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Baby girl's horrific death after mommy allegedly laces sippy cup with deadly fentanyl · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A tiny baby is dead.
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  Speaker 1: Not by natural causes, She's dead because mommy laces her
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  Speaker 1: sippy cup with fentanyl. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Listen to this. How
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  Speaker 1: did the fentanel get in the cup? I mean we
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  Speaker 1: have some idea. UM, I'm comfortable we can charge somebody,
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  Speaker 1: and I've authorized that. You are hearing the Allegheny County
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  Speaker 1: District Attorney Stevens A. Paula talking about evil mommy feeding
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  Speaker 1: her baby fentanyl in her sippy cup. The baby is dead.
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  Speaker 1: With me, Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: forensics professor, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate,
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  Speaker 1: Me Now in Connecticut lawyer, criminal defense attorney Mickey Sherman,
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  Speaker 1: and with me now Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: Larry Mayor, Larry, you know what, thanks mom, fentanel in
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  Speaker 1: the sippy cup. The baby is dead, Larry, that's true. Um.
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  Speaker 1: The police arrived at the mother's apartment to find the
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  Speaker 1: child unresponsive, basically unconscious, not breathing. Her lips had turned blue,
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  Speaker 1: and the officers performed CPR on the child, waiting for
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  Speaker 1: an ambulance to arrive. As they did, the little girl
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  Speaker 1: spit up a red liquid of some kind. They also
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  Speaker 1: noted that what appeared to be blood was in her mouth.
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  Speaker 1: It was later determined through autopsy and toxicology results that
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  Speaker 1: Charlotte Napor Callie, who was seventeen months old, had ingested
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  Speaker 1: a deadly dose of the opioid painkiller fentinyl. The drug
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  Speaker 1: was also found inside the sippy cup that her mother
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  Speaker 1: admits she had given the little girl. And then the mother,
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  Speaker 1: whose name is Jania Pratt and she is twenty three
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  Speaker 1: years old, clammed up. Police and prosecutors say she has
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  Speaker 1: not been particularly helpful as police tried to put together
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  Speaker 1: exactly what happened that led up to the death of
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  Speaker 1: her little girl. We were talking about the death of
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  Speaker 1: a tiny infant. After mommy laces her sippy cup with
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  Speaker 1: the deadly sentinel. Just got morgan with me. Just got
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  Speaker 1: explained what is fentinel. Fentinel is very similar h in
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  Speaker 1: its usage relative to things like heroin. UH. It's uh
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  Speaker 1: many times has been used as an analgesic, which means
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  Speaker 1: that knocks paying down and Nancy, can I give you
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  Speaker 1: one little factory to put this in in in frame
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  Speaker 1: for us? Do you know what happened in August of
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen relative to fentnyl. It was the
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  Speaker 1: first time that finnel was actually used in the United
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  Speaker 1: States as a component of lethal injection. It was utilized
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  Speaker 1: in Nebraska to take a guy's life in prison as
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  Speaker 1: part of a death sentence. That's how powerful this drug is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Mickey Shrman, veteran defense attorney. Fentanyl is sold
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  Speaker 1: on the black market that, along with oxycodone and other
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  Speaker 1: drugs that are prescribed by doctors, are now sold illegally,
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  Speaker 1: like heroin and crack cocaine. It's that powerful. And this
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  Speaker 1: mom is putting fentneyl in the baby sippy cap, as
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  Speaker 1: Michael Corleone said, and god father too. One thing we've
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  Speaker 1: learned is that anybody can kill anybody else. And she
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  Speaker 1: didn't use a fentanyl so she could done something else.
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  Speaker 1: It's the intent to kill that enable someone just to
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  Speaker 1: do everything else to the wind and do what they
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  Speaker 1: want to do in order to take this person's life.
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  Speaker 1: I started to give you grief about quoting car Corleone
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  Speaker 1: as your answer, but actually making your absolutely correct. Dr
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists. You know, poison or lacing food
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  Speaker 1: or drinks with you know, highly powered medicines is typically
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  Speaker 1: a female crime. Statistically, Yes, that's true, Nancy. And fentonel In,
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  Speaker 1: which is a drug that's a hundred times stronger than morphing,
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  Speaker 1: essentially makes the brain forget to breathe, and so it's hot,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's very deadly. And most of the deaths in
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  Speaker 1: the opioid epidemic I've actually been due to heroin being
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  Speaker 1: spiked with fentinyl and not the heroin themselves. So fentyl
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  Speaker 1: is a very very lethal drug. You know, I will
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  Speaker 1: never forget, which I banned my husband from the medicine
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  Speaker 1: draft this. The children were having all sorts of like
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  Speaker 1: um allergies and rashes and drippy noses and blah blah
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  Speaker 1: when they were little. You remember, Mickey, how premature they were.
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  Speaker 1: You were with me way back when when the children
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  Speaker 1: were born, and I gave them some bena drill, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then I took them to the only set of
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  Speaker 1: bucket swings I could find, and we were out super
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  Speaker 1: early in the mornings, like seven am. I've been up
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  Speaker 1: with them all night and I was swinging them. I
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  Speaker 1: looked at them and they were both slumped over like
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  Speaker 1: sacks of potatoes. And I called Davis, said, David, this
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  Speaker 1: is where they fell asleep in the end the swing
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  Speaker 1: and went probably because they gave him Ben a drill.
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  Speaker 1: I nearly did a backflip because I had given them
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  Speaker 1: been a drill and he was under strict orders to
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  Speaker 1: always tell me if he medicated the children or was
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  Speaker 1: going to He's you know, he's all about o TC,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm all about no drugs at all over the counter. Dry.
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  Speaker 1: You know this is going to be the defense. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to be it was an accident. But hold hold on,
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  Speaker 1: if it were an accident. If it were an accident,
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  Speaker 1: why didn't Mommy say it was an accident and cooperate
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  Speaker 1: with police. Listen to the district attorney. We tried to
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  Speaker 1: interview her, she was she didn't give us any information. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of I hate to characterize her attitude,
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  Speaker 1: except that she was interviewed and she was not helpful.
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  Speaker 1: And it's her it's her child. Is that true? Larry
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  Speaker 1: May her Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Mommy was uncooperative. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: at the time of the child's death, she was not
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  Speaker 1: very helpful with police. However, there was someone else was helpful,
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  Speaker 1: and that was her boyfriend who had been in the
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  Speaker 1: apartment earlier in the day. He had taken care of
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  Speaker 1: the little girl during the morning and early afternoon hours
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  Speaker 1: and then he left, and based on the time of
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  Speaker 1: her death, which was early in the evening, prosecutors and
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  Speaker 1: police determined that the only person who could have given
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  Speaker 1: her the drug was the mother after the boyfriend had left.
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  Speaker 1: The purfect. Okay, there's a second line of defense, Mickey, sureman.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, she's gonna say it was an accident.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, she's gonna say somebody else did it
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  Speaker 1: and try to point the finger at the boyfriend. Then
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  Speaker 1: she's going to say, okay, he did it, But if
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  Speaker 1: he didn't do it, then it was an accident. That's
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  Speaker 1: going to be the defense. I see it right now, Mickey,
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  Speaker 1: Especially if she doesn't take the stands, it'll be easier
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  Speaker 1: for the defense attorney to kind of both of the
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  Speaker 1: scenarios out there as you supposed to having to under
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  Speaker 1: stand and getting pubbled by rus. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: what the district attorney says, you put Fentonel in play
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  Speaker 1: and somebody dies. I want to see you go to jail.
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  Speaker 1: What the sentencing enhancement will do is put somebody in
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  Speaker 1: a penitentiary. We are talking about a mom now arrested
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  Speaker 1: in Fentinel La Sippy Cup case feeding her baby Sentinel.
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  Speaker 1: The baby is dead and I want justice now. We
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  Speaker 1: traveled to Indiana. Did a man, a twenty three year
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  Speaker 1: old guy Marshall s Snyder the third a k a.
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  Speaker 1: Marshall Snyder, did he actually crush painkillers, very powerful painkillers,
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  Speaker 1: and sprinkle them into breast milk for a baby girl?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I want to know with me? Ashley Wilcott,
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta judge, lawyer and founder of child Crime watch dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath My Feet,
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  Speaker 1: renowned Atlanta defense attorney, Raymond Judah Chay, Karen Stark, new
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  Speaker 1: York psychologist joining us from Manhattan, and Pamela fur Crime
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  Speaker 1: Online dot com investigative reporter. It's hard for me to
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  Speaker 1: look at this guy. He looks like a actually looks
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a spoiled bratt college kid to me.
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  Speaker 1: But he's actually twenty three year old Marshall S. Snyder
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  Speaker 1: the third and apparently he is suspected of crushing powerful
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  Speaker 1: painkillers and putting it in a baby's breast milk. What
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  Speaker 1: to start at the beginning, Pam, Well, you have this
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  Speaker 1: young girl eighteen years old who is living with her
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  Speaker 1: mother and her brother decided to move his fiance and
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  Speaker 1: they're eleven week old baby into that house for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: and the eighteen year old Sarah Rodriguez Miranda, was very jealous.
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  Speaker 1: She did not want them staying in that house, and
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  Speaker 1: so she concocted some crazy plan to crush up some
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  Speaker 1: pills and put them in the breast milk of that
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  Speaker 1: eleven month old baby. She wanted to kill that baby
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  Speaker 1: that she wanted them gone out of the house, and
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  Speaker 1: so she started talking to her boyfriend about that and
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  Speaker 1: it was very very open about what her plans were,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how the case started. You know, Pamela, for
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  Speaker 1: when you explain the motive behind this, it makes the
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  Speaker 1: entire thing even more absurd. Take a listen to this service.
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  Speaker 1: Conditions determined aidity of your arrested and contention Simply, Miranda
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  Speaker 1: ran term as you are sah Rrigez Miranda here luci
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  Speaker 1: for and he charges understands. Yes, okay. What you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of lawyer talk called extradition. She really simple.
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  Speaker 1: What happens in this case, according to prosecutors, is that
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  Speaker 1: a woman is angry another woman moves into the home
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  Speaker 1: with her when we cold baby girl, and she plots revenge.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy, so she and her lover, Marshall Snyder, decided
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  Speaker 1: to poison the baby dead by putting powerful painkillers into
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  Speaker 1: a bottle of breast milk meant for the baby. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I can't say that they're crazy in the legal sense
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  Speaker 1: because then they flee to Michigan so they won't be
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  Speaker 1: caught for this. So they've got the cunning and the
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  Speaker 1: wherewithal and the uh plan, the machinations of the plan
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  Speaker 1: to get away knowing they've done this bad thing. They're
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  Speaker 1: caught now, they're being extradited. Raise un extradition is really simple.
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  Speaker 1: They're caught in Michigan. They're not determining in court whether
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  Speaker 1: they're guilty, whether it's probable cause nothing. All they have
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  Speaker 1: to do is say are you Marshall Snyder, and are
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  Speaker 1: you the Marshall Snyder in this warrant. That's all they've
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  Speaker 1: got to decide, and then they're send back home to
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  Speaker 1: face charge. Well, that's right, and the judge will normally say, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah and madam defendant, I am not telling you that
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  Speaker 1: we think you're guilty of anything. Uh. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a condition. This is a tradition warrant from whatever state.
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  Speaker 1: Do you wish to have a full blown extradition hearing
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  Speaker 1: and challenge it, or do you wish to waive that?
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  Speaker 1: And the Ford Ltd. Will be here in the morning
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  Speaker 1: to drive you back to whatever state at a hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty miles with the blue lights on so that
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  Speaker 1: you can defend yourself and face whatever charges out of
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  Speaker 1: the state has. So it's it's just for a procedural transfer. However,
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  Speaker 1: there is a a some advantage to the defend in
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  Speaker 1: fighting the extradition if you have good counsel or the resources,
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  Speaker 1: because you can make the opposing state that wants to
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  Speaker 1: the state that wants to bring you back has to
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  Speaker 1: at least flesh out the basis of the warrant just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and it may give you a little insight.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the time folks waive ex formal extradition hearings
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  Speaker 1: and get transferred at immediately. And partly that's because they're
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  Speaker 1: on the run. They don't have counsel, of their families
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  Speaker 1: not there, and they're you know, they're in some state
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  Speaker 1: prison across the country and they just want to get
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  Speaker 1: back to where they where they think safe ground will be.
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  Speaker 1: You know, in this case, Joseph's got Morgan and their wisdom.
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  Speaker 1: The two got a full bottle of exctern and crusted
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  Speaker 1: up to feed the baby. What effect would that have
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  Speaker 1: had on the baby? It's that that we know of.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what else they've put in there. Just
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  Speaker 1: so that folks at home know what this consists of.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about a seta menaphon, which is like tyl
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  Speaker 1: and all. We're talking aspirin and we're talking caffeine. A
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  Speaker 1: seta menaphon. What would have happened with this child? That
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  Speaker 1: would have literally shut that sent the kid into what
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  Speaker 1: we refer to as hepatic failure. In other words, it
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  Speaker 1: would have shut this child's liver down. For for aspirin,
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  Speaker 1: there's all kinds of contraindications for this, particularly when you, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you administered into a very tiny baby Nancy, we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about a very powerful over the counter analgesic to knock
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  Speaker 1: down pain. Uh. Too much aspirin can literally lead a
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  Speaker 1: child or put a child into a state of coma.
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  Speaker 1: Back to Pamela for Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: So how do they manage to track the two down
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan? They had text messages that they had exchanged
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  Speaker 1: between each other, Marshall Snyder and the young eighteen year old.
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  Speaker 1: So the mother had seen the messages. So as they
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  Speaker 1: were looking for them, they found his family in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: That's where they fled to, I'm sorry, in Michigan. They
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  Speaker 1: went from Fort Wayne, Indiana to Michigan. That's where his
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  Speaker 1: family lives, and that's how they were able to track
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  Speaker 1: them down. Um, and these text message exchanges, I'm telling you, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: it's just very disturbing. Well, you're right, the text messages
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  Speaker 1: sent by Sarah to Marshall Snyder are damning. I'm quoting quote,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna crush up some of these pills since she
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  Speaker 1: decided they can stay longer and kill their baby. That
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  Speaker 1: that's not all the documents that we have obtained out
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  Speaker 1: of Alan County circuit in superior courts in Indiana explain
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  Speaker 1: how the woman Sarah Rodriguez Miranda, actually researched how much
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  Speaker 1: over the counter pain medication it would take to kill someone,
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  Speaker 1: then crushed multiple pain killers and put the powder in
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  Speaker 1: the Battle of Breast Milk. We also know she sends
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend Marshall Snyder a picture of a mortar and
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  Speaker 1: puzzle set containing the white concoction. Now that also was
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  Speaker 1: according to court documents, she says, I put the stuff
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  Speaker 1: in a mad bottle in the fridge. In another text,
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  Speaker 1: she writes, yeah, I thought it was funny that I
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  Speaker 1: don't have an ounce of guilt. It seems as if
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  Speaker 1: in the early morning hours, Sarah Miranda's mother, who wisely
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  Speaker 1: monitors her daughter's phone and social media messages, sees a
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  Speaker 1: text exchanged between her daughter and Marshall Snyder, the boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: The mother took pictures of the messages, then went in
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen and open the refrigerator door, and there she
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  Speaker 1: finds two baby bottles. One was darker in color, with
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  Speaker 1: a greenish ring and a residue that had settled at
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  Speaker 1: the bottom. She put both the bottles into a grocery bag,
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  Speaker 1: put them both in a zip lock bag, and she
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  Speaker 1: took the grand baby wisely, along with the child monitor,
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  Speaker 1: to a nearby emergency room to immediately have the baby
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  Speaker 1: check for poisoning. It's disturbing, very disturbing. You have this
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  Speaker 1: eighteen year old girl who is jealous of this eleven
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  Speaker 1: month old baby, saying things like, yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even feel any guilt at all. She took a
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  Speaker 1: picture of where she had crushed up the pills and
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  Speaker 1: put it in this text message to her boyfriend and
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  Speaker 1: said I had to feel no guilt at all. She
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  Speaker 1: then sent another text message saying, oh my god, the
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  Speaker 1: bottles aren't in the refrigerator. I'm so excited. Things like
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  Speaker 1: this in these text messages, and that's eventually what led
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  Speaker 1: to them the police finding them in Michigan. Yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: she texts, O n G. I forgot to tell you
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  Speaker 1: the bottle is gone. She was so happy those bottles
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  Speaker 1: have been taken out of the refrigerator, as she Willcott,
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  Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com. One of the
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  Speaker 1: text messages states, I hope she dies. Oh yeah. She
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  Speaker 1: does not hide her intentions in these text messages at all.
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  Speaker 1: The good news for the prosecution is certainly again, it
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  Speaker 1: shows the premeditation. She she had no qualms killing this child.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting to me, Nancy. And most of these cases,
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  Speaker 1: it is someone's own child that they are killing. In
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  Speaker 1: this particular case, it is it is her niece. It
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  Speaker 1: is not even her own child. And there's this new comic.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard about it. It's all
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  Speaker 1: about the special relationship between aunts or aunt's or aunties
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  Speaker 1: and their nephew or niece. And so there's this this
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  Speaker 1: whole philosophy and statistics around what a special relationship that is.
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  Speaker 1: And here you have an aunt who honestly, honestly you
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe the text of the extents of which
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  Speaker 1: she goes to say, Hey, I'm happy to do this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm proud to do this. I'm gonna kill their baby.
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  Speaker 1: Then the girl starts questioning why the baby, the infant
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  Speaker 1: is still alive? Quote why didn't that baby die? Dude?
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  Speaker 1: That's dumb. Now we wait as just as unfolds for
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  Speaker 1: Marshall Snyder the third the baby lived, But now what
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  Speaker 1: will happen to him and his so called girlfriend? An
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  Speaker 1: Ohio boy who runs away after witnessing his father's murder. Miracle,
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  Speaker 1: after months and months being gone, this boy has been
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  Speaker 1: found alive. I Meancy Grace. This his crime stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. The Ohio Boy vanishes over
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  Speaker 1: a year ago as he witnesses his father being gunned down.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Jacob Caldwell. Joining me from the Dayton
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  Speaker 1: Daily News. Richard Wilson, former federal prosecutor, Francie Haicks, psychologist
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  Speaker 1: and lawyer, host of investigation discoveries, hit show Fatal Vows.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, Jason Oceans, renowned New York attorney and
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  Speaker 1: Mark class victim's advocate, founder of Class Kids. Straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Richard Wilson. First, Richard, I want you to take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to Robert Caldwell's one call just days before
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  Speaker 1: his own murder. Yeah, I got a guy over here
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  Speaker 1: onund he's get trying to learn me and who is
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  Speaker 1: the who's the guy? Earlier? Boyfriend all to go back
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  Speaker 1: to the James Company, will depute me there. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna call my wife and you're hearing the voice
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  Speaker 1: of Robert Calwell desperately calling nine one one, just days
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  Speaker 1: before his own murder. Straight out, to Richard Wilson with
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  Speaker 1: a Dayton Daily News. Richard, I think we better take
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  Speaker 1: this from the beginning. How did this whole thing start,
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  Speaker 1: Richard Wilson. As you hear in that nine one one call,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Caldwell called nine one one reporting that his ultimate
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  Speaker 1: accused killer, Sterling Roberts, was stalking him and in fact
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  Speaker 1: pulled a gun on him. He believed his life was
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  Speaker 1: in danger at that point, and that was actually two
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  Speaker 1: weeks prior to his own death. Two weeks prior to
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  Speaker 1: his own death. Richard Wilson described to me the death
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  Speaker 1: of the victim. Victim was out with his three sons.
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  Speaker 1: They were in a public place in a community called
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  Speaker 1: Riverside here near Dayton, and I think is around six
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  Speaker 1: o'clock that evening. It was still very light out. Robert
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  Speaker 1: was approached by the gunman and shot and killed in
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  Speaker 1: front of his three sons outside near a office building.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: One of his sons, after it happened, ran to it
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: near by restaurant to report what happened. You know, I'm
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: just thinking about the horrific trauma a child would go
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: through standing there in the driveway. I believe you said, Richard,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: with your father as he is gunned down in cold blood.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Still wake up at night thinking about my dad being
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: gone and my dad passed away as and I'm an
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: adult and I'm still upset about it. To Dr Brian Russell,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: seeing your father gunned down right in front of your eyes,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: No wonder the boy went running away. It has been
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: gone for a year hiding. Yeah, most of us can't
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: even imagine what that would be like and what that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: would do to us, seeing that, even as adults, as
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you said, so, a man at that age of your life,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: being fifteen is a it's a tough age when everything's
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: going right. Six people have now been indicted for this
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: twisted murder plot, including an ex wife. Well, explain to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: me Richard Wilson from the Dayton Daily News. The wife
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: is already an ex Well, why does she care if
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: her ex husband lives or dies? Explained to me. What's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: my understanding? That they were involved in a heated custody
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: battle over the children um which was settled in July,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: that's a month prior to Robert being shot and killed.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: The judge ultimately decided to grant custody to Robert and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: his new wife. Uh so it's our understanding that that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: appears to be a factor in the motivation of his guys.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: We were talking about the death of the dad and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the disappearance of the boy. Jacob Caldwell. Take a listen
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to what Robert Caldwell's brother Tyler has to say. They
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: were in love when they were married, and you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: he cared about her, and you know, he tried to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: start a family and do the right thing. My brother
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: called me one day and was upset. Uh, and he said,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I finally found it, and uh, you know, I didn't.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what he was talking about. And he said,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you know, check your email. It's it's it's pictures of
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Tommy's escort website um that she created. He said that
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: he was done. I mean, this was kind of the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: last straw with Tony and and that you know, he
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: had to get out of there and move on with
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: his life. It sounds like their relationship was a nightmare.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: He's referring to his wife, Tawny Roberts. Take a listen
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to what his mom said. My understanding is he was
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: walking out of the counseling with the kids with him
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and this guy. We came out of somewhere and he
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: shot my son many many, many, many times. All Bobby
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: cared about really in life was being a good father
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and a good husband to his wife Candice. That was
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: his whole purpose in life. Is a beautiful person. He
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: didn't deserve that at all. Is just taking his kids
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to counseling. He was trying to help them. You're hearing
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: his mom speak, and it goes to show Francy Haiggs,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor, that there is no love like a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: mother's love, even when the child, the son is grown,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and you hear the pain in her voice talking about
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the death of her son, now a father himself, trying
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to start a new life. Francy, it's a terrible case, Nancy.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, all I can think is the horrific irony
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of him taking his children to therapy so that they
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: can deal with all the upset of these custody battles
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and the divorce, and then having them have to witness
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: their lives and their parents being own apart. And one
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of the other things that bothers me, Nancy about this
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: case I've read recently is that when they found this boy, Jacob,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: this eyewitness to the murder of his father, they tossed
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: him in juvenile detention. I don't understand it. I don't
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: understand it either. I think it's an incredible miracle that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: he was found. Mark Class, this is your expertise. This
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: little boy had been missing for over a year after
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: witnessing his father againned down Well Nancy a little context.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: First of all, everything I understand about Robert Caldwell is
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that he was an excellent man and a superior father,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and that everything that he did, the extended custody battles,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the counseling, even the remarriage, was really about ensuring the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: safety of this children, that his children had an opportunity
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to grow up and and have safe lives. And unfortunately
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: he got with a thuggish family full of psychopaths. Because
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: all of the people, with the exception of the boyfriend,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: all of the people that have been indicted in this
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: case are from the mother's family, and apparently the ex wife,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the mother, Tawny, who had a softcore porn site, was
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: calling all of the shots in this case. She was
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: directing absolutely everybody. And the home where they found little
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Jacob was a home that was associated with friends of
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the ex mother's family. So these people are evil beyond compare,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and they took a wonderful guy out and have obviously
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: traumatized these three young men, and particularly I think Jacob,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: given the fact that he was living in proximity of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the family of this of his father's killer for that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: entire time. You know, it's amazing to me. Richard Wilson
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: joining me with the Dayton Daily News. The whole family
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: is indicted in his murder. How did the whole family
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: agree to be part of our murder plot? Richard Wilson, Well,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know that those that are indicted, the ones
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: at least that are charged with aiding and abetting, whether
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they knew the entire scope of what was about to happen.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: So I think it's very possible that they were assisting
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and helping in ways that they, you know, didn't know
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: exactly why. Well, it's hard for me to believe that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: they had no idea what was going on. And the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: coincidence of the timing of the murder, because Robert had
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: just been awarded custody and then two weeks later he's dead.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: He gets awarded custody, then he calls nine on one
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and names the people he thinks are trying to kill him.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: They're following him around town. Calls nine one one. Then
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: still nothing is done to protect him, and he's dead
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and the little boy runs away. In the Last Day's miracle,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the little boy has been found. For some reason, they
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: throw him in juvenile detention. I wonder if this was
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the icing on the cake that Robert call Will had
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: finally found a new love in his life. Listen, I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: remember like it was yesterday when he got from custody.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Was a very exciting day. Uh. We had just bought
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a new house so all of the all the kids
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: could have their own rooms and everything. They were hearing
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the voice of Robert's new wife, Candice called, well, now,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I want to figure out how the boy has stayed
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: missing in hiding for over a year. Mark class, what
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: do you understand about it? He wasn't being held against
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: his will, for one thing. He had the ability to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: come and go as he pleased, and he didn't seem
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: particularly traumatized when the authorities finally found him. Um. But
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: then on the other hand, the authorities were doggedly looking
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: for him. There were uh, there was a reward that
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: was being offered. There were billboards that were up they
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: were following credible leads, and in fact, the credible lead
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: because of the reward, is what led to his recovery.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: He was obviously coercedance we uh. He was obviously coerced
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and manipulated in ways that were far beyond his control.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: In this scenario, I'm amazed the boy is even still alive.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: How did it unfold? Take a listen? And yesterday afternoon
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: received a call from an individual thought that the information
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a possible location where Jacob could be takes the stair
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and the FBI agent met with that individual. UM. They
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: were a little hesitant to come forward in the sense
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that they didn't want their day out there, so we
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: assured him that that that would be a problem. UM
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: got some information from hers seemed very credible. There had
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: some uh. Some of the details that was given to
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: us were pretty specific, so we started looking into hollowly
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: where this location is UM, the jurisdiction and possibly getting
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a warrant. Got got additional information a little later in
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the evening that possibly he was going to be moved UM,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: so we we bumped up our our timeline quite a bit.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: UM got that, got a warrant signed late last evening
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and just before midnight, we served a warrant at a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: location in Miami Township. Four adults were inside and we
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: found Jacob in the basement. Uh, not that he's hiding him.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was necessarily hiding at that moment
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: from us. UM that appeared to be where his primary
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: area of sleeping was. That is how it all unfolded.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: According to police, they received a call from a female
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: who said she had information about where they could find
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the missing boy. Four individuals taken into custody. Listen, we're
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: able to get him. We had four adults. M Jacob
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is currently over at the Green County Juvenile Attention Center
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: right now. He's in under an unruly warrant US through
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: City of Beaver Creek. But we're we're something to get
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: our charges through through the township where he actually was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: missing from. To Richard Wilson with the Dayton Daily News,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: why is he in juvenile detention? The lawyer represending his
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: legal custodian uh tells us that, you know, the court
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: is looking out for his welfare and wants to get
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: counseling for him. So he had this previous unruly charged
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that was a warrant issued prior to him running away
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: this time. Uh And that is is the pretense of
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: why he's being held there at this point. But I
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: think the overall concern is just his welfare. As you
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: can imagine, he's an eye witness to a murder. He's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: certainly been through a lot over the last year or so,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and he's very important to um the prosecutor's case. Uh
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: So I think they, you know, want to make sure
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: he's he's okay and he's accounted for. I mean, think
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: about it, Mark Class, He's witnessed to murder. If that mother,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: his mother would gun down the father of her children
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and enlist her family to help her, there's six people
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: indiced it for that murder, what would she do to him?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, even from behind bars, he is a state's
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: chief witness about who ordered his father. Well, he's one
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: of three witnesses, certainly, And I don't yeah, I don't.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I don't imagine that the reason that she targeted him
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: um for kidnapping, because ultimately I think that's probably what
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: occurred there, although he did seen to go voluntarily, But
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think the fact that she targeted him for
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that was to keep him from testifying. I think that
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you probably had other deeper, more twisted motivations involved in
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: certain things that I can't tam. We know to you,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Richard Wilson, with a dating dealing news. We also know
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: that there's going to be I predict a treasure trove
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: cyber evidence because from what I can understand, the ex wife,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the one that had the porn side, Tawny Roberts, her
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: boyfriend Sterling Roberts, allegedly cyber stalked Robert Caldwell, the murder victim,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: via his cell phone, with the assistance of that lovely lady,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the ex wife, Tawny Caldwell. So there should be uh
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: trail a mile wide through text messages, phone calls, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: so forth. Some of that evidence is actually coming to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: light through the lawsuit, UH that has been filed by
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Robert's widow, particularly related to that nine one one call
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and the incident that happened two weeks prior to his murder,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you know. To Francie Haig's former federal prosecutor, I want
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to follow up on what Richard Wilson is telling us. Apparently, UH,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the wife, the ex Tuning Colwell, also accused of destroying
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: contents and data of a cell phone. Hello, A lot
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of that can still be retrieved, Francy, it can be.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Forensic tools are pretty amazing, and I suspect that they've
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: got their forensic analysts out there looking through everyone's computer
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and everybody's phone in order to find evidence. And I think, Nancy,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: one of the significant things in this case that you
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: heard in that last clip you played from the police
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: was they were saying that they got a warn and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: went into this house because they had information the boy
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: quote was about to be moved. Not that the child
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: was going to run away again, but was about to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: be moved. There's no doubt in my mind based on
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that evidence if it's true. But the child was being held,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and I think there's really only one reason for it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Perhaps of the three eyewitnesses, he had the best vantage point,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: or he's the one who knows more information and that's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: why he was targeted for the kidnapping and his own mother,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: his own family. It looks like it kept him out
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: of school for a year, He's had no contact with
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: his friends. This was a child who'd been isolated and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: probably brainwashed. The other people charged our chance Pete Deacon
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Christopher Roberts, James Harmon, and Shandra Harmon. Who are these people?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: These other people charged Richard Wilson in addition to the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: ex wife Tawny Roberts and her boyfriend Sterling. Who are
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: these other people? Sports? I understand they are simply associates
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of the mother Towny Caldwell. Um, you know, friends in associates.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know that there are any familial ties there,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you know. I first thought her family was roped in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: on this, but it looks to me like it's more associates,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: not necessarily family. According to the FBI, Calledwell and Shaun
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: dr Harmon conspired to intimidate and threaten witnesses. So it's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: like these people think they're living in the wild wild West,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: according to the FBI, threatening witnesses. While the one boy
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: has gone missing hiding out, that boy, little Jacob Caldwell,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: has been found. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off goodbye friend.