Latest / Reformed Thinking / Before Israel Had a King: Edom’s Monarchy, Covenant Distinction, and the Hope of the True King (Genesis 36:31–39)
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- 0:00Imagine holding the winning lottery ticket, a ticket worth
- 0:04billions of dollars. But there is a massive catch.
- 0:08You cannot cash it in for 400 years.
- 0:10It is a promise for your great, great, great grandchildren.
- 0:13Meanwhile, your fiercest business rival finds a crumpled
- 0:17stack of cash on the sidewalk, walks into a casino, hits the
- 0:21jackpot and immediately buys the city.
- 0:23Yeah, they. Get it all right away, right?
- 0:25They have the mansion, the cars, the societal status like today,
- 0:29and you are living in a tent holding a piece of paper,
- 0:32waiting. Welcome to Reformed thinking.
- 0:35This is a special deep dive into a historical record that
- 0:39confronts this specific scenario.
- 0:40Yeah, it really does. We are examining an ancient text
- 0:42that forces us to ask a very uncomfortable question.
- 0:45You know, what do you do when the enemies of God seem to win,
- 0:48and they win early? It is a highly relevant question
- 0:52and well, it resonates with anyone who has ever tried to
- 0:54live faithfully while watching the unfaithful prosper.
- 0:57The text we are analyzing today comes from the Book of Genesis,
- 1:01specifically chapter 36 verses 31339.
- 1:05To the casual reader, it looks like a dry, dusty genealogy of
- 1:09ancient Edomite kings. But as our source material
- 1:12reveals, it is actually a theological master class.
- 1:16And a quick note for you listening right now, we are
- 1:18going to tackle some heavy concepts today, everything from
- 1:21ancient geopolitics to post reformation theology.
- 1:25And to do that properly, we have established a rhythm for this
- 1:28conversation. We are taking our time.
- 1:30We will let each other finish our thoughts completely,
- 1:33avoiding those quick sound bites, because understanding the
- 1:36weight of this ancient list of names requires serious,
- 1:39deliberate analysis. I am really looking forward to
- 1:42it. Rushing through the historical
- 1:43context would strip the text of its immense gravity.
- 1:47We have to visualize the reality on the ground to understand the
- 1:50spirit friction taking place. So paint that picture for us.
- 1:53Yeah, Let's set the stage on one side of this historical Ledger.
- 1:56We have the original audience, right?
- 1:58The nation of Israel. They are wandering in the
- 2:00wilderness of the Sinai Peninsula.
- 2:02They are completely nomadic. Right, living out of backpacks,
- 2:04basically. Yeah, they are landless.
- 2:06Yeah, they do not have a king, just Moses leading them from one
- 2:09temporary encampment to another. They are eating manna, relying
- 2:13on daily supernatural provision just to survive.
- 2:17And then we look across the geographical divide at their
- 2:20cousins, the descendants of Esau, known as the nation of
- 2:24Edom, and the contrast is staggering.
- 2:27Staggering is the accurate word. While Israel is living out of
- 2:30literal tents in the dust, Edom has already established A
- 2:35fortified, settled monarchy. Wow.
- 2:37You have to understand the geography of Edom to grasp how
- 2:40they achieved this so rapidly. Edom occupied a territory known
- 2:44as Mount Cyr, stretching South and southeast of the Dead Sea
- 2:47down toward the Gulf of Aqaba. This was a rugged, highly
- 2:50defensible mountainous region. It is a natural fortress made of
- 2:53red sandstone cliffs. An invading army would look at
- 2:57the topography of Seer and realize that mounting a
- 3:00successful siege would be a logistical nightmare.
- 3:03So they have absolute physical security right out of the gate.
- 3:06But I mean security alone does not build a Kingdom.
- 3:08No it does not. You need an economy.
- 3:10How did they fund this rapid rise to a monarchy while Israel
- 3:15was wandering around with nothing?
- 3:16Well, they possessed 2 massive economic engines.
- 3:21First, their geographical location placed them directly
- 3:24astride at the King's Highway. This was the primary ancient
- 3:27trade artery connecting the Arabian Peninsula to the Levant,
- 3:31stretching all the way up to Damascus.
- 3:33Spices, incense, precious metals and textiles all moved along
- 3:37this route. That is a lot of wealth moving
- 3:39through 1. Place.
- 3:39Oh absolutely. And Edom controlled the toll
- 3:42booths. They controlled the vital water
- 3:44sources in that arid landscape. They could tax every caravan
- 3:48that passed through. 2nd. The region, particularly the
- 3:52Arabah Valley, was abundant in copper.
- 3:54Historical evidence from areas like the Timna Valley shows
- 3:57massive industrialized copper smelting operations.
- 4:02So they are not just scraping by with subsistence farming then?
- 4:05Not at all. They are the trade brokers and
- 4:07industrial magnates of the ancient Near East.
- 4:10They have the wealth to build infrastructure, raise armies,
- 4:13and formalize a government. Precisely, they attained a level
- 4:17of civil sophistication and economic dominance that far
- 4:20outpaced Israel's outward condition.
- 4:22This creates a massive, glaring disparity.
- 4:25Theologians often refer to the tension of the already in the
- 4:28not yet. In this historical moment, the
- 4:31reprobate line, the descendants of Esau who despised his
- 4:34birthright, are living in the already.
- 4:36They have attained recognized national coherence.
- 4:39They have administrators, fortifications, and monarchs.
- 4:42Meanwhile, the elect line, the descendants of Jacob, are
- 4:45agonizingly stuck in the not yet.
- 4:47Stuck in the waiting room. Yeah, exactly.
- 4:49They're a tribal confederation holding onto a promise from God
- 4:53about a lamb they do not yet possess.
- 4:54That brings me back to the lottery ticket analogy.
- 4:57It is one thing to know you have a promise for the future.
- 5:01It is another thing entirely to actively watch someone else
- 5:04enjoy the spoils of victory right in front of you.
- 5:07It is incredibly difficult. Put yourself in the sandals of
- 5:10an average Israelite. You are walking through the
- 5:12desert. Your feet are blistered.
- 5:15You look up toward the red heights of Mount Cyr and you see
- 5:18the walls. You see the wealth.
- 5:20You see the established order of the Edomite Kingdom.
- 5:23The psychological friction must have been agonizing.
- 5:27The world's systems have always rewarded rapid development,
- 5:29aggressive expansion and visible might.
- 5:32That is true. Edom played the world's game and
- 5:34won early. Israel was forced to operate
- 5:37under a completely different paradigm.
- 5:39And that is where the supreme test of faith occurs.
- 5:42The Israelite looking at the glass headquarters of Edom to
- 5:45use a modern business equivalent would feel a severe sense of
- 5:48inadequacy. Oh, for sure.
- 5:49The human mind naturally equates material prosperity and
- 5:52organized ability with divine favor.
- 5:55When we see someone succeeding rapidly, we assume God must be
- 5:59smiling upon their methods. Wait, I have to stop you there
- 6:02and play devil's advocate regarding God's role in this.
- 6:04Go for it. If God genuinely loves Jacob's
- 6:07line, why give Esau the quick win?
- 6:10If Jacob is the child of promise, the one chosen to carry
- 6:13the covenant, why does Esau get the crowns, the cities, and the
- 6:17established nation first? That is a very fair question.
- 6:21To a skeptic, this looks like God is playing a cruel joke on
- 6:24Israel. Why subject his own people to
- 6:27the humiliation of wandering while blessing the line that
- 6:30rejected Him? That is a brilliant challenge,
- 6:32and it cuts to the core of how we understand divine Providence.
- 6:35The authors of our sources address this by clarifying that
- 6:38God's sovereign hand is not confined strictly to the
- 6:41covenant line. He governs all families of the
- 6:44earth. He assigns lands, boundaries,
- 6:46and seasons according to his own wisdom.
- 6:49Back in Genesis, God explicitly promised that Esau would become
- 6:52a nation, that he would live by the sword, and that he would
- 6:55have a territory. Right.
- 6:56Isaac's blessing to Esau. Yeah, God is faithful to His
- 6:59Word, even to those outside the saving covenant.
- 7:02However, we must draw a razor sharp line between temporal
- 7:05blessing and redemptive inheritance.
- 7:07Meaning God gives them stuff, but he does not give them
- 7:11salvation. Right, that is spot on.
- 7:14Esau gets the quick win, but the win is strictly confined to the
- 7:17realm of earthly passing history.
- 7:19Our sources point out that God frequently allows the line
- 7:22outside the covenant to advance rapidly and outward form,
- 7:25specifically to test the faith of His people.
- 7:27It is a refiner's fire. Yes, it is.
- 7:30It forces the Israelite and it forces the modern believer to
- 7:34answer a fundamental question. Do we want a temporary Kingdom
- 7:38of dust or the eternal Kingdom promised by God?
- 7:41Wow. God delays Israel's
- 7:43gratification to teach them that their true life is not found in
- 7:46geopolitics, but in the Word of God.
- 7:48That completely alters the metric of success.
- 7:51You look at the billionaire with a massive empire, but you
- 7:54realize their foundation is rotting because it's completely
- 7:56disconnected from eternity. It is a totally different
- 7:59perspective. Establishing this historical
- 8:01disparity forces us to look closely at how Moses, the author
- 8:04of Genesis, strategically framed this information for the
- 8:07Israelites. He did not just casually drop a
- 8:10list of Edomite names into the text.
- 8:12He wrote it with a very specific targeted phrase.
- 8:15The phrasing is absolutely vital, verse 31 reads.
- 8:19These are the kings who reigned in the land of Edom before any
- 8:22king reigned over the Israelites, right?
- 8:24That single sentence functions as the interpretive key for the
- 8:27entire section. Moses is deliberately holding up
- 8:30the Edomite monarchy as a contrast to Israel's future
- 8:34destiny. And our sources highlight that
- 8:36this specific phrase, before any king reigned over the
- 8:40Israelites, is an absolute magnet for controversy among
- 8:43certain academic circles. It is the epicenter of a major
- 8:47debate regarding biblical authorship.
- 8:49Liberal critical scholars, specifically those operating
- 8:53under the Documentary Hypothesis popularized by men like Julius
- 8:56Welhausen in the 19th century, point to that exact phrase and
- 9:00claim it is an anachronism. Let's unpack the documentary
- 9:03hypothesis briefly so the listener understands the
- 9:05opposing view. Sure, the Documentary Hypothesis
- 9:09is a framework that argues the first five books of the Bible
- 9:11were not written by Moses, but were pieced together much later
- 9:14by various anonymous editors over centuries.
- 9:17When these scholars read the phrase before any king reigned
- 9:21over the Israelites, their philosophical presuppositions
- 9:24kick in. They argue that Moses, living in
- 9:27the wilderness long before Israel ever had a king, could
- 9:30not possibly have written this. Because he would not know about
- 9:33it. Exactly.
- 9:34They assume a later editor living during the time of King
- 9:37Saul or King David must have inserted this verse to explain
- 9:40Edom's history to a later generation.
- 9:42Their fundamental assumption is that predictive prophecy is
- 9:45impossible. Because if predictive prophecy
- 9:48is impossible, then Moses couldn't know about future
- 9:51Israeli kings, so someone else must have written it after the
- 9:54fact. It is a conclusion driven
- 9:56entirely by an anti supernatural bias.
- 9:59Spot on. Our sources categorically reject
- 10:02that view, arguing that it undermines the inspiration and
- 10:04authority of the text. Mesis was not writing an
- 10:07anachronism. He was writing with clear
- 10:09prophetic foresight. We have to look back at the
- 10:12patriarchal promises. God explicitly told Abraham, and
- 10:15later Jacob, that king shall come from you.
- 10:18This was bedrock covenantal expectation.
- 10:20So Moses knew it was coming. Yes.
- 10:23Who is this new the theological trajectory?
- 10:25He knew Israel was destined for a monarchy.
- 10:28So when he writes this verse, he is not recording a historical
- 10:32surprise. He is deliberately setting up a
- 10:35theological contrast between Edom's current carnal reality
- 10:40and Israel's promised holy destiny.
- 10:42Imagine the psychological weight of hearing this text read aloud
- 10:46in the wilderness. You are an Israelite sitting in
- 10:49the dust at Kadesh Barnia. You are tired, the man is
- 10:52getting old, and Moses stands up and reads this genealogy.
- 10:55Yeah, just imagine that. These are the kings who reigned
- 10:58in Edom before any king reigned over the Israelites.
- 11:00The sources pose A fascinating question.
- 11:03Would this sound like a taunt from a rival nation or a divine
- 11:05promise calling for patience? It depends entirely on the
- 11:09spiritual condition of the listener.
- 11:10For the fleshly mind, the carnal mind that judges entirely by
- 11:13sight, it would absolutely sound like a tongue.
- 11:14Oh, for sure, it would sting. It would highlight their current
- 11:17vulnerability and their lack of outward glory.
- 11:20The weary Israelite would hear that list of powerful kings and
- 11:24feel the crushing weight of the delay.
- 11:26They would think, Why are we out here eating dust while Esau
- 11:29wears a crown? But to the spiritual mind.
- 11:32To the spiritual mind, the mind attuned to the covenant, it
- 11:35functions as an ironclad promise.
- 11:37It is Moses saying, look at the descendants of Esau.
- 11:40God kept His word to them regarding temporal things.
- 11:43He gave them these earthly kings.
- 11:45If God is that faithful to a reprobate line regarding
- 11:48temporary matters, how much more certainly will He keep His
- 11:51covenant word to you, giving you the true lasting king?
- 11:55Wow. It was a severe test of faith
- 11:57demanding that they stop equating outward development
- 12:00with actual divine blessing. It forces them to look past the
- 12:03immediate horizon. Having grasped that prophetic
- 12:06tension in Moses words, we need to examine the specific
- 12:09vocabulary he uses to describe Edom's rule.
- 12:13Because, as our sources point out, the words reveal the true
- 12:16violent nature of their Kingdom. They really do.
- 12:19There is a linguistic shift in the Hebrew text that we cannot
- 12:21ignore. The linguistic shift is a
- 12:23brilliant indicator of how Edom developed politically.
- 12:26In the earlier parts of Genesis 36, the leaders of Esau's line
- 12:30are referred to with the Hebrew word aloof.
- 12:33OK, This translates roughly to chief Duke or clan leader.
- 12:37It describes A decentralized tribal, nomadic structure.
- 12:41It is a society based on extended family units rather
- 12:44than a centralized state. Right.
- 12:46But when we hit verse 31, the text abruptly shifts to the word
- 12:50melik. Melik, meaning king, the
- 12:52absolute monarch. Yes, Melik is the standard
- 12:55Hebrew word for a soft king. This signals a formal structural
- 13:00transition in Edomite society. They have moved away from
- 13:03tribalism. They have adopted A formalized
- 13:06secular statecraft. Do they have courts and armies
- 13:08now? Yes, they have an organized
- 13:10administration, a standing military and centralized
- 13:12authority. The authorial decision to use
- 13:15Malik here highlights that Edom has eagerly adopted the
- 13:18political structures of the surrounding Pagan nations.
- 13:21They have built a Kingdom of man relying entirely on human might
- 13:25and coercion. And when you look at the men who
- 13:28actually held that title of Melek, the men who wore the
- 13:31crown, the picture gets incredibly dark.
- 13:34Very dark. The text lists 8 specific kings.
- 13:37We have Bella, Jobab, Husham, Haddad, Samla, Saul, Balhanan
- 13:43and Haddar. Our sources draw a lot of
- 13:45attention to the details surrounding these names.
- 13:47What was most striking about this list is what is missing.
- 13:50There is absolutely no dynastic succession.
- 13:53Not at all. In a stable, divinely sanctioned
- 13:55monarchy, you expect to see a crown pass from father to son in
- 13:59a continuous, unbroken line that provides national stability.
- 14:04But these eight men do not follow that pattern.
- 14:06They come from entirely different lineages.
- 14:08Moreover, they rule from entirely different cities.
- 14:11We see the text specifically mentioned in Haba, Bozra, Aviv,
- 14:14Mazreka, Rehoboth and Pao. So a new king rises to power and
- 14:19he completely moves the capital to his own hometown.
- 14:21Yeah, that's a great way to put it.
- 14:23This indicates a Kingdom characterized by extreme
- 14:26instability and internal warfare.
- 14:28It strongly suggests that these kings took power through
- 14:30military crises, violent usurpation or aggressive
- 14:33political assassinations. Wow.
- 14:35We even have a brief historical note embedded in the text about
- 14:38Haddad, who struck down Midian in the country of Moab.
- 14:43This proves Edom was a formidable, warring state
- 14:46engaging in regional conflicts, right?
- 14:48But the utter lack of dynastic continuity reveals the
- 14:52fractured, brutal nature of a Kingdom built on human pride.
- 14:57It is a system built on ruthless ambition and the survival of the
- 15:01fittest. I'm going to play devil's
- 15:03advocate again here because a secular historian looking at
- 15:06this data might draw a completely different conclusion.
- 15:09We are framing the fact that these 8 kings came from
- 15:12different cities as a sign of violent instability, but
- 15:15couldn't someone argue that this was actually a highly functional
- 15:18meritocracy? If a dynasty passes strictly
- 15:21from father to son, you often end up with incompetent, weak
- 15:24rulers. But if the Crown goes to the
- 15:27strongest, most capable military leader in the region, regardless
- 15:30of which city he comes from, maybe Eden was actually
- 15:32utilizing a superior, decentralized method of
- 15:35selecting the best possible executive.
- 15:37Right, I see where you're going. Why do our sources assume it was
- 15:40chaotic usurpation rather than a calculated functional system of
- 15:45government? That is an excellent pushback,
- 15:47and from a strictly utilitarian sociological standpoint, a
- 15:51meritocratic oligarchy can indeed produce short term
- 15:54national strength, right? We see that in various ancient
- 15:57empires where military generals seized power and expanded
- 16:01borders. However, the linguistic cues in
- 16:04the Hebrew text, along with the broader theological context of
- 16:07Genesis, push back against that theory of peaceful meritocracy.
- 16:11Oh so. The Hebrew narrative
- 16:13deliberately utilizes a specific grammatical construction to
- 16:17highlight the relentless terminal nature of these reigns.
- 16:20Oh, you're talking about the rhythm of the text, The law
- 16:22consecutive. Yes, the Washington consecutive
- 16:24is a specific syntactic tool in biblical Hebrew.
- 16:27Generally, when you attach the conjunction Washington, which
- 16:30means and, to a verb and change the vowel pointing, it flips the
- 16:34tense and creates a chain of sequential actions.
- 16:36It creates A narrative velocity. Action A happened and then
- 16:39action B and then action C In Genesis 36, Moses uses this to
- 16:45create a relentless, suffocating drum beat.
- 16:48The word used over and over is waiama, which means and he died.
- 16:53The text literally reads Bella reigned.
- 16:57Well wait, let me phrase it properly.
- 16:58Bella reigned and he died. Jobab reigned in his place and
- 17:01he died. Husham reigned and he died.
- 17:04It is an obituary structure. It echoes the genealogy of
- 17:07Genesis chapter 5, the line from Adam where the repeated refrain
- 17:10is. And he died pointing out the
- 17:12universal curse of sin. Wow.
- 17:14Yeah, Moses applies that exact same structural rhythm to the
- 17:17glorious kings of Edom. It creates the feeling of a
- 17:20frantic, lethal game of musical chairs played by ruthless
- 17:23politicians. That is a great analogy.
- 17:25The music plays, someone scrambles for the throne, they
- 17:28grab the power, they build the walls of Bosra or Dinhaba, and
- 17:31then the music stops at the grave.
- 17:33Wyoming, over and over again. Yeah.
- 17:35No matter how high the throne in Edom, no matter how fortified
- 17:38the city in Mount Cyr, the scepter is continually shattered
- 17:41by the curse of death. Which completely dismantles the
- 17:44illusion of their strength. The world looks at Edom and says
- 17:46wow, look at all those kings. Look at all those capital
- 17:50cities. They are an economic and
- 17:52military powerhouse. Right.
- 17:54But Moses is pointing out that having to constantly replace
- 17:57kings from different cities is not a sign of stability.
- 18:00It is undeniable proof of failure.
- 18:02Exactly. Every time a new king from a new
- 18:04city takes the throne, it simply highlights the fact that the
- 18:07previous king succumbed to mortality.
- 18:11They could conquer Midian, but they could not conquer the
- 18:13grave. Their kingship was purely
- 18:15horizontal. It was carnal.
- 18:17It was completely disconnected from the source of eternal life.
- 18:21They were men of dust, building Thrones of dust.
- 18:24The rapid ascent to political power was matched by an equally
- 18:27rapid descent into the dirt. The.
- 18:29Inescapable reality of death for these earthly monarchs demands
- 18:33that we zoom out. We have to look at the broader
- 18:35theological framework of how God governs the rise and fall of
- 18:38nations. Yes, we do.
- 18:40How do we make sense world where God allows violent carnal men to
- 18:44build temporary empires? Our sources bring in the
- 18:47Westminster Confession to answer this.
- 18:49Yes, our sources lean heavily on post Reformation theology,
- 18:53specifically the Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter 5,
- 18:56which deals extensively with the doctrine of Divine Providence.
- 19:00A crucial chapter. It is essential for
- 19:02understanding the text. The Confession teaches that God,
- 19:05the Great Creator of all things, upholds, directs, disposes, and
- 19:10governs all creatures, actions and things, from the greatest
- 19:13even to the least. Meaning nothing operates outside
- 19:16of his control. Not a single Edomite king took
- 19:19the throne without God's explicit decree.
- 19:22Precisely, the Confession states that God governs all things by
- 19:25His entirely wise and holy Providence, according to His
- 19:28infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of
- 19:32His own will. This means Edom's rapid rise to
- 19:35political dominance, their control of the copper mines,
- 19:37their usurpation of the trade routes, all of it was decreed by
- 19:40God. He permitted the reprobate lion
- 19:42a season of earthly glory. But the question is why?
- 19:46Why give the wicked the corner office?
- 19:48Why give the unrighteous the billionaire valuation?
- 19:51To accomplish His holy, unsearchable ends, the authors
- 19:54of our material point out that God sometimes grants immediate
- 19:57worldly prosperity to those outside the covenant.
- 20:00To demonstrate the fleeting, hollow nature of such wealth, He
- 20:04gives them the crown to show the universe how useless a crown is
- 20:07if it ends in the grave. Simultaneously, he uses that
- 20:11very reality to discipline, test, and refine His chosen
- 20:15people. The text makes a razor sharp
- 20:17distinction between temporal greatness and covenant
- 20:20inheritance. Edom had the visible success,
- 20:24but they did not have the promise.
- 20:26Israel had the promise, but they lacked the visible success.
- 20:29The challenge for the believer is learning to value the
- 20:32invisible eternal promise over the visible temporary success.
- 20:36And let's be honest, that is incredibly difficult to do in
- 20:39practice. We are wired to judge by sight.
- 20:41It is the defining struggle of the Christian life.
- 20:43The carnal mind judges by sight physical strength, speed of
- 20:46acquisition and social influence.
- 20:48The Israelites in the wilderness looked up at the red heights of
- 20:51Sere, saw the established order, and felt intense envy.
- 20:55When we envy the wicked, we are essentially saying we prefer
- 20:58their temporary dying portion over our eternal living
- 21:01inheritance. We are forgetting the refrain.
- 21:03Weiama and he died. Let's apply this directly.
- 21:07The sources pose a really uncomfortable question for
- 21:10anyone listening. How should a believer handle the
- 21:13frustration of watching the wicked prosper today?
- 21:15It is a great question. Go to work.
- 21:18You try to live faithfully, ethically, honoring God in your
- 21:20business practices, and the person in the cubicle next to
- 21:23you who lies, cheats and steps on people gets the promotion.
- 21:28The secular company, ignoring every biblical principle, makes
- 21:31billions, while the faithful Christian business struggles
- 21:34just to keep the lights on. How do we stop our minds from
- 21:37acquitting that immediate, visible success with God's
- 21:40blessing? Our sources argue that we must
- 21:43anchor our minds in a terrifying theological truth.
- 21:46Rapid, unchecked success is often the most severe form of
- 21:49divine judgement. Wait, success is judgement.
- 21:52Explain that mechanism. Theologians refer to it as being
- 21:54given over to 1's own desires. When God allows the unrighteous
- 21:58to prosper without restraint, without the discipline of
- 22:01failure or hardship, He is allowing them to build a
- 22:04monument to their own mortality. Oh wow.
- 22:07He is giving them exactly what they want, the world at the cost
- 22:10of their souls. To stop equating success with
- 22:13blessing, the believer must immerse themselves in the
- 22:16reality of eternity. We have to view the corner
- 22:18office, the billion dollar valuation, and the cultural
- 22:21dominance through the lens of the grave, right?
- 22:24If a success does not survive death, it is not a true
- 22:27blessing. It is a temporary anesthesia.
- 22:30So the delay in the believer's life is actually a grace.
- 22:32Absolutely. God's delay in your life is not
- 22:34divine forgetfulness. He is actively training your
- 22:37faith to rest in His eternal Word, not in your temporary
- 22:40circumstances. He withholds the Edomite crown,
- 22:43so you will desire the Heavenly Crown.
- 22:46Recognizing that God sovereignly ordains these temporary kingdoms
- 22:49of dust leads to ask a much larger question.
- 22:52If the kings of Edom are temporary, what kind of king is
- 22:55God preparing for his own people?
- 22:57The tree king, right? This brings us to the most vital
- 23:00part of our deep dive, the Christ connection.
- 23:03We are contrasting the eternal scepter with the Thrones of
- 23:07dust. The contrast here is the
- 23:09absolute heartbeat of redemptive history.
- 23:12Edom had a monarchy, an impressive political structure,
- 23:16but our sources highlight a glaring, fatal absence in their
- 23:20society. What?
- 23:21Was missing. They had kings, but they had no
- 23:23priests to intercede for their sins.
- 23:26They had no prophets to declare the unchangeable word of the
- 23:29living God. Their entire Kingdom was a
- 23:32purely horizontal secular enterprise.
- 23:34It was a machine built to manage human affairs, but it could not
- 23:37address the root problem of humanity, which is sin and
- 23:40death. The kings of Edom could win a
- 23:42localized battle against Midian, but they were entirely powerless
- 23:45against the curse of Genesis Chapter 3.
- 23:48This theological vacuum in Edom points us directly to the
- 23:51absolute necessity of Jesus Christ.
- 23:53The authors argue that Christ is the definitive answer to the
- 23:56Edomite obituary. He fulfills the offices that
- 23:59Edom entirely lacked. The reformers called this the
- 24:01Munis triplex, the Threefold Office.
- 24:04Yes, Christ is the true prophet, speaking the final authoritative
- 24:08word of God. He is the great High Priest,
- 24:11offering himself as the perfect atoning sacrifice for sin, and
- 24:15He is the eternal King, possessing the authority of an
- 24:18endless life. He defeats the very death that
- 24:21claimed every single name on the Edomite list.
- 24:24The relentless rhythm of way a mock and he died stops
- 24:28permanently with the resurrection of Jesus.
- 24:30The grave could not hold him. Unlike the Edomite rulers who
- 24:33passed their fractured Kingdom to violent usurpers, Christ's
- 24:36reign is completely unchangeable.
- 24:38His obedience, his suffering, and his victorious resurrection
- 24:41provide the bedrock for a throne that cannot be shaken.
- 24:45Now our sources bring in a fascinating theological nuance
- 24:48regarding the future scope of this Kingdom.
- 24:50The text notes a dispensational and premillennial perspective
- 24:53held by some scholars. Yes, that is an interesting
- 24:56angle. This view suggests that the
- 24:57physical Kingdom promises made to the nation of Israel, the
- 25:00literal earthly reign, are not simply spiritualized away.
- 25:04Rather, these scholars argue that those promises will find
- 25:07literal fulfillment in the future millennial reign of
- 25:09Christ on earth. That perspective highlights the
- 25:12vast difference in methodologies between the Kingdom of man and
- 25:16the Kingdom of God. Edom tried to build an earthly
- 25:19Kingdom through human will, military might, and political
- 25:22strategy, and it crumbled. But the true physical Kingdom,
- 25:26the one that actually lasts and brings true justice to the
- 25:29earth, is reserved solely for the Messiah.
- 25:32Christ returns to establish a Kingdom that brings all nations
- 25:35under righteous subjection. The worldly crowns we see today
- 25:39are currently being cast into the dust, but the crown of
- 25:41Christ will shine with literal glory.
- 25:45If we look at the broader flow of Genesis, there is a brilliant
- 25:47literary connection we can make. We are in Genesis 36 right now
- 25:51looking at Edom's early kings, right?
- 25:52But just a few chapters later, in Genesis 49, the patriarch
- 25:56Jacob gathers his sons to give them his final prophetic
- 25:59blessing, and he gives a massive promise regarding a royal
- 26:02scepter. He says the scepter will not
- 26:04depart from Judah. It is a stunning shift.
- 26:06So Edom gets the kings early in historical visibility, but the
- 26:10true royal promise, the redemptive destiny, is
- 26:13decisively and permanently given to the line of Judah.
- 26:17The contrast between Edom and Judah is a master class in
- 26:20biblical theology. Edom's kingship is immediate.
- 26:23It is highly visible and it is entirely earthly.
- 26:27Judah's promised kingship is covenantal, it is
- 26:30forward-looking, and it is inextricably bound to the saving
- 26:33purpose of God. The Holy Spirit is teaching the
- 26:36reader to differentiate between massive political structures and
- 26:39actual messianic significance. Not every throne is the throne
- 26:43of promise. And think about how Christ, the
- 26:45Lion of the tribe of Judah, flips the Edomite model
- 26:48completely upside down. The kings of Edom seize power.
- 26:52They take cities by force. They strike down their enemies
- 26:54to secure their throne. Yes, very violent.
- 26:57But the King from the line of Judah comes in humiliation.
- 27:00He comes in perfect obedience to the Father.
- 27:02He submits to an agonizing, atoning death on a cross.
- 27:05He doesn't take life to build his Kingdom.
- 27:07He lays down his own life. And through that humiliation, he
- 27:11secures a Kingdom that the Edomite warlords could never
- 27:14even fathom. That is the staggering beauty of
- 27:16the gospel. The true king does not arrive in
- 27:18the splendor of worldly triumph or military conquest.
- 27:22He comes to bear the curse of sin.
- 27:24Right. The carnal world expects a king
- 27:26who conquers by shedding the blood of his political enemies.
- 27:29Christ conquers the cosmos by shedding his own blood for his
- 27:32enemies. This completely shatters our
- 27:35human assumptions about what true might and authority look
- 27:38like. Understanding Christ as the true
- 27:40eternal King demands A radical shift in how we function today.
- 27:45It completely alters how the Church operates in the present
- 27:48age, because we are constantly tempted to look at the world's
- 27:52success and copy it. We really are.
- 27:54Our sources take this historical contrast and apply it directly
- 27:58to a massive debate happening in the modern church.
- 28:01They argue that many congregations today are actively
- 28:04utilizing what we could call the Edomite strategy.
- 28:07The authors of our material are fiercely critical of modern
- 28:10ecclesiastical pragmatism. The Edomite strategy is a severe
- 28:13temptation for church leadership.
- 28:15Absolutely. We look at the massive secular
- 28:17corporations, the successful marketing campaigns, the
- 28:20cultural influencers with millions of followers and the
- 28:22thought process becomes if we just adopt their corporate
- 28:25methods, we can build the Kingdom of God faster and more
- 28:28efficiently. It is the driving philosophy
- 28:31behind the seeker sensitive movement.
- 28:32Yes, it is the temptation to measure spiritual vitality by
- 28:36rapid numerical expansion, by cultural relevance, by the size
- 28:40of the campus, or by how much influence a church has in the
- 28:43secular public square. Right.
- 28:45It is an attempt to build a spiritual Kingdom using the
- 28:48blunt tools of the flesh. The sources specifically
- 28:51identify this reliance on human ingenuity as an Armenian error
- 28:55in methodology. Let's unpack that term Armenian
- 28:58error, because some listeners might hear that and wonder how a
- 29:01historical theological debate about free will connects to
- 29:05modern church marketing. What is the mechanism connecting
- 29:08those two concepts? It connects fundamentally at the
- 29:10level of human agency. Arminianism, broadly speaking,
- 29:14places a heavy emphasis on human free will and the decisive
- 29:17ability of the individual to choose or reject grace.
- 29:20Right. The choice is king.
- 29:21The sources argue that if human choice is the ultimate decisive
- 29:24factor in salvation, then the logical, pragmatic conclusion is
- 29:28that the church must utilize every possible sociological,
- 29:32psychological, and marketing tool to persuade that choice.
- 29:35The Sunday service ceases to be a gathering for the worship of a
- 29:38sovereign God and becomes an optimized production designed to
- 29:42generate a specific human response.
- 29:44So you start acting like you need to usurp a city just like
- 29:47the kings of Edom, using lights, smoke, and marketing
- 29:50demographics rather than trusting the quiet work of the
- 29:54Holy Spirit through the Word. Exactly when the Church adopts
- 29:58the Edomite strategy, it may gain a massive crowd.
- 30:00It may build the ecclesiastical equivalent of bozra or dinhaba,
- 30:04but it loses the covenantal presence of God.
- 30:07It trades the divinely ordained means of grace for the hollow
- 30:11metrics of the corporate world. Let's pull a Westminster
- 30:14Confession back into the conversation, specifically
- 30:16Chapter 19, which focuses on the law of God.
- 30:20The authors use the third use of the law to change our motivation
- 30:23for action entirely. How does this correct the
- 30:26Edomite strategy? The third use of the law teaches
- 30:29that the moral law functions as a rule of life for believers.
- 30:32We are justified by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ
- 30:36alone. Therefore, our obedience to the
- 30:38law is not a frantic attempt to earn a Kingdom or build an
- 30:41empire. We do not obey God to gain a
- 30:44crown the way an Edomite king fought for a city.
- 30:47We obey out of profound well, out of immense gratitude,
- 30:50because we are already secure citizens of a heavenly Kingdom.
- 30:54Our motivation is completely inverted.
- 30:55Yes, the Edomite kings labored and killed for a throne of dust
- 31:00that they would inevitably lose, the Christian laborers and quiet
- 31:04faithful obedience because they belong to the eternal King who
- 31:07has already secured the victory. The sources pose a really
- 31:10piercing application for the listener.
- 31:12Based on this, we have to look closely at our own lives, our
- 31:15career trajectories and the goals we set for our families.
- 31:19The question we have to ask ourselves is are we using
- 31:22worldly, pragmatic strategies to build our own little Kingdom of
- 31:25dust? Are we exhausting ourselves
- 31:27trying to secure a legacy that is just going to end with an
- 31:29obituary? It is a sobering thought.
- 31:31Or are we resting in the ordinary means of grace?
- 31:34Are we finding our identity in the Word, in the sacraments, in
- 31:38quiet, faithful obedience? It is the difference between
- 31:41acting like an Edomite trying to grab the nearest passing crown
- 31:45and acting like a secure heir to an eternal promise.
- 31:48Those are the questions that expose the true affections of
- 31:51the heart. The authors point out that the
- 31:53definitive antidote to worldly envy, the absolute cure for our
- 31:57relentless desire to build Edomite kingdoms, is found in
- 32:01our corporate worship. Yes, specifically it is found at
- 32:05the Lord's Supper. Connect that for us.
- 32:07How does taking Communion defeat the Edomite strategy?
- 32:10The elements of the Lord's Table, the bread and the cup,
- 32:13are tangible, physical refutations of earthly power.
- 32:17When you come to the Lord's Table, you're participating in a
- 32:19visible word that shatters the illusion of carnal dominion.
- 32:23At the table, we do not commune with a dead Prince.
- 32:26We do not celebrate a military conqueror whose reign ended in a
- 32:29grave in the desert. We feast with a resurrected and
- 32:32currently reigning Lord. You are holding a symbol of a
- 32:35broken body which the world views is absolute failure, but
- 32:39which is actually the source of all life.
- 32:41The Edomite kings would look at a crucifixion and mock it.
- 32:44They would say that is what happens when we do not build a
- 32:47fortress and raise an army, but the Lord's Supper lifts our eyes
- 32:51away from the temporary geopolitical and corporate
- 32:54struggles of our day and fixes them on the permanent reality of
- 32:58Christ's eternal Kingdom. It is the definitive rejection
- 33:01of the Edomite strategy because it publicly declares that our
- 33:04life, our strength and our future comes solely from the
- 33:07crucified and risen Christ. It reorients our entire value
- 33:12system. We stopped looking at the red
- 33:14heights of Mount Seir and we look to the holy hill of Mount
- 33:17Zion. As we wrap up this deep dive,
- 33:20let's summarize the massive historical and theological
- 33:23tension we have been analyzing from our sources.
- 33:25Sounds good. On one side of the Ledger we
- 33:27have the rapid, glittering, but in the end terminal glory of
- 33:29Edom. They got the kings, the cities,
- 33:32the wealth, the trade routes, and then the music stopped and
- 33:34they died. On the other side, we have the
- 33:36delayed, patient, eternal glory of Israel, a glory that is not
- 33:41found in political structures but is decisively and
- 33:44permanently fulfilled in the person and work of Jesus Christ.
- 33:48The tension resolves fully in the resurrection.
- 33:50The delay Israel experienced was not a denial of God's love.
- 33:54It was a necessary preparation for a glory that outlasts the
- 33:58physical world. Which leaves us with a final
- 34:00thought to ponder based on the material we have unpacked.
- 34:03We talked earlier about that agonizing feeling of being stuck
- 34:06in a tent while the world speeds ahead and builds mansions,
- 34:08right? What if the frustrating delay in
- 34:10your life right now is actually the mercy of God?
- 34:13What if He is sovereignly protecting you from achieving
- 34:16the terminal hollow success of Edom specifically so that your
- 34:20heart remains hungry for the eternal Kingdom of Christ?
- 34:23A staggering thought to take with us as we evaluate our own
- 34:25definitions of success. Thank you for joining us on this
- 34:28deep dive. Keep your eyes on the true King.
- 34:31We will catch you next time.