviously, but how many successful ones? Yeah, obviously there's millions.
2:07:25
Speaker 3: But I mean the barrier to entry is the lowest.
2:07:27
Like at least what you're doing is complex.
2:07:31
Speaker 5: I mean you've created a show. You have game shows.
2:07:34
You have charity shows. You're giving away stuff. You have
2:07:36
a bunch of crazy things you guys do. You have tasks.
2:07:39
You have to plan it out. Podcasts, you're just sitting down.
2:07:43
We talked for five minutes before we started this podcast.
2:07:46
Speaker 3: We said hi. Hey, you look great. What's up? Good
2:07:47
to see you. Give me a hug.
2:07:48
Speaker 1: You gave me some caffeine to get me cracked out.
2:07:51
Speaker 3: Let's go. And that's it.
2:07:52
Speaker 5: So there's zero preparation other than the preparation that the
2:07:56
host does beforehand. But the difference between that conversation of preparation,
2:08:00
the kind of preparation involved in one of your shows
2:08:02
is fucking immense. And so the barrier to entry just
2:08:05
to be someone who's a content creator, like a podcaster,
2:08:09
is– how many podcasts are there?
2:08:11
Speaker 3: Let's guess. How many do you think there are, Jamie?
2:08:14
Active podcasts.
2:08:15
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to– How many have been uploaded this week?
2:08:19
That's what, you know.
2:08:20
Speaker 1: Active, yeah. Still posting on them.
2:08:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's say.
2:08:22
Speaker 6: Seven million or something like that.
2:08:24
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's crazy.
2:08:28
Speaker 1: I would guess two. Active, probably one million.
2:08:32
Speaker 3: Please put this. This is what I want to know.
2:08:34
Speaker 5: How many podcasts were active in 2009?
2:08:36
Speaker 3: Ooh.
2:08:37
Speaker 1: Oh.
2:08:40
Speaker 3: Let's guess that.
2:08:41
Speaker 6: Okay.
2:08:41
Speaker 1: Okay.
2:08:42
Speaker 3: Put that in our AI sponsor, Perplexity. Perplexity probably has
2:08:46
the answer to that.
2:08:46
Speaker 1: Wait, they sponsor you guys?
2:08:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:08:48
Speaker 1: Is that why you had the founder on recently? Yeah.
2:08:50
Speaker 3: Well, also because he's cool. I talked to him and
2:08:52
we started talking about ancient Hindu mythology. I was like, dude,
2:08:55
this guy would be a cool guest.
2:08:57
Speaker 1: I haven't downloaded it. I haven't listened yet.
2:08:58
Speaker 5: He's really interesting. He's a fascinating guy. We were talking
2:09:01
about these temples in India. And I've been down these
2:09:04
multiple rabbit holes about these temples that they carved out
2:09:07
of a single– 2009, there were 69,000 podcasts.
2:09:12
Speaker 3: Holy shit. But that's not active.
2:09:13
Speaker 4: That just means 69 in Apple's directory. So that means
2:09:17
roughly 70,000 people had done one at some point. But then, yeah,
2:09:20
I would wager a small percentage were actually active at
2:09:22
the time.
2:09:23
Speaker 3: Still, that's a lot. So that's when I started. Now,
2:09:26
what is it now?
2:09:27
Speaker 1: I'm curious. Now, in 2026, how many podcasts are there?
2:09:30
Speaker 3: I bet 7 million.
2:09:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, I'm going to up my guess. I'm going
2:09:36
to up mine to 10 million.
2:09:37
Speaker 3: Worldwide.
2:09:38
Speaker 1: I'm upping mine to 10.
2:09:39
Speaker 3: What does it say?
2:09:41
Speaker 5: So since 2009, there are 69,000 versus several million shows today,
2:09:45
depending on the database you look at.
2:09:47
Speaker 1: Okay.
2:09:47
Speaker 3: But what is the number, though? 4.5 to 4.7 million
2:09:51
podcast shows globally as of 2026.
2:09:53
Speaker 1: You know what I'd be curious of? How many people
2:09:57
do content creation full time?
2:09:59
Speaker 3: I'm wondering what that's a good question. Okay. Let's, let's
2:10:01
figure that out. Yeah.
2:10:02
Speaker 5: And how many people make a living? Let's guess how
2:10:05
many people make a living doing content.
2:10:07
Speaker 4: Creation in 2009 versus now I'd say 2009, maybe zero.
2:10:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:10:11
Speaker 1: Or a thousand or something.
2:10:13
Speaker 3: No, I was, I was a little kid.
2:10:15
Speaker 1: I was, I'll say 5,000.
2:10:17
Speaker 3: Okay. Maybe five. Content creation is like a very online
2:10:21
content creation. Yeah. But the problem is that's like bloggers
2:10:25
and yeah.
2:10:25
Speaker 1: Through social media.
2:10:26
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah. But 2009, social media is just coming out, right?
2:10:30
Speaker 6: Oh, true.
2:10:30
Speaker 3: You're right.
2:10:30
Speaker 1: $ 5, 000 is probably not.
2:10:31
Speaker 5: So let's just think. Let's just not even think about that.
2:10:34
Let's just think about today. How many people are professional
2:10:37
content creators today?
2:10:38
Speaker 3: Let's guess. I say 25 million.
2:10:42
Speaker 1: I would say lower, probably eight. Let's see what that is.
2:10:45
Speaker 3: Eight million? Yeah. That's probably more like it.
2:10:47
Speaker 7: The barrier to entry you're making me look up here
2:10:49
is also tough. In the U.S., like taxpayers, people who
2:10:52
are like filing.
2:10:53
Speaker 1: Or just like kids. How many people do content creation
2:10:55
full time, right?
2:10:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, just how many content creators, how many professional content
2:11:02
creators are there worldwide? Slept perplexed to try to figure
2:11:05
it out.
2:11:07
Speaker 6: I will, but I'm just like, I don't know.
2:11:10
Speaker 3: I know what it's going to do.
2:11:11
Speaker 6: What do you think it's going to do? It's going
2:11:13
to freak out and it's going to say there's a lot.
2:11:17
Speaker 3: Let's see what it says, though.
2:11:18
Speaker 6: That's going to say the same sort of thing. What
2:11:20
does professional mean?
2:11:21
Speaker 5: Okay, people that make a living. They pay their bills
2:11:25
off of content creation.
2:11:29
Speaker 3: I know.
2:11:29
Speaker 5: It's not a great question. But let's just see what
2:11:31
it says. Just out of curiosity. It might have an answer.
2:11:33
Speaker 3: How would it know, really?
2:11:35
Speaker 6: It could guess.
2:11:38
Speaker 3: Because it guessed there. 4.5 to 4.7 million.
2:11:41
Speaker 1: It's probably just going to look for any database online.
2:11:44
Speaker 5: 8 to 12 million professional content creators worldwide. Depending upon
2:11:49
how professional is defined. Roughly 200 to 300 million people
2:11:53
identify as content creators globally in 2026.
2:11:56
Speaker 3: Holy shit, man. Holy shit.
2:11:59
Speaker 1: Are they making money?
2:12:00
Speaker 3: Are they not?
2:12:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, this seems relatively like it got the gist, though.
2:12:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, it got it. It wasn't a problem, Jamie. You
2:12:06
were pessimistic.
2:12:07
Speaker 1: We don't have an answer.
2:12:10
Speaker 3: It's given us rough data.
2:12:12
Speaker 5: The rough data is 8 to 12 million professional content creators. 200,
2:12:17
300 million people identify as content creators worldwide. So out
2:12:21
of those, which kind of makes sense that, you know,
2:12:23
a small percentage of them are going to be able
2:12:25
to figure out how to make a living entirely.
2:12:26
Speaker 3: Off of it. One analyst estimates that about 4% of
2:12:29
creators are professional, meaning they treat content creation as their
2:12:34
main job and earn a full-time living. So that makes sense. Yeah.
2:12:40
That seems about right. And that's about right with kind
2:12:42
of a lot of things. Yeah. There's a bunch of
2:12:45
people that try.
2:12:46
Speaker 5: It and a small amount of people actually, like if
2:12:49
you think about how many people If you go to
2:12:51
an open mic night in stand-up comedy and how many
2:12:55
people are actively participating in open mic nights where they
2:12:59
visit one or two open mics a week and how
2:13:03
many will eventually become professional stand-up comedians and make a
2:13:06
living off of it, you're probably in the same range
2:13:08
of like 4% or something like that.
2:13:10
Speaker 3: Probably less.
2:13:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes sense. But the interesting part is that
2:13:13
number is going to keep skyrocketing year over year. I
2:13:15
don't see any signs that any of this stuff is
2:13:17
slowing down.
2:13:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:13:18
Speaker 5: Especially if people see that this is a real path.
2:13:22
This isn't a pie-in-the-sky dream.
2:13:25
Speaker 4: There's a lot of— I mean, at this point, if
2:13:27
they don't see it, then I don't know what to
2:13:29
tell you. I'm literally spending hundreds of millions of dollars
2:13:31
a year or investing hundreds of millions of dollars a
2:13:32
year into content. And so, I mean, it shows what
2:13:34
the upper bounds look like.
2:13:36
Speaker 3: Well, you're really wise in that regard is that you.
2:13:39
Speaker 5: Spend so much money dumping it back into the business.
2:13:44
And by doing that, your content is just so much
2:13:47
more advanced than anybody else's. And that's such a big
2:13:50
risk because a lot of people would say, I'm making
2:13:52
all this money.
2:13:53
Speaker 3: Who knows when this is going to end? Let me
2:13:54
squirrel this away and make sure that I've got money
2:13:57
saved up forever. You're just like, fuck it. Let's just
2:13:59
spend it. Let's go hard.
2:14:00
Speaker 4: Well, it's what I used to call the– Creators would
2:14:04
back in the day reach like 5 million subscribers. And
2:14:06
then it was a real inflection point that I would
2:14:08
notice where they'd either keep growing or that's where they'd
2:14:11
start to teeter off because it's around the time where
2:14:13
they'd start to make good money. And it's either like, okay,
2:14:15
now they have a house, they have a car paid off.
2:14:17
And like the ones that are really money motivated, they
2:14:20
kind of.
2:14:20
Speaker 1: Got that security.
2:14:21
Speaker 4: And so that burning fire that was pushing them to
2:14:24
do crazy things, like kind of started to die off.
2:14:26
And like, it's like the Fermi paradox, like for quite
2:14:29
a few people, it's around that range is where you
2:14:31
see like your favorite creators start to get lazy, upload less,
2:14:33
not put as much effort and not care as much.
2:14:35
And so, but yeah, I never really had any of that.
2:14:38
I just like, you know, I mean, like I probably
2:14:40
talked about last time we were on here, I used
2:14:41
to live in a apartment that I would share that
2:14:43
was $ 720 a month.
2:14:44
Speaker 1: So like 360 rent.
2:14:45
Speaker 4: And I drove a 2006 Dodge Durango that cost a
2:14:48
couple thousand bucks and I just didn't have any liabilities.
2:14:51
Speaker 1: So I was just like, screw it. I'll just keep
2:14:52
my lifestyle cheap so I can just reinvest it all.
2:14:55
Speaker 3: God, that's so wise.
2:14:56
Speaker 5: Most people don't do that, and most people don't have
2:14:58
the discipline to work as much as you do.
2:15:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the harder part, too, is when you have
2:15:02
the pressure of your parents and stuff. I don't know.
2:15:04
Speaker 3: I'm weird.
2:15:05
Speaker 4: When my mom would, as sad as it sounds, she
2:15:08
would literally cry sometimes and be like, man, I'm just
2:15:10
so worried you're going to lose everything. What if these
2:15:12
videos stop getting views? I don't know what would come
2:15:15
over me, but I'd be like, It'll be fine, mom.
2:15:17
Speaker 3: Don't worry.
2:15:17
Speaker 1: And I just like very calmly just say it to her.
2:15:19
I wouldn't argue with her. I'd be like, just, just
2:15:20
have faith.
2:15:21
Speaker 3: Well, you were right.
2:15:23
Speaker 6: I know.
2:15:23
Speaker 3: And we're great now, but it's up to parents. Parents
2:15:25
always worry about their kids.
2:15:26
Speaker 1: Exactly.
2:15:26
Speaker 4: So I don't think it's like, uh, she was doing
2:15:28
anything wrong by all purposes. Like she was doing the
2:15:30
right thing. It's just, uh, so you also have to
2:15:32
overcome that pressure as well. Cause there's so many forces
2:15:34
around you where even if you believe in yourself, all
2:15:36
it takes is one person, like saying something like that
2:15:39
puts self doubt in you. And then you're like, you know, um,
2:15:42
But that's where I'm a big believer. If you really
2:15:44
want it, just keep your liabilities low, like live below
2:15:46
your means. And that way it's like– it's a little
2:15:49
easier to be riskier if you aren't– have all these
2:15:51
things you got to afford because what really changes if
2:15:54
you fail?
2:15:54
Speaker 3: That's definitely smart.
2:15:56
Speaker 5: But there's something happens also to people where just the
2:15:59
constant grind of work, it diminishes their enthusiasm and they
2:16:04
lose their perspective. They lose this perspective of, God, you're
2:16:07
so fortunate to be able to do this.
2:16:09
Speaker 3: You're so fortunate. Exactly. Yeah. People just get really complacent.
2:16:15
Speaker 5: It's so easy for people to just forget how fortunate
2:16:19
they are to be able to do what they're doing.
2:16:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:16:22
Speaker 1: I'll admit it.
2:16:22
Speaker 4: Sometimes I get hit with that where, you know, it'll
2:16:25
be a late day of shooting and I'm in an
2:16:27
airport and, you know, a bunch of people are following
2:16:28
me around and filming me and I'm like, ah. You know,
2:16:31
and you get those thoughts in your head where it's like,
2:16:33
is this really the life I wanted?
2:16:34
Speaker 1: And you, like, start to, like, be like, ah. You
2:16:36
kind of regret your decisions.
2:16:37
Speaker 4: But then you've got to, like, snap out of it
2:16:38
and you're like, okay, like the small subset of time, yeah,
2:16:41
it might be brutal, but for the most part, I'm
2:16:43
doing dope stuff. Like I'm in the pyramids, I'm in
2:16:45
the Roman Coliseum, I'm doing like beautiful, amazing things. I
2:16:48
get to entertain and help people. And it's like, and
2:16:50
you just have to, I think it's very important you're
2:16:52
around people who like, if you have a group of
2:16:55
people around you who, when you get in those negative
2:16:56
thought loops, encourage it and help you spiral, then it's bad.
2:16:59
But if you have people who are, which, you know,
2:17:01
not everyone in my position has, like, people who are,
2:17:04
you know, willing to tell them how it is, right,
2:17:06
who are just like, bro, grow up.
2:17:07
Speaker 3: Like, it's fine.
2:17:08
Speaker 1: You know, this will be done in 20 minutes, and then,
2:17:10
you know, your life's pretty good.
2:17:11
Speaker 4: Like, you know, it's like a weird thing. Like, you
2:17:14
really– because, like, I've had some of those conversations with
2:17:16
people where I give them the perspective, and I can tell, like,
2:17:18
they haven't had that perspective fed to them in a
2:17:20
very long time. And you can, like, see it in
2:17:22
their eyes and be like, yeah, you're right. And it's like, yeah,
2:17:24
you really need some, like, better people around you because–
2:17:26
You feel like you're like spiraling in these like really
2:17:29
weird thoughts. But like if you look at it objectively,
2:17:31
it's not as bad as you think.
2:17:32
Speaker 5: That's the really difficult resource to acquire is being around
2:17:37
positive people, powerful people, people that really get things done
2:17:40
and people that are motivating and people that are really exciting.
2:17:43
That's because so many people have fast things. So many
2:17:47
people do just enough, just barely enough. yep you're supposed
2:17:50
to go all the way you go three quarters of
2:17:52
the way you know so many people so many people
2:17:55
just they don't they and but if you're around someone
2:17:59
who really gets after it and really is enthusiastic and
2:18:02
really is.
2:18:02
Speaker 3: Powerful and very positive Then it's contagious.
2:18:06
Speaker 1: It literally is. It's infectious.
2:18:07
Speaker 4: And it makes something mundane honestly fun too. And especially
2:18:10
if you respect each other, then it just like– it
2:18:12
really compounds. And so it's so important. Like even at
2:18:15
this stage, like I say, for newer, younger entrepreneurs or
2:18:18
people trying to be content creators or friend groups, everything,
2:18:20
even at the stage I'm at, it really is because
2:18:22
you are– like you think, speak, talk, act like the
2:18:24
people you're around. And like they say, show me the
2:18:26
five people you're around the most. I'll show you what
2:18:27
your future is. And it applies at every level.
2:18:30
Speaker 6: Yeah.
2:18:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:18:31
Speaker 5: My friend Brian Simpson has a great saying. He says,
2:18:33
you can't be your own boss and be a shitty employee.
2:18:38
Speaker 1: Wait, elaborate on that.
2:18:39
Speaker 3: So if you work for yourself, if.
2:18:41
Speaker 5: Like you're the one who's out there doing it, like,
2:18:44
so you don't work for anybody, but you also can't
2:18:46
be a fucking lazy half-ass employee. It's like, you can't
2:18:49
be both things. He goes, if you're going to be
2:18:51
your own boss, you better be a great employee.
2:18:53
Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh shit.
2:18:54
Speaker 5: Like you can't be your own boss and a shitty employee.
2:18:58
Like if you are going to work for yourself, you've
2:19:01
got to get some shit done because that's a very
2:19:03
rare position to be a person that works for themselves.
2:19:06
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do the thing you actually love to do.
2:19:08
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:19:08
Speaker 5: And I think one of the things that's really powerful
2:19:11
about this time, as opposed to any other time in history,
2:19:13
is that there's so many conversations like this, where you
2:19:17
get to hear from a guy like you who is
2:19:19
doing that. So people, young people who are listening to
2:19:22
this right now, they listen.
2:19:23
Speaker 3: To you like, fucking Mr. Beast is just getting after it, man.
2:19:27
I want to do that.
2:19:28
Speaker 5: And instead of like, hanging out with your friend and
2:19:30
just get stoned and plays call of duty all day.
2:19:33
And he's always complaining about everything in his life. And,
2:19:35
but meanwhile, he doesn't do anything. You're like, that's not
2:19:38
how I want to think and behave, but that guy is.
2:19:41
And so you get examples outside of your own personal
2:19:44
social circle, because maybe they don't know a Mr.
2:19:46
Speaker 3: Beast.
2:19:47
Speaker 5: Maybe they don't know someone who's out there doing whatever
2:19:50
they want to do with their life, but they get
2:19:51
examples of it online and they can listen to these
2:19:54
people talk and they get inspired.
2:19:56
Speaker 3: Exactly.
2:19:57
Speaker 4: And if, I would assume you have a lot of
2:19:58
parents who watch these that, you know, have kids. And
2:20:01
I would encourage the parents to, like, the last three
2:20:04
minutes of what he just said there, like, maybe play
2:20:06
that for your kids. And I can, like, go on
2:20:08
top of it to say because I agree. I don't
2:20:10
think enough young people get exposure to this kind of
2:20:12
mindset that, you know, it really is time, friend group,
2:20:16
you know, iterations on certain thing and consuming all knowledge available.
2:20:19
It's those four things and do those four things. And like,
2:20:21
you'll make it further than you can imagine. And like,
2:20:24
you know, there's outliers like you, this is what like
2:20:26
skews a lot of people's perceptions. They'll find an outlier
2:20:29
of like, well, this person became very hyper successful in
2:20:31
this thing, but they didn't do those four things.
2:20:33
Speaker 1: And there's, there's outliers everywhere.
2:20:35
Speaker 4: But if you look at statistically the average, right, the
2:20:37
person listened to this, you're not going to be this
2:20:39
one in a million freak outlier. Statistically, If you want
2:20:42
to make a good income doing something you're not currently
2:20:44
doing and you're not currently very knowledgeable in it or
2:20:46
have much experience, it's just those four things. Find those people,
2:20:49
put in the time. But it's like if you just
2:20:51
listen to every Joe Rogan podcast, you're not going to
2:20:53
be a great podcaster. So it's time plus iterations, right?
2:20:56
You would have to go do– an example of that
2:20:57
would be do 500 mock podcasts while also consuming all
2:21:00
of Joe Rogan's podcasts, right? So you're doing both while
2:21:02
also consuming all knowledge available about podcasts while also surrounding
2:21:05
yourself with other people who want to be podcasts. And then, yes,
2:21:08
this podcast might have blown up in a year, but– statistically,
2:21:10
that's not going to happen, right? You have to give
2:21:12
yourself like the average might be four or five years.
2:21:14
And some people like me take 10 years and you
2:21:16
just have to be so in love with the journey
2:21:18
that you're cool with it. You're just like, I'm just
2:21:19
going to do it till it works out. And, you know,
2:21:22
it could be as soon as this, more than likely
2:21:24
it'll be here, but there's a chance.
2:21:25
Speaker 1: It could be there.
2:21:26
Speaker 4: And if that freaks you out and then scares you,
2:21:28
then you probably don't love it enough. But if you're like, well,
2:21:31
I'll have fun while I'm doing it, then yeah, do
2:21:33
those four things over the long horizon and Again, you
2:21:36
probably won't make $ 100 million, but if you want to
2:21:38
make $ 100, 000 a year or whatever, it's not out of
2:21:41
the realm of possibility. And just those sentences alone, for
2:21:44
a young person, when they hear it, it opens like
2:21:46
a third eye in their mind where they've just been
2:21:47
told their whole life, go to college, get a job.
2:21:50
Speaker 1: This doesn't even exist to them.
2:21:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:21:53
Speaker 5: Again, it's like you have to be concerned about the
2:21:55
process and doing a thing that you love to do
2:21:57
and trying to get better at it. And it's like–
2:22:02
Let's say you want a million dollars. Well, you could
2:22:05
win the lottery. You might win the lottery, but the
2:22:08
odds are very low. Or you could find a bunch
2:22:10
of people that work really hard, and what do they do? Well,
2:22:12
they just kept working hard, and they figured out what
2:22:14
it is they do, and they made money. That's probably
2:22:17
more likely. So just go in the general direction, and
2:22:20
who knows? Along the way, you might hit it quick.
2:22:23
Something might happen really quick, or you might figure something out,
2:22:25
and you might be an outlier. But the point is
2:22:28
the process is available. And the process is available to anybody.
2:22:31
You just keep doing something. You'll get better at it.
2:22:34
Speaker 3: Be objective. Be self-analytical. Recognize what you're doing wrong and
2:22:38
what you're doing right and get better at it and
2:22:40
constantly try to improve. And just because something doesn't exist as.
2:22:47
Speaker 5: What is your occupation in a form– From 2001. It
2:22:52
doesn't mean it's not a real job. Just because you
2:22:55
can't tell people– if I told people at a cocktail
2:22:57
party in 2009 that, oh, I'm a podcaster, that means zero.
2:23:02
You tell them today, they go, oh, amazing. How long
2:23:05
have you been doing that? It's a job now, right?
2:23:07
So how did it become a job? A job because
2:23:09
people figured out how to make it a job and
2:23:11
they did it and it worked.
2:23:12
Speaker 3: And so there's a process.
2:23:13
Speaker 5: So that process exists with virtually anything you want to
2:23:16
do that somebody does for a living. I don't care
2:23:18
if it's a rock and roll star, stand-up comedian, novelist.
2:23:21
There's a thing out there that you want to do
2:23:24
that someone is making a living. But meanwhile, there's going
2:23:26
to be people who are like, oh, the odds of
2:23:28
you making it and that. Like, okay, is that what
2:23:30
we're doing? Are we just fucking playing odds? The odds
2:23:33
of you dying are 100%.
2:23:34
Speaker 1: Once you adopt this mindset, though, then the naysayers go
2:23:39
from being– uh, brutal to actually being good because now
2:23:44
the naysayers are what stop other people from doing the
2:23:47
thing you're doing, which actually increases your odds.
2:23:49
Speaker 3: Right.
2:23:49
Speaker 4: So once you get over the hump where, you know,
2:23:52
you reach a certain point where, you know, someone, as
2:23:54
you're going on the climb, like where someone going, this
2:23:56
is stupid, this is unrealistic or whatever, where you just like,
2:23:58
it starts to feel like it goes from like something
2:24:00
that makes you nervous and keeps you up at night
2:24:02
to like, you don't even really care anymore because you've
2:24:04
just heard it so many times. And then it's like,
2:24:06
but there are people who hear it and they quit.
2:24:07
And so it's technically a benefit for you. So I
2:24:09
like to always, Not always, but on a lot of
2:24:11
things I like to try to spin it as like
2:24:13
a positive too. Like this thing that's annoying, well, what's
2:24:15
the positive side of it? And the positive is technically
2:24:18
it will make less people do the thing you're doing,
2:24:19
which makes it easier for you.
2:24:21
Speaker 5: I guess it does, but I don't ever think that way.
2:24:24
I just think if someone can do it, you can
2:24:26
do it. And the problem is you have to make
2:24:29
sure that you're not spending too much time doing it
2:24:31
the wrong way. And so that's where it helps that someone's.
2:24:35
Speaker 3: Already paved the path. Oh, yeah.
2:24:37
Speaker 1: I mean if you could get a mentor.
2:24:38
Speaker 3: Here's the real question. So 2009, content creators, there's fucking
2:24:42
very few of them, right? What are we missing?
2:24:45
Speaker 5: Like what is going to be a job that no
2:24:49
one sees coming that's going to be like a content
2:24:52
creator or a YouTube creator 10, 15 years from now?
2:24:55
Speaker 3: You know? Gosh.
2:24:57
Speaker 1: I mean it would have to be something with AI
2:24:58
that you couldn't even see now.
2:25:00
Speaker 3: So what could it even be?
2:25:02
Speaker 5: Like what would it be that people are missing that
2:25:04
other people are going to.
2:25:07
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Speaker 5: Like, nobody even thought OnlyFans would be a possibility, that
2:25:14
there'd be a large amount of girls that just show
2:25:16
their naked body for a living.
2:25:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:25:20
Speaker 3: I mean, and not even for a living. Like, most
2:25:22
of them don't even get paid very much, but a
2:25:23
lot of them have OnlyFans pages. Some crazy number.
2:25:27
Speaker 5: It's like 10% of girls 18 to whatever have OnlyFans.
2:25:31
Speaker 1: Is that in the U.S.? Yeah. Wow.
2:25:33
Speaker 3: It's a nutty number.
2:25:34
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
2:25:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. And an enormous number of people subscribe. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think it's like literally half of American males have
2:25:43
at one point in time subscribed to OnlyFans.
2:25:46
Speaker 1: That can't be real.
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Speaker 3: That's– I think it's like 150 million.
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Speaker 1: Holy crap.
2:25:50
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's crazy. I think the numbers are
2:25:53
crazy high.
2:25:54
Speaker 4: I mean– I mean, where my head's going, if we're
2:25:57
trying to predict the future, maybe it would be, like,
2:25:59
AI filmmakers or, like, something like that.
2:26:01
Speaker 3: But I don't even know. But, I mean, what are
2:26:03
you doing there?
2:26:03
Speaker 1: You're doing prompts and making things.
2:26:06
Speaker 3: Like, yeah. It's lame. But what are we missing? Because
2:26:09
the YouTube thing, nobody saw that coming.
2:26:11
Speaker 6: Yeah.
2:26:11
Speaker 3: The podcast thing, nobody saw that coming either.
2:26:13
Speaker 6: OnlyFans stuff's not new, though. It's just changed the money.
2:26:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just from ads to subscription.
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Speaker 3: Playboy.
2:26:20
Speaker 5: But also, he centralized it in, like, where... Playboy was
2:26:25
always a thing where you had to get picked by Playboy.
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You know, now all you have to do is just
2:26:29
take a photo of your box and.
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Speaker 6: There's always the local.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, but it's not centralized like OnlyFans is
2:26:39
where you go there and there's like thousands and.
2:26:41
Speaker 3: I don't know how many more than that content creators,
2:26:44
you know? Yeah, I don't know.
2:26:46
Speaker 1: Time will tell.
2:26:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, time will tell. But it's just such a fascinating
2:26:51
world that we live in where.
2:26:54
Speaker 5: The number one most watched show in the world is yours.
2:26:59
Like you have the number one– well, if it's on YouTube,
2:27:02
then it's the number one most watched show, period.
2:27:04
Speaker 3: Yeah. In the known universe. Well, right now– You're the
2:27:07
most watched person in the known universe.
2:27:09
Speaker 4: I opened it up on the way in because I
2:27:10
figured we'd talk about the size of the show. In
2:27:13
the last 90 days on just our main channel– It's
2:27:15
like around 850 million unique people have watched a video
2:27:18
in the last quarter.
2:27:19
Speaker 3: That's so crazy.
2:27:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're doing around 4 billion.
2:27:22
Speaker 3: Views a month. 850 million people is so crazy.
2:27:27
Speaker 4: Unique too, because we did around 12 billion views in
2:27:30
the last 90 days on just the main channel. And
2:27:33
of those 12 billion views, like whatever, 8% of them
2:27:35
are different humans. So it's like factually like 850 million.
2:27:38
Like when I say that, people are like, Oh, that's
2:27:40
850 million views. So like, you know, 80 million, but no,
2:27:43
it's 12 billion views, 850 million unique. So it's just like,
2:27:47
it's crazy, man. And it's like, what's fascinating is you
2:27:50
like 10 years ago, like even with cable or whatever,
2:27:52
20 years ago, 850 million people didn't use the same platform, right?
2:27:56
It's like, You wouldn't have even been able to reach
2:27:58
that many people, even if you were the.
2:27:59
Speaker 1: Biggest in anything.
2:28:00
Speaker 4: It's like a very interesting time where essentially as internet
2:28:04
usage grows worldwide outside of China, so does YouTube usage.
2:28:08
Because if you Google something, YouTube pops up. Or now
2:28:10
if you're Jim Nye-ing something, they'll eventually have YouTube. Or
2:28:13
if you buy an Android phone, which most phones have
2:28:15
their operating system, YouTube's there. So everyone just, as you
2:28:18
use the internet, you end up on YouTube. And so
2:28:20
that's why, even though it's, whatever, theoretically 3.2 billion monthly
2:28:23
active users, I would be shocked if they didn't hit
2:28:26
$ 4 billion in a couple years and keep growing. It
2:28:28
shows no signs of stopping as the internet's growing. And
2:28:30
so it's like to be number one on this platform
2:28:33
that is basically mirrored to the internet, it's crazy. It's
2:28:38
a really wild opportunity.
2:28:41
Speaker 5: And because it's a platform where anyone can upload, the
2:28:45
variety of content is extraordinary. Because there's no gatekeepers, like
2:28:50
a lot of it's trash and nonsense, but there's so
2:28:54
many gatekeepers. interesting shows. There's so many interesting shows on science,
2:28:59
on cosmology, on history, on fill in the blank. There's
2:29:03
so many people that just have a passion for a
2:29:06
certain thing and they made a channel.
2:29:08
Speaker 3: And now that channel all of a sudden has millions.
2:29:10
Speaker 4: Our pages are very similar probably. I have so many
2:29:12
like old history videos where it's like some old guy
2:29:14
that's just breaking down.
2:29:15
Speaker 1: World War II battle scenes or whatever. Agreed.
2:29:18
Speaker 4: And like they go as niche as possible down to
2:29:20
like this is like the most, you know, largest fights
2:29:23
in history and like a ranking of like the top
2:29:25
ten deadliest fights.
2:29:27
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I would say like a third of my
2:29:28
homepage is like just history videos.
2:29:31
Speaker 3: What does this say here?
2:29:33
Speaker 5: YouTube uploads, users upload roughly 500 hours of video every minute.
2:29:39
Speaker 4: Okay, not to be that guy. That's very outdated, I believe.
2:29:44
Speaker 1: Or actually, no, no.
2:29:46
Speaker 3: Sorry.
2:29:46
Speaker 1: So people watch a billion hours a day on YouTube,
2:29:49
I believe. So this is uploaded. Never mind.
2:29:51
Speaker 3: This might be accurate.
2:29:52
Speaker 5: So 500 hours of video every minute, 30,000 hours per
2:29:56
hour uploaded, 720,000 hours are uploaded per day. Watching just
2:30:03
one day's new uploads would take over 82 years.
2:30:07
Speaker 3: Day. Whoa.
2:30:11
Speaker 1: YouTube. Well, this is the 20 million videos uploaded a day.
2:30:15
That's quoting. That was probably before shorts.
2:30:17
Speaker 4: I bet you now that so many people are posting shorts,
2:30:21
it's probably like way higher now.
2:30:23
Speaker 3: That's nuts.
2:30:26
Speaker 5: But I mean, what we're talking about, like having a
2:30:30
platform like that where anybody can upload anything. It just
2:30:33
makes the variety so intense. Like there's anything you want
2:30:38
to watch, any video you want to watch on nature,
2:30:41
any video you want to watch on– you have a
2:30:43
question about science, just put it in there. And there's
2:30:46
some guy who's got a fucking one-and-a-half-hour lecture on it.
2:30:48
Speaker 3: Exactly. It's nuts. And that's the beauty.
2:30:51
Speaker 4: To tie everything together like a bow, that's why you
2:30:54
can learn anything and you can do anything you want
2:30:56
for a living for the most part if you allocate
2:30:57
the time because it's all there. There's literally on YouTube
2:31:00
Harvard classes that are recorded. The same thing you would
2:31:03
go into crippling debt to attend is literally there for free, right?
2:31:07
Speaker 1: It's all there.
2:31:08
Speaker 4: All knowledge is available there. And if you, you know,
2:31:10
it's not easy, right? No one's laying out like how
2:31:13
you're doing at the mothership. Here's A to Z on
2:31:15
how you could become a Cam Patterson. It's not necessarily there,
2:31:18
which is why it's hard, but you can, all the
2:31:20
ingredients are there. You just have to go collect it,
2:31:21
put them together and put in the work to get
2:31:23
A to Z, Z being, you know, the career you
2:31:25
want to do.
2:31:26
Speaker 1: Um, it's cause all the knowledge is there ever.
2:31:28
Speaker 4: Like even I've literally gone on podcasts countless times and
2:31:31
said everything I know about YouTube with no gatekeeping whatsoever.
2:31:35
Speaker 1: I've literally had people, where was it? I was in
2:31:37
some gym.
2:31:37
Speaker 4: This, uh, I think it was in LA or whatever
2:31:40
in between shoots, just working out. And a guy literally
2:31:42
came up to me and I have no idea who
2:31:44
he is, but he's like, I have 3 million subscribers
2:31:46
on YouTube. I started like 18 months ago and I
2:31:49
just listened to one of your podcasts and I just
2:31:51
did like exactly what you said. And I got a
2:31:53
friend group. I started obsessing over it. And, you know,
2:31:56
and I did like these analytical things and I just
2:31:58
like quit my job a couple months ago. And I
2:32:00
was like, no shot. This is like a coincidence. You
2:32:02
were like, you're like tracking me or anything.
2:32:03
Speaker 3: He's like, no.
2:32:04
Speaker 1: And he's in gym clothes, sweaty. He's like, I was
2:32:06
just running on the treadmill.
2:32:07
Speaker 4: And I just wanted to tell you that, like, I
2:32:08
literally just quit my job and I'm making more money
2:32:11
because I just listened to one of your podcasts.
2:32:12
Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa.
2:32:13
Speaker 3: And it was, it was crazy.
2:32:15
Speaker 1: But I've had experiences like.
2:32:16
Speaker 4: That countless times where like these, these things, which is
2:32:19
why I'm so passionate about sharing it, like opens people's minds.
2:32:21
And he's like, yeah, I just, I didn't realize that
2:32:23
was a possibility in life.
2:32:25
Speaker 5: Well, that's– you're coming from life with a perspective of feast,
2:32:32
not famine. And that's the good thing about it, that
2:32:35
there's enough opportunity for everybody.
2:32:37
Speaker 4: And I have a contrarian view on that because a
2:32:39
lot of creators do see other creators as competitors. But
2:32:41
I've always been like– If someone's doing well, I don't
2:32:45
get threatened.
2:32:46
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, let's just film together. Collaborators, not competitors.
2:32:49
There's literally trillions of views going around.
2:32:52
Speaker 4: If you think this person getting an extra, even if
2:32:54
they crush a billion views a year, has any impact
2:32:57
on me, you're crazy.
2:32:58
Speaker 1: It has no impact.
2:33:00
Speaker 4: People are sometimes spending four or five hours a day
2:33:03
consuming content. They watch their little 20-minute video that they
2:33:07
upload every two weeks.
2:33:08
Speaker 1: No impact whatsoever.
2:33:09
Speaker 4: And so I think it– and I was really the
2:33:11
first person to kind of adopt that mindset, and more
2:33:14
people are doing it now. But, yeah, that's why I
2:33:16
go and share everything, like literally to a T. And, like,
2:33:18
I'll help people make– you know, some people end up
2:33:20
making millions of dollars that I've helped mentor.
2:33:22
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, yeah, it's just fun. You know,
2:33:24
because they always ask me, like, why are you doing it?
2:33:25
I'm like, why not?
2:33:26
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
2:33:26
Speaker 1: What's the downside?
2:33:27
Speaker 3: It's only positive. It's an abundance mindset.
2:33:29
Speaker 5: And that– I think the internet encourages that, fortunately, because
2:33:34
television is the opposite of that. So television, the problem
2:33:37
was there was only a certain amount of slots. So
2:33:39
if the Mr. Beast show was on NBC and then
2:33:41
there was another guy who was on CBS, he might
2:33:43
also be at 8 p.m.
2:33:44
Speaker 3: On Wednesdays. You're like, fuck that guy. Yeah, true.
2:33:46
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give him my secrets.
2:33:47
Speaker 3: Yes, you would never.
2:33:49
Speaker 5: But because the fact that YouTube is available literally to
2:33:52
anybody and the amount of people that are viewing it
2:33:54
is so immense. It's an abundance and you treat it
2:33:57
like that and it actually just makes you grow.
2:33:59
Speaker 3: Exactly. It's awesome.
2:34:00
Speaker 4: It's also if you share with people, they'll share with you.
2:34:02
And there's no one who will at this point in
2:34:04
my career, you know, be able to go tell me
2:34:06
something that will make me 10% better. But there are
2:34:08
infinite amounts of people that can make me a better
2:34:10
storyteller or better, you know, at like, you know, leader
2:34:13
or better communicator or better at set design. And it's
2:34:15
like it's more about grabbing those 0.1% here and there and.
2:34:18
Speaker 1: Like adding them together.
2:34:19
Speaker 4: And so like, you know, sometimes I'll give someone something that,
2:34:22
you know, might fundamentally change everything for them. But then
2:34:24
they'll teach me something very small and I'm like, oh,
2:34:26
that's actually very useful. And if I retain it, I
2:34:28
can see how, you know, that'd be really cool on
2:34:30
like on the set design on how we could do
2:34:32
a background or like, hey, after X amount of feet,
2:34:35
you don't need as much detail. So now we can
2:34:36
put more time into like the detailed stuff up front. But,
2:34:39
you know, and sometimes it's being too particular and things
2:34:41
really far. Like it's all these little things that you
2:34:42
just accumulate over being around different people.
2:34:44
Speaker 1: With different expertise.
2:34:45
Speaker 4: And you just have to like, yeah, you just have
2:34:47
to like, some people don't see the value in that
2:34:50
kind of stuff, but you get in. learn anything or
2:34:52
you can learn something from almost anyone. And I do
2:34:55
believe that because everyone has like different things and different
2:34:58
experiences and stuff like that, especially as a content creator,
2:35:00
because you're also making content for millions of people.
2:35:03
Speaker 1: So even just learning, you know, what a normal person
2:35:05
is going through.
2:35:06
Speaker 4: Or what their life is like is helpful for being
2:35:08
able to relate with them and through the content or
2:35:10
make something.
2:35:10
Speaker 1: That is interesting to them.
2:35:11
Speaker 4: So if you approach people like that, where it's like,
2:35:14
I can learn something from you, no matter who it is.
2:35:15
Speaker 1: It's also, I feel like not many people take that
2:35:18
approach either.
2:35:19
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, dude.
2:35:20
Speaker 5: I think your approach is very valuable for a lot
2:35:24
of people to hear and very valuable for young people
2:35:27
to hear because if they just follow those principles and
2:35:31
just follow your passion and really be disciplined and focused,
2:35:34
you could do a lot of things in this life.
2:35:36
Speaker 1: Exactly.
2:35:36
Speaker 3: You could be like Jimmy. You could.
2:35:38
Speaker 1: Probably not. Statistically not.
2:35:39
Speaker 3: Statistically not.
2:35:41
Speaker 1: Could you be a person with a couple less zeros
2:35:43
on all the numbers?
2:35:43
Speaker 3: Of course.
2:35:44
Speaker 6: Yeah.
2:35:44
Speaker 5: And also just be enjoying your life because you're doing
2:35:47
something you want.
2:35:48
Speaker 3: You're actually creating something. Yeah.
2:35:49
Speaker 5: And something you'd be proud of and something that people enjoy.
2:35:52
And that makes you feel good, that people are enjoying
2:35:54
your work.
2:35:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:35:55
Speaker 4: And speaking of something you're proud of. Since the last
2:35:58
time I was on here, a big thing I've been
2:35:59
working on is are you aware of how many kids
2:36:02
are like working illegal child labor on cacao farms? I
2:36:04
think last time I was on here, we talked about
2:36:06
how I sell chocolate.
2:36:07
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.
2:36:08
Speaker 4: Do you know that there's over a million kids that
2:36:10
work in illegal child labor on cacao farms?
2:36:12
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah. Where?
2:36:14
Speaker 1: In West Africa.
2:36:14
Speaker 4: So Cote d'Ivoire in Ghana, which is where like majority
2:36:17
of the world's cacao comes from. There's rampant child labor.
2:36:20
You can ask perplexity. I'd love for you to pull
2:36:22
up data so we could see it that I'm not
2:36:23
just making it up. And when, um, I think when
2:36:25
I last came on here, it was right after I
2:36:27
started a chocolate company and I had no idea like
2:36:29
how bad it was. And the last few years I've
2:36:31
been trying to figure out how we can build our
2:36:33
own supply chain where we can actually get kids out
2:36:35
of illegal child labor. And there's, it's like, really, I
2:36:38
don't know if you're interested in it, but it's like
2:36:39
a lot of stuff I'd love to share on that.
2:36:41
Speaker 3: No, that's very cool.
2:36:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:36:42
Speaker 4: So, um, basically if it just asks perplexity, how many
2:36:46
kids work in child labor in West Africa and cacao farms?
2:36:49
Speaker 1: Uh, and, uh, Right here.
2:36:51
Speaker 4: 1.5 to 1.8 million people or children.
2:36:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:36:56
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. And I had no idea. And it's
2:36:59
been like this for decades.
2:37:01
Speaker 4: So it's so normalized in the chocolate industry that when
2:37:04
I would talk to other people who work at chocolate
2:37:06
companies or execs, they're just like, Yeah, it just kind
2:37:08
of is what it is.
2:37:08
Speaker 1: That's how it works.
2:37:09
Speaker 3: So that's just how they get their chocolate, period. Yeah.
2:37:12
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not all the labor.
2:37:13
Speaker 4: It's around, whatever, 46% of the labor. So if you
2:37:16
were to work with– how it works is like there's
2:37:19
well over a million farms in those areas, and you
2:37:21
don't buy from farms because they have no leverage.
2:37:23
Speaker 1: So farms form cooperatives.
2:37:25
Speaker 4: So like these hundred farms will gather, aggregate their beans
2:37:27
so they have a little leverage, and they'll sell it
2:37:28
to you.
2:37:29
Speaker 1: So you buy it from a cooperative.
2:37:30
Speaker 4: And statistically, you know, 46% of those farms will have
2:37:33
child labor. Some won't, some will. And so you're, you're
2:37:35
buying at a cooperative level. And so when I went
2:37:38
to all the biggest distributors and everyone, you know, that
2:37:40
does all the sourcing for cacao and I was like,
2:37:42
so is there any way I can pay a premium
2:37:44
and not have little kids work on my farms? And, uh,
2:37:48
it literally didn't exist. I was just so mind blown.
2:37:50
And it really was frustrating because it's not even did
2:37:54
it not exist. No one really seemed to even think
2:37:57
it needed to exist.
2:37:58
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys, these are kids.
2:38:00
Speaker 4: You have no issue making billions of dollars in profit
2:38:03
on little kids working on the farms.
2:38:04
Speaker 1: It was like a very weird... That's crazy.
2:38:08
Speaker 3: So that's most chocolate?
2:38:10
Speaker 1: Well, majority of the world's cacao, as you saw, comes
2:38:12
from West Africa.
2:38:13
Speaker 3: Holy shit, man. Yeah, I know.
2:38:15
Speaker 4: And so that's what I mean. I'm thousands of hours
2:38:17
deep into this. And so I met a different company
2:38:20
called Tony's Chocolony, who is like a reporter who started
2:38:23
talking about this.
2:38:24
Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
2:38:25
Speaker 3: His name is Chocolony? Tony.
2:38:27
Speaker 1: But the chocolate brand is Tony's Chocolony.
2:38:29
Speaker 4: They did ethical sourcing. And I spent a lot of
2:38:31
time learning from them. And like I've just been on
2:38:33
this journey with Feastables is how can we ethically source,
2:38:36
you know, Feastables cacao? And so we actually this is
2:38:38
a fun thing I've never said publicly. So we we
2:38:42
started doing working with certain farms. But then I started
2:38:44
around seven months ago, a big case study where we
2:38:47
went to five villages that the average child labor there
2:38:50
was like 45 percent. So 45 percent of the labor
2:38:53
on the farms in these villages was illegal child labor there.
2:38:55
And we went on the doors and we collected every
2:38:58
single data point. We knocked on every door. There's around 10,000
2:39:01
people that live in those five communities. We knew everything
2:39:03
from the child labor rates to school attendance to everything.
2:39:06
And then throughout the last few years, we've just been
2:39:08
collecting tons of data on why kids work in child labor,
2:39:10
how you get kids out of child labor, which most
2:39:12
of it comes back to poverty. Big chocolate pays farmers
2:39:14
so little that they just can't afford to not use children.
2:39:18
So part of it is there's this thing called a
2:39:20
living income reference price. which looks at the cost to
2:39:23
actually live there. So we guarantee 100% of our farmers
2:39:26
that we'll pay a living income reference price. And then
2:39:28
we work with Fair Trade, which the cooperatives I was
2:39:31
explaining to you, sometimes they're not democratically elected, right? So
2:39:33
you can pay more money, but if the cooperative is
2:39:35
like someone skimming off money or taking it, it doesn't
2:39:38
flow through to the farmers.
2:39:39
Speaker 1: So we go through, we make sure, it's complicated.
2:39:42
Speaker 4: It's like, I thought this would be an easier problem
2:39:43
to solve. This is a multi-year journey for me. But
2:39:45
we go to the cooperatives, which again is just a
2:39:47
collection of farms that pool their cacao so they have
2:39:49
more leverage, so you can't take advantage of them. And
2:39:51
we make sure through Fairtrade that they're democratically elected cooperatives
2:39:55
so the farmers actually get the money. We pay a
2:39:57
living income reference price. And in exchange for doing those things,
2:40:00
they have to let us audit and remediate the child
2:40:02
labor on the farms. And so in this five village
2:40:05
case study that we did, there's around 10,000 people living
2:40:08
in there. And about seven months ago, there's around 550
2:40:13
kids that were in illegal child labor in those communities.
2:40:15
And so then we started taking over sourcing from there.
2:40:18
So we started doing our sourcing principles and paying the
2:40:20
Farmers Living Income Reference Prize. fair trade came in, come in,
2:40:23
started paying the premium. And now seven months later, uh,
2:40:26
we just got the initial results after we did our,
2:40:29
our check-ins and, and some of the communities, we were
2:40:31
getting so many kids out of child labor. There literally
2:40:33
wasn't a school because kids just worked on the farm.
2:40:35
So like some of these, we literally built a school
2:40:37
so they could go to school. Cause the goal isn't
2:40:38
just to get the kids out of child labor. It's
2:40:40
also to get them an education. So they're not, you know,
2:40:42
because if you grow up only working on a cacao farm,
2:40:45
you have no education. So then you're basically doomed to
2:40:47
working on it your whole life, you know, cause you don't,
2:40:49
you don't know anything else.
2:40:50
Speaker 1: Right.
2:40:51
Speaker 4: Um, And so we just did our recent wave of
2:40:53
check-ins where we knocked on all the doors, checked school
2:40:55
attendance and everything. And so seven months ago, it was
2:40:58
550 kids-ish roughly in illegal child labor. What do you
2:41:01
think it was now, basically six, seven months later?
2:41:03
Speaker 3: I don't know. How many?
2:41:05
Speaker 4: We were able to get a 90% reduction and get
2:41:07
it to where there's only like around 50 still in
2:41:09
child labor with our first check-in. And now we constitute
2:41:13
a kid remediate out of child labor with two check-ins.
2:41:15
Speaker 1: So that was just the first one.
2:41:17
Speaker 4: So technically by our books, they wouldn't be fully remediated because,
2:41:19
you know, there might've been an accident or whatever. So
2:41:21
we like to double check it to make sure things
2:41:22
are accurate. So we'll do another check-in in the future.
2:41:24
So they're not technically officially remediated, but it just shows
2:41:27
that like, it's possible to reduce the child labor in
2:41:30
these areas, like dramatically, right? Like if you were to
2:41:33
apply the things we did there, but macroly across the
2:41:35
whole country, I mean, you're talking, you could get swarms
2:41:37
of hundreds of thousands of kids out of illegal child labor.
2:41:39
And so my, the big way I've been doing or
2:41:42
been on is like, step one is have to prove
2:41:44
it's possible. So then we can start, um, Most people
2:41:48
like you, they just have no idea that there's this
2:41:50
much rampant child labor in chocolate.
2:41:51
Speaker 3: I had no idea until you brought it up. I know,
2:41:53
which is crazy.
2:41:55
Speaker 4: It honestly really frustrates me because no one has any idea.
2:41:58
Speaker 1: Everyone's just kind of cool with it.
2:42:00
Speaker 4: I think part of the problem, too, is if you
2:42:01
were to Google it, they use confusing language where they're like, yeah,
2:42:04
this is our ethical sourcing strategy. But at the end
2:42:06
of the day, obviously— Most cows go into Big Chocolate,
2:42:10
and they can say they're doing all these things, but
2:42:12
factually there's all these kids in illegal child labor.
2:42:14
Speaker 5: So it's like, I mean— And no one's put in
2:42:16
the effort that you're doing when you just said that.
2:42:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so— That's amazing, man.
2:42:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, that's what I'm really excited about.
2:42:22
Speaker 4: And I just wanted to mention it, A, because obviously
2:42:24
you're the biggest podcast in the world, and I just
2:42:25
want to educate people on it that it's fucking crazy
2:42:28
when you're buying chocolate. And B, I'm really excited, though,
2:42:31
with what we're doing because we're essentially, with Feastables, building
2:42:34
one of the most effective— like systems for getting kids
2:42:37
out of illegal child labor in the world. Like by
2:42:39
the more cacao we're sourcing, the more we're able to
2:42:41
pay a living income reference price and then audit the
2:42:42
farms and then get the kids into schools. And it's like,
2:42:44
it's pretty interesting. Like with that village, you know, right now,
2:42:48
you know, it went, it was a 90% reduction. It
2:42:50
went from over 500 kids in illegal child labor down
2:42:52
to 50. And obviously we're not done. We're going to
2:42:53
keep over time trying to get those 50.
2:42:55
Speaker 1: Out of child labor.
2:42:55
Speaker 4: But now imagine that if we can keep sourcing more
2:42:58
cacao as we keep growing and we could keep getting
2:43:00
more and more kids out of illegal child labor. And
2:43:01
then eventually, because, you know, I have over a billion
2:43:03
followers across all my platforms, I can show these case
2:43:06
studies and then just like berate big chocolate into switching
2:43:09
over because they make billions of dollars a year in profit.
2:43:11
They don't have to use child labor. And I think
2:43:14
step one is showing that it's actually possible to not
2:43:16
use it because right now technically there's not really a
2:43:19
way you could like– I think.
2:43:20
Speaker 5: What's really important is getting people to understand that that's happening.
2:43:24
Speaker 3: Exactly.
2:43:24
Speaker 5: And you talking about it right now, now people will
2:43:26
be aware of it because I think the vast majority
2:43:29
of people, me included, were not aware.
2:43:31
Speaker 3: I know. So then they hear it. They go, wait,
2:43:33
hold on. What about this company that I'm buying chocolate from?
2:43:36
Are they using child labor and then.
2:43:39
Speaker 4: And technically I can never– like Feastables, I can't say
2:43:42
it's child labor-free because it's not like I have security
2:43:44
cameras on the farm.
2:43:45
Speaker 1: A kid could just walk on it and then.
2:43:47
Speaker 3: Well, he lied, right?
2:43:48
Speaker 1: So I'll never be able to say that.
2:43:49
Speaker 4: But you're making– We're doing everything we can to make
2:43:51
it as ethically sourced as possible, and that's why I'm
2:43:53
doing these case studies where I can literally factually show
2:43:55
like people knocking on the doors, show like without a–
2:43:58
Because obviously I know as I start to talk about
2:44:00
this more, there's no doubt in my mind they're going
2:44:02
to sue me because obviously Big Chocolate doesn't like the
2:44:04
idea that people are learning that there's so many kids
2:44:06
in illegal child labor. And because my microphone is so big,
2:44:09
they're going to want.
2:44:09
Speaker 1: Me to be quiet.
2:44:10
Speaker 4: But in a perfect world, they'd hear these messages and
2:44:13
they would have a soul and be like, you're right.
2:44:16
We shouldn't make billions of dollars in profit off the
2:44:17
back of little kids. Let's just put a little bit
2:44:19
of the money towards getting the kids into school and
2:44:22
putting people that aren't kids on the farms. And so
2:44:25
ideally– That's what comes of it. We'll see in the
2:44:27
long run. But right now I'm just really focused on
2:44:29
building these case studies and really showing like in depth
2:44:32
exactly how they could do it. So then hopefully they
2:44:35
just come around to, you know, give them the avenue
2:44:37
to go, oh, we just didn't know.
2:44:38
Speaker 1: This is cool.
2:44:39
Speaker 3: Cool.
2:44:39
Speaker 1: We'll start doing it.
2:44:40
Speaker 4: I mean, because technically there isn't really like all these
2:44:43
shop companies are so old, like technically the people who
2:44:46
built and grew it, like the founders, they're dead, right?
2:44:49
Speaker 1: This is third, fourth generation people.
2:44:51
Speaker 4: Like some of these people have never built a business
2:44:53
from ground up. So maybe you could give them a
2:44:55
little slack and be like, they just don't know any better.
2:44:57
And it's a problem they don't know how to solve.
2:44:58
Speaker 3: Fuck them. They know.
2:44:59
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to be cooperative because in a
2:45:02
perfect world, if we could get them all to switch,
2:45:04
I mean, I don't.
2:45:05
Speaker 5: Well, maybe force their hand. I mean, maybe just making
2:45:08
people aware of it will help force their hand.
2:45:10
Speaker 4: If I wasn't the biggest YouTuber in the world, if
2:45:13
I were... Here's a crazy sentence that I do believe
2:45:15
to be true. If I stopped caring about this issue
2:45:17
and did nothing, then 1.5 million kids in illegal child labor,
2:45:20
I guarantee you it wouldn't change at all. Like it
2:45:22
wouldn't change at all in the next five, 10 years.
2:45:23
Speaker 1: Like who else?
2:45:24
Speaker 4: It's been like, look at how many kids are in
2:45:27
illegal child labor in West Africa on cacao farms.
2:45:29
Speaker 6: Okay, we're back.
2:45:30
Speaker 3: We're back.
2:45:30
Speaker 1: Big chocolate sent in an attack.
2:45:32
Speaker 3: We've had this issue. You're good. But listen, man, it's
2:45:35
just another example of that. You're an awesome guy.
2:45:38
Speaker 5: And the fact that you don't just care about money
2:45:41
and you really care about doing the right thing and
2:45:42
that you've decided to do this is just another example
2:45:45
of why you're great.
2:45:46
Speaker 3: Thank you.
2:45:47
Speaker 1: Well, and I wanted to educate people on that.
2:45:48
Speaker 4: And another thing I'd also, I think is a thing
2:45:51
that people should hear is especially in America.
2:45:54
Speaker 1: Do you know that?
2:45:55
Speaker 4: I mean, it's probably not going to surprise you, but
2:45:56
40% of food that's produced in America ends up getting
2:45:59
thrown away.
2:45:59
Speaker 1: I have heard that.
2:46:00
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:46:01
Speaker 4: And it's, and so a lot of what we've been
2:46:02
doing is working with, uh, it's like working with nonprofits
2:46:05
and setting up essentially like, you know, so many stores
2:46:08
and restaurants just throw away perfectly good food or like
2:46:11
they'll have things like if something's like within a week
2:46:13
of being expired, uh, They just toss it out because whatever,
2:46:16
but it's like, it's perfectly edible.
2:46:17
Speaker 1: There's literally nothing wrong with the food.
2:46:18
Speaker 4: And we've been, uh, just setting up like mini, uh,
2:46:21
there's a 501c nonprofit called sharing excess who crushes at this.
2:46:24
And we've been funding and building like these, uh, small
2:46:26
logistics hubs, like one in New York. Um, you know,
2:46:29
and we've been through them and then also our food banks,
2:46:31
we've been able to distribute over 40 million meals to
2:46:34
people in need across America. And instead of, like, buying
2:46:38
food and taking it and storing it and distributing it,
2:46:40
just taking food that would have been thrown away but
2:46:41
is perfectly fine and perfectly healthy and just, you know,
2:46:44
figuring out how in a couple of days to just
2:46:45
get it to food drives or people in need.
2:46:47
Speaker 1: And that's another thing, too.
2:46:49
Speaker 4: Illegal child labor and cacao and that are, like, two
2:46:51
things that I feel like people should just be aware
2:46:53
of because it's a very solvable thing.
2:46:55
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
2:46:55
Speaker 4: Like, if you work at a retailer, I'm sure a
2:46:57
lot of people here do, that throws away perfectly good
2:46:59
food because they're, like, you know, they never want to
2:47:02
run a risk of something being bad on the shelf,
2:47:03
so they'll preemptively throw it away. just call a local
2:47:06
nonprofit and be like, hey, every week we tend to
2:47:09
throw away food around this time, come pick it up.
2:47:10
Little tweaks like that is so simple, but would feed
2:47:14
so many people in need and save us so much money.
2:47:16
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's kind of a no brainer.
2:47:18
And I've literally seen it in effect.
2:47:19
Speaker 4: Like we're opening up another facility that, you know, over
2:47:22
the next 12 months should be able to distribute around
2:47:24
10 million pounds of food. So whatever that is, maybe
2:47:26
like 7 million meals. And it's like just taking food
2:47:29
that would have been thrown away. And it's kind of
2:47:30
like mind blowing that in America, like more people aren't
2:47:33
aware of that because it's a very solvable thing.
2:47:37
Speaker 5: I think there's so many people that are Only concentrating
2:47:40
on what's going to make them money.
2:47:42
Speaker 1: Of course.
2:47:44
Speaker 5: It's very rare that someone like you thinks about greater
2:47:48
good and actually.
2:47:50
Speaker 1: Puts a lot of effort. But in this case, that
2:47:51
one doesn't even cost you money. We're just talking about
2:47:53
instead of putting it in a dumpster, put it in
2:47:55
a truck.
2:47:56
Speaker 3: But the effort to enact greater good.
2:47:58
Speaker 1: Well, maybe one of you, if you're a Walmart or
2:48:00
I don't even know, some random store owner listening to this,
2:48:02
just consider it. Don't throw the food away.
2:48:05
Speaker 3: You're an awesome guy, Jimmy. Thank you. Thank you for
2:48:07
being here, man. It was really fun. I really appreciate it.
2:48:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:48:09
Speaker 3: Congratulations on everything. And we got to make the zombie show.
2:48:11
We'll do it. We're doing it. Yeah, I think we
2:48:13
should do it.
2:48:13
Speaker 1: I'll handle all the work and stuff, but you got
2:48:15
to co-produce it.
2:48:15
Speaker 3: I'll think about it some more, too. Yeah. I'm going
2:48:17
to bounce this around because I got excited. Yeah. I
2:48:20
think there's something to it.
2:48:21
Speaker 4: Next time you see me and Joe together, it's going
2:48:23
to be fighting off some zombies.
2:48:24
Speaker 3: All right. Sounds good. Thank you. That was awesome. Thanks
2:48:26
for having me.
2:48:27
Speaker 6: My pleasure.
2:48:28
Speaker 3: Thank you. Bye, everybody.