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Empire of lies: Fragments from the memory hole · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Today's conversation is with New York Times best-selling author and award-winning talk show host, Charles Goyet, to talk about his book, The Empire of Lies, Fragments from the Memory Hole, an account of deadly folly, moral failure, war profiteering, and ruthless manipulation of the public.
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  Charles, welcome so much to the Tenpenny Files.
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  It is really truly an honor to have you here with me today.
• 2:35
  Dr.
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  T, it is my honor to be on your show.
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  Thank you so much for having me.
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  Well, you're use your book, uh Empire of Lies.
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  You start out by discussing the shooting down of TWA Flight 800, the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald, and proposals of a red flag to start the war in Iraq.
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  You said then say, quote, state lies and staged incidents are so common that virtually every international incident deserves to be redeserves to be viewed skeptically.
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  And I totally agree with you about that.
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  How does that play into the current events that are happening around the world today?
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  Oh, the question is so big, it's almost impossible to know where to start when you talk about uh deceit and misleading.
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  I uh uh this morning I discovered that uh President Trump has said, well, we don't have to clear the Strait of Hormouth.
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  And I'm thinking, that's funny.
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  A month ago it was wide open.
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  There was no war, gasoline prices were reasonable.
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  We weren't on the precipice of a uh uh global economic meltdown, and now all the pretext that you've given us for going in there have uh suddenly vanished, but we have to continue the war anyway.
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  So I have a long, long uh litany, as you've referred to, Dr.
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  T of uh the the overt lies that have been emitted from the deep state uh with regard to uh Iraq and Iran and a host of regime change wars, of phony wars and so on.
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  And I identify the culprit in most of them as the backstory culprit is is what I call the deep state.
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  A common term now, but it's been it's been called the invisible government in the past, the shadow government and other things, but it is the in my view, it is the executive arm of the global American empire.
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  The global American empire is a global entity of itself, but it is run, it is managed, its objectives are fulfilled by uh by the deep state.
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  So I have an account of that in it, and my book is a warning for people to start uh questioning, corroborating the things that the government says, or we will be marched into these kind of follies one after another until our free republic is finished.
• 4:48
  Well, we are really headed forward over there.
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  Now they're talking about putting boots on the ground and blowing up Iraq, Iran's water system, which I guess is considered a war crime if they and um it seems as though we have like no real justification for being there because it seems like they move the goalpost every week.
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  It was, you know, to stop the nuclear bombs and then oh, didn't we just bomb them?
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  And so they didn't have any nuclear war, and now it's like, well, they have to go be bombed into submission.
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  And this country has a thousand-year history of being invaded by all sorts of people and recovering.
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  But what does this, you know, why does uh the our our government's foreign policy, why does the goalpost keep moving?
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  And what would U.S.
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  foreign policy look like if we did things differently and didn't just uh follow the commands of the deep state.
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  It'll be a world uh of much more peace and much greater prosperity, especially for the American people.
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  Yeah, it's funny how the goalpost moves all the time.
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  Um, it's always the the war is the deep state objectives, and then they get very busy looking for a pretext to justify it.
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  I'll give you a couple of quick examples.
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  In the Iraq war for well, let me even start with the Gulf War, just just because it's so juicy and it should be known.
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  In the first Gulf War, Saddam Hussein was our guy.
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  The CIA installed the bath party in Iraq.
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  They installed Saddam Hussein effectively.
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  He was our guy.
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  When he wanted to invade Kuwait, he wanted our permission for it because he was our guy, and he went to our ambassador to ask for permission.
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  She said, We we wash our hands of it.
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  We really don't have much to say about this.
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  So they uh when uh he invaded Kuwait over an oil dispute, slant drilling, and whatever the other inter-Arab issues were.
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  The American people weren't really eager to go into that war.
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  They didn't know why.
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  And so the spinmeisters in the White House started working desperately to find a way to stampede the people into the war, like they always do with all of these kinds of incidents.
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  And the one they came up with, this is juicy.
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  They came up with, they came up with, well, right now, besides having taken Kuwait, Saddam Hussein has, and I don't remember the numbers, but it was something like 12,000 tanks and 200,000 or 150,000 men on the border of Saudi Arabia.
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  Taking Kuwait, Saddam Hussein has, and I don't remember the numbers, but it was something like 12,000 tanks and 200,000 or 150,000 men on the border of Saudi Arabia.
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  And he's ready to roll in.
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  And he's ready to roll in.
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  He's right on the border.
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  He's right on the border.
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  He's poised to go any minute.
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  He's poised to go any minute.
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  And this will mean the end of Western civilization.
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  And this will mean the end of Western civilization.
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  No more filling up your tank, no more computing to work, no more visiting your family on the weekend.
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  No more filling up your tank, no more commuting to work, no more visiting your family on the weekend.
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  It's the end of oil from the Middle East.
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  It's the end of oil from uh the Middle East, it's the end of civilization.
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  It's the end of civilization.
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  We have to go to war to stop this.
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  We have to go to war to stop this.
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  So one enterprise.
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  So one enterprising reporter, a woman in St.
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  Petersburg reporter, uh St.
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  Petersburg, Florida, asked her publisher to give her $3,200.
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  She went out and hired time on the surveillance satellites and had all the photos taken, all the surveillance photos, and hired hired the photo analysts to look at the photos of the border area.
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  They can see everything in the region.
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  They could see American fighters in Saudi Arabians in uh in the Riyadh, for example.
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  They saw the whole area.
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  But the most peculiar thing is there were no tanks on the border of Saudi Arabia.
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  And there were no uh soldiers on the border of Saudi Arabia.
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  There were no supply lines, the roads hadn't been used, there were no logistics, there were no places for them to encamp.
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  There were none of it.
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  And so she starts, she said, Well, this is a pretty big lie to tell the American people.
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  So she started going to the uh Secretary of Defense and asking for an explanation, and their explanation was trust us.
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  And she never got another explanation.
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  Then let me jump forward to the next Iraq war, the Iraq war that broke out in 2003, and uh the American people didn't know exactly why we should be in that war either.
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  But here's what happened.
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  The White House got desperate to find an excuse, a pretext.
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  They're always looking for a pretext to sell the next war.
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  The pretext was this time, oh, and here's how they created it.
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  They had a group inside the White House called the White House Iraq Group.
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  And you would think if you know, this is about war and nuclear weapons and stuff, they'd have nuclear weapons experts and people, you know, that understand the risk and they'd be assessing the risk and the reality of the threads.
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  Not so.
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  It was spinmeisters, pollsters, uh, talking points generators, and they got together and they came up with this.
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  It's a marketing phrase that would have done a soft drink well.
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  They said, Well, we can't afford to, we can't afford to uh the this to see the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud.
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  Oh, that must mean they have weapons of mass destruction, they have nukes.
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  Yeah, and who wants to see the smoking gun, the final evidence in the form of a mushroom cloud.
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  So they started marketing that.
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  The president said it, Ari Fleischer said it from the uh podium in the in the press room, Condolisa Rice, Dick Cheney, the whole bunch, smoking gun in the form of a uh of a mushroom cloud.
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  So it just I could tell you, I can give you a dozen, but just give you one example how they tried to sell that.
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  The deep state, I'm talking about scooter Libyan Dick Cheney in this case.
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  They discovered somebody discovered these aluminum tubes.
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  Oh, these aluminum tubes must be part of a centrifuge operation inside Iraq for refining uh uranium.
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  This is the final nail in the coffin.
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  We've got them dead to rights.
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  They have these aluminum tubes, they're using it for uh refining deadly uh uranium, they're on the verge of a nuclear weapon.
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  Okay.
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  Our own guys in the energy department that deal with aluminum tubes and refining of uranium and hexaclorum, they said these tubes don't work.
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  That's not what these are for.
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  They don't fit, they don't configure, they're absolutely not related to that.
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  But nevertheless, Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby packaged this story up about these deadly aluminum tubes.
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  This is the now we've nailed it down, we've got the evidence.
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  They packaged it up and they gave it to the lapdog press.
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  They packaged it up and they gave it to the New York Times.
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  They gave it to Judith Miller at the New York Times, who had been fronting for a liar trying to get us in for into the war in Iraq for a long time, a guy named Ahmed Chalabi, who was a bank embezzler, but the neocon warmongers wanted to put him in charge of the entire country if we invaded.
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  She'd been fronting and writing his stories as though you know he were telling her the truth, which was widely known to have been false.
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  But uh, so anyway, she got the story about the aluminum tubes put on the front page of the Sunday morning New York Times, and that Sunday morning, Dick Cheney showed up on Meet the Press, and he said, nailed it down, aluminum tubes, weapons process, smoking gun, mushroom cloud, weapons of mass destruction, aluminum tubes.
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  But he said, But don't take it from me.
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  Here it is, on the front page of the New York Times.
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  So here's the story.
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  The deep state formulates, plants it, runs it to the uh lapdog press, the lapdog press feeds it back to the deep state, they feed it to the other lapdog press, and they go on TV and say, Nope, it's it must be true.
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  The New York Times told the story.
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  I mean, we are led down the primrose path by these people, as you know so well, it's not just in war, it's in your areas of specialty too, over and over and over again, and uh they're doing it again now.
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  You know, I remember when all that started, and there was a general that came out early, early on in when we first started, you know, carpet bombing Iraq and doing all the things that we were doing that said this is going to be a multi-year war, and it's gonna cost over a hundred billion dollars.
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  And everyone scoffed and said, No, it's gonna be just a couple of weeks, and we're gonna destroy their weapons of mass destruction, which we never found and they never had, and it was 20 years at the enormous financial cost and enormous human cost.
• 12:39
  And looking at these uh conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan and now Iran, who's ultimately going to pay the price for these wars in terms of taxpayer dollars and the broader global consequences of it.
• 12:51
  Yeah, and it's always us.
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  We're always we're always the recipients of the bill at the end of the day, whether it's flu through inflation or reduced circumstances in some other way.
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  But you mentioned the the business about the cost of the war.
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  I saw uh Secretary of Defense or War Pete Hagsith, I believe it was this morning saying, how long is the war last?
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  Well, you know, we we're not going to tell you, like they know, right?
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  Who knows?
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  But we're not going to tell you it could be five days.
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  And they've done this before from the beginning of this war, it could be five days, five weeks.
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  This is exactly to the letter what Donald Rumsfeld was telling us during the Iraq war.
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  It could be five days, five weeks, I doubt five months.
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  The war went on for almost nine years.
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  And speaking of the cost of the war, I have an uh an incident in my book about that.
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  There was an economist, the chief economist of the uh Bush administration, pretty good economist.
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  I read him occasionally, I thought he was you know fair for a White House economist.
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  And uh, they asked him going into the war, how much is this war going to cost us?
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  His answer was, well, it should it could cost us 50 billion dollars.
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  Dr.
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  T, they fired him for saying that.
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  50 billion dollars was so much they were furious at him for making the American people think it was going to be that costly.
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  They were furious at him for making the American people think it was going to be that costly.
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  And Dick Cheney ordered him fired, and they fired.
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  And Dick Cheney ordered him fired, and they fired.
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  It was an old Bush friend, and they fired him for saying 50 billion dollars.
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  He was an old Bush friend, and they fired him for saying 50 billion dollars.
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  Well, it wasn't five days, five weeks, five months.
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  Well, it wasn't five days, five weeks, five months.
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  The war went on for almost nine years, and it cost at least three trillion dollars.
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  The war went on for almost nine years, and it cost at least three trillion dollars.
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  So whatever they say, not just taken with a grain of salt, it must be immediately rejected.
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  So, whatever they say, not just taken with a grain of salt, it must be immediately rejected, and then you have to do your own you.
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  And then you have to do your own, you have to do some heavy lifting to try to corroborate anything that comes out of the empire of lies.
• 14:34
  Wow.
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  You know, in the introduction of your book, Empire of Lies, you use a Mark Twain quote that says, America cannot have cannot have an empire abroad and a republic at home.
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  With roughly 800 oversea military bases across 75 countries, we are already an empire abroad.
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  Who's minding the internal destruction of what's happening here with inflation and the trans agenda and all and all of the fraud that we've uncovered and all of the stuff that Doge was exposing that seems to have just gotten shelved.
• 15:12
  Who's minding the hen house here?
• 15:14
  No, but nobody is minding the hen house.
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  And the people that we elect as our elected representatives, this is a very peculiar psychological syndrome that these people are uh climbers, political climbers, all of their lives they want to get ahead, they want to get appointed, they work on campaigns, they insert themselves into the process, they're looking for political uh influence, they hope to get elected someday, and maybe maybe they'll get to Congress and that would be great, and then they get to Congress.
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  You know, there's an old saying that when you send your guy to Congress, somebody you know in the neighborhood or uh you grew up with or something, when you send him, once you send him to Washington, he's not your guy anymore.
• 15:48
  You know, they they don't just sell out, they buy in.
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  But uh nobody, nobody is minding the store, in my view, and despite all of the political conventions and speeches and the labor day rallies with political figures speaking and all of the stuff on TV, all the things they say about the constitutions, they don't believe a word of it.
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  And our founding fathers were learned people, unlike these people.
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  In fact, they weren't cowardly when they declared independence, they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor on uh in this episode.
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  So when they divided up government, being learned people, they didn't just say, we're dividing government, we're dividing government because we want to protect your liberties.
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  We don't want anybody amassing too much power here or there, so we'll give a little power here, a little power.
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  But they didn't just say one for you, one for me, one for him, one for you, one for me.
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  They said, knowing the historical precedence, they said, all right, throughout history, the executive branch, be it a duke, a king, a Caesar, a prince, a prime minister, a president, the executive branch has a propensity to engage in unneeded in elective and costly wars.
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  Therefore, we take the power for war making away from the president, and we give it to the representatives of the people who actually pay for it and die in these wars.
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  And uh through their representatives, they get to decide.
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  So that's the constitutional system.
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  We haven't had a declaration of war since World War II, although we've had nothing but a succession of wars.
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  And and it's not just a formality.
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  If you look at everything that is missing in all of these lore wars, um, a good deal of it would have been saved, solved, avoided by a declaration of war.
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  If you look at declarations of war, you specify who the enemy is exactly.
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  It's nothing vague, who the enemy is, what the objective is, what kind of resources we're going to dedicate to uh prevailing.
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  How do we know when we prevailed?
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  How do we know when the war is won?
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  How do we know when it's over and we could come back?
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  But we don't have that debate in this country, and we haven't had it for any of our wars since 1941.
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  And uh, so here are these peculiar people that spend their lives trying to amass uh political influence and power and stuff, but at the first hint, they run away from it.
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  They want deniability.
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  You know, if the war goes badly, they want it to be well, it's the president's fault, it's Secretary of State, Department of Defense.
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  You know, I didn't I, you know, I never voted for a war.
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  And of course they didn't vote for a war.
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  So they seek, they seek power as though it's some sort of uh uh renewal and vigoration of their lives that fills up the psyche hole that they all carry around with them.
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  But when they are asked to be responsible for that power, they run from it.
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  So that's so we have no debates, we have no end game.
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  We don't know why we got in exactly.
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  We don't know why we'll get out.
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  Did I mean a month ago the Strait of Hormoes was open?
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  Could we go back for a month?
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  Gas prices would be low again, the oil would be $60 again, free passage through the Strait of Humo's for everybody in the world.
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  Could we go back a month?
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  Well, now we now the president.
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  I wake up in the morning, the president says, Well, we might not bother to clear the open up the Strait of Hormuz now, you know, it's a lot of trouble, and maybe we maybe we're just not gonna worry about it.
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  After all, we're energy sufficient here in the United States.
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  So having having closed the prime waterway through uh an uh avoidable attack in the region.
• 19:20
  Now we're disclaiming it because poll Bush's poll numbers are down and people are unhappy.
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  Susie Wilde's hair is on fire about the price of gasoline in the November elections.
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  This is where we are today, in my view, Dr.
• 19:32
  T.
• 19:33
  Well, I totally agree with that.
• 19:35
  And it's like, but it's not just oil that goes through the Straits of Harmoose.
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  We're talking about all kinds of goods and shipping and food and fertilizer.
• 19:42
  And here we are in the spring in the northern hemisphere, uh, you know, uh in Europe, you know, and you know, like the Netherlands, one of the breadbaskets of the world, we've already bombed Ukraine into oblivion, and it was one of the bread baskets of the world.
• 19:56
  And now we're going to do the same thing, it appears to America by not being able to have fertilizer and things that are available here.
• 20:04
  Um, I've read a lot and I've heard that you know, we've got this oil suffrage uh thing that's happened, but the next thing seems to be a food shortage because we have food insecurity in this country, and it seems as though that's going to be a global problem since the big manufacturers of food, the US, Netherlands, Ukraine, are no longer going to be providing the food.
• 20:25
  What do you think about is that is that a real problem that we should be looking looking at?
• 20:30
  Dr.
• 20:30
  T, you and I are on the same page.
• 20:34
  And it's always this way, it's always fuel first, and then it's food later.
• 20:38
  And we are we are on the press of actually, in my view, we have already we are already over the edge, and we are descending into a remarkable global cataclysm.
• 20:52
  It is a remarkable global um uh uh crisis that is on our doorsteps.
• 20:57
  My one of my friends and I argue about whether it'll be visible to the American people in the summer or the fall.
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  American people in the summer or the fall.
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  He says the fall.
• 21:01
  He says the fall, I'm sure that it will be uh be real to everybody in their living experience by the summer for reasons about uh not just the fuel, but the food comes separate, second and other commodities, you know, the uh you know, microchips and stuff, helium production from that area of the world, and much, much more.
• 21:02
  I'm sure that it will be uh be real to everybody in their living experience by the summer for reasons about uh not just the fuel but the food comes separate second and other commodities, you know, the uh you know, microchips and stuff, helium production from that area of the world, and much, much more.
• 21:22
  But it's so vastly more complicated than uh than certainly this coming out of Washington, DC.
• 21:22
  But it's so vastly more complicated than uh then certainly this coming out of Washington, DC.
• 21:28
  If the shipping's
• 21:28
  If the shipping started again in the morning today, if it resumed today in the Strait of Hormoes, it's too late to avert the calamity.
• 21:39
  Supply lines that take years to build have been crushed, refining capacity, um, storage capacity, um exploration capacity, pumping capacity of fuel all over the world, the transportation facilities ruined.
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  It'll take years to replace it.
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  They can't just undo their folly by stopping where they are.
• 22:05
  They've done some grave, grave damage to the world.
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  And I I can tell you that you know, the I think in my, I think what we're facing is is stagflation, which is a portman too term.
• 22:19
  It means you know, it's partly stagnation and partly inflation.
• 22:22
  And the two worst of two worlds, a no-growth economy, but prices just keep climbing and climbing and climbing.
• 22:28
  The end of last quarter, last quarter, end of last year, the uh Washington had to reduce the reported rate of growth in the uh United States, the GDP of the United States in that quarter, they had to cut the rate of growth in half.
• 22:44
  When the numbers were all in, they cut their their report of how fast we were going in half.
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  At the same time, when the February producer price index came out, just look at the February numbers and you annualize it.
• 22:56
  It was like I believe it was uh seven-tenths of one percent in one month price increases at the producer level.
• 23:01
  That's producers, then it works its way to the consumer.
• 23:04
  But I mean, if you annualize that, that's eight percent inflation just at the producer level in February.
• 23:09
  So, and that is before oil prices started climbing.
• 23:14
  That is before airlines started saying, you know, we're gonna have to cut flights badly, people are stopping, you know, stopping vacations because they can't get transportation, they can't get through you know the TSA line.
• 23:25
  So, you know, the uh hospitality industry is in collapse.
• 23:28
  We've already alluded to the farmers that you know they they're looking, and it and it's not just uh, you know, it's not just the desperate need that they have for fertilizers of all sorts, but the heavy farm equipment they use.
• 23:40
  It runs on diesel, that's up 45%.
• 23:43
  So even if they stopped closing the Strait of Hormoes today and reopened it to traffic far too late.
• 23:49
  The calamity is set in motion, and we uh uh we are headed into something ugly.
• 23:55
  And in my view, it's the pro.
• 23:58
  You know, uh let me be mythological if I take a second for you.
• 24:02
  That you know, in Greek mythology, uh Prometheus was the benefactor of mankind.
• 24:07
  He stole fire from the gods, you know, it was like light, you know, we stole light, wisdom, ability to think.
• 24:13
  He stole it, and he paid a steep price for it.
• 24:15
  But he he was prometheus, and his name meant forethought.
• 24:19
  You think of things beforehand, and his brother was entirely different, and his brother was uh married to a woman named Pandora who unleashed all the evils of the world on us when she opened the box, but it's because her husband was epimetheus, which means afterthought.
• 24:38
  So you can either think of things beforehand and avert a crisis, or you can do what the White House and President Dr.
• 24:46
  President Trump is so uh practiced at doing, and only think of things once it's too late to do anything about it.
• 24:53
  It's always afterthought with these guys, always well.
• 24:58
  And uh Steve Whitcoff told me he's got you know a raft of people that could have told him a little bit about Straits and Hormoes and shutting down the global economy, doesn't consult them, and he only thinks about it afterwards.
• 25:10
  This is the mess that we're in.
• 25:13
  Well, and it doesn't seem to be ending anytime soon, you know.
• 25:15
  I think I um my for myself and a lot of most other people these days, we don't get our news from CNN and MS MSNBC and Fox.
• 25:24
  We get our news from podcasters and people that are actually boots on the ground investigating this.
• 25:29
  And uh everybody that I listened to or that I've heard is all saying, this isn't what we voted for.
• 25:35
  This is supposed to be the peace president.
• 25:37
  This was supposed to be the person I have avoided all these wars.
• 25:41
  I stopped seven wars, we're going to be America first, we're gonna, you know, build up American America first.
• 25:47
  And now suddenly this just seemed to come out of nowhere.
• 25:52
  But then you listen to people like Catherine Austin Fitz, who's uh you know, a good friend of mine, and I've had her on the show, and we've had other offline conversations about that.
• 26:00
  She feels like Trump was selected and put in place to create the control grid and all of these things, the monetary system, the oil, the what's happening in the Straits of Armoose and all that was all pre-planned to uh to implement the control grid here in the United States of Palantir and Oracle and all the things that are that are happening with the big data centers that's sucking up all of our aquifer water and shutting down communities.
• 26:29
  Do you feel like she's on track with that?
• 26:32
  Well, I mean, who would dispute that there's a lot of dark stuff going on?
• 26:36
  And the deep state, the deep state is completely in charge.
• 26:40
  I mean, it's you know, I like I like to use the term the deep state because it, you know, it's there's something kind of threatening about the term itself, and it shows where they're located and how deep they are.
• 26:51
  But people have to realize how widespread the deep state's operations are.
• 26:54
  I mean, it is simple to say, well, it is John Brennan and it is uh James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, and it's uh and it's Brennan at the CIA, and that's the deep state.
• 27:05
  It goes much, much deeper than that.
• 27:08
  There's a myriad of uh minor petty bureaucrats all throughout government that serve the deep state, and it's a hive mind thing.
• 27:16
  Nobody has nobody has to tell them they don't have to get you know orders handed down in the morning, they all serve the same purpose, just like the bees in the beehive.
• 27:24
  There's some worker bees, some tend to the queen, some fan to exhaust the you know, the the refresh the temperatures, and so they all have different jobs, but they never sting each other.
• 27:35
  And the deep state works exactly like that.
• 27:38
  And and just to give you one example, I mean, in the first Trump administration, there was a lieutenant colonel in the National Security Council named Vinman, and Colonel Venman is a guy that basically started the uh first impeachment against uh against President Trump.
• 27:54
  And what did he tell Congress was the problem?
• 27:56
  Well, he was he was uh uh flogging this impeachment effort of President Trump because President Trump did not agree with what he called the interagency consensus.
• 28:00
  Effort of President Trump because President Trump did not agree with what he called the interagency consensus.
• 28:09
  Wow.
• 28:09
  Wow, where is the interagency in the constant?
• 28:10
  Where is the interagency in the constant?
• 28:13
  Who gets to vote on?
• 28:13
  Who gets to vote on who's a member?
• 28:14
  Who's a member?
• 28:15
  How do they make their decisions?
• 28:15
  How do they make their decisions?
• 28:16
  Who profits from them?
• 28:16
  Who profits from them?
• 28:17
  Uh, where can I read the minutes of their meetings?
• 28:17
  Where can I read the minutes of their meetings?
• 28:19
  How are all these things decided?
• 28:19
  How are all these things decided?
• 28:21
  And exactly what amendment of the Constitution created the interagency.
• 28:21
  And exactly what amendment of the constitution created the interagency.
• 28:26
  He's he's defined the interagency.
• 28:26
  He's he's defined the interagency, uh, the interagents.
• 28:28
  Uh, the interagency um ideals.
• 28:32
  But this is a description really of the deep state.
• 28:36
  This is the permanent bureaucracy that uh, you know, that that serves the interests of the global American empire, the acquisition of ever greater and greater power and authority away from the people, and uh, and then its use in all kinds of uh uh crazy and demented ways.
• 28:52
  You'll eat bugs and you'll like it, you'll own nothing and you like it.
• 28:56
  You know, you if you run if you're run if you run on the beach by yourself, you don't have a mask on, you're a felon.
• 29:01
  Yeah, I mean, you know this stuff better than I do.
• 29:04
  Hold that thought right there, Charles, because we can't we're up against a hard break here.
• 29:08
  So hold that thought.
• 29:08
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• 35:23
  Well, welcome back, everyone.
• 35:24
  Today our conversation is with New York Times bestselling author, an award-winning talk show host, Charles Goyette, to talk about his book, The Empire of Lies, Fragments from the Memory Hole, an account of deadly folly, moral failure, war profiteering, and ruthless manipulation of the public that so applies to what's happening today.
• 35:45
  Let me tell you just a little bit more about our guest.
• 35:47
  Charles is a New York Times bestselling author and award-winning talk show host.
• 35:51
  He's appeared on appeared often on national television, including Fox and CNN, known for his outspoken opposition to President Bush's elective Iraq war.
• 36:01
  Charles served on the National Speakers Bureau of High Frontier, a leading public policy organization.
• 36:08
  He was a news anchor with the Armed Forces Radio and Television Service and a recipient of the Army Commendation Medal for Meredith Service.
• 36:17
  Man, that is quite a resume, Charles.
• 36:19
  And that's only the tip of the iceberg of all the things that I could say about your illustrious background.
• 36:24
  So thank you so much for being on the show today and having this great conversation about the deep state and all the things that are happening.
• 36:33
  Well, thank you for having me.
• 36:34
  I'm going to cut my uh my bio my biographical material in half because it's goes on much too long as it is.
• 36:41
  So you know, the U.S.
• 36:44
  Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war.
• 36:46
  And like you've already said, we really haven't declared any war because nobody wants to take the blame.
• 36:52
  Um, how does this imbalance of war powers get us involved in everything?
• 36:57
  I mean, we've got we've got military bases everywhere.
• 37:00
  And who really decides when America goes to war.
• 37:05
  Well, you know, I like to look at some of the psychological background for this, and I identify an Empire of Lies.
• 37:11
  I identify a really important, I call it a medical malady, and it's not in any of the standard psychiatric diagnostic manuals, but it should be because it's very dangerous, it's very deadly.
• 37:24
  And so I've given it the name Combat Envy.
• 37:27
  And uh this is this is a phenomenon, this is a syndrome that shows up in people that are busy selling us these wars.
• 37:34
  And uh just to give you a couple of very visible examples, uh, let's start with well, let's start with Brian Williams.
• 37:41
  He was the primary anchor on MBC News for many years.
• 37:44
  And uh he flew in as a reporter to the first Gulf War on a helicopter.
• 37:49
  And after that was over, he started embellishing the tale of his adventure.
• 37:54
  And it got bigger and more harrowing, and before long he was talking about, oh, we got RPGs coming at us, we had a corkscrew landing, it was so dangerous, and then the and and then one hit the windshield or the of the copter, and you know, and people came in, and it just got worse and worse and embellished beyond beyond belief.
• 38:13
  And so some of the guys that were actually on the mission, they don't take reporters on the dangerous missions, but the some of the guys that were on the mission finally went to Stars and Stripes and they blew the whistle on him.
• 38:24
  They said, you know, this was we this we were on this mission.
• 38:28
  Brian Williams was on a different mission later.
• 38:30
  He there was no fire, there was no RPG coming at him, there was no threat to him at all.
• 38:36
  This is all made up.
• 38:37
  And when he was confronted with that, combat envy, I call it, when he was confronted with the truth, he didn't just take, you know, blame for it.
• 38:45
  Oh, yeah, you know, I'm sorry, I'm blue thing.
• 38:48
  He said, Oh, oh, I I must have had a brain tumor.
• 38:53
  Maybe I have a brain tumor.
• 38:55
  I mean, it's just it's so absurd.
• 38:57
  But to revert back to General Electric, the owner of NBC, this is and a major defense contractor.
• 39:04
  This is the respect they have for the people because they kept him on.
• 39:08
  So these reporters are supposed to tell us about things far away that they little understand.
• 39:12
  They're supposed to make things clear in simple terms to things they know least, but about the things they know best, their own experiences, they can lie to us.
• 39:20
  And the network keeps him on.
• 39:21
  And the network, the chairman of the network said, well, you know, he never criticizes the military.
• 39:25
  Well, of course, he doesn't want anybody criticizing the military because that's their bread and butter.
• 39:30
  So they suspended him for a couple of weeks, a couple months, I don't really remember, and they put him on as primary anchor of MSNBC.
• 39:37
  So this is this is combat envy.
• 39:39
  They have a hole in their psyches.
• 39:42
  Fox had a guy for years named Wayne Simmons.
• 39:45
  He came on there for years, and uh he was a CIA veteran national security terrorism expert.
• 39:54
  And they liked him because of the warmongering things he said, it's good for ratings.
• 39:59
  It's a Fox News alert.
• 40:00
  It spikes ratings, that you know, the the toxins of fear start flooding your body, the you know, the brass uh band starts thumping and stuff.
• 40:09
  Oh, it's a Fox News alert.
• 40:10
  And so they used him over and over again.
• 40:12
  And uh as long as 15 years ago, he was uh he was calling for a land and ground invasion of Iran, like 15 years ago.
• 40:21
  Everything he said was off the charts, but they liked him for it.
• 40:25
  So anyway, this went on for years, and finally, some guys in actually in the CIA got a little embarrassed by him, and they called him out.
• 40:35
  And it turned out that he'd never been in the CIA.
• 40:38
  You know, he was no national security expert.
• 40:40
  He was a hot tub manager and a uh a felon.
• 40:45
  And uh, I don't remember what else was in his resume, but it was pretty thin.
• 40:49
  And so they got rid of him, but it's combat envy.
• 40:52
  And it doesn't do any harm if you meet somebody in, you know, in a bar or something, and they say, Oh, I was a green beret in Vietnam, and they're you know, puffing themselves up because they feel inadequate for it.
• 41:02
  That's moderately uh innocent, but these people that do it on the national platforms, you know, it's very deadly.
• 41:08
  Another one, how about Bill O'Reilly, primary warmonger guy on Fox News?
• 41:14
  Bill O'Reilly told the story about when he was in the war in the Falklands, and anybody can find him on YouTube talking about, you know, when I lead my men in battle.
• 41:24
  Well, he never led any men in battle, and he was never in the Falklands, and he was never in the war in the Falklands, despite his repeated contention about it.
• 41:33
  And oh, I'm in a war situation in the Falklands one time when you know I had to drag my camera in whatever.
• 41:39
  It he was never in the Falklands, but it got worse than that.
• 41:42
  You know, he started talking about, well, I've seen nuns get shot in the head.
• 41:45
  I think he was talking about the civil disorder in Central America back in the uh back in the 80s, but he he didn't see those either.
• 41:52
  It was, you know, he'd seen photos, but you saw the Zapruder film, Dr.
• 41:56
  T.
• 41:56
  So would you come out and say, Oh, I was there, I was a witness to Kennedy's assassination.
• 42:00
  I mean, it's just nonsense.
• 42:00
  I mean, it's just nonsense.
• 42:02
  And it got worse than that.
• 42:02
  And it got worse than that.
• 42:03
  I haven't read his book about Killing Kennedy, but I am told reliably that in Kenneth Killing Kennedy, he says he was on the front porch in Florida of a kind of an Oswald associate, kind of a crazy gray image of the nexus between the CIA and Oswald when a guy by the name George DeMoranshill, the CIA guy, blew his head off with a shotgun.
• 42:03
  I haven't read his book about Killing Kennedy, but I am told reliably that in Kenneth Killing Kennedy, he says he was on the front porch in Florida of a kind of an Oswald associate, kind of a crazy gray image of the nexus between the CIA and Oswald when a guy by the name George DeMoranshill, the CIA guy, blew his head off with a shotgun.
• 42:24
  He said, Well, I rang rang the doorbell and then heard the shotgun blast or something to that effect.
• 42:24
  He said, Well, I rang, rang the doorbell and then heard the shotgun blast or something to that effect.
• 42:28
  The only thing is he wasn't in Florida.
• 42:28
  The only thing is he wasn't in Florida.
• 42:30
  He wasn't there.
• 42:32
  He was in another state.
• 42:33
  He was in Texas.
• 42:34
  Somebody came up with a uh recorded phone call of him calling from the newsroom where he actually worked in Texas about some other story.
• 42:40
  So this all of this stuff is made up, but it's combat envy.
• 42:43
  And it's so pronounced in the people that thump their chests and try to drive us into these wars.
• 42:49
  So that's you know, just part of the media's complicity uh about it.
• 42:53
  But it's it's it's very dangerous, and everything these people say has to be corroborated because it's not it's not prima facie true.
• 43:01
  You know, most people independently don't do a lot of individual um independent deep diving research.
• 43:08
  They just don't.
• 43:09
  I mean, you know, I think that when Twitter first came about and the 24 characters that you know, you had to learn how to communicate in 24 characters, really shortened our attention spans.
• 43:20
  And now we've got TikTok and you know, the the new algorithms on Instagram are like if it's longer than two minutes, people won't watch it, or they'll just, you know, they'll just scroll through to something else.
• 43:31
  And so when you've got people that you're supposed to trust and you think are doing deep dives, like you mentioned Brian Williams and Bill O'Reilly, and I would throw a Hannity into that into that thing right there.
• 43:44
  I mean, who who do you who do you listen to?
• 43:47
  And how do you know if any of it's real?
• 43:50
  Well, uh, the only thing people can do is is to question everything.
• 43:54
  And when they're told something by somebody they even like or they have a sense of trust in, hold it in abeyance.
• 43:59
  But uh you can accept it and operate on it, but hold it in abeyance.
• 44:02
  Everything should be subject to verification.
• 44:04
  But you need to find people that are reliable and stuff.
• 44:07
  You have a huge following of people that have learned to rely on what you say.
• 44:10
  I have a following of people that have learned to rely on what I say because I'm doing the work that they're raising their families, they're trying to earn a living, they're trying to, you know, put air in the tires and fix the car.
• 44:20
  You know, they've got lives to, you know, they don't have the time that I have or that you have to deep dive into these things.
• 44:25
  And so they develop uh, you know, kind of a set of trusted people, and uh I that's a good place to start.
• 44:34
  And uh, but it ain't it ain't in the mainstream.
• 44:37
  It ain't Sean Hannity who told us over and over again, oh, the Iraq's missing weapons of mass destruction.
• 44:42
  I think I think they uh secreted them, they smuggled them into Syria.
• 44:46
  I mean, it's nonsense.
• 44:47
  The stuff is nonsense that these people say.
• 44:50
  So people need to uh, you know, learn who they can trust through repeated experience and always always try to corroborate when they have time.
• 44:59
  You know, you have a lot of historical examples in your book, uh, Empire of Lies, which is really, really good and really informative because it's all right there, all squeezed in together.
• 45:09
  You know, and we American people seem to end up like the victims of all of this stuff.
• 45:14
  And right now it seems as though Congress is doing nothing except kind of finger pointing and like yelling, and we're approaching the midterms, and there's a lot of conversation and discussion about, you know, because the the margins are already pretty thin in terms of the Republicans, and that, you know, what are we going to end up with after the midterms this time?
• 45:33
  I'm not sure that it matters.
• 45:34
  I mean, the Uniparty has taken over everything, but Congress seems to be doing nothing to intervene with all of the problems that are happening here in this country right now, while Trump is just running rogue around the world doing the things that he's doing.
• 45:49
  What can Americans do?
• 45:51
  What is there anything that we can do to take back our constitutional republic?
• 45:58
  Well, my answer to that is never very satisfying to people, but I'm trying to be realistic about it.
• 46:04
  Um, first of all, the the backstory is that empires, like the global American Empire, and you talked about the proliferation of our bases and our military presence around the globe.
• 46:14
  Empires end up very often the exact same way, and it's called imperial overstretch.
• 46:21
  And the empire, the might of the empire, the might of the American people, the might of the British Empire, the Roman Empire was a result of their productivity.
• 46:28
  I mean, they were rich, and it was because they were rich that they could afford to have an empire and go into foreign lands and stuff.
• 46:34
  They shouldn't have done it perhaps, but that's what enabled them to do it because they were prosperous.
• 46:39
  They had a free economy, a relatively free economy, and the people prospered, and then the state creamed what it could, skimmed off what it could, and went off in its foreign adventurism, not on behalf of the people, but on behalf of the Caesars and the kings of the presidents.
• 46:56
  So, you know, what they do is when they start to lose an empire starts to lose its dominance, when it starts to lose its global hegemony, new competitors arise for markets and stuff, and uh their uh circumstances on the face of the globe is starting to wane.
• 47:12
  They don't understand that this is a problem that is caused by their waning productivity, by their growing impoverishment of their circumstances, the people aren't as prosperous, growth is slowing.
• 47:25
  They look at these problems not at the core of what made them powerful in the first place, their wealth, the productivity of the free people.
• 47:32
  They look at it as a challenge to their global military authority, and so they divert even more money from the productive sectors of the economy to sustain the empire.
• 47:44
  And this is exactly what we are doing now.
• 47:46
  So we have military adventurism all over the globe.
• 47:49
  We're grabbing countries.
• 47:51
  I understand that you know Cuba's next and so on.
• 47:54
  We're grabbing countries, we're depleting the people's prosperity.
• 47:57
  We spend a trillion dollars on the war state right now, which is probably more than I don't even keep up with it anymore.
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  The next seven or eight countries, probably seven countries combined.
• 48:06
  We spend more than that, but it's not enough.
• 48:08
  Now they need a 200 billion dollar supplemental appropriation for the war in Iraq.
• 48:13
  Now President Trump wants instead of a trillion dollar uh war budget, he wants a 1.5 trillion dollar budget.
• 48:19
  Where is he going to get the money?
• 48:20
  We're 39 trillion dollars in debt that we cannot pay, and that's only the visible portion of the debt that is available, visible, as you know, above the waterline, much bigger is the hidden portion of the debt, the unfunded liabilities, and yet they want to divert more money.
• 48:35
  Historically, it matches the imperial overstretch model that they divert more money from the productive people from the health and the prosperity of the American people.
• 48:45
  They divert it to the war machine, and pretty soon they've stretched the rubber band so tight that the productivity evaporates, and uh the empire collapses anyway.
• 48:54
  This is this is where we are.
• 48:55
  So when you say what can be done about it, all I can really tell you, I mean, this this is a motion that's in progress right now.
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  This is a motion that's in progress right now.
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  This imperial overstretches it.
• 49:02
  This imperial overstretches it, and it's an in-game motion.
• 49:04
  And it's an in-game motion.
• 49:06
  It doesn't end nicely.
• 49:06
  It doesn't end nicely.
• 49:07
  So my only answer, and I think it's one you'll certainly agree with is the best we can do is massive decentralization of our lives.
• 49:07
  So my only answer, and I think it's one you'll certainly agree with the best we can do is massive decentralization of our lives.
• 49:18
  Decentralization of power and authority from the central government, return to the states to the basic unit of government to the county, decentralization of our education, decentralization of all of these institutions.
• 49:18
  Decentralization of power and authority from the central government, return to the states to the basic unit of government to the county, decentralization of our education, decentralization of all of these institutions that want to, you know, I have made the difference in my state legislature in state issues because you could go down there, you know, take two or three people and knock on a few doors, and they're afraid you're going to do something.
• 49:41
  You know, you can make a difference locally.
• 49:43
  But if you try to make a difference in Washington, DC, it takes millions of dollars and it takes a heck of a lot of people.
• 49:50
  So we need to decentralize everything because uh decentralize our our food production, decentralize our energy uh supplies, decentralize everything.
• 50:01
  And that's the only way we can cushion the blow of this imperial overstretch, in my view.
• 50:06
  You know, I I heard somewhere recently that the debt is really closer to 55 trillion dollars, 55 trillion dollars is where we are, which is impossible.
• 50:16
  You know, it's just an impossible number.
• 50:18
  And I also heard that there's a movement in the states to try to get the sheriffs put underneath ice, and the sheriff on a local level is the the highest authority of the land, and people really don't take advantage of making nice and getting to know their sheriff and and getting them on our side of taking back our freedoms and our that are local because you know, all politics is local.
• 50:45
  And so it's um I agree with you that we've got to get back to what's happening in our own neighborhoods, which can be a little bit frightening, you know, because of the divide the of the division between the left and the and the right, which you know, we've got Uniparty in DC, but we've got left and right on our on our streets, you know, across the street of how that's going to happen.
• 51:06
  You know, and and you've done so much research into your Empire of Lies book that you've really laid out an incredible plan of history.
• 51:14
  When you were doing, and we've got just a few minutes left in our show, but uh which I think I you and I are so much on the same page.
• 51:21
  I think we could talk for these.
• 51:22
  I think we could go on.
• 51:24
  No question.
• 51:25
  Um, and some of when you were doing the research to put this together, you're already already very knowledgeable and know a lot about history.
• 51:33
  What was what do you think your some of your biggest surprises were that as you dug things out?
• 51:38
  And and uh the biggest surprises in your research that we can apply to what's happening now, so we can take a different direction.
• 51:46
  Well, well, I maybe it's not a surprise, but uh it should have been a surprise to all of us, and it was certainly a major disappointment to me, was to see how fast, how quickly a big section of Trump supporters of the MAGA movement were willing to change their tune when they elected him on a no regime change wars, America for America, and we need to rebuild our country and our prosperity and stuff.
• 52:11
  And when all of a sudden, when all of a sudden he started talking about different countries that we want to take this one, and we want to take that one, and it was always a might makes right thing.
• 52:20
  I I uh was on a radio show recently where the fellow said, Well, I liked what we did with Maduro.
• 52:25
  And I said, Well, do you do you like it if uh you know if China takes uh kidnaps the leader of Taiwan or the Philippines?
• 52:32
  I mean, you want to live in a madmax world in which everything descends into chaos and there's no rule of law.
• 52:37
  So I was really disappointed in the MAGA supporters, but all it took was a little chest thumping, and yeah, by gosh, we got to go in there, yeah.
• 52:44
  We're we'll we'll show them a lesson, we'll take them.
• 52:47
  Well, and how quickly, and it didn't, it certainly divided MAGA in my view.
• 52:52
  It didn't take all of the people, the MAGA supporters, but it took a big chunk of them that went unthinkingly along with this nonsense.
• 52:59
  And uh so uh in my view, you know, the make America first movement is over, it's totally finished.
• 53:06
  Cataclysm, a debacle is coming for uh the party politically in the fall.
• 53:13
  Um, you know, if you thought if you thought Biden was bad or you thought uh Kamala Harris was a disaster or a kind of a moron, or if you thought, you know, if I mean this divide in the in uh the MAGA movement, the ending of this coalition, this coalition is totally dead, and the ending of this coalition is gonna bequeath us something really, really bad when the other guys take over.
• 53:38
  That's where we're going.
• 53:39
  And who can we blame for it?
• 53:41
  People have to look at how they've been betrayed and how they're you know, their hopes for electing the president that would uh take care of America first has uh flip-flopped on them.
• 53:50
  That's that's my view.
• 53:52
  Yeah, I totally agree with that.
• 53:53
  And it is it's a little bit frightening looking ahead to the next election.
• 53:57
  Like who's gonna go step into that gap?
• 53:59
  Is it gonna be JD Vance?
• 54:01
  Is it gonna be Vivek?
• 54:02
  Is it you know, who's it gonna be in?
• 54:04
  I think America, all the American people are just sort of tired of all of it.
• 54:09
  So good.
• 54:10
  I think they are in the last minute here that we've got together here.
• 54:16
  Uh what would you say on your book, The Empire of Lies, Fragments from the Memory Hole?
• 54:21
  Give us a one-minute summary of what you want to leave people with today and why people should get your book and read it.
• 54:28
  Well, it's it's not really a work.
• 54:31
  It looks as though it's a work of history, and I've recounted historical things, and there's a fair amount of that, but I'm trying to show the trajectory where we're headed.
• 54:38
  You know, the the memory hole, fragments from the memory hole, that comes from 1984 by George and Orwell.
• 54:44
  And when they wanted to torture people, this all-encompassing, all powerful state, when they wanted to torture somebody, they took them to the ministry of love.
• 54:51
  And when they wanted to rewrite history, which they did all the time and which goes on here, they went to the Ministry of Truth to rewrite history.
• 55:00
  Well, we live in a ministry of truth era, and all of our history is being rewritten.
• 55:04
  So the American people don't know where we're going.
• 55:06
  And when these things come up, like the uh the Iran situation and the next one down the pike and the one after that, if we're still around, they don't they don't have anything to refer to.
• 55:15
  They don't see the trajectory.
• 55:17
  So I try to explain these things in terms of, you know, here's where we are, and here's how we got here.
• 55:22
  And here's the modus operandi that the deep state uses to stampede you into their next objective or their next war.
• 55:29
  And here is how to value the truth instead of uh instead of ignoring the truth.
• 55:34
  Here's how to hold them accountable and value the truth.
• 55:37
  So that's the point of the book.
• 55:38
  And nobody can read that book and come away without their eyes being open to a lot of different things about uh, you know, where they're stampeding us today.
• 55:46
  Well, I would really totally agree with that.
• 55:48
  And it's really it's really well written.
• 55:50
  It's it's informative and it just sort of draws you in as you read it.
• 55:54
  You just it's a page turner that I think is really, really good.
• 55:57
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• 56:23
  So, Charles, I want to thank you so much for writing this book.
• 56:23
  So Charles, I want to thank you so much for writing this book.
• 56:25
  Thank you for being a great guest on our show today.
• 56:25
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• 56:28
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• 56:32
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• 56:45
  So have a great rest of your day everybody goodbye and God bless