Latest / Karl and Crew / The science behind fear with Dr. Fuz Rana & Faith vs fear
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- 0:49S2: I avoided field trips a lot when I was in
- 0:54S2: elementary school, middle school, high school. Really, the trips that
- 0:58S2: got everybody else excited?
- 1:00S3: I was one of those kids. Super excited anytime we
- 1:02S3: got an actual class.
- 1:04S2: Get out of school. You get to go somewhere that's
- 1:07S2: not school. Maybe you get to go to a museum
- 1:11S2: or a theme park or really anything. I tried to
- 1:16S2: get out of those most of the time.
- 1:19S3: Why?
- 1:19S2: Well, fear is a funny thing. I didn't fear the
- 1:23S2: field trip.
- 1:25S3: Okay.
- 1:26S2: I feared the school bus.
- 1:28S3: Really? Why did you fear the school bus?
- 1:31S2: I have, I had and still have a, I don't know,
- 1:37S2: I guess a fear of those yellow school buses. It
- 1:41S2: dates back to elementary school.
- 1:43S3: Mhm.
- 1:45S2: This was, I think, the origin. And I'm on the
- 1:48S2: back of the bus headed home and a girl at
- 1:52S2: the front of the bus, I remember her name. Her
- 1:55S2: name was Maria.
- 1:56S3: Okay.
- 1:57S2: Maria wasn't feeling well that day. I think you know
- 2:00S2: where this is going.
- 2:01S3: I think I do.
- 2:03S2: Maria really wasn't feeling well. I don't want to get
- 2:08S2: graphic here. Maria threw up on the school bus.
- 2:14S3: Did she include others in her?
- 2:16S2: You know. And so I from that day forward.
- 2:21S3: Yeah.
- 2:22S2: I associated being on one of those yellow school buses.
- 2:26S3: Yeah.
- 2:27S2: With somebody getting sick.
- 2:29S3: Okay. A confined space where someone's, uh, very visibly getting sick.
- 2:35S2: Is probably one of my most, my strongest phobias, if
- 2:40S2: you will. Sure. Is being an enclosed space where somebody
- 2:44S2: gets sick.
- 2:45S3: Okay. So it's, it really is a combination. Yeah. It's
- 2:48S3: not in and of itself the school bus.
- 2:50S2: So it's not like if I see a school bus,
- 2:52S2: a big yellow school bus driving down the street.
- 2:54S3: You run the other direction.
- 2:55S2: I go into a panic.
- 2:57S3: Yeah.
- 2:57S2: But like, when I have to chaperone my kids field
- 3:00S2: trips and I've done a couple of them.
- 3:02S3: Sure.
- 3:03S2: Like, I'll meet you guys there.
- 3:07S3: I'm driving separate.
- 3:09S2: Getting on. It feels like being in just a tube
- 3:12S2: of grossness and you can't get off. And it really
- 3:18S2: did something to me.
- 3:19S3: I mean, it's a real phobia.
- 3:21S2: It's a phobia. And so the fear of someone getting
- 3:24S2: sick in a closed space, that's what school buses started
- 3:27S2: to represent for me. Gotcha. So every time there was
- 3:30S2: going to be a field trip, and I knew that
- 3:32S2: we were going to have to take a yellow school bus,
- 3:35S2: that's all I could think about was, what if somebody
- 3:38S2: gets sick? And the thing is, in elementary school and
- 3:40S2: middle school, I feel like it happens a lot. I
- 3:43S2: don't know what it is, but I feel like kids
- 3:45S2: are always throwing up on the bus.
- 3:47S3: And I took a bus all my life, and I
- 3:49S3: don't think I saw one person throw.
- 3:51S2: On a school. I don't know what it is. It's
- 3:53S2: just it's an unpredictable age where kids don't have a
- 3:57S2: lot of warning. And so I feel like I just
- 3:59S2: have horror stories.
- 4:00S3: Of like.
- 4:02S2: Sitting in class and someone's throwing up and you're walking
- 4:05S2: in the hallway and it just, I know.
- 4:08S3: It's.
- 4:08S2: 6:00 central time, at least in the morning, and that's
- 4:11S2: not what you want to be hearing. But fear does
- 4:14S2: something to you. Fear of being in the school bus
- 4:18S2: made me avoid a lot of really fun things. And
- 4:21S2: so I'm curious now that I've shared with you my
- 4:25S2: totally irrational, yet deeply rooted fear, do you have one
- 4:31S2: of those? Maybe a phobia, maybe something that just. Boy
- 4:36S2: oh boy. Freaks you out. You scared of heights? Do
- 4:40S2: you jump out of your skin when you see a spider?
- 4:44S2: My mom can't even see snakes on TV.
- 4:47S3: Really?
- 4:47S2: Oh my goodness.
- 4:48S3: Wow.
- 4:49S2: She can't like a picture of a snake sends her.
- 4:53S3: Can't do it.
- 4:54S2: Do you have any of those?
- 4:55S3: I mean, for me, we always joke about it with it,
- 4:57S3: with it being like specifically dolphins on the show because
- 5:01S3: we were gonna on my honeymoon, my wife and I
- 5:04S3: were gonna swim with the dolphins. We didn't end up
- 5:06S3: doing it, not because of my fear, but because we
- 5:08S3: weren't able to. But I was genuinely afraid of swimming
- 5:11S3: with the dolphins. Okay. And it's not dolphins in and
- 5:14S3: of itself. It is swimming in the water with with
- 5:19S3: fish or sea creatures. Uh, okay. I don't I'm not
- 5:23S3: afraid of them, like looking at them. I can look
- 5:25S3: at them. I can see them. All that stuff's fine.
- 5:27S3: I don't like being in the same body of water
- 5:30S3: as them.
- 5:30S2: Not knowing what they might do.
- 5:32S3: Yeah, well, it's. I'm in there. I'm in their home turf.
- 5:36S3: I I'm swimming. Ultimately, I'm pretty powerless to do anything
- 5:41S3: while swimming.
- 5:42S2: Upper hand.
- 5:42S3: They can do anything they want while swimming. Uh, that's
- 5:45S3: what they do. They swim. And and so being in
- 5:49S3: the ocean is pretty difficult for me. Okay, I can
- 5:54S3: do it if I'm if I can really get distracted.
- 5:57S3: But if I start thinking too much about it, I
- 5:59S3: don't want to be there.
- 6:00S2: We listen and we don't judge.
- 6:01S3: Yeah. Thank you.
- 6:04S2: What is your, um. Maybe. Strange. We'll go with strange. Unusual. Okay.
- 6:11S2: A little bit irrational fear. Are you willing to share
- 6:14S2: with us this morning? We'll do text messages only. I
- 6:17S2: don't want to put anyone on the spot on the phone, but, uh,
- 6:20S2: what is that fear for you? 800. 555, 7898, 805 5578, 98.
- 6:29S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
- 6:33S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
- 6:37S1: Moody Radio.
- 6:38S2: What is it that gets you afraid? Maybe that irrational thing,
- 6:43S2: that boy, oh, boy. Everybody else seems okay with this,
- 6:48S2: but I kind of freak out. 805 557898. The fear
- 6:55S2: of someone being sick on a school bus. Boy oh boy.
- 6:59S2: That kept me from so many fun trips during my
- 7:03S2: younger years. I just couldn't do it. The risk felt
- 7:07S2: too high so I would opt out. What about you?
- 7:11S2: Ferris wheel says 1288. Revolving doors 11714606. Giant spiders. Same
- 7:20S2: for 5648. Fear of flying frogs. Wow. My teeth crumbling.
- 7:32S3: That's a dream that people have.
- 7:33S2: Yeah, I've had the dreams of my teeth falling out.
- 7:36S2: That's a reoccurring dream. Uh. The fear of a bridge
- 7:40S2: crumbling as I drive over it. I've had that one before. Uh,
- 7:44S2: fear of toothbrushes.
- 7:47S3: Other people's toothbrushes in specific. Even the sight of them
- 7:51S3: fears them out.
- 7:52S2: Fear of driving on the highway. Especially when there's those
- 7:56S2: brick dividers that make the space feel too close.
- 7:59S3: Oh, yeah, I can see that.
- 8:01S2: Yeah. Where you feel like you're kind of claustrophobia. Yeah. Wow.
- 8:06S2: Fear of running into a spider web. Yeah. That feeling,
- 8:10S2: and I'm not going to describe it because I don't
- 8:11S2: want to trigger anything for people.
- 8:13S3: But.
- 8:14S2: Not a pleasant feeling. No. You know, you think about
- 8:17S2: the big categories of the things that people fear most.
- 8:22S2: And big surveys show kind of some big buckets. Obviously death,
- 8:27S2: public speaking heights. But also here's a couple of others
- 8:32S2: that surveys show that are common fears for a lot
- 8:34S2: of people financial insecurity, serious illness, a fear of failure,
- 8:40S2: fear of rejection or loneliness, the loss of loved ones,
- 8:45S2: fear of natural disasters depending on what part of the
- 8:49S2: country you live in. There's probably a specific type of
- 8:53S2: natural disaster that you maybe fear more than others. I
- 8:58S2: grew up in the Midwest, so tornadoes were the thing that.
- 9:01S3: Makes a ton of sense.
- 9:02S2: Yeah. But if you live where it's hurricanes or maybe
- 9:05S2: it's earthquakes. Dangerous animals.
- 9:10S3: Yep. There's plenty of those.
- 9:12S2: Yeah. I mean, the interesting thing is I feel like
- 9:16S2: a lot of times it's the non-dangerous animals that are.
- 9:19S3: That do more of the creeping out.
- 9:20S2: I mean, like spiders, obviously the poisonous ones. But for
- 9:24S2: the most part, spiders are pretty harmless.
- 9:26S3: Well, and for most areas you're gonna, there's way more
- 9:29S3: of a chance you're actually gonna encounter a very harmless
- 9:32S3: spider than you're gonna encounter a very dangerous one.
- 9:35S2: You live in a big city, you might fear like rats,
- 9:37S2: even though they're cockroaches. Ooh. Roller coasters. Fear of anesthesia
- 9:45S2: being put. Being put under for a procedure.
- 9:49S3: I don't blame you for that one. I don't blame.
- 9:50S2: You. We're not. We're we're listening. And we're not judging.
- 9:53S3: I'm not judging. I'm saying I don't blame you, but
- 9:55S3: that means I'm in support.
- 9:56S2: Okay. So you're. That means you're giving credit. Like most
- 10:00S2: more certain fears are more valid than others, which we
- 10:02S2: don't want to do. Coming up, an interesting, interesting discovery.
- 10:10S2: This was a couple years ago when I first noticed
- 10:12S2: this in Scripture. And I come back to it often,
- 10:15S2: and I want to share it with you. Something that
- 10:17S2: I discovered about fear, what we fear and what we don't.
- 10:24S2: Coming up.
- 10:26S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
- 10:30S1: cast and crew.
- 10:31S2: What you fear most reveals a lot about you, but
- 10:35S2: so does what you do not fear. OU want to
- 10:39S2: read to you a passage of Scripture. This comes out
- 10:41S2: of Isaiah eight, and the first time I read this
- 10:45S2: stopped me in my tracks. I'll give you a little
- 10:46S2: bit of context. So the Lord is revealing to the
- 10:49S2: prophet Isaiah about the coming invasion of Assyria. This is
- 10:54S2: his hand of judgment. Because of the rebellion of the people.
- 10:58S2: The people refused the faithful care of God. And so
- 11:01S2: they're going to face judgment. But he gives Isaiah a
- 11:05S2: little bit of a warning. So let me read to you,
- 11:08S2: this is I'm reading to you in the New Living Translation,
- 11:11S2: just because I think for the listening ear, it makes
- 11:14S2: it a little bit easier to catch the main, the
- 11:16S2: main idea here, Isaiah eight, verse 11, starting with verse 11, says,
- 11:21S2: the Lord has given me a strong warning not to
- 11:24S2: think like everyone else does. He said, don't call everything
- 11:28S2: a conspiracy like they do and don't live in dread
- 11:30S2: of what frightens them. Make the Lord of heaven's Armies
- 11:34S2: holy in your life. He is the one you should fear.
- 11:37S2: He is the one who should make you tremble. He
- 11:40S2: will keep you safe. But to Israel and Judah he
- 11:43S2: will be a stone that makes people stumble, a rock
- 11:46S2: that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem,
- 11:49S2: he will be a trap and a snare. Want to
- 11:51S2: key in on this part? Don't call everything a conspiracy
- 11:55S2: like they do. Don't live in dread of what frightens them.
- 12:01S2: Make the Lord of heaven's Armies holy in your life.
- 12:03S2: He is the one who you should fear. When we
- 12:08S2: think about the things that scare us the most, the
- 12:14S2: fear of the Lord is a protection in so many ways. Yes,
- 12:19S2: and the absence of the fear of the Lord contributes
- 12:23S2: to man's undoing. Every time you think about all of
- 12:27S2: the verses that instruct us to fear God, to have
- 12:31S2: a holy, reverent fear and awe of who he is,
- 12:35S2: of his power, of his authority, of his position in
- 12:39S2: our life. But yet, for most people, the things that
- 12:43S2: make them the most afraid are many other things.
- 12:48S3: The things on this earth.
- 12:49S2: The things of this earth. And so I find this fascinating.
- 12:54S2: And I want to read you one more kind of
- 12:56S2: related passage. This is in Matthew 1028. The context is
- 12:59S2: a little bit different, but the big idea says, don't
- 13:02S2: be afraid of those who want to kill your body.
- 13:04S2: They cannot touch your soul. Fear only God who can
- 13:08S2: destroy both soul and body in hell. Here's the thing.
- 13:13S2: Here's what the moody Bible commentary says about this, that
- 13:16S2: to fear God for those who fear the Lord God
- 13:22S2: will be a refuge. But for those who refuse to
- 13:24S2: trust him, God will be their undoing. When you fear God,
- 13:29S2: he becomes your protection, your refuge, your safe place. When
- 13:34S2: you do not fear him, you are left vulnerable not
- 13:37S2: only to everything else, but he ultimately becomes your own
- 13:41S2: own undoing. It's kind of this interesting paradox, right?
- 13:44S3: Yes.
- 13:45S2: That to fear him is protection. To not fear him
- 13:49S2: makes you more vulnerable than ever.
- 13:51S3: Because in our fear, this isn't like a go cower
- 13:55S3: in the corner because he's unpredictable. No. Type of thing.
- 13:59S3: This is a. I look at him and I recognize
- 14:02S3: how awesome and holy he is. And it makes me
- 14:07S3: fear doing anything that's apart from him.
- 14:11S2: So for Judah and Jerusalem, they are wringing their hands,
- 14:15S2: as one commentator said over the crisis of the day,
- 14:21S2: while not in any way seeing the greatness of God.
- 14:26S2: And I think, how true is that of people today?
- 14:31S2: We are prone to wringing our hands over the latest
- 14:36S2: problem in government, the latest crisis of whatever you know,
- 14:42S2: the mainstream news cycle will always give you something that
- 14:45S2: feels scary.
- 14:46S3: Absolutely. The wars, the diseases, the financial crisis.
- 14:50S2: The threat.
- 14:50S3: Of.
- 14:51S2: Anything.
- 14:52S3: Yes.
- 14:53S2: And so many people walk around with a lot of
- 14:57S2: fear in their heart.
- 14:58S3: 100%.
- 14:59S2: What if the economy collapses? What if natural disaster hits?
- 15:05S2: What if sickness hits my home? What if this, what
- 15:10S2: if that? What if this. But yet no awareness of God.
- 15:15S2: When you don't fear God, he becomes your undoing. Yeah.
- 15:22S2: Think about that for a second. And the first time
- 15:25S2: I read this, I just. It just made me stop
- 15:28S2: because I thought the problem isn't that all of these
- 15:31S2: things in the world feel so scary. The problem is
- 15:34S2: that we don't fear God, and that's revealed in so
- 15:37S2: many different ways. You know, I think about the way
- 15:40S2: that people talk about God, the lack of reverence for
- 15:45S2: the name of Jesus, the flippant way, the casual way
- 15:50S2: that we've kind of reduced him to, you know, the
- 15:54S2: big guy upstairs, right? We think, wait a second, you
- 16:00S2: don't fear God. The absence of the fear of God
- 16:04S2: should terrify you today. And I say that in real love.
- 16:10S2: Fear the Lord. Everything else becomes a whole lot less scary.
- 16:16S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
- 16:20S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 16:22S2: You know the fear of the Lord is spoken about
- 16:25S2: all throughout Scripture. The fear of the Lord is the
- 16:28S2: beginning of wisdom, which means that the absence of the
- 16:31S2: fear of the Lord is the source of foolishness. Right?
- 16:34S3: Yeah. We can always reverse engineer these truths.
- 16:37S2: And so when you see, when you find your heart
- 16:40S2: gripped with fear. And I say this as somebody who
- 16:44S2: has struggled mightily with my share of fear and anxiety.
- 16:51S2: We want to start to train ourselves to reset on
- 16:56S2: the fear of the Lord. It right sizes everything else
- 16:59S2: because a healthy fear of the Lord sees God for
- 17:02S2: who he is, meaning that everything else has to bow, right?
- 17:09S3: We know that.
- 17:10S2: Because of Christ, death has been defeated. Yeah, well, we
- 17:15S2: don't have to fear death.
- 17:16S3: Yep.
- 17:17S2: We know that because of Christ, he has the victory
- 17:21S2: over sin, over iniquities, over illness and disease.
- 17:28S3: Yes. I was thinking, you know, I, I preached a
- 17:32S3: sermon this last week and Romans eight two was a
- 17:35S3: part of it. And it says, because through Jesus Christ,
- 17:38S3: the law of the spirit who gives life has set
- 17:40S3: you free from the law of sin and death. And
- 17:42S3: I was looking at this passage, and John Piper talked
- 17:46S3: about this in a sermon he did where the word
- 17:49S3: law here, uh, can be translated to power and authority.
- 17:54S3: So the power and authority of the spirit of life
- 17:58S3: has set us free from the power and authority of
- 18:02S3: sin and death. We are no longer under that power
- 18:06S3: and authority that had control over us, but the spirit
- 18:09S3: who gives life. And so we don't have to fear
- 18:13S3: death and the things that bring death, because we're not
- 18:17S3: under that power and authority anymore.
- 18:20S2: We're no longer slaves to fear.
- 18:22S3: Mhm.
- 18:23S2: One of my one of my favorite songs, no longer
- 18:26S2: Slaves to Fear. But I am a child of God.
- 18:29S2: And so when people don't fear God, the irony is
- 18:35S2: that they're actually subject to the wrath of God. Yes.
- 18:39S2: that it not fearing God becomes their undoing. And so
- 18:44S2: you think about the tragedy of spending a whole lifetime
- 18:47S2: fearing the wrong things. You know, maybe you're the provider
- 18:51S2: of your household, so you fear financial collapse. You play
- 18:55S2: pay close attention to the stock market. And hey, there's
- 18:58S2: nothing wrong with that. Certainly not. But you're constantly worried
- 19:01S2: about your family's financial future. Or maybe you're constantly worried
- 19:05S2: about your about your health. You know, some people, any
- 19:08S2: time there's any sort of a anything, there's this, your
- 19:13S2: mind goes to the worst case scenario. What if it's this?
- 19:15S2: Or what if it's this? Or you live in fear
- 19:18S2: of the the rising crime in your area. You're walking
- 19:22S2: down the street always looking over your shoulder. All those
- 19:24S2: can be very real things. But I want to ask you,
- 19:27S2: do you fear the Lord today? Do you fear the
- 19:30S2: one who, as Scripture says pretty bluntly, can destroy both
- 19:36S2: soul and body in hell, you go, ooh, that sounds
- 19:41S2: pretty gruesome. The fear of the Lord is your protection.
- 19:46S2: It's a beautiful thing. Check it out. I was in
- 19:49S2: Isaiah eight today, 11 through 14.
- 19:53S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
- 19:56S4: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
- 19:59S4: to stay in your past. And I want you to
- 20:01S4: know and believe that today.
- 20:02S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 20:05S2: Doctor John Mabus joining us this morning. He's associate professor
- 20:08S2: and program head of pastoral studies here at Moody Bible Institute.
- 20:11S2: For the past 14 years, he's served as a Navy chaplain.
- 20:15S2: Doctor Mabus, glad to have you with us this morning.
- 20:18S2: What have you learned about fear, particularly in the context
- 20:22S2: of your role as a Navy chaplain? I'm curious.
- 20:26S5: Good morning Ali. Yeah, it's um and fear is something
- 20:29S5: that hits us all, even sometimes people that we may consider,
- 20:33S5: you know, people that wouldn't deal with fear or the
- 20:35S5: strongest kind of people we can have in mind. Some
- 20:38S5: of our nation's warriors are people that have to face
- 20:41S5: some pretty challenging things that require courage, a lot of levels. Um,
- 20:45S5: but fear hits everybody. And one thing I've learned over,
- 20:49S5: over the years is that sometimes fear surprises us. Things
- 20:53S5: that we didn't think would maybe cause us to fear
- 20:56S5: can hit us. Um, we didn't realize it would fear
- 20:59S5: can hit us in many different ways. Like it could
- 21:02S5: hit me socially. It could be physically. Mhm. And so
- 21:06S5: just seeing how even people who the world considers strong
- 21:09S5: still have to wrestle with sometimes fears that they never
- 21:13S5: thought they would have to. And how do they navigate?
- 21:16S5: Those can be really hard, but also a great opportunity
- 21:20S5: for the Lord to minister to them.
- 21:22S2: Yeah. Talk a little bit about that last part. I
- 21:25S2: would imagine that as a Navy chaplain, you do have
- 21:29S2: that fear often gives an opportunity or an open door
- 21:34S2: for for the gospel. AM I is that a correct assumption?
- 21:39S5: Yeah. I mean, it helps us. You know, one of
- 21:41S5: the places that I, I often go to just personally,
- 21:44S5: but also as a chaplain is the Psalms. And one
- 21:47S5: of the great songwriters was David, who was a warrior
- 21:49S5: who often talks about how he navigates his fears. And those,
- 21:54S5: those Psalms are something that many of the Marines and sailors,
- 21:59S5: soldiers that I've worked with really resonate with because they see,
- 22:03S5: here's a here's a warrior who has to answer that question,
- 22:07S5: where do I go with my fears? And how do I,
- 22:10S5: how do I talk about those? How do I have
- 22:13S5: an awareness of those. And what do they say about me?
- 22:16S5: What do they say about God? Um, so it just
- 22:18S5: begins to open up conversations that maybe people haven't had
- 22:21S5: before because their, their guard is up, which, but when
- 22:24S5: we begin to really see those fears, I'm going to
- 22:27S5: lay our guard down and say, okay, now I've got
- 22:29S5: to ask some bigger questions. Maybe I've been avoiding or
- 22:31S5: never even thought about.
- 22:32S2: You know, we see so many places in Scripture where
- 22:35S2: we're called to, to not be afraid. For the Lord
- 22:38S2: your God is with you that we don't have to fear.
- 22:41S2: And so there's, you know, we wrestle with the tension
- 22:43S2: of we're called to not fear. So when I'm afraid,
- 22:47S2: am I, am I sinning against God when I'm afraid?
- 22:51S2: Is the goal to live a life that's absent of
- 22:54S2: all fear? Is that even possible, this side of heaven?
- 22:57S2: What do you say?
- 22:59S5: You know, it's interesting. Uh, there must be something about
- 23:02S5: fear that is, uh, some of you could say a
- 23:06S5: gift from how God made us. Because our bodies, I mean, they,
- 23:09S5: they recognize things that could be a danger to us.
- 23:12S5: And they, uh, the way the Lord has made us, uh,
- 23:15S5: that that kind of gives us a response to those fears.
- 23:17S5: And so, uh, the fact that fear is something that
- 23:21S5: we experience as we analyze the world around us, um,
- 23:26S5: can be a great gift from God. Um, as you
- 23:28S5: were talking earlier about the fear of the Lord, well, uh,
- 23:30S5: it's a, it's a, it is a muscle that he
- 23:32S5: calls us to act with, but to really think about how, uh, what,
- 23:36S5: where the object of that fear is and how it's
- 23:38S5: shaping what we do. So I wouldn't ever want to
- 23:41S5: shame somebody because they say, I'm afraid. Um, but I
- 23:44S5: want to help them think through. Okay, well, where's, where's
- 23:46S5: that fear coming from? Who, who's, who's controlling that fear,
- 23:50S5: so to speak?
- 23:52S2: How have you handled your own fear? You know, I mean,
- 23:55S2: you've gone to some places in the world that would
- 23:58S2: make a lot of people, at least at the very least,
- 24:01S2: intimidated where there's a, you know, maybe a heightened threat
- 24:04S2: of certain types of danger. How have you confronted fear
- 24:08S2: in your own life?
- 24:09S5: Yeah, that's a wonderful question. I mean, I think like
- 24:13S5: I mentioned earlier, fear can can come in places where
- 24:17S5: you would expect it. If it's in a combat zone
- 24:21S5: where there's things that may cause physical threat. Um, what,
- 24:27S5: how do you handle that? Um, whether that's just physically
- 24:31S5: being aware of how your body is responding to that
- 24:33S5: physical threat. Um, that's, um, learning how to pray in
- 24:37S5: those situations sometimes not very complicated prayers, but simple prayers like, uh,
- 24:41S5: Lord help us, you know, um, taking a deep breath
- 24:44S5: and just, um, and I find that's interesting, you know, sometimes, um,
- 24:47S5: when we're in a place of safety, we may, we
- 24:50S5: may have real good and helpful prayers. But sometimes when
- 24:53S5: a place of fear, those basic, just short phrases of
- 24:57S5: which we take a breath and say, oh, Lord, um,
- 24:59S5: I need you to intervene. I don't even know what
- 25:00S5: to say, but please help be my refuge. Um, and
- 25:04S5: so sometimes just the simple prayers, short prayers, um, thinking
- 25:08S5: about how I'm responding. And then one last thing I
- 25:11S5: would say is in some of those situations, thinking about
- 25:13S5: how that fear is shaping how I interact with those
- 25:16S5: around me. Um, and how available am I to them
- 25:20S5: versus just kind of going and we could say like
- 25:22S5: turtle mode, um, with those fears.
- 25:25S2: You know, it's interesting you wear a lot of different hats.
- 25:28S2: Obviously you are a professor program head here at Moody
- 25:31S2: Bible Institute. I mentioned you're a Navy chaplain. You're also
- 25:34S2: a dad of of eight children. AM I correct in that?
- 25:38S5: That's right. Yes.
- 25:39S2: And one of the things that as a parent and
- 25:42S2: particularly in your role as a father, it training your
- 25:46S2: children to help respond to the things that make them afraid.
- 25:51S2: Whether you have a child who has struggled, maybe with
- 25:54S2: some anxiety, we've experienced that in our family or just
- 25:57S2: the things that make kids scared. And when you're when
- 26:00S2: you're a little person, it feels like the world is
- 26:03S2: a scary place. What have you learned in your role
- 26:06S2: as a dad? Raising these kids to fear the Lord,
- 26:10S2: but to not have an outsized fear of all of
- 26:13S2: the other things that can feel scary.
- 26:15S5: Right? Yeah, that's you could say that sometimes a daily
- 26:18S5: thing that we all walk.
- 26:19S6: With, right?
- 26:20S5: Uh, thankfully, our Heavenly Father gets that and ministers to
- 26:25S5: us and that. So I think that's actually one place
- 26:27S5: I've had to start in my own family is, uh, Lord,
- 26:30S5: if I'm not attuned to the things that I'm fearing
- 26:32S5: and bringing those to you, um, I won't be as, um,
- 26:36S5: available for my children as they, as they navigate their fears. Um,
- 26:40S5: so learning to regularly bring my own prayer, my prayers of, uh,
- 26:45S5: Lord help me or help me, uh, bring you my anxieties. Um,
- 26:49S5: whether it's those anxieties for my own children, because sometimes
- 26:52S5: our fears as parents actually perpetuate the fears of our
- 26:56S5: children if we haven't brought those to the Lord. So
- 26:58S5: I would say for me, it's been starting. Okay, Lord,
- 27:01S5: what's heavy on my heart so I can bring that
- 27:03S5: to you as my Heavenly Father. And now help me to,
- 27:07S5: as you minister to me, father, be able to listen
- 27:10S5: to their fears. Um, help them just to have a
- 27:13S5: safe place to talk about them, whether that's the little
- 27:15S5: guy who is afraid of the dark or, you know, literally,
- 27:18S5: and who's with me in the dark and little things like, well,
- 27:21S5: you know, God's with us in the dark. Uh, your
- 27:24S5: brother's in this room with you, you know, helping them
- 27:26S5: just be able to express those fears. Yeah, that's so important.
- 27:29S5: And language that's age appropriate. And they can understand, um,
- 27:33S5: whether it's with a teenager who's expressing fears about social pressure, um,
- 27:39S5: or social expectations and talking with them, kind of what
- 27:43S5: you guys were talking about earlier about the fear of
- 27:44S5: man and how that can be like a snare to us, um,
- 27:47S5: and kind of control us. So helping them kind of
- 27:49S5: think through and process through. Wow, I realize I did that,
- 27:52S5: or I said that because I was really afraid about this.
- 27:54S5: I didn't realize that. So sometimes it's those after actions
- 27:57S5: we do with our children, um, saying, okay, why did
- 28:00S5: this happen? Well, maybe it was, it wasn't so much this,
- 28:02S5: it was actually because there was a fear here that
- 28:04S5: I wasn't talking through. So sometimes it's late nights, whether
- 28:07S5: that's through with a teenager or, uh, a little guy, um,
- 28:12S5: often I feel like it's at night that the fears
- 28:14S5: start to kind of creep out. And so, um, yeah.
- 28:18S2: And, you know, you've heard, I'm sure you've heard that
- 28:20S2: fear is contagious and you've experienced that when everybody can
- 28:24S2: be in a peaceful moment and then all of a sudden,
- 28:26S2: if one person feels afraid, everybody else has a heightened
- 28:29S2: sense of, okay, there must be something to be afraid of.
- 28:32S2: Is courage contagious as well?
- 28:35S5: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, one thing that I mean,
- 28:38S5: that's we use courage and it's such a good word.
- 28:41S5: It's I was just actually reading with, um, one of
- 28:44S5: my sons, uh, Screwtape Letters, um, the other day, and C.S.
- 28:48S5: Lewis was talking about courage and, and how it's, it's
- 28:52S5: like a, it's a virtue that only the Lord can give.
- 28:55S5: And it's one that kind of helps us live all
- 28:57S5: the other virtues faithfully when they're being tried. It's kind
- 29:00S5: of an interesting way to think about it. Yeah. And
- 29:02S5: so courage. Absolutely. Because we begin to see, oh, that
- 29:08S5: now I know what it looks like to live that
- 29:10S5: virtue out in this hard situation, because I see that
- 29:13S5: other person doing it. Sometimes courage is hard for us
- 29:15S5: to imagine until we see it in action or hear
- 29:18S5: of someone else doing it. And so whether that's physical courage,
- 29:22S5: like in combat, where you say, I don't know if
- 29:24S5: I can go forward, but you see your buddy go
- 29:26S5: forward and you're going to go with them. Yeah. Or
- 29:29S5: if it's at a workplace where it takes moral courage
- 29:32S5: to stand up for something or to stay true to something,
- 29:36S5: even when there could be social consequences, um, that, that
- 29:41S5: often we need to do. Uh, not alone, but, but
- 29:43S5: with others.
- 29:44S2: Doctor John Mabus, our guest this morning. Such a good conversation.
- 29:48S2: If you want more about Moody Bible Institute, I mentioned
- 29:51S2: he's a program head. Uh, just fantastic professors here at Moody.
- 29:55S2: Just text Moody to 805 five, five, 78, 98.
- 30:00S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
- 30:03S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 30:06S2: How would you describe how your body feels the moment
- 30:10S2: that something makes you feel afraid? Maybe there's no real threat,
- 30:14S2: but it's somebody who startles you. You weren't expecting to
- 30:17S2: open the door and that person be standing there. You
- 30:19S2: hear a loud noise, or you hear a bump in
- 30:23S2: the night, and all of a sudden, at least for me,
- 30:26S2: the the heart rate starts to go up. You feel
- 30:28S2: your heart racing a little bit, your body starts to
- 30:30S2: maybe feel a little bit warm. You your thoughts start
- 30:35S2: to race. There's certainly a physical response to feeling fear.
- 30:41S2: We have a guest who's going to talk about how
- 30:43S2: fear impacts our brain. Doctor Faisal Rana. He's been with
- 30:47S2: us many times. Doctor fuzz, we affectionately call him. He's
- 30:50S2: the president, CEO and senior scholar at reasons to believe
- 30:53S2: holds a PhD in chemistry with an emphasis in biochemistry.
- 30:57S2: Speaks worldwide at churches conferences. So what happens, doctor fuzz
- 31:02S2: in our brain the moment we experience fear?
- 31:07S7: Well, you know, the Bible teaches us that human beings
- 31:10S7: are fearfully and wonderfully made. And and so as a biochemist,
- 31:14S7: when I think about in study human biology, I expect
- 31:17S7: to see God's fingerprints, uh, in everything about us as
- 31:21S7: human beings. and this is no exception when it comes
- 31:25S7: to our fear response. It's an incredibly elegant system that
- 31:29S7: is perfectly designed to keep us from harm. And so
- 31:33S7: you have a fast reaction to fear and a slow
- 31:36S7: reaction to fear. And both of them are working, you know,
- 31:39S7: hand in hand. The fast reaction is where sensory input
- 31:43S7: goes into the amygdala, and then that if it senses
- 31:48S7: some kind of potential threat or danger, like we see
- 31:51S7: somebody in the doorway and we're startled, it will trigger
- 31:55S7: essentially the central nucleus, which in turn triggers the hypothalamus,
- 32:01S7: which releases the stress hormones that cause that famous flight
- 32:04S7: or fight reflex. And then we also have information going
- 32:09S7: to the brainstem. That's where our reflexes come from. And
- 32:13S7: so this is poisoning us to respond to any potential danger.
- 32:18S7: But then there's a slow process where the hippocampus, which
- 32:22S7: stores memories, contextualizes that fear, drawing memory from past experiences. Oh,
- 32:28S7: this is not anything to be worried about. Or yes, indeed,
- 32:32S7: this is a real potential threat. Then information goes to
- 32:36S7: our prefrontal cortex, which is where our executive function resides,
- 32:41S7: where we think about things and we make rational sense about, okay,
- 32:46S7: is this really a dangerous situation? What do I do?
- 32:49S7: Or this is nothing to be worried about. So this
- 32:51S7: is a really incredibly elegant system that allows us to
- 32:55S7: respond to, to fear very quickly or threats very quickly
- 33:01S7: that initiate a fear response. But then we have the
- 33:04S7: time to really make sense. Is this really something to
- 33:07S7: be afraid of or not?
- 33:09S2: You know, I've never heard it put like that. You're
- 33:11S2: describing it as an elegant system because the obviously the
- 33:15S2: absence of fear. If you had no ability to experience fear,
- 33:20S2: then you would be unprepared to respond to a threat.
- 33:25S2: You don't often hear fear talked about in that way,
- 33:27S2: because it's almost always talked about in the negative sense,
- 33:30S2: because it can cause so many problems. But the fact
- 33:32S2: that it's a system designed for our protection is not
- 33:36S2: something I'd consider before.
- 33:38S7: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, same thing with pain, right?
- 33:41S2: Right.
- 33:42S7: You know that that we don't like pain. But pain
- 33:44S7: is a warning system that something's wrong. And that's the
- 33:48S7: way fear should function in a healthy person is that, hey,
- 33:52S7: there may be a potential harm here. Oh, nothing to
- 33:55S7: worry about. Or yes, indeed, you really need to get
- 33:58S7: out of this situation. So it just is God's protective
- 34:02S7: mechanism that that is so elegant and sophisticated.
- 34:06S2: But obviously, we know that all throughout Scripture we see
- 34:10S2: commands to do not be afraid, do not fear, for
- 34:15S2: I am with you. I'm going to be strengthening you.
- 34:18S2: I'm paraphrasing a number of different verses. One does fear
- 34:22S2: move from the. The healthy. This is my body's way
- 34:26S2: of protecting me and warning me of a of a
- 34:28S2: threat to. What's more, much more commonly experienced in the
- 34:33S2: unhealthy version of fear starts to control how I act,
- 34:37S2: how I move, how I think, and the decisions that
- 34:41S2: I make.
- 34:42S7: Yeah. And this is where, you know, a good design
- 34:45S7: can go bad. Uh, and, and that is if somebody
- 34:48S7: is exposed to, let's say, some kind of acute traumatic event, right?
- 34:53S7: Or they are just chronically under stress or chronically exposed
- 34:58S7: to dangerous situations, they can actually wind up having unhealthy,
- 35:04S7: toxic fear that in which they can't properly respond to
- 35:10S7: threats or recognize non threats as being non-threatening, as being non-dangerous.
- 35:15S7: And what ends up happening is there are changes that
- 35:18S7: take place in the brain. These are called maladaptive changes where,
- 35:23S7: for example, the amygdala, which is the alarm center, becomes hyperactive.
- 35:29S7: It responds to both threats and non-threatening alike. The hippocampus atrophies,
- 35:34S7: it becomes smaller, and you're not able to contextualize the fear.
- 35:38S7: You can't properly retrieve and store memories. And it even
- 35:41S7: impacts the prefrontal cortex, where the connectivity between the neurons
- 35:46S7: becomes a lost. And so this really is leading to
- 35:51S7: a change in the brain, so that you now respond
- 35:54S7: to everything as if it was a dangerous situation. And
- 36:00S7: this is just incredibly unhealthy for a person, both physically
- 36:04S7: as well as mentally and spiritually.
- 36:06S2: Is that something that you're able to see, like changes
- 36:09S2: to the brain of anxiety or fear?
- 36:12S7: You can actually see, for example, again, things like the
- 36:17S7: hippocampus shrinking in size and things like that. And you
- 36:21S7: can measure, uh, neuro activity with the amygdala and the
- 36:27S7: prefrontal cortex. So this is all, you know, well understood
- 36:30S7: and well documented. And, you know, again, it leads to
- 36:34S7: really just, uh, unhealthy situations for people struggling with that.
- 36:39S7: And an important thing is that when somebody is experiencing
- 36:43S7: chronic fear, unhealthy fear, it's probably not nothing they actually did. Right?
- 36:50S7: It's things that have happened to them. We live in
- 36:53S7: a broken world. We live in a world where people
- 36:56S7: are sinners and and people are responding to really sinful
- 37:01S7: situations that are part of a broken world. And as
- 37:04S7: a result of that, things go awry in their bodies
- 37:08S7: and in God's good design becomes maladaptive.
- 37:11S2: It's interesting because you can have the same situation. Let's take.
- 37:15S2: Let's take being on a on a flight for. For instance,
- 37:18S2: I've been on a couple flights as of late and
- 37:21S2: you hit turbulence. So for somebody, I remember the first time,
- 37:25S2: my very first flight, I was 17 years old and
- 37:28S2: I was going on a trip for a sport and
- 37:31S2: hitting some bad turbulence and feeling absolutely terrified. Anybody who
- 37:36S2: would have looked at me in that moment would have
- 37:38S2: seen the fear. Now that I've got many, many, many
- 37:41S2: more flights under my belt, I no longer have that
- 37:44S2: sense of fear. But you could have that same flight,
- 37:47S2: the same turbulence. And if you look around, you'll have
- 37:49S2: people processing it differently, usually based on their experience. Right?
- 37:55S2: Can we retrain how we process and how we respond
- 38:01S2: to fear?
- 38:02S7: Yes. I mean, this is really the good news is
- 38:04S7: that when you have, you know, kind of a chronic
- 38:08S7: fear that creates essentially changes in the brain, you can
- 38:12S7: actually reverse those. And one approach that's commonly used is
- 38:16S7: something called cognitive behavioral therapy. Yes. And it's, you know,
- 38:21S7: in a nutshell, it's essentially this idea that what you
- 38:24S7: think impacts how you feel and how you behave. And
- 38:28S7: a lot of times people think about situations in the
- 38:32S7: in an untrue, unhealthy way. And so what you're trying
- 38:35S7: to do is train them to think about things in
- 38:39S7: the appropriate way. And that in turn is going to
- 38:42S7: impact how they feel and how they behave. And so conceptually,
- 38:46S7: it's a really simple way of retraining the brain, but
- 38:49S7: it actually helps to restore the lost brain function or the,
- 38:54S7: the maladaptive brain function that results from chronic fear. And
- 38:59S7: in many respects, CBT is, is essentially foreshadowed in what
- 39:04S7: you see in Scripture where, as you mentioned earlier, do
- 39:08S7: not be afraid. That's one of the most common commands
- 39:10S7: in Scripture. Yeah. And it always is followed by I
- 39:14S7: am the Lord your God. I will never leave you
- 39:16S7: or forsake you. Right? Or cast your cares and your
- 39:20S7: worries and your anxieties on the Lord, right? It's essentially
- 39:24S7: telling you that, uh, that if you train your brain
- 39:28S7: to be, to understand what is true about who God is,
- 39:32S7: who we are, and, and how much God loves us,
- 39:36S7: that gives us that proper, truthful mindset that then impacts
- 39:41S7: how we behave and how we feel and think and act.
- 39:44S2: You know, the skeptic is going to say, okay, so
- 39:48S2: like Scripture, you're telling me that saying a couple of
- 39:52S2: scriptures is going to make me not afraid, but anybody
- 39:56S2: who's ever experienced their mind being transformed or renewed, going
- 40:01S2: to Romans 122 by applying the Word of God over
- 40:05S2: time knows that there's there's truth to it. It's not
- 40:08S2: just like repeating some sort of mantra, the Word of God,
- 40:11S2: living and active, sharper than a double edged sword actually
- 40:15S2: has the power to change how we think, right?
- 40:19S7: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, and, you know, I, I
- 40:22S7: struggle with anxiety and worry, right. You know, and, and
- 40:27S7: I've come to appreciate the fact that that, that anxiety
- 40:30S7: and worry is really a sinful response to the circumstances
- 40:34S7: I'm in. Because what I'm saying is I don't really
- 40:37S7: trust God or I don't trust who God is or
- 40:39S7: how much he loves me. And when I came to
- 40:42S7: that realization, I, I recognized that, yes, God has given
- 40:46S7: us incredible resources that helps us navigate these situations of
- 40:52S7: worry and anxiety. You know, and part of it is
- 40:56S7: reading scripture and memorizing key passages of Scripture and, you know,
- 41:00S7: praying them and speaking them as your truth. Right? But
- 41:04S7: prayer is another in worship are ways at which we
- 41:07S7: remember again who God is and how much he loves us.
- 41:11S7: and he's a loving father who will do what we
- 41:14S7: ask as long as it's in accordance to his will, right?
- 41:18S7: And so there's real power that we have available to
- 41:22S7: us as Christians, the Holy Spirit that helps us to
- 41:25S7: to think about things in the right way when we
- 41:28S7: surrender to the work of the Holy Spirit. So we
- 41:31S7: have incredible resources. And I think everybody who has any
- 41:35S7: practical experience dealing with worry and anxiety knows how powerful
- 41:41S7: it is just to, to remember what Scripture teaches.
- 41:44S2: Yeah. Good word. Doctor. Fussell. Rana. Rana. Doctor fuzz, as
- 41:48S2: we call him our guest this morning. If you want more,
- 41:51S2: just text fuzz to 805 557898FUZ to 805 557898. We'll
- 42:00S2: get you connected to more resources from Reasons to Believe.
- 42:04S1: Standing on the Rock each and every day, you're listening
- 42:09S1: to Carl and crew.
- 42:10S2: I don't know who I can attribute this quote to.
- 42:14S2: I don't know if it's an original pastor Lutzer, but
- 42:16S2: I know he likes to use it. You aren't what
- 42:19S2: you think you are, but what you think you are.
- 42:25S2: Let me say that to you one more time. You
- 42:27S2: aren't what you think you are, but what you think
- 42:30S2: you are. Pastor Erwin Lutzer. I know that this is
- 42:34S2: one that you have quoted often. The mind is powerful,
- 42:39S2: and so much of who we are and how we
- 42:42S2: live flows from what we are thinking about. Correct. Let's
- 42:46S2: start with Romans 122. The renewing of the mind. Why
- 42:51S2: is the mind so powerful?
- 42:53S8: Well, as it says in the book of Proverbs, very clearly,
- 42:56S8: as the man thinketh in his heart, so he is.
- 43:01S8: The most important part of you is the part that
- 43:03S8: nobody sees. It's the mind. It's where life makes up
- 43:07S8: its mind, so to speak, and it directs everything else. And,
- 43:12S8: you know, when you think about Romans chapter 12, you know,
- 43:16S8: the renewing of the mind. I want to help people
- 43:19S8: to understand that what the renewing of the mind means
- 43:23S8: is this. There are many people who are listening to
- 43:25S8: us right now who are viewing life through their trauma,
- 43:28S8: through their regrets, through the injustice that has been done
- 43:32S8: to them, perhaps fear. And they're thinking about the week
- 43:36S8: and they're anticipating conflict. And if we focus on that,
- 43:40S8: we are consumed by it. So the renewing of the
- 43:44S8: mind really has to do with, um, taking these thoughts captive,
- 43:50S8: as the Bible says, taking the thoughts captive and then
- 43:55S8: replacing them with other thoughts. Now I want everyone who
- 44:02S8: is listening to do a little test with me right now.
- 44:05S2: Okay?
- 44:06S8: Even if they're driving the car, Keep your eyes on
- 44:09S8: the road, please. But at the same time, we can
- 44:12S8: all think other thoughts even while we're doing that. I
- 44:16S8: want everyone to think of the number seven. Get it
- 44:20S8: clearly in their mind. They know exactly where it fits
- 44:23S8: between 1 and 10. Number seven. Now stop thinking of
- 44:27S8: number seven. Stop it. Well, the fact is, you can't.
- 44:32S8: There is a way, however, that you can stop thinking
- 44:36S8: about the number seven. And that is. I want you
- 44:39S8: right now to switch your thoughts to think about your mother.
- 44:43S8: For most of you, I hope it's very positive thoughts
- 44:46S8: for others. Unfortunately, it might not be positive thoughts, but
- 44:50S8: either way, focus on your mother. Do that for a
- 44:55S8: few seconds and pretty soon you will no longer be
- 44:59S8: thinking about the number seven. So the principle of replacement
- 45:05S8: is to say this. we take our thoughts captive and
- 45:10S8: then we replace them with biblical thoughts. And of course,
- 45:15S8: this involves memorization of Scripture and so forth. And as
- 45:19S8: we talk about this alley, I just want to emphasize
- 45:24S8: that there are two resources that we have. First of all,
- 45:27S8: in First Corinthians, Paul says that thanks to our conversion
- 45:32S8: to all those who are saved, we have the mind
- 45:34S8: of Christ. So there's been something recreated within us when
- 45:39S8: we get saved. And that, of course, is both our
- 45:43S8: motivation and our strength. But at the same time, we
- 45:47S8: have the responsibility of deciding that we are going to
- 45:51S8: take our thoughts captive and we are going to replace them.
- 45:57S8: And that's where discipline comes in. Discipline in the Christian
- 46:01S8: life is very, very important. And that's an aspect, and
- 46:06S8: I want to help everyone who's listening here today to
- 46:09S8: see that. And even as we talk about this, to
- 46:14S8: ask the question, how do I replace these thoughts that
- 46:18S8: I'm having with biblical thoughts?
- 46:21S2: Right. Pastor Erwin Lutzer, our guest right now. So that
- 46:24S2: that replacement, you know, you led us through that exercise
- 46:27S2: of thinking about one thing and then just stop, try
- 46:29S2: to stop thinking about it. I mean, when you think
- 46:31S2: about the things that often have people hung up, whether
- 46:34S2: it's past memories, past trauma, whether it's some sort of
- 46:38S2: lust or addiction, to try to stop thinking about something
- 46:43S2: doesn't often prove to be effective. You mentioned scripture memorization.
- 46:47S2: I mean, this is if we want to have the
- 46:49S2: mind of Christ, we do have the mind of Christ.
- 46:51S2: But if we want our thoughts to begin to conform
- 46:54S2: to the mind of Christ, it's a lot of intake
- 46:56S2: of scripture. I mean, there's no way around it, right?
- 46:59S2: I mean, is that what you're getting at here?
- 47:01S8: You know, just last night I preached at a church
- 47:04S8: and I preached on Jesus walking on the water. And
- 47:08S8: we all know the story. Peter asks if he can
- 47:11S8: get out of the boat, and Jesus says, yes. And
- 47:14S8: by the way, sometimes we criticize Peter. We say, well,
- 47:17S8: if he had kept his mind on Jesus, his eyes
- 47:20S8: on Jesus, he could have walked across the lake. Well,
- 47:23S8: that's true, but let's give him credit for getting out
- 47:25S8: of the boat. But here's the point. The Bible says
- 47:29S8: that when he began to walk on the water, he
- 47:32S8: saw the wind, and then he began to sink. And,
- 47:36S8: you know, there are people who are listening, and this
- 47:38S8: has been true of my life and your life too,
- 47:41S8: I'm sure where we see the wind and it doesn't
- 47:45S8: take us long for us to see the wind, that
- 47:47S8: is to say, the external circumstances that control our attention
- 47:53S8: and to get our eyes on Jesus. And sometimes it's
- 47:58S8: a battle. I want to tell a personal story that
- 48:01S8: happened about 40 years ago when I was going to
- 48:03S8: university and studying philosophy, I had an exam that I
- 48:08S8: was to take and it was an oral exam, and
- 48:11S8: I had failed it the first time. And I was
- 48:15S8: so anxious that as I was driving along, I was
- 48:20S8: consumed by fear. And I began to quote Scripture, you know,
- 48:26S8: peace I leave with you, my peace I give on
- 48:28S8: to you. Or, you know, the book of Philippians casting
- 48:31S8: all your care upon him. That's actually Peter. He cares
- 48:34S8: for you. And, and, uh, you know, be anxious for nothing,
- 48:39S8: but in everything in prayer. And it didn't help. Yeah.
- 48:42S8: But I kept doing it for about 10 or 15 minutes.
- 48:46S8: And suddenly this huge peace came upon me. I was
- 48:53S8: just as relaxed as I could possibly be. I was
- 48:57S8: rejoicing in the Lord. I went into the man's office
- 49:02S8: and flunked the test cold. I came back to the
- 49:06S8: church that I was pastor of at that time. It
- 49:08S8: was actually a Baptist church. This was 40 or 45
- 49:11S8: years ago. My secretary said, why are you in such
- 49:14S8: a good mood? I said, I've just flunked this exam
- 49:17S8: twice in a row. And so I tell students, if
- 49:20S8: you're going to flunk, do it victoriously. But the point
- 49:26S8: that I want to make is this thinking the mind
- 49:30S8: of Christ and keeping our eyes on Christ in Scripture
- 49:34S8: is not easy. We have to be blood earnest that
- 49:40S8: we are going to take the promises of Scripture, and
- 49:45S8: we are going to implant them in our minds, and
- 49:47S8: we're going to insist on them. And especially if you're
- 49:51S8: new at this, what you'll discover is that there is
- 49:54S8: a battle going on. You know, you're in Romans chapter 12.
- 49:59S8: They're the renewing of the mind. Don't be conformed to
- 50:03S8: this world. He's talking to Christians and it's so easy
- 50:06S8: for us. You are absolutely right, Ali. At the beginning,
- 50:10S8: when you mentioned that our default position is to be
- 50:14S8: conformed to the world, you let your thoughts go wherever
- 50:18S8: your thoughts go and want to go, and they're going
- 50:22S8: to go into some hostile territory. So we have to
- 50:27S8: take thought of the fact that we need the discipline
- 50:32S8: to be able to quote Scripture, to keep our eyes
- 50:36S8: on Christ, and if not, the world is going to
- 50:39S8: push us into its mold. And we've all experienced that.
- 50:43S8: And what we need to do is to stand against it.
- 50:47S2: Pastor Erwin Lutzer, thank you so much for your time
- 50:50S2: this morning. Would you offer up a quick prayer?
- 50:53S8: Father, help all of us to focus on Christ, to
- 50:56S8: have our minds renewed for your glory. Help us, Lord,
- 51:00S8: for we are weak. In Jesus name, Amen.
- 51:04S2: Pastor Lutzer, thank you so much. Read this scripture to
- 51:07S2: you once more. I want you to meditate on this
- 51:09S2: and really take to heart the words of our pastor
- 51:12S2: this morning that this is. This is going to be diligent, seeking,
- 51:17S2: taking in the word of God, not just in a
- 51:19S2: casual sense, but really resting and meditating on it. That's
- 51:23S2: Romans 122. Do not be conformed to this world, but
- 51:25S2: be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by
- 51:29S2: testing you may discern what is the will of God,
- 51:32S2: what is good and acceptable and perfect. Only a renewed
- 51:36S2: mind can discern the will of God. Only a renewed
- 51:40S2: mind can discern what is good and what is acceptable.
- 51:43S2: So the opposite of that is what. When our mind
- 51:46S2: is not transformed, we don't know the will of God.
- 51:49S2: We cannot discern what is good and acceptable and perfect
- 51:53S2: and encouragement. Get into the Word of God today. And
- 51:56S2: most importantly, let the Word of God get into you.