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Heat Has a Memory? A New Discovery Challenges Our Understanding · The Quark Side - Quantum Physics Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Quarkside Quantum Physics Podcast, an exploration of
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  Speaker 1: the fundamental structure of reality, where quantum laws govern matter, energy,
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  Speaker 1: and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,
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  Speaker 1: and understanding begins at the smallest scales.
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  Speaker 2: Picture a cup of coffee just sitting on your kitchen
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  Speaker 2: counter slowly cooling down.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. A very tragic everyday occurrence.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It is just this incredibly relatable, undeniable fact of
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  Speaker 2: everyday life. The heat is moving from a warm place,
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  Speaker 2: so your freshly brewed coffee, out into a cooler place,
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  Speaker 2: like the air in your kitchen.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. And if you leave it there long enough, everything
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  Speaker 3: just balances out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you are left with a completely disappointing room
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  Speaker 2: temperature beverage.
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It honestly seems like the most straightforward rule in the
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  Speaker 2: physical universe, right? Heat moves from hot to cold until
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  Speaker 2: it evens out.
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  Speaker 3: It really does seem that simple. At the scale of
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  Speaker 3: our kitchens, or our bodies, our everyday lives, heat is
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  Speaker 3: remarkably predictable.
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  Speaker 2: It just dissipates.
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  Speaker 3: Right. It flows down a temperature gradient, it dissipates, and
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  Speaker 3: it never spontaneously reverses direction to make your coffee hot again.
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  Speaker 2: Thankfully.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels binary, clean, and just entirely intuitive.
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  Speaker 2: But what if we take that coffee cup and we
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  Speaker 2: shrink it down? I mean, zooming all the way down
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  Speaker 2: to the size of a modern, cutting-edge computer chip.
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  Speaker 3: That changes the game entirely.
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  Speaker 2: And what if, instead of watching it cool over 20 minutes,
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  Speaker 2: we observe that heat transfer over just trillionths of a second?
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  Speaker 3: Suddenly, that simple, straightforward rule completely shatters.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: We enter this microscopic realm where heat actually does something
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  Speaker 2: completely mind-bending. It behaves as if it has a physical memory.
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  Speaker 3: And that realization is just completely upending how we understand thermodynamics.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. Today, we are exploring a truly groundbreaking
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  Speaker 2: new theoretical framework proving that heat actually retains a physical
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  Speaker 2: record of where it has been.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what happened to it before. It fundamentally rewrites
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  Speaker 3: our understanding of thermodynamics.
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  Speaker 2: Which, I mean, it sounds a bit like science fiction,
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  Speaker 2: but we are talking about real verified physics here.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely real physics.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to uncover how this completely rewrites two centuries
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  Speaker 2: of textbook science, and most importantly, why this hidden memory
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  Speaker 2: is absolutely critical to the future of the technology sitting
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  Speaker 2: in your pocket right now.
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  Speaker 3: Because to really appreciate how revolutionary this new framework is,
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  Speaker 3: We have to start by looking at the specific rule
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  Speaker 3: that is being broken here.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the old rule book.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. For about two centuries, scientists and engineers have relied
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  Speaker 3: on one foundational, universally accepted principle to describe heat conduction,
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  Speaker 3: which is Fourier's Law.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's unpack this. Fourier's Law. This is like the
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  Speaker 2: absolute gold standard for engineers, right? The bedrock math.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it is the bedrock. I mean, since the early 1800s,
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  Speaker 3: it has been the mathematical rule that engineers use to
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  Speaker 3: predict how buildings will retain heat in a blizzard or
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  Speaker 3: how a car engine cools itself down on the highway.
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  Speaker 2: Or how quickly a cast iron skillet warms up on
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  Speaker 2: your stove.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. And Fourier's law assumes that heat flow at any
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  Speaker 3: given location responds immediately and only to the temperature gradient
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  Speaker 3: at that exact same location.
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  Speaker 2: So it treats heat like a person who lives completely
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  Speaker 2: blissfully in the present moment.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: Like a person with zero baggage, zero nostalgia, zero memory
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  Speaker 2: of what happened five minutes ago or one town over.
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  Speaker 2: They only react to the exact conditions directly in front
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  Speaker 2: of their face right here and right now.
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  Speaker 3: That is a brilliant analogy. Fourier's law describes heat flow
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  Speaker 3: as a strictly here and now phenomenon.
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  Speaker 2: Just reacting to what's right in front of it.
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  Speaker 3: Right. It is local, meaning it only cares about its
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  Speaker 3: immediate surroundings and it is instantaneous. And for massive everyday objects,
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  Speaker 3: that assumption works so amazingly well that we basically built
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  Speaker 3: the modern industrial world on it.
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  Speaker 2: But the here and now totally falls apart when we
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  Speaker 2: zoom into the nanoscale.
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  Speaker 3: It fails spectacularly. Like at very small length scales and
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  Speaker 3: very short time frames, it just doesn't hold up.
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  Speaker 2: Because things get a lot weirder down there.
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  Speaker 3: They do. To understand the mechanics of why, we have
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  Speaker 3: to look at what heat actually is inside a solid object.
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  Speaker 3: In a crystalline solid like... the silicon used in all
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  Speaker 3: of our electronics, heat isn't some invisible smooth fluid flowing
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  Speaker 3: through a pipe.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's not water.
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  Speaker 3: No, heat is carried by collective atomic vibrations.
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  Speaker 2: So the atoms are essentially locked in a grid, just
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  Speaker 2: jiggling around and bumping into each other.
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  Speaker 3: That's the visual, exactly. We call those quantized packets of
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  Speaker 3: vibrational energy phonons.
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  Speaker 2: Phonons, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine a mattress made of millions of tiny interconnected springs.
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  Speaker 3: If you strike one corner of that mattress with a hammer...
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  Speaker 3: that kinetic energy ripples through the springs.
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  Speaker 2: Just bouncing along?
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  Speaker 3: Right. At normal everyday scales, there are unimaginable numbers of
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  Speaker 3: these phonons bouncing around, carrying that energy, scattering off each other,
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  Speaker 3: and interacting constantly.
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  Speaker 2: So because there are literally trillions of them crashing into
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  Speaker 2: each other every single nanosecond, the overall effect just kind
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  Speaker 2: of smooths out. It's like... Looking at a massive crowd
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  Speaker 2: of people leaving a football stadium, zoomed out from a blimp,
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  Speaker 2: it just looks like a smooth, continuous, fluid flow of
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  Speaker 2: humanity out of the gates.
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  Speaker 3: But drop down into the crowd itself, and it is chaotic. Right.
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  Speaker 2: People are bumping shoulders, stopping to tie a shoe, changing direction.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. And at microscopic distances, and we are talking tens
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  Speaker 3: of nanometers here, and ultra-fast times, like picoseconds, Some of
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  Speaker 3: those phonons can actually travel significant distances before they crash
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  Speaker 3: into anything or scatter.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I see. So there's a delay. The energy gets transferred.
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  Speaker 2: But it takes time and distance before the phonon actually
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  Speaker 2: hits an obstacle.
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  Speaker 3: And that delay is the whole ballgame. Because of that
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  Speaker 3: delayed scattering, the heat flowing at a specific time and
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  Speaker 3: place is still actively carrying the kinetic energy and the
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  Speaker 3: physical influence of a temperature disturbance that happened earlier.
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  Speaker 2: Or somewhere else entirely in the material.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. The phonon simply hasn't scattered yet to lose that
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  Speaker 3: original information.
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  Speaker 2: So because it hasn't bumped into anything to reset its state,
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  Speaker 2: it brings the past into the present.
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  Speaker 3: Precisely. Which has historically been a massive headache for physicists
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  Speaker 3: trying to build smaller electronics.
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  Speaker 2: I can imagine. If the math doesn't work anymore, you're
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  Speaker 2: just guessing.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much. Depending on the material and the exact tiny
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  Speaker 3: scale you are looking at, heat transport starts acting in wild,
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  Speaker 3: unpredictable ways.
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  Speaker 2: Like what kind of ways?
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  Speaker 3: Well, sometimes it diffuses normally, obeying Fourier. Sometimes it acts
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  Speaker 3: what we call quasi-ballistic, just shooting straight through the material
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  Speaker 3: without resistance.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's spatially non-local or it even oscillates like a wave.
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  Speaker 2: Which means scientists had to use totally different isolated mathematical
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  Speaker 2: models depending on which of those specific behaviors they were observing.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds exhausting, honestly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like having different rule books for the exact same game
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  Speaker 2: depending on what quarter you were in.
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  Speaker 3: It was incredibly fragmented. I mean, you had one equation
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  Speaker 3: for diffusion, another for ballistic transport, another for waves.
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  Speaker 2: Just a mess.
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  Speaker 3: But that brings us to the breakthrough. Recently, two physicists,
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  Speaker 3: Jan Jun, J.J. Dong, and Yi Zhang, managed to unify
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  Speaker 3: all of these disparate behaviors into a single, elegant, mathematical description.
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  Speaker 2: They created one master framework to rule them all.
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  Speaker 3: They really did.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into their math, I have to
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  Speaker 2: push back on something here because it's the core of
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  Speaker 2: this whole concept.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: When we say a funon has a memory, we obviously
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  Speaker 2: aren't talking about nostalgia.
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  Speaker 3: No. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It isn't holding a grudge about where it came from
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  Speaker 2: or remembering its childhood. If we are breaking this down
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  Speaker 2: for a beginner, how exactly is this memory stored physically
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  Speaker 2: without a brain?
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  Speaker 3: It's a crucial distinction to make. The memory is entirely mechanical,
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  Speaker 3: not cognitive. Okay. Let's look at the physics of it.
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  Speaker 3: When a heat source strikes the material, a phonon is
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  Speaker 3: generated with a specific trajectory, a certain speed and a
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  Speaker 3: certain angle. Right. As long as that phonon travels through
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  Speaker 3: the crystal lattice without hitting another atom or an impurity...
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  Speaker 3: It maintains that exact trajectory and energy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so the memory is literally just its speed and direction.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Its current state is mathematically dependent on the exact
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  Speaker 3: force and angle of the heat event that created it,
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  Speaker 3: maybe 100 nanometers away.
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  Speaker 2: Just carrying that exact momentum forward.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. It only forgets that origin when it finally crashes
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  Speaker 3: into another atom, which scrambles its trajectory into a new,
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  Speaker 3: completely random direction.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that makes so much sense.
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  Speaker 3: And to track this journey before the crash... Dong and
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  Speaker 3: Zhang's framework uses what physicists call a spatiotemporal kernel.
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  Speaker 2: A spatiotemporal kernel. Okay, it sounds intimidating, but I'm guessing
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  Speaker 2: spatio just means space and temporal means time.
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  Speaker 3: You've got it. You can simply think of it as
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  Speaker 3: a highly advanced thermal response map.
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  Speaker 2: A map, okay.
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  Speaker 3: It calculates exactly how strongly a temperature gradient at one
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  Speaker 3: location from an earlier time is still actively contributing to
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  Speaker 3: the heat flowing at a completely different location right now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wow.
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  Speaker 3: What's fascinating here is how much this behaves like a
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  Speaker 3: complex highway system.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I like this.
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  Speaker 3: Think about being stuck in a massive traffic jam on
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  Speaker 3: the interstate.
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  Speaker 2: The worst.
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  Speaker 3: Right. But the dead stop traffic you are sitting in
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  Speaker 3: right now at this exact moment might actually be caused
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  Speaker 3: by a fender bender that happened five miles up the
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  Speaker 3: road an hour ago. Right.
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  Speaker 2: The accident itself has already been cleared.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The tow trucks are gone. The physical cars involved are
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  Speaker 2: miles away. But the ripple effect like the cascading wave
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  Speaker 2: of breaking cars has traveled backward down the highway and
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  Speaker 2: is dictating my speed right now.
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  Speaker 3: That is exactly it. The traffic flow retains the physical
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  Speaker 3: influence of an earlier distant disturbance. heat flow does the
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  Speaker 3: exact same thing at the atomic level.
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  Speaker 2: That is wild.
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  Speaker 3: And this thermal response map, this kernel, tracks the specific
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  Speaker 3: dimensions of that ripple effect.
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  Speaker 2: So if it's mapping a ripple effect through space and time,
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  Speaker 2: it must have to track both how long the ripple
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  Speaker 2: lasts and how far away it can be felt.
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  Speaker 3: That is the exact mathematical breakdown. The first dimension is
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  Speaker 3: temporal memory. This describes duration of The raw time it
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  Speaker 3: takes for the influence of an earlier disturbance to completely
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  Speaker 3: fade away into randomness.
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  Speaker 2: So how long the traffic jam lasts after the accident
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  Speaker 2: is physically gone?
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  Speaker 3: Precisely. The second dimension is spatial non-locality.
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  Speaker 2: Spatial non-locality.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. And this describes reach or distance. How far away
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  Speaker 3: through the physical material does that energetic influence extend before
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  Speaker 3: it completely dissipates?
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  Speaker 2: How many miles backward the wave of breaking cars stretches?
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  Speaker 3: Perfect. And here's the beautiful part that connects this massive
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  Speaker 3: breakthrough all the way back to the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, bring it full circle.
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  Speaker 3: Fourier's simple 200-year-old law. It isn't thrown in the trash.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: No, it mathematically appears in this new framework perfectly, but
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  Speaker 3: only as a special case when both of those dimensions,
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  Speaker 3: temporal memory and spatial non-locality, collapse to zero. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so Fortier wasn't fundamentally wrong. He was just only
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  Speaker 2: able to see a highly specific, zoomed-out reality where the
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  Speaker 2: memory was so short and the reach was so localized
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  Speaker 2: that it looked like zero to the naked eye.
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  Speaker 3: That is the magic of classical physics versus nanoscale physics.
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  Speaker 3: Once you zoom in and those dimensions stretch out, relying
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  Speaker 3: on a single number for thermal conductivity just doesn't cut
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  Speaker 3: it anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Here's where it gets really interesting, because they didn't just
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  Speaker 2: theorize this mathematical map on a whiteboard.
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  Speaker 3: No, they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: They actually proved it in the real world by putting
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  Speaker 2: it to the test with crystalline silicon at room temperature.
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  Speaker 3: And silicon is the ultimate test subject because it is
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  Speaker 3: the foundational building block of virtually all modern electronics. Right.
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  Speaker 3: To actually observe this memory in action, researchers use a
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  Speaker 3: highly sensitive technique called transient thermal grading.
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  Speaker 2: I was reading about this experimental setup, and the mechanics
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  Speaker 2: of it are wild.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing engineering.
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  Speaker 2: They essentially use ultra-fast laser pulses, right? They cross two
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  Speaker 2: pump lasers, so they interfere with each other, which blasts
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  Speaker 2: a temporary microscopic pattern of heat onto the silicon. It's
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  Speaker 2: like using lasers to paint a microscopic barcode of alternating
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  Speaker 2: hot and cold stripes right onto the surface.
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  Speaker 3: And once that thermal barcode is painted... They use a
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  Speaker 3: third laser probe to watch exactly how the heat from
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  Speaker 3: the hot stripes bleeds into the cold stripes.
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  Speaker 2: Just watching it fade.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. They watched it fade across spatial periods ranging from
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  Speaker 3: tens of micrometers all the way down to a few nanometers.
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  Speaker 2: And the results showed that silicon absolutely remembers. But the
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  Speaker 2: framework revealed something totally counterintuitive.
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  Speaker 3: It really surprised a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I would have assumed time was the big factor,
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  Speaker 2: but distance actually mattered more than time.
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  Speaker 3: It did. Between the two dimensions of the kernel, the
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  Speaker 3: spatial non-locality caused the biggest departure from ordinary textbook heat diffusion.
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  Speaker 3: Temporal memory still mattered, especially in the very earliest trillionths
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  Speaker 3: of a second. But the actual distance the heat carriers
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  Speaker 3: traveled dominated the material's behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Why is distance the bigger, more disruptive factor in a
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  Speaker 2: material like silicon?
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  Speaker 3: It comes down to the variety of the phonons. Silicon
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  Speaker 3: contains phonons with a very broad range of what we
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  Speaker 3: call mean free paths.
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  Speaker 2: Mean free paths.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the average distance of phonon travels before it
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  Speaker 3: crashes into something and loses its memory.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so they aren't all uniform.
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  Speaker 3: Not at all. Some phonons in silicon scatter almost immediately,
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  Speaker 3: but others are incredibly robust and travel comparatively massive distances.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
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  Speaker 3: At the nanoscale, you can't just pretend those long-haul phonons
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  Speaker 3: are only transferring energy to their immediate neighbors. They're literally
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  Speaker 3: bypassing the local traffic and delivering their kinetic payload far
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  Speaker 3: down the road.
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  Speaker 2: That completely shatters the here and now rule.
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  Speaker 3: Utterly shatters it.
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  Speaker 2: And because of this, under certain conditions, heat doesn't just
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  Speaker 2: spread out smoothly like a puddle of water on a floor.
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  Speaker 2: It can actually propagate like a wave.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The term for this is second sound. But wait, hold on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm having trouble visualizing that.
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  Speaker 3: It's tricky to picture.
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  Speaker 2: If heat is just random atoms jiggling and crashing into
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  Speaker 2: each other chaotically, how can it organize itself into a wave?
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  Speaker 2: Sound waves have frequency, they have a rhythm. How does
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  Speaker 2: chaotic heat suddenly get rhythm?
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  Speaker 3: That is one of the most hotly debated questions in
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  Speaker 3: nanoscale thermal physics right now.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And this new framework clarifies it beautifully. Previously, when
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  Speaker 3: scientists observed a heat wave oscillating like that, they immediately
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  Speaker 3: assumed the phonons had entered what's called a hydrodynamic regime.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning the phonons stopped acting like individual bouncy balls and
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  Speaker 2: started moving collectively altogether. Like a physical fluid flowing through
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  Speaker 2: a pipe.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. The assumption was, well, if it looks like a
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  Speaker 3: fluid waves, it must be moving through a fluid mechanism.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's on the surface.
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  Speaker 3: Right. But this new unified theory proves that seeing an
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  Speaker 3: oscillating wave doesn't guarantee that mechanism at all.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really?
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 3: Wave-like features can actually just be an illusion created by
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  Speaker 3: the complex interplay between temporal memory and spatial non-locality.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, an illusion. Break that down for me. How does
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  Speaker 2: that work?
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  Speaker 3: Think of those phonons like members of a massive marching
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  Speaker 3: band starting out perfectly in sync.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: In room temperature silicon, because those individual phonons travel such
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  Speaker 3: a wide variety of different distances at different speeds, their
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  Speaker 3: individual contributions start to fall out of sync with each
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  Speaker 3: other as they move across the material.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I get it. Like half the marching band suddenly
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  Speaker 2: walking at a completely different tempo than the rest. The
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  Speaker 2: rhythm gets completely destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: Precisely. The scientific term for that is spatial dephasing. The
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  Speaker 3: band members fall out of step.
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  Speaker 2: Spatial dephasing.
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  Speaker 3: And the researchers found that in room temperature silicon, this
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  Speaker 3: spatial dephasing actually strongly suppresses those observable, coherent thermal waves.
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  Speaker 2: So the chaos actually kills the wave.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. The chaotic variety of the phonons prevents them from
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  Speaker 3: acting like a perfect fluid. So the new theory gives
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  Speaker 3: us a tool to look under the hood.
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  Speaker 2: It tells us that seeing a wave is exciting, but
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  Speaker 2: it isn't enough. You need the spatiotemporal kernel to understand
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  Speaker 2: why the wave is happening or why it's breaking down.
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  Speaker 3: You absolutely need the map.
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  Speaker 2: So what does this all mean? We've talked a lot
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  Speaker 2: about phonons and atomic lattices and thermal kernels, but why
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  Speaker 2: should a listener who isn't a theoretical physicist care about
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  Speaker 2: how a microscopic atomic vibration remembers where it came from?
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  Speaker 3: Well, if we connect this to the bigger picture, it
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  Speaker 3: all comes down to the massive engineering crisis currently happening
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  Speaker 3: in the global microchip industry.
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  Speaker 2: The shrinking chips.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. The device you are using to listen to this
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  Speaker 3: right now is powered by computer chips that are getting
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  Speaker 3: unimaginably small. We are manufacturing transistors that are three nanometers wide.
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  Speaker 2: That is insane. We are approaching the physical size of atoms.
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  Speaker 3: We really are.
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  Speaker 2: And those microscopic chips are operating at blisteringly fast speeds,
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  Speaker 2: doing billions of calculations per second, generating heat with every
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  Speaker 2: single calculation.
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  Speaker 3: And that is the danger zone. We are squarely encroaching
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  Speaker 3: on the exact microscopic length scales and the exact trillionths
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  Speaker 3: of a second times where Fourier's law breaks down.
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  Speaker 2: Right, where the natural distances and relaxation times of those
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  Speaker 2: phonons become the dominant physical reality.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. So the engineers designing the next generation of smartphones
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  Speaker 3: or AI processors are running into a brick wall.
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  Speaker 2: They can't just assume heat will dissipate smoothly into this
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  Speaker 2: run material anymore.
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  Speaker 3: They absolutely cannot. If you design a cutting-edge nanoscale processor
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  Speaker 3: using 200-year-old math that assumes heat dissipates instantly and locally.
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  Speaker 2: That processor is going to trap heat, overheat, melt, and fail.
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  Speaker 3: Without a doubt. A single thermal conductivity number is totally
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  Speaker 3: insufficient to design a modern computer chip.
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  Speaker 2: Which brings us to the biggest bottleneck, I think. The boundaries.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the interfaces.
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  Speaker 2: Because a microchip isn't just one solid continuous block of silicon.
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  Speaker 2: It is a wildly complex microscopic sandwich of totally different materials.
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  Speaker 2: You've got silicon, copper interconnects, insulators.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it's a structural lasagna.
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  Speaker 2: And the heat has to jump across the borders between
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  Speaker 2: all those materials to escape.
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  Speaker 3: And understanding how heat crosses those borders is arguably the
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  Speaker 3: most critical challenge in hardware engineering today. We call the
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  Speaker 3: resistance heat faces when crossing an interface insulators. Pizza resistance.
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  Speaker 2: Pizza resistance. How does that actually work mechanically? Why is
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  Speaker 2: there resistance just because the material changes?
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  Speaker 3: Because the atomic structures are fundamentally different.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Silicon is a semiconductor crystal. Copper is a highly conductive metal.
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  Speaker 3: Their atomic lattices vibrate in totally different ways.
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  Speaker 2: So they don't play nice together.
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  Speaker 3: Not at all. When a phonon traveling through silicon hits
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  Speaker 3: the copper boundary, it's like a car driving at 80
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  Speaker 3: miles an hour on a smoothly paved highway. Suddenly hitting
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  Speaker 3: a deeply rutted dirt road.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't just transition smoothly. It jars. It slows down.
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  Speaker 2: It loses momentum.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. It's called acoustic impedance mismatch. The phonons don't just
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  Speaker 3: pass through. Many of them reflect backwards or scatter.
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  Speaker 2: Causing a traffic jam at the border.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Causing the heat to pile up at the border,
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  Speaker 3: creating a massive temperature spike right at the interface.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: Traditionally, engineers just treated this Kapitsa resistance as a simple
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  Speaker 3: static temperature jump at a sharp boundary line. But this
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  Speaker 3: new framework proves that it is much richer and more
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  Speaker 3: complicated than that.
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  Speaker 2: Because the phonons arriving at the border are bringing their
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  Speaker 2: baggage with them.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. The boundary isn't just a flat wall. It's a
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  Speaker 3: finite three-dimensional region where the microscopic heat correlations, the memories
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  Speaker 3: from deep inside the silicon, are being actively redistributed.
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  Speaker 2: Like they are actively negotiating with the completely different lattice
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  Speaker 2: structure on the copper side.
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  Speaker 3: Negotiating is a great word for it. And you need
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  Speaker 3: the spatiotemporal kernel to mathematically model that complex negotiation.
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  Speaker 2: Without that map, engineers are basically just guessing how much
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  Speaker 2: heat will get trapped at the border.
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  Speaker 3: And guessing isn't good enough when you are building a
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  Speaker 3: multi-billion dollar supercomputer.
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  Speaker 2: No, definitely not.
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  Speaker 3: The beauty of this new framework is that it relies
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  Speaker 3: on the natural equilibrium fluctuations of heat flow. It isn't
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  Speaker 3: restricted to perfectly ordered, pristine crystals in a lab.
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  Speaker 2: So they can use it in the real world.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. The next frontier is applying this memory kernel to
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  Speaker 3: disordered solids, complex composite materials, and the real-world messy interfaces
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  Speaker 3: inside commercial microchips.
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  Speaker 2: They can use atomistic simulations to calculate these kernels. Basically
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  Speaker 2: giving hardware engineers a highly accurate nanoscale map to build
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  Speaker 2: the technology of tomorrow without it spontaneously catching on fire.
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  Speaker 3: That's the ultimate goal.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly humbling to think that a concept as everyday
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  Speaker 2: as heat, something you literally feel every single time you
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  Speaker 2: wrap your hands around a warm mug of coffee, is
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  Speaker 2: secretly hiding this rich, complex history of its own physical
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  Speaker 2: journey at the atomic scale.
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  Speaker 3: It really is.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just an ambient temperature. It's the physical record
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  Speaker 2: of events.
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  Speaker 3: It really changes how you look at the physical world.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing is truly instantaneous, and it leaves us with something
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  Speaker 3: quite profound to consider as we look toward the future.
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  Speaker 2: What's that?
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  Speaker 3: This raises an important question regarding the next massive leap
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  Speaker 3: in tech.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, listen.
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  Speaker 3: As our technology shrinks even further, moving past standard silicon
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  Speaker 3: microchips and entering the incredibly delicate realm of quantum computing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, right.
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  Speaker 3: Temperature control is absolutely everything. Quantum states called qubits are
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  Speaker 3: notoriously fragile. The slightest vibration or thermal fluctuation can destroy
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  Speaker 3: their coherence.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The smallest amount of unpredicted heat can cause a
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  Speaker 2: quantum computer to crash and just lose all its data.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. So if heat isn't just an ambient generalized temperature,
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  Speaker 3: but a moving physical force that carries a persistent memory
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  Speaker 3: of past energetic disturbances. Wow. How might the ghost of
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  Speaker 3: a past heat wave interfere with the fragile quantum states
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  Speaker 3: of tomorrow's supercomputers?
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  Speaker 2: That is a terrifying thought for a quantum engineer.
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  Speaker 3: It is. Could this hidden thermal memory be the ultimate
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  Speaker 3: hurdle we have to overcome to stabilize quantum tech? Or
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  Speaker 3: perhaps if we can map it perfectly, could controlling that
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  Speaker 3: memory become a secret tool in the next era of computing?