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Is Alex Murdaugh Believable? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. The evidence coming fast and
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Speaker 1: furious from the witness stand in the Alex Murder double
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Speaker 1: murder trial. In the last moments, the prosecutor, who's got
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Speaker 1: him across examination, asked, you know what you're just now
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Speaker 1: telling us you were really at the kennels after you've
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Speaker 1: been denying it since the night of the murders. Well,
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Speaker 1: the defense has already jumped up like a jack in
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Speaker 1: a box. I got to give him credit for speed
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Speaker 1: and objected based on the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.
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Speaker 1: Here's the kicker. Their client chose not to remain silent
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Speaker 1: and has taken the stand. And oh, I'm hearing in
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Speaker 1: my ear joining me right now. Crime scene expert and
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Speaker 1: star of a new hit podcast, Zone seven and founder
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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum is
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Speaker 1: with us. Cheryl, all this time he's been saying I
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Speaker 1: was not at the kennels, and now suddenly at trial
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Speaker 1: that story changes. That's what I'm saying, Cheryl, And maybe
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Speaker 1: that's a good example that the defense will sit back
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Speaker 1: and wait and watch to see what the state puts up,
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Speaker 1: and then they will craft and tell her their defense
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Speaker 1: strategy based on the evidence the jury has heard, such as,
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Speaker 1: once all the financial crimes came in, he now is saying, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I did that, and I'm so proud. I've been sober
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Speaker 1: for what had What did he say, Jackie three hundred
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Speaker 1: five hundred days since I guess since he's been in jail,
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Speaker 1: so he'll take that. Before he would never have admitted
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Speaker 1: to that, But now since it got into evidence, the
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Speaker 1: story is changing. Now since his voice has been identified
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Speaker 1: as being in those kennels with Paul and Maggie about
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Speaker 1: two or three minutes before they're murdered, he said, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was there, now that I think about it, I
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Speaker 1: was there then I left. So we see a strategy
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Speaker 1: go ahead. We grew up in a profession that says,
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Speaker 1: if you lie about one thing, you've lied about everything.
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Speaker 1: So once he's admitting, oh yeah, I lied about that,
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Speaker 1: I live the whole time. I lied to everybody. I
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Speaker 1: lied to clients, I learned, you know, I lied to
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Speaker 1: law partners, I lied to my children, I lied to
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Speaker 1: my wife, alied to my parents, alied to my brothers.
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Speaker 1: Then what to say, You're not lying right now about that,
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Speaker 1: you didn't do it? So the jury's going to have
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Speaker 1: a lot to absorb with this to recognize he lied,
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Speaker 1: which also dramatically changes that timeline. So now you've got
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Speaker 1: what two minutes before you leave and this killer supposedly
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Speaker 1: shows up. They're gonna have a hard time buying that.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, I took some notes on that during testimony yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I mean they're going to have to argue that he
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Speaker 1: was at the kennels, then he leaves. Then within the
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Speaker 1: next three minutes the killers see him leave and then
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Speaker 1: race him committed double murder? What's the motive? And then
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Speaker 1: leave before he can get back. I'm laughing so hard.
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Speaker 1: You got to hear this. I was looking at social
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Speaker 1: last night. Some people say you're the one that always
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Speaker 1: brings the dog aspect in why didn't the dogs bark?
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Speaker 1: That's not what made me laugh. It was this one
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Speaker 1: from someone named Adorable deplorable. She says, OMG, I guess
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Speaker 1: he's doing eighty mph at nine pm when to see
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Speaker 1: his mom when the caregiver called him at three fifty
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Speaker 1: eight to tell him his mom was agitated, and at
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock that she sound asleep. So he's a flying
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Speaker 1: eighty mph to get there at eighty mph back, and
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Speaker 1: then she also writes later, Oh, I was wrong. He
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Speaker 1: always goes eighty mph down that country road. Cheryl McCallum
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Speaker 1: can tell you something. I think I told you this.
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Speaker 1: I was heading back to the courtroom on a Sunday night,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to cook supper and eat with the
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Speaker 1: children by Sunday night before I left, So we did that,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't get into the car until almost eight
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Speaker 1: o'clock at night. For a really long drive. There were
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Speaker 1: no street light, Cheryl. I mean, we're used to it
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Speaker 1: having grown up in the country, but it was pitch dark.
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Speaker 1: All I saw were about literally about forty deer and
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Speaker 1: I don't even know how many possums I dodged on
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Speaker 1: those back rows. There was no way that he was
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Speaker 1: I mean, eighty miles an hour. There had to be
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Speaker 1: some pretty strong motivation for him to fly back at
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Speaker 1: eighty mph exactly. But you and I are two people
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Speaker 1: that our mantra is timeline timeline timeline. Now from his life,
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Speaker 1: that timeline has changed, and what is so significant to
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Speaker 1: me is not only the placement of where he was,
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Speaker 1: but he cannot give you a reasonable explanation as a
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Speaker 1: member of the bar as an officer of the court,
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Speaker 1: that he would ever lie about his whereabouts on that day,
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Speaker 1: minute by minute, he would know more than anybody. He
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Speaker 1: was damaging that case. And that's what he's done. I mean,
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Speaker 1: even if he you know, let's just say he didn't
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Speaker 1: do it. Why would you lie about where you freaking wren.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna make it look bad. I saw him. Oh
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Speaker 1: it looks bad. I saw him on direct examination, Cheryl
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Speaker 1: explaining away with softball questions from his trial attorney many
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Speaker 1: of the issues that had come up during trial. For instance,
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Speaker 1: his story now is I was at the right how
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Speaker 1: did he work Kennel? Was at the Kenels? I was
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Speaker 1: at the Kennels. No, No, he was talking about after supper. Actually,
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Speaker 1: his story still doesn't make sense because the Kennel visit
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Speaker 1: was just before he would have left to go to
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Speaker 1: his mom's house at Almida. But he's now saying he
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Speaker 1: went into Moselle, the hunting lodge, that he was tired,
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Speaker 1: that he took a shower and he had the air
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Speaker 1: condition going, and you know what that means out the country,
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Speaker 1: you can't hear anything outside the house with the AC on,
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Speaker 1: and that the TV was on to try to explain
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Speaker 1: away why he didn't hear multiple shots riddling his wife
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Speaker 1: and son with bullets. That's his new thing. I had
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Speaker 1: the AC on. Sorry, I didn't hear all the gunshots
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Speaker 1: outside my door because I had the acing the TV on.
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Speaker 1: That's his new thing. But you I want you to
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Speaker 1: address that. But also you sat Officer of the Court, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: have you seen that he had a badge. He had
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Speaker 1: his badge and either dads or grandfather's badge and would
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Speaker 1: leave it opening his cupholder in his car if he
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Speaker 1: got pulled over for speeding so the shar the trooper
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Speaker 1: could see it so he would get a warmer reception
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Speaker 1: from police. And then the night of the Mallory Beach
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Speaker 1: boat crash, the state really did a good job. They
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Speaker 1: went and pulled video and photos of him going to
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Speaker 1: the hospital that night with his badge the shield hanging
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Speaker 1: out of his pocket to gain access to go talk
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Speaker 1: to everybody on the boat on the boat to get
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Speaker 1: them to change their testimony. Well, did you even learn
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Speaker 1: that Malory Beach's mom asked if she could go down
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Speaker 1: to the water's edge where they were all gathered when
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Speaker 1: they were still searching for her daughter, and they refused
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Speaker 1: to allow her to go down. But then when she
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Speaker 1: when Murdoch shows up with his badge out, he and
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Speaker 1: his wife were able to go right down to the
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Speaker 1: water's edge and talked to all the first responders. Again,
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Speaker 1: there's a professional courtesy and there is just outright deliberate
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Speaker 1: confusion that you're allowing to take place that should have
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Speaker 1: never happened. He should have never been allowed to go
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Speaker 1: down there. You know, since i'll have the District Attorney's office,
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Speaker 1: I have never once displayed my badge that's impersonating an
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Speaker 1: officer if you do that. I showed it to viewers
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Speaker 1: yesterday because it's the same fold out that Murdoch had.
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Speaker 1: But that is actually against the law to use a
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Speaker 1: badge when you are no longer in law enforcement. So
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Speaker 1: but he was certainly using. Oh, which leads me to
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Speaker 1: the next thing. Did you know Mardon got a blue
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Speaker 1: light for his personal vehicle and he used to what
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Speaker 1: to get to Jimmy John's. I mean, why would he
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Speaker 1: need a blue light, you know, to make better time?
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Speaker 1: Get the fake visited Mama? I reckon and Nanty. Can
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Speaker 1: you imagine if you had taken that badge when we
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Speaker 1: were in an Aruba and you just played it to
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Speaker 1: those officers like don't you know who who we're trying
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Speaker 1: to arrest us? And you were such a big cheryl,
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Speaker 1: such a big hell. Yeah, I like I told you,
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Speaker 1: like I told you there. I love you, but I
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Speaker 1: don't want to go to Gami. Look, I'm looking for
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Speaker 1: something to stay out to make the bell payment. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I was taking on four guys. Did you notice they
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Speaker 1: were dressed like swat officers, like red dog and they're
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Speaker 1: solid black chasing down you. Me and bath Twitty, Like,
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Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Unarmed and our sweatpants? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: You would best together maybe way one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: five pounds. Thank you very much for that. I've stood
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Speaker 1: back there and I'm like, look how huge these men are,
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Speaker 1: and y'all were both so tiny. They were all like westfrigerators. Hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: I got something else to tell you. I was looking
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Speaker 1: on social West night and all of a sudden, you know,
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdock is suddenly for the first time using endearing
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Speaker 1: moniker's nicknames for I wanted to ask you. Yes, you
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Speaker 1: have to hear this. This is from um hold on,
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Speaker 1: this is from Sally Thompson on Twitter. She wrote it
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Speaker 1: up the best. I cannot even take credit for that
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Speaker 1: with a straight base. Ready, this is Alex Murdock speaking.
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Speaker 1: Mags and Pawpau have been talking to Row Row, Stinky Led,
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Speaker 1: Little Jimmy and sat Head have heard about the pill
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Speaker 1: pills from Handsome and dembel table. He told bus bussing
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Speaker 1: m he threatened to call the Pope Poe on the
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Speaker 1: talkie talkie. I love that. I have to demrinize it
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Speaker 1: and say it to the jury with a straight face. Okay,
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Speaker 1: there's no way to jury see through this crop because
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Speaker 1: he's trying to make it seem like, oh, we were
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Speaker 1: all so close and Paul was nothing but a fabulous person,
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Speaker 1: and we even called him Paul Paul and then Mags.
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Speaker 1: But again, that ain't how he referred to anybody on
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call. That's not how we refer
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Speaker 1: to them in the interrogation tapes. And I'll tell you something.
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Speaker 1: What Shally just wrote up, I think is what the
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Speaker 1: jurors are hearing, because you know, part of what they
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Speaker 1: were saying the way he talks, nobody's buying it for.
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's going to be a family video.
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Speaker 1: There's not gonna be anything where he's talking to them
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Speaker 1: like that. I'm okay, just because I've been reading at
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Speaker 1: non stop this morning. I was going to read it again.
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Speaker 1: Mags and Papaul had been talking to Roro, Stinky Leg,
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Speaker 1: Little Jimmy and fat Head who heard about peel peels
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Speaker 1: from a handsome and Debbel Dabble who told bus Bus
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Speaker 1: and m who threatened to call the Popo on the
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Speaker 1: talkie talkie. So I'm not the only one that noticed that,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. I wonder if you're not the only one
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Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. Here's another thing. Did you
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Speaker 1: read online, Sidney? At least one Lady Gerard was crying?
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Speaker 1: Is that real? I did and didn't tell me that
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Speaker 1: I'm adding to South Carolina, just so you know. And
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Speaker 1: about forty eight hours, I can't take it anymore. I've
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Speaker 1: got to get in there and see for myself. Crying.
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Speaker 1: Why would they be Maybe when he was addressing the
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Speaker 1: murders of Maggie and Paul. I hope they were crying
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Speaker 1: from Maggie and Paul and not from Alex and Murdog.
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Speaker 1: I don't want it. Let's just be real. He didn't
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Speaker 1: cry when Buster was testifined, and Buster didn't cry when
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Speaker 1: Daddy was testifying about Paul, Paul and Mags. So to me,
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Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of fakeness going on, and I
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Speaker 1: think the jury's gonna be able to see right through it.
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Speaker 1: Is that actually a word fakeness? Yes? Okay, you say yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna just take your word for it. You
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Speaker 1: know what the bit it's got to be a real
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Speaker 1: worth it, you know what it means? Okay? So sure
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Speaker 1: is he's not authentic. He's not authentic and they can
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Speaker 1: see that. Do you believe the jury is going to
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Speaker 1: fall for Murdoch on the stand? A lot of people
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Speaker 1: are actually complaining about the prosecutor about why is he
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Speaker 1: going through all these financial crimes. It's not about the
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Speaker 1: financial crimes themselves. It's about the fact that he could
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Speaker 1: look at somebody, say a guy dying of colon cancer
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Speaker 1: or a victim who become a quadriplegic, and he is
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Speaker 1: literally stealing millions of dollars in their settlements. Right. The
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Speaker 1: fact that he can show up at a hospital when
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Speaker 1: a beautiful young girl is missing and not worry about
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Speaker 1: her at all. Not talk about her at all, not
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Speaker 1: do anything at all for her family, you know, And
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Speaker 1: go ahead, I've been thinking, and actually do the opposite,
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Speaker 1: Try to muddy the waters and say, oh, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure Paul Paul was driving the boat. I think somebody
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Speaker 1: else was driving the boat and trying to ruin that
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Speaker 1: young man's life too. You know. I noticed when Buster testified,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going easy on Buster because I feel bad
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Speaker 1: for him losing his mother and his brother. But did
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Speaker 1: you hear towards the end of his testimony he said, well,
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Speaker 1: none of us believe that Paul was really right driving
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Speaker 1: that boat. He was, That's what all the witnesses say.
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Speaker 1: So if he thinks Paul was not driving the boat,
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Speaker 1: what does he think about who killed Maggie and Paul?
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not that much of a stretch. Do
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Speaker 1: you remember your closing argument when you had the mason
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Speaker 1: jar filled with all the different stuff, the sand and
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Speaker 1: the rocks and a little bit of mud, and you
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Speaker 1: shook it up and you spinning all around, just the
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Speaker 1: swirl of mess and muck and trash. Can I just
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Speaker 1: see you talk to that jury? Yes? Tell it? Okay?
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Speaker 1: So I would start somewhere in the trial and put
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Speaker 1: a huge jar, I mean a big one, like an
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Speaker 1: eighteen inch tall jar, clear jar, and it would be
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Speaker 1: a lot of sand, not dirt, but sand, and actually
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Speaker 1: I think I did have some dirt in the air
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Speaker 1: and water. And I would send this jar on the
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Speaker 1: edge of the states council table, and I'm sure the
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Speaker 1: jury wondered, what is that dirty water for? When as
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Speaker 1: the events came in and I present the state's case,
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Speaker 1: the sand and dirt would separate from the water and
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Speaker 1: you could see straight through the water it's crystal clear.
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Speaker 1: Then in closing arguments, I would take the jar and
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Speaker 1: immediately attack the defense. That would be the first thing
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Speaker 1: in closing statement, and I'd shake it up and say,
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Speaker 1: see how they made everything so muddy and murky, Nothing
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Speaker 1: is clear anymore like this, then set it back down
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Speaker 1: on council table, then start my argument going through the
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Speaker 1: states and what each witness and what each piece of
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Speaker 1: evidence proved beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was guilty.
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Speaker 1: And then at the end, by an hour, which is
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Speaker 1: typically as long as a jerky keep their eyes open,
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Speaker 1: the dirt and the water would have separated again, so
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Speaker 1: I could pick it up and say, see saw Crystal
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Speaker 1: Clear again convict him so brilliant. It was so brilliant, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And it was like this living, active metaphor that was
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Speaker 1: unfolding before your eyes that you just couldn't argue with.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I think the jurors are going to
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Speaker 1: be able to do in that jury room. They're gonna
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Speaker 1: be able to separate all this muck and sand and
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Speaker 1: rocks and leaves and garbage and be able to Crystal
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Speaker 1: Clear see right through his bs. You know one thing
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Speaker 1: I find really interesting, but it's gonna have to It's
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Speaker 1: gonna have to be explained because so much evidence has
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Speaker 1: come in that it takes them explaining what it all means,
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Speaker 1: Like all of those times on the phones, all of
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Speaker 1: the cell crawls, all of the snapchats, and then you
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Speaker 1: overlay that with his car door opening and closing when
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Speaker 1: he left to go see his mom and Alma, when
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Speaker 1: he came back, when he paused and slowed down to
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Speaker 1: throw out Maggie's phone as it is exhibited in all
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Speaker 1: of these times, and sell data and on Star and
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Speaker 1: so forth. That's got to be laid out very carefully.
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Speaker 1: But what about this he is saying, he was so
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Speaker 1: high out of his mind he didn't really appreciate the
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Speaker 1: consequences of his acts, such as line to clients. But
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Speaker 1: that night he had the wherewithal to lie about being
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Speaker 1: down at the kennel. And that's really that was before
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Speaker 1: he should have understood the timeline like he should. He
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have known it mattered that he was at the kennel.
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Speaker 1: I've got to write that down. He shouldn't have known
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Speaker 1: that it mattered that he was at the kennel, should
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Speaker 1: not have even known that. He shouldn't know what time
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Speaker 1: the shootings occurred. But yet he knew and he lied.
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Speaker 1: He knew the timing of him at the kennel was critical. Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: I think that's actually very probative. It is probative. But
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Speaker 1: he's also lying when he doesn't produce the guns. Did
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Speaker 1: they know he owned? Did they have pictures of him shooting?
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Speaker 1: He won't produce the guns because he's not going to
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Speaker 1: let them run those tents on that weapon. So, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to Okay, I remember the case as
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Speaker 1: a guy that I believe was serial killer, as did
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Speaker 1: many others, by a guy him on one murder of
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Speaker 1: a Jane Doe, and she had one of her air
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Speaker 1: rings yanked out, and I found it near where her
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Speaker 1: body was out in the field. Of course, I thought
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Speaker 1: she was murdered somewhere else. And from that one ear
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Speaker 1: ring I could prove seven or eight things to the
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Speaker 1: jury based upon the placement, and just a lot of
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Speaker 1: different factual arguments to the jury. So this one thing,
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Speaker 1: let's analyze this for a moment. Him lying that night
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Speaker 1: about not being at the kennel, help me articulate this, Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: See when he comes back and finds the bodies. For
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Speaker 1: all he knew, they could have just been shot like
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Speaker 1: two minutes before while he was at his mother's. So
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Speaker 1: why why would he choose Why would he think he
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Speaker 1: needed to lie that he was at the kennel an
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Speaker 1: hour before. He had to beg that that was he
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Speaker 1: to know that was right, and he had to know
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Speaker 1: that was the primary crime scene. He didn't know they
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Speaker 1: weren't carried there from the field or from the house.
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Speaker 1: He knew that was the primary crime scene, and he
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Speaker 1: wanted himself as far away from it as possible. That's
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Speaker 1: why you have the delay in calling number one one.
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Speaker 1: That's why you say, oh yeah, I touched them. That's
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Speaker 1: why he changed clothes. That's why he lied about his whereabout,
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Speaker 1: That's why his only alibi was a woman with dementia.
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Speaker 1: Come on, now, this whole thing, this whole thing. If
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Speaker 1: this was in a book, you would go, oh, good lord,
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Speaker 1: this guy is guilty. You ain't got to read the
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Speaker 1: rest of the book. So can I ask you other
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Speaker 1: than which I think is the strongest evidence him being
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Speaker 1: at the kennel at the time of the murders, two
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Speaker 1: minutes before I know the phones went dead, what do
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Speaker 1: you think is the second strongest evidence the video from
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Speaker 1: Paul on Snapchast. Well, that's what I'm saying, he's at
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Speaker 1: the kennel, that that's the strongest evidence because he's Oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: I thought you meant him lying about it. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: I think the video didn't him lying about it. I
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Speaker 1: think the next thing is him not producing the guns
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Speaker 1: that they know that he owns, just like OJ and
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Speaker 1: the Bruno Magnus shoes. Come on, that's huge to me.
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Speaker 1: And then the other thing. Wait, wait, did you say
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Speaker 1: Bruno Magley? Did you just say that? I don't know
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Speaker 1: how to pronounce it, Brune Molly. Hello, Okay, look like
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Speaker 1: I'm well, I don't let me enjoy my moment that
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Speaker 1: I actually caught you in something wrong, which is so rare.
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Speaker 1: I have to enjoy the moment while it lasts. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what's the second most important thing other than I'm not
22:13
Speaker 1: turning over the guns. I think that we know that
22:18
Speaker 1: he will invoke a weapon in a crime. Hint, the
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Speaker 1: suicide for murder, propensity to pull a gun when you're
22:25
Speaker 1: in a jam. Hey, pull a gun. Yeah, pull a gun.
22:29
Speaker 1: And then, you know, I think the other money tree
22:32
Speaker 1: is going to be the phone logs. The number of
22:34
Speaker 1: times he, you know, contacted the person that fed up
22:38
Speaker 1: the suicide for hire, the number of times he contacted
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Speaker 1: the DNR officer, the number of times he called anybody
22:45
Speaker 1: that is only for himself. I'm still hung up on
22:51
Speaker 1: him pulling that badge all the time. Yeah, I do
22:55
Speaker 1: wish you had had it in a Ruba. That would
22:56
Speaker 1: have saved me some time and maybe we wouldn't be,
22:59
Speaker 1: you know, grown out of holiday inn for life. Yeah,
23:03
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a sacrificial am. Only I would
23:05
Speaker 1: go to jail friend personating an officer, thank you. I
23:08
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of faith in the Aruban jail
23:10
Speaker 1: system or justice system. What do you think about his
23:15
Speaker 1: demeanor in court? Fake self serving again, you know, the
23:22
Speaker 1: fake tears that having to dramatically go into his jacket
23:25
Speaker 1: for the clean X. You know, the endearment terms that again,
23:29
Speaker 1: nobody has ever heard anybody call these people on any
23:32
Speaker 1: other videos that family has put out. I think that
23:36
Speaker 1: there's several times where his brother in the back has
23:39
Speaker 1: been crying and Alec is just sitting at the defense
23:43
Speaker 1: table like it's any other day. She went on, whatever
23:45
Speaker 1: he's eaten? And then again, you know, he makes no
23:50
Speaker 1: emotional breakdown when his only living child is talking about
23:56
Speaker 1: losing his mama and brother. But you know when it's him,
24:01
Speaker 1: he does. But if you watch him, he cried, but
24:04
Speaker 1: then they ask him one more that right back and talking,
24:08
Speaker 1: it stops immediately. So did you hear that? Yesterday the
24:13
Speaker 1: defense attorney Hart putlean Um stands up and says, oh,
24:21
Speaker 1: we have two more witnesses. Can we put them up
24:22
Speaker 1: tomorrow in the middle of cross exam? And this day
24:28
Speaker 1: said what no, So it looks like they're going to
24:32
Speaker 1: bring on a crime sayne tech and a pathologist or
24:36
Speaker 1: someone related to pathology. Now you know that if it
24:42
Speaker 1: is a pathologists or a medical examiner. They did not
24:46
Speaker 1: view the bodies. They only are going on pictures. What
24:49
Speaker 1: do you make of that? I think there'll be enough
24:53
Speaker 1: in those pictures that they'll be able to articulate exactly
24:55
Speaker 1: what happened to those two is the defense, How can
24:59
Speaker 1: they play any other way than they were. Maybe they're
25:02
Speaker 1: talking about who got shot first, or the trajectory of
25:05
Speaker 1: the path of the bullets. They're gonna go back to
25:07
Speaker 1: how tall the shooter was. They keep harping on that, like, Mum,
25:12
Speaker 1: I'm five six and a half. Where we live that night,
25:16
Speaker 1: I'm five two. I'm actually worried, well five one and
25:19
Speaker 1: a half. I'm worried. I don't really have an alibi exactly.
25:23
Speaker 1: So the shooting was five too. Did anybody believe that guy? No,
25:28
Speaker 1: nobody believes him, because again, you can shoot from a
25:31
Speaker 1: kneeling position because you're hidden, you can shoot from your hip.
25:34
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is easily explained. It could
25:37
Speaker 1: be somebody's six foot tall. But here's the other thing.
25:40
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be able to kind of shoot
25:42
Speaker 1: themselves in the foot when they start talking about those photographs.
25:45
Speaker 1: In the amount of blood again, Alex said he touched
25:48
Speaker 1: both of them to see whether or not they had
25:51
Speaker 1: a pulse or breathing. He had no blood on his
25:54
Speaker 1: hands and had changed clothes, and there was blood in
25:58
Speaker 1: a staring well, so he must add some blood on
26:00
Speaker 1: his hands. That's right. I don't understand, Cheryl. How okay,
26:05
Speaker 1: let me let me get this straight. He says he
26:07
Speaker 1: touched them to check for pulse, then he went and
26:12
Speaker 1: got a gun or did he go straight to call
26:15
Speaker 1: nine one one? In any event, when did he go
26:18
Speaker 1: back to the car and touched the staring wheel? When
26:20
Speaker 1: was that supposed to practically exactly? So that's part of
26:24
Speaker 1: that timeline he's not going to be able to explain. Okay, guys,
26:29
Speaker 1: we have been hearing so much from Alex murdog on
26:34
Speaker 1: the stand. He is under cross exam. This is why
26:40
Speaker 1: very typically the rule is never take the stand if
26:44
Speaker 1: you're the accused. But Cheryl, I think he did a
26:46
Speaker 1: pretty good job on direct He did a fine job yesterday.
26:50
Speaker 1: But let's talk about what that was. They had sat
26:53
Speaker 1: in the room for how many months getting him ready?
26:55
Speaker 1: He knew exactly what they were going to ask him,
26:58
Speaker 1: and in what order to day is going to be
27:00
Speaker 1: a different day. This is when the thing will be decided.
27:03
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Guys, Alex Marlock gonna tryal for double murder.
27:10
Speaker 1: What a circuitous route to justice. We wait as justice unfolds.
27:16
Speaker 1: I am headed to South Carolina, Cheryl, I wish you
27:19
Speaker 1: were going to be in the minivan with me. Goodbye everybody. Hey,