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Worst Collapse in Baseball History · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take where?
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We talk all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the three O take
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presented by Chinook Cedry. This is episode 571.
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I'll be your host, Kyle Korn. I'm here with my Co host Nate
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Reyes. Nate.
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Casey, how are we told everybody to buckle up this week?
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I don't think, I don't think people were ready for this.
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I can't keep up, man. There's a lot going on.
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I, I swear I go to bed after the games have finished for that
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given night and the standings show me one thing and then I
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wake up the next morning and it's like Nope, just kidding.
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Actually this team's only 1/2 game back.
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So it's like, dude, so much is happening right now.
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I know just glued to the standings and I feel like it.
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I don't know why it feels like, OK, when I looked at it last
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night, it was 1/2 game. Now it's 2 1/2.
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Like it's like I don't what happened?
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Who shifted where? Why did that grow that much?
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Like it's just it's all over the place.
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You I blinked in the Mariners. You have have won the West and
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it's not even that close. Like what?
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What is? That about I, I said right
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before we hopped on, I said, oh man, I wish I'd, I'd, I'd
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checked the standings right before we hopped on.
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I said, oh, I thought there was a shot the Padres could actually
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win the West. Because I swear like 3 days,
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like 2-3 days ago, it was, it was, I thought like 1/2 game or
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maybe a game at most. And I know, you know, you know,
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a game or two can be made-up in a night or two.
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But you get what I'm saying, though.
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It's just this feeling of like, I've I had this, I had this
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sense that things were closer. Maybe things were further.
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It goes back to what we talked about last episode with this
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Tigers collapse where it was like.
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What? 50 how did 15 how did a 15 1/2
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game collapse without any of us really realize?
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I mean, I'm, I, I would venture say Tigers fans were well aware
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of what was happening as they're watching it day in and day out.
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But I, I, I, my sense of time, the end of September going into
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the post season really messes with my sense of time because I
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think one day has happened, but the standings apparently tells
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me that three or four days have actually happened.
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So I don't really know. I don't really know what to
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think. Me neither.
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But you mentioned the Mariners. Let's start there for the first
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time. Since 2:00. 1001 Whoa, finishing
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atop the American League West due due in part to a Cal Raleigh
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multi Homer game and talking about, you know, maybe having a
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false sense of understanding this or that.
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I saw that Cal Raleigh had a two Homer game to give him 59 and 60
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on the season, which we'll get into that in a minute.
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But I thought there's no way. And I don't want to be put on
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record as you know, spewing conspiracies because we would
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never do such a thing. We never never do that on that
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show. I'm going, is it just me or does
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this guy have a multi Homer game every night now, it seems.
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But then I went back and checked and it's it's not as bad as you
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think. I mean, he's, he's most
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certainly heated back up, but I, I just feel like here for a
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while it's been Cal, Raleigh, Homer every single night.
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Yeah, so true. It's crazy, man.
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And like I, I thought no one liked to hit there.
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I thought that was like what people were saying about
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Seattle. No one likes hitting here.
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Stats go crazy now. Like we've seen the dip in Gino
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Suarez, like he struggled his first tour there.
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Now him being traded back here, like you're kind of seeing it
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happen again. Have people said that about?
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Yeah, 100% the people. Oh yeah, they sure have.
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Who was it? I, I for a second I thought you
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were talking about Oracle and I'm like, no, we this isn't
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Oracle. But no, you're right.
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T-Mobile is definitely right there.
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Yeah, it was. Who was it?
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Maybe it was Gino Swartz. I don't know.
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Somebody talked about like, I just couldn't see the ball
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there. I don't know what it is.
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She can't see the ball there. It's not.
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Necessarily, that was recent. That was that conversation
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happened somewhat recently. I remember, yeah.
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I don't remember who it was, but I remember that being said,
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yeah. But anyway, it's just like it's
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it's crazy that I don't know, just seems to be immune to it.
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But that first ball, the 59? We'll get into that, we'll get
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into that, we'll get into that, but the Mariners American League
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West champs every day that passes by.
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I, I, I have yet it's still a game time decision.
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Like I, I won't know until it's October, but it's, I'm still on
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the fence as to whether or not I feel like I can commit my heart
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and soul to this team. Because, because just the other
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day I was pulling together our, our prediction graphic template
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for this postseason. Because, you know, we like doing
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predictions at the beginning of each stage of the postseason.
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So I'm, you know, I'm getting those templates ready and I'm,
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I'm sitting there just staring, staring a little extra at the
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Mariners logo. And I'm like, I don't know what
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to think about you right now. But every day it seems that
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they're giving us more of a reason to believe.
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Yeah, I don't know. Where are you at on them?
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Same I don't know why I look at them and I'm like I can't help
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it, just like me me, but I'm that way.
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Literally about the entire American League in most of the
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National League. This is the most up for grabs
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season I think I've I can remember in recent memory.
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Because I feel, well, to your point, a team that I feel like
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we were we were pretty high on there for at the very least a
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week or two as we've gotten closer to October was the Blue
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Jays. And if they're able to squeak
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out, well, you know, if they if they get the division, get the
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first round bye, do they lose a little bit of that it factor if
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they're sitting on their hands for.
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To me it seems like momentum has been a little bit, it's shifting
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or has shifted in Toronto. Think they're playing a little
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tight? Well nervous at the time of this
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recording they have dropped the 1st 2:00.
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We can say. They've lost the series, they've
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lost the series, they've dropped the first two fighting from
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being swept. If they get swept tonight and
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and the Yankees win the the division has been lost.
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I mean, this is the closest the division race has been since
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like beginning of I think July. So it sounds right.
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It's been like a couple months of like really solid baseball
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from them. And I'm not I'm not saying that
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they are like suddenly imploding.
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I don't think it's anywhere near what has happened in Detroit and
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and Cleveland, But like, it's just, I mean, even even what's
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the space manager came out and said that, you know, it feels
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like the sky is falling even though it's not, it feels like
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it is. And there's a little bit of free
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fall going on. So it's, it's, it's very strange
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all around. It's just it's kind of feels up
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for grabs. It feels like you're you're
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expecting certain teams to respond in a certain way and
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like you get punched in the mouth.
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Are they going to fight back? And then like they're not
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fighting back. And like I said before, like I,
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I feel like a week ago the West wasn't like this.
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And now all the sudden it's like the Mariners could win this
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division by 567 games when it's when it's said and done.
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Like what? Where did that come from?
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But I don't know. I'm I'm kind of just up in the
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air about the Mariners. I'm I'm up in the air.
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Seems like Coolio is like had a really good second-half.
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Obviously Cow's, you know, Raleigh's been doing his thing.
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Gino, we don't know what he is. Is he going to turn it on in the
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postseason? Is he going to kind of go back
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to the Diamondback form like Randy's Randy?
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There's there's a lot going on that I like.
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There's a lot going on that I have question marks attached to.
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We know what they're pitching is.
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We know what their bullpens like.
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They're going to be a problem, I know that much.
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They're obviously a problem right now, but I don't know if I
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can look at any one team in the AL and just be like, Oh yeah, I
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feel good about you. They all have some holes.
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Which could prove itself helpful to the Mariners, who, as we
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know, we're seeking their first World Series, first first World
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Series appearance. Yeah, much less title.
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Let's, let's, let's get there first.
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But yeah, I'm like I said, I'm, I'm sort of still on the fence.
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And I know that's going to rub some people the wrong way.
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And I've already been getting people reaching out to me being
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like, oh, this aged well in response to my take where I said
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still taking the Astros because if you remember, Mariners went
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on, I believe it was at a nine game-winning streak and.
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Yeah, and you said they were still a game back.
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Wasn't that like a week? Ago.
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Well, no, I think they were. They were up a game at that
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point. And I'm like with the I say it
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all the time, the law of averages.
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Yeah, I felt like it things were going to level out there.
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And that to me, that just meant that the Astros had to play
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slightly better baseball than the Mariners for the last week,
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2 weeks and the division was going to be theirs.
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But the Mariners just continued to win.
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They obviously went into Houston and swept, took care of business
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there. So, you know, I got to eat crow
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there. But it all that to say, it's
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just a lot of winning. And I wonder if it's too much at
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this may not make sense to people, but it's it to me, it
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begs the question too much winning for the Mariners heading
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into the postseason. That's what's like you don't
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it's I don't think it's a crazy take because it's like there's
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something in a hot streak. There's something in that first
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round bye. You know what I mean?
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Like there's something in that there's something weird about
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that where like you got so hot at the right time, you're
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peeking you almost you you don't want to take a day off.
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You don't want to take a game off and then the amount of time
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that is taken off. Like we've seen certain teams
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where that kind of, it kind of bites them.
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But then at the same time, like we've also seen teams that get
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hot to get into the wild card and then get get waxed in the
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first round. Like I don't think there's a set
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formula with what works for each team or what works.
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Each year is different. Each roster is different.
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I, I have no idea. I genuinely have no clue where I
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want to put my money on it. Well let me ask you this, are
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you putting your money on Cal Raleigh to win the MVP if he
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somehow reaches or surpasses Judges Homer record?
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I I think it's already is, I think the 60 mark already
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already got him there. Whether he passes the record or
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not, he would need three and three games, which is not crazy,
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but it's not easy, right? Which reminds me, I don't even
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know if I finished my thought from earlier about the
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conspiracy thing, but it made me wonder.
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I'm like, are we, are we doing the judge esque thing where it's
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like maybe these baseballs are a little different for, for
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Raleigh down the stretch because everybody's talking about big
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dumper. I think I, I don't know about
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prior to this point, but post last night, I think you're going
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to start seeing new like kind of the same way they gave new
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baseballs to the umpires that were like specifically marked,
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specifically like authenticated for those moments.
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I think once he gets to, I think now, I think now for every AB,
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you're going to see new balls being delivered to the pitcher
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for those, for those at bats for these moments.
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I'm not. I'm not saying that Cal
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Raleigh's baseballs are juice. I'm not.
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But we're not not saying that. I'm not saying it.
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Rawlings, MLB, they've all admitted to it at different
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times in the last few. Years so yeah so we're not crazy
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that's that's what I'm saying just just you know don't take
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everything at face value. If you learn anything from
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baseball, if you learn anything from the news, politics, don't
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take it for face value. Just use use this little
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inconsequential Cal Raleigh scenario as a learning lesson,
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as a, as a, as an opportunity to be reminded of that as you go
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out elsewhere in life. The so you think it's his, you
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think 60 was, was really the, the, the last benchmark that he
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needed to reach. Yeah, yeah.
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And I've, I've been watching like I see a watch a ton of
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videos like everyone else where it's just like they compare the
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stats, but then they also bring up moments in history where you
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know the whole Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams one where you know, Ted
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hit over 400 and didn't win it there.
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I think there's narratives that play.
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It's the catching position that I think it's like this almost
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like golden goose where it's so rare.
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The last MVP was Posey and 12 and there was like a narrative
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attached to it. And Posey's numbers were not
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better than Ryan Bronze. Like there's, I think it's done.
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We've seen the odds shift that I think on, on Vegas odds where I
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think it's -300 in favor of Cal Raleigh now and then Judge is up
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to like plus 150. Yeah.
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I mean, even even if even if Judge goes crazy then and smacks
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a couple more these last few games, like I, I, even if it's a
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gap of six or seven home runs and that's it.
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I think it's the fact that he like a catcher switch hitter.
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It's the Mariners, like First Division.
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You know what I'm saying? Like there's so much that's in
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it that I I think it's done. I think it's Cal Raleigh's. 7th
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player to reach 60 homers, joining Babe Ruth, Rodger Maris,
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Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds and the aforementioned
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Aaron Judge. I did pull up and I mentioned
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the multi Homer thing. I did pull up a note about that.
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He has 11 multi Homer games this year, tied with Judge, Hank
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Greenberg and Sammy Sosa for the MLB record.
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So I wasn't crazy. I mean, it doesn't happen every
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night like I maybe thought it did, but it does happen
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frequently. Still often 1313 Homer game,
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right? Yeah, I.
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Think he had one he didn't get? Four in a game this year, did
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he? The three definitely happened.
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Someone got four one year, but I don't think it was.
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Was it him? Where was that?
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Gino had four. I know that.
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That's right. Yeah.
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Yeah. That was early this year, right?
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Yeah. When it was like June, he's had
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like eight hits and seven of them are homers.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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When was that? I'm trying to figure out when
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that three Homer game was. You said 11 multi home run. 11
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multi Homer games. Nice.
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Since we last talked the the Padres and Yankees have
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clinched. I let's just no, I'll save that.
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Let's just talk about the Padres first.
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Really. I mean nothing of note.
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I feel like you already know where I'm going with the Yankees
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thing. I'm not happy about it for for
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obvious reasons, but specifically one in particular.
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And in fact, it has nothing to do with the Yankees.
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It has to do with the White Sox. But let's talk about let's talk
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about the Padres real quick. Nothing, nothing really of note.
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Like you said, the the the National League wildcards.
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Everyone's just kind of backing their way into the.
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Yeah, yeah. It's, it hasn't.
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It hasn't. They're all pillow fights, like
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it's a whole big pillow fight. No one's really taken the bull
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by the horns. It's kind of annoying.
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And I don't know why I get so fixated on the Reds with this,
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because the, the, the Diamondbacks are doing the same
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exact thing, same exact record as the Reds.
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They're debacter 7 and three and less and Red six and four.
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They're actually, I think they're playing at this moment,
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but they've both, they're both coming off losses.
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But for some reason I'm more angry with the Reds because I'm
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like you, all you ask for is a shot and you've had this shot
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for the last month. It feels like where if you just
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would string together some wins, we wouldn't have to be talking
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about whether the Mets would be in because they'd be they.
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They'd be on the outside looking in.
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But here, Padres kind of no one. Just there's no one in the NL
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that's just like, yeah, let's go for it.
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I mean, the Dodgers games have been, have been close the last
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few nights, Like going into extras last night we saw Kershaw
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on the 9th. Weird.
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Yeah, no one's going for it. Can I say real quick, I you, you
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mentioned the Dodgers. I, I feel like I'm getting a
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little, I'm, I'm getting a whiff of the Dodgers mojo again.
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Are you? And I don't exactly know why,
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but I, I don't know if it's because I saw Sasaki come in
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last night and and throw well, and I'm like, OK, well, that's,
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that's one, one measure of reinforcements that they've got
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to work with. I don't know if it was that or
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if it's just a collect a collection of other things I've
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seen, but starting to get a whiff of that mojo.
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But to your but to your point with them being the the weakest
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of the record wise, the weakest of the three division leaders in
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the National League beyond like once you get past them, I'm with
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you and we we've been saying this, the National League wild
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card, there's nobody that's at least to us, maybe somebody
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would disagree, but to us it you've got the Cubs, the Padres,
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the Mets, the D backs and the Reds, two of which the Cubs and
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the Padres are obviously already in.
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But those other teams, it's just nobody is.
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Nobody's trying to take that leap and be like, no, focus on
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us. Like, forget about the Cubs,
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forget about the Mets. Like, yeah, the the Cubs and
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Padres are in, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're
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going to have the the momentum that's required.
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And so when you look at it through that lens, it's like
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who? Who beyond the division leaders
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is really making any sort of noise?
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I will say I I do like that matchup.
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Cubs, Padres and the wild card. I think that's going to be a fun
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one. Yeah, yeah.
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I agree. I don't know man, it's just
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boring boring. And all of this is just like
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the. I mean, they'll probably get
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eliminated today, but the fact that the Cardinals don't
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officially have an E next to their name?
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Crazy. Is stupid.
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Who was it that we checked? Who?
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Who was it that we noted last episode?
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It wasn't the Marlins, was it? Remember when you're like I
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don't know how they don't have a an E next to their name.
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The fact that the, oh, the Giants have the same record.
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This is so weird. The Giants have the same record
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as the Cardinals right now, 78 and 81.
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They're both 3 1/2 games back in the wild card.
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The Giants have been eliminated, the Cardinals have not been, and
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below them is the Marlins. So was the Marlins.
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Yeah. What is 77 and 81 four games
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back? But they have not yet been
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eliminated. That has to come down to
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matchups, right? Something I don't know.
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Somebody that does a lot more math than I can.
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Oh, no, you know what it is? It's the the Marlins.
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Who did they finish up with? The Mets.
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That's why. That's exactly why.
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Craziness. That's hilarious.
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I I mean, they would have to win out and then probably need some
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people to lose like the Reds. Hey, let's go Marlins.
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So Marlins stay alive, man. Let's keep keep pushing it
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along. They're eight and two in the
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last 10. See, that's what I'm saying.
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That's a team that's trying to going for it a little bit, make
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some, you know, they're not going to be a that's not going
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to be a rollover series for the the Mets, by the way, like good
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luck. That's actually of the, I mean,
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of the teams you could be playing right now, that's
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probably on the bottom of the list or near the bottom of the
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list of teams I'd want to round out this season with if you're
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the Mets and you're knocking on the door if potentially not
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making the postseason. I'd concur.
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Crazy. OK, so yeah, mention the Padres
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getting in on a walk off. By the way, love that I've I've
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been loving these dramatic entrances into the post season.
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That's been well documented on here.
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It's it's you. It's a sign.
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It's a stamp of approval from me.
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If you can get in on a win and especially if you can get in on
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a walk off. So good on the Padres for for
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passing passing Casey's test. All right, let's talk about it.
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Yankees also getting in since we talked last, but I don't really
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want to talk about the Yankees. I want to talk about the White
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Sox and the play that happened that led to the Yankees getting
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into the postseason. Michael A Taylor, my guy, my
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brother, what are you doing? What are you doing?
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Because you can't tell me that you're you're you're you're
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laying up there to protect yourself for the offseason
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because you're anticipating A9 figure contract.
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OK, I would argue the opposite. No dis disrespect period.
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What are you doing guy? I mean, that was the easiest
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situation that would call for laying out for a ball that I've
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I've possibly ever seen in my life. 2 outs the game when he'd
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run on second base and you pull up and you're going oh this is a
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great time to hold him at first as the winning run crosses home
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plate. What are you?
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Doing yeah, dude, I think late defensive replacement literally
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for this reason, plus plus defender.
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I I don't know if maybe he didn't know the score.
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I don't know if maybe he lost track of the outs.
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I no idea. Couldn't tell you.
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For those curious, it is I think bottom 10, bottom 11, one of the
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two Caballero hits a bloop single judge scores from second.
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But I mean, there's two strikes, there's two outs.
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Judge is going on contact no matter what, so obviously gets a
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great jump. There is 0% chance that you're
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going to be able to take that on a hop and throw them out at
25:37
home. Not that Judge is like blazing
25:40
speed, but it's like there there's just no way anybody that
25:44
isn't Giancarlo Stanton is scoring on that ball.
25:47
So I don't know what Michael, Michael A Taylor is doing there.
25:53
I'll take it. I'll take it.
25:54
All Yeah, I believe it, I'm sure.
25:56
But I, I guess the, I don't know what it was exactly, but
25:59
apparently the catch probability wasn't as high as you would
26:03
guess. But like, I think it's more the
26:06
fact that like, how do you not lay out for that ball?
26:08
No, we had nothing to lose. We, it was this very season that
26:12
we had a conversation about the whole catch probability nonsense
26:15
because wasn't it, was it Denzel Clark?
26:19
Was that the catch that we talked about where it was like
26:22
had a catch probability like 95% or there was a catch this year
26:27
that prompted a conversation about how it's a load of
26:30
malarkey. The whole catch probability
26:32
thing is a joke because it's like, what?
26:35
What are what are we really looking?
26:37
At here I don't know. Stupid, But yeah, the last thing
26:40
I'll say it, the whole forgetting the outs thing, while
26:44
it's a possibility that that's what happened with Michael A
26:47
Taylor having spatial awareness, recognizing that Judge is
26:52
rounding 3rd that I can only imagine you're you're catching
26:58
out of your peripherals as you're tracking the ball that
27:01
would tell you shoot, there's two outs.
27:06
So I don't know if I even buy that.
27:08
The whole thing was weird. The fact that like you've got to
27:12
be able to play as an outfielder, like you're not,
27:15
you're not playing deep in those scenarios, like you're playing
27:18
shallow. You have to be able to throw
27:19
them out minimum. So say that is just like a
27:21
single up the middle. You have to be able to give
27:23
yourself a chance to throw them out just very straight.
27:27
I mean, it's the White Sox. It's it's why they're the White
27:31
Sox. It's.
27:32
Less the White Sox and more about this epidemic of baseball
27:36
IQ that I continue to harp on like.
27:39
Wrong. I'm done.
27:43
I don't want to talk about any more.
27:45
Let's talk guardians, Tigers, just.
27:48
Breeze past, I mean back in the back in the post season, 60th,
27:53
60th time in franchise history. No, no, no, for sure.
27:56
Yeah. Hey, you know what?
27:58
Hey. Thanks.
28:04
Clap it up. Breaking news The New York
28:09
Yankees have clinched a spot in the 2025 postseason.
28:16
Let's let's talk about it. That's it.
28:20
Is this? Team winning the World Series.
28:22
I have no idea. Probably not.
28:27
Sounds like a great time to to move on to our next topic.
28:31
Let's talk guardians. No, is there Is there something
28:34
you want to say about the Yankees?
28:35
Joke and decide. Is there something you want to
28:37
say about the Yankees? Just comes down to their
28:40
bullpen. The bullpen can be good.
28:44
Let somebody yes. Who?
28:48
Two questions. I'm glad you mentioned your
28:50
bullpen because that reminded me of another question I had for
28:52
you. First question, as it pertains
28:55
to the bullpen, who do you want? I I haven't been watching
29:00
Yankees games closely because AI don't want to and BI don't care
29:06
who I'm. I'm guessing they've sort of, I
29:09
don't want to say pigeon holed, but identified who their 9th
29:13
inning guy is going to be. Yeah, Ben has been doing it.
29:16
Is it Ben? OK.
29:18
And there no indication outside of that like first week that he
29:21
got traded, everything else has looked good?
29:23
And there's no indication that's going to change.
29:25
It's going to be it's going to be him.
29:27
Yeah. Interesting.
29:29
OK, Yeah. Where is Weaver been?
29:31
Has he just been a an eighth guy?
29:33
Has he been a just a high leverage wherever he need, he's
29:36
needed guy. High leverage wherever he's
29:38
needed 7th 8th sometimes 6th to like finish the 6th going to the
29:42
7th sure, but it's been off and on.
29:44
He's been he's been looking may Devin Williams is Devin
29:48
Williams. I have no faith ever.
29:50
No one ever should Duvall. No disrespect.
29:54
Flip of the coin for Duvall. Definitely can't come in with.
29:57
Anyone on? I completely forgot he was on
29:59
that team, I'm not going to lie. And then Fernando Cruz, like
30:05
there's pieces there. Like that's what's crazy is that
30:07
you're like the depth is there. I just one of you, please just
30:11
figure it out or two of you. 2 would be two would be ideal.
30:15
Ideal for you, not for me. Other question, we either, you
30:21
either mentioned it off the top or right before we hopped on,
30:24
you mentioned the division regarding the Jays, Yankees
30:29
right now, I think it's tied both at 90 wins with four games
30:33
to go. Well, by the time you're hearing
30:35
this, probably 3 maybe as this team is constructed, meaning the
30:41
Yankees, as this Yankees team is constructed right now, as
30:45
they're playing right now, would you prefer a wild card or a
30:50
division? Division, yeah, yeah, for sure,
30:58
definitely division because I think it I think it makes a
31:01
little bit more of like a like a stamp considering what the last
31:09
two months has been three months now.
31:12
And they've been they've been looking really good for like the
31:15
last 3-4 weeks now. But just the second-half of the
31:20
season is like, and the fact that it like there isn't like I
31:25
said before, this isn't like a collapse of the Blue Jays by any
31:28
means. Have they have they been playing
31:30
a little uptight the last week? Yeah.
31:33
I mean, we knew that they had to come back down to earth at some
31:35
point. But they haven't like completely
31:38
scuffled. It has been the fact that, like
31:40
the Yankees have been playing good ball.
31:43
So I don't know. It still comes down to they need
31:46
to beat teams that they need to beat.
31:49
They need to be able to to finish the season now strong.
31:53
So if I'm hearing what you're saying, you're saying you would
31:56
prefer the stamp of validation that would come with a division
32:01
title? Yeah, over.
32:03
Potential strategy of getting a wild card and and favourable
32:07
match ups and things like that. Yeah, because it allows
32:09
everything to reset. It allows some time for the
32:11
bullpen to like rest and they they don't have a ton of
32:17
rotational depth to to I think go through the wild card round
32:24
and turn right into an ALDS right after fair.
32:29
So yeah. Very fair.
32:37
Let's talk about any other thoughts on the Yankees where we
32:39
move on. I want to give you the floor.
32:45
I just wanted to confirm. I mean, it is going to come
32:49
unless the Mariners just completely run the table, which
32:53
is also in play. Like it's not crazy like that.
32:57
I don't think people are understanding this.
32:58
It's not just like rankings that are in this question or whether
33:02
who's going to win this, but it's also like who's going to
33:04
win that, that first round by like that's kind of also up in
33:08
the in the air with everything. But I think what it's looking
33:11
like, just based on how the Central has finished up, that
33:16
there is going to be a first round bye with the East and the
33:19
West. However, whoever takes those and
33:22
then the Central is going to be the one playing that last wild
33:26
card team. So yeah, I think everything,
33:31
yeah, that's it. That's all I got.
33:33
Because as of this moment, it would be, it'd be at this very
33:39
moment, it would be Jays, Red Sox tiebreaker, right?
33:45
But I'm saying matchups. For the wild card, it'd be
33:47
Yankees, Red Sox and then Guardians, Tigers.
33:50
Yeah. And then if the Yankees take the
33:52
East, it would then be. Jays.
33:56
Red Sox, right? Yeah.
34:00
And then still guardians. Tigers.
34:02
The Astros are only one game back, like the Tigers are just
34:07
this is historic. I don't think it's being talked
34:09
about enough. Well, let's talk about it.
34:11
Guardians, Tigers Guardians take the first two again.
34:15
This is this is ahead of the third game, third and final game
34:19
of the series, which is is that a is that game tonight 640 Yeah.
34:25
OK so guardians have already taken the series.
34:30
They I tweeted after the first game was it game one when scuba
34:35
went and they they won that get the guardians won the game that
34:40
scuba started. I don't, I don't believe he got
34:43
hit with a loss. But but they did lose, yeah.
34:46
Yeah, but they lost the game that Scuba started.
34:48
And I said something to the effect of the Guardian.
34:52
The Tigers lose the game that Scuba started.
34:55
Congratulations to the Guardians on their American League Central
34:58
title, because you can't if, if, if the the primary talking point
35:04
for the Tigers is who their number one is on the bump.
35:09
And that's kind of it. You need to make sure that when
35:13
you're faced with a situation with games that you have to win,
35:17
you win those games that are started by him.
35:20
And they didn't do that, which leads me to believe that this
35:24
division is all but locked up. And sure, it's possible that the
35:28
Tigers turn things around, but they have looked so sloppy.
35:32
I think that they're on an 8 game losing streak, aren't they?
35:35
Was it, was it 9? Is it 8 or 9?
35:38
You might be right. I think it was.
35:39
Yeah. 81 and 9 in their last 10 have lost eight in a row coming
35:43
into Thursday. And and the fact that like you,
35:46
if you managed to squeak out that last spot in the wild card,
35:51
you're going to have to go face them.
35:53
It's like we. Talked about, yeah, it's like.
35:55
You have no momentum whatsoever. Unbelievable.
36:00
Yeah. Good luck going into Cleveland
36:05
having just in this scenario in which you completely collapse,
36:10
you lose the Central, the Guardians in it, obviously going
36:13
on to win that division and that's all anybody's talking
36:16
about. Good luck going on the road to
36:20
the place that hosts the team in which you lost that division to
36:27
and thinking you're going to come out of there victorious.
36:29
Not going to happen, I'm sorry. So we can just go ahead and say
36:32
right now that the Tiger season is all but over.
36:35
I'm with you. That's fine.
36:37
Am I? Am I being a victim of the
36:39
moment right now? Or did the tiger?
36:41
Have the Tigers given us every reason to think that that's the
36:44
case? I think, I think you're doing
36:45
the math. I think you're you're looking
36:47
around, you're observing the environment.
36:51
Taking it in. And you're and you're putting
36:54
out an educated and I think rather accurate guess.
37:00
Thank you, thank you. I mean, it's this like people
37:07
I'm seeing, I'm seeing takes that are giving props to the
37:12
Guardians. And sure, this collapse doesn't
37:15
happen if the Guardians aren't playing the way they've been
37:17
playing over the last month. Plus, however, do not get it
37:25
twisted, this was a historic collapse and had nothing to do
37:31
with the Guardians. The Guardians, yes, they won the
37:36
games that they needed to win, but this was this fall solely on
37:42
the Tigers. Yeah. 15 1/2 games back and I
37:46
keep, I keep seeing people saying they, they're going back
37:49
to, I think like, was it early to mid-september where they're
37:54
like the Guardians on September? What it such and such a date?
37:58
We're 11 games back and I'm going, I don't care about that.
38:02
Like, yeah, it, it puts the, the month of September into
38:05
perspective and the gap that they had to close.
38:07
But at the end of the day, don't lose sight of the fact that it
38:11
was 15 1/2 games. That's the number I will
38:14
continue to focus on as this downward spiral continues and
38:20
presumably will result in a rather unfortunate exit.
38:24
Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. We talked about looking back
38:32
like, what did they do with the deadline?
38:36
Nothing. I thought that was a.
38:37
Big that that was like a big deal.
38:41
And I remember, like, people being disappointed in the fact
38:44
that, like, you didn't do anything and then this weird, I
38:47
mean. Can I play devil's advocate real
38:49
quick on that? Sure, sure.
38:51
If that's. Great position at the time of
38:54
the deadline. That's what, that's what I'm
38:55
saying. Like if you're the Tigers,
38:56
you're looking around, you're going, do we need to offload key
39:00
prospects if this is the position, like we're quite
39:03
literally one of, if not the best team in baseball.
39:08
Do we need to unload prospects to go supplement what we already
39:14
have here? That's a classic case of looking
39:16
around, being like, I'm OK with what we have.
39:18
You hear, you hear owners, owner or front offices that, that take
39:22
that approach where they're like, we, we like what we have
39:24
here. And it's like, you're not
39:25
fooling anybody. You're not kidding anybody.
39:28
You need to go make additions. But with the Tigers, if you're
39:31
at the top of the mountain, you're looking around and going,
39:33
we like what we have here. You can't really fault them.
39:36
Yeah, I don't, I don't really know what the blame is.
39:39
I mean, is it roster configuration?
39:41
Is it lack of moves at the deadline?
39:43
Is it managing? I don't know, but I'm sure it's
39:49
a mix of all of it for this kind of collapse tough.
39:57
Embarrassing what? Would you rather have like last
40:01
year where you sell off pieces of the deadline and then get hot
40:04
and sneak into the wild card and like kind of scare some people
40:07
or this like I don't I. They both suck like both.
40:12
Both are a rough ending to the story.
40:15
Yeah, especially with the way that it did end for them last
40:18
year against the the the Guardians.
40:22
Yeah, same, same ending. A lot of a lot of same
40:26
characters in this. Story just connected those
40:28
pieces. Guardians have the Tigers number
40:31
apparently. My goodness.
40:33
Tigers are praying for expansion and division realignment.
40:39
So we want, we, we don't, we want no part of the Guardians
40:43
moving forward, and for good reason.
40:45
I saw a note speaking about what the Guardians have been doing.
40:48
Well, I saw a note that Tanner Bybee won his third straight
40:54
start and allowed only one run and six innings.
40:57
This is the this is the note here extending the streak of
41:00
Guardian starters allowing 2 or fewer runs to 19 games.
41:07
And why is that not getting talked about?
41:08
That's that's very impressive. That's nice.
41:12
But you know how how easy it would be for a starter to just
41:17
have a blow up outing? Yeah.
41:20
Even if it wasn't, you know, necessarily projected or
41:23
expected. Read it again for me.
41:26
I need to hear. Guardian starters allowing 2 or
41:29
fewer runs has happened 19 games in a row.
41:35
Wow, wow. That's very impressive.
41:45
Because what I mean, it's just it's a ripple effect.
41:47
Like you don't have to score that many runs when this this is
41:50
the case. You don't have to worry about
41:52
stressing out your bullpen. You don't have to worry about
41:55
throwing somebody in in a mop up roll to, you know what I mean?
41:58
Like there's so much that fault, like Domino's fall in place
42:02
after that. Wow, wow, wow.
42:06
How about it and putting a bow on the the the collapse?
42:11
Just in case anybody was wondering, the 1914 Boston
42:14
Braves were 15 games back in the NL on July 4th and rallied to
42:21
rallied to win by 10 1/2 games. So you closed at 25.
42:30
That's a 25 1/2 game spread. It's a big swing.
42:35
Since baseball went to division play in 1969, the biggest
42:38
deficit overcome was 14 games by the 1978 Yankees to win the
42:42
East, which we don't need to talk about.
42:45
But anyway, the the, yeah, this is, this is this is like nothing
42:53
we've ever seen before. Good stuff man.
42:56
I love baseball. It's a crazy.
42:59
I was thinking about that today. I'm like we, you know, we you
43:02
say it from time to time, but when you're actually living it,
43:05
the fact that there you will wake up in any giving given
43:09
season and see something in this game that you have never seen
43:13
before. We have never seen a collapse
43:16
this bad. In all of our years of watching
43:18
baseball, we have never seen a collapse this dramatic.
43:23
Here for it. Unbelievable.
43:26
Looking around the rest of the league, I feel like we kind of
43:29
touched on both races and that, you know, in the AL and the NL,
43:33
but is there anything that we didn't necessarily cover?
43:39
Yeah, we we sort of touched on the Astros a little bit, but
43:42
worth noting that they're riding A5 game losing streak currently
43:47
a game out at this moment. I don't know that there's much
43:55
else that we that we missed. Think that kind of wraps it up
44:02
really honestly. Honestly, it doesn't even
44:04
matter. Things could change.
44:06
By tomorrow, By tonight. Tomorrow.
44:08
Yeah, I mean it. Yeah.
44:09
It's very possible the Red Sox will be punching their ticket
44:13
tonight with either a win or a Houston loss.
44:18
So I'm I'm really hoping I already I already I already.
44:24
Talk about them a little bit because like we, I don't know, I
44:27
obviously I'm not like super tapped into those games either.
44:30
Like what are you seeing? Where what are their strengths?
44:32
What are their, what are their weaknesses?
44:34
Like what's been going down lately?
44:38
I'm a little, well, I was going to say, fearful about not having
44:46
the big bats in that line up. However, Bregman has he's he's
44:53
heated up a little bit, which which is encouraging so.
44:57
You like, you have that in the Bank of like what Bregman does
45:00
during this time of year, correct?
45:02
Yeah, like you, you kind of know that the the resume is going to
45:06
show up, I think. And I'm very much looking
45:08
forward to watching the athleticism put on display from
45:12
guys like Duran Rafaela. So we shall see.
45:16
And then obviously with the year, I mean, we've we've
45:18
mentioned it multiple times, but the year that Trevor Story's
45:21
having has been incredible, which by the way, I saw a friend
45:24
of the pod, Greg Amsinger, put out a video the other day and he
45:28
was like, well, Story is most definitely going to opt out of
45:30
his contract. He's I think he said Story am
45:32
Bregman. I'm like, I wouldn't be so sure
45:35
of that. I mean, he's having a great
45:38
year, but I don't, I don't even know what's left on that
45:41
contract, but that that might be a little risky.
45:43
I don't I don't know that anybody's knocking on the door
45:46
for the potential of Trevor Story beyond this year.
45:50
I don't know. Yeah, I would agree any who's.
45:53
But yeah, I'm kind of hoping, as I was saying, I'm kind of hoping
45:58
that, you know, you never want your team to lose.
46:01
But I'm it would be nice maybe if they could punt to Friday
46:05
when we're actually in town for the series against the Tigers,
46:09
that would be cool. But that would require both them
46:13
losing and the Astros winning, which could happen.
46:16
But that's just to your point. Anything could change.
46:20
We could be talking about new additions to the postseason
46:23
field as early as tonight. So we shall see.
46:26
But that's all for the the playoff picture.
46:30
The last thing I wanted to talk about here though was the news
46:33
from earlier this week, the ABS system officially making its way
46:38
to Major League Baseball for regular season play in the 2026
46:44
season. So how how we feeling about
46:46
that? I don't hate it like I didn't
46:49
hate it when we watch it in spring training.
46:52
I, I, I hope this is as far as it goes, obviously, like I don't
46:57
want to go full blown robo lumps.
47:00
I think the challenge system is like it's just a little
47:04
sprinkle. It's like it's a wild card.
47:06
It's it, it adds a whole new narrative.
47:12
I think there I think there's strategy involved, which is kind
47:15
of unique about it. Like, you know, managers having
47:18
certain conversations with certain players, you know,
47:22
certain pitchers versus, you know, trusting your catcher.
47:25
Like how often are you like we're so used to seeing like
47:31
catcher by committee, kind of like there's not really like a
47:35
ton of full blown full time catchers.
47:37
So you most, you know, it's kind of like running backs in the
47:40
NFL, like most teams have two options there.
47:43
So it's like, what catchers are good with that?
47:45
Which which ones aren't? I I think there's a whole new
47:50
aspect to it. I think you'll still have the
47:54
the arguing with managers. You'll still have people tossed.
48:01
I, I think there's, there's still strategy involved.
48:05
There's still human element involved.
48:07
I feel like this is the, the best case scenario with this
48:11
progressive change that we're like was coming in inevitably.
48:16
So like I, I hope that it doesn't get to that next stage
48:19
of just umpires are meaningless. I hope this is as far as it'll
48:23
get and I I kind of like what will come out of it regular
48:31
season, by the way, before you go like that's 2026 regular
48:35
season, right? Or is it going into effect for
48:40
the postseason as well? Do we know?
48:44
I don't know. I know last year or test this
48:49
year. Sesaden spring Training.
48:50
The vote, while not unanimous, confirmed that it's coming in
48:57
2026. I'm not seeing anything about
49:02
the postseason. OK, something to watch out for I
49:05
guess. But we But we do know the time.
49:07
To find out. It's coming, yeah, it's coming
49:09
as early as this coming 2026. So that we do know.
49:16
But full transparency, I don't, I don't think I knew the full
49:19
parameters to this system. I thought it was going to be on
49:24
a more regular basis, but I did not realize that it was only
49:27
they're only going to allow each Team 2.
49:31
And it's not a use one and you keep 2 if you get it right,
49:35
right like it's 2, that's it. The So here's Here's what it
49:41
says. Hitters, pitchers and catchers
49:42
will be the only ones allowed to trigger the system by tapping
49:44
their head, and if a challenge is successful, the pitch will be
49:47
shown on in stadium video boards.
49:52
Sorry, that was a so the end of that sentence.
49:54
If a challenge is successful, teams will retain it.
49:57
OK, so you keep getting it right, you're just going to?
50:02
Yeah. And then it says teams that run
50:05
out of challenges over the 1st 9 Indians will be granted an extra
50:08
challenge in the 10th, while those that still have unused
50:11
challenges will simply carry them into extras.
50:16
So the most you could take into extras is or the most you could
50:20
have at any point, I guess by the end of the game is 3 if you
50:24
didn't use your two during the the 9 innings.
50:27
But then you get to extras, you get the you get the added bonus
50:30
challenge plus your two that carry over is how I'm
50:33
misinterpreting this. So, yeah, I mean that's, that's
50:37
digestible is like you said, as long as you don't we're not
50:40
going full blown, which I'd have to imagine that's that's in the
50:43
conversation. Well.
50:46
I mean, look at look, look, look at the Blue Jays, like
50:49
specifically that George Springer at bat should that we
50:52
just watched, right? And the one that's going viral
50:55
right now of that double down the line that was called foul
50:58
that looked like it went over the bag very next pitch punched
51:02
out on a very clear ball. Like that is a insanely massive
51:09
moment. We're talking bases loaded,
51:11
we're talking division on the line.
51:14
Like there, there's massive implications to these incorrect
51:18
calls. And in reality, like what hill
51:24
do you want to die on? Do you want integrity of the
51:28
game? Do you want accurate calls to be
51:31
accurate? Or are you like still hanging on
51:34
to like, no, like the human error, Like I, I'm not saying
51:37
you wrong either way. I think that's just like the
51:40
biggest part of this argument. And for me, I, I, I think some
51:48
of these moments are too big to pass up and like under a
51:52
microscope, like we've seen just horrendous umpiring specifically
51:56
behind the plate. And I, I don't see any way where
52:01
it's like the only thing that bugs me is like the where they
52:06
zoom in and it's like less than .1 of an inch that it misses the
52:11
zone. You know what I mean?
52:12
Like I think aspects of that will probably get under my skin
52:16
when it's going the same way. You see like a stolen base
52:19
attempt, guy comes off the bag for a split second and the tag
52:22
is still being held on. You're like, all right, well,
52:25
that's now what this has become. I think the strike zone limits
52:31
that. It's very black and white.
52:32
It's either in the zone or not. And I think it adds out, it adds
52:36
strategy into the game and when it comes down to it, like I want
52:41
correct calls. Yeah.
52:45
I mean, I think it's going to be and maybe when the the news of
52:49
this system first breaking it, like I'm sure we had different
52:53
opinions on it. But where I'm at today, knowing
52:56
what we know about their plan for 2026 is that I feel like
53:02
this is going to be something because when it happened, if you
53:05
remember when we're at the All Star game and they incorporated
53:08
the, the, the they were testing it out in that in that game and
53:11
you saw it pop up on the screen and everybody around us is
53:14
going. I feel like it's going to be
53:17
like the pitch clock where there's going to be some initial
53:20
blowback when it when it's introduced league wide in games
53:25
that matter. But I feel like it's going to be
53:27
one of those things again, going back to the point that it's only
53:29
two per team for the game. I think it's going to be one of
53:33
those things that at least for now, encompasses the best of
53:39
both worlds. The people that still want the
53:41
umpires to be part of the game, but also people that want the
53:44
option to maybe challenge some some meaningful comma impactful
53:49
calls that could change the game.
53:53
It could impact, you know, wins or losses.
53:57
And for the people that want the umpires and want limited
54:01
interruptions, it's only we're we're only talking about two
54:04
here. So it's going to I think it's
54:06
going to have minimal impact on, you know, flow of game.
54:08
But I do think it will be silly when, you know, when you think
54:13
about the extremes of these new rules that the league
54:16
introduces, it's like, OK, so does this mean that a pitch is
54:21
made? Pitcher disagrees with the call,
54:24
taps his head. Everybody is waiting with bated
54:27
breath. And then there it is, your
54:31
division winning champions. That's the ultimate fear.
54:35
I get that. It's just going to be, I mean,
54:36
the, the odds of that happening are slim, I guess.
54:39
But it's just things you think about where you're like, OK, is
54:41
this going to be sort of like a like when they check the
54:46
pictures now it's like you get these entrances, but then you
54:50
got you got to make a pit stop to get your glove checked.
54:53
It's like, I don't know, just things to think about.
54:55
But All in all, I'm not I'm not too upset about it.
54:58
I think as long as you, like you said, as long as we just don't
55:03
go full blown, I think we'll be all right.
55:07
Last last thing real quick props to Paul schemes finishing out
55:12
the year with A197 made his his final start of the year last
55:19
night against the Reds going up against hunter green, but
55:24
finishing the year with A197 safe to say only right only only
55:30
sub two this year. There's nobody else right I.
55:39
Don't know. Yeah, I don't think yeah, Terry
55:45
school 221 Next up. Yeah, so only sub two.
55:48
We are a great for what a what an accomplishment for Paul
55:53
schemes shoring up his his Cy Young resume.
55:59
So good on Paul schemes. Good to see like it's going to
56:05
be cool like this is I mean the accolades are just going to
56:07
stack up for this dude. So it's like it's.
56:10
Starting early. The dominance, yeah.
56:13
One of one of presumably many. Yeah.
56:18
Real quick shout out to shout out to our friends at at
56:20
backyard sports. Yeah, peep it peep it.
56:26
I I told him I'd be rocking the Stephanie Morgan tee on the pod.
56:30
So how about it? Look at that.
56:33
That's. My shirt on the other day.
56:35
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56:39
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56:41
I mean we got a few. We got a couple shirts, but rock
56:44
and Stephanie Morgan, that's my shortstop.
56:47
This shirt. I mean look at those things.
56:50
This this means something you're not watching on.
56:52
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56:55
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57:00
But this shirt means something to me, man, Because this isn't
57:02
just like a random backyard character.
57:05
Like this is legitimately the name that I pencil in to my
57:09
shortstop slot every game. Stud.
57:12
Stephanie Morgan, Certified G That's all I got.
57:17
You got anything else? No, I don't no, I don't.
57:23
Glued to so many games right now, like I'm coming down the
57:28
stretch. We'll, we'll hit you Sunday as
57:33
things are kind of capping like, you know, capping off and then
57:37
like we're going to have, I think Monday is an off day.
57:42
Yeah, we we confirm that right. Monday.
57:44
No, no action. Monday.
57:46
Yeah, take a day to breathe. It'll be some what, Sunday?
57:51
Monday. We still got to figure it out
57:52
with your trip, right? We're, we're coming back Sunday,
57:56
but we I think we should hopefully be back in time to
58:00
maybe do a late night, but if not, we can do something Monday.
58:04
And then post season baseball next Tuesday.
58:08
Crazy. That's where we're at, man.
58:10
We're. Already here.
58:11
Crazy. Yeah, it's that's all I got.
58:18
Merch Chinook Sea geek Don't go chasing curveballs.
58:23
We. Love you honest, always looking
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forward to talking more baseball with you guys soon.
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Until next time, stay filthy.