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The New Primetime Movie Is Evil Propaganda. Here's Why Hollywood Resents The Truth. · The Matt Walsh Show

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  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen's show To Catch a Predator went off the
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  Speaker 1: air in 2007, nearly two decades ago. It was never
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  Speaker 1: replaced or rebooted for a primetime audience. Outside of a
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  Speaker 1: fringe syndicated show, the entire concept disappeared from major networks afterward. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the idea of setting up a decoy house, wiring it
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  Speaker 1: with cameras and luring predators inside so they could be
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  Speaker 1: exposed and arrested went from extremely profitable to verboten basically overnight.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to watch a similar show today, you
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  Speaker 1: either need to subscribe to a niche streaming service like
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  Speaker 1: True Blue or follow journalists like Alex Rosen, who, while
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  Speaker 1: they do brave and important work, have a tenth of
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  Speaker 1: the budget and a tenth of the viewership and an
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  Speaker 1: even smaller portion of the cultural impact of the old
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  Speaker 1: NBC production. And that's remarkable when you think about it.
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  Speaker 1: At its peak, To Catch a Predator was pulling in
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  Speaker 1: more than 7 million viewers an episode on average, with
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  Speaker 1: some episodes approaching 11 million viewers per Its ratings were
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  Speaker 1: consistently high. And then after a phony scandal that we'll
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  Speaker 1: discuss in a moment, To Catch a Predator was abruptly canceled,
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  Speaker 1: much like Cops was during the BLM craze. But it
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  Speaker 1: was not forgotten, especially in the entertainment industry. The show
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  Speaker 1: left apparently a lasting impression among Hollywood elites. A bit
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  Speaker 1: of a grudge, really, for reasons you could probably imagine.
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  Speaker 1: They never forgave Chris Hansen for making the show. To
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  Speaker 1: Catch a Predator was the closest the industry came to
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  Speaker 1: a Harvey Weinstein moment for the worst predators of all,
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  Speaker 1: the ones who target children. And that's why just the
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  Speaker 1: past two years, there have been two big budget productions
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  Speaker 1: that have been designed from the ground up to destroy
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  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen's legacy and the reputation of his show, which again,
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  Speaker 1: has not been on the air in nearly 20 years.
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  Speaker 1: The first hit job was a production streaming on Paramount
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  Speaker 1: Plus called Predators. It's a documentary that And the more
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  Speaker 1: recent one, which is out now in theaters, is the
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  Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson thriller called Primetime, which is directed by a
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  Speaker 1: guy named Lance Oppenheim. Now, admittedly, from a purely strategic perspective,
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  Speaker 1: you do have to wonder, why are they doing this now?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why would Hollywood and an up-and-coming director like
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  Speaker 1: Lance Oppenheim suddenly be so transfixed by Chris Hansen, who's
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  Speaker 1: now 67 years old and far removed from any kind
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  Speaker 1: of mainstream celebrity or influence? Why are they so hell-bent
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  Speaker 1: on portraying him as a villain along with everyone else
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  Speaker 1: who's followed in his footsteps? I mean, the timing seems
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  Speaker 1: almost random, even if you know why these people despise him.
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  Speaker 1: I have some theories about what's going on here, but
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  Speaker 1: first I want to talk at some length about these
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  Speaker 1: two productions, these two films. We're going to start with Primetime,
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  Speaker 1: which is truly a breathtaking film in terms of its
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  Speaker 1: abject dishonesty. In case you haven't seen it, here's part
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  Speaker 1: of the most recent trailer to give you an idea
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  Speaker 1: of how they're portraying Chris Hansen.
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  Speaker 2: Watch.
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  Speaker 3: Get out.
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  Speaker 4: Of here!
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  Speaker 1: I want something that matters. No more bottom feeders. I
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  Speaker 1: want a whale.
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  Speaker 5: Don't you ever just want to bleed them?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe what I do is a little worse.
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  Speaker 4: Chris! Chris!
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  Speaker 5: This could be our greatest segment yet.
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  Speaker 6: We're going to hell.
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  Speaker 1: We don't do that.
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  Speaker 7: They come to us.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand what I'm doing here. What you're doing
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  Speaker 1: is more than acting. You're cleansing the world of an
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  Speaker 1: ancient evil. Let's catch us a predator. Who gave you
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  Speaker 1: permission to do this? What would have happened? Now, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, that shot of him, if you're watching the
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  Speaker 1: video podcast, the shot of him shirtless, hunched over, is
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  Speaker 1: right out of the Joker film with Joaquin Phoenix. So
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  Speaker 1: they're not exactly being subtle about how they're portraying Chris
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  Speaker 1: Hansen in this movie. And it was obvious from the
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  Speaker 1: trailer the film would present Hansen as a tortured, unstable figure,
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  Speaker 1: which is why he's staring ahead into psychedelic, monochromatic, red
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  Speaker 1: lighting at one point as if he's having a mental breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: He even jokes with a guy on the plane about
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  Speaker 1: how he enjoys torturing predators rather than simply killing them.
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  Speaker 1: He's screaming. He's looking insane. He's out in the rain.
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  Speaker 1: He got the Joker shot. He has a savior complex.
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  Speaker 1: He's freaking out his wife. And all this comes through
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  Speaker 1: in a two minute long trailer. So what's the message
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  Speaker 1: of the actual film? Which you might be interested in
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  Speaker 1: as I was in this question, because by itself, the
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  Speaker 1: trailer made no sense. And as far as I knew,
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  Speaker 1: Hansen wasn't known to be a lunatic. He certainly didn't
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  Speaker 1: come across on his show as someone who was prone
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  Speaker 1: to emotional outbursts or even hostility. Even when he was
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  Speaker 1: in objectively dangerous situations, staging face-to-face meetings with complete strangers
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  Speaker 1: who were in the process of committing serious crimes against children,
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  Speaker 1: he was always very calm, actually. To provide some contrast
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  Speaker 1: with the trailer you just saw, so here's an example
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  Speaker 1: of one of his sting operations, just to refresh your memory.
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  Speaker 1: This is from Riverside, California. And this is one of
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  Speaker 1: the shows where he provides commentary from the studio after
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  Speaker 1: the fact, which he didn't always do. I think this
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  Speaker 1: was early on in the show. This is how they
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  Speaker 1: did it. But here it is.
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  Speaker 3: Watch. I'm really like a conscious person.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, look at me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so dirty, like... I know.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you what's dirty is this conversation you had.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 4: I really should not have done this.
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  Speaker 8: I felt absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, don't take my blank out.
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  Speaker 8: Of your mouth till I'm done.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: Look, if somebody's telling me in the interview that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they've got an addiction or a compulsion that led them
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  Speaker 2: to this situation... You have to say, look, you're an adult.
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  Speaker 2: Having recognized that, perhaps you should have done something about
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  Speaker 2: it before you ended up walking into this house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was not fantasizing about a 13-year-old, for God's sake.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's not right to do.
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  Speaker 8: Would you ever have two guys all over you? It's just,
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  Speaker 8: like I said, fantasy type things. What would you do
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  Speaker 8: with two?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just, I wanted to hear. Now, do you
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  Speaker 1: know that it's illegal?
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that it was illegal.
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  Speaker 9: Illegal to send this kind of material?
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that. So he doesn't exactly come
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  Speaker 1: across like a raving lunatic here. And all of the
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  Speaker 1: clips from the show are like this. But this footage
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  Speaker 1: in particular is important because it shows why Hollywood really,
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  Speaker 1: truly hated this show. It wasn't just that he exposed predators, which,
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  Speaker 1: of course, bothers the predators in Hollywood, although that was
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  Speaker 1: a very big part of it. He was also rejecting
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  Speaker 1: the entire mental health victimization framework that's now so fundamental
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  Speaker 1: to the left's ideologies. to an audience of millions of
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  Speaker 1: people in prime time, he was explicitly saying that even
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  Speaker 1: if you have some mental health diagnosis or an addiction
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, it does not give you a license to
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  Speaker 1: commit unspeakable acts of evil. Sorry about your sob story,
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  Speaker 1: but that's your problem. There's a limit to what society
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  Speaker 1: has to tolerate. Once you start victimizing the rest of society,
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  Speaker 1: once you start victimizing other people, especially children, then there's
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  Speaker 1: no longer any room for sympathy. Your sob story is
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  Speaker 1: then irrelevant. At a certain point, people have to be
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  Speaker 1: responsible for their own actions. Now, if this approach had
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  Speaker 1: taken hold in America, it goes without saying that, for example,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy would have been convicted of first-degree murder in
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  Speaker 1: about five seconds. Her case would not have made the
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  Speaker 1: national news, or at least it would not have been
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  Speaker 1: a national controversy, because a controversy requires two coherent and
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  Speaker 1: opposing sides. But we would have recognized that there's only
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  Speaker 1: one coherent side to the Clancy case. She's evil scum
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  Speaker 1: and deserves the gas chamber. That's all there is to it,
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  Speaker 1: or all there should have been, or would have been
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  Speaker 1: to it. And more to the point, if Chris Hansen's
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  Speaker 1: position had gone mainstream, there's a chance that violent black
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  Speaker 1: criminals would actually have to serve meaningful prison sentences instead
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  Speaker 1: of getting released immediately so they can stab a random
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  Speaker 1: white woman on the train or sucker punch a random
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  Speaker 1: white woman walking down the sidewalk or stab police officers
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  Speaker 1: or mow down a random white guy running in the
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  Speaker 1: street or rip off a random convenience store in Minneapolis
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  Speaker 1: before resisting arrest. Instead, under the left's ethos, all of
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  Speaker 1: these criminals were victims of circumstance, of systemic racism and oppression,
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  Speaker 1: and therefore none of them are ever held accountable for anything.
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  Speaker 1: This is the way it goes. If you're in a
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  Speaker 1: preferred demographic and you have a sob story, then you
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  Speaker 1: get off scot-free. But Catch Predator rejected the whole sob
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  Speaker 1: story thing entirely. The assumption going in with the show
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  Speaker 1: is that you're responsible for your own actions. You initiated
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  Speaker 1: this conversation with someone you thought was a child. You
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  Speaker 1: walked into this house thinking you were going to meet
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  Speaker 1: a child. And so that's on you. You put one
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  Speaker 1: foot in front of the other and you walk through
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  Speaker 1: the door and that's on you. So on the other hand, Hansen,
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  Speaker 1: in a very rational and calm manner, told viewers directly
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  Speaker 1: and unapologetically that some crimes simply cannot be excused. Along
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  Speaker 1: with the investigators he was working with, he documented all
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  Speaker 1: of his work exhaustively. There was never any allegation that
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  Speaker 1: he fabricated evidence or provided any kind of illicit incentive
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  Speaker 1: for any of these predators to show up to his
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  Speaker 1: decoy house. or was misrepresenting why they were really there
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. So where exactly was the movie
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  Speaker 1: Primetime getting this idea that Chris Hansen was losing his
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  Speaker 1: mind while he was producing To Catch a Predator? Why
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  Speaker 1: are there these psychedelic monochromatic red lights swirling around his
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  Speaker 1: head in the trailer? Why is he acting like a
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  Speaker 1: nutcase in the rain? Why are they making him look
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  Speaker 1: literally like the Joker? Lance Oppenheim provides two answers to
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  Speaker 1: these questions, and both of his answers are total fiction,
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  Speaker 1: to the point that Chris Hansen should sue the filmmakers
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  Speaker 1: and the studio for defamation. I mean, this is character
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  Speaker 1: assassination to an unbelievable degree. For starters, they claim that
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  Speaker 1: Hansen was worried about his ratings going down, and he
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  Speaker 1: was under a lot of pressure as a result. That's
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  Speaker 1: clearly not true. The show was always wildly popular throughout
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  Speaker 1: its entire run. And more egregiously, in no uncertain terms,
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  Speaker 1: the film also asserts that Hansen was losing his mind
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  Speaker 1: because he was supposedly worried about an upcoming tabloid article,
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  Speaker 1: which was going to expose the fact that he was
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  Speaker 1: having an affair. So we're told that the journalist was
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  Speaker 1: extremely rattled by the prospect of his infidelity coming to light.
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  Speaker 1: And we're told that this caused immense strain in his
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  Speaker 1: marriage once his wife learned that the tabloid article was imminent.
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  Speaker 1: There's even a scene where Hansen's producer watching him on
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  Speaker 1: air states he's off or something to that effect. illustrating
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  Speaker 1: that he's rattled by the reporting on his affair and
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  Speaker 1: that it's affecting his work. And then at the film's
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  Speaker 1: climactic moment, when Hansen's team is about to bust an
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  Speaker 1: assistant district attorney by going to his house, Hansen is
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  Speaker 1: still fielding calls from his wife about his infidelity. The implication,
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  Speaker 1: which is laid on really thick, is that Hansen has
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  Speaker 1: become so deranged that he's now hunting down the predators
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  Speaker 1: at their own homes as opposed to luring them to
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  Speaker 1: decoy houses. And we're told that Hansen is now throwing
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  Speaker 1: caution to the wind and ignoring protocol. All because, or
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  Speaker 1: at least in part because, he's furious about the reporting
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  Speaker 1: on this affair. Well, the problem here, other than the
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  Speaker 1: fact that there's no moral equivalence whatsoever, obviously, between Hansen's
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  Speaker 1: behavior and the Predators, as much as the film would
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  Speaker 1: like to pretend otherwise, the problem is that the timeline
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  Speaker 1: is completely off. Okay, Hansen did not even meet this
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  Speaker 1: other woman until 2011, which is several years after his
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  Speaker 1: show went off the air. In other words, there was
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  Speaker 1: no connection between Hansen's affair and his behavior on the show,
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  Speaker 1: on set or off. Never mind the fact that, again,
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  Speaker 1: as much as I condemn adultery, there is no comparison
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  Speaker 1: between child predators, on one hand, and a man in
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  Speaker 1: a sexual relationship with an adult woman. I mean, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care how many mistresses Hansen had. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's bad. He shouldn't have been doing that. But the
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  Speaker 1: work he was doing in exposing these predators was still important,
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  Speaker 1: noble work. And in any event, there was certainly no
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  Speaker 1: connection between Hansen's affair and the raid on the district
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  Speaker 1: attorney's house in 2006. So the whole premise, the whole
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  Speaker 1: sort of theory behind the film, that Hansen was losing
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  Speaker 1: his mind at the height of his popularity because his
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  Speaker 1: dark secrets were being exposed, is completely unequivocally wrong. And
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  Speaker 1: before anyone says, oh, well, they're taking poetic license, they're
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  Speaker 1: telling a story. Yeah, well, they're telling a story about
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  Speaker 1: an actual guy who's currently living. It's not like this
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  Speaker 1: is a historical figure from 200 years ago. This is
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  Speaker 1: a guy, this is about currently alive people. And they're
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  Speaker 1: inventing details that aren't true. And they're doing it deliberately. Two,
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  Speaker 1: there's a point to this deception. They're trying to sell
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  Speaker 1: a narrative that Hansen committed some egregious crime by taking
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  Speaker 1: his production crew and going to the home of Assistant
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  Speaker 1: District Attorney Bill Conrad in Terrell, Texas. They had already
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  Speaker 1: established that Conrad was a predator with chat logs, but
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  Speaker 1: he was refusing to come to the decoy house. So
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  Speaker 1: the police who determined that he had already committed a
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  Speaker 1: crime with his chats, which he did, decided to go
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  Speaker 1: arrest him at his home, which police often do, by
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  Speaker 1: the way. If you commit a crime, they'll go to
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  Speaker 1: your house to arrest you. You know, they'll often do that.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that surprising. And then here's what happened next.
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  Speaker 1: This is from a Dateline broadcast in 2006. Watch.
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  Speaker 9: Murphy Police Chief Billy Myrick and his team make a
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  Speaker 9: plan to arrest Assistant District Attorney Bill Conrad. He was
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  Speaker 9: caught chatting online with a perverted justice decoy posing as
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  Speaker 9: a 13-year-old boy.
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  Speaker 3: We're the ones that are supposed to be setting the
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  Speaker 3: standards and making examples out of things and enforcing the law,
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  Speaker 3: and he's not doing that.
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  Speaker 9: Just how graphic were the prosecutor's conversations? Remember, he pretended
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  Speaker 9: to be this 19-year-old. In his chat with the perverted
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  Speaker 9: Justice Decoy, he talked about wanting to watch the boy
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  Speaker 9: masturbate and holding each other and feeling all over. He
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  Speaker 9: sent pornographic pictures.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we could take some pictures of ourselves.
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  Speaker 9: He also had a phone conversation with this decoy, during
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  Speaker 9: which he asked if they were going to have sex
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  Speaker 9: and agreed to bring condoms.
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  Speaker 3: He wants me to call him back.
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  Speaker 9: But for some reason, Conrad abruptly stopped chatting and perverted
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  Speaker 9: justice discovered he deleted his MySpace page. Although he was
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  Speaker 9: invited by the decoy, the DA never showed up at
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  Speaker 9: our undercover house. A sergeant who's known the prosecutor for
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  Speaker 9: more than 20 years knocks on the door.
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  Speaker 3: We really hoped as they knocked on the door that Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Conrad would peer out through the peephole, through a window
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, and he would see a face that he
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  Speaker 3: would recognize and that he would easily open the door
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  Speaker 3: and talk and then we could approach at that time
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  Speaker 3: and say, this is why we're here.
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  Speaker 9: But Conrad never comes to the door. The police, however,
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  Speaker 9: can tell that he's inside. They can see a TV
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  Speaker 9: and a computer.
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  Speaker 1: Are both on.
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  Speaker 2: So it appeared as though someone was right there just
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  Speaker 2: a short while ago.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe watching television, working computer at the same time.
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  Speaker 9: Since police suspect he's inside, refusing to answer the door,
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  Speaker 9: the Terrell police call for backup.
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  Speaker 1: We're on the phone now, calling the attack team out
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  Speaker 1: to get them in line.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. We're apparently going to have a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a waiting period.
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  Speaker 9: The officers line up in formation and head to the
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  Speaker 9: back of the house. Then we hear a faint crack.
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  Speaker 9: the officers force their way in. For almost five minutes,
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  Speaker 9: we don't see or hear anything. Then, Lieutenant Adana Barber
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  Speaker 9: of the Murphy Police Department comes out and tells us
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  Speaker 9: what happened.
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  Speaker 1: As they made entry, they confronted the suspect. I believe
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  Speaker 1: he was in the hallway, and he told them he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to hurt them, and then shot himself.
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  Speaker 4: In the head.
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  Speaker 8: And he had a pistol in his hand?
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  Speaker 1: Small caliber.
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  Speaker 9: It was a devastating tragedy, a shock to all of
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  Speaker 9: us when the 56-year-old, a man who has prosecuted criminals
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  Speaker 9: for more than two decades, shot himself.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so no rational person that you would, certainly one
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  Speaker 1: that you would ever trust around your children, can watch
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  Speaker 1: that and feel any sympathy for the predator here. OK,
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  Speaker 1: there's no universe in which Chris Hansen or NBC or
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  Speaker 1: the police did anything wrong. This was not a case
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  Speaker 1: where they were going after some random schizophrenic homeless guy
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  Speaker 1: who had no idea what he was writing or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was hallucinating. This was precisely the kind
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  Speaker 1: of case that all reasonable people would agree is a
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  Speaker 1: matter of public interest. They caught a public official, a prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: no less, engaging in serious criminal behavior. OK, against children.
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  Speaker 1: You can't have a predator working in the DA's office.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is obvious. So obviously they were they
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  Speaker 1: were correct to go to his home and execute the
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  Speaker 1: search warrant. What else were they supposed to do? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: is the idea that like because he was trying to
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  Speaker 1: meet children online, but then he didn't show up. And
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  Speaker 1: so what are you supposed to say? OK, well, never mind.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't come. So, you know. No harm, no foul.
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  Speaker 1: Just go about your job as a DA. We'll pretend
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  Speaker 1: that never happened. No, to be attempting to solicit minors
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  Speaker 1: in the first place online is already a crime. So,
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  Speaker 1: and a very serious one. And at that point, if
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor chooses to, you know, off himself as he did,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: rather than face accountability for his actions, that's his problem.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not Chris Hansen's fault. Personally, I have
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: no sympathy for the guy and neither should you. And
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: if you do have sympathy for him, I wouldn't go
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: admitting that out loud because it says something about you.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: He was a total scumbag and he was a coward
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and he was selfish and he died in the most
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: cowardly and selfish way a person can die. You know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the suicide is just one more mark against him, not
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: against Chris Hansen. It's just underscoring what a scumbag he was.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: But a child predator kills himself and now we're supposed
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to feel sorry for him? No. That's you cowardly avoiding,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: especially again, as Chris Hansen points out, he's a prosecutor.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: So he's, you know, spent 20 years putting other people
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in prison for the crimes they committed. And the moment
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: that it's time for him to face the music as
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: he has, you know, forced all these other people to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: face the music, he'd rather just shoot himself. Total coward,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: total scum. That's it. Doesn't even deserve a, you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: he should be just thrown, be thrown in a pit.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Don't even give him a gravestone.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: That's, that's what he deserves. And you have to be
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: very morally confused to come to any other conclusion. That's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: especially true because, as Chris Hansen notes, the DA was
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: not simply guilty of soliciting a minor on the internet,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: although by itself that should be a death penalty offense.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Detectives who searched the DA's computer went on to find
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: evidence of, you know, unsurprisingly, other more serious crimes as well. Watch.
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: So we're in the street. They go in, break down
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: the door. He doesn't answer. And they get to the
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: hallway and he's got a, pistol pointing to his head
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: guys i'm not gonna hurt you and he shoots himself
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: in the head he later dies there's a helicopter in
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: the backyard it's it's it's horrible you never want to
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: see anybody do that under any circumstances and it's jarring
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: and it's dark and it's sad for a lot of
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: reasons but why did he do it you know ultimately
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: his sister sued nbc for millions and millions of dollars
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: the case was settled right For a lot of different reasons.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: A settlement comes out of insurance policy. You go to trial,
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: which I'm confident we would have won. It comes out
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: of the news budget. It ties up months and months
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: of my time. I'm sad for the sister. I truly am.
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: But the reason, more likely than him worried about Dateline
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: being involved, was that ultimately when they did the forensic
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: examination of his laptop, they found multiple images of child porn.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: And.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: In a recent episode of my podcast, Predators I've Caught
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: with Chris Hansen, we learned from one of the police
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: officers who then was working for Murphy that also what
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: was found on that computer was evidence that helped convict
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: Conrad's boss, the DA of that county, for financial mismanagement
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: of the office and theft of money. He ended up
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: doing federal time. He's the one who got on TV
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: and criticized everybody involved in the investigation. And he then
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: goes to federal prison?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, so at this DA's office, you have a guy
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: who's committing financial crimes, fraud. You have a fraudster. And
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you also have this child predator who not only was
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: trying to meet a child, but had child pornography on
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: his computer. Again, that was guaranteed to be the case.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And that's a massive scandal that all came to light
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: thanks to Chris Hansen. And yet he's the bad guy? What? Now,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Primetime and Lance Oppenheim, they never bothered to mention the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: other crimes that this DA committed for the same reason
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: they spend the entire movie lying about Hansen's motivations. Hollywood's
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: goal is transparent. They want to make it seem like
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Hansen was behaving recklessly when he investigated this DA, so
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: they made up a fake motive, his affair, which didn't
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: actually happen for several years, and his allegedly declining ratings,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: which were actually very good. The point is to make
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: sure that no one else investigates powerful people who are
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: engaging in behavior like this. If you do, if you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: bring down somebody important, they will defame you. They'll make
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: multiple big-budget movies in which they lie about you. Oh,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and as you just heard, they'll also sue you as well.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: In that clip, Hanson mentions the settlement that NBC reached
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: over this case, which was truly one of the low
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: points in this country's modern history. To be very clear
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: about what happened, this scumbag, worthless DA, who the world
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: is better now that he's dead, although I'd prefer if
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: he was... able to go to prison or better yet executed,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but there's nothing, you know, there's no reason to grieve
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's no longer on earth. It's better
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that he's dead. I'm glad he's dead. But he commits
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: multiple serious felonies involving children. He then shoots himself instead
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: of facing the consequences of his own actions because he's
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: cowardly scum. And then the DA's family decides to sue
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: for a hundred million dollars for And in the end,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: she extracts a massive settlement from NBC in the process.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: We can assume it was in tens of millions of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: dollars easily, although I don't think we know the exact amount.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So she got enormously wealthy because her brother was the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: absolute scum of the earth. And the people who exposed
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: her brother, meanwhile, have to shut down their show and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: pay millions of dollars. I mean, the more you think
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: about this case, the more you'll genuinely feel like you're
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: losing your mind. You know, you're going to feel like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they portray Chris Hansen in the movie, like you're going insane.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's easily one of the greatest miscarriages of
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: justice from a legal perspective in the history of television.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: What happened is that a Clinton-appointed judge named Denny Chin
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: refused to dismiss the lawsuit on the grounds that NBC
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: might have applied some kind of indirect pressure on the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: police to bring a SWAT team to arrest the DA,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: which even if they had, so what? Okay.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: The idea is that the police wanted to put on
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a show for the cameras. You know, that's the claim.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And in doing so, they somehow became responsible for this
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: guy shooting himself. This is from an article that CBS
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: published at the time, quote, U.S. District Judge Denny Chen
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: said a jury might conclude that the network crossed the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: line from responsible journalism to irresponsible and reckless intrusion into
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: law enforcement in the lawsuit. Patricia Conrad. said NBC steamrolled
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: police to arrest her brother after telling police he failed
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to show up at a sting operation 35 miles away.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Shin said the lawsuit contained sufficient facts to make it
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: plausible that the suicide was foreseeable, that police had a
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: duty to protect Conrad from killing himself, that the officers
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: at NBC acted with deliberate indifference. In his ruling, Shin
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: said that the network placed itself squarely in the middle
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of a police operation, pushing the police to engage in
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: tactics that were unnecessary and unwise, solely to generate more
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: dramatic footage for a television show. Chin wrote that a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: reasonable jury could find there was no legitimate law enforcement
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: need for a heavily armed SWAT team to extract a
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: 56-year-old prosecutor from his home when he was not accused
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of any actual violence and was not believed to have
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a gun. A reasonable jury could find that by doing so,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: NBC created a substantial risk of suicide or other harm
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and that it engaged in conduct so outrageous and extreme
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that no civilized society should tolerate it, Chin said. In
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: her lawsuit, Patricia Conrad claims a police officer at the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: scene of the shooting told a Dateline producer, That'll make
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: good TV. Well, we just watched the relevant part of
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the Dateline episode. As you saw, at first, the police
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: did not bring a SWAT team to arrest the DA.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: That only became necessary when he refused to come out
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of the house, creating a barricade situation. At that point,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: they had reason to believe that if they walked into
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the house without a ballistic shield and body armor, they
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: might get shot. Because this guy was clearly refusing to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: comply with their commands to exit the house. And secondly...
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: As Hansen pointed out, arresting him at his home was
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: actually seen as the moderate humane option because the alternative
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: would be to make a big show of arresting him
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: at the DA's office, which would have humiliated him even more.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And he would have deserved it. Then he'd have even
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: more reason to kill himself if we're taking their reasoning
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: at face value. And keep in mind the claim that
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: they're not making here. No one is even pretending that
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that this guy was falsely accused. In fact, no one's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: pretending that any of these guys were falsely accused. I mean,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the way that you would have a legitimate, serious critique
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: of the show is if they claimed that someone was
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: trying to meet a child and they were just completely wrong.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: They got the wrong guy. Okay, someone showed up at
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the house because they're delivering a pizza. And next thing
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you know, their face is being broadcast all over NBC
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: as a child predator. And then that guy goes home
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and kills himself out of shame from being falsely accused
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: of something he never did. Okay, well, now you have
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a case. That didn't happen, though. It didn't happen in
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: this case. This guy was a child predator. They're not
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: even pretending that he wasn't. So there is no case,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: so there shouldn't be. But most importantly, even if you
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: buy into all these arguments and even if you believe
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that a cop said, you know, that'll make good TV,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the logic still falls apart when you realize that the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: presence of a SWAT team and the statements of the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: officers after the fact doesn't have any logical relationship to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the question of whether or not someone should or will
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: kill himself. I mean, these are two totally unrelated concepts.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: If NBC wants more dramatic footage and the cops want
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to look really badass with their SWAT vans, then at most,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: You can accuse them of being, what, you know, immature
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: or something. You could throw around the word unprofessional if
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you wanted to. But it makes no sense to say
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that the police shouldn't bring a SWAT team to a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: criminal's house on the grounds that it might freak the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: suspect out and make him shoot himself. And by the way,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the fact that he shot himself is, if anything, after
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the fact justification for bringing the SWAT team. He did
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: have a gun, and he was on the verge of
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: doing something desperate and violent. And we know that because
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: he shot himself with a gun. I don't know how
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you could say that if a guy refuses to leave
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and pulls out a gun and shoots himself, that that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: somehow proves that you didn't need to have a SWAT
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: team there. It proves that you should have. It was
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: good you had a SWAT team. So the whole thing
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: is absurd on its face. I mean, the reason this
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: prosecutor was suicidal, had nothing to do with NBC or
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the SWAT team. It had to do with the fact
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that he had just been exposed as a predator and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: his entire life and career, which depended on his reputation,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: were about to fall apart. solely because of his own
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: crimes and depravity. That's the reason he shot himself. He
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was probably thinking to himself, oh no, I'm about to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: go to jail. Okay, prosecutors in jail don't fare very well.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Child predators in jail don't fare very well. What's going
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to happen to me? You know, checking both of those boxes.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: That's what he was thinking to himself. And he made
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the decision that he's made, and he's solely responsible for
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: that decision. Even if the police had gotten on the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: bullhorn and mocked him for being a disgusting degenerate pervert,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: which they didn't do, but I wouldn't care if they did,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: they still would not be liable in any way for
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the decisions that he made. And neither would NBC or
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen, you know, for the simple reason that People
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: are responsible for their own actions. That's kind of the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: central message of To Catch a Predator. And that's why
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: these people hate that show so much. And the point
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of films like Primetime is to defame and destroy anyone
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: who spreads that message. There's a host of other fabricated
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: details in this film as well, including the idea that
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Hansen's producer demanded that the SWAT officers outfit their rifles
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: with cameras for the raid on the DA, which apparently
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: didn't happen. There's a scene where a cop who's organizing
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the raid says something like, let's get this Democrat DA
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: or something, which makes it seem like a political operation. Again,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that didn't happen. They also have one of the decoy
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: actors on the phone with the DA during the raid,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: where he sings a song from the musical Rent over
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the phone to the DA, which is also totally made up.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: In the film, the raid happens at night during a storm,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: when in reality it took place in broad daylight. It's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: all designed to make the operation look as unprofessional and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: cruel and just sort of nefarious as possible. And obviously
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that they have to lie constantly about what
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: actually happened is a pretty big clue that the operation
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: was completely legitimate. It's also a sign that the demons
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: who made this movie very clearly are sympathetic to some
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of the worst people in society. There were many other
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: malicious fabrications throughout the film. For example, in the real show,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Hansen and NBC partnered with a group called Perverted Justice,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: which was staffed by people who were committed to the mission.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: But the film portrays Hansen as a cunning trickster who
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: whines and dines the decoy and inflates his ego and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: promises him that he'll be a real actor one day,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: even when the decoy has to endure all kinds of
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: psychological trauma as a result of the show. Again, that's
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: all fabricated. There's a ridiculous scene where after Chris Hansen
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is told by NBC president Jeff Zucker, who bizarrely plays
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: himself in the film, tells that he'll be moving to primetime,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: which also didn't happen since the show was always in primetime.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Hansen goes home and forces his children to watch an
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: episode of his show while he brags to them about
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: his new time slot, even as the kids are visibly
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: disinterested in the whole thing. And none of that happened.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: And not only that, in the scene he shows his children,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it's extremely graphic and inappropriate. So they're portraying Hansen as
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: this kind of weirdo who doesn't care about his own
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: children's innocence to try to make him a hypocrite here.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And it's all totally made up. Hansen spoke specifically about
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: these scenes in a recent interview. Watch.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: The scenes of him dealing with Stone Phillips, for instance, ridiculous,
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: never happened. The scenes of him dealing with Jeff Zucker,
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: the head of NBC, sometimes during this investigation period, never happened.
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: Zucker plays himself, by the way, in the movie. But
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: the conversation that the real Jeff Zucker, being portrayed by
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: Jeff Zucker... as with Robert Pattinson playing Chris Hansen, never happened.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Never happened.
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: In all honesty, what bothered me most was it portrayed
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: me as an aloof, detached father to my sons, which
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: is so far from reality. And for them to do
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: that really is just a cheap shot with no entertainment, literary,
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: or benefit to any viewer or society. It's just mean-spirited, untrue,
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: And unworthy of the viewer's time. And they didn't want
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: to hear that Chris Hansen's a good guy.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: They didn't want to hear that this work is important.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: This director had a dark image of what he wanted
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: to do. He wanted to create a horror-like film with
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: interesting photography and didn't want to hear anything else. Didn't
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: want to have his mind polluted by anything positive that
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: this actually achieved over the last 22 years.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I bet it changed the way you look at Hollywood.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It does. Now, the way the film is structured for
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: about the first half, Hansen is portrayed as this ratings-obsessed narcissist.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: And then once his affair is exposed and his ratings
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: supposedly begin to slip, he convinces himself that he's really
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: on some sort of a spiritual quest to rid the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: world of evil. There's a scene where Pattinson overacts in
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a flamboyant fashion, which you can see here, and they
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: kind of play it for laughs. Again, the point is
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: to portray him as a highly unstable, unsympathetic, kind of
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: mentally deluded figure. But If you actually watch the show
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen made, you'll find that over and over again,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: he demonstrates extraordinary restraint, even in some very difficult circumstances.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Here's one of them.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Watch.
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, looks like he's going to park on the street.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Can you hear me, Doug?
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: He gets out and goes to the.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Rear passenger side we think maybe he's going to get
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: beer pizza stuff that we see these guys bring all
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: the time instead he grabs the hand of his five-year-old
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: son and leads him out of the car and up
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the driveway and i hear frag say oh no he
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: brought his son with him he brought his son with
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: him he's got his child with him apparently the mother
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: of the child his wife was working that day he
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: was in charge of the child and figured he'd just
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: bring him along And there was a collective gasp that
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: you could hear in the house.
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: He's going up to the front door and he has
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: his child with him.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: He's one of.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: These guys who had a very short online chat, but
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: then on the phone is graphic about.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: What he wants to do.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: And he has this conversation with Dell, who's posing as
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the 14-year-old boy.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Making the turn, coming in the back door.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Coming through, walking into the.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Living room, holler out.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: And so I'm thinking, all right, how do I handle this?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: And so he comes in, he's got the kid by
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the hand, and I walk out, and he's startled. I've
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: got to tell you something, and I'm going to tell
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you just straight up right now.
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: We're doing a story on adults beating children.
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: And since you have your child here... I'm not going
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: to pursue this. But I think you know what you
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: were doing here, don't you?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Take a boy out to lunch you.
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: Met on the internet.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: My point is, because your child is here, I think
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: it'd be best if.
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: You just went ahead and left.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Of course, Frag is talking to the police saying, you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: this has got to be a different sort of arrest.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Rob, we're going to send this guy out.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: We're not going to interview him because he got his kid.
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  Speaker 2: Sir, right there.
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  Speaker 1: You come here.
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  Speaker 5: You come here. Let go of the child.
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  Speaker 2: As gently as the female officer scooped him up, he
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• 37:26
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• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Now, keep in mind that this is the kind of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: thing that they were exposing on this show, and we're
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: supposed to believe that Chris Hansen's the bad guy? I mean,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: if the only thing the show ever did through all
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: of its seasons, if the only thing it ever did
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: was just to catch that one guy, then it would
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: be worth it. But, of course, it did a lot
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: more than that. Now, if Chris Hansen were, you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: sort of demonically obsessed with ratings, he could have let
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: this whole thing play out.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, he could have milked that situation much more
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: than he did. But he recognized what a horrible situation
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: it was. And he also recognized that there was an action,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: not just a decoy, there's an actual child here now
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: in the situation. And so he shut the whole thing
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: down immediately. And most importantly, he helped the police arrest
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: a man who was very clearly a danger to society
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and to children. And that is heroic. It's the kind
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of thing an honest movie about Hansen would celebrate. Instead,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: in primetime, they have a scene where they bust some
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: quadriplegic who we're supposed to feel sorry for. I mean,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it's embarrassingly obvious what these filmmakers were trying to do.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: It's also strange at a fundamental level, which explains Chris
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Hansen's reaction the moment he left the theater.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Watch.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Chris, what did you think of it?
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: It was so bizarre and so in and out of reality.
• 39:09
  Speaker 10: It's hard for me to, you know, obviously I'm not
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: objective because the character is, you know, me, but it
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: was so detached from reality or anything I've ever experienced
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: then or now.
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: Doing the investigations. I just think it's, I'm not sure
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: what the point of it was.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: You know, if you want to make the case that
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Hansen's personal motives aren't entirely pure, and that he might
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: have made some mistakes in the process of making the show,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you know, fine. I'm open to the possibility that he
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: had he had unfortunate character traits. You know, everyone does.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Most successful people who are obsessively committed to anything are
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: going to have some parts of their character and personality
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you can criticize. comes with the territory. And anybody who
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: works in front of the camera for a living is
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: susceptible to becoming vain and greedy and self-obsessed. Anyone who
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't work in front of the camera is also susceptible
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to those things. That's called being a human. But when
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: someone is doing good and noble work, as Chris Hansen was,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and then also turning that work into entertainment to be
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: consumed by the masses... Yeah, there's a natural tension that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: arises between those two goals. And trying to do something good,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: but you're also making it into quote-unquote content. Which doesn't
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: make it evil, doesn't make it wrong, but there's a
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: tension there. There's a tension. And you can make an
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: interesting film that explores that tension. Maybe someone will make
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that film, but this is not it. because this is
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: just a character assassination. This is turning into a cartoon.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And the fact remains that these kinds of predators typically
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: don't get harsh prison sentences if they get sent to
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: prison at all. Often they don't suffer any significant consequences,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: even when men like Alex Rosen managed to prove that
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: they're guilty on camera. So the idea, as one of
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the criticisms of Hansen, you hear this a lot, the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: idea that Hansen and other predator hunters should just let
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the cops handle everything, doesn't really hold up. That's one
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: of the more plausible criticisms is that when you're not
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: busy trying to make him out to be the Joker
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: or cartoon villain, is, well, actually, he's interfering, actually, with
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: our ability to catch these predators because of everything that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: comes with turning it into a television show. That's just
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: not the reality. Now, police departments were not sufficiently addressing
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: this problem, still aren't. That's not entirely their fault. But
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: they weren't doing much of anything in many cases. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: even when they do do something and now you have,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you catch a predator and you send him to the DA,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you send him to the prosecutor and you put him,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: now it's up to the prosecutors and judges and juries.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: And we know how that process falls apart very often.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: So if Hansen comes in, and gives the system an
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: incentive to actually do their jobs, that's a good thing. And,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and this is the crucial point in my mind, if
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: these predators are not going to be thrown in prison
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: for life, and most of them will not be, right,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: whether they're caught on TV or not, you know, whether
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: they're part of a televised sting operation or if they're
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: caught some other way, the vast majority are not going
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: to be getting lengthy prison sentences. They're just not. Well,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: then at least if they're on the show, they could
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: be publicly exposed and shamed. And for some of them,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: like that DA, as we saw, the public exposure alone
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: is a fate worse than death. So again, what Hansen
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: was doing was objectively noble and necessary and just. This
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: is also justice. These people should be publicly exposed, publicly shamed.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So that even when they get their slap on the wrist,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: which is inevitable, that's how it almost always works out. Still,
• 43:16
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• 43:21
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• 46:16
  Speaker 1: them to choose from, it's very revealing that Chris Hansen
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: is the guy the media and Hollywood have decided to
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: single out. Why him? If you want to tell the
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  Speaker 1: story about someone who was famous on TV 20 years
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: ago or decades ago and exposed that they were really
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: some kind of monster behind the scenes, why is he
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the guy? As I mentioned earlier, though, it's not just primetime.
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  Speaker 1: There's a whole campaign to take down Hanson and everybody
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: like him. The documentary Predators, which is streaming on Paramount +,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: broadens the attack to the whole predator-hunter genre, which has
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: become popular online in recent years. It also features interviews
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: with Hansen's weepy decoys, two of whom now sympathize with
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the predators, saying they couldn't tell the difference between fantasy
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: and reality. The documentary also features some of the more
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: sympathetic interrogation footage of the predators, which is sympathetic relative
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to the other stuff that they show, although still not
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: sympathetic at all. But the stuff where they cry and
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: apologize for what they did This is footage NBC didn't air,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and the implication is that the show was deliberately offering
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a dishonest portrayal of the Predators to dehumanize them. Of course,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: if you actually watch the show, you'll recall plenty of
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: examples where these people would break down, start apologizing. This
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: was often shown on camera. And some of them are
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: depicted in primetime. The documentary Predators also demonizes police officers
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: for voluntarily wearing cameras during the production of some episodes
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: of To Catch a Predator. not for the DA raid,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: but other episodes, even though pretty much every police officer
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: wears cameras today, they're called body cameras, and they're universally
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: recognized as a good thing, or at least they were
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: recognized as a good thing universally until the left realized
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: that it often portrays black criminals in an unflattering light.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: But anyway, there's also this sequence, which tries to make
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: the point that the show was presented as entertainment rather
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: than serious journalism.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Watch.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Also tonight, something that has never happened before. Police move
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: in on a surprising suspect and there are deadly consequences.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: We all knew who he was.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Nobody anticipated the kind of outcome that resulted.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: And I talked to Dateline's Chris Hansen about this tragic
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: turn of events and this was his reaction to what
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: unfolded that day.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Everybody on the scene would have rather have had Bill
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Conrad tell his side of the story and if necessary
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: have his day in court.
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: But that's not the choice he made.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: No, it certainly wasn't.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: And make sure you catch Dateline's next Predator investigation Tuesday night.
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: And coming up.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Oops, she left it again. Britney's second stint in rehab's
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: over and done with, so can anyone or anything convince
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: her to get the help she so desperately needs?
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: But first, Jay.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Leno shows us the latest hero to hit NBC's must-see SC.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: It's coming up next. Good God.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: So that was supposedly their grave sin over at NBC.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Instead of treating this dead predator with the reverence that
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: he supposedly deserved... maybe with a moment of silence. Let's
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: have a moment of silence for the dead scumbag predator
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: who shot himself. What a tragedy. Instead of doing that,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: they previewed a lighthearted Britney Spears segment instead. Instead of
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: pretending like they killed this guy who was the absolute
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: scum of the earth, they had the audacity to talk
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: about Britney Spears instead. Can you imagine? Actually, that's exactly
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: what this guy deserves. This predator who killed himself deserves
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: for his death to be treated like a like a joke,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: like his life had no meaning. He deserves that. As
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I said, he should just be buried in a hole
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: somewhere without a gravestone. That's what he deserves. Now, I'll
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: concede that in some very extreme cases, these Predator Hunter videos,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the ones that spawned from Chris Hansen, can verge into
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: vigilantism and mob justice, which is bad. and irresponsible, largely
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: because it jeopardizes and undermines the mission of exposing these
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: guys and hopefully having them prosecuted. Predators include some of
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: that kind of footage as well. By and large, though,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: these videos are doing the same thing Chris Hansen did. Actually,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: in some cases, they're producing even more remarkable footage. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, Alex Rosen says he identified
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: an alleged predator on the faculty at the University of Houston.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: He was briefly put in a police car on camera
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: in front of students who were visibly stunned. This is
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: from the local ABC station. Quote, the University of Houston
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: faculty member and graduate student has been suspended after being
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: confronted on campus by a child predator fighting group. UH
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: confirmed the suspension Thursday afternoon after Eyewitness News inquired about
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a kick live stream showing him confessing to buying child
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: porn and messaging minors in a conversation with Alex Rosen
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: on the group Poaching Predators. Sources told Eyewitness News that
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: UH police have turned the case over to HPD, which
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: will investigate the educator for online solicitation of a minor.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: HPD has yet to return requests for comment. He's a
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: danger to society, Rosen told Eyewitness News. Now, I don't
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: know whether this professor is guilty or innocent. That'll be
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: adjudicated in a court of law, as it should be.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: But I do know that it's extremely disturbing to think
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: about the number of teachers who are actually predators. And
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. And men like Alex Rosen,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: who are risking their lives every day to conduct investigations
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: like this, deserve enormous credit for what they do. Instead,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: documentaries like Predators are demonizing them. They actually managed to
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: interview Chris Hansen for this documentary. And as you'd expect,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: they tried to make him look as morally bankrupt as
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: they possibly could. But as even The New Yorker admitted
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: in a recent article, it backfired. Hansen held his ground.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: This is footage from his interview at the end of
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the documentary.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Watch.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: People watching this may feel like you have something to
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: answer for. That this genre of TV you've helped make
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: doesn't deter criminals or get to the bottom of their crimes.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: It just helps us enjoy it. And I mean, I mean,
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: documentaries too. So I'm not just coming after you here,
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: but we make TV and we point cameras at something
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: and the trauma continues. What do you say to that?
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: I understand your point. And it's a valid point.
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: But you don't know how many times someone has come
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: up to me at a store, at a restaurant, on
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: the street, and said to me, thank you for what
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: you do. I was victimized by an adult when I
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: was a child, traumatized in a way that has forced
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: me to be in therapy to this very day. And
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: every time you confront a predator, it makes me feel better.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: I understand people saying, you push it too far. You
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: take a man at his worst and you put him
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: on television. You shame him. I'm okay with that. I'll
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: take that criticism. But for every human being who comes
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: up to me to tell me their story about being
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: a survivor, this particular investigative franchise is for them.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that.
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: And if that's my legacy, very comfortable.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: So again, he's the exact opposite of how they want
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: to portray him. He concedes those critics have a valid
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: point in a sense. It's true that many people who
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: watch these kinds of shows at some level are often
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: trying to feel better about their own lives. That's true.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons people watch Cops and Live PD,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: which is now called On Patrol Live, post-BLM hysteria. Or
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: the reason people watch the 600-pound Life about the really
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: fat people on TLC. All these are intervention about people
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: who have drug problems. That is a motive that a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people might have in watching a partial motive
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: in watching some of this kind of stuff. But the
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: question is not are some members of the audience getting
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: the wrong message here? At least that's not the interesting
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: or important question. You know, if that's the only issue
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: we care about, then nothing would ever get done. You're
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: not responsible for what's going on in the minds and
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: hearts of other people who are viewing what you're doing.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: The real question is, does the content serve an important
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and morally righteous purpose? And the answer to that question is,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: in the case of nearly all of these kinds of videos,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: whether it's Chris Hansen or someone else, is a resounding yes. Now,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: it's anyone's guess as to why Hollywood elites like Lance Oppenheim,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: seemingly out of nowhere, are now reviving their campaign against
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Hansen and the other predator hunters. It could be related
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: to the mass migration of the past decade, which has
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: led to a new wave of abuse, most notably in
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the UK. Certainly, the left has a vested interest in
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: running cover for this abuse and the people who commit it. Alternatively,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: this could also be related to the rise of AI
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: content that these predators are using. Maybe we're seeing an
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: effort to normalize this kind of behavior in the eyes
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: of the public by demonizing anyone who objects to it. Fundamentally, though,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: it's clear that these people simply do not believe that
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: these predators are doing anything wrong. For similar reasons that
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: they support abortion, they truly believe that adults should suffer
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  Speaker 1: no consequences whatsoever for harming children. And we mentioned Lindsey
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Clancy earlier. It's no coincidence, I don't think, that we
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: have this campaign against Chris Hansen at the same time
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: you got people rallying around Lindsey Clancy. The message from
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: these people is that, you know, it's okay to harm children.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: If you have a good sob story, if you feel
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: like you had a reason to do it, it's okay
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: to harm children. It's hard for us normal people to
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: wrap our heads around, like, how could that be anyone's
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: actual view? How could it be How could anyone really
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: think that? But they do. That's the unspoken evil underlying
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: the attacks on Chris Hansen and the cottage industry of
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: predator hunters that he helped create. Now, you can mock
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Pizzagate and the conspiracy theorists all you want, but the
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: fact remains that Hollywood just put out a big budget
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: movie that exists for the sole purpose of defaming and
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: destroying a man who exposed how common this evil is.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: The day they set up their first sting operation, they
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: had more than a dozen people walk into their decoy
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: house in just two days in one local area. It
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: was like moths to a flame. And in every neighborhood
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen went, it was the same story again and again.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Even after his show became a nationwide phenomenon, people knew
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen might be lurking in the home. Even after
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: it became a meme, before memes even existed. Still, there
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: were people showing up by the hundreds. This is why
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Hollywood and people like Lance Oppenheim want to ruin Chris Hansen.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: It's the same reason they want to ruin anyone. He
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: was effective. He still is effective. And with primetime, like
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Predators before it, they've tried and failed to take him down.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: All they've accomplished, and this is clear to anyone who
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: watches these films, is to demonstrate that they are deathly
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: afraid of this evil being exposed. And maybe for them,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: afraid of them being exposed for who they are. They
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: saw what happened to Weinstein and Epstein, and they don't
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: want it to happen to them. The fact that they're
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: desperately producing hit pieces like this is the strongest proof
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: yet that after many years of waiting, they might soon
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: get exactly what they deserve. That'll do it for the show.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I also want to to remind you and announce that
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday at noon central time, I'll be doing an
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: all access live on Daily Wire. This is your chance to,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: if you're an all access member, to come and ask questions.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: And in particular about the real history of colonization Africa,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: which is also releasing for all Daily Wire members on Wednesday.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So that'll be going up the same day as the
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: all access. We could talk about that. We could talk
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: about anything else that'll be on Wednesday. And that'll do
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: it for the show today. Talk to you tomorrow. Have
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: a great day. Every significant movement in history has started
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: with protesting.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: You're a traitor!
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Uncle Tom! This is our generation's civil rights!
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what the protest is about. Bingo!
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Given the current climate, should a figure as polarizing as
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Clay Saunders even be allowed on campus?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Uh, can you hear me okay?
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: Saunders is a close personal friend of Chancellor Freeman.
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: This is a decision I cannot fight.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Islam will conquer the West. As-salamu alaykum. Are we paying attention?
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: They've taken over the building. They're downstairs and they've blocked
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: the doors.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: I seek forgiveness from Allah the Almighty.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: We cannot run and hide. Muhammad is the.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: Messenger of God.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: There is no God but Allah.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: What do you say we turn those SOBs into a
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: fine red mist?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: As we move, one man will cover while the other
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: guys go.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: They call that leap project.
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  Speaker 10: Stretch them out and listen.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: You need a course in safe weapons handling.