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Dr Weiiss Autism And The Controversial Treatments · Aspergers & Autism Podcast [The Aspie World] AuDHD

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  Hey guys, welcome back to the USB World Podcast and anybody
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  So I have a guest today, Doctor Eric Weiss, and I'm going to
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  allow him to introduce himself now.
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  And we're going to talk a little bit about that.
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  Good morning, doctor Eric Weiss. Do you want to explain to the
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  audience kind of like who you are and and what your
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  relationship to autism is? Yeah, well, my name is Eric and
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  you know, I grew up kind of a great lifestyle, you know, was
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  had some brothers, grew up fishing in Florida.
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  But eventually, you know, went to college, went to medical
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  school and became a surgeon. After becoming a a general
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  surgeon, I became a plastic surgeon, entered the Navy and
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  and I've done plastic and reconstructive surgery for, you
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  know, almost 40 years. However, my life changed when my
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  youngest son, you know, was diagnosed with autism.
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  And, and certainly my wife and I spent, he's 30 years old now,
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  but it's probably 28 years trying to figure out how to, you
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  know, help him cope, cope with the world.
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  And as more and more stuff has been learned about autism, I
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  really began to feel that truly profound autism was a medical
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  problem and not necessarily a a psychological behavior problem.
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  And I started to treat it as such.
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  And that's what I do now. I actually give up surgery and
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  I'm seeing all sorts of neurodegenerative
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  neurodegenerative diseases, but mostly autistic patients now.
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  Interesting. And in terms of what you were
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  saying about autism being kind of like non behavioral, I guess
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  it's to do with like it's neurological, which is
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  biological, right? And I guess that in terms of how
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  it presents itself, it's phenotypes, right, of, of brain
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  activity. And it, it, it's the, it's kind
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  of like the biological mending of those neurological paths of
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  those, the creation of the brain and the pathways that then
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  depicts the behavior rather than the other way around, right?
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  So it's not like the behavior. Correct, Correct.
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  You couldn't have said it better.
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  You know, there was a, a landmark study in 2005 by John
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  Hopkins where they, they reached out, you know, across the
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  country looking for, for brain specimens, fresh brain specimens
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  of people with autism who had recently died.
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  And so it was mostly children, but it was car accidents,
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  drownings, house fires. And they had a couple outliers
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  in their 30s and 40s. But what they found out was that
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  all of these, these these specimens had brain inflammation
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  in them in specific areas, you know, not just random, but, you
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  know, they could kind of correlate it.
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  And they looked at people that that kind of, you know,
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  progressive or, you know, what they thought autism from birth
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  and people with aggressive autism.
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  And it was all kind of inflammation based and just kind
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  of sat with other neurologic disorders, you know,
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  Parkinson's, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's kind of all start
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  out with brain inflammation. That's fascinating really,
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  because you know, there was, I was having a discussion about
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  this and I think I did a video not too long ago talking about
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  how, you know, people can perceive autism.
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  They'll they'll say like, oh, autism is obviously something
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  that is inherent from birthright because it's the creation of the
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  person that like how that creates kind of like any other
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  kind of condition, right? Like Down syndrome or any other
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  kind of issue that's in, in ingrained in your DNA as an, as
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  it creates and, but, but that didn't rule out the fact that
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  you can have autism symptoms or autism traits develop after a
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  brain injury, right? So somebody could have like, I
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  don't know, but say extreme epilepsy or they'll have maybe a
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  car crash or some kind of injury and then they'll have behavioral
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  symptomatic changes that will develop that won't look like a
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  mimic autism. But then the only difference is
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  that it's, it's not because of the same reason, if that makes
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  sense. So you kind of have to you treat
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  it a different way. Does that make sense?
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  Yeah, it, it does make sense. And I think you've you've you've
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  hit on something. And, and that's because what
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  they once they saw that, that, you know, inflammation played a
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  role because certainly after a traumatic brain injury or even a
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  stroke, we know that people can have inflammation and they
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  started to see some of the same behavioral patterns that, that
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  are associated with autism. And so, you know, they've been
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  looking for the autism gene for 25 years and they haven't found
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  it. Certainly they found things that
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  correlate with it. But, but there's also, you know,
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  what we call is incomplete penetrance, which means there's
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  plenty of people with the same genetic, you know, makeup that
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  have no symptoms. And so it might be just one
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  little factor, kind of a bullet and a gun or, or or something
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  that predisposes, then something else, you know, knocks you into
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  that that category. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I did, I've done like a bunch of like DNA tests just
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  because I'm interested in my kind of history of my
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  background. And I did one from like, I think
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  the company is called like Prometheus or something like
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  that. And they show you kind of what
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  diseases you may be predisposed to and things like that.
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  And one of the most interesting things, I'm trying to find it on
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  my computer to try to read out the exact kind of name of the
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  gene, but they call it the, they called it the autism jealous 2
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  genes that they say autism genes like are related to autism,
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  right? That they call.
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  It yeah, certain chromosomes that yeah, exactly.
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  And there was 2 in particular. And I have both of those in my
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  DNA, which is really interesting, right?
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  But my, my thought process was like, I wonder if people who
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  would, would people have these markers in the DNA but still not
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  display any autism related traits.
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  I wonder if that's like a thing. Have you ever come across
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  anything like this? Oh, without a doubt.
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  And, and, and you know, the, the incomplete penetrance is
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  probably, you know, less than 50%.
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  So when you have that genetic marker, you're, you're less
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  likely to have traits. They're more likely.
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  The whole question is why do some people express these traits
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  and others don't? And that's the, the crazy thing.
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  And, you know, as soon as John Hopkins demonstrated that there
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  was inflammation involved, researchers in the United
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  States, epidemiologist went kind of looked and they looked at
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  kind of autism change points. And they found out that in 1965
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  there were more people, you know, that were born in 1965
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  that later developed autism. And what they related that to
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  was a 1964 rubella outbreak in the United States.
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  And what they they saw was if a woman got rubella when she was
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  pregnant, it was much more likely than a normal population
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  to have a child with autism. And as soon as that kind of
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  became known, the Scandinavian countries have, you know,
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  healthcare, you know, nationalized healthcare.
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  And they correlated with any woman that was hospitalized for
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  a viral or a bacterial infection in the first or second trimester
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  was more likely than the normal population to have an autistic
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  child. And now there's animal models
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  where if you induce infection or an inflammatory state in the
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  mother, she's more than likely to have autistic offspring.
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  And so this, this inflammatory bullet, if there's a gun, can be
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  passed from mother to child in utero.
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  And so that's kind of, you know, something people are looking at.
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  It's kind of exciting new work. It's interestingly interesting.
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  I mean, one thing that like, I'm a scientist myself, I've, I've a
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  bachelor's degree in chemistry. And one of the things I know
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  about correlation is that we did this.
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  We looked at a lot of correlation data for different
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  things when we're looking at catalysts, especially in organic
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  chemistry. And one of the things that I
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  noticed was you can find correlations completely
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  unrelated, right? So, yeah, yeah.
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  You know, like the number of Mars bar sales or candy bar
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  sales on Mars, you know, it correlates with the number of
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  women dying a hair blonde. I mean, that has no correlation
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  at all. But it's it matches perfectly at
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  data, right? So we have to be very careful
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  when we're looking at data that correlates and not get too
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  carried away and too far up the garden path.
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  We have to also keep like a level head in an open mind.
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  And I think this may be one of the main issues that RFK is
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  getting ridiculed for right now with a lot of the stuff that
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  he's doing and trying to figure out kind of like, you know, that
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  what is the increase in autism traits or what is the increase
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  in autism in people? Because obviously the population
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  are becoming more, there's more diagnosis of autism now than
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  ever before. And RFK is trying to figure out,
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  you know, what, what is going on here, which is an interesting
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  thought process. But I think like when it comes
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  when it comes out with things like Tylenol usage, you know,
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  it's like, well, I mean, what about the people who took mass
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  amounts of Tylenol? And there's no effect on those
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  people, right? Like and going back to.
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  Back, back to this point in in it's funny you say Tylenol, but
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  a woman who takes Tylenol when she's pregnant may have had a
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  fever, you know, or may have been sick.
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  What is the reason? How?
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  Just because, you know, like you were talking about correlation,
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  but now with an animal model and you can induce A urinary tract
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  infection and they give rise to offspring with brain
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  inflammation that act autistic, you know, do repetitive
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  behaviors. They withdraw socially it it's
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  past the point of just a correlation, but the Tylenol may
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  correlate with them having a urinary and not just not feeling
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  good. No, it's not the Tylenol, it's
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  the fact that they're that they have a viral infection.
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  Why did they take it correctly? Yeah, and I think, you know, and
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  and that goes leads on to something else I was going to
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  say, because when the mass media starts saying Tylenol goes
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  autism and thought it's the biggest joke in the world.
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  And of course it's not a Tylenol, it's just a painkiller,
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  right. Like I mean, it's like it's not
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  really going to do much, right unless you're taking extreme
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  quantities and then you may have some issues respiratory or or
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  otherwise. But in terms of like the causes
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  of, of autism or kind of like, you know, potential reasons for
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  an offspring having these this type of phenol group or, or, or,
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  or brain activity. But one of the things that I
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  always find really interesting is I'm yet to find many people
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  who are autistic who haven't had some kind of in in utero trauma.
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  And what I mean by this is a lot of my friends that, you know,
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  quite commonly is that they were stabbed of oxygen when we were
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  first born, right? Like, so as they're coming out,
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  they were like the Bilko club wrapped on the neck myself, my
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  mother had a hell of a fall when I was when she was pregnant with
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  me. She fell.
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  It was like a whole thing like, and she felt on a stomach in a
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  like a like a bodega. I don't know if you know,
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  they're like, they're kind of like had like marble floss and
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  actually hit onto me and then just had to go to hospital.
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  Luckily there was no, you know, she didn't miscarry with me
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  because I'm here, but you know, there, it was a, a trauma that
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  happened to me whilst, you know, in nature.
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  But in terms of, you know, if you look at that and what you're
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  saying, hey, if something happens that causes
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  inflammation, you know, or, or a trauma that happens whilst, you
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  know, having birth, then does this correlate to autism?
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  And I guess that's what the research is based on, right.
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  But, and I wonder if you've come across many instances where
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  there's. Oh, I, I think you, you're
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  exactly right. I think you know it.
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  It's called HIE, hypoxic ischemic encephalopathy, where
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  you get the cord around your neck, the placenta disrupts some
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  type of interrupted blood flow to the child.
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  They get stuck in the, in the birth canal.
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  You know, all, there's all these things, but the lack of oxygen
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  to a fetal brain causes inflammation and then they can
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  possess it. So I, I believe you're exactly
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  correct there. There's probably 100 different
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  ways that a baby can get inflammation in their brain from
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  infection to trauma to ischemia to hypoxia to, to other factors
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  we may not even know yet. And, and, and so, and plus
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  there's other reasons, you know, to get inflammation besides
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  those that I just mentioned. And so I think they're starting
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  to unwind. Interesting.
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  Do you do you believe that in a where does and you know, where
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  does the the where does it lie? You know, where do the future?
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  What does it? What is the future?
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  What kind of the purpose of this?
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  And the reason I say this? Let me just give you some back
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  on it because I did AI always ask my audience kind of randomly
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  sometimes when he says like, I've got a cure for, you know,
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  because the Chinese always say we've got a cure for autism or
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  something like this. And a lot of a lot of people
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  will have this. It's kind of like a divide and I
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  guess there's but there's a justification in both sides.
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  Half the people would be like, don't you can't cure autism.
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  It's the most ridiculous thing is it's based on eugenics and
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  all this kind of nonsense when it isn't because then the reason
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  that people are trying to cure autism is if you look at
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  somebody who has, so you know, I have, I was diagnosed with
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  Asperger syndrome. But then obviously that's an ASD
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  level 1/2 depending right where you lie.
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  And I can verbally talk and I can, I can create, you know,
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  things and make a make a living for myself.
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  Yes, I have struggles. Yes, I'm medicated and have
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  therapy because of those things. But also I am a lot more able
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  than some of my friends children who, you know, are adults in
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  diapers. They can't, you know, have no
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  verbal speech, no language and their life, that their life is
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  restricted even with everything. We're trying to create
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  accessibility. So would that person who's
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  locked inside that type of condition, would they like to
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  improve the conditions to be more able?
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  Well, of course they would. Who wouldn't, right?
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  It's like saying like, if I could give, you know, somebody
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  who's gotten no legs and amputee, would I give you both
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  your legs back? They're not going to say no, are
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  they? But on the flip side, you know,
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  I've got an IQ of like 144. I, you know, I did, I did like
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  an MIT crash course in like 10 weeks and like I, I did this
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  like Japanese puzzle, which like only like 2% of people can do.
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  You know, all these things that like, I feel like because I'm
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  classed as a gifted person, right?
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  And, and I love that about me, but I also despise the fact
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  that, you know, there are, there are certain times in my life,
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  you know, this happens on like a weekly to daily basis, but I'll
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  have extreme issues with understanding and overwhelm from
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  the social or, or commutative input that will cause me to
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  almost feel like I want to die. You know, that's because it's
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  like physical pain from mental kind of or, or neurological kind
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  of input. And so would I love to get rid
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  of that or 100%? But do I like the fact that I
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  haven't high IQ? Yes, because I feel like it
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  edges me towards an existence in a way where I can help people.
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  So there's this argument, right? Like if we cure autism, are we
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  curing? Are we reversing everything in
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  that person to make them less of who they are?
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  Are we just improving the condition towards their life to
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  urge them towards a more successful existence?
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  And so this is the question, where does this lie?
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  Well, I think, you know, obviously nobody forces anybody
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  to do anything. And, and so the, and that, that
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  is very interesting. And you know, I don't know what
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  I'm doing is I'm treating people with umbilical cord blood in, in
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  stem cells. And it's so that's, that's been
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  shown there. There are cells in abilo cord
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  blood which have been shown to turn off brain inflammation and
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  turn on brain restoration. People with profound autism have
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  been shown to have less brain connection, less synapses or
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  brain connections of their neurons than the normal people.
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  And they've been shown to have less white matter tracts, which
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  are kind of the high speed tracks that connect different
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  areas of the brain. And, and Duke did a study where
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  they, they gave kids autologous and the whole court blood and
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  then did before and after Mris. It just actively showed that
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  after a single dose, there were more brain connections and there
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  there was more white metal tractor, you know, so it's
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  actually starting to reverse some of these changes and that
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  correlated with them, you know, getting somewhat better.
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  You know, it wasn't a cure. What Duke found out was that,
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  you know, with, with intensive therapy, the average autistic,
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  you know, patient goes up one point on a rating scale per
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  year. And what they did, they showed
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  that with, with adding the umbilical cord blood, they went
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  up two points in six months. So kind of Forex growth.
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  It was just a single study, but you know, I've seen some
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  profound things. Like you said, I I treated a 42
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  year old man in diapers still who was potty trained within
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  four months after getting stem cell.
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  And I think, you know, that is really interesting.
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  I guess a more broader question would be in the current research
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  from the treatment that you've executed on, has there been a
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  regression in the more positive traits?
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  Can you know, because so say you had a savant who is able to, you
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  know, be like Pink Kim Peek, like he could read like a book,
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  you know, one eye each, right? And read the whole thing in like
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  minutes. But you know, but if you'd given
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  this had a treatment to him to reverse the fact, you know, the
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  the inabilities he had, does it take away some of the abilities
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  he had? You know, does what?
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  What have you seen IQ wise? Well, first of all, this is
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  brand new science. You know, it was first described
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  in 2019, followed by the pandemic.
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  And there's really not that sophisticated, you know, things
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  yet. You know, these cells actually
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  migrate to inflammation and turn it off.
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  So I would suspect the, you know, because I think like my
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  son, his superpower is his nose. I mean, he should be a
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  sommelier. His nose and his palate.
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  He, he tastes things and smells things.
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  You know, he told me. He told me my neighbor was
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  making chocolate chip cookies. I dude, I, I have to stop you
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  right now. I, I, I I'm the same dude.
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  And this is this is really interesting.
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  My, my partner, my girlfriend, she can't believe how much I can
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  smell. It's so intense that I have such
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  a sensory aversion to major smells like onions and garlic.
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  I can't have them raw around me within like a half a mile radius
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  because it's overpowering right when my neighbors.
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  Come, my son, exactly. Dead dude.
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  I can smell, and this is crazy and maybe a bit too much of it.
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  I can smell when females are ovulating.
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  I can smell pheromone in everybody.
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  He would. He would say to me, you know,
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  try to keep this a family show. He would say she's bleeding, you
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  know, and and you know, he would just be like 20 feet away and
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  I'm going, man, don't say anything.
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  I've. Got it.
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  You know. And so, yeah, he was six years
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  old and I marched him across the the backyard and our neighbor
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  was making chocolate chip cookies, you know, crazy.
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  And so it does limit to some of the restaurants he can walk
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  into. But it does and stores because
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  I've got dallies and stuff here. Yeah, exactly.
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  I could tell you just from personal experience, he's been
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  treated and that hasn't gone away, but his ability he was.
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  Before he was treated, he probably had 30 or 40 words.
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  He could put 2 together, but now he's fully conversational.
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  Holy smokes, that is that is fascinating.
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  I and I always you know, I think about this, my friend, she has a
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  Level 3 autistic son. He can't maybe one or two words,
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  but completely detached from reality, you know, like there's
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  no, like he just kind of gets naked, kicks the dog, no idea.
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  Like, no, there's no presence in reality, right?
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  And it's such a shame. And, and she always said she's
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  like I, I, she only has the one child and she's like, I, I don't
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  like anything about being a mother, you know, and it's such
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  a hard thing to hear, but you, you can understand that living
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  that difficulty 24/7, you know, this is a very difficult job.
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  I'm highly medicated, but still no, you know.
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  You're right, right. The, the suicide rate, you know,
• 20:07
  among, you know, there's mothers that kill their child and kill
• 20:10
  themselves. You know, it is, it is
• 20:12
  devastating on the family, you know, but they're learning so
• 20:17
  much. You know, there's a, a guy, you
• 20:21
  know, an engineer in, in Phoenix, AZ, who's pioneering,
• 20:24
  you know, stool looking at stooling and profoundly autistic
• 20:28
  people because his daughter was profoundly autistic.
• 20:31
  And he's really discovered a a bacterial metabolite called
• 20:35
  paratrisol and paracresol is a bad actor.
• 20:39
  It's a mitochondrial disruptor. It causes brain inflammation.
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  And, and I've tested some kids now and normal value should be
• 20:48
  under 2100. And I'm seeing things 40,080
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  thousand. And there's Have you ever heard
• 20:55
  of something called FMT Fecal Microbial Transfer?
• 20:59
  Yes, I have, yeah. So he did a study on 18 kids
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  where they all had high paracresol levels.
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  He gave them two weeks of antibiotics that, you know,
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  aren't absorbed by the GI tract. So they just kind of go in the
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  mouth, come out the bottom, they plow the field, and then they
• 21:14
  actually make purified gut bacteria that you can take in
• 21:18
  tablet form. So he did that.
• 21:21
  Four weeks afterwards, about 40% of the gut symptoms were gone,
• 21:26
  the diarrhea, the Constipation. But about 20% of the autistic
• 21:30
  signs were gone. And he followed those kids for
• 21:33
  two years. And by two years, 47% of the
• 21:36
  autistic symptoms were gone with no other treatment.
• 21:39
  And so he's now identified 25 bacterial metabolites that can
• 21:45
  affect the brain that get made in certain situations.
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  It's about 20% of the kids with autism.
• 21:51
  He's fine this. Is fascinating.
• 21:55
  We're going to have to start rough enough soon because I
• 21:56
  don't have to take too much people's time.
• 21:57
  But in terms of here's a question, have you come across a
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  case where without any intervention at all, somebody
• 22:03
  was more profoundly on the autism spectrum younger, and as
• 22:07
  they grew older, they became less profoundly autistic and
• 22:10
  became more like level 1, you know, rather than like, you
• 22:13
  know, how's this happen naturally?
• 22:16
  I do believe it can happen naturally.
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  The brain has an incredible ability to heal itself.
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  In fact, there's a great book. I'll, I'll see if I can find the
• 22:23
  title and send it to you. It's called the brain that heals
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  Itself. And there was a, a famous, the
• 22:30
  1st chapter is about a famous Boston lawyer.
• 22:33
  He has a huge stroke. His, his son is a neuro
• 22:35
  researcher at Harvard. After five years, he comes back
• 22:39
  to practicing law again. And he always joked with his dad
• 22:43
  when he died. I'm going to take your brain and
• 22:45
  see what it looks like. Well, the dad, the dad dies and
• 22:48
  they open up his head and he only has half a brain, literally
• 22:52
  half his brain melted away from the stroke.
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  And so the plasticity of the brain cannot be underestimated.
• 23:00
  And like you said, like let's just look at the animal model
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  of, of maternal fetal transmission of, of
• 23:07
  inflammation. That's a one time hit because
• 23:09
  when the kids born, there's no more maternal inflammation going
• 23:14
  into him. And so it's so sometimes the
• 23:19
  brain can start to shut that off and rebuild itself, which is why
• 23:23
  kids do tend to get better with therapy.
• 23:26
  But but my thought is with the addition of stem cells, it's
• 23:31
  been shown to make the brain more plastic.
• 23:33
  You get more something called brain derived neurotrophic
• 23:35
  factor, which which makes your neurostem cells migrate to the
• 23:40
  area and actually makes new connections.
• 23:43
  So then therapy can work even quicker and they just get to
• 23:46
  whatever endpoint they're going to get to quicker it.
• 23:49
  It's been very interesting. Interesting.
• 23:53
  And in terms of how people can learn more about you and what
• 23:56
  you do and maybe like reach out to you online, how do people
• 23:58
  kind of find out more about you? Probably just the Internet.
• 24:03
  My my office is called North Florida stemcells.com or you can
• 24:08
  search my name Eric Weiss, MDM in Orange Park, FL.
• 24:13
  You know, I got into this to help my son.
• 24:15
  I saw profound. I took my son to University of
• 24:17
  Illinois Chicago, a great doctor, Thomas Lowe, who was
• 24:21
  used to be the chief of pediatric surgery at Saint
• 24:24
  Jude's Children's Hospital here in the United States, which is a
• 24:26
  great hospital. He had a pediatric brain trauma
• 24:30
  study going on and for compassionate need, you know, he
• 24:34
  treated my son and, and he got, he started talking, I'm telling
• 24:38
  you, within weeks, if not even within days.
• 24:41
  And so he taught me how to do it and I'm doing it now.
• 24:44
  I just gave up surgery in, in February.
• 24:46
  So I don't have a a tremendous baseline, but I've probably
• 24:50
  treated 800 to 1000 children already in adults and I'm seeing
• 24:55
  some pretty amazing growth. That's pretty fascinating.
• 24:59
  And I think that anything that helps people who are in you know
• 25:02
  who who where therapy and medicine isn't really doing the
• 25:06
  biggest amount of change. I think this type of thing is,
• 25:08
  is exactly what they would benefit from.
• 25:10
  So yeah, I'll, I'll, if you can send me your, your website link,
• 25:13
  I'll link it in, in the footnotes of this, this podcast.
• 25:16
  And if there's anything else you want to send across, I'll do
• 25:19
  that too. So everyone can just check the
• 25:20
  show notes and, and grab the details.
• 25:22
  But alright, thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 25:25
  It's been fascinating and very interesting to talk to you.
• 25:27
  No, no, thank you. It's, you know, spread the word
• 25:30
  and, and I, I hope the research is, is, you know, it's going to
• 25:36
  be a national just like going to the moon or trying to figure out
• 25:38
  aids all that thing and, and you know, because some people need
• 25:42
  some help. Yeah, 100%.
• 25:45
  Thank you very much indeed. Thank you.