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Sneak Peek into freaky world of pedo-perv billionaire Jeff Epstein. ("Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales" PART 1) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: There's really no nice way to say to describe the
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  Speaker 1: acts attributed to Epstein, But right now I've got it
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  Speaker 1: here in my hand, a book by the renowned Dylan Howard.
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  Speaker 1: You may know him from the National Inquirer. And if
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  Speaker 1: you don't read it, or never have, you've probably wanted to,
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  Speaker 1: because you can't check out at any grocery without seeing
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  Speaker 1: the headlines that scream out at you and say everything
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  Speaker 1: you're thinking on the inside. Also with Melissa Cronin and
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  Speaker 1: James Robertson, let me tell you who they are. James Robertson,
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  Speaker 1: investigative journalist, editor in chief US Weekly who broke the
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  Speaker 1: story of Jeffrey Epstein's first prison's suicide attempt and what
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  Speaker 1: a story that was. And Melissa Cronin, investigative journalist and
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  Speaker 1: author Epstein his name will now live in infamy. Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein crime stories with Nancy Grace and kind of worked
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  Speaker 1: like a pyramid scheme. Gelen brought me in, I brought
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  Speaker 1: other girls in. Those girls brought other girls in. And
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  Speaker 1: no matter what, Jeffrey constantly had that open revolving door
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  Speaker 1: of young women, young teenagers, children, I like to call
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  Speaker 1: them coming through his door. For one purpose and one
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  Speaker 1: purpose alone, and he didn't care what he had to
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  Speaker 1: do to get that reaction from them, to get them
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  Speaker 1: to have sex with him, or get them to I mean,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes he would just in front of them and rub
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  Speaker 1: his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: he'd make them, you know, give him. Gillen participated in
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  Speaker 1: these acts with him as well, you know, and that
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  Speaker 1: was just the never ending psyche that was every single day.
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  Speaker 1: Her words, not mine. Dylan Howard, Chief Content Officer and
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  Speaker 1: VP of American Media, Inc. You were just hearing our
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  Speaker 1: friends at the Miami Herald interviewing the alleged Epstein victim
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  Speaker 1: who cracked the case wide open, Virginia Roberts Jeffrey. But first,
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Howard, you have explosive claims in your new book,
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  Speaker 1: Dead Men Tell No Tales. That's a heck of a title.
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  Speaker 1: But I just had to kick the whole thing off
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  Speaker 1: with Virginia talking about underage sex. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if the BBC was ready for that when that
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  Speaker 1: crossed the airways, but the Miami Herald didn't seem to
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  Speaker 1: have a problem with it, Dylan. They didn't. And what
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  Speaker 1: we've learned over the last seven or eight days. Is
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  Speaker 1: that Prince Andrew's account of his interactions with that young
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  Speaker 1: woman seemingly a very inconsistent with her memories, and she
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  Speaker 1: has receipts to back up her allegations. But what is
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  Speaker 1: far more disturbing is we have already established that Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein was one of the most horrifying villains that the
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  Speaker 1: modern world will ever know, a shameless pedophile who built
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  Speaker 1: this network of child Wait a minute, Dylan, Dylan, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: just a moment, coming from the mouth of the VP
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  Speaker 1: a hauncho at the Inquirer, for you to tell me
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  Speaker 1: that you know, my dear friend was Mike Walker for
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  Speaker 1: years and years and years. Yeah, For you to say
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the worst villains out of all
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  Speaker 1: the villains you've covered, that's saying something, Dylan Hartward, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have covered it all born nine. I just
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  Speaker 1: had to interrupt rudely right there, Go ahead, Dylan, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I say that in the context of the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he was a gentleman who no one really knew the
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  Speaker 1: secrets behind his half a billion dollar worth. We know
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  Speaker 1: that he was and controlling, calculating, and predatory, But what
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  Speaker 1: we didn't know is what we've uncovered in Epstein dead
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  Speaker 1: mentell details, and the conclusion is clear. Take aside, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to minimize in any way the victims
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  Speaker 1: that were subjected to the heinous crimes that Jeffrey Epstein orchestrated,
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  Speaker 1: but the conclusion is clear from the research that we
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  Speaker 1: have done. Jeffrey Epstein was a spy who was running
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  Speaker 1: a complex, intelligent operation for the purpose of blackmailing the powerful,
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  Speaker 1: rich and famous politicians and individuals in the United States abroad.
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  Speaker 1: And the question obviously then becomes for whom who was
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  Speaker 1: he working for? While we've been able to establish that
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  Speaker 1: he's puzzling billion dollar fortune and circle of fame friends
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  Speaker 1: all are connected to three major international countries, Saudi Arabia, Russia,
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  Speaker 1: and foremost Israel. In fact, Ghislain Maxwell. She is the
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  Speaker 1: woman who was Epstein's ex girlfriend and alleged procurer of
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  Speaker 1: these young girls. Her father, Bob Maxwell, was a media
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  Speaker 1: tycoon in Britain who owned the British Mirror newspaper and
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  Speaker 1: I believe at one point owned the New York Daily News.
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  Speaker 1: He too, was a massade spy for Israeli intelligence and
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  Speaker 1: our investigation in Epstein Dead Men tell No Tales speaks
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  Speaker 1: with his spy handler, who says that Israel bequeathed the business,
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  Speaker 1: if you like, and Epstein inherited the spy operations all
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  Speaker 1: Bob Maxwell with Kislaine Dylon. Dylon, Dylon, Dylon, I'm drinking
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  Speaker 1: from the fire hydrant here. That's just too much to
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  Speaker 1: take in and one and one sentence? What's that a sentence?
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  Speaker 1: And that was that was a lot. But I know this.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling me. The three countries that seemingly are connected
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  Speaker 1: to the billions of dollars we believe in the Epstein
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  Speaker 1: estate are Russia, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Epstein allegedly quote
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  Speaker 1: finding a niche blackmailing American and other political figures. Dylon,
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  Speaker 1: as much as I could listen to you, twenty four seven,
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  Speaker 1: three sixty five, Melissa Cronin, investigative journalists and author. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: James robertson Beauty before Age this time, Melissa, you've been
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  Speaker 1: working on this five years, five years of your life.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing. Dylan Howard, author of Dead mentell No tells
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  Speaker 1: It's out now, and I've actually been walking around with
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  Speaker 1: it trying to get to the end of it as
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  Speaker 1: quickly as I could, because it's almost too fantastical to believe.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Melissa, it's a real honor to have you
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  Speaker 1: and James both with me today. Melissa, we've been hearing
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  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew prattle on and the most off putting interview,
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  Speaker 1: one of the most off putting interviews I've ever seen. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: The other aspect of this is that is that I
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  Speaker 1: live in a in an institution at Bucking Palace, which
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  Speaker 1: has members of staff walking around all the time. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't wish to appear grand, but there were a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people who were walking around Jeffrey Epstein's house.
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  Speaker 1: As far as I was aware, they were staff. They
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  Speaker 1: were people that were working for him or doing things
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  Speaker 1: I as it were. I interacted with them if you
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  Speaker 1: were to say good morning, good afternoon, but I didn't,
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  Speaker 1: if you see what I mean, interact with them in
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  Speaker 1: a way that was what are you doing here? Why
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  Speaker 1: you hear what's going on? But you'd notice if there
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  Speaker 1: were hundreds of underage girls, but you'd done but sorry,
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  Speaker 1: You would notice if there were one hundreds of underage
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  Speaker 1: girls in Jeffrey's house. Wasn't there, not when I was there.
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  Speaker 1: Now he may have changed his behavior patterns in order
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  Speaker 1: for that not to be obvious to me. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, this is you're asking me to
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  Speaker 1: speculate on things that I just don't know about. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing Prince Andrew giving a voluntary interview to our
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  Speaker 1: friend at BBC, Emily Maitlis. But he's just on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: He is a planet circling Epstein's son, along with many,
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  Speaker 1: many other powerful and wealthy men. But you've been doing
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  Speaker 1: this five years. People think spies are like James Bond.
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  Speaker 1: They don't get Spies typically are just regular people passing information.
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  Speaker 1: Because when I first heard Dylan Howard's theory that Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: that devil, he is a devil straight from Hell, was
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  Speaker 1: with the Massad was actually a spy. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: would never credit him with that much character and their intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: But that's very simply not true. Spies are not like
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  Speaker 1: in the movies. Melissa. You devoted five years of your
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  Speaker 1: investigative life to this. What have you learned, Nancy, that's
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  Speaker 1: a really great point. Having covered this case since twenty
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  Speaker 1: fourteen with Stylon, when I first heard the theories that
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's there then a spot. I was definitely skeptical. But
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  Speaker 1: as we continued to dig into this and through all
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  Speaker 1: of our resources at resources at this like never before,
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that we found was really just undeniable. Prince
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  Speaker 1: Andrew is just one example of someone very head profile
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  Speaker 1: connected to this case who has been hiding lots to secrets.
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  Speaker 1: So for the very first time, for example, we someone
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  Speaker 1: put out to Jeffrey Epstein's ranch in New Mexico, and
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  Speaker 1: talking to you from our employees out there, we found
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  Speaker 1: that Prince Andrew actually visited that ranch in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and one, just a young woman who had been provided
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  Speaker 1: by Epstein. Now, this was one incident that no one
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  Speaker 1: else never Okay, wait wait, wait, wait waite Melissa, Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: Melissa crying with me. Investigative journalist and author James Robertson,
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  Speaker 1: Editor in chief US Weekly, Dylan Howard, Chief Content Officer,
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  Speaker 1: VP Erican Media. Melissa, hold on, whoa, whoa? What did
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  Speaker 1: you just say about a ranch? Because most of what
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  Speaker 1: we've learned about Prince Andrew is about him visiting Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: home after their fake breakup. I mean, Melissa, Prince Andrew
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  Speaker 1: wants us to believe after Epstein's child assault conviction, he
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  Speaker 1: felt he had to go to Manhattan and hold up
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  Speaker 1: in Epstein's mansion for days in order to quote breakup.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bro breakup, really, that's that. As a
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  Speaker 1: matter of fact. Take a listen to Andrew with the
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  Speaker 1: BBC our friend Emily Maitlis. He was released in July.
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  Speaker 1: Within months by December twenty ten, you went to stay
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  Speaker 1: with him at his New York mansion. Why why were
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  Speaker 1: you staying with a convicted sex offender. I have always
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  Speaker 1: ever since this has happened, and since this has become
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  Speaker 1: as it were, public knowledge that I was there, I've
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  Speaker 1: questioned myself as to why did I go, what was
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  Speaker 1: I doing, and was it the right thing to do? Now?
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  Speaker 1: I went there with the sole purpose of saying to
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  Speaker 1: him that because he had been convicted, it was inappropriate
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  Speaker 1: for us to be seen together. And I had a
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  Speaker 1: number of people canceled me in both directions either to
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  Speaker 1: go and see him, ought not to go and see him.
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  Speaker 1: And I took the judgment call that because this was
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  Speaker 1: serious and I felt that doing it over the telephone
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  Speaker 1: was the chickens way of doing it, I had to
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  Speaker 1: go and see him and talk to him, crime stories
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  Speaker 1: with me. It'sy Grace. He was released in July. Within months,
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  Speaker 1: by December of twenty ten, you went to stay with
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  Speaker 1: him at his New York mansion. Why why were you
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  Speaker 1: staying with a convicted sex offender? I have always ever
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  Speaker 1: since this has happened, and since this has become as
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  Speaker 1: it were, a public knowledge that I was there, I've
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  Speaker 1: questioned myself as to why did I go, What was
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  Speaker 1: I doing, and was it the right thing to do? Now?
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  Speaker 1: I went there with the sole purpose of saying to
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  Speaker 1: him that because he had been convicted, it was inappropriate
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  Speaker 1: for us to be seen together. And I had a
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  Speaker 1: number of people canceled me in both directions, either to
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  Speaker 1: go and see him, ought not to go and see him.
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  Speaker 1: And I took the judgment call that because this was
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  Speaker 1: serious and I felt that doing it over the telephone
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  Speaker 1: was the chickens way of doing it, I had to
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  Speaker 1: go and see him and talk to him. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: do not believe that for one minute. When he's saying
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  Speaker 1: I questioned what I was doing there, I think we
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  Speaker 1: all know what he was doing there. Because steakouts out
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  Speaker 1: in front of the Manhattan home of Epstein show all
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  Speaker 1: these girls going in and out. Of course, Andrew later
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  Speaker 1: explained he thought they were servants. Okay, I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: going to go there, because I'm more concerned about what
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  Speaker 1: you guys are saying in your Brandy book Dead Men
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  Speaker 1: Tell No Tales. Dylan Howard, Melissa cron and Jay Sames
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  Speaker 1: robertson with me, Melissa, what were you saying? I was
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  Speaker 1: just saying that, you know what, Prince Andrew has admitted
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  Speaker 1: to really justify his beliefs. You know, he said that
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  Speaker 1: he had to stay with Epstein in New York because
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  Speaker 1: it was a convenient place to stay, as if there
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  Speaker 1: weren't hundreds of luxury hotels, you know, just feed away
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  Speaker 1: from his apartment in Manhattan. The incident that was discovered
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  Speaker 1: is something that he had never admitted to before this
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one visit to the Santa Fe ranch
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  Speaker 1: with the young woman. We spoke to staffords there who
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  Speaker 1: waited on him and said that the young woman had
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  Speaker 1: told them that she had been tasked with entertaining Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: She even asked one of the employees to serve him
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  Speaker 1: a tea that would quote make him more horny, because
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  Speaker 1: he didn't seem like he was that interested in her,
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  Speaker 1: and she was worried about what Epstein would think. Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer in no dead air, no dead
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  Speaker 1: air ever. But I just had to pause right there.
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  Speaker 1: You wanted to make Prince Andrew more horny than he
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  Speaker 1: already is. You're talking about Randy Andy right, you're telling
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  Speaker 1: me that this was out in a ranch here in
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  Speaker 1: the US. Because we've only heard of a few visits
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Prince Andrew has made to Epstein. Sounds like there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot more that are trickling out. Now. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friend at BBC, Emily Maitlis, Epstein's housekeeper,
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  Speaker 1: also in a Florida legal deposition, said that you visited
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  Speaker 1: the Palm Beach residence around four times a year. You've
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  Speaker 1: got a daily massage four times a year. That was
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  Speaker 1: what he said in a Florida court legal deposition. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just wondering, when you look back now, is there a
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  Speaker 1: chance that those massages might have been the services of
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  Speaker 1: someone who was being sexually exploited or trafficked by Epstein. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, I know, definitely, not definitely,
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  Speaker 1: And I definitely did not visit his Palm Beach House
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  Speaker 1: three or four times a year. Absolutely not. How many
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  Speaker 1: times would you say you visited in total? Probably four
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  Speaker 1: times in total throughout the time that I knew him. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing Prince Andrew. You know what I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to not only
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  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, but he has accuser the then teen girl,
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  Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts Jeffrey. I want to start by saying, it's
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  Speaker 1: not how Jeffrey died, but it's how he lived. And
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  Speaker 1: we need to get to the bottom of everybody who
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  Speaker 1: was involved with that, starting with Gela Maxwell and going
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  Speaker 1: along the lines there. I was recruited at a very
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  Speaker 1: young age from Mara Logo and entrapped in a world
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't understand, and I've been fighting that very
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  Speaker 1: world to this day and I won't stop fighting. I
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  Speaker 1: will never be silenced until these people are brought to justice.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you all very much. Appreciate it. The document
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  Speaker 1: comment on that you said you won't be silent. He
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  Speaker 1: knows what he's done and he can attest to that.
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  Speaker 1: So can you repeat that. We can look as he
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  Speaker 1: knows exactly what he's done, and I hope he comes
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  Speaker 1: clean about it Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The autopsies
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  Speaker 1: show multiple broken bones in his neck, including the highoind
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  Speaker 1: bone near Epstein's Adam's apple. That break can occur in hangings,
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  Speaker 1: but is more common in those who die of strangulation.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the New York Post reports Epstein killed himself by
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  Speaker 1: tying a bedsheet around his neck to his jail cell
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  Speaker 1: bunk bed and then strangling himself by kneeling toward the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Hanging many times occurs in a prone position. You just
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  Speaker 1: simply need to get something around your neck, tie it
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  Speaker 1: to the bottom bunk, and just slowly slide off the
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  Speaker 1: bunk until you slowly pass out. You can be dead
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  Speaker 1: within ten minutes. You are listening to our friends at
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  Speaker 1: Fox for those of you that believe the theory that
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein now dead. And I'm just going to put
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  Speaker 1: it out there, guys. I know I speak very plainly,
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  Speaker 1: very homespun, the way that I grew up. But I
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  Speaker 1: know this after investing, gating and prosecuting literally thousands of homicides,
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  Speaker 1: it's very difficult to break your own highoid bone, your
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  Speaker 1: own neckbones when you hang yourself with a sheet or
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  Speaker 1: cloth material at a very low height, such as from
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  Speaker 1: your bed. I'm not buying the theory about Epstein's suicide.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's absolutely not possible. But I find
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  Speaker 1: that shrouded in mystery as well the fact that Dylan Howard,
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  Speaker 1: Melissa Cronin, and James Robertson are espousing the theory that
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  Speaker 1: Epstein was in fact a spy most important for Massad,
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  Speaker 1: garnering billions of dollars potentially from Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Russia. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess he did him end up dead. James Robertson.
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  Speaker 1: James Robertson, editor in chief of US Weekly, who broke
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  Speaker 1: the story of Epstein's first prison suicide attempt. James, where
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  Speaker 1: do you weigh in on Howard and Cronin's theory. Well,
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  Speaker 1: when it came to the theory of Epstein's relationship with
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  Speaker 1: Massad and the Handlers, we found the man himself, who
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  Speaker 1: who's a mysterious Iranian born businessman who claims to have
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  Speaker 1: worked for Massad from nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty seven.
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  Speaker 1: And this was a man who was arrested in the
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  Speaker 1: United States. Now, wait a minute, James, I'm not really
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  Speaker 1: in any position to interrupt the editor in chief of
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  Speaker 1: the US weekly. But James, you do know what you
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  Speaker 1: just said sounds like the title of a novel, A
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  Speaker 1: mysterious What did you say? It just strike me, It
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  Speaker 1: almost sounds it sounds unbelievable. But you have a history
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  Speaker 1: of intensely investigating your stories. You're an investigative journalist for
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  Speaker 1: Pete's sake, and you believe this right absolutely. I believe
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  Speaker 1: this is not just a conspiracy theory. The man was
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  Speaker 1: a former high ranking official and military intelligence and he
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  Speaker 1: and to your points when you say that you may
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  Speaker 1: bear manash that these men, when they the spies, aren't
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  Speaker 1: always the James Bonds who were geniuses who can leap
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  Speaker 1: from one building to another. He actually described Epstein as
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  Speaker 1: quote a very simple idiot, and that was very telling
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  Speaker 1: that he was only manipulated as well by these handlers
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  Speaker 1: who used Epstein to acquire the materials that they would
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  Speaker 1: be able to use the blackmail politicians, businessmen, and really
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  Speaker 1: Epstein became a puppet. He wasn't considered to be a
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  Speaker 1: smile or controlling character, but really just someone that they
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  Speaker 1: could control. Nancy Connects, the Jumpian connect the dots here,
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  Speaker 1: but talking about Ari Ben Mashanee, the former Israeli spy,
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  Speaker 1: an alleged handler of Ghislain Maxwell's dad, Robert Maxwell. He
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  Speaker 1: was own Dilon. Slow down, Slow down. So you're saying
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  Speaker 1: Ari Ben Mashanee, but not Benashi that you refer to
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  Speaker 1: in your book as being an Israeli spy, an alleged handler. Um,
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  Speaker 1: let me understand. You want me to connect the dots.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing to me that just made perfect sense,
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  Speaker 1: Dylan is something James Robertson just said, Well, makes a
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  Speaker 1: lot more sense. Manipulating He manipulating that Epstein not that
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  Speaker 1: smart and I believe it, but manipulating him to spin
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  Speaker 1: a web around the rich powerful in order to use them. Okay,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I'm understanding. So you've got Ari Ben Mashanee, who was
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the handler for Robert Maxwell, Gizlane, Maxwell's dad. He turns
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: up dead after a falling out with Massad. That's Robert Maxwell.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and Gizlane were already dating in the late nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighties when Ari Ben Mshanee, the handler of Robert Maxwell,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. The suggestion being that Epstein,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: who had worked as an international bounty hunter and boasted
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: about recovering millions and millions, if not billions, of dollars
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: for international arms traders. All of a sudden, he inherits
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: this business. Now. Melissa and I have seen hundreds of
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: photos inside the New York mansion that Jeffrey Epstein had
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: on the upper side three consecutive townhouses, the largest estate
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  Speaker 1: in New York City. We're viewed every room and a
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: photograph of every room. I think we're the only ones
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  Speaker 1: in the world to have ever done so. There is
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a camera in every single room. They all feed into
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  Speaker 1: one central operating unit. Next to that is a study
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: if you like, that has xerox size professional photocopying machines.
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  Speaker 1: Why would Jeffrey Epstein, who seemingly had no business, have
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: high powered professional xerox machines fed from a video room
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  Speaker 1: into his home. We believe that he was recording every
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: interaction every person that stepped foot inside that home with me.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Chief Content Officer, VP American Media, Melissa crona investigative journalist
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  Speaker 1: and author. James Robertson, investigative journalist, editor in chief US
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  Speaker 1: Weekly with a theory that at first sounded so far affetched.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at the evidence, is not far
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: affetched at all. And think of the circles in which
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Epstein rotated photos of him with Trump, with Clinton, with
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. Those are the ones that we know of.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: The big question to you, James Robertson, if Dylan Howard's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: theory is true with all those cameras and cameras are
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: not far affetched. I've got a nannycam trained in almost
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: every room where we live, every one which I've had
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: since as we're born. I hardly ever look at it,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: but it's there. I could look at it if I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: woult to do. I could play it back after. It
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: was not hard to do. But what I'm saying is,
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  Speaker 1: James Robertson, if that footage existed and he was hosting
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: all of these wealthy and prominent people, and I'm not
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: saying it's Trump, I'm not saying it's Clinton, I'm not
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: saying it's Andrew. You know he was spying on them
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and rolling on the men that came there to be
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: with these young girls. So where's the video, James, Because
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: it wasn't found, no DVDs, nothing, It's got to be somewhere.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: You know he was recording everything, James, Yes, and I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: think what we do know is he was recording in
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: every property that includes Palm Beach, his ranch and Fanta
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Fe and of course the townhouse in New York. We
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: did find a former US marine. Hey, did it? You'll
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: leave out Orgy Island? Of course, not be it from
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: me of crime stories to correct James Robertson of the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: editor in chief of US Weekly, but that name just
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: kind of stuck in my head. Orgy Island. So you've
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: got the island that he owns, you have the Santa
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Fe wrench, you have the Manhattan town home on the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: east side, and the mansion in Florida. Have I missed anything, James?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And there's also another townhouse in Paris. See. I actually
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: didn't think you were going to add anything, but yes,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: there's one in Paris. And you know they were tricked
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: out like candid camera. You know that. So where's the video?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: The only thing I can think of when cops race
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: in both in Florida and in Manhattan to gather evidence,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the evidence isn't there. So either it's already stored somewhere else,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: or Epstein was tipped off. That they were coming. Now,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: who would do such thing as that? James Robertson. So
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: we found a whistleblower who fled America and was granted
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: political asylum in Russia. He is a US Marine and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: former Palm Beach County sheriff. His name is mister John Dugan.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Now I spoke to John in Moscow by telephone, who
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: told me that he believed that someone on the inside
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: had tipped off Epstein prior to the initial raid on
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: his Palm Beach home. Now someone has copies. He claims
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to have them himself. His computer was seized by the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: FBI in twenty sixteen prior to him fleeing to Russia.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: He says there are thousands and thousands of DVDs and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he has separated them in safety deposit boxes around the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: globe as a protection and licensed orange should anything happen
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to him. He insists that these are blackmail tapes and
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: that this is exactly what Jeffrey Epstein and those around
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: him do not want the world to know. Exist. Crime
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Maria Farmer was a promising young
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: artist when she says she met Epstein and Maxwell at
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: an art show in New York City in nineteen ninety five.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: The twenty six year old soon found herself working the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: front desk in his palatial New York City townhouse. Did
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you see young women coming into the house? Yes, I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: saw many, many, many, many many all day long, All
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: day long, I saw Gielan going to get the women.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: She went to places like Central Park. I was with
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: her a couple times in the car. She would say
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: stop the car and she would dash out and get
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a child. What did she say she was doing when
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: she did this, getting Victoria's secret models. Farmer found Epstein's
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: behavior mysterious. One day, I said to Jeffrey what goes
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: on in this house? Like, why are you always upstairs?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And he said, I'll show you. And so he took
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: me up there in the elevator and we went. He
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: showed me all of Geeland's quarters. She had her own
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: suite on the house. Oh, she had a whole floor. Ultimately,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Farmer says, Epstein led her to his bathroom and there's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a marble like altar thing over here, and he said
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that's where he gets his massages. Epstein told her the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: whole house was wired with pinhole cameras and took her
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: into the media room where they were monitored. I looked
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: on the cameras and I saw toilet, toilet bed, bed,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: toilet bed. I am never going to use the restroom here,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and I'm never going to sleep here. Was there videotap Oh?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It was all video all the time? Yeah. And I
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: asked him one time, what do you do with this?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And he said, I keep it. I keep everything in
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: my safe. You are listening to our friends at CBS
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: this morning. I have so many questions. I hardly know
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: where to start. This is why I had to write
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: out all of my direct and cross examination questions so
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't miss anything, and at the end of every
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: direct and cross exam and have to consult and make
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: sure I hadn't left anything out Melissa Cronin. That leads
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: me to where is Maxwell, female pimp, his glamour pimp.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Where is she? So I've spoken to a source close
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to the family that believes she has actually being protected
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: by the British government because of what she knows about
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. Now, there was a report several weeks ago
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: that her cell phone had pained off the coast Brazil.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: There were rumors that she might have been staying on
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a yacht there. But what these inside sources told us
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: is that that is a classic misdirection technique, one that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: is often actually used by the massade. So all indications
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: point to the fact that she is alive and well,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: but that she is just in hiding, being protected by
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the very people who don't want her secrets to come up.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: You know, Dylan Howard, as brilliant as Melissa Cronin and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: James Robertson, are I gotta go to you on this
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: one because you know you're the king of this topic,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Dylan Howard, How can someone with so much money, so
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: much power, so much privilege just screw the whole screw
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the pooch, screw the whole thing up with, for instance,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: underage sex, or Andrew consorting with people like Maxwell or Epstein.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: You see it every day in your business, Dylan, Like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: you know what, Dylan, I know, I've got it good.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I've got twins, I've got an awesome husband. I'm so blessed.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything to screw it up.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: God help me. Why what is it with people with
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: power and privilege that just defy their blessings? Well, there
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: are two tiers of justice. We talked about it all
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the time. There's justice for you and I, and there's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: justice for the rich and powerful. And Jeffrey Epstein used
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: his power to exploit the vulnerable and underage. There is
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: absolutely unequivocal proof of that, all while covering his tracks
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and rush and rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: He thought he was invincible, He thought he could get
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: away with it, and in many ways he did get
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: away with it until his untimely death as prisoner seven
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: six three one eight zero five four at the Manhattan
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Correctional Facility Center. One thing I want to pick up
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: on we talked about those tapes, those black page Nancy,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you and I covered Kasey Anthony. Part of the compelling
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: reason of that pace was that every single piece of
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: evidence under Ferri Felidian law was released publicly. Under what's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: called the Sunshine State Law, all evidence is released. His
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Palm Beached home was rated by the FBI and rated
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: by local law enforcement. That there is no evidence of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: these DVDs in the hands of US law enforcement, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that smacks of the cover up. The book is dead men,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: tell no tales. Join us tomorrow for more of our
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: conversation with authors Dylan Howard, Melissa Cronin, and James Robertson
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: on their new book Epstein Dead Men, Tell No Tales
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace Crime Story
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye Friend,