Latest / Coopers' Code / How Coopers LLP Won a Historic $142,000,000+ Oregon Trucking Crash Judgment
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- 0:00There was a crash that occurred on a Fremont bridge in Portland,
- 0:03OR. Our client was just heading to a
- 0:07doctor's appointment. All of a sudden a large 53 foot
- 0:13Freightliner truck behind him does not slow in time, slams
- 0:17into the back of our client and creates A5 car pile up.
- 0:22When the vehicles came to rest, our client's vehicle was
- 0:27unrecognizable, left as a pile of metal.
- 0:32Our client had to be extracted, doesn't remember any of the
- 0:36details of the crash, and wakes up in the hospital sustained
- 0:40such significant injuries. He was a tetraplegic now and
- 0:45forever paralyzed from the chest down.
- 0:48Howdy and welcome to the show. Today's Cooper's Code is going
- 0:52to take a look at a recent judgement that the firm obtained
- 0:55in a trucking case. How that judgement was reached,
- 0:58the the hard work that was put into it and the long term
- 1:02implications for the trucking company involved as well as our
- 1:06our client. So without further ado, I'm I'm
- 1:09thrilled to have Andrea Posey return to the show.
- 1:12She's a partner with the firm and have Cory Jolie, an attorney
- 1:16with Cooper's as his first time. Thanks.
- 1:18Thanks for joining me today. Thanks for having me again,
- 1:21Miles. Thank you so much.
- 1:23I'll be here. Andrea, if you could go ahead
- 1:28and and help us understand a little bit of the facts of the
- 1:31Lockhart case so that we can start talking a little bit about
- 1:35how the prosecution was done and and how the case was built up
- 1:38ultimately to the the record setting judgement that that the
- 1:41team was able to obtain. Absolutely.
- 1:44So Miles, we pursue all of our cases relentlessly and try to
- 1:51get the best result for our client.
- 1:52But this case was particularly close to home for us because the
- 1:57plaintiff in this case, our client, it was a close relative
- 2:01of an employee in our office. And unfortunately, this case
- 2:06involves a trucking case similar to other trucking cases that
- 2:11result in very extensive injuries.
- 2:14There was a crash that occurred on the Fremont Bridge in
- 2:17Portland, OR. Our client was just heading to a
- 2:21doctor's appointment, typical morning like any other day, and
- 2:25all of a sudden traffic slows down on the Fremont Bridge.
- 2:29Our client, wearing his seat belt, doing everything right, is
- 2:33breaking, slowing down, coming to a complete stop with traffic.
- 2:37All of a sudden, a large 53 foot Freightliner truck behind him
- 2:44does not slow in time, slams into the back of our client and
- 2:48creates A5 car pile up. When the vehicles came to rest,
- 2:54our client's vehicle was unrecognizable, left as a pile
- 2:59of metal. Our client had to be extracted,
- 3:03doesn't remember any of the details of the crash, and wakes
- 3:06up in the hospital sustained such significant injuries.
- 3:10He was a tetraplegic now and forever paralyzed from the chest
- 3:15down. The significance of this case
- 3:18and why I say it's similar to other trucking cases is a lot of
- 3:22the time you have truck drivers who are fatigued and we're not
- 3:27complying with the federal regulations.
- 3:30And this case is no different. And we can get more into the
- 3:33truck driver and the truck company's responsibilities.
- 3:37But it it left our client with life altering injuries and he
- 3:40was only 37 years old. Am I correct that the the
- 3:44vehicle that that Richie our client was in was a a Subaru
- 3:48cross track? Correct.
- 3:51And, and I say that only because when people see the photos,
- 3:53they'll understand what you mean when when you say that the the
- 3:57vehicle was completely unrecognizable.
- 3:59Absolutely. The other pieces that I think
- 4:02are are helpful for the folks listening to understand in terms
- 4:06of how the case got built was learning a little bit about who
- 4:10Richie was before the incident, that that he had been a veteran
- 4:14and how he was working on himself at the time that this
- 4:19happened. Can you help us understand a
- 4:21little bit about who he was at the time that the collision
- 4:24happened? Yes, as I mentioned, Richie was
- 4:2737 years old at the time of this crash.
- 4:30He after high school, he decided to go into the Air Force and he
- 4:36had served his country for years.
- 4:39Part of that was teaching other members of the Air Force, and he
- 4:44particularly loved teaching. He had retired and was starting
- 4:48to work, not only heading toward a teaching career, but also
- 4:54physical fitness, health and athleticism was really important
- 4:57to him. So he was finding himself
- 4:59training daily, even doing fitness competitions, also
- 5:03teaching people at the gym how to eat healthy.
- 5:06You know, his, his life was on this trajectory where he
- 5:09realized that teaching was something he really wanted to
- 5:11pursue and, and family and friends and everything meant the
- 5:16world to him. As the case came in, Andrea, can
- 5:20you start to unpack what you did to build the liability case
- 5:29against the trucking company based on some of the the initial
- 5:33impressions and and some of the things that you start to learn
- 5:37about the case? Yes.
- 5:39So knowing that this was a trucking case, and I've had
- 5:43trucking cases in the past, one of the big things, as I
- 5:46mentioned, we run into is the federal regulations that the
- 5:51trucking companies don't seem to follow, that the truck drivers
- 5:55don't seem to follow. And what I mean by that is
- 5:58federal law caps commercial truck drivers at 11 hours behind
- 6:02the wheel. The reason for that is because
- 6:05fatigue drivers can lead to increased crashes and trucking
- 6:10companies and truck drivers are required to report in their
- 6:13hours. In fact, they have digital
- 6:15equipment to do so. And sometimes they don't do it.
- 6:18And sometimes the if they do do it, the trucking company is not
- 6:22logging those and checking those and making sure that everything
- 6:25is accounted for as it's supposed to.
- 6:27So I had suspicions that maybe that was in play as a cause of
- 6:32the crash. I've also worked with a trucking
- 6:36expert in the past and contacted him for some insight on this
- 6:42case and how we would move forward with discovery.
- 6:45Of course, we want to get all of the relevant documents,
- 6:48including daily logs, meals, breaks, things of that nature,
- 6:52training for truck drivers, safety, everything.
- 6:56The truck, the trucking company, training for the driver.
- 6:59We started to get that and I realized that there was a
- 7:03pattern here. And what I mean by that is this
- 7:07wasn't just a negligent driver, it was a negligent company.
- 7:12The trucking company had 38 tracks on the road and their
- 7:17owner couldn't even explain the federal hours of service to me
- 7:21after the crash that paralyzed our client.
- 7:24The trucking company never even reviewed the driving logs.
- 7:28Couldn't remember if he ordered a drug alcohol testing for the
- 7:32driver and our truck driver essentially never underwent any
- 7:36training. In fact, his response when I
- 7:38asked him about training was I've got a driver's license, why
- 7:42do I need training? So I was seeing a pattern of
- 7:45both a negligent driver and a negligent trucking company.
- 7:49So given the the fact that this was a rear end collision with
- 7:54pretty clear liability and a lack of safety in the in the
- 8:00infrastructure of this trucking company, the real question
- 8:04wasn't whether we'd win, it was how we collect.
- 8:07And so that became my goal and it shaped every strategic
- 8:13decision that we made going forward.
- 8:15On the collection side, when I hear a trucking company that has
- 8:1938 trucks, let me start by asking some more basic
- 8:23questions. Was this trucking company
- 8:25located in Oregon? It was not.
- 8:28It was a trucking company out of Indiana, and a lot of the
- 8:36employees, including the owner and the truck driver, were
- 8:41Ukrainian. And I say that only because a
- 8:45lot of the employees were actually based out of Ukraine.
- 8:49So it's not like things that were happening in real time.
- 8:51We're being monitored in real time.
- 8:54When I hear a trucking company with with again with 38 trucks,
- 8:58collectability doesn't seem like it as as big a concern.
- 9:02I would expect an entity that was that large would have
- 9:06stacked layers of policies. I I presume the defence counsel
- 9:10was was forthcoming and and helpful in terms of turning over
- 9:14how much insurance information was there.
- 9:17You would think hearing 38 trucks that there would be a
- 9:20policy for every truck and sufficient insurance.
- 9:24That is not the case. In fact, the rules only require
- 9:28that a trucking company have 750,000 in insurance.
- 9:33We were at least fortunate that the underlying policy was a
- 9:36million through discovery and and as you said, we always hope
- 9:41that defense counsel is forthcoming with information
- 9:44about available insurance doesn't happen all the time.
- 9:48And I'm sorry, I, I want to revise 'cause that makes it
- 9:51sound like it's defence counsel. Sometimes it's counsel,
- 9:55sometimes it is the defendant. And I, I don't mean to cast any
- 9:58aspersions on the defence counsel in this case.
- 10:01So my understanding is, is as we've, as we've learned through
- 10:04the case that the defendant itself was challenging in terms
- 10:10of obtaining information from from insurance to logs to
- 10:14etcetera, not just for you but but for defence counsel as well.
- 10:18Correct. And I appreciate the
- 10:20clarification. Defence counsel in this case was
- 10:22actually very nice and a pleasure to work with and had a
- 10:27challenging time with their client, the trucking company,
- 10:30turning over information. And in fact, even when I deposed
- 10:34the owner of the trucking company, he knew he had
- 10:36insurance and he thought that he had an umbrella policy, but he
- 10:40couldn't remember exactly how much and had to check later and
- 10:44get back to me in further discovery.
- 10:46So we did learn that there was a 1,000,000 under underlying
- 10:50policy. We also learned that there was a
- 10:521,000,000 in umbrella. But we it wasn't until we got
- 10:56further in the case that we realized that the owner of the
- 11:00trucking company had actually been communicating with his
- 11:04broker and was offered an additional 4 million in
- 11:08insurance and explained to him that he should have additional
- 11:14insurance just given the fact that trucking cases usually can
- 11:18be catastrophic. And he asked for that additional
- 11:21policy and thought that that additional policy was in place.
- 11:24And it turned out that it actually wasn't, which really
- 11:27impacted this case, given the severity of Ritchie's injuries.
- 11:31And just to to clarify that piece, the owner of the trucking
- 11:34company had requested that the policy be bound.
- 11:39Thought the policy was bound. Turns out the broker had not
- 11:42bound the policy. Correct.
- 11:45OK. I think we'll get to that more
- 11:47down the road. I want to also explore other
- 11:50avenues and, and, and the thoroughness with which the case
- 11:53was looked at because there were concerns about collectability.
- 12:00Did you also do things in terms of having experts look at the
- 12:05truck itself to see if there are any sort of defects or failures
- 12:08there? We did.
- 12:10One of the things that we did very early on was bring in an
- 12:15expert to inspect the Freightliner truck that caused
- 12:20the crash. A lot of the time, as I
- 12:23mentioned, there's electrical data on there that can be
- 12:25extracted that can tell a certain thing.
- 12:27So, for instance, we obtained the police report from the
- 12:30incident and the driver mentioned that there was an
- 12:34issue with the brakes that he had braked in time and there
- 12:37must have been a problem with the brakes.
- 12:39From from the download of the data from the truck, we could
- 12:42tell that that was not the case. It would tell us at what time he
- 12:46started breaking. And given how long this 53 foot
- 12:50truck was, our experts can say a vehicle of that length would
- 12:54take a certain amount of time to come to a complete stop, and he
- 12:57simply just did not engage his brakes quick enough and couldn't
- 13:01stop at that point. Also in the in the category of,
- 13:05of looking at all the potential avenues, my understanding is, is
- 13:07there were a fair number of skid marks on the bridge in that
- 13:13location that indicated that there was a history of slowdowns
- 13:16in that area of rapid slowdowns. And I know that there was an
- 13:20evaluation and ultimately an added defendant in terms of the
- 13:24Department of Transportation for Oregon.
- 13:28That also turned out to be a a more challenging case.
- 13:31Two if I understand correctly. You're correct, yes.
- 13:35One of the things we did notice in photographs and you know, the
- 13:41Google images of the Fremont Bridge, there appeared to be a
- 13:45lot of skid marks, scrape marks indicating that there were a lot
- 13:49of crashes here. When we dug into that, as you
- 13:52mentioned, that's why we brought in Oregon Department of
- 13:55Transportation as a defendant. When we dug into that, we
- 13:58learned that that was actually the case.
- 14:00And it's surprisingly the amount of crashes on the Fremont Bridge
- 14:06ranked in the 95th percentile for crash risk statewide,
- 14:11particularly rear end crashes. It was more than three times the
- 14:16state average. So it just goes to show you that
- 14:19a lot of the interchanges there was confusing to driver.
- 14:24The signage was such that people were not realizing they had to
- 14:28merge until last minute and traffic would back up causing
- 14:32crashes. So it definitely was an area
- 14:34where there were a lot of crashes and there were not
- 14:36significant warnings. So we did resolve the case
- 14:40through a settlement with the Oregon Department of
- 14:42Transportation. They they definitely bared some
- 14:45liability in this in addition to the bulk of the liability being
- 14:49on the truck driver on the trucking company.
- 14:52That goes back to why they're regulations related to driver
- 14:56fatigue and and making sure that there is a well trained
- 15:02conservative professional driver.
- 15:06And it is because sometimes those drivers are going to areas
- 15:09where there's uncertainty on the roadway.
- 15:11And in our particular situation, this truck driver had been
- 15:15driving for 18 hours and 5 minutes, so well over the 11
- 15:20hour period that's provided by law.
- 15:23At this point, I'd love to dive into some of the motion practice
- 15:28that ended up having to be done and, and how that set the stage.
- 15:32And, and Corey, you're nodding along to the extent that you
- 15:35were involved in this process as well.
- 15:39I, I, I'd love to, to unpack the work that needed to be done to
- 15:43help convince the defendant to turn over material, the
- 15:47sanctions that were involved and, and, and the way that the
- 15:50defendant did a pretty good job of, of pissing off the court.
- 15:54Yes, we fortunately we had a great judge in this case and she
- 16:00was great because we were dealing with a difficult
- 16:04defendant in the trucking company.
- 16:06And again a lot of this is because the trucking company was
- 16:09just not being response responsive to its own counsel.
- 16:12But we would ask for certain documents and we wouldn't get
- 16:16those which would then make it difficult during depositions.
- 16:19We didn't have the material that we needed to examine the truck
- 16:23driver and the owner. So finally, after various
- 16:27motions, we started seeking harsh sanctions against the
- 16:32trucking company. And the judge was great.
- 16:34She would initially set a timeline for the trucking
- 16:38company to respond with documents and material.
- 16:41And if they didn't meet that, then we would be back in court
- 16:44and she would make a harsher sanction.
- 16:46So it got to the point where the court ordered that the truck
- 16:54driver had exceeded federal driving limits, that he was
- 16:59incompetent and unqualified to be driving, and that the
- 17:03trucking company was aware of all of this and allowed him to
- 17:06drive anyway. And the significance of that is,
- 17:10as we'll talk about later, we ended up doing a, a damages
- 17:16hearing where the liability had already been decided by the
- 17:19court. So we had that part of the case
- 17:23nicely, you know, Pendock before we headed into the damages
- 17:27hearing. And, and a lot of that was
- 17:29because the sanctions or which also put a lot of pressure on on
- 17:32the defendants. The discovery motions, request
- 17:36for sanctions. These are not the beautiful fund
- 17:39motions. They are.
- 17:42They're not the ones that you go home and tell your wife about
- 17:45and that you're excited about for that day.
- 17:48But what's great about them is that they hold defendants
- 17:52accountable and they hold defendants accountable,
- 17:55particularly when you have a good judge like we have in this
- 17:58case. And we came back, we showed the
- 18:02judge over and over that we were seeking relevant documents, that
- 18:07we were prosecuting our case. The judge saw that and rewarded
- 18:12our diligence. And I'll also add that we, we
- 18:15asked for monetary sanctions. The main reason is not that, you
- 18:19know, the little bit of money that would have been added would
- 18:22have really done anything considering the severity of
- 18:25Ritchie's injuries. But we, we did get awarded I
- 18:29believe around $5000. And where we use that to our
- 18:33advantage was we eventually went to a mediation in this case with
- 18:36defendants and we had real concern about whether we were
- 18:42going to be able to get the defendant, particularly the
- 18:45owner of the trucking company, to show up at mediation.
- 18:48We knew we would have a difficult time moving the case
- 18:51forward in any meaningful resolution without having him at
- 18:54the mediation. So we said that we would forego
- 18:58the 5000 monetary sanctions against the trucking company if
- 19:03he showed up at mediation and participated.
- 19:06So that was a little bit of leverage that we got to use and
- 19:10he agreed to grow up and he stayed the whole time and
- 19:13participated in mediation. So that was also helpful as
- 19:16well. As we tie off collectability and
- 19:19and various analysis related to the case, I think one of the
- 19:21things that that some people listening might, might trip is
- 19:25well, you know, it's a trucking company that is operating 38
- 19:31trucks. It must own and all of these
- 19:35things and there must be some collectability related to the
- 19:38entity itself to unpack that. Well, trucking companies
- 19:42sometimes on the surface might look like they have things.
- 19:46A lot of times it's leases, it's subleases, it's not great pieces
- 19:53of equipment to begin with. And and and the collectability
- 19:57profile for this company beyond the insurance was was is
- 20:01challenging an understatement. Challenging is an
- 20:05understatement. Yes, we absolutely looked into
- 20:08that when we realized that the insurance was going to be wholly
- 20:12insufficient to compensate our client.
- 20:15Definitely look into the assets of the company.
- 20:17But as you mentioned, a lot of these trucks were leased.
- 20:20The company had equipment, it was leveraged, it was they were
- 20:25having trouble paying their employees.
- 20:28By the time we got to deposition, they had already
- 20:31sold off some trucks. Some of their employees were no
- 20:34longer with the company. They were, they were headed
- 20:37toward a place where the company was going to be wrapping.
- 20:42We also uncovered some evidence that pieces of the company were
- 20:46being transferred to various other entities and we and the
- 20:52company's business property was sold for $10 to a family member.
- 20:57So we started to suspect that perhaps there were some
- 20:59fraudulent transfers going on, which we also used as leverage
- 21:04heading into the mediation. And, you know, there's, there's
- 21:08nothing that gets defendants more concerned than the risk of
- 21:11periodic damages or fraudulent transfers or things like that,
- 21:15that, you know, we're going to come after them outside of the
- 21:18insurance. Understood.
- 21:20Given the challenges of undoing transfers, given the limited
- 21:24value of these properties or marginalized assets that were
- 21:28being moved around, the thing that that seemed to have more
- 21:30value than anything else was the failure on on behalf of the
- 21:34broker. Is that is that fair?
- 21:36Correct. So our our plan was to move
- 21:41forward with a mediation, see if we could get all available
- 21:46insurance, get the case wrapped up with ODOT and then then we
- 21:53would pursue a second phase. What, what would be next?
- 21:59Part of our settlement was, as I mentioned, not only all the
- 22:04available insurance, but an agreement that we would proceed
- 22:09to an uncontested prima facie hearing with the trial court
- 22:14where the trial court would decide the amount of damages to
- 22:20be awarded to Richie for his injuries and the losses that he
- 22:24sustained. But along with that is an
- 22:27assignment from the trucking company to pursue a claim
- 22:32against the insurance broker. So that was all of of what we
- 22:36were seeking at the mediation. And I know that was a lot.
- 22:38So I'm happy to unpack some of it if you'd like me to.
- 22:41I think it's a good opportunity to talk in generalities about
- 22:46broker negligence and insurance bad faith cases.
- 22:49And I'm saying in generalities because they vary from the state
- 22:52to state in terms of how the law works and bad faith and broker
- 22:56negligence are are different animals in certain respects in
- 22:59terms of statutes of limitations.
- 23:01But from from a broad perspective, given that you've
- 23:05had a fair amount of experience with the second phase analysis,
- 23:12it doesn't happen often. Maybe one out of 51 out of 100
- 23:17the the carrier fails to defend, or a broker fails to bind and
- 23:24there is exposure for a defendant that otherwise has
- 23:29limited collectibility. Am I reciting that correctly?
- 23:32Correct. Yes.
- 23:33OK. Within that that realm, again,
- 23:37speaking generally, the issue in those cases is the
- 23:43enforceability of a judgement in the case.
- 23:48And, and what I mean by that is if you're going to go into that
- 23:52next phase, you don't want to have to reprove the damages or
- 23:55have the damages attacked. And the way you do that is by
- 23:59having a judicial officer or an arbitrator, somebody who is not
- 24:06invested in the process, review the evidence and make an
- 24:09appropriate finding as to the value of the case.
- 24:12Yes. So following the mediation, our
- 24:14next phase was to have this prima facie hearing for damages
- 24:20with our judge in Multnomah County, Oregon.
- 24:25And it's it's similar to a regular trial where we have to
- 24:29go and present our evidence. So we get together experts who
- 24:35usually will testify through sworn declarations but are also
- 24:39available if the court has questions.
- 24:41A lot of the times we have life care plans, we have medical
- 24:46experts to talk about Richie's injuries and damages and all of
- 24:51that is presented to the core. An important piece of that is
- 24:54the non economic piece. So in this situation we had our
- 24:58client, his mother, his sister talk about the non economic
- 25:04component. And what I mean by that is the
- 25:06pain and suffering the the day-to-day struggles that Richie
- 25:10has even to date and going forward in his future,
- 25:15everything that he deals with and how his life has been
- 25:17impacted by this crash. We present all of that to the
- 25:21court and then the court makes a determination of what his future
- 25:27looks like and how we can best compensate him for the injuries
- 25:29that he sustained. Corey, looping you into this
- 25:32conversation, to what extent were you involved in working on
- 25:39either the declarations from the experts life care plan the OR
- 25:44working with the witnesses to help the judge understand the
- 25:47full magnitude of the harm that Richie suffered?
- 25:49Yeah, absolutely. I will say I was less involved
- 25:52with getting the expert witness declarations together, but I was
- 25:57involved in prepping the well, we called it a trial brief
- 26:01internally because we treated it like a trial.
- 26:04What we turned in was named prima facie hearing brief, but I
- 26:08was heavily involved with getting our prima facie hearing
- 26:11brief together and making the story digestible and impactful
- 26:17for the judge because that was the ultimate decider of the
- 26:20value of this case and working with the witnesses that we
- 26:24chose. Again, as Andrea mentioned, it
- 26:26was it was our client, his mother and his sister and
- 26:30getting together their stories so that we could let them tell
- 26:34it and we could really give them the stage to let the judge know
- 26:40who Richie was before the incident and how it impacted him
- 26:44in a way that you can't get from words on a paper.
- 26:48I think now is, is probably an appropriate time to talk about
- 26:52the demand, the request in terms of, of the judgement.
- 26:55And, and the reason I bring this up is because one of the things
- 27:00that I think might, might get people's attention in this case
- 27:03is, is the ultimate outcome. The the the judge, if I recall
- 27:07correctly, entered a judgement of 142 million and it was a
- 27:14record setting judgement for Oregon, for just Multnomah
- 27:18County, or for the entire state. Entire state.
- 27:22The entire state. And I recognize that that a
- 27:25judgement in front of a judge is not the same as a fully
- 27:33contested head to At the same time, any judge who is looking
- 27:40at an incident has to stand behind the numbers that the
- 27:45judge is putting down on on the verdict form and has to pass
- 27:51the, the muster of, of that judge knowing that other, other
- 27:54people in the courthouse are going to say, wow, you know,
- 27:57that was a big number. How can you stand behind that?
- 28:00And so they need the information to be able to do that.
- 28:03So can you help us understand why you were willing to to to
- 28:09make such a big ask, and why other lawyers who might be in
- 28:14the same situation should think about making a big ask if they
- 28:17want to get a big result? So as you mentioned are we ended
- 28:22up with a judgement of 142 million in this case and my
- 28:26recollection was that about 125 million of that was specifically
- 28:31non economic damages alone. The economic damage portion was
- 28:36pretty simple because we had a life care plan and clearly
- 28:40Richie would need a significant amount of care going forward for
- 28:45the rest of his life. But the non economic piece was
- 28:48significant because he is paralyzed from the chest down
- 28:52his entire day. It consists of needing care and
- 28:57assistance and the strain that that puts on him, his family,
- 29:03especially at a young age of 37. So what we wanted to do was
- 29:08explain to the court how we get to that big number.
- 29:12And we looked at not only the pain and suffering for all of
- 29:16the days in the hospital and the thereafter during some of his
- 29:20recovery, but up until the time of our trial, what his future
- 29:24looked like for the rest of his years.
- 29:27And at 37, that's significant. So we, we broke that down and my
- 29:32recollection was it was we figured between around 10,000
- 29:37per day for every day of suffering past and future.
- 29:41And you know, we did a calculation like that.
- 29:43So it was something that the core can sink their teeth into.
- 29:46That seemed reasonable. So that's how we got to such a
- 29:49big number. And you can use any kind of
- 29:51calculation that feels right, but usually it's something so
- 29:55that it doesn't seem like you're just picking some arbitrary
- 29:58number out of the sky. The number has to have some
- 30:01basis so that you could look at the judge in the face and, and
- 30:05mean it when you say the bid number, which I believe was 150
- 30:10and then reduced. And here we meant it.
- 30:14And here there were damages to support every single dollar.
- 30:18What we learned was that Richie had grown to a place in his life
- 30:23where he was free, independent, getting stronger every day,
- 30:28getting smarter every day. And the incident took all of
- 30:33that away from him. And what it left was a life
- 30:37where he had to rely on his family, his caretakers, and the
- 30:43conversations that his family were having weren't centered
- 30:46around how excited they were for what stage he would go into his
- 30:50life, but rather who's going to take care of him next after mom
- 30:56passes. So the number isn't arbitrary,
- 30:59but if the damages are there, make the ask.
- 31:02Staying with you for for a moment, Corey, this was your
- 31:06first opportunity to examine a a witness in like this.
- 31:13I have gotten to do some preliminary hearings before as a
- 31:17law student, but this was my first and I'm going to say it
- 31:20with quotes on my fingers. Trial, yes.
- 31:24I think one thing that the other lawyers, whether one is working
- 31:29with younger lawyers or 1, is a younger lawyer themselves.
- 31:33Any takeaways from your experience of what worked for
- 31:37you, what you want to do differently in terms of how you
- 31:42approached this particular witness?
- 31:45And and and not to to feed you lines, but for example you use
- 31:49photographs in the examination. Yeah.
- 31:52And so I I will start by saying the one lesson that's been a
- 31:56through line throughout my blog career is to listen to the
- 31:59people who have more experience. And I'm blessed to be on the
- 32:03team where everybody had more experience than me, and I get to
- 32:07learn and absorb all of it. But yeah, I think I did some
- 32:13really important things with her, with the Witness, which was
- 32:16letting her tell her story and giving her that platform.
- 32:20And the thing I'm proud of is that she shared with me photos
- 32:25of Richie, of him participating in a weightlifting competition.
- 32:29And as someone who is very far away from a dumbbell at all
- 32:33points in my life is seeing, seeing him shining, glistening
- 32:40and strong it, it really inspired me and it gave a nice
- 32:45contrast to where Richie was in his life.
- 32:48Things I always want to improve on is asking better questions, I
- 32:53think. I think I asked good questions
- 32:56and I did a good job of anticipating even though there
- 33:00it wasn't a contested hearing. I kept in mind the rules of
- 33:03evidence, but I think there were questions that would allow the
- 33:07witness to tell her story without being tripped up on the
- 33:11way I asked it, and it happened only a couple times throughout
- 33:15the hearing. But those have stuck with me and
- 33:18I will not ask them again in that way next time.
- 33:22Coming at it from from a different direction with, with
- 33:24you, Andrea, you and your team pulled all this together to be
- 33:29able to turn it into a comprehensive, I'll call it a
- 33:32package for the judge. If you were to be telling other
- 33:37people how to get this kind of an impactful judgement,
- 33:40anything, any takeaways for you that you feel really made a
- 33:44difference in this case? I always think it's good to
- 33:49start with a defendant's bad conduct.
- 33:52You've said this to me when early on when we first met at a
- 33:57good plaintiff makes for great outcome at trial, but a bad
- 34:01defendant makes for an even better one.
- 34:04And so a lot of the times and it depends on the case, but
- 34:06especially a trucking case, we start with the defendant's
- 34:09conduct and then move into the impact on our client.
- 34:13And as as Corey mentioned, make it specific so that the judge
- 34:19understands the day-to-day of what your client goes through.
- 34:23Because when the case it, when we get the judgment, the case is
- 34:26over for us, but it's never over for our client.
- 34:30And I say this all the time to people, it doesn't matter how
- 34:34big the number is. I've never had a client that
- 34:37would not give all of that back to go back to a day before the
- 34:41crash. We have to always remember,
- 34:44don't feel bad to ask for a big, big number when you believe in
- 34:49your case and you believe in your client because it, it's,
- 34:53it's valid. And so I think in this
- 34:56particular case, it was heartbreaking for all of us that
- 35:00worked on the case, especially having Richie be around some of
- 35:04our ages and knowing, you know, what he's gone through and what
- 35:07he's going to continue to go through.
- 35:09And as I mentioned, this was particularly a close to home
- 35:11case for us. So we really wanted the judge to
- 35:14understand just how bad this trucking company was and how
- 35:21they made decisions every single day that impacted people on the
- 35:25road. And in this situation, it
- 35:27absolutely changed Richie's life for our.
- 35:32My understanding is that the as a result of your prosecution of
- 35:37the the case, the trucking company is no longer in
- 35:40existence. That is true.
- 35:43Yes. I believe some other companies
- 35:45have been created, but they're not trucking companies.
- 35:48I I think they're just other, other companies.
- 35:52For this particular owner, all the trucks have been grounded.
- 35:55They're no longer in operation. As we kind of come into notes on
- 36:01this, what is the next phase? What happens with the judgement
- 36:05now? The next phase is, as you
- 36:08mentioned, a broker negligence case and what happens now is
- 36:13Richie becomes a plaintiff once again in this subsequent case.
- 36:18So as part of the settlement, the trucking company assigned
- 36:23it's right to sue this broker for not ensuring that the
- 36:27sufficient insurance was there that the trucking company had
- 36:31asked for. So by assigning that right over
- 36:34to Richie, Richie now steps into those shoes and gets to pursue
- 36:39the broker and the brokerage for the damages which are that
- 36:45different of insurance that should have been there and
- 36:48should have contributed to his case.
- 36:50So we will now be working with a law firm out of Dubuque, IA who
- 36:58is going to help us with prosecution of the broker
- 37:01negligence case against the broker and the brokerage.
- 37:05The lesson here being not stopping with the disclosed
- 37:09insurance, but in a catastrophic injury case, making sure that
- 37:13you you turn over every stone and and in this case turn that
- 37:18judgement into the potential for further collectability for
- 37:22Richie so that he is able to take care of himself as he gets
- 37:25older. Absolutely.
- 37:26And you know, even even what's likely to come from the broker
- 37:32negligence case, assuming that it is successful, still in no
- 37:36way will be able to provide Richie with the compensation
- 37:42that he will need for his future.
- 37:44But it's a step further than we were after just our personal
- 37:49injury case. So you're right, whether it's
- 37:52looking into punitive damages, assets, a bad faith case, a
- 37:59broker negligence case, explore every Ave. because it means a
- 38:04lot to the client and they need every dollar they can get.
- 38:09Any other lessons, anything else that you think our listeners
- 38:12should know about this case or or other other things in
- 38:16trucking cases? Particularly with trucking cases
- 38:20and in talking to our trucking expert, always be cautious of
- 38:28trucking companies and truck drivers following federal
- 38:31regulations. It seems to be something that is
- 38:35is happening in every single trucking case unfortunately.
- 38:40And and look for other avenues besides just the insurance that
- 38:45they're claiming because there's usually a way and most of the
- 38:49time these trucking companies are wholly inadequately insured.
- 38:55That was mouthful it. Was.
- 38:57To add on to that, I think having a modicum of, or maybe
- 39:02even on a healthy amount of intellectual curiosity as you're
- 39:06prosecuting the case, as you're going through the documents,
- 39:09yes, you probably have a good idea of what the documents are
- 39:12going to show, what's going to be in there.
- 39:14But allowing yourself not to be taken over by those assumptions,
- 39:18I think is one of the things that really helped US find all
- 39:23those different avenues that we pursued throughout this case.
- 39:28I want to thank both of you and Andrea Corey for, for taking the
- 39:31time to come on and and help break down what was done in this
- 39:35case. And, and I'm very hopeful that
- 39:38it will continue to go well for Richie as as the second phase
- 39:43goes forward. So thanks again.
- 39:47Thanks for having us. And thank you for listening.
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