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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. Fresh polling out today shows the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's support with voters again on the slide, while Peter
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Speaker 2: Dalton's popularity continues to rise. Plus revelations over the weekend
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Speaker 2: that Labor will go to the polls in May and
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Speaker 2: not earlier as speculated. The Coalition today refuses to back
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Speaker 2: legislation regarding the student immigration numbers and what do we
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Speaker 2: know about these new laws that Labour wants passed to
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Speaker 2: deal with yet another High Court decision about those released
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Speaker 2: foreign criminals Dantean the Responsible Minister Shadow Minister.
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Speaker 3: Will join me from Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Veteran broadcaster Alan Jones, charged with historic indecent assault offenses,
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Speaker 2: granted conditional bail this afternoon to appear in court in
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Speaker 2: mid December and as the ultimate sitting week for the year.
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Speaker 2: With the Coalition pursuing Labor over secret climate targets and
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Speaker 2: their broken promises when it comes to power bills.
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Speaker 4: Can the government guarantee that Australians will not face an
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Speaker 4: increase in energy prices as a result of Labour's secret target.
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Speaker 5: And can the government guarantee that the Australians will not
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Speaker 5: face an increase in energy prices as a resultably Labour's
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Speaker 5: secret target.
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Speaker 2: But first I'd like to make some brief comments about
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Speaker 2: my former colleague Alan Jones, who was arrested today in
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Speaker 2: connection with allegations that he had indecently assaulted several young men.
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Speaker 2: The first point to make is that these are very
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Speaker 2: serious allegations. The second point to make is that these
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Speaker 2: allegations will now be tested in court, where evidence will
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Speaker 2: be put forward, and that evidence judged, all of it
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Speaker 2: in a very public way, as it should be, because
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Speaker 2: we believe in the rule of law in this country
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Speaker 2: and we expect it to be applied openly, transparently and fairly.
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Speaker 2: The third point I want to make is that I've
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Speaker 2: known Allan well. I've known him will for nearly two decades.
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Speaker 2: I've seen even many different contexts, and the behavior alleged
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Speaker 2: is entirely out of character with the man I've known.
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Speaker 2: The final point to make is that as a lawyer,
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Speaker 2: I want to remind all of us in the media,
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Speaker 2: but it's a fundamental rule of justice that someone in
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Speaker 2: this country is innocent until proven guilty. We are not
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Speaker 2: the judges here, nor are we the jury.
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Speaker 6: Those offenses include eleven charges of aggravated indecent assault where
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Speaker 6: the victim was under the authority of the offender, nine
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Speaker 6: charges related to assault with active indecency, two charges of
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Speaker 6: common assault, and two charges of sexual touching. Police will
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Speaker 6: allege these offenses took place between two thousand and one
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Speaker 6: and twenty nineteen, involving eight victims. The youngest of those
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Speaker 6: victims was seventeen year old when the time, at the
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Speaker 6: time when we alleged the offense took place, I wish
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Speaker 6: to commend the victims, and they're bravery in coming forward.
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Speaker 2: I'll say again, these charges are allegations, the men involved
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Speaker 2: are alleged victims, and these claims are serious.
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Speaker 3: They are very serious.
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Speaker 2: You've just seen the footage of his arrest. I note
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Speaker 2: that Alan Jones wasn't given the option of presenting himself
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Speaker 2: to the police station, and plainly the media were briefed
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Speaker 2: in advance of what was to happen, something that doesn't
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Speaker 2: sit well with any of us who expect just to be.
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Speaker 3: Impartial and blind.
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Speaker 2: I wish my friend well for what I know will
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Speaker 2: be a difficult few months ahead.
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Speaker 3: I do not know what happened in the.
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Speaker 2: Past, but I know tonight for everyone involved, this is
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Speaker 2: a traumatic day. I'll keep you abreast of developments in
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Speaker 2: the case right now to the climate and energy wars
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Speaker 2: that have been raging for the past two decades, and
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Speaker 2: they're going to now be turbo charged by the second
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Speaker 2: coming of Donald Trump as US president. The US is
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Speaker 2: the world's largest economy, the world's second largest emitter, and
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Speaker 2: the incoming president has made it two key pledges. First
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Speaker 2: to restore America's dominance in fossil fuels under the slogan Drill,
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Speaker 2: Baby Drill, and second to again pull out of the
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Speaker 2: Climate Paris Accords with Paris Climate Accords, as it did
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Speaker 2: last time when he was president. Now, whatever your views
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Speaker 2: on climate change, what America says and what America does
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Speaker 2: has a huge bearing not just in world's the world's
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Speaker 2: emissions trajectory, but on global energy security as well. Trump
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Speaker 2: has repeatedly said that man made climate change is largely
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Speaker 2: a hoax, and he has just announced the entrepreneur Chris
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Speaker 2: Right as his pick for.
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Speaker 3: Energy secretary in his new cabinet.
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Speaker 2: Wright said last year, and I quote there is no
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Speaker 2: climate crisis, and we are not in the midst of an.
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Speaker 3: Energy transition either. Now he's correct.
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Speaker 2: On this score, at least that outside the developed world,
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Speaker 2: no one, no countries turning their economy upside down in
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Speaker 2: order to reduce emissions. And now the US is about
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Speaker 2: to rejoin China, India, Indonesia and all the other countries
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Speaker 2: that have put economic and strategic strength ahead of climate
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Speaker 2: posturing by abandoning any.
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Speaker 3: Hard emissions commitments.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Beijing is happy enough to demand that others
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Speaker 2: cut their emissions, but will do nothing on its own
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Speaker 2: to cut its emissions as it continues to claim developing
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Speaker 2: nation status and in a cutting and geopolitical play, Beijing's
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Speaker 2: also happy to demand a multi trillion dollar climate slush fund,
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Speaker 2: because a fund like this weakens the West. And while
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Speaker 2: Beijing has its eyes wide open, the one person who
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Speaker 2: can't see through all this posturing, who doesn't seem to
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Speaker 2: have noticed that things have changed, it's our own Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, at the APEX summon in Peru, he
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Speaker 2: told the gathering that Australia is quote a future renewable
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Speaker 2: energy superpower, as if other countries don't have sun or wind. Nothing,
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Speaker 2: it would seem, will deflect Anthony Albanezi from the economic
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Speaker 2: self harm inherent in Labour's energy policy, which is driving
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Speaker 2: up everyone's cost of living, driving our heavy industries offshore
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Speaker 2: where powers cheaper, and making us ever more dependent on China,
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Speaker 2: which is the source of around eighty percent of the
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Speaker 2: world's solar panels and wind turbines. Speaking at the APEC
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Speaker 2: Letters Retreat, the Prime Minister said more solar wind and
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Speaker 2: green hydrogen is essential for us to deal with a
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Speaker 2: threat that climate change poses to our environment, our farmers,
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Speaker 2: our forests, our oceans and rivers, and our future food security.
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Speaker 2: Now this is just alarmist nonsense. Many farmers think that
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Speaker 2: the biggest threat to them is the environmental devastation wrought
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Speaker 2: by the masses of wind turbines and solar panels now
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Speaker 2: devastating prime agricultural land and our once pristine national parts.
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Speaker 2: And hasn't the PM noticed that everyone from Twiggy Forests
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Speaker 2: down is withdrawing from green hydrogen because it's turned out
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Speaker 2: to be little more than an expensive pipe dream. But
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Speaker 2: it's not just the Almenezy government that's increasingly out of
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Speaker 2: step with other countries. It's out of step two with
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Speaker 2: advice it's getting from experts here. Even the head of
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Speaker 2: the energy market operator says that gas is essential.
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Speaker 3: To make renewables work.
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Speaker 2: Today, the head of one of our biggest miners, Glenn
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Speaker 2: Call's Gary Nagel, said Australia's attitude to coal was out
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Speaker 2: of step with the rest of the world. Outside of Australia,
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Speaker 2: he said, stakeholders are generally more willing to have a
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Speaker 2: conversation about coal. The transitions are not going to happen overnight,
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Speaker 2: and many countries have accepted coal as a shorter term
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Speaker 2: transition fuel as well. The head of Origin Energy, one
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Speaker 2: of our biggest power suppliers, has today said that Australia
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Speaker 2: is underprepared for a future without coal. Frank Calabria says
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Speaker 2: that difficult decisions are being made too late or put
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Speaker 2: in the too hard basket.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: This government's energy policy is a slow motion train wreck,
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Speaker 2: and ministers from the Prime Minister down to pig headed
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Speaker 2: to admit we're in deep trouble and they're just praying
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Speaker 2: they can get through the looming election for you before
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Speaker 2: Australia wakes up a hide parliaments to here, as I
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Speaker 2: said penultimate sitting week of the year. Let's go there
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Speaker 2: now to camera for the headlines sky Neys political reporter
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Speaker 2: Trinty Macintosh.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister will tonight meet with China's president on
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Speaker 7: the sidelines of the G twenty in Brazil.
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Speaker 8: Incoming.
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Speaker 7: US President Donald Trump not at the summit, but his
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Speaker 7: trade tariff threat is looming over the talks.
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Speaker 9: Trade between Australia and the United States is in both
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Speaker 9: of our nations interests.
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Speaker 8: Here at home, A new poll has found more Australians
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Speaker 8: believe Peter Dutton would be better placed to negotiate with
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Speaker 8: Trump than Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 10: They've gone better equipped to lead our country, particularly in
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Speaker 10: difficult times.
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Speaker 11: I think he has a kind of a reckless arrogance
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Speaker 11: which doesn't lend itself to foreign policy.
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Speaker 7: Lydia Thorpe says she won't be silenced promising to protest
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Speaker 7: the King again despite being censured. In the Senate, Labour
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Speaker 7: and all but one Coalition senator teamed up to condemn
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Speaker 7: Senator Thorpe's high profile protest.
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Speaker 3: Senator's behavior in this place and beyond is designed to
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Speaker 3: cause outraged.
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Speaker 12: This motion is not about what she said, but it
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Speaker 12: is about the conduct and that was undertaken.
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Speaker 11: Center motion is like that to me, I don't give
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Speaker 11: a damn about censure motion.
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Speaker 13: In fact, I'm going to use it for kindling later
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Speaker 13: on in the week.
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Speaker 7: The Upper House also censured Senator Ralph Babett for hate
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Speaker 7: speech over a series of inflammatory social media posts, and
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Speaker 7: businesses selling essential items will be forced to continue to
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Speaker 7: take cash under a new Labor government plan.
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Speaker 8: Most businesses still accept cash, but the number has fallen
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Speaker 8: to around ninety four percent since the pandemic.
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Speaker 14: Cash can be a really important lifeline.
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Speaker 10: It's nothing more than a thought, and I think probably
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Speaker 10: a distraction from the Treasurer, who frankly should be spending
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Speaker 10: his time on working on how to bring down inflation.
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Speaker 8: Trudy Macintosh Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 3: Alright, I'm all out of camb today.
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Speaker 2: I'mjoined now by National Affairs editor for The Australian, Dennis Shanahan. Well,
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Speaker 2: we'll start with another poll on a good one for
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Speaker 2: the government, but the very much the same vein this
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Speaker 2: one today as other polls, the government continuing to struggle
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Speaker 2: to arrest its decline in support. Dennis, this one's in
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Speaker 2: the Australian Financial Review. It's the Freshwater strategy poll, little
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Speaker 2: change there. In the primary vote, the Coalition is still
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Speaker 2: leading forty percentage points. Labour's at thirty in two party
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Speaker 2: preferred terms, the coalitions in front fifty one forty nine
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Speaker 2: in terms of preferred PM Peter Dartin's picked up three
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Speaker 2: points since July and now sits at forty two, just
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Speaker 2: one point behind the Prime Minister, who has now dropped
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Speaker 2: two points to forty three. On the issue of who's
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Speaker 2: best to deal with the incoming US president, foreven percent
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Speaker 2: say Peter Dutton's better placed, and a thirty six percent
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Speaker 2: believe Anthony Allen easy is up to the task. Now
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Speaker 2: that's the Donald Trump stuff to one side. What would
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Speaker 2: worry the government here is we're getting poll after poll
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Speaker 2: after poll, and it would appear, Dennis, that nothing they
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Speaker 2: are doing is turning things around.
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Speaker 15: Yes, Peter, the problem with this Freshwater pole is that
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Speaker 15: Freshwater over the last few months has actually just been
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Speaker 15: a little bit ahead of the trend. All the poles
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Speaker 15: are showing the same thing now that Labor is losing support,
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Speaker 15: that Labor is behind on two party preferred, it's behind
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Speaker 15: on the primary vote. The coalition has a four in
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Speaker 15: front of its primary vote. Peter Dutton is closing in
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Speaker 15: or in this particular pole actually equal to statistically to
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Speaker 15: the prime minister on preferred prime minister. Are all bad
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Speaker 15: numbers for Labor at this stage of the electoral cycle.
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Speaker 15: There is no sign of them turning it around. But
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Speaker 15: I think the even greater problem in this pole is
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Speaker 15: the issues. Freshwater polls what people regard as the top issues,
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Speaker 15: and then it asks what people which opposition or government
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Speaker 15: or what leader would be best able to handle those
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Speaker 15: top issues. In every one of the top six issues,
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Speaker 15: of course, starting with cost of living, the Coalition has
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Speaker 15: a double digit lead over Labor. That includes managing the economy, taxes, jobs.
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Speaker 15: It is just a killing pole, and the government has
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Speaker 15: not shown any sign that it is willing to do
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Speaker 15: more than just what it has been doing and offer
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Speaker 15: some more spending on public service wages or for student loans.
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Speaker 15: It is just not doing enough to turn this around.
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Speaker 15: I think this is getting to the stage where it
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Speaker 15: is a very dangerous trend for the Labor Party.
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Speaker 2: I have to say to Dennis, you know, and you've
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Speaker 2: been around a long time. You get to the end
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Speaker 2: of the calendar year, there's a pressure point on legislation
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Speaker 2: through the parliament. It's a hectic period. You're going into
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Speaker 2: an election year. You'd have some big announcements to deal with.
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Speaker 2: You'd have some big legislation that you'd want to at
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Speaker 2: least get moving through the parliament. We know they've got
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Speaker 2: to do something on these foreign criminal detainees. But they
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Speaker 2: go out today and they make an announcement about cash.
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Speaker 2: You know, cash is king. We're going to protect cash.
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Speaker 2: We're going to get rid of checks. I think they
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Speaker 2: go in twenty twenty nine, but we're going to protect cash,
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Speaker 2: says the government.
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Speaker 11: Now.
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Speaker 2: Surely on the federal government's desk. Issues to deal with
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Speaker 2: our way bigger than this. And the problem and I
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Speaker 2: love cash too, But the problem isn't so much who
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Speaker 2: will take cash. The problem is that in our pockets
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Speaker 2: we don't have enough of it. The problem is cost
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Speaker 2: of living. And this looks like a campaign promise, It
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Speaker 2: looks like something you do in the middle of a campaign. Dennis,
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Speaker 2: I think that again looks gimmicky, stuntish for the government.
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Speaker 15: Well, well, certainly cost of living is the main issue.
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Speaker 15: The amount of cash you have, or the amount of
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Speaker 15: money you have in your ATM or on your card.
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Speaker 15: There's no doubt about that. But I think what we're
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Speaker 15: seeing here is Jim Chalmers is trying to point to
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Speaker 15: a series of things he is doing as Treasurer to
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Speaker 15: try and ease the burden on people. Now, as far
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Speaker 15: as this idea is that you know they're going to
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Speaker 15: do away with cash and now they're not, it would
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Speaker 15: be very silly for any government, and it has to
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Speaker 15: be very careful the way it says we're going to
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Speaker 15: do away with cash. People who are still very reliant
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Speaker 15: on cash, people in the country and the regions, people
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Speaker 15: who are on older people and people on lower incomes.
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Speaker 15: These are all crucial areas for labor to have support
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Speaker 15: and I think any group that has the support of
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Speaker 15: Bob Catter in Far North Queensland to retain cash is
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Speaker 15: an electoral group which is important and labor has recognized it.
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Speaker 15: I think it would be a very silly labor government
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Speaker 15: that just tried to blithely do away with cash. And
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Speaker 15: I think we're seeing the signs the sensitivity, particularly from
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Speaker 15: the Treasurer, on what can be done around the edges. Inflation.
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Speaker 15: Cost of living still the main game. He has to
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Speaker 15: concentrate on that, but he has to also try and
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Speaker 15: demonstrate he's doing some smaller things on the edges.
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Speaker 2: It also could be part of an audition for the
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Speaker 2: top job, Dennis. Let's not rule him out of that.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to South Australia to the Liberals. There had
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Speaker 2: a by election. This was for the once safe seat
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Speaker 2: of black This is the seat where their former leader
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Speaker 2: state opposition leader had retired from. The swing against them
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Speaker 2: over the weekend was a massive eighteen percent and it's
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Speaker 2: the second seat held by a former state Liberal leader
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Speaker 2: that they've lost. They lost, of course, Stephen Marshall's seat
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Speaker 2: when he quit the parliament after losing the election to Labor.
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Speaker 2: This makes Peter Premier Peter malanowskis the most popular Labor
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Speaker 2: leader in the country now on a federal scale, here, dinnis,
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Speaker 2: we know that Mark McGowan's popularity really helped Anthony Albanezy
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Speaker 2: at the last election in WA. Is Labour going to
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Speaker 2: get a federal boost from Malinowskis out of South Australia.
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Speaker 15: Oh well, I think they will. You do have to
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Speaker 15: be very careful interpreting state election results, particularly by election results,
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Speaker 15: into a federal sphere. Let's remember it was a state
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Speaker 15: by election in the seat of Penrith that actually brought
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Speaker 15: down Kevin Rudd because it was such a big it
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Speaker 15: was twenty two percent swing at the state level, it
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Speaker 15: changed hands and a liberal won a safe labor seat.
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Speaker 15: That actually translated into a loss of the leadership for
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Speaker 15: Kevin Rudd. I think we're not going to see that obviously,
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Speaker 15: particularly since it's a labor win. But what we do
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Speaker 15: have to see is this whole balancing. People are saying, oh, well,
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Speaker 15: the fact that Queensland labor lost at the state level,
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Speaker 15: that will help labor at a federal level. They're saying
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Speaker 15: that McGowan's popularity certainly helped labor. And there's a fight
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Speaker 15: between the Roger Cook and the alban Asy as to
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Speaker 15: whether they go who goes first, as it were, you know,
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Speaker 15: penguin's on the ice floe, trying to knock each other
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Speaker 15: off to see who goes first and who takes the
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Speaker 15: animosity that the voters feel towards Anton alban As in
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Speaker 15: Western Australia. But I think on South Australia there's no
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Speaker 15: doubt that will help. But in no way can South
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Speaker 15: Australia that is a positive result at a state level
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Speaker 15: for labor have the same result as in either Queensland
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Speaker 15: or Western Australia, simply because there aren't the seats there
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Speaker 15: that make the difference. If that state level swing was translated,
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Speaker 15: we'd see a wipe out of the Liberals in South Australia.
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Speaker 15: But I think South Australia remains basically a neutral state
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Speaker 15: where there's going to be maybe one seat go one
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Speaker 15: way and one the other and no real difference. And
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Speaker 15: I don't think this state by election result is going
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Speaker 15: to have anywhere near the impact that the Penrith by
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Speaker 15: election did in New South Wales. I think, yes there
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Speaker 15: are effects, we have to be careful not to overestimate them,
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Speaker 15: and I think in the end that the actual impact
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Speaker 15: in South Australia is lower than elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: So that's basically telling everyone over there who's a bit
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Speaker 2: carried away today to take a chill pill from Dennis Shanahan.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, menis as always right.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to what's.
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Speaker 2: Becoming more apparent by the day, businesses who've been hesitant
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Speaker 2: to criticize the alber Eezy government's energy strategy, and now
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Speaker 2: I'm becoming more and more.
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Speaker 3: Emboldened to speak out.
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Speaker 2: The latest broadside comes from glen Core CEO Gary Nagel,
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Speaker 2: who's urging the government to slow its transition to renewables.
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Speaker 2: Whether Australia's energy costs now double or more than that
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Speaker 2: of comparable countries like the States and Canada, even China
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Speaker 2: and India joining me no owt to discuss this and more.
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Speaker 2: Environmental editor at The Australian Graham Lloyd well Graham. Nagel
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Speaker 2: goes on to say that outside Australia, shareholders stakeholders who says,
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Speaker 2: are more than willing to at least consider coal.
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Speaker 3: Here in Australia, coal.
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Speaker 2: Is demonized despite our abundance of it. It seems counterintuitive,
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Speaker 2: but he's right, I think in calling out the cost
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Speaker 2: of production, the cost of energy here in Australia when
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Speaker 2: compared to countries like our own overseas.
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Speaker 13: That ry good evening, Peter. It's certainly one of the
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Speaker 13: great ironies that the more that environment groups have demonized gas,
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Speaker 13: the more they've ensured that coal will have a longer
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Speaker 13: duration life in the energy systems around the world. It's
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Speaker 13: what we've seen in Europe when Russian gas was turned off,
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Speaker 13: the reflex was to return to coal as the alternative
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Speaker 13: that works. So companies everywhere are now much more pragmatic.
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Speaker 13: We reached a peak in virtue probably a couple of
21:51
Speaker 13: years ago. Now the big investment houses are saying, well,
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Speaker 13: for all the talk about fossil fuels being pushed out
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Speaker 13: of the system, the use of col in particular, it
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Speaker 13: continues to grow. Emissions continue to grow. And that's just
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Speaker 13: the fact of economic life.
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Speaker 2: You've got to love the righteous climate and zealots. You know,
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Speaker 2: at the COP beating the UN's COP twenty nine. This
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Speaker 2: is an Azerbaijan. We're in the final week now, seventy
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Speaker 2: thousand delegates. Seventy thousand delegates go over there on their
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Speaker 2: private planes and commercial aircraft. Many of them took a
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Speaker 2: car or a camel to get to Baku. How many
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Speaker 2: delegates do we send from Australia, because I remember in
22:35
Speaker 2: the past the costs were in the tens of millions
22:39
Speaker 2: of dollars in the Kevin Rudd era, and how much
22:42
Speaker 2: if we are just you know, the decision is to
22:46
Speaker 2: Australia to host COP thirty one in twenty twenty six,
22:50
Speaker 2: how many millions and millions will that cost?
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Speaker 13: Just then, well, the one thing that'scerned. This is not
22:57
Speaker 13: a cheap undertaking, and the irony is the number of
23:04
Speaker 13: tendees from any country pretty much is determined by whether
23:09
Speaker 13: they're a contributor or a beneficiary from the money that's
23:13
Speaker 13: going to be handed out. So you see some of
23:15
Speaker 13: the biggest delegations from some of the least developed nations
23:19
Speaker 13: and developed countries are trying to stay away, with the
23:23
Speaker 13: exception of Australia. Of course, we're of boots in for
23:27
Speaker 13: this meeting. We have a delegation that would be very substantial.
23:31
Speaker 13: The Defact hasn't published an actual list of who's there,
23:35
Speaker 13: but you can be sure it will be costing millions.
23:38
Speaker 13: And that is only part of the money we've been
23:40
Speaker 13: spending because, of course, as part of diplomacy and trying
23:44
Speaker 13: to get everybody on board for a climate conference of
23:48
Speaker 13: our own, we've had climate ambassadors flying all over the
23:52
Speaker 13: world for the past year trying to up drum up support.
23:57
Speaker 13: So these costs are very substantial before we even get
24:01
Speaker 13: to the point of showing how much we care by
24:04
Speaker 13: what we plan to contribute to the Green Climate Fund.
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Speaker 2: It's like the words of the excesses that people used
24:11
Speaker 2: to spend up being trying to win the Olympics of
24:13
Speaker 2: the World Cup football game. Here we are spending and
24:16
Speaker 2: admitting many hundreds of million dollars to get this talk
24:20
Speaker 2: first to Australia. What about this one point eight trillion
24:23
Speaker 2: dollar a year fund? This will just be a slush
24:28
Speaker 2: fund for climate change. I was horrified to hear that
24:32
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen is a code chair of this fund and
24:35
Speaker 2: its negotiations at COP. How much is that going to
24:38
Speaker 2: cost us? How many billions are we on the hook for?
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Speaker 3: Heir Graham.
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Speaker 13: Well, this is the core of this meeting in Baku.
24:48
Speaker 13: They're calling it the finance COP because they believe that
24:51
Speaker 13: they dealt last time with the fact, well we won't
24:54
Speaker 13: be using coal anymore. So they're moving on now to
24:57
Speaker 13: basically what's been at the heart of the COP process,
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Speaker 13: which is the distribution of funds from the developed world
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Speaker 13: to the developing.
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Speaker 14: So the figure that has been.
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Speaker 13: Put out there by China on behalf of a group
25:11
Speaker 13: of seventy seven developing countries is that it should be
25:14
Speaker 13: one point three trillion US dollars per year starting from
25:19
Speaker 13: around the twenty thirties, and in the past the United
25:23
Speaker 13: States has always been assumed it will be paying at
25:25
Speaker 13: least half of that. Australia's contribution will be about four
25:29
Speaker 13: to five percent. But of course if Donald Trump pulls out,
25:33
Speaker 13: that leaves a big hole in the funding capacity, and
25:37
Speaker 13: certainly the demand for the money is still there, and
25:40
Speaker 13: it leaves those who are left in the system further
25:43
Speaker 13: on the hook.
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Speaker 3: You know. Wrong.
25:46
Speaker 2: And of course China is under cop rules a developing nation,
25:50
Speaker 2: so it's got its hand in the cookie jar as well.
25:53
Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Graham.
25:55
Speaker 2: All right, after break the collige and said it will
25:56
Speaker 2: oppose Labour's student caps.
25:59
Speaker 3: Fair enough, but how are we going to rain the
26:01
Speaker 3: numbers in?
26:02
Speaker 2: We'll talk to Dan teen plus a petition to cancel
26:04
Speaker 2: of federal funding for the suburban rail loop in Melbourne,
26:08
Speaker 2: now set to cost taxpayers billions. Welcome back tomorrow our
26:15
Speaker 2: Prime minister set to meet with Shejing Ping.
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Speaker 3: So will he raise tough topics? Will he just cow
26:20
Speaker 3: Tao in the way to.
26:21
Speaker 2: Which he has become accustomed the first Let's get into
26:24
Speaker 2: it now. The Coalition today announcing it will oppose the
26:27
Speaker 2: government's legislation to cap international students at two hundred and seventy.
26:31
Speaker 3: Thousand from next year.
26:33
Speaker 2: The bill's been labeled by the Coalition as chaotic and confused,
26:37
Speaker 2: the Opposition declaring they've got no confidence the government's capable
26:41
Speaker 2: of fixing its immigration mess. The number of foreign students
26:45
Speaker 2: in Australia has almost doubled from four hundred and seventy
26:48
Speaker 2: thousand in May of twenty twenty two to more than
26:52
Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand today, with recent ABS data showing that
26:56
Speaker 2: net overseas migrations now on track to seed one million
27:01
Speaker 2: people in Labour's first two years in office. For more
27:05
Speaker 2: on these, I'm joining now by Shadow Minister for Immigration
27:08
Speaker 2: and Citizenship, Dan teen Dan, thank you for your time.
27:12
Speaker 2: I'll move on to the wider issue of uncontrolled migration
27:16
Speaker 2: in a moment. But on this bill, what's stopping you
27:21
Speaker 2: from being able to support it?
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Speaker 11: Well, it's just not going to fix the problem, Peter,
27:27
Speaker 11: as you have said, and we've seen a doubling of
27:31
Speaker 11: the number.
27:31
Speaker 14: Of international students here in Australia.
27:34
Speaker 11: Our research points to the fact there is over a
27:37
Speaker 11: million people here now who are either on international student
27:42
Speaker 11: visas who came here or on international student visas, and
27:46
Speaker 11: this is in.
27:47
Speaker 14: A housing and rental crisis.
27:50
Speaker 11: This bill was doing nothing about secondary visas so the
27:54
Speaker 11: partners who come here with those international students now that's
27:58
Speaker 11: blown out to over are one hundred and twenty thousand
28:02
Speaker 11: and eighty six percent of them are now seeking a
28:06
Speaker 11: way to stay here.
28:08
Speaker 14: They've been asked to reform.
28:10
Speaker 11: The points test, which is encouraging people to stay here
28:15
Speaker 11: as well who come here on temporary visas.
28:19
Speaker 14: The whole thing is.
28:20
Speaker 11: Such a mess that one bill, and this bill in particular,
28:25
Speaker 11: addressing one issue just is not going to address the
28:29
Speaker 11: problem which has reached such a magnitude.
28:32
Speaker 14: So we want to make sure that.
28:34
Speaker 11: We've got a suite of policies that we will put
28:37
Speaker 11: to the Australian people to deal with this. And one
28:40
Speaker 11: of the other things that we'll do is we'll make
28:42
Speaker 11: sure we consult with regional universities, with the private education
28:47
Speaker 11: providers to make sure that there's proper consultation with them.
28:51
Speaker 11: Because everything this government is doing is all about bringing
28:55
Speaker 11: more and more people, in particular to Melbourne and Sydney
28:58
Speaker 11: and adding to this house in a rental crisis.
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Speaker 2: Dan, what would your alternative be, Because I know you've
29:07
Speaker 2: said you're concerned about these student numbers, fair enough, you're
29:09
Speaker 2: also concerned about boarder numbers across the board net overseas migrations.
29:15
Speaker 2: But all those commitments from the government that they would
29:17
Speaker 2: bring these numbers down, they are not bringing them down.
29:21
Speaker 3: What's the coalition's solution.
29:24
Speaker 11: Well, we will look at student caps, we will look
29:27
Speaker 11: at the secondary visas, we will look at the points tests,
29:31
Speaker 11: we will look at what we need to do to
29:33
Speaker 11: make sure that the majority of temporary visa holders come
29:37
Speaker 11: to this country, study and then leave, and we will
29:40
Speaker 11: make sure that what we do doesn't mean that if
29:43
Speaker 11: you apply pressure in one way, it then leeds to
29:47
Speaker 11: all these unintended consequences in another, which is what the
29:51
Speaker 11: government is doing. They have failed to put a holistic
29:55
Speaker 11: approach together to be able to deal with this, and
29:58
Speaker 11: that's why, for instance, seen the amount of people claiming
30:01
Speaker 11: asylum continuing to.
30:03
Speaker 14: Rise at levels we haven't seen.
30:06
Speaker 11: We're seeing those who are here on international student visas
30:09
Speaker 11: claiming asylum. Those numbers are starting to increase. If you
30:13
Speaker 11: don't address this in a holistic issue, all you do
30:17
Speaker 11: is take the mess that you've created in one part
30:20
Speaker 11: and put it in another part, and the pile just.
30:23
Speaker 14: Continues to get bigger.
30:25
Speaker 11: And that is what we're going to see under this government,
30:28
Speaker 11: sadly because they have no proper plan to address it.
30:34
Speaker 2: After that High Court decision, the one that said you
30:36
Speaker 2: can't put an ankle bracelet, or you can't monitor or
30:39
Speaker 2: apply a curfew to any of these foreign criminals now
30:42
Speaker 2: out on the street, the government said, look, we'll put
30:45
Speaker 2: some legislation in, some emergency legislation. Have you seen that
30:49
Speaker 2: legislation yet? Have you had a briefing? Have you seen
30:52
Speaker 2: legal advice? Because we know what happened last time they
30:55
Speaker 2: had this emergency legislation. They got it through this time
30:58
Speaker 2: last year. They're not you at once. What can you
31:01
Speaker 2: tell us?
31:04
Speaker 11: So we've had a briefing and we've asked to see
31:07
Speaker 11: the legal advice because you're absolutely right, everything that this
31:10
Speaker 11: government has done so far has been completely and utterly botched.
31:14
Speaker 11: We've been given assurances and those assurances have then turned
31:18
Speaker 11: out to be completely false.
31:21
Speaker 14: So we have asked to see legal advice.
31:24
Speaker 11: We have asked for there to be a short Senate
31:27
Speaker 11: inquiry so that we can look at this to make
31:29
Speaker 11: sure that what the government has proposed isn't another disaster.
31:35
Speaker 11: So my hope is we'll see that happen quickly.
31:38
Speaker 14: This week.
31:39
Speaker 11: We would like to see this bill past the Parliament
31:43
Speaker 11: in this fortnight, but we want to make sure that
31:47
Speaker 11: they've got it right. And that's why, once again we
31:50
Speaker 11: want to do the work that they seem to fail
31:53
Speaker 11: to want to do, and that's to make sure we'll
31:55
Speaker 11: actually make a difference because at the moment, there is
31:59
Speaker 11: two hundred twenty four hardened criminals running around this country
32:03
Speaker 11: without ankle bracelets, without curfews, and who knows, sadly what.
32:09
Speaker 14: They might be up to.
32:10
Speaker 11: And once again we're not seeing any urgency from the
32:13
Speaker 11: government on this.
32:14
Speaker 14: I would have thought that we would.
32:16
Speaker 11: Have seen from them and heard from them that we
32:19
Speaker 11: would have a rapid Senate inquiry and we would have
32:22
Speaker 11: a clear timeline as to when they would want to
32:24
Speaker 11: pass this bill. But the fact that there are two
32:27
Speaker 11: hundred and twenty four hardened criminals out there just doesn't
32:29
Speaker 11: seem to concern them, sadly.
32:33
Speaker 2: Just a quick one, Dan, we're about the same age,
32:35
Speaker 2: we're both Victorians and a writer. Passage has always been
32:39
Speaker 2: the Melbourne Christmas My Windows. They were canceled that the
32:43
Speaker 2: unveiling of the windows were counseled for the second time
32:45
Speaker 2: only in seventy years on the weekend the windows were
32:50
Speaker 2: hijacked by pro Palestinian protesters. I think Victorians have had enough.
32:56
Speaker 2: I mean, can't the premier grow a spine here and
32:59
Speaker 2: put in place a permit system because kids have had
33:03
Speaker 2: enough in Victoria with COVID. They are pretty quick the
33:06
Speaker 2: police to go after COVID protesters. But there's like you
33:10
Speaker 2: get out of jail free card for these clowns from
33:13
Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian mob.
33:16
Speaker 11: You're right, Peter, it's a disgrace and it's a sad
33:20
Speaker 11: reality of where the state of the State of Victoria
33:23
Speaker 11: is at the moment that the premiere will not take
33:26
Speaker 11: firm action on these It seems to be that politics
33:30
Speaker 11: is ruling at every which way and the best interests
33:34
Speaker 11: of the state of Victoria, and in particular the children
33:38
Speaker 11: in the state of the Victoria, has been completely and
33:40
Speaker 11: utterly discounted. Everyone has seen as a writer passage going
33:46
Speaker 11: along and seeing those windows and seeing the joy of
33:51
Speaker 11: either taking your own children to see them or as
33:54
Speaker 11: a child seeing those windows, and the fact that children
33:58
Speaker 11: couldn't do that over the weekend is a sad indict
34:01
Speaker 11: tacking on the Premiere of Victoria.
34:03
Speaker 2: Sadly, Yeah, Labor Party full stop. Oliver there, thanks dan Or.
34:09
Speaker 2: After the break and what might be the final strawer,
34:11
Speaker 2: Australia voting against Israel at the UN, A massive shift
34:15
Speaker 2: in our foreign policy after the break pluts that meeting
34:18
Speaker 2: with Jijiping tomorrow.
34:20
Speaker 3: What's on the agenda. We'll talk for an expert after
34:22
Speaker 3: the break.
34:27
Speaker 2: Welcome back the latest clown act from the Chief plant
34:29
Speaker 2: herself Lydia Thoughpe.
34:30
Speaker 3: We'll get into that, but first.
34:31
Speaker 2: In a sign of it, another departure from the long
34:33
Speaker 2: standing bipartisan approach Australia's taken to Israel. Late last week,
34:37
Speaker 2: the Labor government back to UN resolution that recognized the
34:41
Speaker 2: permanent sovereignty of Palestidians, it says, and the occupied territories
34:46
Speaker 2: not only a slap in the face to our one
34:48
Speaker 2: ally in the Middle East, Israel, but it's also breaking
34:51
Speaker 2: ranks with our biggest ally, the United States.
34:54
Speaker 3: Who voted no.
34:56
Speaker 2: A spokesperson for the Foreign Minister, Penny Wong, said the
34:58
Speaker 2: vote reflected and iq I quote international concern about Israeli
35:02
Speaker 2: actions that impede access to natural resources and I'm going
35:06
Speaker 2: settlement activity, land dispossession, demolitions and settler violence against Palestinians
35:12
Speaker 2: joined me now to discuss this big shock move. President
35:15
Speaker 2: to the Zion has found a Federation of Australia. Jeremy Leiebler, Jeremy,
35:20
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. I wish we could get
35:23
Speaker 2: you on the program and be able to celebrate something
35:26
Speaker 2: the Australian government is doing on the world stage or
35:28
Speaker 2: here at home to support Israel. But I was shocked
35:32
Speaker 2: with this news the other day. What's been the reaction
35:35
Speaker 2: of your community.
35:38
Speaker 5: Well, Peter, if you'd told me twelve months ago, so
35:43
Speaker 5: just after the seventh of October, that a year from then,
35:48
Speaker 5: while there was still over one hundred hostages being held
35:50
Speaker 5: in Gaza, and while Israel's fighting a war on multiple
35:54
Speaker 5: fronts against proxies of Iran, that the Australian government would
35:59
Speaker 5: shift to position on a resolution that he has consistently
36:04
Speaker 5: voted against or abstained for the last ten years. I
36:08
Speaker 5: will tell you that you're living in some sort of
36:10
Speaker 5: alternative universe. This resolution, in effect and voting in favor
36:16
Speaker 5: of it makes Australia part of the delegitimization of the
36:21
Speaker 5: State of Israel at a time when it is fighting
36:23
Speaker 5: a war for its very existence. And I would never
36:27
Speaker 5: ever have predicted that to be the case.
36:33
Speaker 2: Isn't this just rewarding her mask? Isn't this just rewarding
36:35
Speaker 2: her mask for crossing into Israel, murdering over a thousand
36:39
Speaker 2: people in the most brutal way, and continuing its campaign
36:43
Speaker 2: to deny the very existence of Israel. This says to terrorists,
36:47
Speaker 2: do your worst and you can actually win hearts and
36:51
Speaker 2: minds at the UN.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's precisely what it does. And the irony of
36:57
Speaker 5: all of this is that it prolongs the war, longs
37:00
Speaker 5: the suffering. Because if Australia joined with other parts of
37:06
Speaker 5: the international community actually applying pressure where it belongs on Ramas,
37:09
Speaker 5: on Rizbulla and on Iran, well, that would bring an
37:12
Speaker 5: end to this war a lot faster. Just to give
37:15
Speaker 5: you a little bit of a flavor of these resolutions,
37:18
Speaker 5: one of the resolutions actually criticizes Israel's building of its
37:24
Speaker 5: security fence in two thousand and four. Prior to that,
37:28
Speaker 5: hundreds and hundreds of Israeli civilians were blown up in
37:30
Speaker 5: suicide bombings in cafes and restaurants, in hospitals, and at
37:35
Speaker 5: bus stops. So Israel built a security fence to stop
37:39
Speaker 5: suicide bombers from entering its territory, and it was incredibly
37:43
Speaker 5: successful because the number of suicide incidents actually went pretty
37:47
Speaker 5: much to zero. On the seventh of October, where Jamas
37:51
Speaker 5: managed to breach that fence in multiple places. We saw
37:54
Speaker 5: what they did. We saw the murder, the rape, the
37:58
Speaker 5: mutilating of innocent Israelis over twelve hundred and just imagine
38:03
Speaker 5: had Israel heated this resolution back then and not built
38:08
Speaker 5: that security fence, what would have happened on the seventh
38:10
Speaker 5: of October.
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Speaker 3: It's shocking. I mean, I'll have to leave it there, Drem,
38:16
Speaker 3: but I just wanted to get you on.
38:16
Speaker 2: I did not want this, I think reprehensible decision by
38:21
Speaker 2: my own country, by your country to pass at the
38:24
Speaker 2: UNA not recorded here on the show. Thank you for
38:26
Speaker 2: your time. Well, let's go to other international news. Of course,
38:31
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's about to have his third bilateral with
38:34
Speaker 2: Jijiping in the margins of the G twenty trade. Of
38:37
Speaker 2: course it'll be on the table for conversation, particularly following
38:40
Speaker 2: the Trump victory. Let's just see what the experts though say.
38:45
Speaker 2: Beyond that, will we rave enough Australia to raise some
38:47
Speaker 2: of those thorny issues with China. I'm so sure shout
38:50
Speaker 2: to be in our Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, Peter Jennings, Well,
38:55
Speaker 2: we've had a few near missus with the Chinese army
38:57
Speaker 2: since they last met. I hope you have, Peter, that
39:01
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister might actually raise this with the President.
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Speaker 14: Well, good evening, Peter.
39:08
Speaker 16: I think very low, very low to zero would be
39:11
Speaker 16: my guess on the basis that over two and a
39:14
Speaker 16: half years we've not seen Anthony Albinisi show any appetite
39:18
Speaker 16: for having difficult conversations with she Jimpin, And even if
39:23
Speaker 16: he does, it'll happen in private and we probably won't
39:26
Speaker 16: actually get to hear what the real conversation was about.
39:31
Speaker 14: At best.
39:31
Speaker 16: I think what might happen is to talk in very
39:34
Speaker 16: general terms about the need for peace and stability in
39:36
Speaker 16: the Endo Pacific rather than those occasions when Australian ships
39:40
Speaker 16: and aircraft came under attack. And it's worth very quickly, Peter,
39:45
Speaker 16: just reflecting that another lost opportunity here, because Anthony Alberzi
39:50
Speaker 16: could be saying to Shejimping, Hey, I'm just off to
39:53
Speaker 16: go and have a meeting with incoming President Donald Trump,
39:57
Speaker 16: which would do quite a lot to lift the stocks
39:59
Speaker 16: of Australia in terms of our relationship with China, but
40:02
Speaker 16: we've missed that opportunity as well. So I think it'll
40:06
Speaker 16: be more of the usual diplomatic niceties and most of
40:10
Speaker 16: it we won't ever hear about it all.
40:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me feel like the Prime Minister when
40:15
Speaker 2: he's on the stage, particularly with the Chinese President, is
40:18
Speaker 2: about as lame duck as Joe Biden is. Around the
40:21
Speaker 2: margins at these international meetings, we don't tend to want
40:24
Speaker 2: to ever send a tough message or have any heft
40:27
Speaker 2: around the table.
40:29
Speaker 3: We're chairing that talk fest.
40:30
Speaker 2: The gap fest over in Azerbaijan, getting a whole lot
40:33
Speaker 2: of money around to redistribute to poor countries, but when
40:36
Speaker 2: it matters we go missing.
40:37
Speaker 3: Hey, what's the latest out of Ukraine?
40:39
Speaker 2: Because we saw obviously over the last couple of days
40:41
Speaker 2: Russia has stepped up missile barrage, but there's been a
40:45
Speaker 2: shift in the weaponry the armaments being allowed.
40:49
Speaker 3: To be used by Ukraine. What can you tell us?
40:54
Speaker 16: So on the Russian front, literally we now see something
40:59
Speaker 16: like fifty troops massing around the Kursk region. That's the
41:02
Speaker 16: area that the Ukrainians staged an incursion into into Russian territory,
41:08
Speaker 16: and that includes the ten or eleven thousand North Koreans,
41:11
Speaker 16: which are now apparently getting ready to fight with the Russians.
41:16
Speaker 16: I think what's happening here, Peter, is the Russians are
41:18
Speaker 16: looking to have one significant pre winter offensive against an
41:24
Speaker 16: expectation that there's going to be talks that President Trump
41:28
Speaker 16: will require of both the Russians and the Ukrainians. On
41:32
Speaker 16: Joe Biden's announcement. Look, I think this is a positive
41:35
Speaker 16: thing to enable the Ukrainians to use American supplied missiles
41:40
Speaker 16: to hit Russian missile bases and Russian air bases from
41:44
Speaker 16: where they're staging their attacks into Ukraine. Not allowing the
41:47
Speaker 16: Ukrainians to do this has really limited their ability to
41:51
Speaker 16: fight this war.
41:52
Speaker 14: It just comes too late, Peter.
41:54
Speaker 16: And what I find really regretful for the Joe Biden's
41:58
Speaker 16: management of the US eighteen months of this is that
42:02
Speaker 16: everything has been too little, too late, and it's put
42:04
Speaker 16: the Ukrainians into a really dire situation at this particular point.
42:09
Speaker 16: So things are hanging very much, frankly in the balance
42:12
Speaker 16: in terms of the outcome of this conflict.
42:17
Speaker 2: Just a quick comment if I get you, Peter, on
42:19
Speaker 2: the new cabinet appointments. I know their presumptive appointments, but
42:23
Speaker 2: the appointments by Donald Trump in your area of expertise,
42:27
Speaker 2: national intelligence, defease.
42:29
Speaker 3: What do you make of them?
42:32
Speaker 11: So?
42:32
Speaker 16: I think probably the strongest positive is that there is
42:36
Speaker 16: a large, strong anti China hawk element, which I think
42:42
Speaker 16: is going to strengthen America's policy to push back against
42:47
Speaker 16: Chinese incursion. I think that's a good thing. There are
42:50
Speaker 16: some people with not much in the way of experience
42:53
Speaker 16: and a couple that don't look like they might even
42:56
Speaker 16: get past confirmation, even with the Republicans in control of
42:59
Speaker 16: the Senate. So it's a mixed bag. Trumps out to
43:03
Speaker 16: affect big change. That may be no bad thing, and
43:07
Speaker 16: I think you'll stay strong on China. That's good for
43:09
Speaker 16: Australia's interests.
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Speaker 3: Spot on, We'll watch with interest. Thank you, Petter Jennings.
43:15
Speaker 2: After the break the proposal to combat the closure of
43:19
Speaker 2: regional bank branches. I love this, And why on Earth
43:22
Speaker 2: comes super funds? Give us our money, or at least
43:25
Speaker 2: give it to our loved ones after we die. We'll
43:28
Speaker 2: get into that as well.
43:29
Speaker 8: After break.
43:32
Speaker 2: All right, lots of other issues around. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: my panel L ANDPMP, the wonderful Keith Pitt and senior
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Speaker 2: fellow the Men'sis Research Center columnists for The Australia Nick Kata, Well,
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Speaker 2: Jens welcome.
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Speaker 3: We'll start with his proposal.
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Speaker 2: A bank levy, a rural bank levy proposed by Treasury
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Speaker 2: to try and keep regional bank branches open carbon trading schemes.
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Speaker 3: The model we're told, Keith.
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Speaker 2: Pitt, big banks have to pay in a little banks
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Speaker 2: will use it to keep bricks and mortar in streets
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Speaker 2: and towns right across the country.
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Speaker 12: What do you think, oh Peter, if only there was
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Speaker 12: a government owned bank that would have done this as
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Speaker 12: a service provision for the people of Australia, particularly in
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Speaker 12: regional areas where it might not be cost competitive. But hey,
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Speaker 12: they're not around anymore. So I think that the challenge
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Speaker 12: here will be how do you ensure that such a
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Speaker 12: levy is fair and across the board, because ultimately, guess
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Speaker 12: who's going to pay it will be customers that pay
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Speaker 12: the bill, and it certainly won't come off the profits
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Speaker 12: of big banks, even though they're making billions of dollars.
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Speaker 12: So I want to see those services continued in regional Australia.
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Speaker 12: I've got a lot of people still use passbooks, Peter.
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Speaker 3: Spot On, and I did laugh.
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Speaker 2: You know the point about the government saying you've got
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Speaker 2: to get businesses to take cash, great, but tell me
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Speaker 2: where I can get cash because so many of the
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Speaker 2: banks don't have cash anymore. Hard to find an ATM
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Speaker 2: and if you're in the country, you might have to
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Speaker 2: drive a couple of hours to even find a bank.
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Speaker 2: So I think this is more important, to be honest
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Speaker 2: than the legislation on cash. What about that stuff the
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Speaker 2: other day, Nick Cata sebus in particular, But I think
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Speaker 2: as industry funds across the board making people wait over
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Speaker 2: a year plus the widows in particular to get the
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Speaker 2: life insurance claims paid out.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is our money. This is appalling.
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Speaker 2: We have all these royal commissions against the banks, fair enough,
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Speaker 2: but we know that all the industry super funds they
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Speaker 2: were carved out from being looked at by these commissions
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Speaker 2: of inquiry.
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Speaker 3: I think this is pretty outrageous.
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Speaker 1: I think you're scandalous, Peter. I mean the super fund
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Speaker 1: SeaBus in this case, they have an interest in hanging
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Speaker 1: on to your money as long as possible and dragging
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Speaker 1: out this process for as long as they can do so.
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Speaker 1: But you know, people paid into these insurance funds, so
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Speaker 1: paid into these superannuation schemes for money.
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Speaker 3: When they need it, it is their money.
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Speaker 1: It is not really long to super to see bus
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Speaker 1: or any of the super funds. They ought to be
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Speaker 1: able to get it right away when they need it,
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Speaker 1: because you know, it's all very well. The bank's sitting
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Speaker 1: on it and thinking, oh, you know, that's a little
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Speaker 1: bit more money and a little bit more interest in
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Speaker 1: our pockets. But this is real can introduce real hardship
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Speaker 1: for real people, and I think it just shows that
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Speaker 1: the superannuation funds by and large are not actually interested
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Speaker 1: in their customers.
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Speaker 2: The mining industry are worried that the Environmental Defender's Office
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Speaker 2: is going to double down and is looking to target
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Speaker 2: more projects. They're pretty happy that they successfully and effectively
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Speaker 2: blocked the one billion dollar blaming gold mine, and they're
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Speaker 2: looking for more targets.
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Speaker 12: Keith Peter, the Environmental Defenders Office, would you believe, funded
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Speaker 12: by the labor government, by the taxpayer federally, is always
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Speaker 12: looking for ways to stop projects. They're not about defending
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Speaker 12: the environment protecting the environment. They're about stopping resource projects.
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Speaker 12: Look at what they did for Barossa Offshore and that
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Speaker 12: is still ongoing with Santos. From what I can understand,
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Speaker 12: the Bloody guid Mine's a good example. They are looking
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Speaker 12: for any avenue whatsoever that will stop projects that deliver
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Speaker 12: literally thousands of jobs, put billions of dollars into the
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Speaker 12: Australian economy, and they just don't care. And the idea
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Speaker 12: that's funded by the taxpayer is a disgrace and they
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Speaker 12: should stop doing it as soon as possible.
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Speaker 2: I just asked Peter Jennings Nick Kata about Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: national security and defense appointments. I know you look into
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Speaker 2: this pretty closely. What did you think of his appointment
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Speaker 2: of a climate skeptic who supports fracking as his new
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Speaker 2: energy secretary, Chris writes his name.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of it?
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Speaker 1: Completely uncontroversial, Phili. The point is that this is the
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Speaker 1: man from an industry which has done more than any
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Speaker 1: other industry to reduce the price of energy, to make
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Speaker 1: energy cheaper, to make American industry more competitive, to produce
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Speaker 1: more jobs, to produce less hardship in people's pockets that
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Speaker 1: they pay their bills. This is the sort of person
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Speaker 1: we need looking after energy, not so somebody who's got
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Speaker 1: some being then bonnet about climate change and all that,
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Speaker 1: which is the sort of people who'd usually put in.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's a very good appointment. As to
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Speaker 1: his appointments more generally, well, you know he's there to
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Speaker 1: shake things up. People voted for Donald Trump to shake
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Speaker 1: things up. That's what he's done with his appointments. Is
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Speaker 1: a wonderful check and balance in the American system. As
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Speaker 1: you know that all these have to be confirmed. So
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Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump has, I guess, put up ambit
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Speaker 1: claims in a lot of cases, but I think in
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Speaker 1: the case of energy, he's on the right track.
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Speaker 2: I want to play you a grab from the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister yesterday with my colleague Andrew Clanal foxing about a
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Speaker 2: May election.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 9: We have a budget scheduled for March and the election
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Speaker 9: will be in May. The speculation may well, that's when
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Speaker 9: it's due. It could be beforehand, but that will be
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Speaker 9: a matter for me to make in conjunction with my
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Speaker 9: cabinet colleagues.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Keith, I'll go Hey, if it's made,
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Speaker 2: it's not going to be made.
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Speaker 3: He's just saying that that he's.
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Speaker 2: Got those weasel words. Well, that's when it's due. It
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Speaker 2: could be beforehand. It'll be beforehand.
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Speaker 12: Hi, He'll go when he can win, Peter, And we've
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Speaker 12: already seen what's happening in Wa.
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Speaker 14: They made that discussion public, which was a surprise.
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Speaker 12: But I mean this idea that we've got a budget scheduled, well,
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Speaker 12: they got changes to Hex's fee scheduled as well. They
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Speaker 12: could do that right now. And yet they want to say,
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Speaker 12: if we win the election, we'll give all these people
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Speaker 12: a while leape of money in terms of returns on
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Speaker 12: the Hex fees that they've paid.
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Speaker 14: The election will be no different Prime.
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Speaker 12: Ministers, as you go when they think they can win,
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Speaker 12: and not before.
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Speaker 3: They will do this dance.
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Speaker 2: They'll hope that you don't get all your candidates selected,
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Speaker 2: that you don't have enough money in the kick to
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Speaker 2: run against their union campaigns, and he'll go when he
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Speaker 2: thinks he can win. Absolutely, gents, I'll leave it there,
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, all right, Thanks for your
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Speaker 2: company as always, looking forward to company again tomorrow right
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Speaker 2: up next and your bolt m hm
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Speaker 3: Mm hm