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Terrell Owens Makes His NFL Predictions and Gets REAL About Colin Kaepernick, Jerry Rice and More · Get TO The Point

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Get to the Point. This is our very
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  Speaker 2: first show, first episode. Look, I'm your host, Terrell Owens.
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  Speaker 2: This is my guy, Chris Spencer. And we have lots
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  Speaker 2: to talk about. We got sports. We got pop culture.
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  Speaker 2: We talking a little politics.
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  Speaker 1: What else? Not much politics. Just a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever we talk about, we are going to get to
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  Speaker 3: the point. And we also want to remind you to share, like,
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  Speaker 1: Or wherever you get your podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: If you're on YouTube, put GTTP Podcast. Yeah. You see
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  Speaker 1: what I just did right there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're going to be doing. Yeah, yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: like that. You just got to the point. You're telling
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  Speaker 1: me you can play right now? Yeah, I can go
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, it's... It's a matter of just knowing what you're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do. Like, I have knowledge of the game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to play and give
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  Speaker 2: you like 75 snaps. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I've told people, like, they've asked me. They see
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  Speaker 1: the shape of me now.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, yo, can you go?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, third down, red zone situation. Yeah, but you ain't
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  Speaker 2: been tackled in a lot of years. I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: get tackled a lot when I played. That's the point
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  Speaker 2: of the game. It ain't like you trying to get tackled.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going out there to get tackled.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, welcome to Get to the Point. I'm Terrell Lawrence,
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  Speaker 2: and this is my guy, Chris Spencer. What up? Man,
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  Speaker 2: we have something special for you guys. Hey, we have
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  Speaker 2: the NFL preview special. This is going to be an
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  Speaker 2: awesome show.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Coming straight to you guys. This is our first one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Not the last one. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So pay attention.
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  Speaker 3: What's great is that I don't mean to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you get people kissing your butt all day.
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  Speaker 3: But for me to be here with a Hall of
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  Speaker 3: Famer to talk football is special.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Because a lot of times we see a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people talking football who ain't played no football.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they're experts.
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  Speaker 2: But it's great that I'm here with you. The entirety
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  Speaker 2: of the show is not going to be all football.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that everybody's been asking me, they've been
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  Speaker 2: telling me, yo, T, like, why aren't you on this network?
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  Speaker 2: Why aren't you on that network?
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  Speaker 1: Like.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, you're very knowledgeable. You have a lot to give
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  Speaker 2: to the game. Like, you're great on TV. You're handsome,
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  Speaker 2: all these good things.
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  Speaker 1: Who said you was handsome?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of people say I'm handsome. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they say I'm very marketable. You know, the thing that
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  Speaker 2: I always hear, man, you speak so well. You're articulate.
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  Speaker 1: Bro, I look good. I mean, have you not seen
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  Speaker 1: my shirt? Hold on.
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  Speaker 3: I never dreamed one day I'd be a sexy, bald guy,
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  Speaker 3: but here I am killing it.
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  Speaker 1: Killing it. That's actually my shirt. Up next, we're talking football.
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  Speaker 1: And we're not talking X's and O's. No.
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  Speaker 2: Because I know you.
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  Speaker 1: Can't run no routes. You can't catch no balls, paws.
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  Speaker 3: Ah!
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  Speaker 2: You can't catch and you can't run. But we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I can catch. I can't run. Yeah, yeah. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about what's going on in the league. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Some trending topics. Yes. Storylines that me and you are following. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Not only just me and you, but everybody else is following.
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  Speaker 2: And I know they want to get our take on it.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to get to the point. We're right
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  Speaker 2: here in Los Angeles, so you know the top story. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: The Rams. Los Angeles Rams. Can they get back to
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 2: Right. Matthew Stafford is going into his 88th season. He
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  Speaker 2: might be the best quarterback in the league. Ooh, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about that one.
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  Speaker 1: No? I don't know about that. He's the best QB
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  Speaker 1: in LA.
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  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert? I mean, he's the only one that has
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  Speaker 2: a championship, right? Yeah, so I'll have to go with
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  Speaker 2: you on that one. Okay, good. But with the addition
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  Speaker 2: of Aaron Donald coming back. I can see, honestly, they
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  Speaker 2: have a blueprint, a model of what they could be.
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  Speaker 2: When you go back to the year that the Ravens
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  Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl and they had Trent Dilfer as
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback, I think Matthew Stafford's tidbit better than Trent Dilfer.
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  Speaker 2: But when you think about the defensive side of the ball,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if the defensive side of the ball
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  Speaker 2: can duplicate what the Ravens did.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they got Myles Garrett, too.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. Like I said, with the
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  Speaker 2: addition that they have, I don't know by position they
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  Speaker 2: can match up, but when you add those two, put
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  Speaker 2: those two at the forefront, oh, bro.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to go back to kind of what
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  Speaker 1: I was saying earlier because, you know, you're in shape.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right?
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  Speaker 1: And there's look exterior. Yeah, there's exterior shape. I saw
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald not too long ago. Right. In shape.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even know he was thinking about coming back.
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  Speaker 3: He was out with my boy Boss. We was at
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  Speaker 3: this restaurant called Gravitas, and I saw Aaron.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yo. And I jokingly said, you could
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  Speaker 1: probably still play. And he snickered. And now I see
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  Speaker 1: what that little snicker was. He's coming back. He's back.
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  Speaker 1: He's back.
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  Speaker 3: He's back.
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  Speaker 1: Question. He's 36.
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  Speaker 2: 36, 37.
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  Speaker 1: That's not out of the.
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  Speaker 2: That's not out of the realm of possibility for somebody.
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  Speaker 2: For that position, though?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bro, he was a monster when he left. I know.
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  Speaker 1: You have 40-year-old quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing, what he's done, he's preserved his body
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  Speaker 2: for two years. That's two years that he hasn't really
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  Speaker 2: had to take a lot of beating. He's taking care
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  Speaker 2: of himself. His body has healed a lot. He's been
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  Speaker 2: working out. That's not any question. But if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the exterior, there's two types of shape. There's looking
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  Speaker 2: physically in shape, and then there's game shape, cardiovascular in shape.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he possesses both of those. So that's
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  Speaker 2: why I don't see that this is going to be
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  Speaker 2: a problem for him. A lot of what he does,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to have a lot of help with Myles
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  Speaker 2: Garrett on the end, bro. So defense and offense is
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  Speaker 2: going to have a problem because they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: know who the double team, who not the double team.
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  Speaker 2: They may break some sack records this year as a team,
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  Speaker 2: no doubt. And the thing is, you may see some
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  Speaker 2: emergence of some other guys being able to benefit because
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  Speaker 2: Myles Garrett is going to be double-teamed.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald is going to be double-teamed.
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  Speaker 2: So whomever those other two or three guys on the–
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  Speaker 2: they probably like– they're loving it. If I'm a guy
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  Speaker 2: that's not Aaron Donald or named Myles Garrett, I'm licking
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  Speaker 2: my chops. because these are going to present opportunities for
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  Speaker 2: those guys to make plays, especially linebackers and even in
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  Speaker 2: the secondary. You've got to think about it. If they're
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  Speaker 2: putting pressure on the quarterback, then the balls are going
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  Speaker 2: to be coming out early. Defensive back, the safeties, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be looking for picks, PBUs, all those things.
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  Speaker 3: Another person that's back is Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, yeah. Is
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  Speaker 3: it too early for him to be coming back? Now,
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  Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't be asking you, because your ass, according
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  Speaker 3: to your doctor, you weren't supposed to come back, but
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  Speaker 3: then you came back and had probably one of the
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  Speaker 3: greatest games in Super Bowl history.
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes, he's a special player. I don't know if he's T.O.
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  Speaker 1: Special.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to like, you know, just- Yours is ankle. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I tore all the ligaments in my ankle. And
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  Speaker 2: his is ACL and LCL. Yeah, different injury. But the
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  Speaker 2: process of really just the mental process of getting back
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  Speaker 2: on the field kind of like before you need to,
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  Speaker 2: that's a beast in itself. Obviously, like I said, I
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  Speaker 2: had two screws and a plate in my ankle. I
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  Speaker 2: had a broken leg going into the Super Bowl. Ideally,
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  Speaker 2: six and a half, seven weeks is- what it took
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  Speaker 2: me to rehab and get back.
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  Speaker 1: He's had longer than that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had longer than that. But it's a different injury,
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  Speaker 2: like you said.
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  Speaker 1: Right, a different injury.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of what he has to do is obviously
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  Speaker 2: a lot of weight distribution, like I said, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Planning on it, avoiding tacklers. That's going to be tough
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  Speaker 1: as a quarterback because he's constantly.
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  Speaker 2: But I think him being smart, again, it's been, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how many months, it's almost, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it's been at least 10 months, I would say. right
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  Speaker 2: um and for him he's smart he knows and then
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  Speaker 2: i think the play calling the way that they call
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  Speaker 2: plays um getting the ball out of his hands that's
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  Speaker 2: going to preserve him uh as well the offensive line
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  Speaker 2: the protection that's going to be very key into how
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  Speaker 2: successful he is and then again like i said it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like too early to tell these first few
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  Speaker 2: games um again like i said and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: pressure is going to be on those offensive linemen because
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  Speaker 2: they know if they're blocking and Mahomes out there running
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  Speaker 2: for his life and putting his injury back into harm's way,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be on the block. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: be out here doing a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to have them on the show.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to be on the show with us if
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  Speaker 2: they keep that up.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Got himself a little coach.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think dude is– Because they've put him up
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  Speaker 3: there for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Like, he is that guy. What do you mean? Like,
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  Speaker 1: the way they talk about him is like he should
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  Speaker 1: have won 26 Super Bowls by now.
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  Speaker 2: Not only just him, Justin Herbert as well. So what
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  Speaker 2: are you asking? What are you saying about him?
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  Speaker 1: Is he overrated?
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  Speaker 2: Ooh. man, you put me on the spot. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't want my Bills mafia to get mad at me. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's right.
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  Speaker 1: You played for the Bills. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had
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  Speaker 1: a short stand. I love the Buffalo Bills.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so you're asking me, I did, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: in a grand scheme of things, from a fan perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they got a new coach. New coach.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and what's great about the new coach is that
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  Speaker 3: he was a quarterback coach. He was the offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 3: And so, and I think, like, they got a... You've
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  Speaker 3: got to come in and learn some new stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That bodes well for an offensive guy, especially like even
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  Speaker 2: if I'm on the Buffalo Bills right now and I'm
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  Speaker 2: a receiver and I've got an offensive-minded coach.
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  Speaker 1: That you know already.
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  Speaker 2: Right, exactly. That bodes well. There's a lot of familiarity,
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  Speaker 2: especially offensive side of the ball, especially quarterback. You obviously
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  Speaker 2: want to air the.
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  Speaker 1: Ball out a lot.
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  Speaker 2: But in order to air it out, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: have the receivers to catch it. You've got to have
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  Speaker 2: the pieces to be able to.
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  Speaker 1: Be on the back end of those passes.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, to your point, do I feel like
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  Speaker 2: he's overrated from a standpoint of like, yeah, because he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't won a Super Bowl. There's always going to be
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  Speaker 2: those expectations. That's kind of always unfair, right? The expectations
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  Speaker 2: of Josh Allen are the expectations of the Dallas Cowboys.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: They want to win. They expect them to win every year.
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  Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you something.
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  Speaker 3: Is it okay for him just to make it to
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  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl? Because Buffalo is known for going to
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowls. They're just not known for winning Super Bowls.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's for.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and I think now, the way you phrase it,
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  Speaker 2: the way you put it that way, it's almost like,
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  Speaker 2: is the window closing for Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills?
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  Speaker 2: I think last year especially, Prior to last year, the
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  Speaker 2: Achilles heels have been the Kansas City Chiefs. The Patrick
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs.
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  Speaker 1: Then that was the year he should have won when
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't there. Right.
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  Speaker 2: He was not even in the fold. Like, he got
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  Speaker 2: out of the playoffs. I think last year was the
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  Speaker 2: best possible year for.
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  Speaker 1: Them to win it. They did not.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, like I said, you got a new offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 2: new head coach. It's always... it's always new. You're not
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  Speaker 2: expected to win it. So I don't know if this
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  Speaker 2: is the year and I don't know if they have
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  Speaker 2: enough pieces. But yeah, to your point, is he overrated?
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  Speaker 2: Not just him. Justin Herbert is overrated as well. When
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  Speaker 2: you think of just young quarterbacks and even Joe Burrows.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Burrows, you can put him in that fold too
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  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of expectations for him as a quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: He got to the Super Bowl, I think, in his
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  Speaker 2: I think, was it his second or third year? Actually
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  Speaker 2: played the Rams. Haven't heard from Joe Burrow since either.
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  Speaker 3: All right, while we're on the topic of quarterbacks, let's
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  Speaker 3: talk about this next generation, this new generation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, there's a lot of new. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: black ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of young black quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about Caleb Fingernails Williams? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams.
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  Speaker 2: And what are the other ones? Can we name them?
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. Yeah, Caleb. Jaden Daniels.
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  Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. Giants. Cam Ward. Titans, and then, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Drake May, Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: Who do you think is, of them, who do you
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  Speaker 3: think is next in possibly being the new face of
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  Speaker 3: the NFL?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's always going to be the typical quarterback
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  Speaker 2: that they want to put in there. What does that mean, typical?
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  Speaker 2: You know, you got to have your typical white quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: face of the league. I mean, I don't know, that
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  Speaker 2: would probably be either Drake May or Jackson Dart. Jackson Arsley,
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  Speaker 2: he's a little sketchy with the Giants. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of off-the-field stuff that's been going on with him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he seems like he's a Trump supporter. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how that's going to rub a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people the wrong way, and then it may not. Caleb Williams,
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  Speaker 2: you said Fingernail Williams. It reminds me of Dennis Rodman,
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  Speaker 2: like a bad boy kind of guy. Jayden Daniels, too
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  Speaker 2: early to tell, really. I think he made a splash
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  Speaker 2: as rookie and then he got hurt last year. It's
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  Speaker 2: almost like that sophomore jinx in a sense. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think he has to rebound off his
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  Speaker 2: rookie year. And then Cam Ward, I mean, it was
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  Speaker 2: just a rough year. I mean, when you don't have
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  Speaker 2: an offensive line and you're asked to do a lot
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  Speaker 2: and you don't have a lot of weapons. And I
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  Speaker 2: can't imagine what that's like to be a young quarterback
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  Speaker 2: and you come from a winning program and you have
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  Speaker 2: number one pick or top draft pick. And you look to,
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  Speaker 2: to really change the, change the trajectory of a, of a,
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  Speaker 2: of an organization. That's tough.
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  Speaker 1: And then to go through. It's a lot of pressure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just the ups and downs. I don't know if it's pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I think he can handle it. He's, he's a
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  Speaker 2: Florida guy. I mean, he can handle the pressure, but
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  Speaker 2: I think when you're used to winning and you put
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  Speaker 2: in a situation and you're not, not having the pieces
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  Speaker 2: around you to produce wins.
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  Speaker 1: Cause the thing is not like guys are not going
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  Speaker 1: to work hard.
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  Speaker 2: That's, that's, I mean, with every team just going, just
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  Speaker 2: thinking about the teams that I played with, we practiced hard.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody did what they had to do in the offseason, hopefully,
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  Speaker 2: to better themselves, to put themselves to help either the
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  Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball, defensive side of the ball,
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  Speaker 2: whatever position you play. But again, if it's not all
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  Speaker 2: coming together, then it's tough. And you're looking for one
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  Speaker 2: person to tip the scale. And the quarterback, him personally,
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  Speaker 2: He's going to take the brunt of whatever it may be,
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  Speaker 2: how the season unfolds, whether you win or lose, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be.
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  Speaker 1: On his shoulders. And it's kind of unfair, right? Because, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to run hard. It's unfair, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: you signed up for. I'm just saying, you work hard,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, but you still have to have that personnel. Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I mean, it's just like
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  Speaker 2: you and I. I mean, you couldn't do what you
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  Speaker 2: do without me.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: I couldn't. You know what I mean? Listen, and I'm
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: so glad. And I couldn't do what I do without you.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: That's why we're here. Get to the point with us two.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: And it ain't Earthquake and Randy Moss. Right.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly. You know what I mean?
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of chemistry and continuity.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Yes. Camaraderie that has to be had.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: And then, like I said, how you, honestly, like I said,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that factor into, like, teams
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: really winning. And you hear that formula about really like
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: not only just being good teammates on the field, but
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: off the field as well. It's not like you got
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: to do any and everything, but they got to have.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Some, some, some, some continuous and some chemistry with each other.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is your favorite team or
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: least favorite team, but you're associated with this team in, in,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: in several capacities.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: You got your little helmet up there.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Them's your little friends.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: In front of me. Yeah, yeah. What about the Cowboys?
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Here we are again, the beginning of the season, and
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: this is our year.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: That press conference. America's team. Yeah. Are they legitimate contenders
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: this year?
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: No.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Why would they? Just because they're the Dallas Cowboys and
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: everybody always says it. I mean, ESPN always run this
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: thing about they always have the Dallas Cowboys.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: In their rundown.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Listen, they start off always very well.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not how you start, it's how you finish.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: So what do you think happens? Obviously, injuries plays a
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: big part in it.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: And then again, at certain positions, when it comes to
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: the playoff, they just don't have those players at that
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: position to really just, like I said, tip the scale.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: They need playmakers. I think offensively, they've shored up. When
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: you think about CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens. Pickens is, to
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: me personally, I think he's a better receiver than CeeDee Lamb.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: That's me personally. I think his catch radius is better
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: than CeeDee Lamb's. They obviously do a lot of things great,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: but when you think about what George Pickens can do,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: look at what he did in Pittsburgh. I knew that
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: he was going to come in and be a great
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: viable option for Dak. That's why he got paid the
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: money that he got paid. He put up the numbers.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of things he probably need
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: to shore up with his route running, things of that nature.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: But when you put that ball up anywhere in his vicinity,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: his catch rate, he's going to come down with it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I've heard this. Is the Dallas Cowboys problem a Jerry Jones?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a management problem. And I think when you
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: start from the top, it trickles all the way down.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: And then, again, you can have all the talent in
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: the world, but if it's not managed the right way,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: if it's not delegated the right way, then– things are
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: going to fall through the cracks at some point. And
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that's why there's always this expectation. And people have been
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: saying it for years. It's funny, but Jerry is not
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: all about winning. He's all about winning the bottom line,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: and that's revenue. As long as he's generating money, he
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: has all these fans, he has them duped. Because every
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: year he sells them. Jerry's a great salesman.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. You saw the documentary?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: No, I don't have any desire to. I don't even
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: know why they call it the Dallas Cowboys documentary.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: It should have been the Jerry Jones documentary.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: He's a great salesman. He's done great PR for that organization.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Why do you think every year that the Dallas Cowboys
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: fans think that they're going to win it? Every year
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: since I before and when I was there and since
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I left, they have had this expectation that they're going
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl every year. The three years
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: that I was there, I would say at least one
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: or two of those years, we should have gone to
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I would have to say the ball was in Tony
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Romo's hands two of those years.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And he fumbled. Look, I'm just telling you, that's what happened.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Why are they considered America's team? Who gave them that name?
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's a great PR. It's incredible.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. I mean, they've been.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Known to be that ever since I've been in the league.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Before I leave, I didn't really watch a lot of
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: football prior to playing pro football. But, I mean, once
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I got into the league, you start to hear the stories.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: You hear, you know, when they were at Dallas Stadium,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: when they had the hole in the stadium that God
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: looked down. The reason the hole was in the stadium
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: was so God could look down on America's team. You know, so, again,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: all these things. They got the star on the side
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: of the helmet. It's just so much nostalgia behind it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: What are the fans like in Dallas?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're passionate. Oh, they're diehard. I think, again, that's why,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're an American team because they have so
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: many fans. They have a huge Hispanic fan base.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Huge.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Everywhere that we went on the road, I mean, you
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: would think we're at home. That's how many Cowboy fans
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: there were.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And how would the, like, when you guys would lose,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, how would they react
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: when you would lose? I don't know if they have
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: a Ralph's, but you'd be at the grocery store. Well,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I wasn't going to. I was going straight home. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to any grocery stores after games. There he
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: is right there.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: You dropped that ball. You should have caught that ball. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, man.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: It's not your fault.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like I said, I remember my first year.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: In Dallas? In Dallas. And then driving up to the stadium.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I need pictures. What kind of cards you have?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I had the limited edition Range Rover. It was like
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a sunburst orange Range Rover. It was like a limited edition.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I've never seen that color.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It was dope.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: It was dope. It was nice.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: But everybody knew that was me.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: It was like, it was only a few of them
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that I had like one of them.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So obviously just drive up to the stadium, like bro,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: like game day, it's just, it's like no other, man.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: It's like really driving up, especially I was like one
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: of the top guys on the team.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you get out of the car and like,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: you feel like a rock star, bro. Like literally, I mean,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you feel like on cloud nine, you ready to run routes.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: You ready to run routes, bro. You're not even dressed yet. Right,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you ready to run routes as soon.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: As you step out of the car. But honestly, the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: fans are phenomenal. The best fans that I think between,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: everybody was asking me, what's the best fan base?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I would have to say between Philly and Dallas, but Philly, Dallas.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: They know if you're losing Philly, you ain't going out.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, boy.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Even if it's an ugly win, you can win and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it's ugly. They're still upset because of the expectations. But, yeah,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, you know, both fan bases are really great.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: You got to give me one good locker room story.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Give me one strip club story. Give me some kind
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: of cowgirl story.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: No, that's the thing.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: It's like I heard all the stories, like, you know,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: The White House about, you know, Michael Irvin and the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: White House, like being at practice, like when everybody would
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: have those stories about it. And then literally you could
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: like where our facility was at that point in time
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: was in Irvin, Texas. Like you see some trees and
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: then like through the tree, like you would see the roof.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: You could see the roof of the White House, like right.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Like that's what was going. It was going down at
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the White House building. basically around the corner. They talked
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: about it in the doc. Yeah, so I don't really
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: have any of those stories. I was so focused on
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: really trying to just be the best receiver that I
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: could be. I knew that there were so many great
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: receivers that came through that locker room, obviously named Michael Irvin,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Drew Pearson, all these receiver legends or what have you.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: So you wanted to make sure. Yeah, I just wanted
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to be on point.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Because I came there from Philly. You know what I mean?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: There was a rivalry between the Philly Eagles and the Cowboys.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: So when I was with the Eagles and I came, bro,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I put in work.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I gave them the business.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So then it's like, you know, they remember me, obviously,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a few years prior to me being in San Francisco,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: standing on the star.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: So I used to torch them, and then I come out.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: they knew what I did against them. So to be
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: added to the team, they knew what time it was.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: So it was all, it was.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: All love when I was, Oh, that's good. But when
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I was, when I wasn't, Oh, they gave me, Oh,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: they gave me an earful. But I mean, I just
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: tried to have fun with the game. Like obviously with my,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: my touchdown celebrations, um, Yeah, you had.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: The funniest and funnest dances. Man, I mean, I did.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Did you know what you were going to do? If
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I score, I'm a cabbage patch. If I do this,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going to run.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some were premeditated, and then some, sometimes I didn't
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: really think about it that week, but then maybe some
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: hours or the day of before the game or I'm
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: driving to the stadium, I would think about, depending on
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: what was going on, I would think about something that
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I would do. And I was so in tune with
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: our game plan that, Like, I knew there were games
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: that I knew I was going to score one or
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: two touchdowns or three touchdowns. Like, I would tell my friends, like, yo,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I should have scored, like, two touchdowns this game.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: At least two. Like, that should be, like, three, four.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: But I knew going into the game, like, how many
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: touchdowns I would score. I think that's, honestly, that's why
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I was, like, when I finished and I was Hall
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: of Fame, I was, like, second, third, fourth, whatever it
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: was on the touchdown list because I knew I was
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: so in tune with the game plan. And then, like
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I said, I just wanted to I wanted to spend,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: everybody compared me, not really compared me. They was like, oh,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I could be the next Jerry Rice. But I knew
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I couldn't be him. But then, like I said, I
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: started scoring touchdowns and then I started celebrating. All because
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: of my mom in high school. She didn't really know
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: what I was doing. She never knew what number I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: was or whatever. So that was the premise around me
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of the touchdowns at the celebration. Because
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I knew playing in a prime market like San Francisco,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I knew it was going to be on TV. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: knew that the camera was going to be on me.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: So I scored and then I celebrated. So the popcorn
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: thing was probably the most impromptu thing that I did
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: when I.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Scored the touchdown. No, the cheerleaders had to be.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: That was in San Fran, but when I was in Dallas,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: that was probably the most impromptu thing that I did
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: because when I scored the touchdown, And I saw the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: fans back there and I saw the guy with the glasses.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: He had a thing of popcorn and I just grabbed
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: it and then I just put it in my face.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And then that became like an iconic photo or what
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: have you.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: But, man, I just tried to have fun with the game.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Let's go back. You said you knew you couldn't be
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Jerry Rice. How could you say that? I couldn't.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Not at that stage of my career early on. What
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: was it about him? Our route running, my route running
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: was terrible. There was a lot of things, the knowledge
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of the game. I didn't really understand and know how
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to really read defenses. Coming from a small school, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that's no knock to them. It was just like I
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: didn't really put a lot of emphasis on really like studying.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: You were winning on your athletic ability. Right.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I was about to say that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And your size.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just being athletic and just playing off
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: my athleticism. Yeah, you know the staple. Coverage is like
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: cover one cover two, right? But then when defense defensive
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: coordinator started like double teaming me and started creating all
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: these exotic Coverage, especially when I was in San Fran,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you know, you got cover 44 cover 66 all these
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: things I had no idea but I had to stay
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: after practice because it became confusing then you have to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: understand hot reads and you know all these different Blitzes
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and knowing when people are blitzing rolling the coverages, bro.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: It was a overwhelming and so I knew that in
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: order for me to be able to play well then
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I had to know what I was doing because if
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I'm out there half-assed and I'm just I'm thinking and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know I know 50 or 60 percent of
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to do going to the line of
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: scrimmage I'm not going to know it when the ball
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: snaps so I'm going to be out there running thinking
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out like what am I supposed to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: do am I reading what is the safety doing what
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: is the corner doing what is the linebackers doing so
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I had to really just hone down on my skill
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: set and like y'all really learn this because if I
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: knew exactly what I'm doing. And then I put myself,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: my body in position from a nutrition standpoint, just rep standpoint,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: just learning how to run routes. Bro, it was lights out.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: It was game over. So I knew then I couldn't
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: be Jerry Rice. We had two different body types. Jerry's slender, finesse.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: He's not the physical body that I have or whatever.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: So I use those things to my advantage when needed.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Jerry was just, bro, he was just a technician. Like,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, however you drew it on the paper, he
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: would run it just like that. I mean, what have
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: you lost? Like, bro, I saw him have DBs lost,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: turned around. He's this way. The defender's the total opposite way, bro.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yo, how does he do this? And
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: so I watched JJ.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Too, who was top. You know we went to school together.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: JJ Stokes?
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And obviously he went to UCLA.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so he was their draft pick and number
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: one draft pick in like 95 the year before I
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: came out. So they was looking at him to become,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: be the next Jerry Rice. Right.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So I come in. He had great skills. He had
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the height. Oh my God. Right.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: So for him to, me to watch him, his height,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: drop his weight, transition out.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Best to learn from. Yes.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So I would have been a fool not to take
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: advantage of that. And I obviously, I had two great
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: coaches and Larry Kirksey, who coached, Brent Jones, like the receiver,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: like Brent Jones, the tight end, but Jerry Rice, John Taylor,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Mike Sherrard. These are some like the top.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Another Bruin. That's what I'm saying.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So all these are like really good receivers, 49er receivers.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And then obviously you add JJ in the fold. Like,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: so I had obviously JJ and Jerry to learn from.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And I watched so much film. to become the receiver
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: that I became. So that's why I said like, yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that I could be who he was.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And I couldn't. So I had to put that in
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: my head. Like, you can't be him, but I can
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: be a version of him. And so here T.O. came
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: into the fold.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you a funny Mike Sherrard story?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think Mike Sherrard, call me and tell
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, but he got clocked and timed
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: at like a 4-2 or something that wasn't him.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I said, how'd you do that? He said, I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: this is his story. He said, when he wasn't looking,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: he scooted up a little bit. No way. Scoot up
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit. He was a little bit further.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: He ran a 4'2, 37-yard dash.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Now they have people at the line.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: That's probably why they have guys at the line.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: He ran a 37-yard dash. Great receiver. That's crazy. Let's
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: talk about some of these receivers today. Yeah. Top receivers.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Is there somebody that's T.O.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Like a Jamar Chase? You like him? Who else? Give
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: me some names. Okay, so Jackson Smith and Jigba.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Amon Ross, St. Brown. Okay, we had him on the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: podcast before. There's some crazy names. Puka. Puka, Nakua, the Rams.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: So what do you think about them guys?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: None of those guys, I would say, fit the mold
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: of being, I would say, a T.O.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: You know who T.O.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Is, right?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I kind of know that guy. I've
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: heard of him. I know the initials, T.O. I've heard him.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Keep talking. I'm going to tell you something.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: But let me say, I mean, of all the guys
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I think people have asked me, like, who reminds me
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of me, what receivers, one doesn't even play. But I
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: think when you look at the two current guys that
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: are playing now, I would have to say, build-wise, it
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: would be D.K. Metcalf and A.J.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Brown.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Obviously, D.K. Metcalf, like I said, I think he's still trending.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: He's huge.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Huge.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: He's never that big, right?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: No, not that big. They're like in a two, I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: think 240 range, 235, 240 range. I weighed no more
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: than 222. Not one, like every time I got on
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the scale, it was crazy. Any day of the week
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: during the course of the season, and we, well, the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles, they had.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Like a weigh-in.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I got on the scale, literally, it could be like
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: a Monday of week two, a Thursday on week 12,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and I got on the scale, I was 222.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I put it in chat with GPT.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: What is chat GPT? They said no one. Well, there
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you have it. They said no one.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I am, I mean, I know people say this, throw
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: this in at one of one, I am one of one.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: You've said it in some other segments.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I'm just different. I was a bit different. I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't have the catch radius as some of these guys.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I would even agree that I didn't have probably the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: consistency of hands.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: But when I did get my hands on the ball, oh,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: it was trouble.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I was a lot to deal with.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: And what's funny is... Your 40 time wasn't like fast.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: It wasn't blazing. I got faster as I- You had
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: game time speed.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's 40 speed and then there's game time speed.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And I try to tell people and people are like, oh,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I can run. It's even like my son. My son
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: is faster than I am. And sometimes you get enamored.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Faster than you are now? Or you think he's faster
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: than you were at his age? Oh, yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his age.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Like that? Yeah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, for sure. No, no, for sure. I've raced him.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: He got some jets. But I try to tell him like, yo,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: it's not just speed. That's part of the game. If
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that's the case, it'll be a lot of track players
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: playing football. Those guys are blazing. But there's a lot
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that goes into playing football other than speed. You know
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: what I mean? It's route running. It's obviously knowledge of
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the game. It's experience. All these things that you possess,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: especially as a receiver, your catch radius, contested catches, all
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: those things, like I said, that makes you an elite receiver.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: You need all those things. You got to be something
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: unique and canny about you to at least have you
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: on the field in the rotation.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: There's some great cats playing wide receiver right now. Oh, man.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of young guys. Yes. Justin Jefferson. Yep.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase. Jackson Smith. Njugba. Njugba, yeah. Hope
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I said your name right. Puka Nakua.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Man, I mean, obviously me playing receiver for the years
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that I did, obviously I I see highlights.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I see the snippets. I know what these guys are doing.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Who out there you like?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Production-wise, I mean, out of all those guys, Puka. Puka's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: putting up numbers. And I think, obviously, you saw last year,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: injuries start to kind of play a part in him
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: not being on the field. And that's important. I think
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the best ability is availability. That's a T-shirt. especially going
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: into the playoffs. I mean, that's not the first time
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I've said it or anybody else has said it, but
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just the nature of the game.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And I think when you, especially going.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: To the latter parts of the season, you're going to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: hear a lot of teams and a lot of reporters,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: media talk about like the war of attrition. It's like,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: who's the healthiest at the end of the year? Those
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: are the teams that are going to be primed and
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: poised and ready to win the Super Bowl. And I mean,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Even we talked about the Los Angeles Rams with Miles
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Garrett and Aaron Donald, like, holding it down. Like, on paper,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: it looks good. But will they be healthy enough? Will
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: they be on the roster? Will they be able to
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: be able to put themselves and be on the field
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: at the end of the year?
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: So, yo, this is our NFL preview shows, and we
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: got games coming up next week. T.O., I want to
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: know some of your predictions.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Okay.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I like this. I like this. I like this. You're
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: in my territory now.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: There we go. What we got? What we got? All right. Wednesday,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: September 9th, we got the Patriots and the Seahawks. Patriots, Seahawks.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, we hopefully the Seahawks don't have like a Super
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Bowl hangover.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with Seahawks on this one. Obviously,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you got the Patriots got they got. The guy that
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: they said resembles me a little bit, A.J. Brown, Drake May.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Last year, injury. He didn't finish the season. A fluke injury.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: The game before, I think, the Super Bowl. Was it
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the playoff, right? The game right before the Super Bowl
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: or whatever? They played with a backup quarter, basically. But
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I think if they would have had Drake May, they
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: would have had a shot to win it. But, yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the Seahawks on this one.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: All right. September 10th? We got the 49ers and the Rams. 49ers, Rams.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go Rams on this one. 49ers, they've
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: had a lot of problems in offseason. I mean, they've
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: had a lot of media coverage, all for the wrong reasons.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: So you're not one of those people who pick a
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: team that you're from the city or you played for
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: the team?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Nah, I don't do that.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I look at it and I evaluate wins and losses
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: based on from a player perspective, knowing you know, what
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: goes into the week of preparation. My point of view
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: as far as like who's on the team, what's available,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: like what they've done, what they can do.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Sometimes momentum.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not like a lot of these women out here
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that are, you know, they're out here picking teams because
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: of colors.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they got cheerleaders that are, you know, got nice
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: uniforms and stuff like that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: No.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: And then there's a lot of friends that I have
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: that are fanatics.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: They bet. No matter what.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: And they choose teams based on loyalty.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And like, if that's the case, I mean, I could
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: do that too, but I'm a realist about really kind
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of like momentum and really kind of like the matchups.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And then I got to watch a few games.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I got to at least see what they're doing before
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: I actually like, okay, know for sure that this team
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is going to win. A lot of things factor into it. Like, obviously,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: everybody's going to be healthy at the beginning of the year.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: But it relates to like from the beginning of the season,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going with like, Just banking all guys are healthy,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: going into what they did last year. And then, like
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I said, what kind of moves they made during the offseason.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: And Rams, obviously, they made some huge moves offseason. Then,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Aaron Donald coming back to show
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: up that defense. Let me tell you something. A lot
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of those offensive linemen, they did not want to see that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: And then, again, sometimes location plays a big part in it, too.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: They're playing, I think, in Australia. So sometimes travel. It's
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: like what team travels the longest? You know what I mean?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: All those things.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Jet lag. It would be who of those guys would be,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: you know, hydrate because, you know, dehydration happens, especially long flights.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Make sure they're hydrating and then getting a lot of rest.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: But I think, you know, Aaron Donald is going to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: be fired up because everybody, the whole team, Los Angeles
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: fan base is going to be fired up that he's
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: coming back. But I think that's equivalent to like me
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: coming back for the Super Bowl. Like, you know, Michael
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Jordan coming back.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Willis Reed. Yeah, like, you know what I mean? It's
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: going to charge up the fan base. Yeah, it's going
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: to charge. And then I'm telling you.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: And then I don't know what the odds are with the,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: you know, these betting gambling sites.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it went up when he got, you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: when he got added back.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: To the roster. So, yeah. Okay. The 13th, we got
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the Texans. And the Bills.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go Bills. I'm going to go Bills.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: C.J.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Stroud, I mean, he's been up and down. I just
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: haven't seen a lot of consistency in his play.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And I love C.J.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I know him personally. I live in Houston, too, so
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I know that fan base. And I think they would
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: agree with my sentiment. Like, yo, there hasn't been enough
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: consistency with him. And then he's had a lot of
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: injuries with his receiver, tank. So, yeah, I got to
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: see how it unfolds. But As far as the pick is,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going with the Buffalo Bills. I mean, they have
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: a lot to prove this year. And, yeah, especially Josh Allen.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: And that second game Sunday is going to be Giants. Okay,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: they got OBJ back.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: They got Jackson.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: And the Cowboys.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Jackson, Trump, Dart. Yeah.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the– I'm going to go– ooh.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go Cowboys with this one.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. I think they're going to come out.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Guns blazing. I think they shored up. They got the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: contractual stuff in the rearview mirror. Everybody's got their money.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: They're paid.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Again, CeeDee Lamb, obviously, he didn't really finish the year
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like he wanted to.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: He had some injuries. Obviously, Piggins got paid, so he's
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: ready to go. Dak already got paid like all the
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: stuff that he had going on that's in the back
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: He got a prenup, you know, all that stuff.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: He's in the rearview mirror, all those things.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: So I think they're strictly focused on football. But, of course,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: every week any pick that comes up against a Cowboy,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: they'll be 17-0 if you ask any Cowboy fans.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Of course. But I'm going to give them 1-0.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go 1-0 Cowboys this week. Pick of
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the week is the– what is it? Pick of the
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: week is– Monday.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Night Football game. It's going to be Broncos versus the Chiefs. Okay, yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Monday Night Football, everybody's watching. Man, everybody's watching Monday Night Football.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Because they want to see Mahomes. What he can do
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: after this injury, right? Stevie Wonder's watching Monday Night Football.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: So, this is going to be a showdown. Chiefs, Broncos.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tip the scale. I'm going to go
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Chiefs on this one. Why is that? Number one, I– Experience,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: they're Super Bowl champions. They know how to win. They
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: have the ingredients, the nucleus of players to win. They
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: got Patrick Mahomes. Even though he's coming off that injury,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I think he's at a percent to where I know
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: with the game plan, they're going to try to strike early,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: get the run game going, and they're going to get
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: that ball out of his hand. They want to keep
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: him healthy, want to keep him upright. So they're going
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: to have some plays dialed up to where they can
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: get that ball out of his hand.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Obviously, Travis Kelsey, he's married.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: He's married now.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: There's no pressure, no stress, none of that. Or there's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: more pressure and more stress. No, I don't know. I
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I mean, I'm sure he's consummated that marriage.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, you know, the Swifties are going to be
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: in full effect, as they all have been the last
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: few years that she's been with the Chiefs and Travis. So, yeah,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: like I said— Those are my reasons why. What was
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: she doing at the Knicks championship? Anyway.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, we've been talking a lot of football, but,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot that comes with football.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Not just games, right? There's a lot of good. Especially
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: this week. Yeah, there's some good, bad, and ugly. Yes.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, we— Let's talk about your former team, 49ers. Boy,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: you read my mind.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: We got to talk about— I mean, they've had— A lot
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: going on this offseason for all the wrong reasons.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Jed York.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Not even just Jed. Kyle Shanahan, he had a wreck.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: They tried to kind of sweep it under the rug.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: They kept it under wraps for about a week. Obviously,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: you talk about the rash of injuries that they've had
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: since the last two or three years. You got Deebo
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: coming back.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: You got the... I want to talk about Jed York,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: damn it. I know that's your little buddy. You see
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: how I'm trying to skirt off? I'm not really trying
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to talk about... I know that's your friend.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: You got his phone number and you called him and said,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I hope everything is okay.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And then Dajun Love, he's been... A lot of more
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: 49er unwanted things.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Chad York was in trouble for soliciting prostitution.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: At a truck stop. Is that where the best hookers are,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen? Is that where you go to get
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: you a.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, out of all people, I would.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: And all the money he's got.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I would have never expected. What's going on with these owners?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: It was Robert Kraft.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yes. But he went to a nice, respectable massage parlor.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: You're saying Judd. Judd is at.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Judd. You said Judd. Judd. He sounds like a Judd.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Only Judds go to a trailer park or a truck stop.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: To get hookers.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: So you're saying Robert... They have a name for them.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: They're like called some kind of rats. Robert tried to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: be classy and Jed tried to... He's just straight gutter
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Just gutter with it. Gutter with it. I ain't going
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to say ghetto. What could be ghetto? Listen.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: All I got to say is, Jed York, there's some
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: better places for you to find these hoes.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm intrigued. How did he get caught? What tip people,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: because they were on him for a bit.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: His license plate said, I own the 49ers.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: No, you got to have a trail, a track record,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a trail of doing something.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Right, to get caught. Right, to get caught. So I'm like,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: come on. Maybe his wife? She would put that out there.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Because maybe he had to get caught
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: for her because they're getting divorced. Right. We need a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: come on, man section. Come on, man. Come on. Oh, yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Come on, son. Yeah, man. Like, yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Is he being treated on a different, is there a
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: different set of standards for the owner? Because, you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: if it would have been a player, we would have heard.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Way, way more. That part.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I think they would probably still be talking about it
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: right now. I think that because it's an owner, they're
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: not seen on an everyday basis. It's not a hero. Right.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: And they don't impact the game.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's why they're probably not going to
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: have the recourse that they would have as a player. Right, right.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Because imagine if you would have did it. Lambasted. What?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: It would have taken you 27 ballots to get into
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: You would have these networks with different guys on a
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: panel that would have been, you know, saying, release him,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: suspend him. He should be, you know, yeah. Suspend it for.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: The rest of the year. Imagine how social media would
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: have did you.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Fine.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: X amount of dollars.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Like, bro. Yeah. It's, it's definitely a different set, different
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: set of standards. Um, yeah, I'm sure there's probably going
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to be a hefty fine being paid.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Um, and then, yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Um, but, and then on top of that, I think
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: it's just, it's not the right time. I think with
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: everything going on, just the timing of it. Um, And
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I know Jed personally and reached out to him. Like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: you know, my message was to him just to stay positive.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: You know, that was without me even, because I don't
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: like to cast judgment on anybody. Sure, sure.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: You got to get what you got to get. I
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: don't know wherever you get it from.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know the guy's lifestyle or whatever,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: but we just have to do better.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Well, we do now. Do better and be smarter about it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Talking about standards, obviously talking
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: about 49ers, I mean, There are no headlines for all
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the wrong reasons. And then an unexpected reason. How about
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the guy who's been scamming all these women?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And who's saying his own? Young Mommy? That's her name?
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Young Miami. Young Miami? Yes. While all my scamming... Well,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: guess what? We found him.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: We got our answer. Deshawn Love. Deshawn Love. Like, bro. I.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know who's worse, him or the women being scammed.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: And you know, being swindled out of money, I can
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: empathize with them a little bit, so I know how
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: you can, I don't know if I can empathize, because
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: in this situation, I mean, at least the people that
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: scam me, like I thought I trusted them and I
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: knew them for a long period of time. There is
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: a common denominator of trust.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: But what I don't know is like, he's saying he
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: plays for the 49ers, right?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he... How did he not.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Did these women not see him in the games? That's
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: what I don't... Did he break up with them right...
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: The people that he... He took the money and then
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: quit at preseason. Like, I don't like you no more.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: That the women he preyed upon....
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: They got to be living under rocks. Or maybe they
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: just don't watch football. Well, what are the cities? I
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: know they were in Oregon. Yep. I think Idaho. Yep. Idaho,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: you might be living up under rocks. Yeah.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: We don't blame you, Idaho women. Potatoes. Sorry. Oregon. Here? Yeah. L.A., California.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: L.A. is a football sports city. Oregon is a sports city. Yes. Um,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: maybe they don't have the, the internet is a little
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: sketchy in those cities.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Did you see some of the stuff he was doing
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: to prove to these women?
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Like, have you ever, I saw the video training? No,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I just, have you ever went to the beach and
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: ran routes with your helmet on? I've gone to the, no, no,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I think I went your helmet on and no coat and.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Just, just shirtless.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: That's not out of, that's not out of the realm
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: of possibility. That's not unheard of to.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Go run routes at the beach with your helmet on.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: No, uh, Antonio Brown. I think he's done that before.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: We ran some routes. I didn't have my helmet, but
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I know I think he had his helmet running on
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: just for conditioning and things of that nature. I've even
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: run routes, going to run routes on the football, just
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: training with just a helmet.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Just to get used to it. Yeah. So that's not far-fetched. Okay.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: But as I've seen on social media, everywhere that he went,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I mean— He even said I think he had some
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Rams gear. He had a few teams, but obviously most
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: notably the San Francisco 49ers. He had all the paraphernalia,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: like everything that goes back to the 49ers. So I
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: don't know how these women... Like they didn't do any research,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I saw the TMZ video where he, I
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: guess he had sent the girl. And the fact that
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: he sent the video to a girl, I guess to
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: prove himself about deals that he was making, moves that
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: he was making, houses that he had.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: But he even tried to make it even more legitimate.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: He had great paperwork. But you know what he did?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Got him a little Asian boy.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: It looks legit.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I don't trust him, but that little Asian boy,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: now that makes it look like something.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: He was like, where are all my Asian little boys?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: You know what the little boy's name was? Taylor. Taylor.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: One Who Stealed. What? Yeah. That's his Asian name.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: One.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, you stupid. You stupid. One who take money. One
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: who steals money. Yes.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: We're not making light of you ladies who have been
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: taken advantage of because there are men who have been
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: taken advantage of.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Honestly, being that you said that, being that you said that,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: there's men that have been taken advantage of. why hasn't
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: some of these women been brought to the forefront? Because
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: we get taken advantage.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Of all the time.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: A lot of these women will go on the internet
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: and show all their Birkin bags and all their shoes.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: And this is the kind of lifestyle I like to lead.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So if you want to hang out with a woman
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: who looks like me, you've got to get me a Birkin.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: We get scammed and taken advantage of, too. Why are
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the women, why are they not in jail? Because they're
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: not the Birkin bag 49ers. Yo, that's a different set.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: We're talking about standards.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: There's a different set of standards going on right here.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe because, you know what? I think also because....
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Whatever it was, 1.3, 1.2 million. So hearing that took
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: it to a different level. 20,000, 50,000, 100,000.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: It ain't 1.3 million.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: For some people, that equates to that 1.3 or whatever.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: But that's a totality. That's not in one lump sum.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I think there was- Several women. Yeah, over a.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Period of time.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: They say he's been doing this since, is it 2022?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: That is not something that just happened.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Did you ladies not notice he wasn't on, when you
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: turned on TV, he wasn't in the game? Yeah, like, yeah, like,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: you got to know, like, where's Dajon Love? Like, there's
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: a Jordan Love for the Packers.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Nothing fishy. That's the only love that I saw that
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: was on the field that was getting some air time. Right.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, he, first of all, you got to get
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: a dude some kudos. The dude got some games. He's
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: one of the best. He's one of the best.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: He's cold-witted. Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Let's stay right here in your little San Francisco train
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: and talk about Colin Kaepernick.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: It's been 10 years since he kneeled.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: That was a very controversial time and topic. You talk
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: about police brutality, why he took the stance that he took. Right.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: How do you think— Oh, 10.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Years since he.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: What his impact would have been had he done what
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: he did back then now?
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: You think what he would have been, you know... Honestly,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I think he... Number one, I think he would be
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: still playing. I think he ruffled the feathers. And then
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: when you start getting into politics and things like that... Well,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: you're saying if he would take a knee today... I
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: think it would be.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be... Well-received, more embraced than it did then.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Because he was.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: He was embarking on a territory that like everybody, nobody,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: we weren't ready for. And then if you think about it,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and I say that now, look how many players and
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: platforms that have been formed because of him.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Establishing, you know, standing up for what he believed in
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: and understand like now a lot of players, they feel
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: like they were voiceless then because a lot of players,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: they wanted to say and back him up. Right. but
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: they were scared that they was gonna lose their job.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Jerry Jones threatened players that openly came out and supported
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: that movement.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: And then, remember, your president came out and called them
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: sons of bitches.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they need my president.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: No, I'm talking to them people out there. Oh, yeah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: y'all president.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: So there definitely was sort of a fear. I'm sure
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of people supported him in silence, but were
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: afraid to be out there and say, yo, I'm going
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: to take a knee with you.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Why did more players take that stance, do you think? Honestly,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: They were scared for their job. They knew that their
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: jobs were going to be in jeopardy. Just think about
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Eric Reid, who was his teammate. Obviously, he came back,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: but then I think he got blackballed because he was
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: associated with with Colin.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: He couldn't get back in the league. Obviously, he could
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: still play. But again, he ended up in the same boat,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: you know, same boat as Colin. You think it was.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Because of the level Colin was at? Do you think
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: there's somebody bigger? If there was a superstar that did this?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't even say it's a level.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's synonymous with when you look at the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: scope of how police officers, especially treating the black community.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's, they're trying to teach, they're using him
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: as a poster boy to teach him a lesson. And
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: anybody like him, this is what's going to happen. This
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. I don't know if Drew
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Brees would have done that. We would be talking, I
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: don't think it would have been, I don't think Drew
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Brees would have been blackballed out of the league. If
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: it was Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers, I honestly don't
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: think that we would be talking about this in this manner.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I honestly don't think that's the case. It was somebody
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: that pointed him out.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: It's like somebody pointed him out.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: He wasn't even really, he wasn't doing anything. Right. Just
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: taking a knee, silent protest.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: That's what's so crazy. We can do the smallest thing
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: and get the most attention.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: And they tried to make it seem like he was disrespecting.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: The flag. The national anthem and the flag.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Right. Then you got the military and all the law enforcement.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: And how many times when the national anthem come on,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: you go, oh, let me go get something to eat
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: or let me go use the bathroom.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Bro, you got people eating hot dogs and stuff.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Nobody's at home going. Right. You know what I mean? Exactly.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: But again, it's us. It's so synonymous.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Like we're so polarizing in a number of ways, whether
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: it's good, bad or indifferent. We're so polarizing. And we
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: still haven't advanced any progression of any solidarity, no more positive. Like, honestly,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think the world is in a better place.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's better than 10 years ago. To
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: be quite honest, yeah, there's been more awareness for things,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: but there's no solutions. There's no solutions for anything. And
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: how does it stop? When does it stop? And it's
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: definitely with who's in the White House. He's been insightful,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: just citing just division.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: What were people saying to you? Like specifically, like.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Would I have done it? What would you do if
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I was his teammate? Yeah. I would have been right
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: there with him. Anybody knows like I'm a loyal person.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Like everybody always talk about the locker room being a brotherhood. Like,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: and honestly, I just, when you think about that and
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: you don't think about the dollar, like some of those,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: some of his friends, his teammates, they failed him. Everybody
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: except for Eric Reid. You can't then go after the fact, oh,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I wanted to watch it. Because if it really meant
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: something to you, you wouldn't have cared about the ramifications. Me,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: it didn't matter. So what if I lost my job
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: or lose money? I would have been right there with him.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: That's me personally. Anybody know me, I'm going to tell you,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: if I say I'm going to do something, I'm going
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: to do it. That's just me. They would ask me
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: my take on it, and I would have been behind
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: them 100%. So, again, if I would have been out
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: of the league, I would have been out of the league. Shit,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I did less than that. They wouldn't even let me
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: back in the league because for being outspoken and just
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: standing on business. So, yeah, I would have been right
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: there with Colin Kaepernick. He would have had the fro,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: and I would have had this. No fro.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: We believe you. We believe you.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: But it's just so unfortunate that a lot of the players,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: like I said, I mean, they honestly, and I can
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: understand too, a lot of those players, like I said,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: they were scared for their jobs. But they don't understand
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: the power that they have. And I think once they
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: realize that, even with where they are now with guaranteed contracts,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: when they realize how much power that they have as
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: players together, they can overpower anything that they want to.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: If they need something, they want something, they can get
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: it done because there's so much strength in numbers. And
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: especially with the league being 70 plus percent black and
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: brown players, it's not.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Going to move.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: They're not going to move the needle without us. Once
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: they understand and truly understand that, like you got to strategize.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: It's like what Killer Mike said, it was a plot, plan, mobilize, strategize, organize.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Something like, something along those lines. If they get On that,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: but trust me, they can move the needle. I think
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of things can happen starting with the National
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Football League because everybody loves football. That's the only thing
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: that really brings us as Americans in all races, all
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: ethnic backgrounds, that's what brings us all together, sports. Football
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: is the number one sport here in America.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: But today you think more people would probably take a
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: knee with them?
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, the league would probably be in a
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: bad situation. Honestly, I think it would be in a
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: bad situation because so many guys I think now feel.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Like just.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Motivated, inspired by what he did. Right. And when you
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: think about now, look how many players that have now
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: formed these podcasts on these different platforms because they feel
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: now that they have a voice that we're so suppressed
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: for so long.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Well, as you see here, we ain't no regular podcast.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: We get to the point. And it's not just going
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: to be sports, as you can see. We're going to
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: talk about the culture, right, as we just did in
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: different ways.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Also you know I being an entertainer we're gonna talk
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: about some entertainment and one of our biggest and brightest
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: just passed away this week Dolly Parton oh wow and
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: she was so beloved.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: A lady that saw really no color no And I
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: think that's why a lot of people love Dolly Parton. Right.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: She loved all walks of life. She just didn't see
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: black or white. She just loved people.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: You know you're a bad person when you got a
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: whole amusement park named after you. Right.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: She's, I mean, phenomenal. I mean, one of the popular songs, Jolene.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Jolene. Jolene.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: That's, yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I just remember working nine to five. Yeah, nine to five.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Like, everybody who has worked a job knows that song.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Nine to five, man.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: None of these kids.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all know nothing about, no, not yet. Taryn and I,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: y'all millennials, Gen Zs and Xs.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Making money selling T-shirts with Amazon.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Don't even leave the house.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: The Dollywood Foundation. Man, I'm sure it's- They've given.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Over three- 100 million books.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: To kids who deserve it.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: And that's just straight out of the kindness of her heart. Right.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Again, she was a person that loves people, loves human beings.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: And again, and I think that's why she resonated with
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of us in the black community because she
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: was for us.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: She knows what.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: She sees what we've gone through. Right. I ain't going
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: to say she empathizes, but she understands what we have
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: gone through.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: And I wish a lot of people could have been
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: in her shoes and looked through her eyes and seen
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: things through the lens that she saw. Honestly, I think
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: this world would be a much better place.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Not too many people on her level. I like when
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I see people give back.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: And to see her give back on that level is
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: a whole different type of give back.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: And I think, too, I think she realizes, she understands, like, reading, writing,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: all those.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Things are.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: At the beginning when you're starting school. Right.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: And she's giving them to poor kids.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: And a lot of those poor kids were poor black kids. Right.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: And they know, too, like, and I'm sure she knows, like,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: part of educating yourself, you have to read.
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  Speaker 1: You have to read.
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  Speaker 2: So what better way to do that than to obviously
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  Speaker 2: put those pieces, put those things in place for underprivileged
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  Speaker 2: kids that can't afford books or don't have access to them,
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  Speaker 2: to be able to put those things in so many
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  Speaker 2: facets of organization, donation, bins, and to have them read
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  Speaker 2: those books.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, 304, that's a lot of books, Chris,
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  Speaker 1: lot of books. Are there artists today or even in
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  Speaker 1: the past that are like her? We know like a
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, right? His music, his philanthropy.
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  Speaker 3: But is there anybody else like him, like her?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm thinking. Or maybe they're doing stuff in private.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think most of the artists... today that are doing things,
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  Speaker 2: if you see them giving back or doing things, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's all strategic. Whereas when you think about Michael
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  Speaker 2: Jackson or, or Dolly Parton, you know that there's not the,
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  Speaker 2: the ones that I, that I, other artists aren't doing
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  Speaker 2: it from pure intention, but those two, you just understand
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  Speaker 2: it's like nothing. It's love, right? There's, There's nothing behind
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  Speaker 2: it besides just giving back. They're not expecting nothing in return.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure there's other artists who are like that,
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  Speaker 3: but you're just saying the majority of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but who?
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  Speaker 2: But I can't think of anybody off the top of
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  Speaker 2: my brain right now that I can put in that.
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  Speaker 1: Young Miami? Stop.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Michael Jackson, 12 is, I would say, his predecessors.
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  Speaker 1: Remember We Are the World? Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Benefiting Africa around AIDS and all those things around that time.
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  Speaker 2: He got all those artists.
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  Speaker 1: Only Michael Jackson can do something like that. Well, it
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  Speaker 1: was more Quincy Jones. That put that together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but true. But, I mean, Michael Jackson was kind
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  Speaker 2: of almost like a headliner, too. I mean, there were
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  Speaker 2: so many.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, big names. Yeah. How many... Man, it was.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was like the who's who. I remember
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  Speaker 2: that video, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Great documentary, too.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of Mike, two of his.
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  Speaker 3: Who have kind of mimicked his greatness and have gone
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: on to do some incredible things.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: They're great. Chris Brown, you think Chris Brown? Chris Brown
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: and Usher. I think, okay, yeah. So they're touring right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They're fantastic. I've gotten into big arguments with people about-
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Have you gone to the show?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Have you gone to the show?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I have not gone yet. Do you plan to? I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: absolutely plan on it.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Yes. Okay. I've seen Usher. You're taking your wife? Yes.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Are you going to let- Absolutely not.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: You're going to let Usher, you know- She's going to
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: sit next to me with handcuffs on like.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: How are you doing? You going to the bathroom? We
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: going to the bathroom.
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  Speaker 3: I've got arguments with people about Chris Brown being the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: greatest entertainer of all time, saying he has a better
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: vocal range than Michael Jackson.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: He's a better dancer. What are your thoughts?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Drugs are a dangerous thing.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's all I can tell you. Drugs are a
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: dangerous thing.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, there's no way. If Chris was right here, I'd
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: tell him. It's not that Chris is not talented.
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  Speaker 1: He's incredible. But he's not MJ.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: MJ. He can be CB, but he ain't in his
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: own world, but he ain't MJ.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Voice, or are you talking about dancing? Both.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: See, if I was to give him one, I would probably,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I could give him dancing. I'll take that back. I
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: give you the dancing part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fantastic.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: But as far as like, even just musically inclined, like catalog, like, bro,
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  Speaker 2: ain't nobody coming out in the millions and thousands. Ain't
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: nobody crying like, you know, just him coming on the stage.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know that.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: You ain't been in shows in Japan and Turkey. If
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: that was the case, it would be documented. They would
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: be promoing that. Man, Michael Jackson stood on the stage for,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: they said, eight minutes without saying a word.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Bro, they had to call the.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: The plumber, I mean, it was tears all over the floor.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: They had to call the plumber. I saw him, Dodger Stadium,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I think it was 1980. I wish.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I could have seen Michael Jackson in concert.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Damn it. I am a living testament.
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  Speaker 2: You're going off script.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Putting him away.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen, you know, you see TV and you people go,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: you know, Frank Sinatra, Frankie, and they faint, or Elvis.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Mike came out. I got lightheaded. No, stop, Chris. I
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  Speaker 1: got lightheaded. I was like, oh, this is what they
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Stop, Chris. It was fucking amazing.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: He came up to Dodger Stadium. The whole stadium floated.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was eight minutes, but he
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: didn't say nothing. It was, and it could have been
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: from us screaming. For real like that? Lightheaded. I got it.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: People faint.
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  Speaker 3: You saw him taking people out. I see how people
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: get me taken out. I could have been taken out.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: No, that's crazy.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: I was a little Chinese girl at the Michael Jackson concert.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Bro, I mean.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Michael!
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: You know what's so crazy? You've watched clips.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: You've seen clips where little kids now, they're hearing Michael
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Jackson for the first time. These are one, two, three, four-year-olds.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: They are enamored by his music. It is something with
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: his music. My daughter was like that.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Like, it is something.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: It is like it's crack coming through the sound waves.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: They knew what they were doing.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Like, it is something about this individual. Bro, like, even
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: little kids, like, they're emotional.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you a story, Terrell. Tell me a story.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: When my daughter would act up in the car, restless.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I'm about to cry. I would play PYT, Pretty Young Thing.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: And she would just smooth on out.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: For real.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I want to love you. B-Y-T. And then she would
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: just calm down. I'm crying. For real? You rubbed off
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: on me. That's crazy. That's crazy.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I just, again, yeah, I know, yeah, I know we're
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: wrapping up, but I mean, I just, man, and I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: love Michael Jackson.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I had the curl. I had all of that.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: The Michael Jackson. You told me. Yeah, bro. I had
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: the penny loafers. 6'8 Michael Jackson walking around.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Bro, I had the penny loafers. I wasn't this tall then,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: but I had the leather jeans. Shoot, my mom, like
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't have like the little sashay thing. So I had, yeah, so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I tried to emulate, I had the look of Michael Jackson.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Right. I, I had to improvise. Did you have to move? Oh, yeah. No, no.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I did that.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I did on the toes, everything.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I want to see it. The moonwalk. Move that out
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: of the way. Let me see it.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Nah.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I can do all of that.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: The floor is not really conducive for doing the moonwalk.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: But I mean, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Bro, I can do the moonwalk. I did everything. All
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: of that, bro.
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  Speaker 2: I had the whole routine. I had the little curls,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: like little dry curls. Little curls down. Man, I had
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: it all.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: Man. Ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Billie Jean was my favorite.
• 1:09:11
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• 1:09:13
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• 1:09:18
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• 1:09:20
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• 1:09:22
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• 1:09:24
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