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The Kenny Report | 11 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Good evening, Thanks for joining
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  Speaker 2: us on this Thursday evening. Steve Price in for Chris Kenny.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be back next week and I'll be back with
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  Speaker 2: you tomorrow night with our normal program at six. I
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  Speaker 2: must say I'm having a serious case of deja vu today.
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  Speaker 2: Labor in charge in camera like they were during the
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  Speaker 2: rud Gillard Rudd years. And guess what the people smugglers
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  Speaker 2: are back in business, and you won't believe how we
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  Speaker 2: are fighting back. I'll have details shortly. Also on tonight's program.
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  Speaker 2: You also won't believe who has turned on US President
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden. None other than Hollywood royalty and huge Democrat
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  Speaker 2: fundraiser George Clooney. Will take you to the US this
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  Speaker 2: hour to find out why he's flipped. And we'll have
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  Speaker 2: the latest on the climate wars reports. Today gas is
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  Speaker 2: being demonized to potential investors by an outfit charged by
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  Speaker 2: the federal government to facilitate investment. I'll be joined by
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  Speaker 2: an energy economist and OIGN affairs minister in the Howard government.
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  Speaker 2: He runs his eye over the UK election wipeout for
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  Speaker 2: the Tories and the NATO meeting underway in Washington. But
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  Speaker 2: first it seems the Indonesian based people smuggling syndicates are back. Now,
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  Speaker 2: they're back in business, and you won't believe what Australia
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  Speaker 2: and the Australian Border Force are doing to combat them.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian reports today that two weeks into July and
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  Speaker 2: seventy both people have already been turned back from Australia
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  Speaker 2: and if accurate, the methods Border Force are now using
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  Speaker 2: to me at least, and I presume to you, seem
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  Speaker 2: highly unusual. Apparently when a leaky wooden boat comes sailing
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  Speaker 2: over the horizon from Indonesia and is intercepted by our navy,
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  Speaker 2: they are then stopped, forced to remain on their vessel,
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  Speaker 2: in this case for up to eighteen days at sea.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's been reported that these thirty Bangladeshis and
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  Speaker 2: this is who they were, and eight Rohinga men were
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  Speaker 2: given two brand new boats capable of carrying twenty two people.
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  Speaker 2: Now presumably their wooden boat is then burnt, as was
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  Speaker 2: the case under Peter Dutton's time in charge of Home Affairs,
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  Speaker 2: when they were then transferred the people on the boats
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  Speaker 2: to the island of Naaru, not now now. If this
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  Speaker 2: report is right, and I have no reason to doubt it,
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  Speaker 2: as I said it was in the Australian Today, not now.
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  Speaker 2: We put these desperate illegal immigrants in brand new boats.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not all. The boats are then loaded with food, water,
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  Speaker 2: life jackets and enough fuel only to get to some
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  Speaker 2: place called rot now Rote is two hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 2: six kilometers from the Australian territory of ashmal Reef, presumably
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  Speaker 2: back north. So many questions about this, and the government
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  Speaker 2: and Border Force are not talking. Surprise surprise, what happens
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  Speaker 2: to these boats? I ask, when they are run up
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  Speaker 2: on the shore of this Indonesian outpost. What's to stop
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  Speaker 2: them being used to simply turn around, fueled up and
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  Speaker 2: heads straight back to Australia. Well maybe, as I heard
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  Speaker 2: with Ray Hadley on TWOGB today, he was surmising that
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  Speaker 2: these things could be fitted with tracking devices so that
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  Speaker 2: the Navy actually now knows where these boats are and
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  Speaker 2: who's on them. Now. How much is all this costing?
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  Speaker 2: Are the Indonesians happy with us loading up people smuggling
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  Speaker 2: clients with taxpayer funded brand new boats? How much is
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  Speaker 2: each boat worth? What's to stop the Indonesian fishermen from
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  Speaker 2: actually using those boats instead of their old wooden boats
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  Speaker 2: to run illegal fishing operations in Australian waters. But it's
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  Speaker 2: all very odd and we really need some answers. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just an isolated incident. The Australian Are further reported
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  Speaker 2: today that last week twenty eight foreign nationals and two
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  Speaker 2: Indonesian fishermen turned up on a remote beach on the
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  Speaker 2: south coast of West Java. They too had a spanking
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  Speaker 2: brand new boat given to them, and they told the
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  Speaker 2: police on that island given to them by us, the
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  Speaker 2: Australian taxpayer. A police chief on the island said he
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  Speaker 2: thinks the illegals are given just enough food and fuel
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  Speaker 2: to get back to Indonesia and have no choice but
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  Speaker 2: to beach these vessels on the sand. And while this
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  Speaker 2: is all happening, we have to remind ourselves the bloke
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  Speaker 2: in charge of keeping the borders safe and secure is
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  Speaker 2: the hapless Immigration Minister Andrew Giles, who just happens to
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  Speaker 2: be a great mate of the Prime Minister who's still
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  Speaker 2: not been sacked. And of course the equally inept Claire
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  Speaker 2: O'Neil is the current Home Affairs minister. What a pair
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  Speaker 2: they are.
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  Speaker 3: What the problem at the moment is is the people
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  Speaker 3: smugglers have smelt weakness. They know that there is an
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  Speaker 3: incompetent immigration minister in place, that they know the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister is weak because he won't get rid of him
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  Speaker 3: or he's waiting to the reshuffle to do it, and
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  Speaker 3: so they're going to keep testing the government. And that's
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  Speaker 3: why we need the Prime Minister that stand up and
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  Speaker 3: say that the borders will not be breached and we
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  Speaker 3: will send everyone back, and he should do it today.
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  Speaker 2: That was danteene on Sky reacting to this story today.
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  Speaker 2: Now O'Neil's office refused to comment to The Australian about
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  Speaker 2: this seemingly new tactic of handing out new boats to
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  Speaker 2: illegal boat people. I mentioned dejou vous because we all
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  Speaker 2: remember during the last years of labor how the people
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  Speaker 2: smuggling numbers absolutely exploded. Now I look back today on
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  Speaker 2: a twenty sixteen media release put out by the then
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  Speaker 2: Minister for Home Affairs, Peter Dutton. He was quite rightly
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  Speaker 2: celebrating eight hundred days of no boat arrivals in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: making the point that under the previous Rudd Gillard governments.
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  Speaker 2: Eight hundred boats arrived carrying fifty thousand illegal immigrants. Twelve
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  Speaker 2: hundred people were estimated to be a drowned at sea.
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  Speaker 2: Will never know how many exactly, and there were eight
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  Speaker 2: thousand children in detention. It seems those criminal gangs who
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  Speaker 2: made a fortune with this insidious trade smell the chance
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  Speaker 2: to make money again. Boy, I hope I'm wrong. Let's
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  Speaker 2: bring in National MP and scoregular Keith Pitt Keith, as
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  Speaker 2: I just said, the single biggest month for unauthorized arrivals
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  Speaker 2: by boat A real worry. Did you know we were
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  Speaker 2: handing out brand new boats for these people to go
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  Speaker 2: back to Indonesia?
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  Speaker 1: Well no I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: But we've all seen this movie before, Steve. No one
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  Speaker 4: wants to go back to those deaths that see an
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  Speaker 4: absolute tsunami of illegal arrivals. But the problem that we have,
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  Speaker 4: and it's multifil but the main ones this. The people
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  Speaker 4: smugglers have got a new selling point and that is,
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  Speaker 4: Minister Giles, if you can get to Australia, and even
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  Speaker 4: if you've got a criminal record, there's some chance that
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  Speaker 4: you'll be released. Because that's exactly what the labor government's
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  Speaker 4: been doing so I'm very concerned about this uptick in arrivals.
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  Speaker 4: We used to put them in a lifeboat, for example,
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  Speaker 4: which is very uncomfortable and not much good for anything
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  Speaker 4: else but getting them to safety. The idea that they're
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  Speaker 4: now getting gifted something which is available and be can
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  Speaker 4: be turned around and sent back, I think that's a
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  Speaker 4: significant challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Well, under of course the Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison governments,
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  Speaker 2: we brought in the idea of turnbacks. We did a
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  Speaker 2: deal with Indonesia and we said that's what we were
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  Speaker 2: going to do. It was less costly than sticking people
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  Speaker 2: on Nahru. But it seems this crowd they don't want Naru,
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to have anything to do with that.
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  Speaker 2: They never reopened that Christmas island shut. But who's making
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  Speaker 2: these boats? How much did they cost, where'd they come from?
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  Speaker 2: Why don't we know about it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they're all very good questions, and I'm sure that
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  Speaker 4: the Coalition will pursue those through estimates. But fundamentally, the
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  Speaker 4: world knew that when the Coalition was in government, this
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  Speaker 4: just would not be allowed. It wouldn't happen. You weren't
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  Speaker 4: getting here, you were being turned around. We were very
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  Speaker 4: public about our position and it destroyed the people smugglers trade.
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  Speaker 4: They had nothing to sell. Well, clearly they smelled weakness.
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  Speaker 4: They smell weakness in the water from the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 4: They smelled the problems that they have around now releasing
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  Speaker 4: individuals in my view and I think the majority the
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  Speaker 4: communities view, should never been released.
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  Speaker 1: There's real questions to answer now.
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  Speaker 4: I expect to for the State will go after the
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  Speaker 4: labor government on this and they should ask those questions
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  Speaker 4: and get answers.
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  Speaker 2: And we you know, we heard last week we've had
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  Speaker 2: record numbers of rivals by aircraft of illegal both or
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  Speaker 2: migrants overstaying visas and entering the country. So if I
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  Speaker 2: asked you the simple question, does it seem again we're
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  Speaker 2: at risk of losing control of our borders? What would
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  Speaker 2: your answer me?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's definitely an escalation that that is the risk.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not just the illegal arrivals, it's the actual
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  Speaker 4: arrivals six hundred and fifty thousand a year plus the overstayers.
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  Speaker 4: And they wonder why our missions are going up, Steve, and.
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  Speaker 2: You wonder why rents are going up? Why there's no
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  Speaker 2: one No I can afford to buy a house. Let's
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  Speaker 2: turn our attention to the PM. I don't know he
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  Speaker 2: was in Queensland today, your state, spooking his future Made
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  Speaker 2: in Australia package announcing Labour's new candidate I think for
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  Speaker 2: the seat of Ryan. The PM, well, he couldn't help
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  Speaker 2: himself demon eye the coalition's nuclear power plan again. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what he had to.
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  Speaker 5: Say, uncosted, no timeline, can't say what will happen. Cleenchain,
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  Speaker 5: LMP can't even agree with themselves. David Christopher Foley gave
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  Speaker 5: a statement, a big speech at a conference where nuclear,
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  Speaker 5: as the word say, didn't pass his name. That's because
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  Speaker 5: he knows it's a crop.
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  Speaker 2: He calls it a croc. Now Labour's leadership, they're telling
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  Speaker 2: other MPs other than the Prime Minister Jim Chalmers I think,
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  Speaker 2: and Chris Bowen not to talk about it. So clearly
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  Speaker 2: they're getting some polling. I would think Keith, that tells
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  Speaker 2: them that a lot of Australians are actually quite comfortable
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  Speaker 2: with the idea that we need nuclear in the mix
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Simpsons memes went down like a brick
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  Speaker 1: and tile glider.
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  Speaker 4: I think that was their first problem and the idea
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  Speaker 4: that the US, the UK, France, and a lot of
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  Speaker 4: other countries around the world or read utilize this technology
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  Speaker 4: and are building more. It provides about ten percent of
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  Speaker 4: the world's electricity right now. And if your selection criteria
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  Speaker 4: pretty straightforward, if you want the most affordable, the most reliable,
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  Speaker 4: and zero.
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  Speaker 1: Missions, this is the only option.
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  Speaker 4: There are no There are no others except for very
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  Speaker 4: very expensive ones where you've got to build two systems,
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  Speaker 4: tens of thousands of kilometers of transmission, and a whole
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  Speaker 4: pile of other pain for Australian electricity users and consumers
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  Speaker 4: in terms of the price. So I think mister Alberineze's
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  Speaker 4: actually he's pulled the wrong rain on this. You can't
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  Speaker 4: say to the Australian people that yes you're for nuclear submarines.
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  Speaker 4: Yes we'll put our defense personnel inside those nuclear submarines,
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  Speaker 4: will utilize that technology, will build a domestic industry, but
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  Speaker 4: we won't use it to generate electricity, which just boils
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  Speaker 4: water to create steam. I don't think the people will
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  Speaker 4: be fooled.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's wedged, isn't he. Though he can't go back now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's got mad. Chris Bowen running around the
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  Speaker 2: country making all sorts of promises about where we're going
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  Speaker 2: to end up in five ten years. But it's not
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  Speaker 2: going to happen. But they're completely trapped. They can't now
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  Speaker 2: say Okay, well maybe we should consider nuclear it's not
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  Speaker 2: going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: Keith, Well, if we win the next election, I think
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  Speaker 4: they'll change their mind, Steve, And that is the choice
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  Speaker 4: for the Australian people. And I think every single Australian
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  Speaker 4: needs to consider where they are right now. Do they
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  Speaker 4: feel better off? Do they feel more secure? Do they
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  Speaker 4: feel safer? Do they feel that they've got more money
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  Speaker 4: to spend? I mean we're at the Treasurer screaming about
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  Speaker 4: how he's got real wages moving for how long now?
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  Speaker 4: But to go in the wrong direction. People are worse
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  Speaker 4: off under this labor government. They'll continue to be worse
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  Speaker 4: off and I think we will see the results of
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  Speaker 4: that at the next campaign. And electricity is a big
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  Speaker 4: part of it. And I hope you keep sending Chris
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  Speaker 4: Barwon out mate. He is our best as set.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is he? Ever? He's doing wonderful things for the coalition.
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  Speaker 2: While we're on climate and energy. Gas apparently report this morning,
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  Speaker 2: saying Labour's Green rating system proposal would actually reject the
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  Speaker 2: gases an energy source. There's a sustainable investment under their
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: draft framework. I mean we're going to now demonize gas.
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  Speaker 2: The PM responded to that today was asked about it
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  Speaker 2: while he was in Queensland.
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  Speaker 5: Here he is, what we've announced is a future gas strategy.
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  Speaker 5: We think that gas has an important role to play
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  Speaker 5: in firming capacity for renewables.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what Tanya, Plibask and Ermov were talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how does he say that with a straight face.
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  Speaker 4: If you look at the IEMO report for twenty fifty,
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  Speaker 4: gas will only be around fifteen giga what's from memory?
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's not a large proportion of what they're planning
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  Speaker 1: to install.
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  Speaker 4: You've got Labour's environmental action network who are winning, mind you,
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  Speaker 4: and the state level where they're banning gas appliances for example,
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  Speaker 4: how we warned the Australian people this would happen at
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  Speaker 4: the last election and this is exactly where we're at.
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  Speaker 4: So Labour says on one hand that yes, we love gas,
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  Speaker 4: we need more of it, we want to keep the
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  Speaker 4: lights on, but at the level where it matters with
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  Speaker 4: the public services holding forward policy where these groups are
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  Speaker 4: putting forward recommendations, there's no gas included, and yet it
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  Speaker 4: is one of the greatest resources in this country that
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  Speaker 4: we can use. Victoria is about to have an enormous
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  Speaker 4: shortfall because the Victorian government simply won't develop any gas.
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  Speaker 4: And guess what that is going to cost everyone a
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  Speaker 4: lot of money for gas prices, for power prices, and
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  Speaker 4: more importantly, for fertilizer prices, which has to drag through
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  Speaker 4: the food price. This is why the cost of living
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  Speaker 4: continues to go up because they just can't get the
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  Speaker 4: fundamentals right. The Labor Party are just completely disconnected from
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  Speaker 4: the reality of an everyday Australia.
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  Speaker 2: And Victorian labors even merse. You've got an energy Minister there,
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  Speaker 2: Lily d Ambrosio, who's told everybody as of January one
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  Speaker 2: this year, so six months ago, if you build a
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  Speaker 2: new house or build a new showroom for your business
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  Speaker 2: or whatever you build, you have, no gas is banned.
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  Speaker 2: You can't connect it up. No gas, so you've got
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  Speaker 2: to go and buy an expensive electric stovetop.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the thing what happened for the people
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  Speaker 4: who actually have gas installed, who decided that was a
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  Speaker 4: good choice for them, and when there's a blackout, it's
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  Speaker 4: a very very good choice. It keeps working, but the
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  Speaker 4: price will continue to go up because there won't be
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  Speaker 4: anyone utilizing it. So I just think this is foolish.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever happened to the consumer being able to make a choice.
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  Speaker 4: Why should the government decide what it is that you
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  Speaker 4: cook with, or you use for your laundromat, or actually
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  Speaker 4: use to drive your car. Why is it that the
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  Speaker 4: government has to decide where your house is, what it
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  Speaker 4: looks like, how big it is, whether it's got all
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  Speaker 4: sorts of different attachments for people with a disability, what
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  Speaker 4: sort of stove you'll use, what car you'll drive to
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  Speaker 4: work and when, and things that just won't practically work.
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  Speaker 1: This used to be a country where you were free.
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  Speaker 4: You're able to make your own decisions based on the
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  Speaker 4: things that best suited you, not ones that are directed
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  Speaker 4: simply by government.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly common sense gone out the window, Keith Pitt, thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much, Grady with it well. New UK Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Sir Kissed Armas made his debut on the world
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  Speaker 2: stage today. I was watching it this morning. He had
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: a rather awkward meeting with President Joe Biden today. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: that was all part of the seventy fifth NATO Summit.
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  Speaker 2: Starmer was held in the UK's continued backing for Kiev
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  Speaker 2: and he held bilateral talks with his European and Western counterparts.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now, our longest serving foreign Minister, Alexander Downer
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  Speaker 2: joins us. Great to catch up with you again. Big moment,
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  Speaker 2: I guess for the new British PM to be in
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  Speaker 2: the White House talking to the US President.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, it is, but he's got up to a good start.
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  Speaker 7: He said all the right things and in particular demonstrated
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  Speaker 7: to support the UK is providing to Ukraine. And that's
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  Speaker 7: an important message for him to deliver straight away because
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  Speaker 7: his predecessors, quite a lot of them. His predecessors were
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  Speaker 7: very determined to support Ukraine. And it's a good start.
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  Speaker 2: What's it like when you turn up at the White
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  Speaker 2: House and have an audience with the serving president of
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  Speaker 2: the US. You would have done it? I have.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, it's well, it sounds childish to say it, but
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  Speaker 7: it's very exciting. There's no doubt about it. The President
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  Speaker 7: of the United States is not just the president of
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  Speaker 7: that country, the leader of the free world. And if
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  Speaker 7: you've got half an answer to spend with the leader
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  Speaker 7: of the free world. It's a huge opportunity which I
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  Speaker 7: found when I was the Foreign Minister with George W. Bush,
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  Speaker 7: an opportunity to say you really say on your country
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  Speaker 7: and try to persuade President to do the right thing
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  Speaker 7: want him to do.
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  Speaker 2: Alexander. On the UK election itself, it was the nightmare
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  Speaker 2: that everyone was predicting. The Conservatives were smashed and I
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  Speaker 2: know they've got five year terms in the UK, but boy,
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  Speaker 2: it's a long way back for them, isn't it.
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  Speaker 7: It is a long way back for them. They'll have
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  Speaker 7: to re energize themselves, not just in attacking the government
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  Speaker 7: of the day and as important oppositions do that effectively,
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  Speaker 7: but they need to start thinking through what they stand
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  Speaker 7: for again, and if they can do that successfully over
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  Speaker 7: the next couple of years, they'll start to rebuild public support.
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  Speaker 7: But they lost a lot of public support by being
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  Speaker 7: so unsuccessful on handling the issue of immigration, by spending
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  Speaker 7: too much money, by running up huge public debt, partly
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  Speaker 7: because of the COVID crisis, admittedly, but they didn't leave
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  Speaker 7: the country and in stood a shape as conservative voters
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  Speaker 7: would have expected. Them to and a lot of Conservative
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  Speaker 7: voters either stayed at home or some of them defected
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  Speaker 7: to support the insurgent party of Nigel Ferrari, which is
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: called Reform.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you about immigration. I mean,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: you spend a lot of time in the UK, You've
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: seen what's been happening across the English Channel, and you're
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: uniquely positioned because you were in the middle of the
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Tampa affair. Two things here. Does the new Labour PM
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Steer have any appetite to secure the borders? I mean,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: is he going to get tough on this stuff?
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: Well, it's a bit like the election of the Rudd
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: government after the Howard government. They abandoned the offshore processing
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: scheme we'd set up in n Arrum. And what Starmer
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: has done is abandoned the Rwanda Plan, which was a
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: plan for offshore processing as well to provide a disincentive
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: for people to cross the channel a courtesy of people smugglers.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: So he will find that they will continue to come
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: and come in large numbers and then have to start
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: thinking again about how to stop that.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: I mean there are two things about immigration. One of
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: them is people are It's not that they're against immigration.
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: They want to have regulated and controlled immigration, and in
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: the UK it's been pretty uncontrolled in recent years. And secondly,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: they want migrants when they come to the country to
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: integrate into the country into adopt the basic values of
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: the country. And the Conservatives weren't very successful in dealing
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: with that issue either. You saw the Labor Party vote
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: was only thirty four percent. They lost five seats. The
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: five seats that the Labor Party lost in an election
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: that they won were seats that were won by independent
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: Muslim candidates, Muslim activists who were campaigning against the Labor
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: Party's policy on GASA. And so this is a dangerous thing.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: And you've seen not the same but similar issue in
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: France as well, and Germany and Italy and Netherlands and
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: so on, and unless European countries and for that matter,
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: the United States where I am at the moment. Yet
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: on top of these they will find that more and
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: more people would affect a populous political movements which are
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: determined to try to integrate migrants and stop illegal immigration.
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's the key to it all.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Anthony Alberineze is going to face
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a similar problem Alexander with the potential of some Muslim
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: independence in our next election. Just for you go, can
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I ask you about the NATO someone in Washington, DC,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you would have worked closely with NATO in your time
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: when you're a foreign minister. How important is that alliance
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: that it holds together given what we're witnessing in Ukraine
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: from Russia.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Well, it's the single most important of all the Western alliances,
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: and that it's critically important that they show a sense
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: of unity and in the context of Ukraine, show a
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: determination to support not just the Ukrainian but to make
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: sure the Russians are defeated, because that will send a
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: message to other countries which are determined to undermine the
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: position of the West. Iran of course, with all its
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: surrogates in the Middle East, Hamas, Hezbala, the Huthis and
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: so on, they are just Iranian urrogance. And also, most
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: importantly to US China, to make sure China understands that
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: whilst the West is happy to collaborate China and work
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: with China, it will not tolerate China acting in a
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: way which uses its political and economic way and military
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: to change the statequo. And so the NATO alliance is
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: very important in that context. I mean, they're all saying
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: the right thing, but they have to make sure all
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: of the members that they spend sufficiently on defense, that
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: they provide defense support to the Ukrainians, and that there
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: is a sense of harmony amongst them.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Alexander Danna all was a pleasure to catch up. Thank
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: you very much.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: It's a great pleasure.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break. Now we'll go back to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the question about energy. Australia obviously is facing what I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: describe as an energy crisis. Labor is pushing this green
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: fantasy on us. An energy expertill join us to tell
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: me if we are actually on the right path. Plus
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: another massive blow to the Biden campaign. Welcome back Steve
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Price in for Chris Kenny. I show you some vision
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: in a moment of Donald Trump's son, Baron Trump. He
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: got a hell of a reception at a rally in Florida,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and you won't believe it when you see him. He
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: looks exactly like his old man. I think he's well
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: over six foot tall, but he got a standing of
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: oation at that rally in Florida. It seems like he
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: may be a politician in the making. Who knows We're
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: going to want to get back to the energy crisis
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that this country's facing with our grid under more and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: more pressure as we know, we've had warnings that we
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: could have blackouts this year, particularly in New South Wales
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: and Victoria. Victoria is facing the prospect of running out
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: of gas, which is completely ridiculous given they're sitting on
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: top of massive gas reserves. Now, despite that, the Labor government,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and we're going to have an election either this year
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: or next year, will continue to push this rush toward
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: green policies. Now, their policy is they want to reach
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: fifty percent renewable energy by twenty thirty. Think about that,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty not long away. It's about five and a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: bit years and one hundred percent renewable energy using solar
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and wind and a bit of hydro, no coal and
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: very little gas. It's a hell of an ambitious target.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: But is this the path we ought to be going
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: down given the energy assets that we have in this
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: country and look at what it's doing to our electricity
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and gas bills. Now joining us tonight to discuss this
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: is energy economist and author of this book it's called
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: The Unpopular Truth about electricity and the future of energy.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: We're joined by doctor Lars Schernekau, who is in our
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Queensland studio. Doctor, I mean we've seen this playbook before,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: haven't we. Germany went down a similar path to the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: one where attempting to go down. How's it turned out
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: for them and how's it going to turn out for us?
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Do you think? Well?
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  Speaker 8: Thank you greetings Kenny. Germany has not had the best
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: experience when it comes to energy. If you think about it,
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: Germany has been so called in a given energy transition
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: in German for about twenty years of spend trillion orders
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: roughly on it, and energy bills have gone through the roof.
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: The energy prices have multiplied in those twenty years, so
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: I don't think it's gone very well.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So it's told renewables are the cheapest form of energy,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: is that right?
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: It's an interesting one. There is a measure called levelized
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: cost of Electricity l COE which actually shows that wind
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: and solar are very cheap. And the problem is that
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: the way this measure works, it just it cannot compare
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: it and especially not use it for wind and solar.
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: If you think about it, electricity is not a product.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: It's not a kilo. What our electricity is actually a service.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: It's to have electricity available all the time when you
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: need it. And you have to price this in a
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: different manner because you actually have to have a whole
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: system that's required to make electricity available. By just counting
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: kilobo are produce generated by a solar panel and costing that,
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: that does not give you the system cost. And that's
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: the problem. When people say that wind and solar is cheap,
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: it's actually not when it comes at a total system level.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And what they don't factor into that doctor is of course,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that solar panels and wind turbines have an end of life.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: They have a use by date. I mean, they don't
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: last forever. And you know when you have the nuclear debate,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: that's completely different. So we would have to replace all
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of these millions of solar panels and wind turbines at
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: some point, and then you have the question of courses.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: What's it going to do to your landscape?
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: I mean absolutely if you think about it. Actually three
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: problems with wind and solar. Number one is the energy density.
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: There's only so much energy available per square meter that
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: comes from the sun or from the wind that you
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: can use, you have to collect. The second is actually
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: the intermittency, right, it's not available all the time.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: That means you have to have storage.
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: Systems, backup systems, you have to have a whole system
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: to manage it, transmission infrastructure. And the third one is
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: what you just said. The third one actually is is
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: the fact that it doesn't last very long. That means
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: you have to replace this anti infrastructure every few years.
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: The most modern solar panels that are produced now in China,
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: of a utility scale, they don't last any more twenty
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: twenty five years. They last twelve fifteen years. They're so optimized,
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: they're so thin that they don't work. But Kenny, look,
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: I mean to take a step back. Let's understand we
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: need to see a way forward when it comes to energy.
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: We need to invest in the future of energy. Are
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: called the new energy revolution. And we cannot forever a dick,
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: you know, fossil fuse out of the ground. I mean
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: and when I say forever, not for hundreds thousands of years.
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: We have a few hundred years left. Definitely. The problem
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: is that by finding this solution, we have to invest
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: in R and D to find that, and of course fusion.
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: Fission is part of that. There's maybe geothermal part of that.
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: I don't know. There's other things we don't even know yet.
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: But one thing is that just pure physics dictates that
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: wind and solar in its current form cannot ever be
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: part of that solution.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, very smart man once said to me, now, if
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you said a deadline, you're going to have to make
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that deadline. You're pushing yourself into a corner. We're just
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: trying to rush this stuff too quickly. I think, Lars,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: that's the problem. I mean, you look at Melbourne, for example,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: in southern Australia. Next week, three or four days, the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: top temperature is going to be around eleven or twelve
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: degrees celsius. There's going to be no wind, it's going
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to be still, and there's going to be heavy cloud cover,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: and so you're not going to have much sunshine. I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: mean by we're going to have fifty percent of our
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: electricity generated by wind and sun. How is that going
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: to work next winter in Melbourne?
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: Well, of course it cannot work without significant backup systems
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: and the future. Of course, there's the belief that storage
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: can replace that backup system, but the fact is today
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: is that it's call and gas fired power that has
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: to be on standby, has to be available. And obviously
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: the more wind and soul you have, the less you
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: utilize those backup systems, the higher the costs becomes, again
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: contributing to the total system cost. So no, it doesn't
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: work if you now turn off your power stacks. As
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: Germany has turned off all its nuclear and it's planning
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: to turn off all its coal, and I think there's
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: similar plans here here in Australia.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You're going to run into trouble.
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: I mean you literally, the lads will literally turn off.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: There'll be some level headed people around the world looking
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: at Australia saying that these people are crazy. I mean,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: we've got huge reserves of gas. We've got Okay, you
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: can argue that perhaps coal has to be phrased out,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: but not immediately. We've got lots of it. We've got
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: huge amounts of uranium. And yet we're having an argument
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: about not ever having nuclear. We don't have much, we
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: don't have much energy that comes from hydro. But why
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: would a country not utilize its best assets, which it
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: exists in the ground and owns.
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know. Look, honestly, for me, this
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: debate actually is not political. I know it's often made
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: political by both sides of the spectrum. For me, it's not.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: It's the basis of who we are, our development, our
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: human our and dusty development. And of course you always
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: need a mix of resources to use, and Australia is
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: so lucky. You have these resources in the ground. You
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: are the major or one of the major coal experts
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: in the world. You have the cheapest form of electricity
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: that's that's coming from coal worldwide. I mean thirty six
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: percent globally comes from coal. China fifty five, almost sixty
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: percent comes from coal, India seventy percent, almost seventy percent
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: comes from coal. And Australia is planning to turn it off.
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: It doesn't make sense, I'm sorry. You have to use
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: your own resources at the lowest cost, the least environmental impact.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: How you do that by investing in it, putting up
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: the newest coal technology, putting up the newest you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: mining technology. You have some amazing high coal your operative
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: minds that I've seen here.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: So use that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: It's much cheaper, much better, much cleaner for the environment.
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: Because as you said for wind and solar, there's a
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: few things you need and where do where do these
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: things come from? They don't come from Australia or not
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: all of it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Your books called The Unpopular Truth about Electricity in the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Future of Energy in summary, what does that tell me
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: if I read that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: Book, Well, it basically tells you what we just talked about.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: That if you think about the future, we have to
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: invest in this new energy revolution. We have to invest
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: in R and D to find that new cleaner, more efficient,
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: more energy dense source of power. And that takes R
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: and D. And until we have this solution, what you
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: have to do, you have to invest in your existing system,
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: which is today when it comes to electricity, of course coal, gas, nuclear, hydro, geothermal,
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: all those things. But don't forget energy is not just electricity.
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: Electricity is only forty percent of total primary energy use.
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: There is sixty percent that's for transportation, for heat, for
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: industry use. People forget these things. And when Germany says,
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: you know we are now majority renewable, well then the
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: fact is that there are thirty five percent roughly wind
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: and solar, electricity and total energy after twenty years and
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: one trillion dollars six percent primary energy use from wind
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: and solar. This gives you a sense that there's much
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: much more than just electricity, and it's a bit more complex,
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: which I like you and the Big explains these these contents.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so lucky to be able to tap into your
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: expertise on this last Thank you very much for your
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: time tonight. Well let's go to the US now.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier when I was turking to Alexander Downer
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that the US President Joe Biden is hosting NATO, but
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: he's also losing support for his run at the presidency
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: day by day, concerns again growing around his mental fitness.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, how the bloke at his age, in his
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: condition can hang in there is beyond me. But a
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: huge blow to the Biden campaign today I read that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: a staunch Democrat, a fundraiser, someone who's raised millions of
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: dollars for Biden and the party, the Hollywood actor who's
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: really Hollywood Royalty, George Clooney, is turning his back on
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the president. He actually wrote a column for The New
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: York Times with the headline I love Joe Biden, but
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: we need a new nominee, And he writes in that
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: column quote it's devastating to say it, but the Joe
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Biden I was with three weeks ago at my fundraiser
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: was not the Joe Biden of twenty ten. He wasn't
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: even the Joey Biden of twenty twenty. He was the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: same man we all witnessed on the debate. Joining me
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: now is media research and a contributing Rada Stiffanie Hammel. Wow,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: that's a knoch between the shoulder blides for the poor
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: all president Stiffanie to.
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: Talk about a devastating blow. I mean, I've read a
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: word for word and I just can't imagine anything worse
• 33:24
  Speaker 9: for the Biden campaign. I'd like to be a fly
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: on the wall in their offices. So, as you pointed out,
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: George Clooney was the headliner for this campaign event that
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: raised almost thirty million dollars for Biden just three weeks ago,
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: and in his op ed he details that Biden was
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: exactly like what we saw.
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: On debate night.
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: What is interesting is that Clooney didn't bother to come
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: out and speak about this after the event.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: He brings it up now that everyone is piling on.
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: So some people are calling him a hero for speaking out,
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: while others are calling him a howard for not speaking
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: out sooner. But this could definitely be another nail for
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: Biden's campaign coffin if you will. As everyone is piling on,
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: we see a lot of his former friends in the
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: media and allies and people who've shielded him and provided
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: cover over the years are finally speaking honestly. But again,
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: it's rather ironic because these are the same people who
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: just a few weeks ago were telling us that any
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: video that we saw Biden that made.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: Him look bad, even if it was live or you.
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: Know c SPAN interview, that it was a quote cheap fake,
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: don't believe your own eyes.
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: Are now telling us to believe our own eyes. You know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: the polling.
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: Shows that Biden is lagging in some of the key
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: swing states. It's going to be really hard for him
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: to make the case that he should be re elected.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: And we did recently watch the ABC interview with George Stephanopoulos,
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: and that was supposed to be his comeback interview to
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: prove to the people that his mental acuity is strong,
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: but that backfired as we saw it actually didn't do
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: what they intended for it to do. It did the
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: complete opposite, and now again people are hitting the panic button.
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: We also learned that there's another interview coming up on
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: Monday on NBC with host Lester Holt, where Biden again
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: is going to try to make the case that he's
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: mentally capable to run the country.
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: But I can't imagine that is going to.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Go so well.
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure if you saw the recent reports about
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: these local news stations who interviewed Biden, who were given
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: questions in advance, and yet still Biden failed those interviews.
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: In one of the interviews, he was talking about how
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: he was the first black woman president.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, you can't make the stuff up.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: It is sad, it's also pathetic and is also concerning
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: as an American that this is the person who is
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: in the White House calling the shots.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Steffanie, you and I have been around the media long
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: enough to know how these things work. If you're going
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to have an operate in the New York Times about
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: whether Biden runs or not, authored by Jeorge Clooney, you've
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: got to expect Clooney offered it up. I mean, I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: not sure that the New York even, I mean the
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: New York Times are not going to be sitting around
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: their editorial board table, going, I reckon Clooney's turned on Biden.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: It would seem to me, and I don't know, but
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: it would seem to me that Clooney's gone, well, I've
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: got to step in here, I've got to write this piece.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be the one that sends him over the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: edge and we can get on get a decent Democrat candidate.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it would make one believe that The New York
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: Times is all in on this effort to have Biden's
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: step aside, or else they wouldn't be publishing it, right,
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: because there's editors and people who make the decisions on
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: what goes in the paper. So we have seen a
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: lot of negative pieces come out and Bien or pieces
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: questioning again his mental acuity. So it seems like a
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: lot of the people in the media are on board
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: with Biden stepping aside, And obviously there's a lot of
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: question on what that would look like, how that would happen.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: But I will say there are still a few loyalists in.
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: The media who are standing by Biden's side, and some
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: loyalist Democrats who say they're friends of Biden and they're
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: going to stick with them, and when people talk about that,
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: it makes you wonder well, so as Biden running the
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: country or not if you support Biden. So there's a
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: lot of contra, you know, a lot of controversy and
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: speculation about who is running the government and what things
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: could potentially look like as we continue on with this campaign.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: If I told Steffanie hamml six months ago that the
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: New York Times and George Clinty were going to turn
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: on on Joe Biden, you would have called me crizy.
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, And you know, it is interesting to hear what
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: hollyfood folks have to say about politics. I usually criticize
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: those in Hollywood because they tend to lean left, and
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: it's always the leftists who speak out. But how much
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: weight does their endorsement carry. I mean it has some weight, right,
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: they have followers, but as you saw in twenty sixteen,
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: all the political endorsements from all the big celebrities and
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: stars weren't enough to get Hillary Clinton over the finish line.
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: And you know, if you look at what's going on
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: in this country for regular average Americans, they are tired
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: of the elitists telling them what to think, how to vote,
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: and when we are dealing with the inflation, prices, groceries,
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: the economy, and everything else that is hurting the American people.
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: I really have a feeling that they probably don't care
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: what George Clooney or any of the Hollywood elite have
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: to say.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Let's finish up by talking about Donald Trump. He had
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a big rally in Florida. And I note that his
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: youngest son, Baron, who's certainly grown up. Boys, he told
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: let's take after his mother. I guess he made his
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: first political rally appearance and got quite a reception. Have
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: a look at this.
• 38:45
  Speaker 10: He is now going to college, gunning down every college
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: he wanted to and he made his choice.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And he's a very good guy.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, future presidential candidate. Maybe.
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: I went to check Twitter to see what everyone was
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: saying about it, and all of the Trump supporters were
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: wondering if this is the future of the Republican Party.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Baron Trump is a bit of a.
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: Mystery, right because during the Trump administration he was a minor,
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: and so a lot of people didn't spend a lot
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: of time talking about Baron Trump. Of course, there were
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: some very rude journalists who would target him forgetting the
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: fact that he is a miner and he should be
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: left alone. But now he is eighteen years old and
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: he seems to be politically active. We've seen him quite
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: a few times with his father. We also heard his
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: father brag about how intelligent his son is and that
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: his son does have an interest in politics. So it
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: is fascinating to see him out on the campaign till
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: supporting his dad. And as I pointed out, Trump supporters
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: can't get enough of it.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks a lot Lucky's father, I'll got to
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: say Stiffani hammel great to catch up.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: Thanks a lot, Thank you.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the bright. Now, there's a council in
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Melbourne called the Yarra Council. They're basically crazy, a bunch
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: of greenie lifties. They're encouraging residents to become wait for it,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: vegetarians in the name of climate change. I'm not making
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: this up. I'll have that story up next with the panel.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price in for Chris Kenny. Now
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: most most Australians would never have heard of Melbourne's Yarra Council. Now,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: very happy if you don't live there, and if you
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: think of going to live there, Can I give you
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: some advice? Don't if you thought they couldn't get more woke,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: have listened to this. Yarra Council had a meeting this
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: week and they're pushing for the residents of Yarra Council's
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: place like North Fitzroy and Collingword Abbots, for those sort
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: of places Inner Melbourne to act on the climate emergency.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: So the council thinks it can fix global warming by
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: itself and they want their residents to move toward a
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: vegetarian diet using active and public transport. I think that
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: means ride a bike or catch tram and shifting their
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: banking away from fossil fuel investments. The council also look
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to traditional Aboriginal land management. These places are full of
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: concrete roads, buildings, you know, cheap public housing. They want
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to use management practices by Indigenous Australians. Two and I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: don't know what this means decolonize the urban landscape. I'm
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: not making it up. Let's bring in tonight's panel joining
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: me as step Mate Studios founder Mark Nicholson. He joins
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Mark Kenny on a regular basis. Plus Daily Telegraph journalist
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Tim Blair. Tim ever been to Yarra Council area.
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: Mate, Mate, I used to live in there a council
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: quite a long time, various places in Collingwood, Richmond, North
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: fitz Roy. Then I was I decolonize myself from the area.
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: But this is if they are legitimately talking about introducing
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: Aboriginal land practices, well maybe that's a good thing for
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: that area. I mean, maybe we'll see some backburning that
• 41:59
  Speaker 11: could That wouldn't go well with people have got there
• 42:01
  Speaker 11: two million dollar properties in the earth. Not a cheap
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: place to live these days.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: No, it isn't mark. You are in Melbourne, you would
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: travel through that part of the city. I was there
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: last week. I had to drop someone off in Smith Street, Collingwood.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: The joints covered in graffiti. Mate, it looks like a dump.
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah, mate, you've rattled me.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Steve.
• 42:21
  Speaker 10: I'm not just a resident of the city of Yarrow.
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: I'm a ratepayer of the city of year So a
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: lot of us that are walking around the neighborhood today
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: just going what are they vaping at town hall at
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: the moment to come up with this ridiculous policy, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: for a pack of progressives, this might be the most
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: regressive policy I've ever seen. They literally want to tear
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: down the foundations of what we've got and destroy it all.
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: And you're right, it's covered in graffiti. There's needles everywhere
• 42:52
  Speaker 10: because of that safe injecting room in Richmond. I've got
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: a fortnightly bin pick up which is infuriating the residence.
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: Let me tell you that, you know, there's a lot
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: of issues in the city of Yarra, but handballing, you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: because there's all this is this just consulting off to
• 43:05
  Speaker 10: indigenous groups at this point, so that what they're doing
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: is just handballing accountability and responsibility to those people while
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: they can appease the handful of lefty wocusts that are
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: annoying the counselors on a weekly basis for not doing
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: enough about the climate emergency.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I expect, I expect you're going to ride your bike
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: hone tonight and have a mung bean stew for dinner.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Is that on the go.
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: It's a classic way to enjoy your Thursday night's dave.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Of course, it's a classic cashing. Don't have a beer
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: on the way home either, that's not allowed, Jim. I
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: read your column in the tele Telegraph today. This nonsense
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: about renaming everything with an indigenous name. It started with
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Cooks River. I mentioned on the show last night there's
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: a proposal to rename it Goo lay Yari. I hope
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I'm pronouncing that correctly. A big article by you today,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and I think you stole the idea for me because
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I mentioned last night a ridiculous AFL where every team
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: had an indigenous name and no one knew who was
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: playing who and where.
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I noticed that on the AFL's description of
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: that round, the Nichols Round, is that they claim that,
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: you know that whatever the words they came up with
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: for Port Adelaide were a literal translation, because of course
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: you would have had, you know, prior to settlement, you
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: would have had a word for port. There would have
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: been you know, words are regarding you know, shipping and
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: so on and trade. It's it's it's it's insulting to
• 44:35
  Speaker 11: Aboriginal Australians as well, this sort of thing, because it's
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: so tokenistic and so and so fake and so pretending.
• 44:40
  Speaker 10: You.
• 44:40
  Speaker 11: I mean, the name that they want to introduce for
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: Cooks River, the name that you and everyone else would
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: struggle to pronounce when when we first see it, it
• 44:49
  Speaker 11: includes an apostury. For for God's sake, it's like some sort
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: of posh Pommy surname or something. It's it's not reflective
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: at all of the culture they're trying to boost, but
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: actually insulting.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I think, mate, and look, I had the pleasure when
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I was a young reporter in South Australia. I went
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: and interviewed Sir Doug Nichols. Because he became the Governor
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: of South Australia. He had a little silver making workshop
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: in the back of Government House. He was the nicest
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: bloke you could ever meet, champion footballer and was never
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: winging about anything to do with the fact that his
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: life had been dreadful. Larry was in Government House, all
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: dressed up, having a wonderful time. Let's turn our attention
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to another great Australian, our old mate, Malcolm Turnbull. Now
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: he turned up on my other TV show, The Project,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: earlier in the week and made some comments about Peter Dutton.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Here's what the Great Malcolm had to say. Well, he's
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: a thug.
• 45:44
  Speaker 12: Peter's got one tune that he plays.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I mean it's been to all his political life and
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: that is division and animosity. Now, if you're called a thug,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: you'd think you'd fight back, but Peter Dutton's turned into
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: a nice bloke now. I don't know if that's going
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to help him in the election or not. He went
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: on TGB with our old mate Ray Hadley. Here's what
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: he had to say about mister Turnbull.
• 46:06
  Speaker 13: I just think people can see through it and I
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: wish him the best. I think he diminishes himself by
• 46:13
  Speaker 13: making his comments. Malcolm, he's got an act to grind.
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: I think it's sad.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Mark. Has Malcolm ever featured in your cartoon series?
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: He has as the as the man from Snowy Hydra Because,
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: as we uncovered last week as well on the on
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: the show about the super funds and the new unions
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: funding funneling money back to the Labor Party for green energy,
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: that actually talks a lot about why Malcolm got in
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: front of the project and decided to call Peter think one.
• 46:45
  Speaker 10: He's angry, of course, because Peter was the reason for
• 46:49
  Speaker 10: the big spill that got rid of him out of
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: the top job. But then of course he's got a
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: lot of interest in pump hydro and renewables as well,
• 46:57
  Speaker 10: so by going down this nuclear path it absolutely hits
• 47:01
  Speaker 10: him where it hurts the most, which is his hip pocket.
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: But yeah, it's just real caddy and petty sort of
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: discourse from Malcolm Turbule. It's very odd because Peter Dunnet
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: he didn't seem like a thug. Even his response wasn't
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: a thug.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: He's like a copper.
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: He's just he's not even like one of those street
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: cops that would beat you up and take the money
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: that should have been evidence in putting in his pocket.
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: He's like one of those straight laced, goody two shoe cops.
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: He's kind of boring in Vanilla. I don't get it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Every time I've ever met Malcolm, he's told me how
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: wonderful a bloke he is, So you know that that
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: makes no sense Malcolm Turble most of the time, but
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: he does tell you he's the smartest bloke in the room.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Tim I had Pauline Hanson on the program last night. Boy,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: it was entertaining viewing. She was in Maryborough, Queensland, out
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: in the front of some museum. She was told by
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Cancel Staff, Hey, you can't stand next to a statue
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: of Mary Poppins because Mary Poppins is a politically I
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: have a look at this.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Our staffer came from the camp.
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: Someone's told me that I can't film here next to
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: Mary Poppins because they're apolitical, and told me't be here.
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: I tied them get lost. I'm doing the interview here.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I thought.
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: I'm sick and tired of being bullied around. I'm second
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: tired of these people. This is the second time today.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Steve.
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: Fantastic, Tim Well. Senator Hanson is obviously unaware of the
• 48:17
  Speaker 14: long established Queensland rule about Mary Poppins's proximity interviews. You
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: can't be within five meters of any statue of the
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: famous picture.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: What this is? That was the best piece of television
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I've ever been involved in. I thought she was fantastic.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Mark and Tim. Great to catch up with you both.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for tonight. I'll be back tomorrow
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: night at six o'clock a special look at a Rupert
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Murdoch documentary that will go to next week on Sky.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I started working with mister Murdock. I can't wait to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: watch it. I'll talk to you tomorrow night, Normal time