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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 9) (5/16/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  We're gonna pick up where we left off with a
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  Galain Maxwell deposition. So let's just get right back to it,
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  shall we. McCauley, do you know who redacted is? Maxwell?
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  It doesn't know. I don't know who that is. I
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  can't recall, McCauley. This is not in color. It's a
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  black and white, but it has the bait label on it.
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  Should I take the sticker off the one that has
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  I don't know if you want to swap it, pag luka,
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  Let the record reflect. I am replacing this on the
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  black and white copy of this exhibit with redacted McCauley.
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  So we're talking earlier, we were looking at the flight
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  logs and we were talking about a trip. And let
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  me just get you back to the page. A whole
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  bunch of redactions now. Then it goes back to another question.
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  Can I direct your attention to the picture please Maxwell?
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  Of course, McCauley, Can you tell me who is in
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  this picture? Who is pictured here? And for the court
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  reporter's benefit, can you go from the left of the
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  picture to the right of the picture, to the extent
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  you can identify the individuals. Maxwell, Sure, I cannot identify
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  the person on the left. I cannot identify the person
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  next left. I can identify Jeffrey Epstein. I cannot identify
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  the next person to his right, and the next person
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  in the picture is myself, McCauley. Is the individual all
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  the way to the left at the beginning of the picture.
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  Does that resemble redacted? You might want to look at
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  the color version if that helps you at all. I
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  know it's not the marked one, and I don't know
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  if that's easier to see, but they are both dark. Maxwell.
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  That does not look like redacted at all. McCauley, do
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  you recall mister Pagliuca. Let's mark this then as deposition
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  Exhibit number eight, since we are referring to it, and
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  then you can give us copies as well. Menager pipes in.
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  It's different because it has other people in this color photo, Maxwell,
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  Exhibit eight photos marked for identification. McAuley, Do you recall
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  who took this photograph? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, do
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  you recall this photograph being taken by Virginia Maxwell? First
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  of all, I don't know where we are, McCauley, So
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  you don't recognize the building, Maxwell, I don't recognize the building,
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  and I don't recognize the only two people I recognize
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  in this picture are Jeffrey and myself. McCauley, does this
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  look like a picture of a building that you would
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  have seen when you were on your trip to Europe?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell,
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  I can't possibly answer that. McCauley. Do you recall Virginia
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  ever taking pictures? Maxwell? I barely recall Virginia period. McCauley,
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  do you ever recall her taking pictures? Maxwell? No, I don't, McCauley.
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  I'm going to direct your attention, still within the flight
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  logs to starting on the next page from where you
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  just were, which is going to be redacted, and the
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  date at the top says redacted. You will see redacted.
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  And I'm directing your attention down towards the middle to
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  the bottom, where you will see the numbers redacted. Maxwell,
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  Uh huh, McCauley, and we've got Actually, I'm going to
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  direct your attention to the one that starts with redacted redacted,
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  and in the line the remarks line, you will see
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  Jaye GM Then a bunch of redactions. Mister Pagliuca, Are
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  you reading the twenty ninth? Is that what you're reading McCauley.
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  I'm reading the twenty ninth, Yes, McCauley. Below that you
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  will see Jaye GM and a bunch of redactions. Do
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  you see that? Maxwell? I do, McCauley. Do you recall
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  a trip from Teeterborough to Santa Fe and Santa Fe
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  back to Palm Beach with these individuals? Maxwell? I don't. McCauley,
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  do you ever recall being on a plane with redacted
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  and Virginia Roberts Maxwell I don't. McCauley, do you ever
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  recall witnessing any sexual interactions on one of Jeffrey's planes
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  with any of these individuals RULs? Maxwell? I do not,
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  absolutely not, McCauley. Did Jeffrey Epstein have a fold out
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  bed on his plane? Maxwell? There was a bet on
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  one of his planes that folded out. Yes, McCauley. Do
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  you recall whether with respect to this being in Santa Fe,
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  do you recall whether you were there for some form
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  of a party, mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recall the trip at all.
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  And this looks like a total work trip, not a
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  party trip. McCauley. What would be the difference between work
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  trip and a party trip? Maxwell? Just that I would
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  have been on trips for work. And I believe that
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  this looks like redacted, looks like it's one of the
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  probably one of the designers, and the time would meet
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  with a trip to decorate the house, just the timing
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  of it. McCauley. So would Virginia be brought on trips
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  that were for the purpose of work and decorating the house? Maxwell?
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  Like I said, I never worked with her, But you
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  would have to ask Jeffrey what he brought her on
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  the trip for McCauley. But she would travel with them
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  when there was work trips like this, Maxwell, I can't.
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  I'm seeing that she is on this flight, but I
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  have no idea what she is doing. He invited her.
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  It would not be my job. McCauley. What about Nadia Borland?
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  Would she regularly travel with Jeffrey on flights? Maxwell? I
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  have no idea. You would have to look through your
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  flight logs. I have no idea. McCauley. Your recollection is
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  what is your recollection? Do you recollect Nadia traveling often
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  on flights with Jeffrey Maxwell. Absolutely not, not at all.
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  I don't recollect her actually on the flight at all. McCauley.
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  I think you can set that aside for the moment. Maxwell.
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  Exhibit nine message bad pages marked for identification. McCauley, we
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  will mark as Exhibit nine these excerpts from We will
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  identify what they are. But from the message pads, do
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  you want to correct anything? Maxwell? I want to make
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  an addendum. Would you mind reading the last question back
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  to me? Record read Maxwell. I also just want to
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  say that at this point I cannot recollect flying the
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  parties Jeffrey went for work. So was this in Santa Fe?
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  This flight as well, McCauley, the flight we were looking at, yes,
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  but it was to Santa Fe. Maxwell. I don't recall
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  going to any parties in Santa Fe at any time,
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  but certainly flying to Santa Fe for a party seems
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  highly improbable McCauley. So I'm going to direct your attention
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  to the document that I set aside before, which is
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  Bates' number is redacted and it has different Baits numbers
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  because it's a smaller version of the larger production. These
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  are the pages I'll be asking about in the time
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  that you were working with Jeffrey Epstein in Palm Beach,
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  do you recall a process for taking anybody at the
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  house taking messages when incoming phone calls came in. Maxwell,
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  You're supposed to take a message and receive the message
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  and write the message down. Who was the message for,
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  what time it was taken, and who took it, and
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  what the message was. Obviously, McCauley, does what's in front
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  of you look familiar with respect to the message pads
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  that you would have used at the house. Maxwell, it's familiar, McCauley.
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  I'm going to direct your attention to the second page
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  of it. Mister Pagliuca. These all have SAO numbers on
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  them or bait ranges, and I don't see any of
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  your bait ranges on these. I know you have produced
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  message pads, but those have your bait range numbers on them,
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  and I'm wondering if these are different documents. McCauley, it's
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  the same, just ours have baits underneath them. These were
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  produced as part of the Rule twenty six discovery. We
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  can get additional baits if you want, McCauley. The one
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  I'm asking about first is the redacted? You can look
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  at it and then I will identify the bait's number referenced.
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  In this case, I want to direct your attention to
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  the top right hand corner, just so I have an
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  understanding of how these messages were taken. So I see
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  that it says at the top, it says in the
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  fore line it says miss Maxwell, and the data redacted.
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  And then I see under the m line it looks
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  like redacted or something like that, a phone number and
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  a message saying return your call, and on the bottom
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  it looks redacted. Explain to me is this does this
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  represent redacted taking down a message for you from redacted?
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  Is that how these work? Mister Pagliuka, objection to the
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  form and the foundation, Go ahead. Manager. My question is
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  I'm trying to understand how the messages were taken. Looking
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  at this message pad where it says signed redacted, can
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  you tell me who redacted was Maxwell? I cannot. McCauley,
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  you do not know typically when these messages were taken
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  in your practice, when you were there with the individual
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  who took the message, write their name on the message.
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  Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I don't recollect. You can ask who wrote it so
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  you can find out who it was. McCauley. Do you
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  know who redacted is? Maxwell? I don't, McCauley. I'm going
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  to direct your attention. Do we have a Baates number
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  for that? Brad Edwards pipes up, but his comment is redacted.
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  McCauley Roberts for that one. I will direct your attention
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  to the first page which has the redacted on it. Maxwell. Okay, McCauley.
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  Now at the top of the document, on the right
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  hand side, the message that reads for Je date redacted,
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  message redacted and then it signed GM. Is that your signature? Maxwell?
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  That's not my handwriting, McCauley. Would other people take a message?
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  How did this process work if there's someone else in
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  the house with the initials GM? Mister Paghliuka objection to
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  the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I cannot answer that
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  it's not my handwriting, McCauley. I'm trying to understand how
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  this gets there if you took a message and didn't
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  write it down, with someone else record the message for you.
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  Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  all I can tell you. This is not my handwriting,
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  so I cannot I have no idea what it is. McCauley.
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  Was the practice that what was the practice when someone
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  answered the phone with the message pads? What were they
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  supposed to do? Maxwell? They were supposed to take a
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  message and the time and the date and give the message, McCauley.
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  Were they supposed to indicate who took the message? Maxwell?
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  They were, but it wasn't. I don't really recall the
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  actual process. I can see from here it looks like
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  you were supposed to but that's not my handwriting, so
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  I can't say what that was. McCauley. Do you know
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  who redacted is? Maxwell? No? I don't McCauley. Do you
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  know whether redacted was under the age of eighteen? Maxwell?
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  I just testified I couldn't remember who she was, so
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  it would be difficult to know how old she was. McCauley.
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  Do you know if she was coming to the house
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  to provide massages? Maxwell? I don't remember who she is
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  at all, So no, McCauley. And then I would like
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  to direct your attention to the message right underneath it,
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  which says Jaye redacted or redacted and has a phone number,
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  and the message says wants to know if she should
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  bring her friend redacted tonight. What is that message referring to?
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  Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I
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  can't possibly know, McCauley. Did individuals at the house take
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  messages for underage girls to come over and bring friends
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  for the purpose of providing massages? Mister Pagliuca objection to
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  the form and the Foundation? Maxwell, How would I possibly
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  know what you were talking about? McCauley. Did you record
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  messages at the house? Maxwell? It's not my job, McCauley.
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  You did from time to time record messages? Maxwell, hardly ever, McCauley,
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  but you did from time to time. Do it? Maxwell,
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  I'm just saying I hardly ever took messages very very
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  very very infrequently. McCauley. Do you know if redacted brought
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  her friend redacted over on that night? Pagliuca objection to
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  the form and the Foundation, Maxwell one. I don't know
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  what this message is. I don't know if I was
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  in Palm Beach, I don't know who redacted is. I
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  don't know who redacted is, and I don't know what
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  this message is referring to McCauley, So, on January second
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  of two thousand and three, were you in Palm Beach? Maxwell?
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  I don't know, McCauley. Where would you have been other
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  than Palm Beach at that time? Maxwell? I could have
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  been anywhere, McCauley, Where did you typically live? Maxwell? What
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  are you asking me, McCauley, So, for example, in two
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  thousand and three, where was your primary residence? Was it
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  wherever Jeffrey was living and staying or was it independent
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  of that? Maxwell? What was the date again, McCauley, in
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  two thousand and three Maxwell, the end of two thousand
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  and three, McCauley, January the beginning. Maxwell, I don't know.
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  I could have been anywhere. Jeffrey and I were leading
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  almost separate lives by then, McCauley. If you were at
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  the house that day, did you recall seeing anybody by
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  the name of redacted? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form. Maxwell,
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  I don't know if I was at the house, so
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  I can't testify to that. All right, folks, who are
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  gonna wrap up this part here and in the next
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  episode we'll pick up where we left off. All of
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