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Football at Four: Unpacking Eagles Situation Currently and Going Forward · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: They were wearing all black and it didn't help them out. Uh,
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: they got gashed one hundred and eighty three yards before contact.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Bears running backs ran for a total obliteration of the defense.
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  Speaker 1: We just heard from Nick Sirianni Jeff He was asked
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: if there was going to be changes. He said, well,
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't really want to play our hand anything.
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  Speaker 1: The follow up question was to be clear, are you
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  Speaker 1: changing the play caller? And he said no, essentially, was
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  Speaker 1: that what you heard as well?
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  Speaker 2: I heard him say no, yes, no, I heard it
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  Speaker 2: changing the play caller.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, would you let's start with this? Should they be
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  Speaker 1: considering this? And it's just just like, come on, guys
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  Speaker 1: like I always say yes, absolutely, you think they should
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  Speaker 1: change the play caller.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think at this point it could hurt, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how much it can help either, depending
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  Speaker 3: on who, like who's who's calling the plays.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni, Scott Luffler like, I don't. I don't. I
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: think sometimes you make it, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, like in baseball they fire the hitting coach and
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  Speaker 3: then you know it's like you made the statement. You
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  Speaker 3: you you sent a message that everybody better start picking
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  Speaker 3: it up or else there you know what might be
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  Speaker 3: on the line, right, that's really the result.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's never because you really really think the hitting coach stinks.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you do in some situations, but it's
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  Speaker 3: usually because you have nowhere else to go you need
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  Speaker 3: to make I think there's a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of people that think Kevin Long swings the bat.
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  Speaker 2: I doubt it, but it's funny those people will not.
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  Speaker 3: You notice how well Schwarba has improved a zombie's percentage
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  Speaker 3: of batting average, but then when somebody else slumps like castidos,
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  Speaker 3: they still blame Kevin Long. So the point is, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know who they give the play calling to. The
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  Speaker 3: Sirianni Loefler Jeff Stoutlin, I don't know. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna get better, but sometimes a fresh set of eyes, like, look, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: there's three things here, right, change the play caller, change
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know, Option B ain't happening, right, So at.
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  Speaker 3: This point option eight is a potential or you just
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  Speaker 3: stay with option three, which is just keep doing the
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  Speaker 3: same thing with what you got.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I I agree they don't have really
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  Speaker 1: an option here. They don't really have anybody to turn to.
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  Speaker 1: But how does that reflect on Nick siriannything? Because I
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  Speaker 1: contend like this was the wrong Why I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's number one maybe on the list.
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  Speaker 4: I think this is a whole convoluted problem.
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  Speaker 1: But Sirianni, the root of the problem is hiring a
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  Speaker 1: guy that really shouldn't be in this spot anyway. This
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  Speaker 1: is either went to the Super Bowl and they basically said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's get a guy who's never done this before and
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  Speaker 1: put him in charge. You backed yourself into a corner
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  Speaker 1: that if it didn't work, you have no place else
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  Speaker 1: to go. So is this a spot where Jeffrey and
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  Speaker 1: Howie get involved with this decision?
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  Speaker 3: Well, they have in the past, and so it would
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  Speaker 3: not surprise me if somebody intervened somewhere and said something
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  Speaker 3: has to change to see if a change makes a difference.
• 3:03
  Speaker 3: Now this is a little different because this is a
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  Speaker 3: guy who's now been two Super Bowls, won a Super Bowl, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean with Doug, he had won a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: and then things started to regress a little bit, and then.
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  Speaker 2: You know, his hiring practices had come under question. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't really think.
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  Speaker 3: That jeff Fleury looks at the situation and cares what's
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  Speaker 3: been one I think he just cares about what the
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  Speaker 3: product looks like now. And it does not look good now,
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  Speaker 3: and it hasn't looked good for thirteen weeks.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't and it doesn't seem to be improving at all,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem to be changing at all. It
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  Speaker 1: just seems like they keep trying to do the same things.
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  Speaker 1: They're not trying to say, hey, this isn't working, Let's
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  Speaker 1: see if we could do something different. When you look
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  Speaker 1: at the run game, this run game's not getting better, right.
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  Speaker 1: There's no magic change to this run game. Do you see, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: if they try to do something different in the run game,
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  Speaker 1: they might work.
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  Speaker 3: I would be curious, you know if. And I still
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  Speaker 3: believe this. I don't think Saquan's slower. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: he might be a little bit more tentative and reluctant
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  Speaker 3: as these weeks have gone on because he's pressing. But
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything physically wrong with him. However,
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  Speaker 3: it may just be a good idea to give give
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  Speaker 3: some more carries to tank, bigs, Beat and will Shipley
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  Speaker 3: because a.
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  Speaker 2: The defense may not think it's coming b.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you get a little spark by two hungry running backs,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe that's all you need to help you out.
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  Speaker 3: This whole offense does not need to be resurrected from
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  Speaker 3: the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: It's getting close.
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  Speaker 3: But my point is it's never been a prolific offense
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  Speaker 3: for a season. It's been prolific in short stretches right,
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  Speaker 3: and important games like the NFC Championship.
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  Speaker 2: In Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: So all you're looking for is to try to bring
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of a spark back and you know,
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  Speaker 3: crawl before you walk again. Try to get yourself a
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  Speaker 3: few more sparks, and maybe those two guys can provide it.
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  Speaker 1: That being said, the offense obviously big problems. Patula is
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  Speaker 1: getting a lot of slacker. I mean, he's got signs
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  Speaker 1: about on Pattison Avenue. Now fire Fortula. This is a
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  Speaker 1: new level of a creativity where you get the workers
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  Speaker 1: involved here. I don't know, are you putting him at
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  Speaker 1: the top of the list. Do you put Sirianni above him?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you look at the players? You look at
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and say, hey, listen, he just did not
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  Speaker 1: play well either.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny how we weren't allowed to talk about this
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  Speaker 3: when they were eight and two because all they do
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  Speaker 3: is win. But you know, even though we've been talking
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  Speaker 3: about this all year long, it's it's okay to talk
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  Speaker 3: about it now that.
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  Speaker 2: They've lost to Row.
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  Speaker 3: Very interesting how the comments on YouTube and social media
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: change when you actually tell somebody it's raining when the
• 5:34
  Speaker 3: water is already falling from the sky, instead of when
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: it's just really crowdy and you can tell that it's
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  Speaker 3: going to rain. I think that it's unfortunate for Patullo.
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  Speaker 3: I think that you've made somewhat of a fair plight.
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  Speaker 3: I've sort of resisted your idea or your point that
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  Speaker 3: you've made all year that you can't hire a guy
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  Speaker 3: with no play calling experience for a team that's super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl ready, because I think that there are probably examples
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  Speaker 3: of first time play callers you've had a lot of success.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're just you can't exactly tell.
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  Speaker 3: When a guy's ready or not ready, but there's no
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  Speaker 3: denying or there's nowhere to go to Like your point is,
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  Speaker 3: so maybe maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Higher first time play caller if you've got some veteran
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  Speaker 1: guy who's the quarterback coach or the offensive consultant or
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  Speaker 1: the pass game coordinator who's you know, Tom Moore, who's
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  Speaker 1: just hanging around and you're like, hey, man, like, I
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  Speaker 1: know you're eighty five years old, but you know you've
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  Speaker 1: done this before. I mean, somebody to that extent if
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  Speaker 1: he's on the staff. This team doesn't have a guy
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  Speaker 1: on the staff qualified to call plays.
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  Speaker 4: It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: It seems that way, Mike, it really does.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're they're turning the ball over now at
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  Speaker 3: a little bit higher of a rate that they were before,
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  Speaker 3: and that's obviously not helpful either.
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  Speaker 2: The tush push turnover.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like they're just everything that can go wrong
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  Speaker 3: is going wrong for the offense that already wasn't performing well.
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  Speaker 1: How much is this, though, that the players lack confidence
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  Speaker 1: in the play caller.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think any of it is lacking confidence in
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  Speaker 3: the play caller, honestly. Yeah, I mean there might be
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  Speaker 3: some skepticism because whenever you lose, there is I think
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  Speaker 3: that let's separate the play caller from the actual offense.
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  Speaker 3: I think that might be more of it where people
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  Speaker 3: are really skeptical the just ridiculously simple offense that they
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  Speaker 3: have run for years now that teams get to see.
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  Speaker 2: More and more and more all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Is probably the bigger issue for the players than the
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  Speaker 3: play caller itself.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and that's another you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: think has been bizarre, right. You got Sirianni who was
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  Speaker 1: the play caller when he got here seven games and
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  Speaker 1: I went back and looked at those seven he was
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  Speaker 1: throwing the ball forty times a game. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was crazy. Did not think that he could at least
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  Speaker 1: lend a hand here? And maybe but he doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to do it for whatever reason? Is it because he
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  Speaker 1: does don't want to step over his bounds to his
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  Speaker 1: buddy here? I mean, why do you think that Sirianni
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  Speaker 1: doesn't see what's happening here and and and step in?
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  Speaker 1: Because this is getting eerily similar to what happened a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago when they did make a change.
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  Speaker 1: Is it because they made a change a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago and that blew up?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and listen, we you know, just because Nick
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  Speaker 3: Sirianni said no changes are gonna be made, doesn't mean.
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  Speaker 2: No changes are gonna be made like that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he didn't announce to the world that he
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  Speaker 3: had stripped Sewan desigh of his third down play calling,
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  Speaker 3: and he didn't even announce to the world until it
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  Speaker 3: was already discovered that Matt Patricia was becoming the new
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  Speaker 3: play caller.
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  Speaker 4: So I.
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  Speaker 3: Remember, this is Nick Sirianni's offense anyway, So whether.
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  Speaker 2: Or not he's making the play calls, he's on the ear,
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  Speaker 2: he's on.
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  Speaker 3: The head, fight he's My point is he's a He's
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  Speaker 3: as much a part of it as anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Was this Okay, we always hear this is Knick's offense.
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  Speaker 1: Was this offense what Kellen had to run last year
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  Speaker 1: as well?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he just had a running game. The route concepts
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  Speaker 3: are not all that different.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Kevin had a better feel at times to call
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  Speaker 3: the plays that are being called now at different times.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that only only you know inside the.
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  Speaker 2: Building would know.
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  Speaker 3: But let's I mean, let's be fair to Kevin Batulo.
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  Speaker 3: He has had zero running game, zero running game.
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  Speaker 1: I give no envy to being a play caller where
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  Speaker 1: half your playbook doesn't work.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, third and eight is a really tough down
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: I guarantee you that the rate of conversion on third
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  Speaker 3: and eight is pretty low, right, probably like in the
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  Speaker 3: thirty percentile of not twenty percentile. But when it was
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  Speaker 3: third and eight, he had a really good play call
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  Speaker 3: to get DeVante Smith wide open. And you know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: the wind was an issue or the communication on the route.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying this just to put on hurts. I'm
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: just sort of saying this to say, just because the
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  Speaker 3: ball doesn't go to guys, it doesn't mean guy the Again,
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  Speaker 3: it's the same offense, but they have figured out ways
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  Speaker 3: to scheme guys open and sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: The guys just don't get the ball.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and just.
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  Speaker 2: Telling you that for all all year long.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, and like AJ Brown had another good game.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so he's having a bigger factor, but it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be working because they can't run the ball.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it's coming down to here. They
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  Speaker 1: can't run the ball. That whole part of the offense
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  Speaker 1: has completely been taken away here. So you wonder if
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  Speaker 1: changing the play caller really changes a whole heck.
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  Speaker 4: Of a lot here.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly my point, Like who's doing what to this offense?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I mean that's I feel like we'll struggle
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  Speaker 3: with this until one of two things happens one the
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: Eagles figure out a way to rediscover their running game,
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: or two, then they've overhauled the offense at some point
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  Speaker 3: if they feel like they can well. And you know this,
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: this does invite the Jalen Hurts conversation. Ken, Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 3: function in the offense that is way more complex, has
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: a ton more motion.
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  Speaker 2: Could he function in the Kyle Shanahan type of offense?
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: Only we don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I think that the people who coach
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: him don't believe, and maybe even he himself doesn't want
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: all of that, and he's fine with how the offense is.
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  Speaker 3: He certainly echoes that sentiment when you talk. When you
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: hear Jalen Hurt speak, he just thinks that what they
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  Speaker 3: do needs to get better, not necessarily drastically change conceptually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you know, ultimately here, I think people
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  Speaker 1: want changes for the sake of change, and they're trying
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: to blame somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Buttila seems to be the easy guy.
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  Speaker 1: The offense isn't working, and because they have so many
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: talented players that were here on a team that won
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, it's not like this offense is brand new,
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  Speaker 1: like the defensive side. Okay, we lost Sweat, you lost
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams, you lost Darius Slay. You could make an
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: argument as to why that defense might struggle, But it's
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: not on the offensive side of all. It's like you
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl with the same group of guys
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  Speaker 1: and the only new guy really besides Steen is the
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  Speaker 1: play caller, and therefore he's getting all of this. But
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: why is this offense so different from the offense we
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  Speaker 1: saw a year ago?
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  Speaker 4: The offensive line's not any good.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's an issue, but you know, we've
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: come this far and Dickerson is state healthier.
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  Speaker 2: Jurgens is bad.
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  Speaker 3: Like the Bearers have had offensive line issues. The forty
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  Speaker 3: nine ers run the ball really well, they've had offensive
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: line issues.
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  Speaker 2: At some point. It can't just be the offensive line
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: is banged up.
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  Speaker 3: There's something else obviously going on with the offensive design,
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: the run game design, how the defenses are playing it.
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  Speaker 3: That it can't just now all be offensive line because
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  Speaker 3: the protection has been really, really good. So what the
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: offensive lineman are They so banged up that they can't
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  Speaker 3: run block but they can pass block really well.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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  Speaker 3: So it I do believe early on that was a
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  Speaker 3: big part of it because we saw it. We saw
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  Speaker 3: that Cam and I do. I do acknowledge that that
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  Speaker 3: is still part of it. Jurgens just doesn't have the
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: same fluidity right now. Maybe next year I'll get it back,
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: you know, a year removed from the surgery at all.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing with Dickerson.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Wayne Johnson's obviously not playing, so.
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  Speaker 3: That that's a part of it, but it can't be
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  Speaker 3: the only reason that they can't run the ball.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: What did you think of the game Hurts played and
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  Speaker 1: the way that he's played the last couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: in the role of this offensive struggles man.
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  Speaker 3: The Eagles give up two hundred and eighty one rushing yards.
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  Speaker 3: We are fourteen minutes into this thing. We haven't even
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  Speaker 3: talked about that.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: I did open this segment with the one hundred and
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: eighty three yards that they gave up on defense before contact, before.
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: Contact, right, and I have a theory on what might
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: be going on with that, but I'll answer that first.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: You know, Jillenhurts is he's gonna say he's a robot man.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: He says the same thing every time, So you know,
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: I do feel like he's owning it, but at least verbally,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much he's owning it behind closed
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: doors and on the practice fields and.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: On the on the playing field. He didn't have a
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: great game. Neither did Caleb Williams.
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  Speaker 3: And that's either because both of them tend to be
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: erratic when they passed the ball, or that the was
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: really really bad, and I could believe both.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's look at this defense then one under
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  Speaker 1: eighty three yards they gave up on the ground before contact. Yeah,
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they just got pushed all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: And you're watching that game, and I think everybody's takeaways. Man,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: look at the creativity and the run game there. They
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: are getting guys pulling and things are just moving and shaking.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: They're all over the place here. Why the Eagles defensive
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: be is hard? They got gashed by Dallas, they got
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: gashed this week. They're giving up like five hundred yards
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: in the last two games here. Yeah, So is the
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: defense has been on the field too much? Are they
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: getting asked to do too much?
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  Speaker 4: Or are they starting to wear down a little bit? Here?
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's not an ore, that's a that's
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: a hand in hand they are on the field more.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: The offense leads the NFL in three and now it
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: it's got a terrible third down percentage. I did some
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: digging into the stats today. I have a story up
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  Speaker 3: on Philly dot Com right now. People can read more
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 2: But the Eagles have played.
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  Speaker 3: I believe the number was sixty nine more defensive snaps
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  Speaker 3: this year through twelve games and last year.
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  Speaker 2: Which is not a negligible number. Sixty nine more. Divide
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  Speaker 2: that by twelve. That's like, you know, about six snaps
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  Speaker 2: more per game.
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  Speaker 3: But Mike, they had a four man de tackle rotation
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  Speaker 3: last year. This year they have basically a three man rotation.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Byron Young was only playing about twenty percent of the
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: snaps going into that Chicago game. He wound up playing
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of that game because he had to because
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: they were on the field so much. But if you
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: look Jill and Carter, his snap count from last year
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: to this year about to say eighty four eighty five
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: percent this year. Okay, but look at the difference between
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Jordan Davis and morowd Jomo. These guys have seen their
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: snap percentages nearly double from last year to this year.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: They are playing way.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: More snaps, and as people will see when we do
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: inside the Table Greg god Cosel this week, when we
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: do the defense version, you'll say Jordan Davis, Moro, Jomo
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: getting driven back, Davis standing up again, you know, playing
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: high as it's called losing his leverage. I've always liked
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: a Joemo Moore as a pass rusher than as a
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: power point of attack player. I think Milton Williams was
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: a little stronger, a lot stronger actually in that department,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: more built for it. So it's not that I think
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: these guys are bad at run defense, but if you're
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: putting him on the field twice as much, they're gonna
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: wear it down twice as fast. Right, And these guys,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: and Vic Fangio is not a believer in a whole
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: lot of deep rotations. He plays, you know, just three
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: or four de Look what's happened to josh U j
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: who is doing a pretty good job, But ever since
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: they got Joe and Phillips and Brandon gre he almost
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: never see j on the field anymore. Look what's happened
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: to John Campbell. He didn't play a single snap the
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: last game. So Vic is not a high rotation guy,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: and he's only really playing three dts, and two of
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: them are playing a monster amount of snaps compared to
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: So yes, I do think the offense.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Where we're blaming the offense for everything, we might as
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: well blame the offense for the defense too, because defense
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: been on the field too much.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: And listen, they had some injuries. You got Sidney Brown
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: out there, what was you know, Rile? Yeah, I was
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: gonna And not only was this tackling terrible, they seemed
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to be targeted to him. And you know when we
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: do draft talk and you hear about fluidity in the hips,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: there was exhibit a of lousy fluidity.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: In the hips.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I mean he got turned around, and I mean it
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: was embarrassing the way that. You know, that's one when
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: you see the tape on Saturday, I guess after that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: game that the coach is saying, what the heck were
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: you doing here?
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: But his you know, his insertion instead of Macouba.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I know, but Cooma didn't seemed to be making a
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: big impact. But I think Sidney Brown being out there
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: was definitely noticeable.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean we had not mentioned Mcooba's name a
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: lot over the last four weeks, which is a good thing.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: He wasn't making mistakes.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: He was playing the defense the way it should He
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: was coming downhill, uh, making some really good tackles. So
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: it's a big difference when you have to go.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: In fact, I think Marcus.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: EPs might be able to be healthy this week or
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: come off of r It would not shock me if
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Epps was ready to play, if he wound up getting
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the shot over over Sydney Brown.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: What else we got on this disarray of things that
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you could put onto the list here? I mean, the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: defensive line had a rough day at the office too,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: and you talked about that, But where are the linebackers here?
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Where are those guys.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: If you're if you're looking for though, if you're kind
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of looking for like what else can go wrong? Or
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: that's going under the radar. The Eagles lost another front
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: office member. You know, obviously the Dave got the report
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: that Dave Calbell is going to University of Florida, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: in that in itself is not like the biggest deal
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: of the world. But you know, you go back to
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: last offseason, they lost two or three guys. Uh, you know,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: they lost two guys to the Raiders, right, they lost
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Anthony Patch or senior.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Director of scouting.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: They lost Brandon Hunt, they lost somebody else to another
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: team that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I can't think of at the moment.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: But you know, you got to wonder why all the
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: success all you know, people leave in the front office.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: That's it's one thing if.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: They're taking better jobs, and maybe in some cases they were,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: but you know it's it's always been you want stability there,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: and now you're looking at a little bit more instability
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: in your front office.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Well, they'll get ready for Monday nights Chargers who have
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: now justin Herbert with a broken hand, who's probably going
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to try to play in the game with the bust
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: in hand? Here, do you think that they will be
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: a change made for that before that game?
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I think something different will happen before Monday.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: There will be some kind of whether it's personnel related,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: whether it's coach.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That's the one thing you're evaluating all the changes, Nick,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Where can they make personnel changes?
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I brought up the running backs.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I think that that's an easy area where they can
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: just say, hey, you know, let's give these other guys
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: more Carrie to see what happens.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: You know, just tell saqu want to rest up a
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: You know, obviously you can change if Epps is healthy
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: at safety, you can and we'll see what the play calling.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: You know, you'll know, remember everybody caught Dan Campbell on
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: camera call in all the plays a couple of weeks ago,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: So it'll get out if there's somebody else getting more
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: involved in the play calling.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Right, Jeff Mooscher, Philly Voice dot com. You can read
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: all those observations on this game, which think of the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: two point conversion, that was a whole another That thing
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: would have been scrutinized a lot more had maybe people
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: not been so mad about everything else.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I didn't like it, But I've heard many
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and talk to many people on both sides of the argument,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: and I feel like I'm in a position where I can, respectfully,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I can understand the other side of the argument, because
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: the problem with these arguments, Mike is there's no definitive outcome.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: You can't I can't tell you that if he had
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: kicked the you know, kick the extra point instead, that
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: they would have had a better shot of winning. I
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: can't tell you that they had a worse shot of losing.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: You just don't know.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: So it's just your your and the problem with the
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: analytics part of it is that analytics are all based
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: on what the league average is and doesn't really take
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: into context what your team is doing in that moment, your.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Personnel, your injuries, you're sit with the wind, all of that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: So I can understand why you don't go with the
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: analytics round every time your way if you're just married
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: to what you do.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: So I totally understand what you're saying. And a lot
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of times I say, listen, they go by the analytics.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: That's what they go by in this inference here. If
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you're the coach of the team, don't you want your
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: players and the other team to have more pressure on
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: them knowing it's a one score game as opposed to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a two score game with three minutes left.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, that just seems like very.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Valid argument for that. I respect both sides of the argument.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Check out Jeff and the guys over Inside the Birds,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the new podcast recapping this game. You can check it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: out on all podcasting platforms.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Next, Jeff, you gotta Mike, take care