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3/17/26: Trump Demands $100 Billion, Rachel Maddow Deranged Monologue, US World Order Collapse, Trump NatSec Resignation · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Turning now to funding.
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  Speaker 3: We just talked a lot about the economic impact of
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  Speaker 3: this war, about how the war is going tactically, but
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  Speaker 3: remember wars have to be paid for and has to
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  Speaker 3: be paid for by all of us, and row the
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  Speaker 3: bill is starting to come do let's go and put
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  Speaker 3: this up here on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: Jake Sherman over.
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  Speaker 3: At punch Bowl, one of the most tapped in congressional
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  Speaker 3: journalists in the US.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what he writes.
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  Speaker 3: With war raging in the Middle East, the DHS is
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  Speaker 3: still shut down, the storm bearing down on the East Coast.
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  Speaker 3: Congress as returning to session today made an array of problems,
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  Speaker 3: priorities and deadlines. Oil prices are a one hundred dollars
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  Speaker 3: a barrel, the straight up Hormoz's closed. Thirteen Americans are dead.
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  Speaker 3: But let's get to the headline. The White House, Pentagon,
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  Speaker 3: and congressional leaders have already begun talks about supplemental funding
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  Speaker 3: for the Iran war. We don't expect any request to
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  Speaker 3: hit Capitol Hill this week, but the two sides are
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  Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to pass it.
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  Speaker 1: We have had.
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  Speaker 3: Several sources suggest the package may carry a price tag
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  Speaker 3: of one hundred billion or more. Lawmakers see this as
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  Speaker 3: potentially the last must pass bill of the year and
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  Speaker 3: may have to try and attach their own costly proposals.
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  Speaker 3: Reconciliation the best option for GOP leaders. There is no
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  Speaker 3: chance Democrats would allow anything to pass without a vote
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  Speaker 3: on ending the conflict or reigning in Trump's freedom to operate.
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  Speaker 3: But any new spending will have to be offset with
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  Speaker 3: cuts elsewhere, so this would be the worst of all.
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  Speaker 1: Political worlds for the White House.
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  Speaker 3: They would have to put a one hundred billion into reconciliation,
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  Speaker 3: and they have to cut one hundred billion from the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the federal budget. They've already stripped it as
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  Speaker 3: far as they could go in the last reconciliation package.
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  Speaker 3: So who wants to bet where that money's coming from?
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  Speaker 3: One hundred billion dollars. Let's be clear here about this
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  Speaker 3: one hundred billion.
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  Speaker 1: What is it about.
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  Speaker 3: It's about a supplemental funding request for the immense amounts
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  Speaker 3: that have already been spent. This isn't just about munitions,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to get to some of that here
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  Speaker 3: in a little bit. Don't forget. So we talked about
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  Speaker 3: in our a block the carrier, right, the carrier of
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  Speaker 3: the fire. Guess what the last carrier fire cost to repair?
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  Speaker 3: Seventy million dollars seventy million just to repair the last fire,
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  Speaker 3: similar fire back in two thousand and eight. I was
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  Speaker 3: just looking at that. Let's talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 3: jet fuel. Let's talk about which is currently trading a
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  Speaker 3: two hundred dollars a barrel. Let's talk about the two
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  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars a month or so that it costs
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  Speaker 3: to send a single carrier strike group. Let's talk about
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  Speaker 3: the cost of diverting a marine expeditionary force through the
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  Speaker 3: Straits of Malacca all the way over.
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  Speaker 1: And then potentially having to deploy.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about all of the new ISR and the
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  Speaker 3: intelligence people, all the reservists. I know a couple of reservists,
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  Speaker 3: they've all been called up. They're working night shifts now
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  Speaker 3: with the Pentagon. These are people who not not usually
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  Speaker 3: were working, right, and so now everybody's starting to get paid.
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  Speaker 1: All of these.
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  Speaker 3: Reservists are all over there. Remember, a vast majority of
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  Speaker 3: the people who've been killed already in the war were
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  Speaker 3: actually called up from the Army reserve or from the
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  Speaker 3: Air Force reserve. So we've got I mean, I would
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  Speaker 3: estimate the current true costs of the war already to
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  Speaker 3: probably be about one hundred billion, and that doesn't even
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  Speaker 3: mention the interceptors and the drones and all that stuff, which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, I mean this is my counterintruitor.
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  Speaker 1: I actually do think we need to.
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  Speaker 3: Pay for all of that, But it puts everybody in
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  Speaker 3: a bind here where yeah, we should pay, because obviously
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  Speaker 3: we need real defense readiness. Like South Korea's out there,
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  Speaker 3: their economy is getting destroyed. They could The President basically
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  Speaker 3: declared emergency this morning and talking about he went on
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  Speaker 3: the airwaves. He's like, we have a serious problem. God,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this. Sri Lanka Wednesdays
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  Speaker 3: are now off. They're like, we're not working wednesdays.
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  Speaker 1: To save oil, to save gas.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a disaster in the rest of the world,
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  Speaker 3: but in our economy it's just going to manifest in
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  Speaker 3: high prices. And then politically, how could any Democrat or honestly,
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  Speaker 3: even some of the anti war Republicans, how can you
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  Speaker 3: vote for the war because it's not congressionally authorized and
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  Speaker 3: it's basically a free hand to keep the economic punishment
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  Speaker 3: of our own country going for as long as possible.
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  Speaker 3: This is why you don't get into a war without
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  Speaker 3: congressional authorization in the first place. If you authorize it,
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  Speaker 3: then yeah, you better fund it. Okay, well articulated strategic goals,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm going to brace everybody. The way that this
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  Speaker 3: is all going to play out is they're going to
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  Speaker 3: say they want everybody, they want us to leave our
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  Speaker 3: men in uniform hanging. Oh, you complained about the interceptors,
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  Speaker 3: but you don't want to replace the interceptors.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we can talk about that. We can
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  Speaker 1: talk about that strategy.
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  Speaker 3: But in the interim, right now, right now, this is
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  Speaker 3: about a freehand to keep this BS war going, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that everyone really needs to brace because this
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  Speaker 3: will be a titanic political fight that's actually.
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  Speaker 2: Getting They're already using that rhetoric with politicians who say
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  Speaker 2: on the Democratic side, who say they oppose funding the war,
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  Speaker 2: like how can you leave.
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  Speaker 4: Our service members at risk?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, and some of the Democrats have said,
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  Speaker 2: like Melissa Slotkins, She's like, well, we're in it now,
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  Speaker 2: so we have to support them. I think most of
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  Speaker 2: if not all, of those Democrats out aside from John
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  Speaker 2: Fetterman who's lost costs, but anyway, I think they will
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  Speaker 2: all change their tune because what you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: signing up for is literally making the case to Americans
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  Speaker 2: we're going to cut your health care, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: cut snap, we're going to cut head Start, We're going
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  Speaker 2: to cut like the things that actually benefit the American
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  Speaker 2: people to fund this war that is not authorized, that
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  Speaker 2: no one asks for, that you know, prior to launch,
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  Speaker 2: had like a twenty thirty percent of support rating. You're
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  Speaker 2: going to ask people to give up real things that
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  Speaker 2: they benefit from the federal government. In order to fund
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  Speaker 2: that war effort. You're not asking the rich to pay anymore.
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  Speaker 2: You're not asking for that. You're not asking the you know,
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  Speaker 2: military industrial complex that are getting rich, not asking those
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  Speaker 2: corporate entities to pay anymore to fund this absolute disaster.
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  Speaker 4: No that is going to come.
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  Speaker 2: It is going to skin off the back of a
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  Speaker 2: population that has already been screwed. And then you're going
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  Speaker 2: to pay again at the gas pump. And then you're
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  Speaker 2: going to pay again when you go to the grocery
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  Speaker 2: store and the costs are passed through to you, and
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  Speaker 2: you're going to pay again when companies do gre inflation
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  Speaker 2: like they did before and recognize, like, oh there's an
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  Speaker 2: inflation going on, I can add even more to the
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  Speaker 2: price of my goods, and I can get away with
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  Speaker 2: it because we know they did that during COVID and
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  Speaker 2: they will surely do it again.
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  Speaker 4: So that is who is going to actually pay for
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  Speaker 4: this war.
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  Speaker 2: Good luck, good luck making that case to the American people.
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  Speaker 2: This war right now is as popular as it will
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  Speaker 2: ever be, and the best polling I've seen for it
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  Speaker 2: is fifty to fifty the best polling I've seen for it.
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  Speaker 2: Compare that to the Iraq War. There was an overwhelming
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  Speaker 2: support at the beginning the Afghanistan War. Even more, it
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  Speaker 2: was like ninety percent support for the Afghanistan war at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning. Wars do not get more popular over time,
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  Speaker 2: especially not the way we fight them, where we end
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  Speaker 2: up getting bogged down in quagmire, you know, losing massive
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  Speaker 2: amounts of treasure and lives and creating a gigantic mess,
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  Speaker 2: which this thing all ready is. So to your point
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  Speaker 2: about the cost, I saw an estimate that just in
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  Speaker 2: munition's expenditure, it's been over twelve billion dollars just that,
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  Speaker 2: And so whatever they're brief in Congress with, they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's been eleven billion dollars so far.
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  Speaker 4: That is total and complete bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: It has already cost so much more for that than that.
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  Speaker 2: But yet when you go to the government, you know,
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  Speaker 2: could we maybe have healthcare like the rest of the world, Oh, no,
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  Speaker 2: we can't afford it. Could we get some support in
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  Speaker 2: terms of affordable housing built on social house, Oh now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, we can't afford it. When it comes to
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  Speaker 2: funding the war effort, there was always endless cash, an
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  Speaker 2: endless number of politicians ready to sign up to put
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  Speaker 2: the bill to push that to the taxpayers to fund
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  Speaker 2: the latest adventure for the military industrial complex and the
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  Speaker 2: war profity.
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  Speaker 3: I'll also to show you guys like the problem in
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  Speaker 3: the way that we file. Let's put CE two up
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  Speaker 3: here on the screen. Okay, So this is a great
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  Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal story about these Reaper drones. And by
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  Speaker 3: the way, everybody get familiar with this stuff, because these
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  Speaker 3: are the arguments that they're all going to be making
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  Speaker 3: whenever they're asking for more money. So Reaper drones take
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  Speaker 3: the fight to Iran, but at a cost, So they
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  Speaker 3: talk about Iranian shiad.
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  Speaker 1: Drones have gotten attention.
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  Speaker 3: The US is raging its own drone war, right, So
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  Speaker 3: these are surveillance drones, widespread strikes MQ nine Reaper drone.
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  Speaker 1: They've been used in the battle.
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  Speaker 3: Attacking hundreds of targets surveillance and they are able to strike.
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  Speaker 3: The US military has done little to highlight the role,
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  Speaker 3: but the telltale indications of their operations are evident in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the videos that Sentcom has been releasing.
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  Speaker 3: They're flown remotely in the US. They were used a
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  Speaker 3: lot during the War on Terror. Well, a current estimate
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  Speaker 3: puts it that some ten percent of the entire fleet
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  Speaker 3: has now been lost as a result of not just
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  Speaker 3: this conflict with Iran, but.
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  Speaker 1: I missed this, it was also with the Hoo These.
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  Speaker 3: Now, the unit cost of each one of these drones
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  Speaker 3: is about thirty million dollars. Compare that to the unit
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  Speaker 3: cost of the Iranian Shiad drone between twenty to one
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  Speaker 3: hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 4: That was seven It depends, so I.
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  Speaker 3: Actually listened to an analysis on this. It's part of interesting.
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  Speaker 3: The short range ones are cheap, obviously, this is like
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  Speaker 3: seven grand. Apparently this is the Ukrainian model. The Ukrainians
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  Speaker 3: of these like really tiny ones which will only fly like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a couple hundred yards, obviously a super cheap.
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  Speaker 3: The Iranian ones that are capable of hitting like Dubai
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  Speaker 3: and stuff, those are more expensive, obviously because I have
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  Speaker 3: to fly several thousand kilometers.
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  Speaker 1: But regardless, we're talking about a thirty.
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  Speaker 3: Million dollars drone versus a twenty thirty thousand dollars drone.
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  Speaker 3: All right, this the math doesn't math whenever this Whenever
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  Speaker 3: it looks like this. Now the argument is going to be, well,
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  Speaker 3: what we have to do is we have to top
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  Speaker 3: up you know this stuff instead really what we should do,
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  Speaker 3: and we should do this with everything the Pentagon bureaucracy
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  Speaker 3: is take a look at the Ukrainian conflict, the Ukraine
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  Speaker 3: Russia conflict, take a look at Iran.
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  Speaker 1: What's the lesson is that cheap, cheap, it is easy.
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  Speaker 3: To produce, mass producible stuff is always going to be
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  Speaker 3: massively beneficial in a long term engagement. And the problem
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  Speaker 3: with the US military I have talked about it's like
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  Speaker 3: a Rolls Royce engine, like it's super expensive and it
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  Speaker 3: functions at a really really high level, but when it breaks,
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  Speaker 3: massively expensive to fix. You need all these mechanics and
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  Speaker 3: technicians and very hard to produce. Did you know so
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  Speaker 3: Tomahawk missiles we fired untold numbers of them. Do you
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  Speaker 3: know how many that we produced last year?
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  Speaker 1: Fifty seven?
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  Speaker 3: Fifty seven We've fired several hundred now so far over
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  Speaker 3: several years of Tomahawk missiles. There's one facility in Arizona
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  Speaker 3: which makes them all one.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you've got no decent you've got no decentralized
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  Speaker 3: industrial base, nothing, So there's even a fire there.
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  Speaker 1: It's over right.
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  Speaker 3: And think about that too from a perspective of like
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  Speaker 3: our own vulnerabilities. So when they come for this supplemental,
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  Speaker 3: the demand needs to be no, look, we can have
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  Speaker 3: more that, we can have more patriots, tomahawks and all
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  Speaker 3: that other stuff. But to do that, it needs to be,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to our actual interest, not for some endless
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  Speaker 3: ridiculous conflict here with Iran. We need to be looking
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  Speaker 3: at Korea, Japan, the Asia Pacific and say these are
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  Speaker 3: the places which deserve it. These are the places here
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  Speaker 3: at home why we need it. And this is where
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  Speaker 3: Congress to step in. They need to set actual rules
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  Speaker 3: where you can't just be going around launching wars of
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  Speaker 3: choice and aggression. So we got to balance. Like I
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  Speaker 3: understand people are like, we don't need any more weapons.
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  Speaker 3: It's really not about that. What we do need to do, though,
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  Speaker 3: is to make sure that these ridiculous defense industrial companies
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  Speaker 3: which are here in Northern Virginia aren't printing billions of
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  Speaker 3: dollars at the expense of us as a taxpayer and
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  Speaker 3: making us all less safe. Like we need a total reimagining.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of the people I know in the
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  Speaker 3: Pentagon this.
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  Speaker 1: Was their whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's the craziest part is that all of these ideas.
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  Speaker 3: I know the people who thought them, and they work
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  Speaker 3: in the current Pentagon. They many of them wrote essays
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  Speaker 3: why we should not go to war with Iran for
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  Speaker 3: this exact reason, And now we're here. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 3: the prospect of having to cut further cut Medicare or
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  Speaker 3: something like that to fund the war with Iran, which
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  Speaker 3: again is the very likely possibility right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just that's where the money is. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the government is like missiles and healthcare. Yes, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we mostly spend our you know, government money on Social
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  Speaker 2: Security that has its own funding mechanism.
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  Speaker 4: But that's largely those are the two buckets.
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  Speaker 2: And so yes, this one hundred billion dollars apparently it's
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  Speaker 2: going to come from somewhere, and that is the place
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  Speaker 2: where the cuts can and will be made. So that's
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  Speaker 2: the case that they're going to make to the American people.
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  Speaker 2: And you know there's another piece of this, like I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a you know, deficit hawk. You know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a ballanced budget amendment person. You know, I usually think
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  Speaker 2: that this like how are you going to pay for it?
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  Speaker 2: Thing is silly and is not the way that federal government.
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  Speaker 2: You know, It's not like balancing your household checkbook. We
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  Speaker 2: print currency, we are the world's reserve currency, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: So it's very different than your household budget. However, Yannis
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: very Fawca says he doesn't think the dollar as the
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  Speaker 2: reserve currency is going away anytime soon, and I do
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  Speaker 2: put a lot of stock in what he says.
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  Speaker 4: However, there are a lot of others who.
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  Speaker 2: Are like, things are going to move increasingly in that
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  Speaker 2: direction as the US, you know, is this declining empire
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  Speaker 2: trying to throw its weight around the world getting humiliated
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  Speaker 2: currently in Iran, and the Iranians are saying, oh, you
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  Speaker 2: can bring your oil tanker through the straight offorms as
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  Speaker 2: long as it's denominated in Chinese won the bricks. Countries
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  Speaker 2: have been, you know, making their efforts to try to
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  Speaker 2: create an alternative currency. The war against Russia, the proxy
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  Speaker 2: war we've been waging in Ukraine against Russia, has.
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  Speaker 4: Also pushed things in that direction.
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  Speaker 2: And if the dollar is no longer the world's preserve currency,
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  Speaker 2: then you really do have to start worrying about the debt.
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  Speaker 2: Then that is something that you are going to have
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  Speaker 2: to figure out, and they are going to be massive,
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  Speaker 2: massive cuts, So you know, the more that we spin
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  Speaker 2: up that debt in a war that is itself undermining
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  Speaker 2: our position of the war as the world's reserve currency,
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  Speaker 2: the more you are courting an absolute economic catastrophe for
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  Speaker 2: our own country here at home.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean this, look, the reserve stuff is
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  Speaker 3: all important. And I actually think Giannis's point is good too,
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  Speaker 3: where he's like, look, you know, don't write the obituary
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  Speaker 3: just yet. And because everything seems obvious in retrospect, and
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  Speaker 3: even Suez in the time, nobody was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: the British Empire is over.
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  Speaker 1: That's not really how it.
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  Speaker 4: Went down, right, it in retrospect, but it took back.
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  Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy you're like, oh wow, like obviously that
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  Speaker 3: it was super important, right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean I've talked about it before.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody in nineteen nineteen said, oh, the British Empire is over, right,
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  Speaker 3: They're like, actually we've won, you know, yes, we're horribly
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  Speaker 3: you know damage, but and yeah, we owe all this
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  Speaker 3: money to the United States. But look at all this
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  Speaker 3: vast swath of territory we control now in the middle exact.
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  Speaker 3: But it ends up being a noose around their neck, right,
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  Speaker 3: and it ends up. Actually after the Second World War,
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  Speaker 3: that's when they really wake up and they realized that
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  Speaker 3: the entire world is different. But those types of events
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: are extremely rare. It's slow bleed. Like if I were
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: to guess that you know the history of our decline,
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: it'll start with Iraq. I think Iraq is going to
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: be the real one, which you can look at the
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: balance sheet. We tried to have a political corrective. How
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: many change elections did we have for since Iraq? So
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Obama Trump Trump too, So we had four change elections
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: of Americans being like police, get us out of it.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: And that's just at the level, at the congressional level,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: it's just back and forth and back of wave election
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: after wave election after wave election.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: That's actually a sign by the way of empire is
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: that you have a bipartisan they're called like grandees in
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: the British Empire, where no matter who changed in the government,
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: everyone was still around the empire. And the whole point
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: is that the bipartisan elite locked up in this has
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: put us to this funding role. Where as you said,
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: the government is weapons and diabetic health care for old people.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: That's it, plus social security, that's basically all we actually do.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: There's two percent of the budget to weather balloons and
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: doged bullshit.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: About the Department of That's nothing. That's a lily a
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: rounding it.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all social security, healthcare, prescription drugs and you know,
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: diabetes for fat old people, and weapons.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah boom.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I mean as an example of that, I've been looking
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: into dough. I've been I don't know if you guys
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: have followed these dough stuff really something. But in case,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: it was the largest peacetime reduction in workforce in a
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: workforce in our history. Okay, it was a huge cut
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: in terms of the number of bodies in the federal government.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: It didn't matter at all in terms of the cost
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: costs went up. Okay, there was a negligible impact on
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: the overall federal budget because that is not what the
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: money is spent on. So they got rid of all
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: these people and the spending went up because that's not
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: where the money is spent. And you've got a lot
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: of people who run around with no understanding of that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: They think that, you know, if we just like cut
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: our aid to Botswana or something, then you know, I
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: forgot the budget.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: That was another one debt servicing because interest rates are
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: going up.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's nothing we can do really about that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, Trump is trying to pressure the federal reserve
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: and see if that works. But you know, that's not
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: something that you can cut in a reconciliation bill to
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: fund a war effort for.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: It, exactly.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: But all look, we have lived through these types of
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: events before. So when we had Vietnam, we had stagflation.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Obviously that was a horrific crisis that followed. Don't forget
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: you know Iraq, I mean, Iraq was a huge impact
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: on the precipitating financial crisis. It seriously drained up major
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: parts of the economy. It juced all this ridiculous government spending.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: The Bush administration was throwing everything they could in terms
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: of incentives too, to try and make the you know,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: the impression that everything was okay and then it all
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: goes bus in eight. A lot of people don't actually
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: remember how important Iraq actually was to the eventual crisis
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: of two thousand and eight. And you know, I was
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: just looking this morning. You got a three month high
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: here in mortgage interest rates, right some like six point
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: eight percent to get six point seven percent plus nineteen.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Basis points just from the last week.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Six point seven percent is I mean, that's insanity, that's
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: really really high. And yeah, there's a boomer out there
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: who bought their house for like one hundred k who
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: was telling me about how they paid a fourteen interest rate,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: not the same when the average price is like five
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: hundred thousand here in the US.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: But we're gonna have to say, I actually.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I think this one could genuinely trigger like a major
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: budget discussion and political cycle in Washington ahead of the midterms.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And it's going to be all self inflicted. They have
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: to pass it. Trump is going to go all in
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: for war funding, which means you have to cut something,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: which so the Dems can run against the war and
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: against the cuts and against all the other nonsense it's
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: been going on for the last year. That's how you
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: get a two thousand and six style blowout, and that's
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: what we're on track for.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: So speaking of the Dems, yeah, right, should we go
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: take a look at their premier propaganda channel. So Rachel
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Maddow has she has figured this out. She has unlocked
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the mystery of why it is we're going to war,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and it's because of these foreign countries manipulating the president
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and the way that Jared Kushner is in hawk to them.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Guess what country she does not name among the foreign
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: countries that she believes are the reason, the primary reason
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that we're now at war in Iran. I'll just I'll
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: let you guess, and you can take a listen to
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: what she has to say.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Kuibono, right, Who benefits?
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: It's always useful to start that question in any country,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: who benefits? Who wants Iran bombed off the map? And
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: for their own reasons? Who are Iran's rivals and enemies?
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Perennially it's the Gulf Arab States, countries like Saudi Arabia
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: and United Arab Emirates and Cutter, you know, Cutter, the
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: country that just gave Donald Trump a really really nice
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: four hundred million dollar plane, really a gilded flying palace
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: for his own use, both during the presidency, during his
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: presidency and after. Trump plans to take that plane with
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: him and keep using it after he leaves office, if
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: he ever leaves office. And you remember United Arab Emirates,
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: famous for recently structuring a totally pointless crypto financial transaction
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: so that two billion dollars of.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: It would be stuffed into the Trump.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Family's otherwise worthless, brand new crypto financial firm. And of course,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: you remember the Saudis who stuffed another two billion dollars
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: into the pockets of Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: just as Trump's first term in office came.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: To a close.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: You might remember enough people were alarmed about that when
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: it happened that the Trump folks actually sort of bothered
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: to come up with an excuse for what made that okay?
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: They said, don't worry, Jared will never again work for
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: the US government. He's never coming back to Washington, So
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: it's okay that he's taken all this money from the Saudis.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Now we will never have to worry about having somebody
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: involved in US policy who has also just been given
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: billions of dollars by Saudi Arabia apparently for no reason.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Well that was the explanation when he took all that
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: money from the Saudis at the end of Trump's first term.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: And now today, who has been leading the negotiations on
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: behalf of the United States government with Iran before we
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: just started this war with them today, I mean Secretary
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: of State Mark Rubio was in Saint Kitts this week.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Wasn't him, No, it was Jared Kushner, President's son in law,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: recently paid billions of dollars by Iran's chief rival, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: nevertheless sitting there alongside Trump's tiny real estate friend Steve Whitkoff,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: who has sought recently to improve his considerable family fortunes
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: by going to Cutter to seek money from its sovereign
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: wealth fund. Weird that those talks didn't work, right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, how insane is it at the beginning, when
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: she's like, who benefits who wants to see Iran bomb?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Who constantly hates Irn? And You're like, I know, I know.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: How about the country run by the guy who said
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: this is his dream for forty years?
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: How about that?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: How about Israel and oh Katar Saudi? And look, I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: think like there is a point about the Saudi's in
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: particular regional rivals with Iran Zooni versus she H all
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of that. There's some reporting suggests this Howdi's were in
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: on this war too, Okay? Miriam Addison gave Trump one
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: hundred million. If you're going to talk about the corruption here,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: gave him one hundred million dollars for his campaign. How
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: is that not anywhere in your little listicle here? Like
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: it is crazy to me this second time she's done
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: this too.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: This is like she's all in.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: She's all in on that. This is her new Russia Gate.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: This is and and there will I I you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: don't watch any cable because very often, but I'm sure
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: there will be others at the network who take up
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: this line because they realize, you know, she's setting the tone.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: She's like the quarterback of the network. She sets the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: tone for what are the acceptable things to talk about
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: and what rates and where is the narrative going. And
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to say, I even with the Democratic base,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: who you know, probably continues to love Rachel Maddow, like
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: this is not going to work. The views on Israel
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and the overwhelming view that it was Israel and Trump
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: trying to cover up the Epstein files that effectively got
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: us into this war, and that is going to persist
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: among the Democratic base and the broader public regardless of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the way that Rachel Maddow tries to shape this propaganda effort.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: But that is it was wild to see.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Her go down that list and then to believe Israel oftentier.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I'm watching it, I'm like, is this wilful at this point?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Like our huge and obviously I think the only answer answer, yes,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: this is the only NBC News approved way of being
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: able to talk about corruption and why we got into
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: the war in the first place. You know, every once
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: in a while they'll have somebody on their network who
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: tells the truth, but be honest. I mean, take a
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: look at CNN, at MSNBC and Fox.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: How often do they talk about Israel.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: In a way that tells the truth about how they
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: dragged us into this war? Yes with Trump, Yes, with Trump,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: But do they talk about the forty year commitment? Do
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: they do hear any of that type of criticism. The
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: closest we got was Laura Ingram talking to Ted Cruz
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: asking if it was weird how tied in Lindsey Graham
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: was in with Mosat, but even that she still supports
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: the war right. That is about as close as I
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: have seen so far. There's been no CNN panels, no
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: MSNBC panel, no gas almost nothing really that actually goes
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: after the true reasons for this. So that's part of
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the reason why when you look at public sentiment too,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: First of all, it's crazy how enough people are still
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: even with all this overwhelming propaganda or like yeah, no,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: we're not yelling this. But second, why the boomers are
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: still where they are right now, They literally just don't
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: have the information like period.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Well it's also why treat To Parsi is such an
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: important media figure because they have him on MSNBC, they
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: have him on CNN, and he's one of the few
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: people that they have on who actually like understands the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: world and tells the truth about what's going on here.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: But you know, in terms of the basically the only
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: group in the country not basically literally the only group
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: in the country that still supports Israel the way they
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: used to is Boomer Republicans. The democratic base has I mean,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it's gone, it is done, it is over and independence
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly as well. We can put this up on the
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: screen guys from NBC News. It shows you the way
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: that views on Israel have shifted just between twenty twenty
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: three and twenty twenty six, so in three years time. Okay,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty three, when you ask people are
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: your views of Israel positive or negative? Overall, forty seven
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: percent said positive and only twenty four percent said negative.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Now the overall numbers, okay, this is not just demo,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: this is overall in the whole country. Thirty two percent
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: have a positive view of Israel and thirty nine percent
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: have a negative view.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: So the plurality of the.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Country now has a negative view, and then thirty percent
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: are neutral or don't know. With Democrats, only thirteen percent
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: still have a positive view of Israel fifty seven percent,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: so a strong, almost supermajority of Democratic base voters have
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: an actively negative view of Israel.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Back just three years ago.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, it was evenly split thirty four
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: to thirty five in terms of views. Independents only twenty
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: one percent a positive view of Israel. The only partisan
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: group that continues to have a net favorable view are Republicans.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Even there there's been some decline. So back in twenty
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: twenty three, sixty three percent of Republicans had a positive
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: view of Israel. Now it's down to fifty four percent.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Still a majority, but you can see the bleed among
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: younger Republicans. And as I said before, if you do
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the age breakdown, it is boomer Republicans who are still
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: like you know, holding the flame still, you know, carrying
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: the torch.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: For Israel the way that they used to.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But you know, I think this is important, not only
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: because of the news propaganda piece, but I really think
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: this plays into the way Israel is thinking right now
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: and part of why they're behaving in such a a
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: psychotic manner. I mean, they have that in them. But
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: why they're latching out in this extraordinarily aggressive way in Lebanon,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: in you know, getting their puppet government in Syria, obviously,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: in Iran, in the West Bank, in Gaza, It's because
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: they know their political clock is ticking, that the lockstep
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: support that they have had from both Democrats and Republicans
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: is over. They've got their guy in the White House
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: right now. They need to go for it all, the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: whole thing right now, because there are going to be
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: no guarantees for them in the future.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You're exactly right.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: The actual generational shifts in this this is part of
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the reason why Israel wanted to go for broke now.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: They want to become the global superpower, the regional power
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: that they've wanted to for many decades. They want to
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: shed the United States, destabilize the Gulf, basically call the
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: shots for America and for the rest of the world.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: But you know, look, it's going to be up to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: the future generations of America. How it's not just about
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: our security relationship with Israel. It's going to be old
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: a security relationship with the whole world as to whether
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: all of this is working out.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I hope it works out better, I really do. We
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: have Glenn Deson standing by.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Let's get to.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: It, all right, guys from more analysis on the Iran
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: war from a global perspective.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: We are joined for.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: The first time, and I'm excited about this by Glenn Deeson.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: He's host of the Glen Decent YouTube channel, which Saga
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and I both watch quite routinely. He's also a professor
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: of Russian international affairs, focuses on geo economics, conservatism, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: the Greater Eurasia Initiative.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Great to see you, Glenn, Good to.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: See you well.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: Thank you so far much for the invitation. I'm a
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: great fan of both of you.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, it's certainly mutual. I just want to
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: start with your top line view of this war, what
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: it's about, and how it's going so far.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Well, I think it was quite evident that this war
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: was always about regime change, and I think what we
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: often underestimated was that regime change in Iran might also
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: entail the destruction or volcanization of Iran. And I think
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: this is quite evident because when everyone speaks of regime change,
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: there is no in the replacement government in the rear
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: which can simply be put in with legitimacy. So either
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: this would have to be you know, the Shah two
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: point zero, you know, rule with brutality, or the country
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: would then just disintegrate into civil war between diferent factions.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: So I see this. I think this is important because
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: it explains that this is not just a threat to
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: the government of Iran but also the country. So once
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Iran sees this an existential threat, it shouldn't be any
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: surprise that it reacts in this way, which is why
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: many of my guests, both Americans and Iranians on the podcast,
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: kind of predicted this well before the invasion, that if
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: they're attacked, they will straight the closest straight Overmuse rather
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: quickly and just begin to attack all American bases in
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: the entire region, because this is a fight for survival.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: And I think This is one thing we were left
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: out when we sold this war as simply being about
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: helping protester and liberating girls. Because if this was simply
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: the case, the Iranians wouldn't see this as existential threat
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: and they wouldn't respond in this way. So I think
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: this is just escalating more and more, and we're getting
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: into some very dangerous territory, especially with the potential of
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: the destruction or of carg Island. I think that's when
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: all bets are Glin.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I'm really curious actually for your view of the bigger
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: geopolitical implications. So obviously you're an expert with Russia and
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: with Ukraine. You've been analyzing this war. Now four years now.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: We have watched actually oil climb to high prices. The
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Kremlin has been able to get some sanctions taken off
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: their oil. They're massively enriching their war machine. I just
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: saw that the I think it's the Belgian Prime minister
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: came out, Yester and said maybe we should normalize relations
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: with Russia. This is already having huge ripple effects across
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the globe. Tell us how you see that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: Well, well, this is part of the problem with the
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: run war. That is, for four years we tried to
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: knock out Russia from the ranks of great powers and
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: it failed. And especially when Trump took over a year ago,
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: if we couldn't do it with the Americans, we can't
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: do it without them. And nonetheless Europeans tried to keep
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: it going. So the US is still involved, of course
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: with the intelligence, the targeting logistics, also selling the weapons
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: instead of necessarily providing them for free. But the idea
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: for Europe was if we just keep it going for
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: a bit longer, then perhaps something would happen in Russia. Now,
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: of course, the Iran War has major implications for the
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Ukraine War. The Ukraine War was already going very poorly.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: That there's a massive manpower shortage, so the Ukrainians don't
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: have enough men. The US doesn't have that much weapon
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: to send anymore, so there's a weapon shortage, and also
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: there's an economic problem. So you end up with this
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: situation where the Europeans want to buy weapons with money
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: they don't have to buy American weapons which don't exist,
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: to arm Ukrainian soldiers, which are you know, also don't
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: exist anymore. So it was always a huge problem. But now,
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: of course, with the Iran war also entering, then there's
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: even less there's less weapons coming from the US and Europeans.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: They are well, the energy prices are now going from
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: bad to wars, and they're preparing themselves for complete that
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: can make meltdowns. So it's not ideal to keep this
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: war going. So I think there's some voices now who
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: would like to see an end to the war. The
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: problem is that the Europeans locked themselves into narratives of
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: simply an opportunistic Russia wanting territory. They never recognized that
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: this was an existential threat for Russia, which meant every
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: time we escalated, the Russians would just respond in turn.
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: So it's a little bit like the problem with Iran.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: We don't recognize the security concerns of opponents, so we
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: misjudge their policies and how they would respond to ours.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: One of the rationales that has been offered sort of
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: after the fact of why this war is happening, why
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: this war is actually a smart strategic play for the US,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: is that since China gets a lot of their oil
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: for Iran, this is going to be damaging to China.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: What do you think is the Chinese perspective of the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Iran War and the likely impact on that country.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: Well, they do get oil from Iran, so they don't
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: care for any disruptions. And of course, if the use
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: would be successful, well in regime changing Iran either put
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: in a government loyal to the US or the country
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: disintegrates or you know, turns into chaos. It would be
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: bad for Iran, sorry for China. But you know, it
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: can also go the other way. That is, if the
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: United States now fails in this war, which seems more
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: likely that it will, and part of the objectives of
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: the Iranians is to expel the Americans from the regions.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: That is, to not just destroy a basis, but also
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: make the Gold States reach the conclusion that they will
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: have more security without hosting US basis. Then suddenly the
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: US is no longer a key security provider in the
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: Middle East. If it's not a key security provider, then
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: some of the foundations of the petro dollar goes away.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: Why would they still then trade only in dollars, especially
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: when in new economic centers of power. And then if
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: all of these petro dollars aren't recycled into the US,
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: what would happen with the AI tech bubble, which you
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: know is in direct competition in the AI competition with
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: the Chinese. So there's a lot of things that can
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: go wrong for the United States in this competition with China.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: But of course if the US could seize control over
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: these natural resources. Again, this was very openly an objective
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: in Venezuela to take control of it, make sure they
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: don't link themselves too closely to Russia and China, but
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: also in the Middle East, as Linda Graham suggested, We've
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: got to make a ton of money here, and obviously
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: from the energy going to well whoever America wants to
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: go to instead of China. So there is a lot
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: more of a great power politics play going on here,
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: and I think this is all, you know, this is
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: what ties the competition with China, Iran, Russia. We're living
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: in a very historical time. We're seeing the end of
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: the hegemonic era which was established after the Cold War,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: and we're now seeing this transition into multiplarity. And at
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: the moment it's being pulled in both directions, which is
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: a source of some of the more violent parts of
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: our conflicts.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Now, you know, one of the things I'm interested in Glenn,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: here is to think. You know we've talked here about
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: but I'm also curious for your view as to how
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: this will play out in terms of history, and so
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: you talked to her about the end of the hegemonic era.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: We talked to Giannis far Focus earlier and he said,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I would be I would be hesitant to say that
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: this would be the immediate death of the American Empire
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: and compare it, let's say, to a Suez moment for
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the British. However, as I said, even at the time
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: of Suez, nobody was like, this is the end of
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: the British empires. Only in retrospect that were able to
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: look back and see that. If you had that lens
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: on and you were looking with the Iran crisis but
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: all these other things, what would the specific timeline and
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: events that you would look for to say definitively this
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: was the beginning of the end.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Well, I also don't wouldn't to go for with the
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Suis Canal comparison, because Britain had very different fundamentals. In
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: the United States, the US is a massive power. It
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: will remain so even if it's an economy will begin
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: to collapse. It's it's going to recover, it's going to
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: be a key player. So I wouldn't dismiss it US
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: going simply Britain could disappear, but that's not the case
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: with the United States. But I think it's a longer
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: transition and it's worth keeping in mind what the world
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: order signifies. That is, what are the basic rules, which
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: depends on how security is created. When you have the
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: international system with all these large powers competing against each other,
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: then the question is what creates security. Well, usually it
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: would be a pursuit of indivisible security because if countries compete,
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: that is, if the United States builds the missiles, that's
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: security for US, but insecurity for China, and then China
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: will respond and we end up in the security competition.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: So usually peace is created if you recognize the security
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: concerns of your opponents and you tried to elevate the
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: common security, that is indivisible security. Well, after the Cold War,
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: there was only one center of power, and the US
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: promoted a different approach to security, which was the hegemonic piece,
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: which means you don't have to take into consideration other
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: centers of power. You only have one power which dominates
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: and Indeed, the more the US could dominate, as any
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: other countries, even coalitions could aspire to challenge the US,
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: this would be the source of security. So this was
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: the liberal hegemon, one center of power, there's no more
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: great power rivalry, and that hegemon is a liberal democracy,
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: so it will try to transcend some of the uglier
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: parts of former politics, so elevate the role of democracy
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: in human rights. This was the main idea. It would
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: be a benign hegemon. But of course the key problem
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: is over time the hegemon will always exhaust itself, as
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: we've see in more debts, and also it depends on
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: keeping other powers down. So eventually other centers of power
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: would then figure out that they have to work together
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: to balance the US. So you see institutions such as
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: bricks like why would the Brazil, Russia, India, China, South
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: Africa and you know Iran all these other countries suddenly
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: have a commonality. Well, of course they want them different
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: economic architecture, but they also want to balance hegemon hegemonic
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: aspirations of the United States.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: So I think these are.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: The the wider trends happening, and what I would look
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: for would be some of the key crisis we had,
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: for example, the attempt to break China. This was a
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: key part of this of trying to restore hedge money.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: But it doesn't work. The Chinese are not just an
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: industrial power, they're also on high tech power. If anything,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: they can use their AI more to be implemented within
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: industrial capacity, so they have more ability to well, to
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: make some revenue of their AI. We saw then with Russia,
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: the objective on the by the administration was to use
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: the Ukrainians to try to knock out Russia and then
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: the US could focus on China. It didn't work, so
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Trump then instead tried to get Russia on our side
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: of the Ledger by improving relations. And to some extent,
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: the same applies for Iran. The assumption if you can
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: knock out Iran, they take out an important player at
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: the southern end of the Eurasian continent. The problem is
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: all of this tends to backfire. That is, when if
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: one goes after Russia, it will align itself closer with China.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: Now the attempt to defeat the Iranians, they will link
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: themselves closer to both Russia and China, and ideally at
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: some point I think the United States will reach the
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: conclusion what many people thought was America first, which is
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: if the US just pulls back a bit, just aspires
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: to aspire to be one among many great powers, it
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: will be able to restore its domestic strength. And suddenly,
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: if it doesn't have that big footprint on the Eurasian continent,
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: then the Europeans, the Russians, the Iranians, the Chinese would
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: begin soft balancing each other at least. But we're not
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: quite there yet. I think there's still these efforts by
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: the United States to restore its hegemony. But I think
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: that the defeat in the Ukraine War and now likely
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: defeat in the Iran War will more or less put
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: an end to this.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: My last question for you, Glenn is we had a
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: tree to party on, and he said, you know, from
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the Israeli perspective, they feel that this war is going great,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: that this is all going exactly the way that they
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: wanted to go. They finally succeeded and getting a US
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: president to launch the war they've been pushing for years
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and years. Of course, blame still lies with Trump, but
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: no doubt that Yahoo and others allied with him. We're
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: making the case, and that ended up being persuasive to Trump.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Do you view it that way and how do you
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: see the interests of Israel diverging from the interests of
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the United States.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Well, these Israelis aren't that different from the Europeans in
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: this regard, because the Europeans also think that what's missing
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: with the United States is not the capabilities. They still
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: believe the United States has this infinite resources and capabilities
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: to essential defeat wherever they want. So the Europeans wanted
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: simply for America, we can bring them back into the
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: war against Russia, then more directly, then we will win.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: And Israel is more or less thought the same. That is,
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: if you can just get the United States to attack Iran, yes,
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: it might not exist, might not succeed with the regime change,
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: but in another long war, over time, the Iranians will
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: be weakened and hopefully the government can be toppled and
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: even possibly the country could be Balkanized. So getting finally
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: a US president after all these years, and they have
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: talked about this war for many decades, now there's this
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: opportunity to as long as the US kept in the war,
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: that they can knock out Iran eventually, maybe not now,
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: maybe in five years. But I guess here's that where
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: the Israel and the US begin to diverge. That is
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: not in United States interest, especially this critical time in history,
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: because as I said, the world is becoming multipolar. That's
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: just a reality in terms of the international distribution of power,
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: which means the US has to make priorities, and those priorities,
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: as the National Security Strategy outlined, is to focus on
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: the Western hemisphere in East Asia. That's where America's peer
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: competitor is, which means if you pivot too somewhere, you
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: have to pivot away from somewhere, and that would be
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: pivot away from Europe and the Middle East. And this
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: is the key problem. This is why Trump has made
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: a mistake, because the longer he remains in Europe, that
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: absorbs American resources, but it also pushes the Russians further
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: to China and also in the Middle East. The longer
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: it stays in Iran, the more it's going to divert
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: its focus away from East Asia. Indeed, the US had
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: to pull out its THAD missiles and patriots from South
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Korea to send to the Middle East. The whole point
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: of pivoting to Asia was that it was supposed to
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: go the other way. The weapons were supposed to be
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: pulled out of Europe and the Middle East and sent
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: to East Asia. So we're seeing everything going in reverse.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: And this was not in the strategic interest of Trump.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: This is not what the security strategy indicated. They were
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: supposed to do the opposite. But now, of course, one
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: year later, the US is still involved in the war
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: in Europe and they're also now doubling down in the
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: Middle East. So I think this is a strategic mistake
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: for the United States. The fact that they most likely
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: want to win this either makes it even worse. So no,
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: I think you're going to see this expressed more now
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: in terms of divergence in the US how to view Israel.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: What is America first? Is it the partnership with Israel
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: or putting America before Israel. I think you're going to
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: see more splits there now, and that's reflected in how
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: the Yeah, the strategic interest of America is changing absolutely.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Glenn, you are such a great guest. We can't wait
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: to have you back, and everybody goes subscribe to Glenn's channel.
• 43:23
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• 43:25
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• 43:28
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• 43:29
  Speaker 1: So thank you very much, Glenn. We appreciate you.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Huge breaking news that we're gonna have to add here
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: at the end of the show. We can go and
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: put this up here on the screen. Joe Kent, who
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: is currently serving as the Director of the National counter
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Terrorism Center, has resigned from his position.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Effective immediately.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Let me go ahead and read some of his letter,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: which is genuinely shocking President Trump. After much reflection, I
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: have decided to resign from my position as the Director
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: of National National counter Terrorism Center, effective today. I cannot
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: posed no imminent threat to our country. It is clear
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: we started this war due to pressure from Israel and
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: its powerful American lobby. I support the values and the
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: foreign policies that you campaigned on.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Until June of twenty twenty five, you.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Understood that wars in the Middle East were a trap
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: that robbed America of the precious lives of our patriots
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: and depleted the wealth and prosperity of our nation. Early
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: in this administration, high ranking Israeli officials and influential members
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: undermined your America First platform sowed pro war sentiments to
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: encourage war with Iran. The Echo Chamber was used to
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: deceive you into believing that Iran posed an imminent threat
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: to the United States and that you should strike now
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: there was a clear path to a swift victory. This
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: was a lie and is the same tactic the Israelis
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: used to draw us into the disastrous Iraq war that
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: cost our nation in the lives of thousands of our
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: best men and women. We cannot make this mistake again.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: As a veteran who deployed to combat eleven times, a
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: gold Star husband who lost my beloved wife, Shannon in
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: a war manufactured by israel I, cannot support sending the
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: next generation off to fight and die in a war
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: that serves no benefit to the American people nor justifies
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: the cost of American lives. I pray that you will
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: reflect upon what we are doing in Iran.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Who are we doing it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: For the time for bold action is now. You can
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: reverse course and chart a new path for our nation.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Or you can allow us to slip forward further towards
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: decline and chaos. You hold the cards. It was an
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: honor to serve in your administration and to serve our
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: great nation. Absolutely stunning news. Let's just dissect it a
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: couple of different ways. Number One, this is the National
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Director of counter Terrorism, highest security clearance in the entire
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: United States government. Israel or sorry in Iran, posed no
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: threat to the United States number one. Number two, Israel
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: is the person manipulating intelligence, Israel.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Pro war lobby.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Those are the people who convinced you in order to
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: go into war with this into war with Iran. This
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: is one of the most shocking resignations of the entire Trumpet.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Miss I think it might be the first real big
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: one of somebody who was aligned with the America First movement.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: And let's consider the consequences here. They're going to try
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: and destroy this man. I guarantee you they will try
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: to indict him. They're gonna say he breached his They're
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: gonna say he breached his security clearance by sharing information.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: He was never a real patriot.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: He was somebody, you know, magus or a snake, something
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: like that, anti semi the full stop of the pro
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: war machine, and the US government are going to destroy
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: this man. Just watch and wait, and especially if he
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: starts going on the podcast circuit and talking, do not
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: forget you know that this is somebody who deployed combat
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: multiple times, special operations, background, gold star husband, doesn't matter.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: They're going to do everything that they possibly can. But
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: this should be wall to wall news. We never even
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: really had high profile reside nations like this under Iraq.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I think the fact that you.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Have a high high level security official with the top
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: security clearance saying this is Israel's war, that they manipulated
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: the intelligence, that you're making a huge mistake, that they
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: posed no imminent threat to the United States.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: You have to ask seriously, how about how all of
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the lies have been told by this White House?
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: And I think, second, what did he know to have
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: to resign at this point? He knew no end in sight. Yeah,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: that's why he decided to do it now. So it
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: is a I mean a stunning development, yeah right now.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, just so people know, I don't
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: know if you've been following this guy. Joe Kent ran
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: for Congress as like a hardcore Trump loyalist America. First,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: there was a controversy where he was like affiliated with
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Nick Fuentes Graper types and had disavow them. He was
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: a stop the Steel guy who's like a January sixth truth. Third,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: like that's the type of milieu that he's in, so
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: hardcore supporter of Trump. He was a Tulsi ally, which
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I think is also an interesting piece of this internally,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: because apparently Tulsi and the lead up to the first
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Iran War, the Twelve Day War was you know, arguing
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: against it and making her case fairly forcefully, ends up
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: getting completely sidelined. They joke about her as D and
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I standing for do not invite, gets completely signlined. Now
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: she's sent out to do a bunch of like election
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: nonsense and Fulton counting in Puerto Rico.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: She's not no longer part of the Iran war deliberations.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And so in any case, Joe is one of her
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: allies internally in the administration. So to see him resign
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: in this very critical and public fashion, I mean, it's
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: hugely noteworthy. In soccer, I'd be you know, interested to
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: get your perspective on the historic comparisons to Vietnam, you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: sort of similarly timed concerns about wars in the past
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: and how this stacks up against them. I will say,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: you know, similar to the Tucker Carlson line about oh,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: it's all Israel's valt and Trump You're getting tricked and
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I just I have little patience for
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: this argument that the president of the United States, who
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: has can staff as an administration however he wants, can
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: listen to whoever he wants. He can listen to Lindsay Graham,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: or he can listen to Joe Kent, or you know,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: he can listen to Tucker Carlson, or he can listen
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: to Ted Cruz.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Like he gets to choose what direction he wants to
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: go in. I really chafe at the notion that.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: It's he's just being tricked and manipulated and he's you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: it's really not his fault. It's all the Israelis. Yes,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the Israelis wanted this war. There is absolutely no doubt
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: about that. These Raelis have wanted this war for forty years,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and every president up until now has included Trump, has
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: said no to engaging in this aggressive, hot war against Iran.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: So that is the one piece that just when I
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: see it framed in the way that he frames it,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: it really you know, I just chafe against that.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I understand your point, but don't forget he's trying to
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: admit to do things. This is a real political statement
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: because he wants to try and have and he's going
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: to get the narrative which he wants, which is that
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: a member of the administration is resigning in pro test.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Let's look, I mean he said all the Israel stuff,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: he also resigned and basically applied that. This is on
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, right. This is a different thing than saying
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: it internally. This is somebody who is putting it. I
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: mean literally like possibly his life on the line. And
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I don't mean just like his actual safety. I'm talking
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: about remember this with this administration. FBI is going to
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: be up his ass. They're going to be doing any
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: potential investigation. The entire Zionist media is going to destroy
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: this man.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: They.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets magically
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: audited by the irs. Like, I really am not going
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: to put any of that out of line. The first
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: man on the line, he is like that, Look, Vietnam
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: remember this, Nobody had this high profile ever resigned over
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Vietnam this early on. They said it internally, and it's
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: very clear that he probably tried. I would put this
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: in a totally different category. This is a person with
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: a ton to lose. He's not rich, he doesn't have
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of resources. This is somebody who genuinely has
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: a lot to lose out of this one and he's
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: putting it all out there.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: No, that is that is appol fair.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: I just get so sick of people treating Trump like
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: he's just you know, a child being manipulated and being
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: tricked into various things, and he's always blameless, et cetera.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: But the import of it and the risk that he's
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: taking here is genuinely her.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I cannot even describe to you, like in this in
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: this environment where we have the FCC, you have cash,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Patel Keystone, cash, Pam Bondie, these people try you think
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Trump is going to take this line down. The full
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: force of the United States government is coming after this man.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: And he's an eleven you know, serve eleven tours in
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: combat and he said, no, I can't support this. He's
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: one of the only people who's not full of shit.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Remember yesterday when I said, yeah, it's time to resign.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: And that's the call now from Joe Kent. So if
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: you're listening to this magically, if you're not Joe Kent,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: or if you're any of these other people, uh, you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: there's only one person who can't resign.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: It's the vice president.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Everybody else you're appointed and you serve either the pleasure
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: of the president or of your own accord.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: It is time to go.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: It is time to create the situation that people were
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: not created enough to do after Iraq, to stand up
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: in front of the American people and say this is
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: a bullshit, and oh that's why the war continued on.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Don't forget Colin Powell. He dissented. Yeah, oh, it took
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: years for him to get out, and then what two
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: to three years later we learn about all this stuff
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: that he did inside the ADMIN. But at the time
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: when it mattered the most, when he could have resigned
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: and used his immense prestige, he did nothing.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Went and did that un speech yes and yeah, and
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: you know, tarnished his reputation forever and actually made the.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Case for the war.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I am wondering if he will be you know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: a one off, and you're right that the administration will
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: do everything they can to smear him and make his
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: life absolutely miserable to try to guarantee that he's a
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: one off, or if this starts a chain of resignations
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: of you know, effectively fleeing the sinking ship right looking
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: at this and going, this is a disaster. You've already
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: got one guy who's taking this step. You know, maybe
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: this is the move that I need to make as well.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: And if he can do it, and he can speak
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: out and he can survive, maybe that's the right move
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: for me to find the exit. So in the coming
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: days and weeks, that will be the thing to watch.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Whether this is one guy and it's a flash in
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: the pan and they, you know, do everything they can
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: to make him miserable and destroy him, and everybody else
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: takes that as like a cautionary taln.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: It is like I'm just getting keep my mouth shut.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Or whether this opens is like a you know, opens up,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the dam opens up the floodgates and others start to leave.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think a damn is going to break.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I do think it takes somebody of immense principle to
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: have to speak out on something like this because you
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: just have too much to lose. I mean, your old
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: families are literally is your entire well being is at
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: risk financially, you could go to prison. You have no idea,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: and I wouldn't put any of it past this government.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: And that's why if you look at Iraq and at Vietnam,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: the dissenters were all internal. They didn't start speaking out
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: un till nineteen sixty nine. Some of these people that
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: this is the time to actually try to do something
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: about it. And what Joe has done is that now
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Trump has to be asked about it. Now every member
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: of the White House of the administration is going to
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: be asked about it. Oh my god, Tulci I would
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: not want to be her because they were allies, right,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: they were good friends. Any of the people who were
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: friends with Joe Kant the witch hunt that's going to
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: happen if, unfortunately, I hate to say it, this will
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: probably work out net net for the Zionists inside the
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: government because they're going to say that anybody who dissented
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: is disloyal to you, and they're going to use them
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: as an example. So the truth is is that internally,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: this is probably going to empower all of his Zionists
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: in the pro war lobby. But the only check that
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: we really have on our government is the people, is
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: the democracy and the press at this current time before
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: an election, and it's actually really incumbent on everyone to
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: make this a big story. This guy resigned over the war.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: He said it's a lie. He said that everything they're
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: telling us is a lie. And that's the only way
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: to create an immense pressure cycle on the Trump administration.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Although I wouldn't put it past our mainstream media, you
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: know who more l largely support the war to try
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: and I don't know what are they going to say,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: he's akroy Berg, it sucks or something.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I can see it already.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's given them some things to work with.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: The Okay, look, Joe, he's said a lot of things
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: in fairness over the years.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't have done them.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Have we run in some of the same circles in
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: terms of the anti war movement. And I can just
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: tell you, like, there were a lot of people who
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: feel this way in the Pentagon, in the White House,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: all across the government. He's the only one who actually
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: did anything about it or at least he's the first
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: one to actually do anything about it, and that wipes
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: away a lot of sins in my book. All right,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: we will see you all later. Thank you guys so
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: much for watching, appreciate it. Riding Emily on tomorrow.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: They'll see you then,