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CLASSIC: Idiomatic for the People II, Part I: What's in a word? · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Fellow Ridiculous Historians, we are returning to you with a classic,
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  Speaker 1: a series of classics, actually, so stay tuned. This is
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  Speaker 1: one that we immensely enjoyed and Noel, if you recall,
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  Speaker 1: we broked in some friends for this, we did.
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  Speaker 2: It's another example of what we intended to be an
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  Speaker 2: ongoing series in the early days of the show, and
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  Speaker 2: we only did twice. We had the best of intentions,
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  Speaker 2: and now that I'm remembering what a good time we
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  Speaker 2: had with friends of the show, Frank mulhern and Rowan Newby,
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  Speaker 2: I think we gotta do this again. Idiomatic for the
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  Speaker 2: People This idea of each guest. We could do a
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  Speaker 2: guest list if needed, bring a word and just trace
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  Speaker 2: the origins of it. We love etymology and history of words,
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  Speaker 2: and its bonkers to me that we have not revisited this.
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  Speaker 2: It's also a really clever name and a reference to
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  Speaker 2: hometown heroes are em.
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  Speaker 1: We must let's roll the tape. This is from twenty
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  Speaker 1: nineteen Idiomatic for the People two, Part one. Ridiculous History
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  Speaker 1: is a production of iHeartRadio. So recently, my co host
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  Speaker 1: Nol and I had an idea that we thought was
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  Speaker 1: just crazy enough to work we had started talking about
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  Speaker 1: all the strange things that happen in the English language.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many sayings that don't quite translate, or if
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  Speaker 1: you heard them in another language, you would say, what
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  Speaker 1: the heck are these people talking about. We thought this
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  Speaker 1: was so fascinating that we wanted to do an episode
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  Speaker 1: on it, and luckily we got green lit by our
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  Speaker 1: super producer, Casey Pegram.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing goes out without his express approval. Yes, yes, very true.
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  Speaker 1: He is. He is a king maker here. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: you and I, oh, and I'm Ben by the way.
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  Speaker 1: You and I wanted to do an episode about idioms,
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  Speaker 1: and we didn't want to go into this for a alone,
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  Speaker 1: so we were joined with our good friend and host
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  Speaker 1: of the podcast Pitches Rowan Newby.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, oh here he is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there he is.
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  Speaker 4: He's been here the whole time. He was sitting in
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  Speaker 4: when we were talking about the Statue of Liberty. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: and now we're finally giving him voice.
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  Speaker 1: We did. We turned on this.
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  Speaker 3: It's true. But hey, here's the thing. You might remember.
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  Speaker 4: When we first did this episode, we gave it a
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  Speaker 4: fantastic name. Idiomatic for the people that I mentioned was
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  Speaker 4: coined by a ephemeral friend of the show who you've
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  Speaker 4: heard mentioned plenty of times, multiple times, multiple times, My
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  Speaker 4: dear friend and cohort, Frank the Tank Mulheran.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, Frank joined us today.
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  Speaker 4: Human he is in the flesh, he has a voice,
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  Speaker 4: he has a soul, and he has some ideas about
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  Speaker 4: some weird idioms. So it's all it's all coming together,
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  Speaker 4: you guys, We're all here.
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  Speaker 1: We finally did it. We pulled it off, and I
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  Speaker 1: have a feeling that this will be a two parter. No,
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  Speaker 1: to be completely clear with everybody listening this time, we
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  Speaker 1: do know roughly what our friends are going to be presenting, right,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's safe to say in most cases
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  Speaker 1: we don't know the stories behind these phrases or these words.
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  Speaker 1: So we're experiencing this with you as you listen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, with four you know, dashingly good looking
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  Speaker 4: and intelligent gentlemen, we did not want to run the
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  Speaker 4: risk of doubling up, so we did give ourselves at
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  Speaker 4: least that luxury of knowing what.
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  Speaker 3: The other we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 4: But no, we only researched our own, So there's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be surprises of plenty in today's episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, you've paid for the whole seat, but you only
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  Speaker 1: use the eggs.
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  Speaker 3: You should pay for any.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they paid attention. That's true.
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  Speaker 4: You always say that time is the most valuable currency
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  Speaker 4: these days, and that has never been more true than
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  Speaker 4: it is today.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you say, gents who would like to
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  Speaker 1: who would like to kick us off? I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna count down from three and then pixelm oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's like a dad moved.
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  Speaker 5: I know that's three two?
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  Speaker 3: All right? What do you got, Frank?
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  Speaker 5: All right? So recently I went back to my hometown
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  Speaker 5: to visit my parents for their birthdays. They both have
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  Speaker 5: birthdays within three days of each other. Here sweet, super
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  Speaker 5: convenient since I live out of town. So we were
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  Speaker 5: hanging out and we did dinner and drinks and and
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  Speaker 5: gifts exchanges and all that stuff. And then I decided
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  Speaker 5: I was going to go out and hang out with
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  Speaker 5: some of my friends in Augusta, Georgia, where I'm from.
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  Speaker 5: And on my way out, my mom said, y'all have fun,
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  Speaker 5: be safe, and then my dad chimed in with trip
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  Speaker 5: the light fantastic and yeah, no, I'd never heard.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard this freeze before but massive points to your dad,
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  Speaker 1: what gravitas? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And the thing is he had no idea where it
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  Speaker 5: came from, and I asked him about it. Yeah, and we, like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, guessed wildly for a few minutes, despite the
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  Speaker 5: fact that we all have working smartphones. So I left.
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  Speaker 5: It was still a mystery to me, and then I
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  Speaker 5: looked it up later on the next day, and there's
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  Speaker 5: quite a story to it. It goes through several different
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  Speaker 5: iterations and alterations give it to us. So the phrase
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  Speaker 5: itself means to dance nimbly or lightly and move to
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  Speaker 5: a pattern of musical accompaniment. The first variation of it
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  Speaker 5: is found in John Milton's Allegro, and the line is
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  Speaker 5: come and trip it as you go on the light
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  Speaker 5: fantastic toe.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, the old fantastic toe.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so sing song a lot.
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  Speaker 5: It really is. And the thing that kind of tripped
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  Speaker 5: me up was in this sense, trip isn't the sort
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  Speaker 5: of normal definition that we think of when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to your feet and moving around. It's more about being nimble,
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  Speaker 5: flit light fleet footage, yes, yes, kind of right, frolicking
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  Speaker 5: or whatever. And so you're in a ballroom and you're
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  Speaker 5: you know, waltzing around the room and and it's just
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  Speaker 5: kind of about you know, enjoying the night and kind
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  Speaker 5: of like living the bonvvant life, and fantastic kind of
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  Speaker 5: means with flair basically, So it's an escalation, yeah, expressivity basically,
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  Speaker 5: And that was kind of like the version that was
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  Speaker 5: around it was just basically John Milton thing. So the
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  Speaker 5: condensed version of the line from Milton appeared in Sidewalks
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  Speaker 5: of New York by Charles B. Lawler and James W.
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  Speaker 5: Blake in eighteen ninety four, and the line is boys
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  Speaker 5: and Girls Together, Me and Mamey o' rourke trip the
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  Speaker 5: light Fantastic on the Sidewalks of New York. The song
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  Speaker 5: is pretty dull. You would think a song by the
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  Speaker 5: name of Sidewalks of New York might be kind.
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  Speaker 6: Of fun, But it's a velvet underground song, right, yes, exactly,
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  Speaker 6: it's actually every velvet underground song.
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  Speaker 3: Let's se le's hear a little clip of that right now.
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  Speaker 5: And may.
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  Speaker 1: I think it feels sedate very much.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't sound very exciting, you know, it doesn't sound like
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  Speaker 5: you're jumping around.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound from a purely melodic standpoint. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: sound worthy of a phrase with the gravity of trip
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  Speaker 1: the light fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it sounds like something you'd hear in a
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  Speaker 5: church basically, but in people's session.
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  Speaker 1: Still love this phrase, right, this is not the last time,
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  Speaker 1: This is not the last we've heard of tripping the light.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, it's not. In fact, so trip the light
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  Speaker 5: fantastic in this song Sidewalks of New York was in
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  Speaker 5: eighteen ninety four, and one of the first things I
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  Speaker 5: noticed when I actually looked into this expression. As early
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  Speaker 5: as nineteen oh eight, it was viewed as cliched or
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  Speaker 5: a hackneyed phrase, which seemed to be a really oddly
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  Speaker 5: specific year.
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  Speaker 1: That's when they had reached.
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  Speaker 5: Like yeah, yeah, ten years of it was too much. Sure,
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  Speaker 5: not the Gilded Age anymore. We got to move on.
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  Speaker 1: People are avoiding ballroom dancers because they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear that phrase again exactly.
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  Speaker 5: My boss told me trip the Light fantastic, Dick. It
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  Speaker 5: was kind of gone for a little while, and then
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  Speaker 5: in the early nineteen hundred, specifically around nineteen ten through
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  Speaker 5: nineteen twenty nine, there was a lot of migrant Mexican
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  Speaker 5: workers coming over. There was the Mexican Civil war going on,
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  Speaker 5: there was a lot of political unrest and economic instability,
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  Speaker 5: and so there was a lot of northward movement. In fact,
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  Speaker 5: like a tenth of Mexico's population left during that time,
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  Speaker 5: and so they kind of brought their culture and their
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  Speaker 5: language and their music and food and all the things
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  Speaker 5: that make life fun. And eventually fantastics started to get
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  Speaker 5: subbed out with fandom, which is a Spanish dance. That's
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  Speaker 5: to me, like, when I read the description of a fandango,
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  Speaker 5: it was really similar to flamenco in my mind. And
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  Speaker 5: it turns out that the fandango is just a specific
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  Speaker 5: type of flamenco, you know, So there's you know, regional
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  Speaker 5: specific types of flamenco.
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  Speaker 3: Flamenco being you would be accompanied by a classical guitar
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  Speaker 3: and castanette and green the dancer actually plays the castanet
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  Speaker 3: at times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The video Boy with a Coin by Iron and Wine
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  Speaker 5: has a really.
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  Speaker 3: Cool example of that, right I remember that one.
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  Speaker 5: Now another change happened with this expression with Tennessee Williams
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  Speaker 5: play The Glass Menagerie and in the opening monologue, as
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  Speaker 5: Tom spoke to his father quote he gave up his
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  Speaker 5: job with a telephone company and skipped the light fantastic
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  Speaker 5: out of town.
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  Speaker 3: Whoa, So there's I think, yes, yea.
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  Speaker 5: By this time, like the sense of tripped that we
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  Speaker 5: were talking about earlier as being nimble and agile kind
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  Speaker 5: of like treaded into archaic territory and yeah, and.
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  Speaker 1: It became lame.
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  Speaker 5: Yes it want to lay Yeah, yeah, totally. And skipped
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  Speaker 5: is phonetically similar and it has, you know, pretty much
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  Speaker 5: the same spirit and meaning as as the former tripped
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  Speaker 5: did so and skipped is kind of doing double duty
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  Speaker 5: meaning wise because of skipping town.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so here's the thing for me, the original trip
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  Speaker 4: it kind of starts to come back around too with
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  Speaker 4: the sixties and like the whole idea of it becoming
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  Speaker 4: more of a trippy thing. Not to mention like you
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  Speaker 4: had Queen talking about Scarmoose, Scar Moush, will you do
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  Speaker 4: the fandango and all the thunder lightning. It's very very
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  Speaker 4: frightening to me apparently. And then you've got this band
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  Speaker 4: pro call Haram exactly. Yes, it's in nineteen sixty seven
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  Speaker 4: and they have the song I kind of like the
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  Speaker 4: any Lenox version better if I'm being honest, But it's
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  Speaker 4: called a wider shade of pale.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, this is what I was waiting for. Yeah, lyrics
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  Speaker 6: by Keith read Lyrics by Keith Read Say, and it
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  Speaker 6: uses the more modernized version. I guess, well, relatively speaking,
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  Speaker 6: we trip the light fandango, Oh no, skip light.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So it's almost like unrecognizable from its form of trip
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  Speaker 5: the light fantastic, rip.
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  Speaker 4: The light fantastic, to skip the light fandango. My thing
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  Speaker 4: here to all of this, the question I have is
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  Speaker 4: what light?
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  Speaker 3: What is this light?
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  Speaker 4: Because originally, when we were talking about this affair, when
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the lights and I'm thinking about treading
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  Speaker 4: the boards on a stage, the foot lights or something,
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  Speaker 4: but that is not really something that comes around and
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  Speaker 4: you sent any of the etymology that we that you
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  Speaker 4: were looking into this exactly. But it's a very visual
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  Speaker 4: thing and there's actually the uh l legro that you meant.
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  Speaker 4: It was actually set to music by George Frederick Handel,
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  Speaker 4: who was a you know, famous composer from the born
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  Speaker 4: in the late sixteen hundred, has died in seventy to
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  Speaker 4: fifty nine. And my mom, who is a singing teacher,
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  Speaker 4: this is a song that a lot of her students
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  Speaker 4: do and The lyric is, you know, common trip it
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  Speaker 4: as you go, what.
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  Speaker 3: The light, fantastic toe or whatever like that.
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  Speaker 4: I always thought it was the fantastic glow, but now
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  Speaker 4: I'm realizing that it's toe.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic toe is for some reason more appealing. So you're
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  Speaker 1: leading with that fantastic toe and it's it's nice. It's
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  Speaker 1: a nice switch to a spot twist. You know. Also, this,
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  Speaker 1: this reminds me. This would be a fantastic phrase for
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  Speaker 1: parkour if you are someone who is a parkour enthusiast
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  Speaker 1: and you need to for some reason spice up your
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  Speaker 1: get together, hardore parker, hardcore parkoer. Skip the light, fantastic,
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  Speaker 1: trip the light, fantastic exactly, fantastic, skip the light.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe we should reinvent it yet again for a newer generation.
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  Speaker 6: There we go, Yeah, tripping skippity the light glow, fantastic toe.
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  Speaker 3: How about flip it. Let's flip that light?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, the whole new word, flip the light, Flip
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  Speaker 6: the light, clip the light, fantastic, nip the light. We
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  Speaker 6: could go on and send us your suggestions. Yes, please
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  Speaker 6: to ridiculous these words that you know, the rhyme with
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  Speaker 6: trip to.
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous at it's ridiculous at HowStuffWorks dot com. We'd love
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  Speaker 1: to hear from you, Frank.
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  Speaker 5: I am impressed, thank you, as I've really had no
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  Speaker 5: idea that you know how much that had changed over time.
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  Speaker 5: This is really fascinating how language is, you know, constantly
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  Speaker 5: moving and changing, and it's almost unrecognizable.
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  Speaker 1: The sun speaking seamless, segues right, who's next? Who will
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  Speaker 1: trip the light? Fantastic of idioms?
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  Speaker 3: I could go, yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You've got some good ones, got it?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Ones?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's as cool sounding as a
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  Speaker 4: trip in the light. Fantastic That is a nice kind
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  Speaker 4: of compound idiom mine are also are both single words.
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  Speaker 4: The first one I don't know. Let's see what should
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  Speaker 4: I do? I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: do dope. Ah, yes, yes, I'm gonna do some dope.
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  Speaker 1: On the show we Know, we talked about this off air, right,
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this for a while off air. We
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  Speaker 1: did about which words take up the mantle of describing
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  Speaker 1: something good or cool, cool, og right.
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  Speaker 4: And also how it's sort of like a trendy thing
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  Speaker 4: to use a word that inherently means something negative and
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  Speaker 4: then flip it around and use it to describe something good.
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  Speaker 3: And dope is a really good example of that.
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  Speaker 4: But it actually has way more history than I ever
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  Speaker 4: would have possibly given it credit for. So here let's
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  Speaker 4: see where does our journey of dopeness begin.
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  Speaker 1: The first one I always think of is like being
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  Speaker 1: a dope.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's see, and that doesn't even enter into this
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  Speaker 3: at all.
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  Speaker 1: Really.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's certainly a use of the word, and you'll
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  Speaker 4: see why it was used that way, but that's not
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  Speaker 4: really the direction that my that my research took me. Originally,
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  Speaker 4: dope was a word that was used to describe some
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  Speaker 4: kind of like a dipping sauce.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so sort.
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  Speaker 4: Of like like you know, let's just say a honey muster,
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  Speaker 4: but more like a gravy type dipping sauce.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a Dutch word.
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  Speaker 4: The origin being the word doupe, which is kind of
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  Speaker 4: fun because you think, I don't know, I'm just speculating here.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if you doupe somebody, you make a dope
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  Speaker 4: out of them, right, So doupe was a thick, sticky
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  Speaker 4: sauce or a gravy, and it became a part of
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  Speaker 4: the English lexicon in the American colonies. Washington Irving, the
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  Speaker 4: famous writer, what did you write, Ben, You're You're You're
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  Speaker 4: a literature.
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  Speaker 3: Guy, Police Academy four that's the one.
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  Speaker 4: Famed screenwriter Washington Irving of the Police Academy movies fame.
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  Speaker 1: He also he also wrote the Legend of Sleepy.
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  Speaker 3: That's the guy old Ikoby Crane. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So Washington Irving introduced it an early example in his
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  Speaker 4: satire called Salmon Gundy, which I have not read.
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  Speaker 3: Has anybody read Salmon Gundy?
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  Speaker 1: My different don't be fooled? Yeah, I read that, but
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  Speaker 1: it was it's been many moons.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it was published in eighteen oh seven. So, and
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  Speaker 4: this is where he described something called a felo dripping pan,
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  Speaker 4: which is like a dough kind of like a I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, like kind of like a baking situation. And
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  Speaker 4: he used this term in this phrase quote love of
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  Speaker 4: what the learned Dutch call doupe spelled doup, like soup
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  Speaker 4: with a D. And then that is where dope started
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  Speaker 4: to come into fruition as we know it today. And
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  Speaker 4: it really started taking off, this idea of a syrupy,
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  Speaker 4: goopy doopy dare we say substance in the smokable form
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  Speaker 4: of opium that appeared in the New York City Rag Truth,
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  Speaker 4: which is a great name for a newspaper, really instill
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  Speaker 4: some confidence in the words printed therein. And it's talking
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  Speaker 4: about opium fiends, dope heads, dope fiends as early as
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  Speaker 4: eighteen eighty three. And here's a couple of quotes from
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  Speaker 4: Truth and this comes from a fantastic article on visualthosaurus
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  Speaker 4: dot com that talks about the history.
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  Speaker 3: Of dope doping, dopes, doop all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Here is one from March sixth, eighteen eighty three. Interested,
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  Speaker 4: but I love this word. Impecunious fiends receive therefore a
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  Speaker 4: commission which immediately reverts to the proprietor of the opium
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  Speaker 4: den in exchange for a pipe privilege and a shell
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  Speaker 4: of dope.
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  Speaker 1: Impetuous is a dressed up word meaning broke, That's right.
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  Speaker 4: And then they have another one here, which is my
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  Speaker 4: favorite because it's got another phrase in it that I
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  Speaker 4: would like to explore as well.
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  Speaker 3: Alexander was hitting the flute wow and rapidly getting to
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: the bottom of it of a quote hop toy of dope,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: which is quote themed pattern for smoking a considerable quantity
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: of opium fiend pattern.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: That's that's great dope dope speak. The dope is cheap
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: and the joint keeper does not catchies. Bend C A
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: T E C H I S E. Catechise That makes sense.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: What is that sort of like being reprimanded? Yes, really chastise,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: catechise them as to whether or not they are minors.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Oh so were they smoking dope joints like opium joints.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: You know, No, the joint, the joint keeper, as in
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: like theriet establishment. That's right, Yeah, the joint keeper, the
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: bar the barman a right, let's say. So that's fantastic.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: So then we've got dope kind of making the transition
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: into being a verb that can have either a positive
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: or a negative connotation. So if you're doping something, you
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: are injecting it or imbuing it with some sort of
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: medicinal substance that can either have a positive or negative effect.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: And it really started entering the lexicon of horse racing.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, because it came to mean inside info.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, we're gonna get there, absolutely, But it originally
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: was the way we think of with performance enhancing drugs.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: You know, that is still a term that's used today
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: by the UH. It's a body that investigates and maintains
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: the standards of you know, testing athletes to make sure
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: they're not quote unquote doping. Anti doping laws is what
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: they call them that they enforce. But so originally with
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: it was not about athletes human athletes. It was about horses.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: And it became such a you know thing, and they
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: would be uh. They could be injected with anything from
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: like whiskey injected, I might if inche to like a stimulant,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: So you could, like you might dope someone else's horse
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: to like slip them a mickey hobble the horse exactly,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: or you might you might you might inject or you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: apply some sort of stimulant to your own horse so
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: it gives it a little edge. And then it became
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: so prevalent that when you knew, you knew about which
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: horses were being affected by what stuff. That became referred
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: to as the straight dope, the inside dope.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Also that's the World Anti Doping Agency or WATA aha.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I love a good acronym. So one last thing.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: It was originally used in drug parlance, I guess to
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: describe an opiate which would eventually be the most popular
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: or insidious version was heroin. So even when people are
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: suffering from heroin withdrawal or opiate withdrawal, they call it
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: getting dope sick.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Right, that is a thing, and recently, more recently, it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: kind of almost exclusively used to refer to marijuana.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Your dope, dope head. You know you're smoking dope, Right,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: that's what your mom says. Right, it's sort of a
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: bit of a square thing to say these days. Right,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: here's the thing, and looking into this, I found I'm
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: just gonna really quickly go through this. I found the
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: origins of four twenty.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Whoa nice laid honest.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So there's an article in High Times magazine.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, it's true pots Brian plot twist about the
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: history of four twenty. So it turns out that there's
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: so many ideas about like what four to twenty was.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: One of them was like, oh, there's four hundred and
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: twenty discrete distinct.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Chemicals in marijuana. That seems like a stretch.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Four twenty was supposedly like some kind of police radio
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: code for like dope smoking in action or whatever. Al, yeah,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: we got a four twenty. Also not the case So
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: somebody reached out two High Times in the nineties early
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: nineties saying, now, no, no, none of this is true.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Me and my friends from.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: A high school. No, yeah, we know.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Not only do we know, we invented it. Okay, So
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: and then we've got and I've got I've got proof.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: So this guy reached out a guy by the name
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: of Brian Jarvins and who was a freelance writer for
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: High Times. He received this email or this correspondence from
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: a guy who was running a business in San Rafael, California,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: which is very near San Francisco, and so he's like, okay,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I'm interested. The guy identified himself as Steve, Steve Waldo. Okay,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: so he said, okay, me and my friends we referred
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: to ourselves as the Waldos, and we went to San
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Rafael High School and we had a secret spot that
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: we were trying to find, a like a mission where
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: it was like going to be this patch of marijuana
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: was growing like someone had planted and they had to
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: like find it like Holy Grail style. And so they
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: agreed that one hour after school ended at four twenty,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: they would meet and go on this sojourn to find
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: this marijuana field, it's so fascinating, and they interested, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: then they would meet by a statue of Louis Pasteur
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: at San Rafael High School, and they apparently.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Were known for their affinity for smoking the dope.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: The Marx Brothers in stand up comedy sounds like a
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: bunch of dangerous.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: High with never hang out with Steward would.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Love it, You really would love That's fascinating, That so fascinating.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: That's Dope's very good, Ben, And it all started with Ben.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Your whole thing, like you know, using a negative to
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: describe a positive.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Now it's something that the kids say when something is cool.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: It's interesting that it went from like such a harsh
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: drug as an opiate, to marijuana, which of course now
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: is more or less legal in most places or.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Less, it is at least much more, much more universally
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: considered innocuous.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I think dope is still kind of like,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: you know, an opiate sort of word. It can be
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: a catch all, certainly specifically when you're talking about dope sickness.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: That's right, and this Coca Cola drugs. This leads us
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to an important point and a question I think that
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: we were asking each other off the air when the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: four of us were hanging out. Uh, how do we
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: get in front of this? What's the right now? Dope?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Is encountering telling a moment?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's having a moment, it's having a renaissance, right,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the same the cool did, wicked, sick, rad, gnarly, tubular, radical,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and the question that keeps haunting me. I mean, I
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: don't think we figured this out when we were talking
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: about this earlier. What's the next one? What's the next
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: word that's going to inherit this mantle? You know what
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like, what's the what's the next dope?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It's a one word?
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Probably it probably is. Is it possible that that our
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: friend Rowan Nuby has it?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: I'm honored that you would think that I have a
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: cornucopia of silly words just floating around on the bank
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: of my Why they brought me in here? Actually, okay,
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: let's just uh, let's just thrust some out there. What
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: about slut slunt slunt? Yeah, it's kind of kind of gross.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: It's maybe it's like maybe it's like your mean, Maybe
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: someone is mean that's a.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Harsh mouthfield maybe like flong about like.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Right, now, dude, last night I got really uh poddled.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: That's like that means too much? Yes, serious. I went
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: through a phase where, for some reason, and I never
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: apologized Casey to you or nol on air, so I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: should do it now. I went through it. I get
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: stuck in certain phrases and I over use them very easily.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And I went through a period where I was just
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: instead of saying yes to something or great or I've
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: seen this email I was replying to I was replying
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to you guys with just zanzibar because I like and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: no one ever called me on you guys, never said, dude,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Just let it roll?
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Really, you know, I mean, Ben's going to be Ben.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: If you're bold enough and you just yeah, gownly if
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: you own it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: No one's gonna say anything that's the truth with any
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: of these words. And we've coined a few on the
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: show ourselves, like a straight Seahorse T shirt.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, has been making the rounds with some of the
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: folks on the Ridiculous History page.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah we actually we should, we should paying Some of
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: our fellow listener is rode In and it told us
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that they were propagating this phrase, which we thought was fantastic.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I gotta admit, man, I don't know about you know
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that I had no idea straight seahorse teeth would take off.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: You must have had a little inkling.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Then the first day you hear that in the wild
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: is going to be amazing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Wow. Do you think we will? You will? I hope so,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I hope it's in a really weird situation.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: What other situations do we find ourselves in in the wild?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Then it's true we don't have regular days now, you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: really don't.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: But we do have another idiom to throw out at you,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: don't we. I think it's yours, my friend Rowan, That.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: Is correct, I do have one, since that is the
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: game we're playing here. How funny would it be if
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: I just was like, oh wait, I was supposed to
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: do homework. No, I just was sitting here drinking coconut water.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: What do I have here? Cucumber was a.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Cucumber montane sparkling water, made right here in the heart
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: of Atlanta, Georgia.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: Is it true that if we say the company name
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: of the product too more times they'll send us a
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: case of it?
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: We already have cases. Yeah, we're office one okay, oh
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: you take with you.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Take them with you. You guys are take away from
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the fun of getting free things. But okay, do you
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: want us to like make it a scavenger hunt or
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: like make it more fun? Sure? Okay, Well we'll give
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you a series of clues at the end of the episode.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Do I see them a little off to that? Seem
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: all right? I'm a little I drank a lot last night.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Well you know, I'm not a hangover doctor or whatever.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: But you seem fine. What do you think, guys? Does
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: he seem alright?
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: You look great?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like you're absolutely glowing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, good that that shower helped.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Uh Well, the reason I ask is because, uh, you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: we've all knocked back a few in our local watering
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: hole and woke up feeling rather ripe, which is called
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: the local, which is called we might as well say, yeah,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: it's it's it really is on the nose. Yeah, you
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: can be pretty gnarly if you drink too much, which
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: brings up my first idiom here the time honored colloquialism
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: hair of the dog, which is a yes, which is
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: a short for, of course, hair of the dog that
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: bit you.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So because this one. I I have no idea what
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the etymology is, but I've heard it used again in
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the wild, sure, And it's usually when someone starts drinking
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: kind of early in the day, you know, not distressingly early,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: not like airport, but yeah, like brunch early.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, and I mean it's it's You can also
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: infer from the way where it's used in normal conversation
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: that it's to quell the aching headache from the night before.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: You wake up with a headache because you're hungover, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: so you're like, oh, hair the dog, the bitch you.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep drinking.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: That'll solve everything if I just keep drinking. Right in
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: question Mark, I hear the dog Lloyd, Yeah, exact, of course.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: I always think of the shining too. Yeah, and it's
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: referring to the it's a it's a cure like finger
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: quotes cure.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: There's no scientific proof that it works whatsoever, but the.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: Story goes, yeah, if you indulge too much, the next day,
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: you ingest more of the same alcohol and it quells this.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Pain in your head.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: But at the origin of the expression dates back to
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: medieval times actually, when it was thought that after being
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: bit by a rabid dog. One could relieve the pain
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: by simply rubbing some hairs from the same dog into
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: your wound.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, that's disgusting. That seems very unsane.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not a doctor. I don't recommend them.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I mean it is something that we've talked about in
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: other episodes of the show. This sort of like I
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: don't know, you hear about it in medieval practitioners of remedies.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not even gonna call them doctor. That
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: wasn't quite even a thing yet, but it's seemed like
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: leeching or blood letting, only this is like almost like
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the idea of fighting fire with fire, right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sympathetic magic. This theory was first developed by a
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: guy named Sir James Frasier in his masterpiece The Golden Boat.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And in this the argument is that like can cure
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like this correlation between things, whether they're related through their
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: physicality or whether they're related through their space and time
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: in the event.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Right, like a voodoo doll or something.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, or like how you could become a werewolf
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: by drinking water from a wolf print in the woods,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: which is also, by the way, not true. If you
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: were about to give it a go. I don't think
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: it'll work, but right in if it does once you
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: transform back. But you're absolutely right. Well, it's kind of
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the idea that the poison can help create the antidote.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you guys always enlightened me on my own idioms
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: that I bring to the table.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I love the What did you call what kind of magic?
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Was that? Sympathetic eathetic magic?
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sort of like a sympathetic vibration, right, So
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: it's if something vibrates at the right frequency, it makes
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: it something else vibrate at that same frequency. So sympathetic
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: magic would be like if you are interacting with something
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: related to the malady that you're suffering from or maybe
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: even dare we say the cause, that it will somehow
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: cure it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: But what you're getting at Rong, which.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: I totally agree with, is that this is completely magical thinking.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: It's this idea that I to be less drunk or
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: to feel less bad, I should just drink more and
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: sure it'll make you.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Feel a little better because you're drunk again.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: It's also it's alsobies right and also, how do you
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: get the subsequent hairs from the same dog that bit you.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like reas that's right.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: It requires some sort of mystical quest because that here, okay,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: here we go. I propose something, this idea of seeking
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: out some sort of creature that has wronged you and
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: then you have to kill it to get the hair.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: That's sort of the idea is you gotta you gotta
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: slay the beast and then you get the hair, rub
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: it on your wounds. But let's apply this to you
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: know how the idiom came around to bar times.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: I guess, like, who doesn't like a good mimosa or
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: bloody Mary in the morning. Let's be honest, you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: I was just a little nip and morning guy.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I just recently started liking blady. But I was shocked
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: out at the airport at like six am this morning.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: I'm looking in the.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: People are pouring vodka and the airport bar at six
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: that had to be some hair the alcohol thing.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Well, they're also they're also possibly, in their defense, they're
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: coming from a very different time zone. Could be we
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: do have the world's busiest airport. Oh okay, well never mind,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no, no, you never know. But well
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I've decided to assume that's fair.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I was a little shocked, and you know, even weirder,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I was like, maybe I should I should have a
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: little nippet six in the morning.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: That seems fun.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: You know, if I see someone drinking that much at
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: an airport, I go they fly all of the time.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: They are getting on airplanes like four times a week
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: or something.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Because the thing about airports is that's sort of like
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: a liminal space where it's like a space between spaces,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: and so the normal rules of decorum and life skills
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: do not apply when you're at the air absolutely true.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Like garbage.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: What happens in the airport?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Pants, sweatpants and pocket shots, crocs, trip that light, fantastic.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: We have some airport war stories that would be great
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: for a future episode. What do you think that's diving
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: into our personal lives a little? I'm fine with you, okay,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: but I have a question for you. Real sure, Okay.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: This is illuminating to me and I cannot help. But
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: wonder what kind of terrible night someone had where they
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: went on this quest. As Noel said, they were bitten
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: by a rabid dog. They hunted it down, they took
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: its hair, and then in the morning they started drinking
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: booze and someone's like, whoa, hey, dude, are you okay? Like,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: how bad does your now? Bad does not have to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: be right exactly.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: I mean alcohol will always act, as you know, a
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: numbing agent. I feel like, I mean, for God's sake.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: Then they used to put whiskey and milk and give
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: it to their kids. You know, I still do that,
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: just random children.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, you.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Know, I actually found a really good physiological description of
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: it on a website called vinepaar dot com, which is
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: a great name for a website.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great name. I actually have the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: same source. What did you find I found?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was talking about these physiological aspects of like
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: how you know the alcohol affects you like bloody Mary
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: works because the alcohol inside the drink begins acting on
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: the chemical receptors inside the brain to increase the feelings
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: of pleasure. It's actually why so many people like booze
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: in the first place, and also probably why you drank
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: so much the night before, and the chemical reaction begins
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: to overpower the hangover symptoms, thus allowing us to feel
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: at least momentarily from the bad decisions of the previous night.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So and what is life but a series of momentary reliefs? Yeah,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and quick fixes.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: You know, have any of y'all ever had Hair of
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: the Dog actually cure your hangover, because that's always been
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: like a delay strategy for me. Like when I've worked
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: in a restaurant, I was like, let me just get
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: through the lunch rush, right like in d stem spinach
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: for the next three hours and then go home.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I've Yeah, I'm not a practitioner of Hair of the Dog,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: even when I live in a crazy airport life. It
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: just seems strange to introduce that kind of variable after,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you know, especially if you've had a night where you
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: were drinking and you wake up the next day like
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: maybe you can, maybe you can power through, as you said, Frank,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: delay until about three pm or something. At some point
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: your body has.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: Some metabolize this alcohol, like unless you just steadily drink
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: from that point to the rest of your.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Life, which is really increasingly shorter. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: No, it really does seem like prolonging the inevitable. I
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: am incapable of day drinking successfully too. I know that
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Frank that you have, You're not That's not our thing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: It's just like because I get sleepy, I get cranky.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: It's not fun. It just is going to kill my day.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I don't care what kind of night I've had the
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: night before. I'm just going to power through. And we
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: have some very helpful tips for this. All of a sudden,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: this has become alcoholism.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: One on one, just drink a lot of water.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Drink a lot.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: That has always cured my headache. If I just drink
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of water. I don't want to drink booze.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I wanted to water hydrated kids. And you know, a
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: little bit of a little bit of a leave, a
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: little bit of ibuprofen and something, eat something.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you drink. Be married, No, don't be married.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Feel sad, be ashamed of yourself because if you're a
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: garbage person and you don't deserve.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: To be happy, you should never drink again.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And you should you should make wildly melodramatic proclamations all
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: that to everyone.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: You know on social media.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: People you don't. Yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: So I found this phrase from this old English writer
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: named John Heywood on phrases dot Org that supposedly the
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: first origin of Hair of the Dog fifteen forty six.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: I thought it was really interesting.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Are you going to read it. I am going to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: read it. Will you do a voice? I one, We'll
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: do all right. I'm in.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: I pray they let me and my fellow have a
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: hair of the dog that bit us last night and
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: bitten were we both on the brain?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It literally says that we saw each other drunk and
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the good ale glass.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Bit on the brain. So what you're saying is I
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: think we were talking off Mike, how both to the brain?
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Both to the brain. That's great.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: So you were telling me a little bit off, Mike
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: that this article talks about how some of these phrases
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: don't really come into popular use until like the literal
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: version of it sort of falls out. So this is
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: sort of what you're seeing. There is this gentleman using
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: that to describe the actual experience of being hungover, and
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: exactly he's kind of using it as a metaphor when
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: it was sort of a folkloric tradition in the first place,
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: right exactly.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: It's interesting, yeah, super fascinating, and.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: We still use it to this day.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Something. So we've got dope, hair of the dog and
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: tripping the light. Fantastic. I'm glad that we set this
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: up as a two part in the beginning this This
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: is one of those shows that I wish wouldn't end,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but we will have to end today's episode eventually. I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: have I have one contribution. I feel like the uh,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the evil character and a fairy tale going. I have
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: a presence from a child. There's one more gift. This
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: phrase is something that we've heard before, and I primed
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you guys just a little bit off air for this.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: The word is god Zukes, and so that's why I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: was like sliding that in hot topic mall gad Zukes
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Spencer's uh. For a lot of us in our age
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: group in this part of the world, when we hear
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the phrase godzooks, we associate it with the store that
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: used to be quite popular in the era of malls,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and it was called Goadzukes.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Are we in a post mall America?
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: Yes, it's getting I guess that's because the mall used
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: to be like a central like fixture of like hanging
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: out hangout center.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: It was the center of town.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: God Zukes was also like where you would buy those
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: giant pants that were called Jinko's. Younger listeners and maybe
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: don't remember this absurd time or.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: That orb with the lightning. Ooh, the glass that would
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: touch or the pill you put your hand and it
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: showed its your hand in the metal.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Which those things have to be filthy by now, yeah,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the ones on display and like the science store face.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: So it turns out that god zeukes actually has a
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: storied history, you know, things like goad zukes or zounds,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: which is also related on the yep uh. They sound
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: like something you would hear on the old Adam West.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah scooby doo, the old Adam West batman, but they
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: have religious origins. Dictionary references date gad zookes as far
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: back as the late sixteen hundreds as a shortening of
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: another exclamation, which was by God's hooks. Whoa God's hooks
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: be a reference to the nails on the cross of
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: You know what first popped into my head when you
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: said God's hooks? I pictured God as being like pinhead
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: from hell razors shutting out hooks into the flesh of
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: a damn.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I I was thinking that too, like a god with
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: you know that has an unseeable form except for the
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: hooks where the hands should be. You know this this
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: super pirate yeh, super pirate this weird because I mentioned
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: zounds earlier. Zounds also appears to date back to around
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the fifteen hundreds as a euphemism for the phrase by
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: God's wounds.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: So it should be pronounced zoons should probably should be
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: z O U N D S right.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And I guess it depends on yourselves, right, So this
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: phrase god zooks is not alone in its evolution, even
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: phrases there's somewhat innocuous, like Jeeper's creepy. It was originally
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: euphemism to get around saying Jesus Christ, but still still
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: have the same thing. I think the guy who meets yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I think the guy who made the film Jeepers Creepers
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't know that. But also apparently that guy's a creep
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I've heard. Yeah, I'm a big fan of JEsum crow.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: That's that's good. I'm a big fan of cheese and crackers.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Good people say that, right, Oh for sure? Yeah?
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Children, I said that earlier, Yes, yeah, right.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Or just the strangers on the train. So it's an exclamation.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: We don't hear it too often now. I think Prince
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Philip said it in These are modern days, but it
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: would be unusual for us to be hanging out and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: maybe have a surprise party for Casey and for him
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: to see the cake and whatever, you know, Mariachi band
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: or whatever we had to spice it up. It would
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: be really strange for him to go Dad Zooks, wouldn't
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: it well.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, these hip young millennials these days,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: they bring back this stuff all the time, saying ironically,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I say, Zoike's a lot.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. I started saying oish and I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: have no idea why. It's just stutched in my head.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I think I just made it up so like, I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: don't know. I was just so surprised that's what came out.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I'll keep that one. But the use
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: of gad for God occurs in other phrases too, gad
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: gad and these are called phraseological combinations. There are other
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: ones that didn't make the cut. God zekes is did
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that Coca Cola reference earlier? Goad Zukes is one of
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the most successful of these turns of phrase. I would like, yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I'd like to end this part of the show by
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: telling introducing you guys to some God Zukes esque things
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: that didn't make it. They're all ridiculous. Are you prepared?
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Gad's Bob's also an exclamation, Gad's bob, Uh, God's lid.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: There's God's bud likings.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Can we bring that back?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: God's buddly goods? And then God's nouns nouns in u
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: n s. That's just lazy. I mean, I think the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: clear audience favorite here is God's bud likings.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: It's bud bud lickings.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Bud.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: That would be a good name for a Dukes of
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Hazard character.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Budd. Oh gosh, So this is strange. Gods, Gods buds likings.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: We found out about tripping the light fantastic the hair
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: of the dog that bid us and it was overall
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: pretty dopey.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Thanks man, sounds just a little bit.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I deserved it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I opened them wide and affection and admiration from my
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: dear co host Bimbol.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Noel Brown. And likewise, one thing that we
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: found there was a great interest to us on our
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: first episode of Idiomatic for the People was that, in
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: the course of the show, we had totally without planning
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: it used several, like multiple different turns of phrase or
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: figures of speech idioms that we did not even notice
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: until we went back and listened to it. So I
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: wonder if we did that today as well, No doubt
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: about it, no doubt about it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: That's there's a really cool video by Kishi Bashi who
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: crams like one hundred and twenty or so idioms into
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: a single music video. That's really cool.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Well, we got four.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: We're doing our best. We're living our best life.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: I know, Kishi Bashi, bud we're working our way.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. But who is not even him sometimes?
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: But he is from Mathews, Georgia, which is also where
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Arim is from, which is one of Frank's favorite which
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: is where Idiomatic for the people came from. So thanks R. E. M.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: And thanks Frank Mulharan for helping dub this segment.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you, and thanks.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: For coming on the show. Dude, Thanks for having me. Rob,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Thanks to you as well. My pleasure.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: You you you, you dashing man with your He's got
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: a shirt on that you guys wouldn't believe.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: It's got boots on it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: It's very colorful. I wanted to take a picture, but
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to look weird. Oh no, it's fine.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Everyone takes pictures of everything these days.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: All right, Well, that that which man is wearing Google
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: glasses right now. We keep telling them they're out of fashion,
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: They're no longer even function.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: He keeps saying, Okay, Google, take a picture of shirts Google.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, you guys busted me. They are apparently
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: not as inconspicuous as I thought. But yes, thank you
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show. If you would
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: like to hear more from our good friend Frank the Taint,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: more hair and fear not, because you're essentially a shadow
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: member of our podcast, like we run ideas past Frank yep,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and Frank will sometimes give us ideas and we just
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: try not to disappoint.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a little worried that having his actual
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: voice on the show is going to open up some
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: sort of rift and time space.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: But I'm willing to take chance, godless hope not.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: If you want to. If you want to hear more
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: from our good friend Rowan Newby, check out his podcast Pitches.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: What is pitches?
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: Pitches is a podcast a boad ideas. It is a
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: comedy podcast, and boy, oh boy, I would love it
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: if any of these fellow listeners would like to ride
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: in any ideas I mean really, it can be an
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: app a turn of phrase. How about that, It could
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: be a you know, an invention or who knows, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: Nolan goes on, you were on a great episode.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Of that's correct.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's coming out soon.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: It's out today, out today, so well, this would be
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: a little removed from that in time, so it already
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: exists in the world.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I pitched a really silly idea for a suntann lotion
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: that gets you drunk.
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: Ah, the old hair of the tan that tanned you.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh, that was very good.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: I think we've got a future episode coming up where
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Ben is going to.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Correctly, that's in the that's in the cards tune.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: If you want to find us on the instagrams, you
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: know what to do at Pitches Podcast Baby shameless plug.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're far past the point of shame for plugs.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Speaking of plugs, you can find us and your fellow
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: listeners on our Facebook page Ridiculous Historians. We're also all
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: over Twitter and Instagram. We've even started sharing our own
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: personal adventures. Is that right?
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: No, that's right. I am at Embryonic Insider.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And I am at Ben Bolan We hope that you
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: enjoy this episode. We hope you tune in for the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: next one as idiomatic. For the people soldiers on Frank,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I cannot emphasize it enough. We're huge fans of that name.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you. We're thanking you profusely because we're I think
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: legally we're we're we don't have to pay you.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: It's fine what we do. We're also profuse thankers just
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: in general, that's true.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Ben, and thank you super producer Kasey Pegrim.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Thank you Alex Williams, a composer our theme. Thank you Gabe,
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: our research associate who had absolutely nothing to.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Do with this episode today, but we still thank him
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: just the same. He's a great realmnch. And thanks to
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: you Benbowan for being such a dashing and debonair co hosts.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: And that jacket and those Google glasses are really popping today.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You know what, I've committed to the bit.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: That's what you gotta do. We'll see you next timebox.
• 49:47
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