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Oscars 2026 – Production Design, Costumes, Makeup & Hair · CinemaHounds - A Lorehounds Podcast

• 0:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Cinema Hounds, a Lorhound's podcast, Your Guides to the 2026 Academy Awards.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Alicia, your movie nerd and chief, back with another deep dive into the Oscar's races.
• 0:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: This time, checking in with Lisa, aka Red Zippy, did discuss three of the most exciting races of this year, or the most beautiful ones at least.
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be talking about production design, costume design, and makeup, and hair styling.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't given it a listen yet, I do recommend starting with the Oscar nominations reactions episode and best picture preview that David and I did, you'll find that and everything else we've covered so far linked in the show notes, including the indie spirits and buffed us episodes.
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then stick around until the end to find out what's coming up next in the series.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But first, without further ado.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So welcome Lisa aka Red Zippy, those of you who are regular in the discord will know you well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So glad to have you here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So glad to be here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I asked you today for these three categories, production design, costume design, makeup and hair styling.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you are an active participant in the award season channel.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You are obviously following all of the awards.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But why did I especially ask you for this?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps you can best tell it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's because part of my not only just my passion and my life growing up, my mother was a costume designer for our local playhouse in eerie Pennsylvania, so that side of the of a theater and make believe just has captured me since I was a young girl.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And then professionally, I worked for several years in the film industry and the most eight years in the professional theater industry.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so to really see up close the amount of work and planning and craft that goes into what these folks do, they are truly, truly artists.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm really in awe of what they do and having worked with them and actors and directors over a decade.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I have a really good understanding of why these things are so important to the final product and so it's just yeah I'm fortunate to have worked with a lot of really talented artists so I love talking about what it is they do.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm very excited to talk about these categories with you.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that they're actually, it particularly make up some of the most exciting categories this year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is definitely where fantasy lets loose on film.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, definitely.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We want to see more of that for sure, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're going to be talking through in this order production design then costumes then make up and hair and I mean production design is kind of like the blanket term for everything we're discussing today more or less.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just for anyone who gets a confused cinematography because I know most people do
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Cinematography is basically how you capture the images, like the camera, you choose how you shoot it, things like that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the production design is what you are actually shooting.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's like the world, the actual world that you're shooting is the production design.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, whether it's the architecture or the props, that kind of thing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what goes into production design.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and including costumes and makeup and hair, which are their own separate categories for the Oscars.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so usually for production design, you've got a overarching art director and then a set designer.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's usually the tandem that makes up a team that does this, so yeah, and we've got five five good nominees Right, well, so we're gonna for the all of these.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about the film premises and We'll talk about the specifics as they relate to the category we're discussing, but we're going to avoid film spoilers because we'll assume that you've definitely not seen all of these yet percent
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we're going to start with production design and the category is original name as you said they're called the art directors.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was called Best Art Direction, but they changed it to this current name production design in 2012 because the art directors branch changed their name to the designer's branch.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So there we go.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And since 1947, yeah, as you said, this has been shared with the set decorators.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so the five best picture nominees, is going to rattle them off, and then we'll talk a bit more.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Frankenstein.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We have Tamara Devoral.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is as the production designer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is her second nomination after Nightmare Alley.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And set decoration from Shane View.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is his third nomination, and he won for the shape of water.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've got Hamlet, we've got for production design Fiona Crombee, this is her second nomination after the favorites and Alice Fenton, a set decorator also was nominated for the favorite.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is her second name as well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We've got Marty Supreme with production designer Jess Jack Fisk who's
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Ben is specially known for his work with Terrence Malik and David Lynch.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is his fourth nomination after there will be blood the Revenant and Killers of the Flower Moon was the last one in 2023 working with set decorator Adam Willis.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is his second nomination after Killers of the Flower Moon.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: one battle after another with production design by Florentia Martin.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a second nomination after Babylon and set to decorate by Anthony Carlino, also second nomination after Babylon.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And finally, sinners with Hannah Beechler as production designer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's her second Oscar-nom she won for Black Panther.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And set to decorate him by Monique Champagne, and this is her first nomination.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, what, where do you want to begin with these five?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I kind of want to start with Jack Fisk in the sense that, so that's Marty Supreme.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Marty Supreme, yeah.
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: One of the tendencies of, excuse me, it's early morning here on Ohio and it's very cold and you'll hear me humming and humming quite a bit, but one of the things that
• 6:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: We always like to see behind the scenes is those that have been in the trenches for really long time and done really great movies, but have yet to receive their Oscar.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so sometimes Oscar voters will vote accordingly.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: However, as we know, in these categories, the name of those
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: craft artists aren't on the ballot, so just Jack Fisk is someone who's been around as you noted from David Lynch to, you know, Marty Scorsese, I mean, good Lord.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's someone that a lot of people do wish he would finally get his first Oscar for.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: attention to detail on this set, on Marty Supreme and picking up in the 1950s New York and what he had to do in the locations around the world to recreate all of those cities and places and buildings and moods and props and everything was just really, really fantastic.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's a lot of people myself included that are kind of rooting for Jack Fisk.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So to just a set this up, uh, the Marty Supreme directed by Josh Saffty, the the Saffty brothers have a split up and directed their own movies this year.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about both today.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and to the
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: plot is Marty Mouser, it's based on a real story, by the way, but the plot is Marty Mouser, a young man with a dream, no one respects ghosts to hell and back in pursuit of greatness, and that greatness is he wants to be the number one ping pong player in the world, and we did talk about this David and I in the best picture preview, we'll also mention it again for costumes today, and it will be discussed further in upcoming episodes,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: related to its other nominations in editing cinematography, directing, original screen play, casting, and lead actor for Timothy Shalomay, which is, I think, where it's most likely to win.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it got nine nominations in total.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: What did you, did you saw the movie?
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of it over there?
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I sure did.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely loved it.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really loved his uncut gems for Josh Safty.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you know his style.
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: But for me, it really captured the kind of American...
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: ego and superiority we fell to after World War II and the booming optimism that Americans had, that they could do absolutely anything and the microcosm of Marty Mouser being that person, was just done to the health.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, there is nothing that can stop me.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is who I am.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make it happen.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is no reason why I shouldn't.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know and and and then the movie is about all of the people and the situations that he drags along with him so it was very for me kind of edge of the seat very exciting I rolled my eyes a lot like oh my god there's no way he's gonna get away with that that's not gonna happen oh yeah oh no you know
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I just thought it was a really great character study and just I always enjoy watching films where how are they going to get out of that situation.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea, you know, and so I just thought it was a great film.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of fun.
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you.
• 10:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I quite like it.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did not like uncut gems.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was too stressful.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Visurable.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was like mine stressful.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is stressful film too.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, true.
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I, I like stressful if it's holding me engaged, but uncut gems.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just was like, I was, I walked away from it thinking like, what did I get out of this?
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I didn't, I didn't learn anything.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, you know, I walked away with a bad feeling.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't know.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really didn't like that.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Marty Supreme, I did like,
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it is equally stressful, I would say, but I had a lot more fun with this, and I think part of it also, you know, no spoilers, but I think part of it is, um, I feel like the central character had more of an arc at the end, and he was someone like I kept rooting for him to do better, you know, and I agree.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it kept me engaged in that way, um, yes.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think also what is her name, Odessa Zion?
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was not nominated for Best Supporting Actress, but she was definitely a contender for that nomination and she also really added a lot to this film.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought I'm going to tell you something amazing.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Both of the ladies did.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was I was definitely hoping that Odessa would have gotten a nom.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think she got a
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: actor nomination.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, she got a she got a bathed on nomination.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, she's she's definitely, I think one of the breakout stars of this film.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and obviously Gwyneth Paltrow.
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen much for her recently.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's nice to see her back.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, probably Timothy Shalom May is walking home with an Oscar from this.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I agree, yeah, yeah, most definitely so that'll be a big deal.
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, but no to kind of bring it back and you know to production design and everything behind it, you know, it was just extremely well done and you know, the fact, you know, I think I think Jack Fisk even looked for the actual tiny little ping pong balls that they used, I mean, the attention to detail is just crazy, you know.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's 80 now Jack Fisk.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I asked him like wanting to make sure he gets his due.
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he apparently like hunted down tax office photographs to reconstruct the 1950s New York that doesn't exist anymore.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he really went above and beyond and put a lot of passion into this.
• 13:05
  [UNKNOWN]: So
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one thing you hear a lot is about this movie and other movies that are so well done is New York City was a character in this film, as much as the actors were.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, yeah, it was really, really terrific.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And just as a side note, his Jack Fisk is married to
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if anyone would like to watch this, which you of course should, it's one nominated for, as I said, nine Oscars is here, it's 2.5 hours long, it's currently in theaters, but it is coming to video on demand on February 3rd.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, let's rotate to my favorite, which will be talking about in all three categories today, sinners.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say it's my favorite film overall.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not necessarily my favorite for this category.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to that, although, yeah, it could be very happy to see it win also.
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but so, sinners for production design, this is Hannah Beechler's second nomination.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She won for Black Panther, as you pointed out, and set decoration was Monique Champagne.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is her first nomination, the film, obviously directed by Ryan Cougler about trying to leave the troubled lives behind twin brothers returned to their hometown to start again, only to discover that an even greater evil is waiting to welcome them back.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we did talk about this David and I in the best picture preview and we'll talk about it again today in costume and makeup and hair and also in many episodes to come including those covering it it's other nominations 16 and total the other ones are cinematography VFX film editing sound score original song for iLi to you by Raphael sedique and lug wig gorenson
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... original screenplay director for an cochlear casting supporting actor for delroy lindo supporting actress for when we musaco and lead actor for michael be Jordan what what are your thoughts on the film over all and as it pertains to this category uh... uh... i too feel the same way it was probably my favorite film of the year um... i
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was, I remember how it felt seeing it in the theater.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was so blown away and had never seen anything like it.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I walked out thinking, my usual test for things is, is I'm, do I want to buy the physical copy of this and be able to play it forever, never, never, even if all the electricity goes out, you know, and you're going to go down and I have to watch it.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because I'm such a Ryan Cougler fan, and I'm such a fan of, you know, the actor,
• 15:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: name, blanking, um, who played the twins.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: But no, I thought it was fantastic.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Michael B. Jordan.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was fantastic.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so original, the way that he weaved so many different narratives together in such an interesting story.
• 16:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I absolutely loved it.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was definitely that.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think for me, ham net, uh, where my two favorites for the year.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: But we're jumping ahead.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 16:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Hannah Beachler for this, she, I mean, she again, everyone in this category obviously went above and beyond, but yeah, she specifically, you know, she of course used archival photos, but then also, I mean, she paid a lot of attention to the color, and I think it really, I mean, this obviously comes down to the cinematography as well, but everything in this kind of looks like
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just an absolutely gorgeous film and it's yeah, I mean, I'm not going to say too much about it now because I'm going to be talking about it in every single episode and I had there's an entire episode dedicated to this, you can find a link in the show notes dedicated to this film that
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jean Anthony and I did, it's one of my favorite episodes we've ever done so definitely recommend checking that out.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to watch the film for yourself, it's streaming on HBO Max and it's two hours and 18 minutes long and it is one of my favorite films of all times now.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's jump quickly though to what I think might be one of at least one of the most likely winners and that would be another film that we covered in full.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can find that episode as well.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Frankenstein.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this was production designer, Tamara Devaro.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is her second nomination after Nightmare Alley.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was with set decoration from Shane Vio.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is his third nomination.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he will after Nightmare Alley, but he also won for the shape of water.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so the director is Guillermo del Toro.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and the plot is, in case you didn't know, Dr. Victor Frankenstein of Brilliant Bautistaical scientist brings a creature to life in a monstrous experiment that ultimately leads to the undoing of both the creator and his tragic creation.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although, I would argue with that last point there.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we definitely talked about this in the best picture preview and we're going to talk about it again today in costumes and makeup and hair and also, uh, in the episodes dedicated to its other nominations, um, cinematography sounds score adapted screenplay and supporting actor for Jacob a lority nine in total, but I do think that these three categories we're discussing today is where Frankenstein is most likely to dominate.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I completely agree.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're definitely front runners without a doubt.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really enjoyed this film.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw it in the theater first, knowing it would be quite a visual spectacle and really enjoyed it.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was, it was gorgeous.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I've rewatched it several times at home.
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just watched it again last night in preparation for our talk today, knowing that we would talk quite a bit about it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But one of,
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of production design, what was so fascinating to me was kind of the way that they described how and we'll talk later and make up about the creature, where a lot of the sets and the backdrop and the scenery and the locations we see in the film are kind of pieced together from scouting locations and
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: and different inspirations that they got from all over, you know, the UK and so forth.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was really amazing the level of craft and technical cudo it took for them to really just imagine, you know, the tower where, you know, Frankenstein brings the creature to life and
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: the manners and the mansions in which they lived in, you know, it's just, it really, it really was remarkable and what it worked for for the actors to have been able to live in and just imbued their performance, you could tell.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd say that the two biggest set pieces that people are looking at when they're just thinking about this in terms of production design are the Cliftop Laboratory, which, which yet, Tamera Devarol, she built a 20-foot model of that.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: inside of an abandoned water tower.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I love just the choosing an abandoned water tower made all those interesting like that's why there's that big hole through the center of it, why there's little canals at the bottom of it.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for all the drainage and everything.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad choice.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then definitely.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The other biggest set piece would be they built this entire Arctic ship and put it obviously on a, on a, it's an outdoor sort of soundstage, but, um, outdoor lot.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But,
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but anyway, they took a lot of inspiration from, you know, with a direction of Guillermo del Toro, a lot of inspiration from Gothic classics, but with he wanted everything to be more colorful than you might usually think of with you.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Checked that box, yeah.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Colourful it was, yeah, no, we had it out.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it was, it's always fascinating the magic of moviemaking, but the fact that, you know, the Arctic scene with the ship and the ice,
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: was basically, you know, parking lot, you know, the way they're able to just convert, you know, that space into, you know, let's, let's build a ship and let's build the ice in the icebergs and everything like that.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's it's.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was really just amazing.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm wearing my Edinburgh, Scotland T-shirt, because I know much of the inspiration for the filmmakers and Guillermo del Toro was some, you know, castles and manners in Scotland and so forth, churches and all that kind of thing.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, really, Mary Shelley, the author of the book she loved Scotland, she spent some time there growing up and that was definitely an Edinburgh is was famous for being a place where there were a lot of medical students who needed bodies and bodies were sometimes paid under the table to men who acquired them through unsavory means, but they needed that to study, so
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's part of the inspiration for Frankenstein.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And just the amount of detail that you see in his lab or in his library and things like that, you know, is is just chest kiss.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yes.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely gorgeous.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to see the Gorgia City for yourself, it is on Netflix 2.5 hours long, 2.5 hours long.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although it is being re-released in a lot of theaters right now, Netflix has allowed it because of the nominations.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to see it on the big screen, I did also first see it on the big screen.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's way to do it, obviously.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: We would highly recommend, because I know sinners, I plan on sinners.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care where I have to travel, but it's coming back and I have so I'll get in the car and go.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, if you can see any of these in the theater, that's always the best place I would.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, especially this is one of the, like, all three of these categories today are visual categories.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, right, they are.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take a quick break here, be right back.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's pivot to your other favorite film of the year, Hamnitz.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, the production designer was Fiona Krombi.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is her second nomination after the favorites, which is also the case for set decorator Alice Felton.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: This film, Hamnitz was directed by Chloe Zhou.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: The plot is the plot.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: powerful story of love and loss that inspire the creation of Shakespeare's timeless masterpiece Hamlet.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We did talk about this in the best picture preview and we'll also bring it up again in costumes today and talk about it more.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It got in its other nominations eight total, but the others were score adapted screenplay director for Chloe Zhao casting and lead actress for Jessie Buckley
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's definitely the the theater nerd in me and you know, so that's a big thing.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I really know Jesse Buckley and Paul Mescal from their theater performances, you know, that they did over in the UK.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I knew of them first as being really strong stage actors.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when I understood what Ham that was about, the theater that I went to see it in, of little art house theater, so it's nice and small and intimate, and my seat was pretty much at the same eye level, and I kind of did it that way, as the actors were in the film.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I went into it, deciding to experience it, as if I was watching these two power houses on stage.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is really what put me in this great mindset.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I was just watching the two of them, and then of course the the the child actor who plays their son, and was I was just taken by them, Jaco B. Dup, yeah.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, and so it really felt like I was on stage with them.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was just so incredibly moved in the fact that, you know, where we end up,
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, is, again, we're talking about William Shakespeare, so most likely we're going to end or at least at some point be on stage with one of his plays and we were and it really, really touched me.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: The audience that I was with reacted almost in the same way that they did in the film.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I was just very deliberate about how I wanted to experience this film.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, knowing what I was going in, uh, to see.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a big part of why I loved it.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm, I'm a huge fan of Jessie Buckley.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I, I will see anything that she does.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think she's, one of the most talented actresses, uh,
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, there is period and of sentence.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I just, I, because of the passion that I have for art, you know, I just, art can be what connects us, what gives us the empathy to understand what it's like to walk in other shoes or to allow us to tap into feelings.
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: that I didn't know I had or forgot that I had, you know, and, you know, and so I've definitely had a lot of grief in my life over the past several years and so it was very cathartic for me as well and that's what I love about the power of art in our lives and how and why it's so important.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So because of what the movie was about and of course the book before it, that's why it resonated so strongly to me.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And did you say have you read the book?
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I have the book now and I normally I like to read the book first.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I always tried to read the book before I say a movie, but it just didn't happen so Yeah, do you have no?
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so I have 24 hours in a day.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know, all right.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I quite like this film I was nervous going in because I thought of it as like the sad film
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it was, I have to say, the sad thing doesn't even happen until at least the midpoint just passed the midpoint, I would say, so only the last hour is sad, but in the ending, I mean, I talked about this more, obviously, in the best picture preview, but the ending just really makes it all come together.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so it's just, it's, yeah, yeah, and I, I'm a William Shakespeare fan, you know, the, his writings at least or I do, I do have, I'm conspiracy theory is, uh, theory curious when it comes to Shakespeare and who did else.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, right, can we know this right now?
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: No disrespect, but there's some interesting, but I have like, I've been distracted on pun Avon to his house.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been to the globe in London.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was cool to see these on screen.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were,
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't, they didn't film on location, they were recreated.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's very impressive.
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They repositioned the globe's dressing room, as you said, to that eye level, so that William could connect with his wife Agnes from the stage when they had that final scene and then we'll leave it at that, because I don't want to, yeah.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's getting a lot of kudos for the recreation of the globe theater.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's um, I mean, it just, you do when you watch it, you feel as though I like the directing, we'll talk about that obviously in a different episode, but I like that she kept the directing modern, because people always like, oh, people in the past behave differently.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, they spoke differently, but I don't, I mean, people were still people.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why that's why Shakespeare resonates even today.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh, yes, yes, lost.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, ambition.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, but even like mannerisms and things like that, people got excited.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't just like stiff and, you know, anyway, that's directing, but in terms of production design, like you have that, you know, they feel like people you might know today, but the setting makes you feel
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: transports you back to that time.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you really feel as though you have stepped into, you know, the 17th century, or ways of 15th century.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yep.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is this is a gorgeous one.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be talking about it.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously a lot more But if you want to watch it yourself, it is in theaters now, but it is also coming to video on demand on February 3rd and it's two hours and six minutes long and you definitely should watch it
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: stick with it, just hang in there and yeah, bring to shoes, bring to shoes with the first hour.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not really sad at all.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like their courtship and everything.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a statement on the lead character and how she lives with nature and with the world around
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's, oh, she must be, you know, weird and perhaps a little evil and but she just just a great female lead character.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just really fell in love with it.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so that brings us to the last for this category, the other most nominated film of the year, one battle after another with production designed by Florentia Martin, who this is our second nomination after Babylon, also the case for set decorator, Anthony Carlino,
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: One battle after another is directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, and it's about when their evil nemesis resurfaces after 16 years, a band of ex-revolutionaries reunite to rescue the daughter of one of their own, and so obviously talks about this in the best picture preview, and we'll be talking about this in other episodes for editing cinematography, SoundScore, Adapted Screenplay,
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Supporting actress Fatiha on the Taylor, supporting actor for both Benicio del Toro and Sean Penn and lead actor for Leonardo DiCaprio, who was considered a potential front runner until Timothy Shella May ran away with it all.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: What are your feelings for Leo and Battle?
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I will definitely say I'm a huge Paul Thomas Anderson fan, so, you know, I love almost everything that he does.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was terrific, you know, timely for sure, you know, about kind of imagining the characters and what they're trying to survive was felt very relevant and topical to what we're kind of living through now.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, it...
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think what I love about Paul Thomas Anderson and his movies and I probably won't say this very well, but I mean, it was funny, I mean he's funny and you know, and you know, and so there's there's always a twinkle in the eye and a little wink in the nod, you know, to.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: to the characters.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I really enjoyed Leo's performance in this.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, but yeah, I thought it was a great film.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not quite there where, oh my God, it was one of the best of the decade.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm quite at that level at all, you know, I would probably choose other Paul Thomas Anderson films.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would have be honest, but you know, but no, it's, you know, it's a terrific film and it's extremely well done like all of PTA's films.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I am even more lukewarm than you, um, for me.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was a fine film.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I indeed.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like, I know a lot of people who are really Paul Thomas Anderson, D. Votes.
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am not one of those.
• 33:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he is one of the great directors of our generation, but I don't necessarily connect with his films to the same degree as a lot of others.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there are obviously some that are just masterpieces for all time.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, for me, this is not really one of them.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fine.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think for me this cinematography is the most interesting part.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that in another thing.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess for me the biggest thing is like everyone told, you know, I think I saw it like a week after it came out.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So really early, but not opening night and everyone's like, oh my god, this is the film you need to see about fascism and then I went in and I watched it.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, is it though like just having a fascist in it?
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Does it mean that it has something to say about it?
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was, you know, it was like, well, like, if I want a film that's about why fascism and how to handle it and that what it does, then I'm gonna watch like the long walk or something.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a much better job about that.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, no, yeah, yeah.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ada had a fun cast.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it did.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, absolutely.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was almost.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the the the fascism, if you will, and the film was almost like, okay, well, this is just the, this is the villain in our movie, you know, that we have to overcome and how do we fight it and combat it and.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: to your point, there really wasn't a deep dive as to why the villain was there in the first place.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what we really need to do to combat said villain, which is fascism, but yeah, anyway, I interrupted you great performances, you know.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's far as production design, I think that, I mean, I just think that the writings a bit messy, so anyway, we'll talk, that's another episode.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as far as the production design, I think it is really, really great production design.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have no issues with it being nominated here, certainly.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: hand-hewn escape tunnel and other entire structures from scratch.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I know a lot of work was put into this into creating these worlds.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think about like, in terms of their set, they talk about set decoration, but also in terms of location selection with
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: like that Warren of rooms, the Pinesio del Toro leads.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that whole world in the world that Pinesio del Toro's character lives in and the shops that they run and the schools and the, you know, the gymnasiums where their community gathers, yeah, was was done to such specificity, really felt like you were, yeah.
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know this was one that was in the discussion for makeup as well, didn't get the nomination, but I think the standout there was no spoilers, but Sean Penn gets a different level of partly through the film.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he does.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he does.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Sean Penn's looking that kudos.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously my whole home attitude toward this does not reflect the majority of people I would say.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, David was so activated by this film that he ended up leading coverage of it on three episodes so you'll find those linked in the show notes.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to watch it for yourself, it is also now streaming on HBO Max 2 hours and 42 minutes long.
• 37:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, those are the five nominees, Frankenstein, Hamlet, Marty Supreme, one battle after another, and sinners for production design.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear the final word on your personal preference.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And who do you think probably will win?
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think Frankenstein will probably win.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I would predict, um, my personal preference is probably the same, uh, if not also with centers, but I would probably have to say, well, no, because I just was raving about Marty Supreme.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we kind of, I would not, I would not be unhappy if Marty Supreme won, uh, you know, uh, so that would kind of be a personal preference for me.
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be pretty thrilled.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: How about you?
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's between Frankenstein and sinners to win, um, and I would be very happy with either of them.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be mad at any of these winning.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I personally would put one battle last just because.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, you've convinced me of the Jack Fisk deserves this also as career recognition for and Marty Supreme is just fantastic capturing, uh, 1950s, not only New York, but also Japan, we should say as well, um, right.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, it's a very strong category, obviously, all five are best picture nominees, I've to say, it's the exact same five nominees for production design for the Baptist.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the British Academy Awards for anyone who doesn't know.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's the exact same five nominees, so clearly something.
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those are, yeah, those are the five
• 39:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: the the rest of the there's no long there's no shortlist for this for the Oscars but the baffles do have a longlist and the rest of the longlist was ballad of a small player I have not yet seen that one I'm gonna watch it before I do my baffles episode the others I have seen the fantastic for first steps which I mean would have been worthy we do love Kazra for honey on this network he did also the Loki production design
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mickey 17 and under-recognized film this year from Bong Junho, Superman, obviously we love it, we have an episode about it.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tron Aries, I finally watched recently and I did people are too hard on that film.
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: you obviously are with the people.
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the writing is not good, but the production design, the VFX, the music, that is all spectacular.
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'll put it on probably like for a second screen experience, but yeah, I'm, yeah.
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: not really big fan of that fair.
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: But okay so the last on the bathed along list we have to discuss this one wicked for good.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ten nominations last year ruled these categories last year.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: This year totally blanked.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are your feelings about that?
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously in the first, the first movie was the one that was nominated last year.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can take it to mention how you look at it because if you look at the guild nominations, which we do because
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Oscars are voted on by Category by that specific branch, so the fact that the Guild still recognized wicked for good in the categories we're talking about today, so costume and makeup and production design.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: As a matter of fact, I think the John Chu is getting some sort of
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think in February or something for the work that he and his team did for Wicked.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the guild love is still there, but when it was, and I think they were on BAFTA, you know, or shortlisted or whatever, um, you know, so they were on the cusp for sure.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like they were completely ignored or counted out.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think for the branch of the academy, um, they're like, yeah, we gave those to you last year.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kudos, we loved your work.
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: didn't see anything new this year.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: You basically took a film and spliced it in half and you know, and so there just wasn't an innovation from one film to the other or a major difference from from Blaster's film to this year's film.
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was essentially one film and then they just cut it in half.
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that there was enough innovation and new work that the branch
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think it was probably pretty close, but yeah, you know, the guilds are going to give them a love, but the Oscars are like, yeah, great.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's next?
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you have your Oscars.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I heard like we'll talk about makeup obviously more as a last kind of glory, but makeup has a little more rigorous process in the way to nomination, including a bake-off where the shortlisted contenders give presentations and apparently wicked for good.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Their presentation focused too much.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: on previous work and make up rather than and focus less on the new characters because they're were new characters like they they were scared of the scarecrow and and a kid man yeah and so I think they just and maybe this is also something that the academy is learning now because we saw also with Dune Part 2 I would say Dune Part 2.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: For me, blows part one out of the water, and I was very upset if you've heard coverage last day, I was very upset.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't recognized more, but there seems to be a sequel fatigue with the Academy.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as you say, the I think they're learning now that like if you want awards recognition for the second film, you really need to emphasize what's new.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that's what didn't happen for Wicked for Good.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you said it perfectly.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I share your anxiety about Dune, you know, because I definitely felt like, you know, I know Dune got a lot of below the low-the-line wins and so forth, but I'm really scared about.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, wait till the third movie comes out and then we have, you know, Villeneuve is his Kudo and I'm like,
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that's what people said with wicked for good with acting again different category, but yeah, but nothing.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it got blank.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just wasn't if there just wasn't any sort of step forward.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, anything that they did.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, in production design, or we can talk about it in all three categories together, which again, I'll make up production design more or less.
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what do you think were the other big misses for you this year that didn't get nominations?
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: For production design, oh, that's a good question.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mentioned Heta already.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, well, he had to be right there with with the costumes for sure.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was more of a, yeah, maybe not so much head of for production design.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the house and, and yeah, yeah, but head of for definitely for, I mean, we're talking about them all together now.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So for costumes, head of was really for costume.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, agreed.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if we're talking about all of our categories today, then yeah, I
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: had it was probably really, really close.
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure it didn't get in there at the Oscar level.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Simple because there wasn't any other momentum behind the film.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, for Tesla Thompson not to get nominated or anything else.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that they're just wasn't general momentum behind the film is just probably why didn't quite get.
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, uh, over the line for the, for the final five for the Oscars, uh, justice for Nia de Casta.
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone goes to the bone temple.
• 45:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, or what, head is on on prime.
• 45:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I should say you can watch it right now.
• 45:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's based on the classic play.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I did a deep dive on Heta to, uh, watch previous versions of the play.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, uh, so I really appreciate the innovation with this version.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh 100%.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, other ones that bump me out is, um, um, no, I don't know.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll kind of, kind of leave it there.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see the testament of Emily?
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it just opens to a little indie theater yesterday.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, how about you?
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did, I have seen it, like I wouldn't have put it for best picture anything.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a bit dower.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the musical stuff was the most interesting, Amanda Saifried, should have gotten lead actress, but yeah, that's a whole other conversation because it's a whole other character.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the production design for the testament of Anne Lee and the costumes are immaculate, just recreating, again, this very historical move, was that 17th and 18th century.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I should know better.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I leave that part of my brain for my brother, the historian.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if there's anything related, I just, you know,
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's worth it for, especially the musical sequences are really interesting and the production design.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, and Amanda, say free.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would say Lewis Pullman should have been also had more buzz around him for supporting actor.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I forget the studio that did this, but they they botched the release on that coming from a VR perspective.
• 47:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: They just no one saw this film.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It would have been more in the conversation had there been a more thoughtful and timely release.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's one thing to have for your consideration screenings, but no one did just
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, it was a search light.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was the first year that search light blanked.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they, this one, which is weird for them.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We also talked about in the nominations reactions episode David and I both really liked rental families.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Another one of those of blanks is here.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They really just kind of, I don't know.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're a little off their game this year.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're allowed.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and the last one I'll bring up, I have not yet seen this one because since it didn't get any nominations, I'm doing a whole watch project around it, um, is kiss of the spider woman, which is the new one with, uh, with Jennifer Lopez and Diego Luna.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this one is, it's, it's a remake of a prior film, but so the prior film is based on a book.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm going to, I'm watching through all of the classic monster movies, the book references.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then this new one references a bunch of like classic musicals from the 50s and 60s.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm watching all of those as well.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So nice, just going to get full appreciation of kiss of the spider womb by the time that I see it, but obviously having seen the stills in the trailer and everything, production design and costumes are just absolutely spectacular for that.
• 49:04
  [UNKNOWN]: So.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't look too closely.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're in my notes somewhere.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if kiss of the spider woman got any gild kudos, but yeah, so.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just, it's another one that just fell through the cracks, yeah.
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a competitive year.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will say there's other, it's two others.
• 49:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would bring up in this category if they weren't, if makeup hadn't caught them and it's net.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's Cocoa O and the ugly stepsister.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll talk about those there.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Big year.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're right, beautiful.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a very beautiful year, very competitive year, great year for film.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you're right in less competitive years.
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: They absolutely would have been there.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: The misses were talking about.
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is a, we're going to, this was a nice long talk about the first category, but of course, we're setting up all these films.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we will take a quick break here and when we get back, we will dive into costume design with one new entry that you've done extra research into, so we appreciate it better.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Be right back.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and so we are back to discuss costume design and this award was first given out in 1949.
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And initially, there were actually two categories, one for color films and one for black and white films.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they merged those two categories in 1967.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I've said Emmys, now the way that they do it is they'll have like period and fantasy costume designs
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: because here we do find contemporary false through the cracks.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now definitely not always because we saw last year what's it called a complete unknown, which is, I suppose it's period but like, yeah, but it's contemporary, yeah, yeah.
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we definitely, and for this Marty Supreme is period,
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: contemporary period.
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But here the five nominations are Avatar Fire and Ash with Deborah Lynn Scott as costume designer.
• 51:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the two veterans in this category.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is her second nomination and she also won for Titanic.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's been a while.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Frankenstein, Custom Designer Kate Holly, Hamnitt, Custom Designer Melgosia, Tuzanska, and Marty Supreme, Custom Designer Miyako Bellizi, and it's the first nomination for all three of those.
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And finally, of course, sinners, Custom Designer Ruth E. Carter, this is her fifth Oscar nomination.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: She won twice for both Black Panther movies,
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: We just talked about those four, so let's dive into the new one here, Avatar, Fire and Ash, directed by James Cameron.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the third and the series, the spot is in the wake of the devastating war against the RDA and the loss of their eldest son, sorry, spoilers for the previous movies.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jake Sully and Nateri face a new threat on Pandora, the Ash people, a violent
• 52:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jake's family must fight for their survival and the future of Pandora in a conflict that pushes them to their emotional and physical limits And we will also talk about this one when we talk about it's other nomination VFX But yeah, this is the one where I would like when nominations came out this probably got the most what the fuck reaction from people Have you seen this yet
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I like you not an avatar person although I'm the first two movies.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love the first.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh good.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did see the first one and You know It was
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was fine, but I, and I've watched the second movie, but I have not seen the third movie that's being nominated in the future.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I, for me, it's more I'm a real snob when it comes to scripts and writings, you know, so.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not James Cameron is not my favorite writer.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just put it that way.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want him to direct and I want him to, you know, break, let other people break the walls and let other people write is is the way I want to go.
• 53:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I just as a story, it doesn't interest me, but I have a great appreciation for what it is that he is doing.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and I think just to kind of jump in one of the things then I
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, again, he's gotten it with visual effects and so forth, but the whole performance capture, and we talk about this, especially in, and Laura Hound's lore, you know, how many of us wanted to see, of course, my mind is going blank, who played in the Lord of the Rings movie, the,
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the actor who played, you know, the motion capture.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, should definitely, I mean, you know, his performance, his acting, you know, that should be a category, you know, some day, maybe for the Oscars in 20 years.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: But James Cameron is someone who's just way ahead of the curve and performance capture is how these films are, um, I, it,
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: to really understand these are not animated or CGI films that they are combined or performed.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, but performance capture, if you don't have animators working on it to make it actually look natural, they do a lot of work.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: People don't realize how much work they do to make it actually look real.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they are also animated, yeah, I would say.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I think it's just because of the technology and I felt that way about costumes.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, wait, you just go to the visual effects people and they're like, hi, this is a dress and this is a headset and this is an outfit and what costume design, but her shop actually built.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: all of those costumes.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so, I mean, we're talking like, I'm going through my notes right here.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: There were 2,000 costume items that were made, 12, 100 individual items for just one of the plans.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was, in terms of the glass and the wood and the stones and the shells and everything that you see on the different tribes, we're talking like, like literally a million pieces.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So she actually and her team build design, weave, make all of these physical costumes to the tiniest, tiniest detail.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like,
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, a couture for all of these things.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that twofold, one, the actors understand what they're looking like and how they can move in them.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And also, it's for those VFX artists.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's one thing if they're like, yeah, here's a two-dimensional drawing of a costume or a head dress.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: and it's up to their imagination, but when you have the actual physical costume and the colors and the iridescence of the feathers of the headdress and how the material feels and the weaving is at a really rough rope or is it really thin silk as it soft?
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: They also do testing on the costumes in terms of movement, um, how does it perform in water?
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is it like when it's really windy?
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when they're flying or, you know, near heat, how does that affect what's happening?
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So all of it is definitely in service of
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: the VFX.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that she made all of these things that that technically we could walk into a warehouse and there would be literally tens and tens of thousands of these costumes that exist.
• 57:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think was under appreciated until now.
• 57:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think James Cameron and his crew and and Weta are really just, again, this is me putting the public relations hat on.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: which I used to do, but they are really campaigning for her specifically in the costume design.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's definitely gotten a lot of guild nominations, but she's actually getting a career achievement.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Guild nomination next month and so she's
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're definitely someone that they've chosen to elevate and to demonstrate that this is next step.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is how we, as costume designers, yes, everything is becoming AI and computer generated and everything like that.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: But as costume designers, this is how art art form can move forward with the way they are making films.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: what she has done in the campaign behind her and how much more she is out there.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was a little more top of mind for this particular branch.
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm glad that I, yeah, I'm glad that I took a deep dive.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate what she's done much more.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 58:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I think, as you say, that there is a certain level of career achievement recognition going on, she Deborah L. Scott has done the custom design from everything from ET, you know, going back to the 80s and back to the future.
• 58:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is a film we've talked about in 11Z's Minority Report.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is we're talking about, you know, something that's, that's gritty crime thriller versus a futuristic crime for thriller, fine, but yeah, but you know, the transformers not a good movie, but you can't fault the costume design.
• 59:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like the amazing Spider-Man 2, she's done, you know, just been all over the place.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I completely understand that the respect for her and the fact that she's done all of this and yet she's only been nominated twice and she did win for Titanic.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's great.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I see why you're right.
• 59:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, let's give her her.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's give her her do for sure and, you know,
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like a, I just saw, of course, deep dive, watched an interview of her and so many of her costume choices are like in the, you know, American film Institute in the Smithsonian, you know, Marty's puffer vest and like we were talking about an ET and the red hoodie and everything.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's just, she really is, you know, the top of, just the top of her game and forefront and just again, the fact that she's thinking, you know,
• 1:00:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, guys, we need to get with the times.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is how we can get with the times, you know, not hardly anybody has James Cameron's money to do that because who and they had could afford to actually make all of the costumes and then, let's see.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you're basically making them twice in this case, right?
• 1:00:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're like making two movies, you know, easy, yeah, yeah, so it's it's cool.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: She won't win, but I hope that again, me being the movie lover that I am and the fact that I cared enough to do a deep dive.
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that my new appreciation for what she did and what others do for
• 1:00:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: James Cameron's films, Avatar Films, you know, open some doors, and again, I, you know, on nearby Kent State University is near where I live, here in Akron, Ohio, and Kent does have a costume degree and they have actually a renowned costume museum where a lot of amazing collections are there.
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I also,
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: being in higher ed, think about how are we teaching the next generation of costume designers.
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I really see Deborah Lynn Scott as someone who could really, who's really set the example for how these kids can still matter in the industry.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, moving forward.
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, shut up now.
• 1:01:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, for me, for this film overall, as I said, I, you know, the first avatar absolutely blew my mind like most people when it came out 200 years ago.
• 1:01:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was a great defender of the second film as well.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was even in my top 10 of the year.
• 1:01:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one, this one actually, I don't know.
• 1:01:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of annoyed me for some reason.
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, I got very mad at the writing for this one.
• 1:01:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've founded, I was definitely in a bad mood in the theater.
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a three hour and 18 minute long film.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw it in a 4DX, which was maybe the 40X for the second one was really pleasant.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I talked about this already so I won't go into it too much, but this was like kind of I don't know I didn't enjoy this experience as much and I was just so mad at the writing throughout that it kind of Soured me on it overall, but in terms of the costume I would say the real thing for me like Okay, I understand you'd create it all this and you and you scan it in all right, but the real like
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: If Wicked is being punished, Paul Tauselwell won this category last year.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a historic win.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: If Wicked is being punished for not having original enough costumes, I would say this one only has really one new costume, which is that fire character Varong, which is cool.
• 1:02:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great look.
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's very impressive that's easily my favorite character in the new movie.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't, yeah, I think this is indeed for Deborah Oskat rather than for the film itself.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I felt the same way you did Alicia, and I'm like, okay, well, what's different from this, the second film to this film?
• 1:03:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess it is, and because I haven't, I don't know the films like you do, but I thought maybe the two new clans that were introduced in this third movie, you know, maybe brought in some,
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's one new plan introduced to you one new plan.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so there's really just yeah.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd say it's one additional costume.
• 1:03:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are other, but it because it's like with a new clan, there's one character that matters and then other people in the background, and they don't really.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that the new movie was going to actually go to where they come from when we were going to see new landscapes and learn cool new things.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they actually, and I'll bring this up again when it comes to VFX, they mostly relied on the production design that they had already created.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And instead brought the fire people to the water world.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm just kind of annoyed with this film this year overall.
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know there are still huge avatar fans and if the next one comes out I will I will go and watch it, but I I am with you Lisa, please hire a different writer.
• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Please Oh god, oh Yeah, just oh, yeah
• 1:04:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you and I have the similar, yeah, they can't see our faces, but we're just having the same visceral reactions of, oh yeah, please.
• 1:04:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like right up there with, you know, God forbid, but George, George Lucas should also not write his own films.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, he's another.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he should be a pre-solder.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think he should be.
• 1:04:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, George Lucas did not need to write or write.
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: The dialogue.
• 1:04:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: The dialogue for the prequel.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's a totally another tangent.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we're here to talk about Oscar nominations.
• 1:04:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I'll just, I'll shout out the, the other big, uh, industry vet is Ruth E. Carter.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: She, as I said, this is her fifth Oscar nomination.
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: She has won twice both for the Black Panther movies and I was really championing her for both of those because, you know, she really, uh, especially for the Black Panther second movie, you know, she had to create these costumes that had all these historical references
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: physically could stand up to the demands of this was a film that involved water and wind and, you know, how do you have, how do you have, because they're trying to combine like this indigenous South American.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, culture with the water people.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you have feathers and water and it's just incredible which he was able to do there.
• 1:05:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, for this one, again, rancourgler picked her up obviously through working on the Black Panther movies and clearly brought her into here.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: She had actually started to design these costumes for an iteration of blade that never went through.
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So conveniently, that worked out.
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the costumes are great.
• 1:06:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really recognize it.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: My pick to win though, and I think the likely winner though is first time nominee Kate Holly for Frankenstein.
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did go into my feelings about the costumes for Frankenstein in depth in our Frankenstein episode, but just to shout out some highlights for me is we have that Bohemian look for Victor.
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought really worked.
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: The beetle-like looks for Elizabeth that we're just
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dunning everything me a golf war also like this if you want to know why I think it should win just look at a still of Claire the mother in that red dress on the steps like oh my god.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah
• 1:06:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's fantastic.
• 1:06:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this one is nominated and all three categories today, but do you have anything you want to add about the costumes for either sinners or Frankenstein Frankenstein for sure.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean to understand again, deep dive to understand that for one of my agatha's characters, the dress, what they kind of were inspired by an x-ray.
• 1:07:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so if you look really closely, they actually, you know, they design and made their own prints for these dresses and you can kind of see that her blue dress is kind of like an x-ray and then there's a couple of green dresses that she wears and one of them is basically what they took living cells putting under a microscope right and you know, I mean, you know, and that's where the print pattern comes from I mean just that amazing amazing.
• 1:07:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: attention to detail.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were just exquisite.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I also learned that the team, they teamed up with Tiffany, the jewelry maker, and the fact that they could use and were inspired by Tiffany jewels.
• 1:08:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so a lot of the, in the costume are actually rare pieces from Tiffany that they like never, never let out of the closet.
• 1:08:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was like more security for the jewelry that
• 1:08:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was the collaborativeness of it and the thoughtfulness about the colors and the design and just everything about
• 1:08:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: who the character was, what she was feeling, the effect that she had on others in the room, based on what she's wearing, you know, it was just like a master class of how you do costume design for a film, I think, is yeah, Frankenstein, and I would be thrilled to see Kate Holly get it off.
• 1:08:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kate Holly, she has done especially a lot of genre film, so she's done costume design for everything from the lovely bones, through the Hobbit movies, Edge of Tomorrow, a bunch Guillermo Toro, things like Crimson Peak Pacific Rim, you know, and she, I think especially because she's done genre film, she hasn't gotten her recognition yet, so I'm glad to see her
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if she doesn't walk home with it, then I don't know what we're doing.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no disrespect to the others.
• 1:09:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
• 1:09:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, agreed.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you want to shout out to anything for Marty Supreme, Hamlet or sinners.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think all worthy contenders, we talked about them a lot of a same production design.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, no, nothing extra except for the usual craft attention to detail, you know, and the one thing I've learned over the years and working with actors is how important the costumes are to them.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: They most often don't even feel like themselves or their character until they're in costumes.
• 1:09:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you and I know actors thank them and their speeches and whatnot, but if there are great performances in a production
• 1:10:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of it is because of the great costumes that they were able to wear, you know, so great, great, great films, great costume design, great performances, it all matters.
• 1:10:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So good lineup this year.
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it does also closely coincide with the BAFTA lineup.
• 1:10:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will, I'm going to do a separate BAFTA episode running through the nominees in general to air a week before the BAFTA ceremony,
• 1:10:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that sounds bad.
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the nominations for this category for costume design almost exactly coincide with the difference that instead of avatar, there's wicked for good.
• 1:11:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Downton Abbey, the Grand Finale, which is set in 1930 for those who don't know New Velvet, which is set in Paris in the 1960s, Nuremberg, obviously set in Nuremberg, Nuremberg trial, and one battle after another.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you have any thoughts about any of these?
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I love course.
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Poconia, that's interesting.
• 1:11:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's an interesting contemporary selection.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Down now, he's always going to get Cudos, you know, for his costumes, especially for the Brits here.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was a big fan of Nouvelle Vague, if you're saying that correctly.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Vague, thank you.
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Vague, yeah.
• 1:11:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, no, I think the right ones, I think the right ones got their Oscar Cudos.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't have any other friends.
• 1:11:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're being other cookers.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:11:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.
• 1:11:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, for the Oscars, I still would put it in head over, but anyway, I don't get to you.
• 1:11:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, exactly.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:12:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, oh.
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 1:12:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take one more quick break, and then we're going to come back and talk about the last category, makeup and hair styling.
• 1:12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, make up and hair styling this year.
• 1:12:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was definitely like when the nominations were announced for this category this year, I think I let out an audible, woo-hoo!
• 1:12:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So make up and hair styling does do that.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then as I mentioned before, they have a bake-off for those who make the short list, so that they can all make presentations.
• 1:13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they, yeah, and then say, why do we deserve to actually get the nomination?
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have anything you want to add to about that process?
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wish that they would film the bake-offs, so that we can see the bake-offs.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know!
• 1:13:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I just totally, I think you were having a conversation one of your other pot episodes, you know, I'm like, let me, let me see those demos, you know, I'm a big face-off fan myself, so.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, but I know, I think that's really, you kind of wish they would maybe do that for costume, you know, it's one thing to see the costume up on the film or whatever and maybe you've seen it on a dummy if it's at a for your consideration screening, but it wouldn't be kind of cool to come in with the costumes.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so yeah, I like I like the bake off that's that's kind of cool.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just wonder if this whole process of the because this is definitely the most interesting of these three categories in terms of not just being like copy paste the best picture nominees.
• 1:14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: With enough saying that best picture nominees are best picture nominees because they are.
• 1:14:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: doing excellent things across the board, including in these categories.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But here, yeah, we got some different nameslip in because there are a lot of where they contenders.
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if the whole shortlisting and bake-up makes that possible.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 1:14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it does.
• 1:14:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: um okay but just to rattle off the five nominees before we dive in so we've got Frankenstein back again uh this time the team that's being honored at first nominations for all Michael Jordan Samuel and Cleona Fury uh we have Cocoa we'll talk about this more with uh Kiyoko Toyokawa Naomi Hibino and Tadashi Nishimatsu and this is the first nomination for all of them
• 1:14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: center is back again of course with Ken Diaz this is his third nomination after two movies I haven't heard about dad from 1989 and my family, me, family from 1995 we have Mike Fontaine this is his second nomination after the Batman we've heard of that one.
• 1:15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: and the first nomination for Shunika Terry.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have new to the Oscar's discussion, the smashing machine.
• 1:15:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is from the other Safty Brother, Benny Safty, but the nominees for makeup are Kazuhiro.
• 1:15:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is his fifth nomination with two wins for darkest hour and bombshell.
• 1:15:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Glenn Griffin, first nomination and also the same for Bjorn Rebain Rebain.
• 1:15:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then finally, I can't wait to talk to you about this one.
• 1:15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: The ugly step sister with makeup from makeup and hair from Thomas Foldberg and Catherine Sauberg and the first nomination for both that is a Norwegian film.
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just, yeah, start with Frankenstein and sinners.
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about them before.
• 1:16:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are probably the two most likely to win.
• 1:16:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, for sinners, the big show piece is especially the vampire makeup at the end, in particular, and Frankenstein.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I mean, the styling of Elizabeth, particularly, and also Victor, and all the rest that comes down to a big show piece
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The creature.
• 1:16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you probably can't go on TikTok or Instagram reels without getting some sort of, you know, real about seeing Jacob awardee sitting in the chair for 10 hours as his, you know, make up team, you know, what's everything together.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it really was really quite.
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: extraordinary so rightfully so he's he's getting a lot and I try to pay a lot more attention to the creatures make up as I was watching the film again and you know it's wow and I think to again just Frankenstein and Guillermo del Toro's imagination of it you know this is the creatures someone we've all seen in films and television shows and and to like
• 1:17:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: the creature in such a different way, you know, you get kudos for innovation for sure on that.
• 1:17:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, and might be the best creature design we've seen, and I think so.
• 1:17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 1:17:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of people agree, yeah, a hundred percent, yeah.
• 1:17:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:17:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but to dive into the three films we haven't discussed, I'm going to talk about first my least favorite of the three and I have to say it's now become my least favorite film of the year.
• 1:17:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
• 1:17:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you know just a set of this a set of yeah go ahead set it up yeah so this smashing machine again the and it's not about the makeup the makeup is is very realistically blends in but uh so again the team is Kazuhiro Glen Griffin and Bjorn Raybine
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Kazuhiro is especially the veteran of this team.
• 1:18:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was directed again by Benny Saffty, the other Saffty brother, the plot is in the late 1990s up and coming mixed martial artist Mark Kerr aspires to become the greatest fighter in the world.
• 1:18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, he must also battle his opium.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully,
• 1:18:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: opioid dependence and a volatile relationship with his girlfriend, Dawn.
• 1:18:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the soul nomination for this film.
• 1:18:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it is nominated, especially for reshaping the Rock's face.
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess like the bruising and stuff from fighting.
• 1:18:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's based on a real story.
• 1:18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what are your feelings about the smashing machine?
• 1:18:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I never would watch it unless it was nominated, and so, you know, a hashtag death racing, but, um, uh, you know, Alicia, I have to be honest with you.
• 1:19:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I could not finish the film.
• 1:19:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was so bad.
• 1:19:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, for me, I'm like, okay, I'm watching it for it's makeup.
• 1:19:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I get the idea, and I just, I turned it off.
• 1:19:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just was like, yep, no, okay, uh, yeah, I didn't, I didn't care for the movie at all.
• 1:19:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest, I may I watched it last night because we were doing this.
• 1:19:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, I've got to have got to watch this freaking film.
• 1:19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like like the wrestler for example, I thought that was a great film, you know, that's kind of similar subject.
• 1:19:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this, for me, it's just, um, it's not about the makeup again, which the makeup is very realistic.
• 1:19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is, um, I think it is an excellent quality makeup.
• 1:19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not nearly as exciting to me as everything else in this category.
• 1:19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so that's, that's a thing, but the reason why I didn't like the film overall.
• 1:19:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think just comes down to the writing and directing agreed Emily Blunt is blameless.
• 1:20:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: She is she gave it her all with a really lackluster script that just did not interest me at all.
• 1:20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be honest, I started working on these notes while I was watching it.
• 1:20:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I had a
• 1:20:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: one monitor, I was working on these notes and then monitor next door.
• 1:20:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was paying attention.
• 1:20:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew what happened.
• 1:20:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it was like, yes, he, oh, he's he's expositing again.
• 1:20:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's expositing again.
• 1:20:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're back on chain and they're fighting.
• 1:20:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And those are the three things that happened over and over.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did Safty write this one too?
• 1:20:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was just, yeah, it was
• 1:20:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bad script.
• 1:20:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at it.
• 1:20:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did.
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did.
• 1:20:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I feel bad because like, I know the brother is, I don't, there's so much speculation.
• 1:20:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We won't necessarily get into here about why the brothers split up this year.
• 1:20:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's some ugly stories going around.
• 1:20:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I would say about the other softy about the things that went on on set on the past film and allowing an underage
• 1:21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: a really questionable way, um, but when it comes to the filmmaking, you can, it feels like, okay, if we look at uncut gems, and now we look at this and Marty Supreme, who is the driving force between uncut gems?
• 1:21:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, looks like, oh, looks like Josh on that one.
• 1:21:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:21:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:21:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: 100% yeah, you can't help but feel that way about, you know, Joel and Ethan Cohen, too.
• 1:21:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like,
• 1:21:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just huge difference between these two films.
• 1:21:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the quality, yeah.
• 1:21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you do want to say it for yourself, it is available on video on demand now two hours and three minutes long.
• 1:21:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And not everyone just likes it as much as us.
• 1:21:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, make your own decision.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to see, I think the rock gives an interesting performance.
• 1:21:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm not blaming the cast.
• 1:21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm blaming the writing and directing.
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but let's talk about the other two films, which are way more fun.
• 1:22:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:22:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's dive into Cocoa Ho.
• 1:22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, first-time nominees, Kyoto, Tokyo, Kawa, Naomi, Hibino, and Tadashi, Nishi Matsu.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The director of this film was Lee Sang-il.
• 1:22:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the plot is Nagasaki, 1964, following the death of his accused of father 15-year-old Kakuo is taken under the wing of famous Kabuki actor.
• 1:22:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alongside Shinsuke, the actor's only son, he decides to dedicate himself to this traditional form of theater.
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: for decades, the two young men grow and evolve together and one will become the greatest Japanese master of the art of Kabuki.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you and I were fortunate enough to see this just before the nominations.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, G-Kids for sharing that screener.
• 1:22:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
• 1:22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, soul nominee, but what did you think of the film overall?
• 1:23:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
• 1:23:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.
• 1:23:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fascinated by this time in place in history and you know so that was it was right on my alley there, but it wow.
• 1:23:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was amazing, the character arc for the two young men who are basically, you know, growing up together and, you know, working together and creating their craft together.
• 1:23:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was just absolutely amazing, really enjoyed both their arcs and they went in directions.
• 1:23:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't expect them to go.
• 1:23:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was an amazing film and I was engrossed the entire time.
• 1:23:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was fantastic, looked great, it was beautiful.
• 1:23:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, of course, for me, I guess it pulls at that heart string about the importance of art, you know, in our lives and in culture.
• 1:23:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I always enjoy seeing artists who take themselves seriously and live in a culture that, that they are held in such high regard.
• 1:24:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 1:24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:24:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:24:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one is one of the tougher ones to see right now.
• 1:24:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It isn't theaters.
• 1:24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure, not everywhere in the US.
• 1:24:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, but it is at least in some theaters now in the US.
• 1:24:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is a long watch.
• 1:24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is a tone of a movie.
• 1:24:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is nearly three hours, two hours and 54 minutes.
• 1:24:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I personally also found it wholly and grossing.
• 1:24:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is an adaptation from a novel.
• 1:24:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I know they cut out a lot and I wonder if they cut out more of the accuses stuff.
• 1:24:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have mind it seeing more of that.
• 1:24:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing.
• 1:24:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:24:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's because they're covering like this entire life of it's not just about Kakuyo but also about his.
• 1:24:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, he's taken in by Ken Watanabe plays Kabuki master who takes him in and kind of raises him and trains him alongside his own son.
• 1:24:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it ends up being about the rivalry between these two boys over many years.
• 1:25:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's an epic tale for sure.
• 1:25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just.
• 1:25:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: um you know it's been out in Japan for a while now it is now the highest grossing live action film in Japan ever with 125 million in Japan alone on a budget of 8 million so wow
• 1:25:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think about, um, we have Abby is a big member of our community.
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: She also is my co-host in the, uh, We'll shift us book club and she saw it in Japan.
• 1:25:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's where she lives.
• 1:25:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And afterwards she was saying, you know, it was like she smelled the makeup and the old kimonos and yeah, absolutely.
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh.
• 1:25:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: it just really like the I mean it should have in another world it would have been in greater consideration for production design and costumes as well at least.
• 1:25:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah darn that creature, darn that creature in Frankenstein.
• 1:26:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's not the one that we put.
• 1:26:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not at all.
• 1:26:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, yes, oh yeah clearly, but no it's yeah it's oh my gosh it did and it always
• 1:26:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It amazes me that they had to do their own makeup as well.
• 1:26:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just that alone is an art form and the movement is an art form and the kimono.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: The costume is an art form and for, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
• 1:26:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was glad.
• 1:26:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was glad that I got some like in I went I've traveled through Japan and in Kyoto for example, I was taught that the makeup like you need to look at the back of the neck and it shows the status of whether someone's a geisha or gyco or
• 1:26:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: a couple of different things in different areas and so I was able to pick that out in, you know, the makeup as the film was going on and that was, it is one.
• 1:26:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much richness in there, but I think they did a good job translating this for international audiences.
• 1:27:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I learned a lot
• 1:27:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: again theater you don't have to twist my arm so you know yes it was a yeah yeah so that was really cool loved it.
• 1:27:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just say the title, Kukuhou means national treasure.
• 1:27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a status that you can get as an artist.
• 1:27:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, someone might be get a day or a star status in the UK.
• 1:27:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, this film is clearly a Kukuhou of Japan now and I'm very glad to see it get some recognition and makeup is a great category for it to be recognized in.
• 1:27:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, 100%.
• 1:27:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that brings us to our last nominee in here.
• 1:27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last nominee we'll discuss today.
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, her, baby, her is in the house.
• 1:27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've got the ugly step sister.
• 1:27:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a Norwegian film, first time nominees for Thomas Foldberg and Anna Catherine Sauerberg.
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: The film was directed by Emily Blickfield, her first feature.
• 1:28:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: and the plot, the plot is in a fairy tale kingdom where beauty is a brutal business, a viral battles to compete with her incredibly beautiful step-sister, and she will go to any length to catch the princess eye.
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I should say her mother will force her to go to any length to catch the princess eye.
• 1:28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a take on the Cinderella story.
• 1:28:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is especially a grim
• 1:28:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Influenced take, you know, you'll see on the poster, there's the chopping of the toes, definitely happens in this and that's not the only thing that happens.
• 1:28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dying to no, what did you think of this film?
• 1:28:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am just so glad that you introduced this film to me in terms of your enthusiasm for it.
• 1:28:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that it was nominated meant that I would most likely have seen it.
• 1:29:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the one film out of like,
• 1:29:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: all 50 films that I'm telling my co-workers at work.
• 1:29:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, you have to see this film.
• 1:29:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just, I loved it.
• 1:29:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I loved when you can take a fable or a story and twist it on its access in such a way that, oh, this is a different point of view.
• 1:29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, of course, that makes perfect sense.
• 1:29:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so just the premise of the story was fantastic.
• 1:29:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, not that it probably hasn't been told, but
• 1:29:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It makes so much sense that what the women had to do and not just in this household, you know, in the Cinderella and her step sisters, but, you know, during that time, what women had to do to meet those beauty standards, you know, and if there are one chance to save their family or get out or, you know, make dreams come true is to be this perfect feminine specimen.
• 1:30:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so that someone in the royal court could, oh my gosh, you know, it just the desperation in which our lead character just went along with everything her mother suggested and she I mean.
• 1:30:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, wow.
• 1:30:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I just was really really blown away by the performance and.
• 1:30:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, the characterization and the desperation and, you know, what what she knowingly did to herself and it wasn't, you know, exactly naive.
• 1:30:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: She knew that this was, you know, really bad thing as she was doing to herself, but she kept doing them anyway, um, you know, my one, I'll be interested to talk to you about it, but it's like, uh,
• 1:30:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the lead actress, she is like a model, correct?
• 1:30:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's a beautiful woman, correct?
• 1:30:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I, so I, in my wrong to say that some of the makeup Kudo is the fact that they made her look.
• 1:31:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: They dressed her down to begin, and then, yeah, dressed her up later in the movie.
• 1:31:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they drew, then they, well, no spoilers, but then they, there might be, yes, there's so much, like the makeup, everything from, yeah, especially the different looks that the primary actress had.
• 1:31:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And also, of course, costume design plays a large role and as the costume design is immaculate and accurate.
• 1:31:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: much rather seen this than Avatar story.
• 1:31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll stop, I'll stop pooping on Avatar.
• 1:31:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is, this is one of my favorite films of the year.
• 1:31:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's in my top 10.
• 1:31:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I call it when I'm trying to, I recommend it to people with caveats.
• 1:31:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say it's very much the substance meets poor things, but even with someone as a strong stomach, I'm watching a lot of these scenes
• 1:31:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: it is a lot uh yeah both surgery stuff and there's a scene with a tapeworm oh my god this is forever burned in my brain
• 1:32:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, me and worms.
• 1:32:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not so much.
• 1:32:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, this is, yeah, I mean, I think production design costume this, it's a soul nomination for makeup, but I think it should have gotten a lot more.
• 1:32:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it would have gotten a lot more if not for the fact that Norway shows sentimental value to submit to the Oscars completely understood.
• 1:32:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that means that, you know, the most Norwegian, Norway I think probably got made got a record number of nominations this year and obviously most of them went to sentimental value and this one's squeaked in with one so I'm just so thrilled to see it on here at all.
• 1:32:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I apologize to the death racers with weaker stomachs for rooting for this.
• 1:32:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh yeah well I think you mentioned at least in one of your other podcast episodes you know that the substance really broke a glass ceiling I think for especially you know body horror and not you know and just a recognition that you know a lot of gore and horror doesn't have to be man turning into wear wolf or something like that you know that that it can just you
• 1:33:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, right to to be a standard.
• 1:33:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:33:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was this film is as beautiful as it is grotesque.
• 1:33:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it is frequently beautifully grotesque like a tapping robot Rodding body.
• 1:33:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:33:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whoo.
• 1:33:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:33:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:33:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's yeah it's yeah I still I can vividly picture the end when.
• 1:33:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're leaving, let's just say that, and it just, yeah, it really was amazing.
• 1:33:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It really is remarkable.
• 1:33:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, would have loved to have seen the bake off, and, you know, I'm sure that, you know, I'm sure this killed literally.
• 1:34:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure, yeah, definitely, but yeah, but no, but based on your kudos, I was expecting again kind of like the substance level of, you know, body horror, but, you know, no, it
• 1:34:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's fitting with a story, and I don't know, it just really, I responded to it the way I won't go down that path, but it's interesting how some movies hit me in different ways, and this one just really drove home to me.
• 1:34:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, what women do to themselves, to be able to meet some sort of standard.
• 1:34:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, brava.
• 1:34:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if if you want to see this for yourself, it's just under two hours long an hour and 49 minutes and it is streaming on movie and I think it's also streaming on Shutter in the US, but I heard it's on Hulu, it's on Hulu, it's on Hulu, I saw it on Hulu.
• 1:34:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and it is that's good.
• 1:34:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's no, there's no, there's no subtitle option for it, but yeah.
• 1:35:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:35:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you have some options to watch it.
• 1:35:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would personally, I mean, I'm a subsover dub's girl.
• 1:35:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you know, it's not everyone is.
• 1:35:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So take that for what it's worth.
• 1:35:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the original version is Norwegian.
• 1:35:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I have no idea.
• 1:35:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you watch the dub version?
• 1:35:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay.
• 1:35:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:35:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just question.
• 1:35:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:35:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
• 1:35:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 1:35:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So then it didn't.
• 1:35:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you did it didn't stand out to you as being egregious because I know some sometimes movies are ruined by dubbs not being as good as the original.
• 1:35:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:35:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 1:35:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure I saw it dubbed.
• 1:35:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 1:35:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have an option for subtitles.
• 1:35:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:35:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:35:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but okay, so the five nominees for this category make up and hair styling again, Frankenstein, Cocuho, sinners, the smashing machine and ugly step sister, what would be your pick and what would be your prediction to win?
• 1:36:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: My prediction is Frankenstein, um, and, uh,
• 1:36:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Personally, I think you can tell from our enthusiasm, co-hoo-hoo, I'm not going to say these correctly.
• 1:36:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Co-hoo, co-hoo, co-hoo, and a stepcister for sure.
• 1:36:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would be just so good, but it's Frankenstein's to take home.
• 1:36:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:36:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think Frankenstein is, yeah, the most likely a worthy winner, unless it's caught up in some sort of sinners sweep, which also I wouldn't have an objection to, um, yeah.
• 1:36:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only one, like obviously the smashing machine were least enthusiastic about, but.
• 1:36:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so glad to see Cocujo and the ugly step sister here and would be thrilled to see either of them win, just to break the expected.
• 1:36:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you and I are also a bit team chaos.
• 1:37:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not the same films win everything.
• 1:37:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: As much as sinners is like one of my favorite films of all time now, right?
• 1:37:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I have exactly, obviously Frankenstein, but yeah, yeah, I love it's like these.
• 1:37:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there'll be, if either wins, you'll hear a shriek heard around the world that it's coming from macron and from answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer to answer
• 1:37:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, basically it comes down to De Niro playing two different roles and having make up for that.
• 1:37:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I put it in the same category as the smashing machine.
• 1:37:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the the others on the long list are Marty, Supreme, Nuremberg, one battle after another and wicked for good.
• 1:37:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Nuremberg is the other one that stands out as not being mentioned before.
• 1:38:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did watch that film.
• 1:38:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's
• 1:38:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I gave it a 2.5 rating out of 5 for the film overall, the make-up, yeah, it's also, it's like subtle transformative prosthetics, where kind of thing.
• 1:38:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think these, I was thrilled to see these five nominees, except for, I would take out smashing machine and put in wicked for good.
• 1:38:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:38:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for sure.
• 1:38:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bath does went in a more expected direction for this, their nominees were Frankenstein, Hamlet, Marty Supreme, sinners, and wicked for good.
• 1:38:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the rest of the bath, the long list, was Bagonia, Downtonabby, the Grand Finale, Nuremberg, one battle after another, and the smashing machine.
• 1:38:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, do you have any final thoughts in these three categories?
• 1:38:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, again, both summing up our conversations that we're seeing is great to see some newcomers come in here in some of these categories and first time nominations, you know, so that's that's really terrific, but, you know, really can't argue with too many too many of these, you know, I'll be pretty happy with whatever turns out, but yeah, so no great stuff.
• 1:39:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, nothing, nothing very eloquent to say.
• 1:39:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what about the rest of the Oscar season?
• 1:39:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Any races you are most excited for?
• 1:39:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious the supporting actor and actress categories are interesting to me.
• 1:39:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm rooting for, I think, Ryan Cougler for you won't get
• 1:39:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: director, directing, but he'll get for original screenplay, reading form, you know, reading form there.
• 1:39:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will be thrilled to see Shalame, Win for Best Actor, and of course, you know, I've already talked about just a Jesse Buckley, so I'm looking forward to that, you know.
• 1:40:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope F1 gets it for sound, you know, I'm a big F1 person, and I saw it in I'm so that might be I might be a weirdo there, but you know, I mean if it deserves anything it certainly deserves sound sound yeah exactly, but no I, you know, and sentimental value I'll be thrilled.
• 1:40:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I loved it.
• 1:40:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was an amazing movie, so it deserves all of its kudos.
• 1:40:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just, I still think about the ending.
• 1:40:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so yeah, no, great year.
• 1:40:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of a single film that I'm like, why didn't anyone give it any love?
• 1:40:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was, yeah, so who's a good year?
• 1:40:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's your pick for Best Picture?
• 1:40:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it'll be one battle after another.
• 1:40:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't want to win.
• 1:41:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 1:41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I would.
• 1:41:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sinners.
• 1:41:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think sinners.
• 1:41:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: OK, I far.
• 1:41:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'm like you.
• 1:41:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a huge, huge, sinners fan.
• 1:41:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everything about that was original and just fantastic and everything, everything that Hollywood and original filmmaking is all about.
• 1:41:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll be rooting for sinners.
• 1:41:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's about it.
• 1:41:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm hope dictating sinners.
• 1:41:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll say yes.
• 1:41:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:41:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I mean, I would love to see, you know, let's give Paul Thomas Anderson directing and then give sinners best movie, you know, and I don't know, what do you think about best casting director or best, you know, because that's what's going to be tricky.
• 1:41:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think this year is that, you know, in the screen actors guild,
• 1:41:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: they do have an ensemble after award and that is literally for, you know, everyone together.
• 1:41:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the the new casting director Oscar might end up being like an ensemble.
• 1:42:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So my eye is on that one.
• 1:42:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just can't help it wonder if it will be the same kind of thing where one battle will win for best picture, but then sinners wins for it's for the cast.
• 1:42:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the consolation prize.
• 1:42:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, so that's going to take some years to kind of work itself out because actually if I were to choose for casting, I would give it to Marty Supreme.
• 1:42:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: because of the originality and the way they, you know, Saffte always kind of taps into real people, you know, for a lot of his cast and supporting cast.
• 1:42:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he, I would have given casting director Oscar to Marty Supreme, but I, you know, I'm fearful it'll go to centers as a consolation prize, so, yeah.
• 1:42:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, I would,
• 1:42:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, so we're going to talk about casting in the acting episode is going to come out after we've gotten the actor awards results.
• 1:43:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I already know next time I talk about this, who has won, but speaking, you know, before that, I do think,
• 1:43:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: that it's possible that sinners does take this home.
• 1:43:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope not as a consolation prize.
• 1:43:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going sinner's sweeps.
• 1:43:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, although I do want, like I said, like Kate Hawley to take costumes and stuff like that, but I want sinners to get mostly hearts.
• 1:43:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would, I mean, I could see Hamlet also being strong in casting just because of we didn't talk about the facts that and we'll talk about this in casting more, but the fact that they got two brothers to play a very interesting duo in the film.
• 1:43:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be too spoilery, but one plays Hamlet, the son of Shakespeare.
• 1:43:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: and one plays Hamlet, the actor who plays Hamlet is in the character and Shakespeare's play.
• 1:43:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact they got two brothers was just very smart and effective.
• 1:44:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we could see that being a strong one in casting.
• 1:44:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:44:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 1:44:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's going to be, that's going to be an interesting category to watch because there's definitely, um, there was a documentary film.
• 1:44:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe it's on Netflix or HBO that was basically the pitch for why there should be an Oscar category for casting and to look back and see the impact that these casting directors have made on so many careers and on so many movies and on so many films.
• 1:44:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what they do is very,
• 1:44:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a talent.
• 1:44:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about art versus science.
• 1:44:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that definitely means more towards an art and having an instinct and going to plays and seeing a wide variety of things and just being able to notice and notice things about people that others would don't.
• 1:44:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a worthy category for sure.
• 1:44:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: But
• 1:44:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's going to be treated more as an ensemble award for a little while, I don't know, we'll see.
• 1:45:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:45:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:45:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see how it all pans out.
• 1:45:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that you'll send in voicemails and things like that.
• 1:45:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know you'll be participating in the award season channel on Discord.
• 1:45:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'd love to see any other listeners who are interested in chatting with us about.
• 1:45:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: all of the above in the rest or if you're not a discord person you can send your feedback to lorehounds at the lorehounds.com you'll find those links in the show notes but yeah we'll definitely check in with you when you're thoughts more at the season unfolds Lisa I hope you'll share them you shared some voicemails last year that were a lot of fun so great we'll do all right well thank you so much for sharing your expertise and insights today
• 1:45:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you again Lisa for that excellent conversation.
• 1:45:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope everyone at home enjoyed it as well.
• 1:45:57
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• 1:46:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'd also love to hear from you directly and include your thoughts in future conversations about these awards.
• 1:46:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can send them to lorehounds at the lorehounds.com or go to the content form on the website and you can even leave a voicemail.
• 1:46:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, since Lisa and I have recorded the BAFTAs have aired, so as expected, Frankenstein swept these three awards at the BAFTAs, I did a little tally of all the precursors of all these nominees, and it's just not even close.
• 1:46:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to production design, Frankenstein is far in the front
• 1:46:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ten wins so far and two times honored elsewhere.
• 1:46:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Two of those wins, including critics' choice in the baffed as to the biggest.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Only missed once, and there's still three pending.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The, oh no, four pending.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oscars, satellite awards, Saturn awards, and art directors' guild awards.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the only other one that comes anywhere near that is sinners with five winds three times honored eight misses so that means it did get a lot of nominations and three and the same for pending none of the other's come close though they are often nominated for the same words with the same ones pending.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: On the costume side, Frankenstein again dominates with eight wins, one time honored, and yeah, it won.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The BAFTA is it won.
• 1:47:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: The costume designer's Guild Awards, it won critics' choice.
• 1:47:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't missed a single award that it's been nominated for on the costume side, and yeah, with three pending Oscars, satellite awards and Saturn Awards.
• 1:47:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: A satellite and Saturn Awards are smaller comparatively awards shows that are how to week before the Oscars on March 8th this year.
• 1:48:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, nobody came even close, sinners was the next closest with two wins and two times honored nine misses and the same three pending.
• 1:48:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: and then make up again.
• 1:48:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Frankenstein with sinners in second place where Frankenstein won, BAFTA, critics, choice, six wins in total.
• 1:48:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Only missed one with those same three pennings, sinner in comparison has three wins under its belt with five misses and the
• 1:48:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would say the other three smashing machine, cocoo and the ugly sister were just kind of under the radar, especially the last two.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: cocoo has only been nominated for one makeup award that I could find, and that's the Oscar.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: it's a bit of a wild card in there.
• 1:49:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: The ugly stepcister has only been nominated for one other award, which it won, which it won the Amanda award, which is the premier Norwegian film award.
• 1:49:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's one for one.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yay, the ugly stepcister, hope lives, I'll see.
• 1:49:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I'd happy be happy, as I said, for anyone in this category, except this imaginary machine to win.
• 1:49:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we shall see on March 15th, that is when the Oscars air.
• 1:49:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: In the meantime, there's going to be a bunch more coverage.
• 1:49:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The next up will be the International Category with Mexican Film Critic Actors.
• 1:49:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have already recorded that.
• 1:49:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Had a nice deep discussion about the five films nominated, and some of the other greatest international films of this year, of 2025, I mean.
• 1:49:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: um and that will be followed by the documentaries category over the weekend with again Rebecca June documentary editor and uh i'm gonna be recording three more next weekend music animation and the tech awards so they're going to be coming coming out faster as we approach we're just a few weeks away from the Oscars now.
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• 1:50:27
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  [SPEAKER_01]: My deep dive with John will be out within a day after this one comes out, I believe.
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