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Saving the Sound of the South with Reggie James and Anthony Ball · Story Scaling

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  SPEAKER_03: But today, I need an applause right here.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm gonna have my team put an applause right here.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna have my team put an applause right here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Today I got some special guests.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I know I say that from time to time, but today is a special, special, special show.
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  SPEAKER_03: For me personally, I have none other than Reggie James and Anthony Ball.
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  SPEAKER_03: And these are some good dudes.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you don't know you guys, these are two of um what I would consider uh the driving forces in this area for a lot of reasons, guys.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh we're gonna get to, you know, we're gonna get to all of the accolades and everything, you know, but most importantly, y'all are real people.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and you know, you see that by just popping up.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think I hit y'all last second.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, hey man, I want to have a conversation with y'all.
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  SPEAKER_03: Come, both of y'all, I'm there.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_03: Let me know.
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  SPEAKER_03: So so thank you guys sincerely for joining me today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, no doubt, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're a brother, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: No doubt.
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  SPEAKER_03: Look, I got this uh this bio, and and this is what the streets are saying about about you know what I'm saying, Reggie James, Anthony Bob.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is what the streets are saying.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is what the streets are saying.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is the official report.
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  SPEAKER_04: This is the official, this is the official report.
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  SPEAKER_03: So y'all let me know if we spot on or if we need to.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, you say that I didn't know.
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  unknown: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: So check it out.
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  SPEAKER_03: It says today's guests are the driving force behind Music Moves, an organization dedicated to making black music accessible through performance and education.
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  SPEAKER_03: Together, they are transforming the cultural landscape of Northwest Arkansas, ensuring that the history and impact of black music is not just remembered, but lived.
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  SPEAKER_03: Reggie James is the executive director of Music Moves and a deeply respected community leader.
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  SPEAKER_03: After arriving in Northwest Arkansas in the early 90s to attend the University of Arkansas, Reggie has spent more than three decades rooting himself in the region.
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  SPEAKER_03: A pastor and a mission-driven strategist, he focuses on equity, storytelling, and building legacy that reflects the true diversity of the South.
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  SPEAKER_03: Anthony Ball is also creative director and artistic director of Music Moves and a World-class percussionist.
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  SPEAKER_03: Originally from West Memphis, Anthony's training ground was the Gospel Church before he moved to Fairville on a full music scholarship.
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  SPEAKER_03: As the founder of Smooth Man Music and creative engine behind the Music Depot in downtown Rogers, he bridges the technical craft of music with the soul of performance.
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  SPEAKER_03: This Black History Month, we're scaling the story of these two leaders who are preserving the past to inspire a more inclusive future in Northwest Arkansas's music ecosystem.
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  SPEAKER_03: Friends and family, we have Reggie James and Anthony Ball.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where you get that from, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where'd you get that from, man?
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  SPEAKER_04: That's what the priest is saying.
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  SPEAKER_04: Shout out to man.
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  SPEAKER_04: Tell him, are we spot on?
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  SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
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  SPEAKER_04: Does that does that fly?
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  SPEAKER_01: Officially, I'm program director, okay, not creative director.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, program director.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's my phone.
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  SPEAKER_01: But but West Memphis is where I'm from.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and um in uh Northwest, Arkansas is home now.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Man, when when you guys hear, you know, and that was an abbreviated bio.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I could have went on and on and on, but when you hear some of those things that you guys either have done or are currently involved in, what stands out first?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because both of you guys are community leaders, educators, you know, spiritual advisors of sorts.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's an exhaustive list.
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  SPEAKER_03: So when you hear these things about yourself, like what's the first thing that comes to your mind?
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  SPEAKER_06: Man, I I just think just being invested in the local community.
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  SPEAKER_06: That's that's the first thing that comes to my mind that we are fully, you know, I am fully, you know, invested in making it happen here in Northwest Arkansas.
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  SPEAKER_06: So that's the the baseline kind of for everything.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: What about you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Invest is a is a really, really good word, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's actually that's actually um the word that's that was um the reason Music Depot came about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um we oftentimes you have people that talk about it, uh, what they want to do, what they want to see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh in my in my email signature, I I have the the my one of my favorite quotes, be the chase that you want to see in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um man, we we invested.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I but also I'll also it's it's also pointed back to my upbringing of being from West Memphis where it's just so community driven.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and uh you know it makes us proud because we get the what we've been taught and you know how how your parents raised you, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: How I brought you up, how how I taught you, you know, uh that's just a testament to to uh to to all that that was poured into us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, we get a chance to to be that same uh you know vessel and pour into the Northwest Arkansas area, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Man, take us back.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I hear community being a through line, you know, for both of you guys, and I can attest to that.
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  SPEAKER_03: From the program to the events to going out to the schools, you know, you two are definitely community-driven individuals that I've had the pleasure of working with and seeing in real time.
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  SPEAKER_03: But community now feels like a buzzword.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: So what is community?
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  SPEAKER_03: What does it mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: How you talk about your upbringing in West Memphis?
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  SPEAKER_03: What were some of those early forms of community that was just ingrained in your upbringing that you now carry with you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Man, for me, community is culture.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, um that that's you, you know, you mentioned it's a buzzword, you know, it's so many words that that's been weaponized and uh politicized and all those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Man, these are these are these are way of life for us, you know, especially in a in a northwest Arkansas area where you come and you don't know anybody, and and you, and then you find out how how important community is, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, how important culture is.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you get more removed from your your your home place, your birthplace, and uh those things, those things that you enjoyed that you didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did not know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like waking up to my grandmom's coffee and and grits and eggs.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I didn't know that I I really enjoyed just sitting in the barbershop and listening to Sam Cook and uh and and watching the old the old cats play checkers in the corner, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you're removed from those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So community, community is just is is culture, it's a way of of life for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's no it's no burrow's buzzword, it's no it's no incentive.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's it's none of those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just a way of life for us.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: What were some of those early examples, experiences with community for you?
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you want me to say Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Reggie, Pastor Reggie?
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  SPEAKER_03: The idea of the Dr.
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  SPEAKER_04: He'll be Dr.
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  SPEAKER_04: How you want us to address you for the sake of the sake of the vibe?
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, I'm gonna let you evolve, cut up and he'd be like, you know, yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_03: Man, tell tell me about some of those, those early, you know.
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  SPEAKER_06: Man, I I'll be honest, one of the things that really influenced how I feel about community was that we moved early on.
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  SPEAKER_06: So my dad was in the USDA, mom's school teacher.
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  SPEAKER_06: So of course you're always gonna have schools where you're going, but we would move around every four to five years.
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  SPEAKER_06: And so we started out in a little in a town called Leesville, Louisiana.
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  SPEAKER_06: That's Fort Polk for people that know Louisiana.
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  SPEAKER_06: Then we went to East Tennessee, which was totally different from Leesville, Louisiana.
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  SPEAKER_06: Leesville, Louisiana, kind of like a big, big, big melting pot.
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  SPEAKER_06: Then you go to East Tennessee, and it's it was more like Fayetteville 30 years ago, where maybe 1% black, you know, or and other, all in the same category.
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  SPEAKER_06: And then I moved to eastern Arkansas.
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  SPEAKER_06: When we got to eastern Arkansas, then of course, predominantly black space.
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  SPEAKER_06: And so to be in all of those different spaces growing up, that gave me a love and affinity to appreciate community.
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  SPEAKER_06: And one thing I learned from my parents is that you had to take community with you because many times you would when you end up in those different spaces, like there might not be an expression there, but you take community with you.
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  SPEAKER_06: And one of the things that I've that I've had the pleasure of being a part of is the music part.
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  SPEAKER_06: And you'll find that that is probably more of a common thread as you as we move around, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: People want to hear certain sounds, and so those sounds are are reverberating through communities.
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  SPEAKER_06: I've just had the pleasure of just being a part of those flowing veins of that sound.
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  SPEAKER_03: Can we talk music?
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  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's let's get into the music journey.
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  SPEAKER_03: You got your start in the church.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, what people don't understand is that church life can be a cutthroat circuit.
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  SPEAKER_04: It can be.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm not saying it is in all cases, but if you're not ready to get up here and do your thing, then you can't get up there on Sunday morning.
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  SPEAKER_05: They're gonna get you.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna get you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Talking about your your experience.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, first I'm talking first, first started, like in trying to get up there and do your thing and how you got refined.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and I will say this, I think it's funny, but I think it's serious.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I listened to some of the most prominent music producers in the industry, particularly Jermaine Dupree said the reason why music don't sound the same is because kids ain't going to church.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, and so and so no matter how you feel about that, there's something to be said about just 100% church and the gospel music and how that refines you as a you know musician and so on and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so for you, your upbringing in the church, like talk a little bit about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: My my mom was a singer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, she sung in community choirs as long as I was, man, I I could remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: My dad was a brass player.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, my my grandmother was a was a church singer as well, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh our family, it was just a musical family, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was always a part of uh of our upbringing and and how we had community and and and just the way just every part of everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um man, I I started playing music.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh man, I was I was a toddler.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I was I was the kid that was just sitting behind the the musician cats and couldn't play because you weren't good enough and you're young enough.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and we talk about that all the time, man, but but we also talk about uh how inclusive it was as well, too, and how loving it was.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, here kids don't get don't don't get those those early opportunities at three years old, at six years old, at 12 year old.
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  SPEAKER_01: You gotta be 16, 17, 18 years old to even step on stage to even be asked, can I look at this and try this?
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  SPEAKER_01: But man, it was so inclusive.
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  SPEAKER_01: You had to start in the choir.
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  SPEAKER_01: You gotta you gotta sing in the in the kids' choir.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you gotta come and sing in the kids' choir, and you gotta know what this is all about.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then if you know, if you're a drummer or you like to play guitar or whatever, then you can go over there.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you gotta start in this in this kids choir first.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know, this is what I think I think is funny.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: You you're right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and and I think in a lot of ways, too, you could want to and have the desire, but there were other people that had to affirm it in you and be like, okay, he he can play.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, he's he he's ready, you know what I mean.
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  SPEAKER_06: So you're talking about a tee up.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, Doc.
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  SPEAKER_06: You're talking about a tee up.
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  SPEAKER_06: So the study that I'm doing right now, my thesis is about the black church, the institution of music, often unappreciated.
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  SPEAKER_06: And it has been at every level.
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  SPEAKER_06: Right when you talk about music in America, everything, all music, genres, flavors, styles, come out of the black sacred church, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: And so that sound that that Jermaine is talking about, the sound that it has changed, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: And that's it's not all bad, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: But that sound, that core sound, and also the skill set of musicians, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: Because if you're talking about church music, church music goes all the way from this side to this side, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: Everything, and particularly if you grew up in an area where you did have someone that they were doing a few classical songs to, you're doing spirituals, and then you're doing gospel song, and then when you're doing praise and worship, like if that's everything on y'all's, you're gonna have to be a well-versed singer, and when we say musician, we're talking about singers, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_06: That's right, in order to be able to, you know, be a part of some of them church services feel like Coachella.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's I'm serious.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, like you said, who you think the sound guys came from, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: With the musician, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Singers, right, exactly, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: When when so now when we see, you know, it's funny, I was talking to a lady and she said uh tailors are becoming an extinct uh profession because there are people that can do some of the things, maybe they can hem some pants, maybe they can, you know, sew a button back on, but the skill set that it takes to be a tailor from beginning to end from beginning to end, we we don't see that no more.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like nobody's taking on that time, investment, energy, or desire, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: So outside of the 60 and 70, 80-year-old, you know, generation, once they're done, it's done.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't think there's gonna be, you know, and and sometimes I see that, you know, take hip hop, for example.
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  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I'm a rap artist, and I think when you think traditional rap artists, there are a lot of different skill sets.
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  SPEAKER_03: You have to be a very skilled writer, you have to be a very skilled performer, you have to be, but now you see like people aren't taking that time to do their due diligence and perfect all of these individual skills.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so in 20, 30 years, a good rapper don't look way different than what it looks now, you know, and I I see that same thing with music.
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  SPEAKER_06: I think the the the key is is that, or the I guess the detriment part is that it won't be able to, or they won't be able to stand on their own.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_06: Like if the situation changes, that's the prepping ground, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: That's what the church did was that it prepared us for every situation that was coming.
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  SPEAKER_06: Somebody that could sing, somebody that can't sing, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: Somebody that ain't got their timing right, somebody that doesn't, you know, all of these different situations.
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  SPEAKER_06: And even when you talk about in, you know, in the hip-hop game and rap game, so when somebody asks you to give bars just right off the top of your head, and well, we know from everybody from the 80s and 90s, like that's a nothing, bro.
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  SPEAKER_06: You had to do it.
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  SPEAKER_06: That was just a part of it.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_06: And I ain't talking about give no two or three lines.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_06: I'm talking about you have to give a full five-minute segment on the spot.
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  SPEAKER_06: On the spot.
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  SPEAKER_06: Like it was expected, right?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_06: And that was expectation.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_06: So, so what are we gonna do to help in the preservation of those things?
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  SPEAKER_06: And even though, you know, the space, you know, that that I'm working in now, uh, even at Christian Life Cathedral, like we're trying to make sure that all of that is covered.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, because it's it's critical for those things to be passed on.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, as we say, you know.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's let's great segue.
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  SPEAKER_03: You guys are in the preservation business.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, your work is literally teaching history and showcasing, hey, we are here because we came from here, and this is what all of that means.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: First question is why is that so important?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think now we're in a time where folks are just rewriting it.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: They they making whatever history they want to get, they giving you whatever history they want you to ask.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: And you look back and it's like, wait a second, that didn't happen like that.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's not right, you know, it's so for you all, like, why?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_03: I guess my question is, how did that become so important?
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  SPEAKER_03: And and why now is it so important to not only preserve but to carry these things forward?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_06: I think the kind of the same answer because it allows for everyone to connect to it, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: That was one of the things that that black music did was everybody was able to connect to it.
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  SPEAKER_06: Even if you didn't even understand all of it, all of the content, you were able to connect to it.
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  SPEAKER_06: Churches like you know, like St.
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  SPEAKER_06: James have been here a long time, uh St.
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  SPEAKER_06: James Baptist Church, um, St.
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  SPEAKER_06: James uh Methodist, you have the Church of Christ, St.
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  SPEAKER_06: James, it was uh down on Wheeler Street.
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  SPEAKER_06: Those spaces that were inviting to all, everybody's welcome.
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  SPEAKER_06: So everybody was welcome to engage, even if you weren't a part of culture, you have still always been welcome to engage in that part of culture, right?
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  SPEAKER_06: And so making sure that those institutions, but not just three or four or five institutions are carrying that, but what about all these other institutions that are part of community?
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  SPEAKER_06: They need to understand the importance of everybody making it, you know, making a connection point for everybody, which is, you know, not to make it the conversation dominated by church, but that is the purpose, right?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah of those institutions is to include everyone.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: Martin Luther King said the most segregated time in America is on Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_03: On Sunday is at 11 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah, you you speak a lot about uh this idea.
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  SPEAKER_03: I want to go back to having the opportunities to showcase or learn or kind of be stewarded.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and now whether that's through, you know, music moves, whether that's through, you know, your own personal individual ventures, I see you providing some of those same opportunities that maybe people have provided for you.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: Talk about why that's important.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Why not be like they'll figure it out just like you know, anyone else?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, why is it important that you are the one doing it?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man, I uh, you know, I teach I got I got two kids, and I teach, I, you know, I teach them sharing is caring.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh I I'll always always use it lightly, but man, it's so much meaning behind that.
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  SPEAKER_01: To your point, uh to the sister that uh that was talking about tailoring.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um we're not dissolved of that with culture, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, with uh skill sets.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: If we don't pass it down, it it goes away.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and uh and and what what I found is when you go to other spaces and you you don't have those cultures present, you know, uh then you get to then you get to really, really key in on how important it is to you and and and and and the people that grew up in that.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then and then when um when those contributions are given and you see it in other cultures, um that's it it's impacted so many different cultures, but nobody's you know drawing those those those those pictures so people can really really know where this thing comes from and even get to see themselves in it as well, too.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: It builds it builds bridges.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's there's a narrative out there when you tell these stories, it builds walls.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: But no, man, it it really, really what you find is it it builds bridges.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, Reggie and I, we've talked about apprenticeships so much these last man, I feel like it's been a decade.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh there's a there's a guy here, he's uh he's one of the most on-call um organ uh repair repair guys in the in the country, right here in Rogers.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he flies all over it.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Churches fixing organs, you know, and of course, you know, with you know organs, you know.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care, Pipe, yeah, Hammond, you know, black church.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, and and and so we we and he's getting older now, right?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we're like, what what what happens when he's gone?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, where where does that go now?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and what we find is now if it's in your if it's in your culture and it's always been this prevalent, but you don't have these things that's always been there, what happened to the price?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: It goes up.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: So now something that's been a part of my my culture for so long, all those black churches, the cogic churches, you know, you got cogic convocation that happens, and you got an organ with six Leslie's.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what happens, what happens when the guy that fit that's been fixing it that was just a deacon, because he his his dad taught him and his dad dad taught him.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: And these these are just skills that was passed down.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh I we go into schools and we do these school tours.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and what we find is like these kids, uh, they haven't been taught the blues.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, but they'll place their way to heaven and stuff like that.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm like, how do you get to how do you get to division and and and algebra before you start with add, adding and subtracting?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, you know, so it's it's always a real joy when we get to fill in those gaps uh and tell kids like this is where that came from.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the their appreciation for it just grows, you know, and uh in these faceless people that that they did, they weren't, they they didn't have these country, the the uh uh attributes to their contributions.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now there's honor and and now there's gratitude, and now there's bridges that's between you and I from community to community now.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_06: And shout out to you because you have been a part of that over the years, even with yes sir.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: But put the applause on this mistake, put the applause on this one staff, put that down too long, man.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_06: Put that down, put that down.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_06: Uh four years ago, look, we we uh coming through COVID and And that's when, well, five years ago now, that's when Music Moves, when we actually started, was during that time.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_06: And so uh Dr.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_06: Jeffrey Allen Murdoch wrote a curriculum.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_06: We went back, revived, made sure that everything was in there for the state that they needed so we could use it in schools after we got that.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_06: Then all of a sudden, then you show up and you begin to take that message to the school, app school programs.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_06: You took the boys and girls clubs all over Northwest California.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_04: Everywhere.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's a good word.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_06: All over Northwest Arkansas.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_06: You are, you have been and still are a part of that continuation of getting the message out.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_06: Number one, of course, the history is great, but how do they connect to it now?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_06: How can we have people involved?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_06: How do young people connect to this music now, both from, you know, of course, a listening aspect, but also from a more of a communal aspect of how can I get involved and how can I give back for someone else?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_06: And so you've done it and you're empowering other young people to do the same thing.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_06: So shout out on you.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_06: I appreciate you said.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Give me that applause, Snap.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Give me that applause right there.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Let me let me dump on top of it.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Let me dump on top of it because it's it's one, it's you probably don't even remember this, but you said something that was so good at one time to me, uh, and it was so simple, it probably flew over everybody else's head, but it stuck out to me.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: But and I'm gonna tell you why before I tell you what you said.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Man, oftentimes when you come uh from your tradition, your community, and you come into other other um other spaces, you want to assimilate and make sure you don't stick out too much.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because because oftentimes those come with narratives that you have to fight against and stuff like that as well, too.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, and I'm and I'm sure if if you're a minority person, oh you would know exactly what I mean.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: So the the beauty of it is when you came into those classrooms, you came as your authentic self.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Man, you you told those kids you because we we we told them uh we told the kids like he's a rapper and all the kids lit up, yeah, right?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, yo, I do got a girl in my mouth, but I got my my degrees in my backpack as well, too.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I I thought that was the dopest thing because you can have both.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, you know, and and you know, like the coolest thing that just ushered into this corporate America, right?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're sitting in Northwest, Arkansas, they got casual Fridays now.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: You couldn't wear sneakers in the in in the headquarters back in the right now.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_05: You you can, but you're gonna be laug look, look, look, you'll stop, right?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, you're gonna be the janitor.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you know, now you know, you you'll see uh uh man, you'll see the biggest VP.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: They got some dope J's on.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah so I think that's I think that's so important.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and that's culture.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that to for that to be accepted in in mainstream America, something that we've been doing for forever, you know, it's it's not anything that's been shunned on now.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you got you got people that's still that still hitting the news because they're telling people to take their dreads out their hair uh out of their hair and stuff like that.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't, your your hair doesn't look professional and all those things, man.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: But for for um a person like you to come as your authentic self and uh and come with such excellence as well, too, man.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is excellent.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: Man, I appreciate that.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, gentlemen.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: I appreciate that.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: I really do.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: They got the grill and the degrees that's by fact.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: I I really do guys sincerely appreciate that.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's two things that come to my mind when I hear you speak, and we can decide which way we want to take it.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: But I met a gentleman who was a U.S.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: diplomat, he's been in 20 countries, and he said that Delta Blues has in indirectly or directly influenced every single part of music, which we know blues comes from the gospel, which so on and so forth.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_03: And he was saying specifically Arkansas music, and it reminded me of a post I just seen the other day.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's in a label subrage.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's in the label sub.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: So this is crazy, right?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like you got the the two biggest hip-hop artists in music.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_03: We don't even got to name them.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_03: We all know who they are.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: You know, they they had a feud.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: Look, we ain't gonna get into it.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: But but but these two of the biggest hip-hop artists ended up sampling music from Arkansas artists.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: I had no idea.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: One of the dudes was from McGee, Arkansas, the other dude was from somewhere, you know, deep south Arkansas.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, looking at it, and I'm having to go look it up and do my research.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's from right there.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: Blah, blah, blah you know what I mean.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: And so when we think about that now, this is Arkansas music we're talking about.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_03: We're not talking about, you know, all the other states with great music, but that ain't what we're talking about.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: We're talking about Arkansas music.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so when you think about how sometimes even us, our people, don't fully understand the power and the richness of what we have.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you got a code mine or you know, the parable in the Bible where it's like it's a treasure that's hid.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like we don't know what's right here that we sitting on, like you say, that came from the father and pass it to his son.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is our heritage, you know.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_06: What people, so because it's Arkansas, right?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_06: Because of the South, people leave.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_06: And that's that's just the reality of it.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_06: A lot of stuff is created here.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_06: Artists are created here.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_06: So whether we're talking in gospel or blues or whatever, it's created here, but they leave and then they put their hometown as Chicago.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_06: You're not from Chicago, you know what I mean?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_06: You're not from LA.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: You're not from LA.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: So you're from Blavel, Arkansas.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Some of y'all want to call out Mike on New York Pearl Ghoul.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: What's hell in the boy?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: Potting plant.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_06: You from cotton boom, man.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_06: Seriously.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_06: And that has happened over the years, over like I ain't talking about just over a few years.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_06: I'm talking about like the last, yeah, last 120 years, these individuals have been large influences for music, but of course, because of everything that was going on in the South, you had to, you gotta leave.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_06: And so when you leave, if you had to leave because of that, you know, I I think about some of those artists, some of them I do, because I'm like, part of it is that they don't even want to say that they're from from there because they had to leave because they were not allowed the afforded opportunities to, you know, let their gifts just blossom right there.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_06: And so that's why we, you know, even in learning circles, that's why we have to be careful.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm gonna send that back over the ball because one of the things that we have at the music depot is that we have those times to allow those new musicians to come so that they can learn, hear, and don't feel like like the the bass player, uh uh what's Odell's um, what's his name?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_06: Um I was trying to think of his name.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_06: Uh is it Troy?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_06: I think yes.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_06: He he plays for um who he play for right now, like Carrie Underwood or somebody?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_06: From here?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_06: And but he didn't have any any other space to grow in Northwest Arkansas.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_06: Now, when you become older musicians, let me say that.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_06: When you go from older musicians, you realize that you can house out of anywhere and they'll they'll fly you wherever they need you to be.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_06: But to have to leave over and over for those all of those North Texas players, you know, that uh shout out to Harbor High School producers, it doesn't, they don't have the space here.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_06: We don't have the space and capacity.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_06: And so that was one of our, you know, kind of our heart, you know, tugs was we have to have space for young people to explore their gifts right here in Northwest Arkansas, or we're gonna have continue to have this same thing with certain people.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_06: They just, okay, well, I gotta leave because I can't go any further here.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: So, well, look, you can talk about that because you you gotta put all that together, man.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm I'm gonna put something else on top of that too.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: You said something to me.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: You talk about me saying something to you that stuck with you, man.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: You said something that was profound, and you might not even remember this because sometimes you be in your mode where you just drop a gem and you just leave it there.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_04: You don't even realize it, you don't even realize it.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: Are you good, man?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_04: He just ran over it, bro.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, right, I'm still stuck on this.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: But you said, man, you said if you want to be a musician in Northwest Arkansas, you better bring your microphone and your work boots.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: And when you said that, I was like, you know, listening.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: And you said, man, we we might be a generation away from seeing a thriving music ecosystem.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: So, so, you know, come and do your shows, but also know you have to intentionally build the bricks and intentionally, you know, build what you want to see.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_03: You got to paint where it ain't, you know, and so along with what, you know, Red just said, kind of talk about that too, just as far as it pertains to creating the space and being the change.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's that's what you guys are doing with the music depot.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, we seen so many artists say, I can't do it here.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I I had to face it, y'all had to face it.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: Do I stay?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: Do I go to Atlanta?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: Do I move to Houston?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: Do I, you know what I mean?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: And so to decide not to and kind of stake your flag in the ground and say, no, I want to paint where it ain't, I want to build here, you know, talking about your experience just in that as well.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I I I think I think, man, the word expectation popped up in my head when you said that.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like I came in this thing with with some great mentors that that told me the history of Arkansas.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: So when you have the expectation um of not not just the lack of or the capacity of, but also the the man, the the the real DNA that's here, man, in the amazing musicians that's birthed out of Arkansas.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm coming into it knowing I'm not gonna be the first that's done this before.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's so many guys that's done this before me.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I had I had a guy, Dale Smith, man, that that uh I had I had as a good friend and mentor, I consider as a mentor for a short stint before he passed.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: But uh man, he told me about so many amazing artists and musicians that that went on uh, you know, from West Memphis, from Little Rock, uh, from here in Northwest, Arkansas.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's there's writers that that's work for Oprah, um, there's Grammy Award women that's from this area right here.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: We got a background singer for the Whalers that.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Say that one more time, man.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: Because I because I'm I'm serious.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, people, they still don't understand.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_03: People, and you're saying right here in Northwest Arkansas, we have Grammy Award winners.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: We got people that's been working on international stages from right here.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, from from Northwest Arkansas.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: We have Grammy Award winners.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we we he he mentioned uh Jeff uh Dr.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Jeffrey uh uh Dr.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Jeffrey Allen Murdoch at the U of A.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's 20 2021 Educator of the Year Grammy Award winner.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: We just we have another uh Grammy Award winner that was that I met through the through the um the Jazzymore Orchestra out of Bella Vista.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: He wrote some songs back in the 70s and won a Grammy.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Grazing the Grass.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_06: They're just up here.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_06: Uh they don't even want anybody to know that they back.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it's so here.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: So you you got you got you got uh Linda Black that that's that's wrote for Oprah, you know, wrote wrote orchestra stuff for England's work with with with uh Stevie Wonder and all kinds of musicians.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, again, you got Rochelle Brasshaw.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: She is she she's from Jamaica, but she lives here.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right she she she's background singer for the Whalers, and she works with the uh the Marley family.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're here in Northwest, Arkansas.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: So when you when you know that, you know, you don't you don't walk into a uh you don't walk into a space saying I'm from Arkansas, you know, with your voice down.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: You got you you can get a little more pep in your step when when times get a little bit rough because you know that there are people that's done it before.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's easier when you can go into a situation that's that is it's been done before.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, even even if there's we're taking the put the baton and taking it to the next step.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is a this is a part of the race, you know.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So for us with music moves uh and even putting the music depot in downtown uh depot, yes, that's a that's a venue that we have not seen in Northwest, Arkansas.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we have a jazz and blues uh shout out the depot.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out to the music depot at the depot.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: There is a jazz and blues uh club right in the in in downtown Rogers that's thriving in Northwest, Arkansas, and it's never been done before, you know.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: But we've seen the legacy blues, you know, we've seen other iterations of this happening.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we've seen uh you know Sam Cook come to uh uh you know uh Northwest Arkansas.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen James Brown come to Northwest, Arkansas.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen Bone Thugs and Harmony come to Northwest, Arkansas.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, shout out to the to the uh to the to Freedom Festival that happens celebrating Juneteenth.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a there's a lot of things that's happening here.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so in this and it's not out of nowhere, you know.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: In the in the music depot in downtown um Rogers, we we're putting up pictures all over the depot now because we want to put up those pictures so people will know, like, yeah, this is a new space, and it may be a new idea, but these kind of artists have is have traditionally always come through North Forest, Arkansas.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: You we we do the Freedom Festival.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this is we're going to our fifth year this year, fifth or six, sixth year, fifth year, fifth year uh this year.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we brought the Ohio players uh last year.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Legendary.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: When I legendary group, legendary legendary group, right?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_06: Top five sample group.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_06: So really because just think every time they play roller coaster on whatever movie.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: When I called the manager and I told him where he was coming, he lit up.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Man, we used to come there in the 80s at least twice a month.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: At least twice a month.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: The Ohio players in the 70s at least twice a month.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: They was they were based, so of course, they were based in Memphis for a long stint.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, Man, this was one of my favorite places to play.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: He said, the guys are gonna be so excited about coming back.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not not we haven't, I there's people that say I've only been to Arkansas a couple times.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Man, we should come here twice a month.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_06: And so you have professors that were here, like Dr.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_06: Gerald Jordan and all of them.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_06: They came because they were here when they came in the 70s.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: I heard somebody say um same thing about these bigger artists now.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you got what you guys are doing, which is what I would consider the boots on the ground, grassroots.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you're building systems for the future.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: You want the next artist that's coming up through the ranks to not have to leave.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's what you know, you guys are building.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_03: Then you got the other side, which is what I would consider the more corporate space that is booking post Malone.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, and I think that's cool.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: And that's fine.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: You need both.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta ask.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta both both.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so on on this side, you know, I hear people say, like, these are artists who can go and do 50,000 people, no problem.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: But we book them at the imp.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: They play for 10,000 people.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: But this is one of the places that they love coming.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: And so you hear them.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: They they know the energy, they know, they know the history, and they like, man, it's something.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_06: And shout out to our community because our our community does appreciate art.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_06: And because it's a it's an eclectic group, because of the corporate spaces, people do support artists, you know, when they come.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_06: So same for music moves.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_06: Look, people do support music moves, and we're grateful to the community for their community support, to all of the foundations out there that have that have supported us and continue to support us.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_06: We are grateful because we we're able to do that because our community wants this to be here.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's good.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: Man, you said something, Bob, that made me think Chess the Rapper has a song called uh No More Old Men.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: And the prep the premise of this song is pretty soon there won't be any more mentors.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_03: There won't be anybody that's leading the charge, passing down the information.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: And now people just gonna be out on their own.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I see that now.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, my generation and younger, you know, we don't have those older men as much, you know, they still out there, but as much that's doing that discipling and that's doing that encouraging and kind of spurring along.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: And you talk about your mentor before he passed away, and you said, like, nah, I knew what I could do because I seen it, you know, X, Y, Z.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: He told me about, and and I think it's interesting because so much of success lies in just being able to see yourself in the future.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: In the future.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: See, you know, I know I can be an artist because I seen Ball do it, I seen Bang do it, I know I could be, you know, this because I seen Reggie do it.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like 100%, you know, when you talk about this, it's almost going back to apprenticeship.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, man, how important is that that we just continue to show up and to say, you're not gonna be the first person.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: This is your history, you know, Arkansas musician.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: This is your history.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like, man, what what's our role in in just that?
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: Just living it.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_06: I don't think we have to recreate the wheel, but I do think that the time, like, it has to be intentional time and intentional space, just making sure that space is there.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I I laugh and my wife be like, Well, you forever gonna be at the church on Wednesday night.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_06: Cause like that's that's just one of the things.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_06: Like, if young people say they want to come, I just had somebody text me Sunday say that they just wanted to come on Wednesday night after church and just, you know, go through a few songs, just whatever.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_06: And so, you know, balling, look, ball and I both on Wednesday night, we'll still be up there at the church house and musicians will come.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_06: Just having just making ourselves available, you know, in those spaces, I think that that will that helps.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_06: But it it can't, it cannot be one space doing it.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_06: It's gonna take a collective of spaces doing the same thing.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_06: And I know sometimes that that's the hard part, right?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_06: Because if you're doing the same thing as somebody else, then people think that it's a it's a competition, right?
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_06: But it's it's not a competition because we're raising the level and awareness for the entire community at a at an amplified level, right?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_06: Isn't that so that's what we want to do, is just raise the level of amplification.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_06: University lift with us, and they do lift with us.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_06: Let me let me say that.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_06: They do lift with us uh on Thursday nights.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, shout out to Dr.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_06: Hertzog and uh Dr.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_06: Sullivan and all of those uh professors up there and instructors that come out to the Music Depot on Thursdays to help in mentoring these young people, right?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_06: We know that they probably come in too so that they can exceed who you can recruit too.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_06: You know, they'll say that's part of it.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_06: But scratch my back, I'm gonna scratch my back.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_06: But just to be in those spaces, though, because when you have people like a Dr.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_06: Hertzog, who is a world-renowned guitarist right here in Northwoods, Arkansas, well, of course, he can help every guitar player that's here.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_06: And I don't care what your style is, the style is irrelevant, he can help you as a guitar player.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_06: And so to amplify all of these voices at the same time to let them know that there is a a Claudia Mercen over there who I take lessons from.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_06: I still take lessons from her because she is that good.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_06: She's great, she's a phenomenal artist.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_06: So anyway, just to amplify voices together.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_06: I think that's gonna be the the kind of the next the next phase, if you will.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_06: Not one or two voices, right, but amplification together.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_06: Fairville, the rich history that Fairville has, is because they used to have all of these different venues, right?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_06: And so we know how the level goes with venues.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_06: You're gonna have, you got the A-Crew, right?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_06: You got the B crew venues, then you got C crew, and you gotta have all of those spaces in order to train and you know, and get everybody ready for the for the A space or whatever.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_06: Like, you know, 30 years ago or 35 years ago, whatever, the A space was Doc Murdoch's.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_06: Because you can get a thousand folks in there.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_06: And if you're coming through traveling as an artist, no matter what the music was, like they did a lot of rockabilly and stuff, but no matter what the music was, if you were that good of an artist, you you could get you can get to that space, right?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_06: Or George's.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_06: But you know, Garth Brooks was there before he was the Garth Brooks, right?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_06: And so those spaces, you have to have them.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_06: And I hope that our community continues to jump in and we all push together.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_06: If we we want to see the arts in our community, like I know we do, then it'll require a lift by everybody, not just a few players, but it's gonna take a whole coalition of players together pushing, you know, in the same direction.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: So, what we need in this area, I you've been here a long time, boots on the ground, doing your own shows, supporting larger shows, booking talent, playing the drones, promoting the events.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you've you've seen the odds and ends.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_03: And like, you know, Reggie was saying, you've been in some of those early venues that ain't even here no more.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, every single step along the way.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: So I know you've seen a lot change.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_03: What's the what's the thing that you like?
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_03: Man, this is something that I still want my people to grasp.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: This is something that I I'm still trying to see change in.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_03: What's that one thing?
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I think I think if we're gonna last the the the long run and and when when that happens, you you gotta be kind of selfless because that uh that usually means you may not benefit from it, right?
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: But you just mentioned you just said no more old men.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like that.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: We cannot have that.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to every everybody that has everybody has a gift.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you gotta share it.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta share it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like whatever you have, you have to share it because it matters.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have it for a reason.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to share it.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh, you know, you out you people always say uh a leader is kind of always measured by the leaders that he creates, you know, uh, and that goes for that goes from top down, you know.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like who are you sharing?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Who are you impacted?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so you know, we we do our, we do these, we create these jam nights and these open mic nights, and uh, we're very intentional about making sure the pro guys are there with the amateur guys and girls.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because you gotta create a environment where there's some sharing going on.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: And there's an exchange going on.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: If not, you just it's just lawless, right?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you got, if you got, if you got all these young cats that's uh that's rapping, you know, if if if if a bang or or whoever does it come and say, hey, try, try this, try this word play.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: What made you say that?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like picking a brain and making and and and pushing that curiosity, like how do we get better?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and how do we push the crowd forward, you know, and the culture forward?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like we become stagnant, and when you become stagnant, you die.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, it's about we got to continue to create opportunity, uh, create opportunities to share, you know.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I love going to those schools, man, uh, just to see those kids light up because we connecting those dots for them.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, whether they're a musician or not, like everybody has to have an appreciation for the arts because it does so much for us.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like you can, you can, you can, you can Google in your phone right now the benefits of the arts.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's gonna be study after benefits.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Study after study.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: There was a study that came out, uh Reggie, Reggie told our staff about that people that sing have a what?
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: A longer uh they have they have a better immune system.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's scientific.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like this, yeah.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like so, so I think it I think it's something that we really, really have to uh to to the to to continue to discover uh uh and and and continue to peel back, uh, especially when you got a world that's it's becoming more digital.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's it's it's more space in between you and I now because of the cell phones.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um you can you can pick up your groceries at your doorstep, you don't have to go to the grocery store no more, you don't have to go in and talk to the clerk at the at the bank anymore.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm seeing more community engagement positions at corporate offices than ever.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because you have to create community uh and belonging for people to people for people to thrive.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's not it's it's it's no longer about just creating a table for everybody to just have a seat now.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like how how do those people come and they give their best selves, you know, and how do we dig and get those diamonds out of the rough out of out of those individuals?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's one of them ball gems.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: I just had to let that breathe.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_03: I just had to let that breathe for a second.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: Man, uh guys, it's so much stuff in in this conversation that I'm just processing in real time.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: And we, I'm fortunate enough to be able to sit with you gentlemen and have these dialogues, but I think, you know, just to kind of get a peek into y'all's minds for the listeners and the viewers to kind of see not only the importance of Arkansas music and the history, but also our active role in making sure that we build this community.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, a rising tide raises our ships.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and so if I think your success is my demise, I don't have incentive to push you.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: Or if I think, you know, you getting that that number one drum spot meaning I can't get it, then I don't have no, but like you said, if we can say, okay, you know, you got to be selfless because we want this end goal.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_03: We want the kids to be able to communicate.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_03: You know, yeah, yeah.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_03: Man, with with the experience that you guys have, uh, my my final question, what's what's the word that you that you leave with uh that musician, that singer, that entrepreneur, insert anything.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that that young, up-and-coming, you know, person that is wanting to build something like what you guys have built, whether that's uh education platform for kids to learn their history, whether that's a venue.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, is is that the first black-owned music venue in downtown Rogers?
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_03: If not, the first is one, it gotta be one of them.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it ain't a long list.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's it, ain't gonna be the long list.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_03: Y'all got y'all got one of the first V, you know what I mean?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so, like when you when you think about the next Anthony, the next Reggie out there that that is fighting the temptation to leave because they don't see how this can treat them like a myth.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what do you say to those people out there that's that's watching this or that's listening?
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_06: Know the why.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_06: Know the why behind whatever you can ready to set out on.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_06: Why are you doing it?
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_06: Because if you can get that part, you know, if you can identify the why, then it'll it'll give you clarity, you know, as you as you go.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_06: And when you don't see it working out the way you the way you think it should work out, then it's gonna happen.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_06: But you have to remember why are we doing this?
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_06: Why am I here?
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_06: Why am I doing this?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_06: And the other part was the the selfless part.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_06: But uh if it is just about you, then if it's new and it's just about you, then if you the first in a in a space or in an area or in a region, then you probably not gonna, you might not make the journey.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_06: You got about 18 months actually.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_06: At best.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_06: And so the why has to be clear why you're doing it, and you have to know that it's not about you, because if it is, then you're gonna have enough energy to make the journey on that one.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_06: And that would be mine.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: What you got, Bob?
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't add to that.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: The why, the why, the man of why is so important because it you're gonna have some up and ups and downs, you're gonna have some wins and you're gonna have some loss, you know.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: But if you know that why, um, cuz because oftentimes when when you gotta when you gotta go that long ways, you know, we talk about the long ways.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: When you got when you gotta go that long ways, you know, sometimes you're not gonna see the finish line.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: So what does that mean?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like now I gotta start enjoying the journey.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta find, I gotta find joy in the journey.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you gotta you gotta know why you're doing it.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: It has to make sense.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: We had to do that.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: We had to retool the why.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_06: Because because we both like, he got businesses, I got other businesses, we got other things.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_06: And we like, man, okay, where where is it?
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_06: Where to drill back down.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_06: This is the why.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: But and we're and and and and and what is the why?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's the that's that that's also says to your purpose.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like the the most beautiful thing about this this next generation that's coming up, you know, there's always that's that's all the statistics, and you know, we always say this generation, this generation.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: We've been saying that for 100 years.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's always this generation.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: But but let's talk about this generation.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: This is the most educated generation that we've ever had.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um so they're gonna they're they're man, they're gonna they're gonna have such an understanding uh and so much information.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so what did we what what what did we what would we talk about information?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: When when when much is given, much is required.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: So now you gotta start adding some purpose to to to all the information you have now.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like why?
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so it you you gotta so that's that's when you start to activate it.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right, you know, because I mean information, that's just information, but when you when you want to activate it, you know, because it's information overload as well, too.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why we're seeing uh, you know, mental health issues and stuff like that as well, too.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why this generation, they're man, they they got they're so gifted, so talented.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's so much, so many things to be unlocked, especially with the at the the with with the digital world and the AI that's that's uh that's gonna be riding along with them as well too.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: That leadership is gonna be so important.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: Those those um those those uh that older generation to be walking alongside them, it's gonna be so important.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be so important.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_06: Man, you done said something made me think about something else.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, we closing.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_06: Like now we being uh Baptist now.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_06: We done closed again.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_06: We done closed three times.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_04: Send in your donations, gas on it.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_06: We done closed again, but man, it if now we done brought a full circle that the ancestors didn't experience any of the luxuries that we experienced, right?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_06: But they were still working toward those luxuries.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_06: That's good.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_06: They were never, they knew that they weren't Papa knew he wasn't gonna leave it to college.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_06: But that don't mean that he wasn't pushing for his kids and his grandkids and great-grandkids to get there.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_06: He was still fighting for those things.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_06: So it ain't it.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_06: That's why I'm telling you, man, you got to know why you in it, because it'd be in it for yourself.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_06: You got 18 days.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I ain't even giving you months no more.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's getting harder now.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's getting harder in the competition.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's getting harder.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so let's let's let's let's let's even screw it screw it down a little bit more.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like right now, um, man, we get so many messages from uh from the white community.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm gonna just go ahead and put a name on it and speak directly to it.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our our friends in the white community, we get so many messages back.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's so much going on.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: What can you do?
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: What can you do right now?
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: It feels I I feel like I'm paralyzed because I don't know where to start.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where to go.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's real.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's fake.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's so much misinformation, uh, so much manipulation.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where to start in this world.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: Reggie, help them.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: I had to lob it up to the pastor.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_06: Do the next right thing.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_06: Whatever that next right move is, do the next right thing for everybody, not just for yourself, because but but the thing that you realize the most is that when you're doing it for everybody else, you just said that the tide brings, all the ships gonna ride.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_06: We're gonna we everybody gonna be able to ride.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but do the next right thing, whatever that is, wherever you are, what whatever that looks like.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_06: If that looks like pulling a coworker to the side and having that conversation, then just do the next right thing.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, don't try to figure everything out because you're gonna be you're gonna be paralyzed with fear and not do anything.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and that's what Bob is speaking to.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_06: You're not gonna do anything, but just do the next right thing.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: Step one step.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_04: Boy, put the applause in.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_03: Where can we, where can we follow y'all?
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_03: Where can we keep up with y'all?
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like shout out everything y'all need to shout out and all of the things.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh www.musicmovesar.com.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's our nonprofit, uh, under our nonprofit sit side music venue in downtown Rogers, the music depot.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um my my personal Anthony Ball on Instagram, Facebook, you know.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, you can you can find me everywhere.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: So look, I got me the Instagram.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_05: I'm talking about, man, dude, don't never be on.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_05: I gotta get me some Instagram.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_05: The book.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_03: Man, you guys, if if if there is any way you can uh I'm talking to now the listeners, support, encourage, follow along with what they're doing.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_03: They do phenomenal work in this community and have for the better of two, three decades.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so you can't find a more deserving organization to allow with and to support.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_03: So look up Music Moves, look up Reggie James, Anthony Ball.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh they are celebs, but they do still talk to people.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know, they're humble, you know.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_03: So then they'll give you a hug.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: If they got extra pieces of chicken change, they'll give it to you.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, like Kurt Franklin say we're your uncle, your nephew, your cousin.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_03: Man, I appreciate you guys sincerely.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, man.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: You're your gym to the community, man.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_03: We'll do it again.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_03: Let's do it.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_03: All right, peace.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_03: All right.