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Does Bill Belichick deserve more credit for the Patriots' dynasty than Tom Brady? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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safety, the one, the only. Jordan Poyer.
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Jordan, what's up? How y'all doing man?
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I'm I, I honestly I, I, I don't know how the hell I got here.
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Nith Nithum. What's his name?
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Nith. Nith.
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Yeah, yeah, him and I. I like anal.
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Accidentally, we accidentally ran into each other and then all
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of a sudden now here we are. You guys seem fun and and cool.
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I've never heard of your show, Joba.
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I watched you growing up couple of times patient for the Yankees
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and big baseball fan back in the day when I was growing up in
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high school. But yes, I'm I'm excited to be
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here and, and excited to chat. Well I will say this, he hates
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being called Joba, so I do that. Perfectly well.
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My fault, brother. My fault, brother.
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You know what? I've been called worse, fam.
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So I'm good. I'm good.
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I just. For sure.
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What do you like to be called? Just not late to dinner.
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I. Like that one?
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I like that one. Well, he's definitely never late
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to dinner, as we all know. Yeah, for sure.
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I'm smaller than I was when I played.
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Right now I know I'm messing. Listen, I'm just messing around
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with you as I always do. And and Jordan, if you actually
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listen to this show, this show is a little crazy.
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We definitely, we get our content.
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We we talk a lot of football, baseball, hockey, basketball,
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mixed martial arts. We are very knowledgeable what
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we're talking about. But the whole point of this show
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is to have fun when we get guests.
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Absolutely. We want people to feel like
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they're at home hanging out on, you know, if you're on a lunch
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room with your your boys in high school, you could sit have a
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little fun with with us, grab a drink as job is probably doing
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right now, or grabbing a sausage with speedy like some thick and
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you know, dark as he always tells and long right Speedy.
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Length doesn't matter. There you go.
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Jordan Lane doesn't matter anyways.
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Jordan, there's a lot of football to get into and, and
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it's crazy because the football season is right around the
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corner. OTAs are right around the
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corner. And where before we get into
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your thoughts of what happened last year, where do where do you
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see yourself this year as an NFL player?
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Do you see a team out there that you want to play for and why?
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Yeah, yeah, the Bills and not necessarily like, you know,
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I've, I've thought I've gone back and forth this, you know, I
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spent 12 years playing the game I love at a very high level.
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You know, at this point in my career, there's really nothing
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left that I need to prove. You know, I'm enjoying this
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time, this off time. It's the first time really in my
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whole life that, you know, I've been able to kind of just kind
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of sit back and not have to be ready to go into training camp
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next week. You know, right now.
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I got messed up fingers, dude. I got shoulders.
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I got, you know, you know, just a lot of things on my body that
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would prohibit me from playing, you know, 17 games in the season
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because the season's long. And, you know, the idea of going
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back to Buffalo and retiring to build would be spectacular when,
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you know, whatever that looks like.
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I'm not sure, you know, if there was an opportunity for me to
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come. They needed a body to come in
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and even, you know, I call it get on the Michael Hyde plan.
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You know, Michael Hyde came back there last year and, you know,
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he just helped help the young guys get ready to play.
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He was on the practice squad and I I, I don't have, you know,
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there's nothing about me that's, you know, I'm going to go there
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and, you know, feel like I got to go take someone's spot.
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You know, I, I really just, you know, I've had, there's been
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some conversations. Nothing's in stone, but it's,
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you know, obviously something that it, it could be a
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possibility, but you know, I'm at the point of my career, dude.
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Like, you know, last year was it was super tough on me.
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I mean, it was tough on our team, but just made me in
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particular, you know, just coming, being in Buffalo for so
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many years and being in that culture and then going to Miami
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and you know, it was, it was great dudes on the team.
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It was, you know, I, I have created relationships on that
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team that I'll, you know, have for a lifetime.
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You know, it was just, it was just different, you know, and it
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was, you know, the team was different, the culture was
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different. You know, the staff is different
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than the way they interact with you and you know, you can point
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fingers all sorts of here and there's and you know, and you
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know, I, like I said, I know a lot of homeboys on that team
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still that I do wish, you know, nothing but the best for.
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But you know, it took a lot out of me, took a lot out of out of
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me mentally, physically and and you know, I'm at the point of my
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career again, like I was all pro in 21.
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I was a pro bowler in 22. I had 24 picks in my career,
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like I was a seventh round pick, you know, for my story, Oregon,
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you know, a small town in the mouth of the Columbia River in
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Oregon that really nobody even knows where it's at.
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So, you know, to say, you know, I, I probably shouldn't, if you
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would have thought 12 years ago I'd play 12 years in the league,
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people probably would have laughed.
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And so, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm blessed to be where my feet are.
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You know, I, I can't complain at all about, you know, I put my
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blood, sweat and tears into this game.
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But to be able to give back to the game in some sort of manner
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to also also be able to kind of close that chapter and on on my
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football career, you know, as a Buffalo Bill.
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And again, that's not necessary. You know, it's just helping
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guys, you know, get ready to play, you know, giving them my
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knowledge. I've learned a lot about the
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game of football over the years. And, you know, just being able
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to get back in that way would be, you know, ideal, you know,
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fantasy world. Yeah, absolutely.
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But right now, I'm right where my feet are.
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I'm kind of, you know, in a way excited that I don't got to get
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ready to go hit somebody next week, you know, and I just kind.
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Of you want to hit somebody, I got Speedy, I'll hold them down.
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You could beat the hell out of them.
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You'll hang them up as a pinata, Jordan, You will hang them up as
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a pinata. You could.
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Probably just hit me without somebody holding me down.
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That's. Not I love Lisa Ann.
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Well, somebody. Got to do it.
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I, I, I've been saying this over and over and over again, when,
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when you look at the quarterback position, Josh Allen won the MVP
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last year. A lot of people were questioning
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it because of what Joe Burrow did last year.
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Joe Burrow have put up numbers that we haven't seen a
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quarterback do ever. And then you have guys like
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Lamar Jackson that's putting up the numbers every single year.
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And remember, you got to you got to ask him the question.
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I will, I will, I will. Why is it that everybody last
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year thought that Josh Allen was the best quarterback in the
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league? And why do you think he
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should've or shouldn't have won the MVP?
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I'm always riding with Josh. You know, I and there's there's
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a clip of me after I had signed with the Dolphins, I went out to
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Buffalo and you know, there was a big Mike, I had a softball
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tournament out there and he gave me the mic to just kind of say
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my goodbyes. It was a cool way to say my
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goodbye to Buffalo. And you know, I had mentioned
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even then, like, look, you guys got the best quarterback in the
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game. Like I truly believe that not
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even just, yeah, OK, maybe a little bit of bias, but like
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I've seen Josh when he came in as a rookie and, and seen, you
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know, how much he's put into the game, how much he's put into
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himself. And, and even just not even just
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better himself on the field, but off the field too.
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Like, you know, he's so much more mature.
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He's so much he's he's really come into his own and he's a
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fucking, he's like, he's a competitor, dude.
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Like, I've golfed with him and he just doesn't like to lose.
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Like this play right here. Like, you know, like people
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might be surprised, but like, if you know, Josh, like there's
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just that's just him, dude. And like, I don't don't see any
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other player any other quarter. Yeah, Lamar Jackson might.
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OK, right. But like, that Josh is also
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slinging that thing down the field, standing tall in the
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pocket, escaping big guys. Like he does.
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He does it all. You know, I was watching Mike
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Vick highlights the other days, you know, and talk about like
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the quarterback era changing, you know, right, like the the
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the quarterback used to be under center drop back.
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You guys remember used to watching football back in early
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2000s and you know, late 1999 and you know now like you kind
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of look at Mike Vick in the way that he really almost changed
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the game, right? You want a quarterback that can
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move around in the pocket that can escape and extend the play.
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That's really where most big plays are made, where a
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quarterback is able to break off a tackle and and extend.
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I mean, this is my first NFL game ever right here.
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That was the first play of the game too, which is crazy.
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I was AI was a Philadelphia Eagle.
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I started at Nicola again, I was the first play of the game.
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That's crazy, but but like to be able to throw the long ball
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brand and be able to like get make people miss and in the
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middle of the field and just play backyard football the way
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he does. Like I just yeah, I might be a
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little biased, but I just don't see anybody else doing what he
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does. And I do feel like he definitely
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deserved that. So I want to go back to the
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quarterback you play with at the start of your career too.
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And a guy and Johnny Manziel that was quite a personality too
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in in Cleveland and obviously had the off the field this year.
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So his career didn't last as long.
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But now I was spoken saying the NIL money is going to make him
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wear more guys get paid more than in the NFL too.
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So what was he like on and off the field?
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What are your thoughts to those comments in NIL in football now?
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Oh, man, that's a loaded question.
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You know, Johnny at the time was young, too.
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You know, he was coming out of Texas A&M.
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And again, you know, when you're young and you get, you know,
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thrown X amount of money and you feel like you have the world
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figured out and. I'm sure you'd be dumb and full
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of cum as we all say. Right, you know, and, and, and
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seeing, seeing his evolution now, seeing where he's at now
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and you know, the state of mind that he's in now, state of
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awareness. And you know, I have
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conversations with him every once in a while, every blue
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moon, but just, you know, knowing that he's in a better
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place he was now that he is now than he was in Cleveland, you
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know, cuz Cleveland was wild, dude.
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We were sorry. And we were just a bunch of
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dudes that just went out and partied all the time.
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Like we just went out all the time.
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Barley House went to rumor. We went to the casino.
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Hey, Barley House, I played. I played for the Indians.
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Barley House went when the house went, son.
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Went crazy. And then when it when it closed,
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I'm I'm I'm not trying to dime anybody out, but when you go in
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the backroom when it gets closed, fans, oh for sure they
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will they. Will let you stay. 100 What are?
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You doing in the? Backroom.
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No, it's just, it's literally a back bar where it's like, it's
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just like all of our players in private where we're just like
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all of us are just chopping it up like.
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You're. Going to you're going to, you're
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going to have Browns, guys, you gonna have baddies and back
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there, I mean, you're gonna have it.
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Was crazy time. Barley House was hey and Joe did
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a good job. Make sure to take care of us.
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I gotta go to. Joe, I gotta.
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Go to a barley house. Yeah, check it out.
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Check it out dude. It is a definitely get.
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Myself into trouble. I know it's, it's, it's, it's
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good fun. It was never, it was never
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anything crazy. Yeah, Cleveland.
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Cleveland is a slept on city though.
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Like it's, it's, it's sneaky good.
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Yeah, I live down in the flats. When I stay down there, I.
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Live, yeah. Punch bowl.
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So I lived in Westlake. OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
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Yeah. Cleveland was a good time.
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But like, yeah, we were, we were.
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So we were so bad. I think we won like 3 games or
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four games in three years. And you know, Johnny was drafted
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and it was like Cleveland was this massive explosion of
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Johnny's going to come over and save us.
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Johnny didn't watch an ounce of film.
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Like he didn't watch no film. He just went out there and
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expected to just sling that thing around.
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He did every once in a while. And I mean, it's just kind of,
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it's crazy full circle to kind of see how everything has played
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out, right? Like AG Aaron Glenn, he was my,
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he was one of my DB coaches in Cleveland.
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And he's somebody who I've well respected dude.
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And you, I heard you guys talking about it earlier.
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I'm super excited for him to have the opportunity and with
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The Jets because you know, he's somebody who I've I've just held
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the highest regard for since I've came into the, you know, I
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was a rookie maybe my second year and he was more kind of the
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on his younger side of his coaching career and see him go
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and you'll be in Detroit. I think he was in another team
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too. He might have been the.
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Saints. The Saints.
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Yeah, might have been the Saints.
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Yeah. And then and then he played, you
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know, like that's what I like. I don't like sometimes I don't
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understand how like, like, you know, it's I'm not I'm knowing
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the judge. But like, you got to put coaches
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in front of us that has played the game, right?
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Like we can relate to. He's somebody he's going to
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motivate that team. Jets are going to be a force
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because of him, not just because of him.
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Obviously they got talented players, but like him coming in
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there and you know, you know, it's, it's going to be exciting
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to to see them play. Yeah, Jordan, I, I, I wanted to
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ask you something too. And I, and I've always, I've
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always thought this kind of touched on NIL and how that, you
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know, that's changing things too.
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And the one thing that like I wanted to ask you about with
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with your career and everything. And I got a son that's a
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sophomore in college and playing baseball, but you played
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baseball, basketball and football and you were late.
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You were late pick, obviously in the seventh round.
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Like have you seen or like been in a way where like how did
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those other sports make you better in like your profession?
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Right? Because I see just so
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one-dimensional people that are just playing football or they're
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just they're just playing basketball.
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They're just playing baseball where you played it all.
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And obviously it it's not easy to do what we do, you know,
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playing 10 years and and doing it in baseball and you doing it
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in football. And that is remiss now because
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of of the money that they're getting because they're
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specifically in that. And how did that help you in
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your career? Though I think playing baseball
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was one of the biggest like blessings for me to be able
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because I was well, I was nice. I know everybody says it was
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nice in baseball bro, but like I was, I was nice baseball playing
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the outfield. I could hit, I was strong arm.
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I just couldn't play the infield.
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They tried to put me on shortstop and third base.
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I couldn't feel the ground ball. It was just I could be in the
16:47
outfield tracking down fly balls.
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And like, that's why I do believe that it transitioned
16:51
over to tracking a football too. Like I'm able, you know, I I
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returned punts a couple times in my career, but to be able to
16:57
track a football, like that's an art in itself, right?
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Like not everybody even you see out there on Sundays has the
17:04
talent to be able to really track a football right, Because
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there's you know, like I'm sure you've been out in the outfield
17:10
before, like where you you get a ball off a bat and it's like,
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holy fuck, like, and that that alone is an art too.
17:16
And right. And if you're able to kind of
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read, you know, I played right field and center.
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So you had to I I had to know the pitch.
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I had to know, you know, what he's throwing.
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So that I had to obviously know the hitter and get a jump off
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the Reed or off the off his swing off the pitch.
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And that's kind of where my jumps, you know, I jumped
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everything for in college and then ball skills.
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I just kept working on that. So I think that transition is
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like, go back to this NIL stuff. Like the game's changing.
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And I'm sure even baseball is like changing in so many ways,
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right? But like these kids now days,
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everything is social media. Like back when we were growing
17:51
up, it was like you went out to the park and you just grinded
17:54
like on whatever. And it was like, I played three
17:57
sports and all of them correlated.
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It didn't matter. We like you're training for all
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three sports. You're not training for just one
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damn thing, which is like what kids do nowadays.
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And like, that's fine to a certain extent, but it's like,
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dude, like I, I just feel like you're missing out on so many
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more just attributes that you can gain just by like extending,
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you know, extending your knowledge of different sports,
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right? And like, you know, for me,
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baseball came easy. Basketball my mom just made me
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play because I was athletic, you know, but football was like
18:29
where I dominated. Baseball dominated too.
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I was actually a nice pitcher too out of fastball and just a
18:35
12 to 6 curveball knuckle curve. That's all I threw.
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But baseball I, I, I didn't have as much fun playing baseball.
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And that's, you know, I played actually a year at Oregon State
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baseball and football and that actually was really tough.
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I didn't have like females doing my grades and stuff which I
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should have had like I don't know why it was like in.
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North Carolina. Yeah, I don't know what I.
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Was I did have that in college. So I was, I was, I was, I was
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good. So you're a cheater.
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Yeah, like. Jabba's a cheater.
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No that's not cheating bro. The school system is ridiculous.
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Hey, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
19:09
Trying so like it sees your degrees anyway, so like, I don't
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know what we've been talking. About so kids like Jordan, but
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like when, when that comes down to it and it's, it's I'll never,
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I'll never forget the one article I read about Christian
19:24
McCaffrey and how he said if I didn't play those other sports,
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I wouldn't have been as good as I was because I it's it not only
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like I think it goes deeper than just how we resonate of lateral
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movement of reading balls of, of doing those things.
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Because. Jabba.
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Like to read? Balls.
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We all know that he likes to read a lot of balls like Jabba.
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That's but it. But it's it's everything tied
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together though, like. It's and it's clubhouses, it's
19:53
locker rooms, right? It's all of that of being better
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when you're just in one, like in one dynamic, like you're only
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stuck in that in, I don't know if you saw this as much as I
20:06
did, but like you knew the dudes that like either had it or
20:11
didn't have it because like, obviously baseball's a little
20:15
different. You'd get kicked out of high
20:16
school. Well, they didn't have to be in
20:19
an astronomy class to follow their, you know, their degree
20:23
where they didn't care about baseball, they didn't care about
20:25
football, they didn't care about basketball where you had to work
20:28
with them. So you had to like get out of
20:30
your comfort zone where you see these high school kids, that's
20:33
all they know. They were living with mom and
20:35
dad and now they're going to do this and they, you know, they
20:37
just got a 7 figure contract as a signing bonus.
20:40
So I did you ever notice like, like how people were different
20:45
in that way? Yeah, I mean, I got that.
20:47
And that's what I'm saying. Like the game is even changing
20:50
now, right? Like because one of my buddies,
20:52
he's a coach, I'm not going to say where I played with him in
20:56
Buffalo. Now he coaches in the collegiate
20:58
level, at a Division One collegiate level.
21:00
And you know, he's going and he I, I saw him two weeks ago.
21:03
I'm like, hey, brother, how how, how is it?
21:04
He's like, bro, I can't coach these kids like they're making
21:08
more money than me. Like what do you say to a 1819
21:12
year old kid that feels like he knows everything about
21:15
everything because he's making a couple $100,000?
21:17
Like in his mind, that's I'm rich brother.
21:20
Like I don't need you. Like I just go out here and play
21:23
cover 4. And so now, now these kids are
21:26
coming into the league. It's like, OK, if if I go to a
21:30
school and I don't like it, I can just transfer.
21:32
Well, the coach you're never going to get, you're never going
21:35
to be able to coach a kid. Like the details of the game.
21:39
Like there's so many details in the game of football that's
21:41
missing from a lot of young kids coming into the game.
21:43
Like it's like coaches are just telling them, hey, go out there
21:46
and play cover two. OK, what does that mean?
21:49
Like, where are my landmarks? What am I looking at?
21:51
Where are my eyes supposed to be?
21:52
What am I, what's my feet supposed to be?
21:53
But no, the kid can run, jump, Sprint and he can do all that
21:57
fast stuff to go out there and just play cover 2.
21:59
You got to have to feel. There's so much more than just
22:03
hey, go out there, play cover 2. You got to have to feel, you
22:06
feel me like there's a lot deeper to level of understanding
22:09
of the game within the game. And I'm sure you I mean, even
22:13
baseball is a game within the game of baseball.
22:15
Shit. The people don't necessarily
22:16
see, you know, like that, that that aren't optically, you know,
22:20
to the normal person who can't see there.
22:22
And that's what I think is lacking in these new this new
22:25
generation of nil, right? Like kids can just transfer.
22:29
They don't ever have to like work to go get something.
22:32
Oh, if I don't like it, I'm going to go over here to, you
22:34
know, North Carolina. I just said that just because
22:37
somebody said North Carolina earlier, I'm going to go here to
22:39
North Carolina transfer. Sure it wasn't Bill Belichick's
22:42
future wife. Not a respect for Coach Bill.
22:46
So I ain't got nothing bad to say about Coach Bill.
22:48
I'm. Not saying it, I'm just talking
22:50
about his wife or his future wife.
22:52
I got nothing bad to say about Coach.
22:54
Bill. Oh, I'm trying to get it out of
22:55
you. We are.
22:56
Talking, Wayne. Wayne, we're not, we're not
22:58
throwing anybody under the bus here.
22:59
Let's we are doing that. We are talking to 12 year NFL
23:03
vets. He played for the Eagles, the
23:04
Browns, the Bills, the Dolphins, Jordan Poyer.
23:08
Now Jordan, there's a lot of we've been going back and forth
23:11
and we were kind of arguing what is the most important positions
23:15
in football and I gave 5. We said obviously the
23:18
quarterback, offensive tackle, defense, defensive line, you
23:22
know, a pass rusher, a corner and a wide receiver.
23:25
Those are the five most important positions.
23:28
We feel that's why they get paid the most money.
23:30
Now, if you gave us your top five in order, where would it
23:35
go? We know quarterback would be
23:37
where is #2 #3 #4 and #5. Big, I would say.
23:42
Quarterback, I would say. I would say corner, I would say.
23:50
Quarterback is 1. We've agreed on that.
23:52
I'm, I'm, I'm, I, it's got to be a defender too.
23:55
And I'm, I'm torn between a corner and a pass rusher.
24:00
I think. I think it would be a pass
24:02
rusher, somebody who can get. At #2.
24:04
You're saying two at #2 Yeah. Interesting.
24:07
Yeah. I'd say pass rusher, not a.
24:10
Tackle. Not a tackle.
24:12
I would put, I would put tackle. Saying an edge guy.
24:15
An edge guy saying an edge. Guy, yeah, an edge guy.
24:17
And then and that's very close to a tackle.
24:19
Jake's going to be happy right now.
24:21
That's very I would say that's very close to a tackle.
24:24
So that's then three and you said there was obviously wide
24:29
receiver corner and oh dude, because I would say I would say
24:35
corner. I would say corner because like,
24:38
OK, and this ain't gotten it. Like Josh has good receivers,
24:44
you know, like he doesn't have nobody.
24:46
That's like that's, you know, like you would consider like the
24:51
great the top two in the league right now.
24:54
I love, I love when we can do this, Jordan.
24:57
And when we talked about this, we can get a 12 year vet that is
25:01
questioning himself on what is the most important and he's been
25:05
at the pinnacle of what he's played like.
25:07
This is this is because. There's a lot to go.
25:09
There's a lot to go. There's a lot that goes into it,
25:11
right? You say the top five.
25:12
I mean, that's fucking. The NFL.
25:16
Six players short, they're all fucking you got.
25:18
Yeah, all but Jordan guys got. But Jordan, these are the reason
25:21
why we're saying that is because these are the most, these are
25:24
the guys that are getting paid the most money.
25:26
So when you're looking at it, the tackle, what the tackle does
25:30
is protect the quarterback. If the quarterback doesn't have
25:32
a good tackle, he can't get the ball off.
25:35
And then you need a pass rusher to get at the quarterback.
25:37
You need a dominant force there. And then you need a corner to
25:40
stop anybody's number one wide receiver because he can ruin a
25:43
game. So we've seen this before, but
25:46
it it, it makes it so interesting in my eyes because I
25:50
didn't play NFL football, but I've been around a lot of NFL
25:53
players. I've been on many different
25:55
football fields with a lot of great players.
25:58
And I've asked them the same question.
26:00
A lot of them tell me quarterback 1, tackle 2, pass
26:04
rusher 3, corner four and then wide receiver 5.
26:08
And then I've heard one quarterback 2, offensive tackle
26:13
3 corner, then pass rusher, then wide receiver.
26:16
So a lot of them got kind of twist, but they the reason why
26:20
me and Jake were going back, we have an intern who he believes
26:23
that the pass rusher is the the second most important position.
26:27
But here's. The thing I would it's arguable.
26:30
But here's the here's the reason why I would I would go against
26:34
that because if you don't have an offensive tackle, and we've
26:38
seen it before, as we've seen Joe Burrow, look at what Joe
26:41
Burrow has to has to deal with every single time he hikes that
26:44
ball, he's got to deal with somebody trying to kill him and
26:47
take his head off. How he gets the ball off is
26:49
pretty incredible. But if you just had one good
26:51
offensive tackle, the rest of the the rest of the whole line
26:55
is like, you know, so then there's no point.
26:58
If you had one dominant pass rusher who can go wreck a game,
27:05
That's how I that's how I see like, okay, you got the best
27:07
offensive tackle in the OR or yeah, left tackle in the game.
27:11
But the your other your other boys right here, they are not
27:15
very good. I'm just running games over here
27:17
all day and like, I'll put, I'll put my my second or third string
27:22
pass rusher out there against your best guy all day.
27:25
Hey, go out there and yeah, go, go win against the best
27:27
offensive tackle in the game. You get a sack against him, you
27:29
don't get paid. But OK, now you have the best
27:33
pass rusher in the game, even if it's the best pass rusher versus
27:35
the best offensive tackle. I'll take my pass rusher all
27:38
day, every day here. Gets the best tackle in the
27:41
game. Here's how.
27:41
I see. It here's how I'm going to argue
27:43
with you, OK? You're going to double, you're
27:45
going to double team them. But now, OK, I'm going to open
27:48
it up in the right up the middle.
27:51
That's the cat and mouse game that you got to.
27:52
Play we got the 49ers right the 49ers for years have had Trent
27:56
Williams right he's been the best tackle in the NFL that rest
27:59
of the rest of that offensive line is doggy Doo Doo.
28:02
I'm sorry, it is as Doo Doo as Nathan's blue blazer.
28:07
OK, that's that's just as bad as his outfit that he wears.
28:10
And we'll post that up so you can check it out.
28:12
OK, It's as bad as that. All right.
28:14
I honest to God, how many times have you seen a pass rusher get
28:20
to any of the quarterbacks when Trent Williams is out there?
28:24
It's very rare. And and that and and that gives
28:27
I and A lot of people a bias here.
28:29
Their quarterback. A lot of people think their
28:31
quarterback is overrated, just got a lot of money.
28:33
What are the what are most people saying arguing against
28:35
that? I'm just.
28:36
That point right there. Which one?
28:37
What are most people when you when you bring up that point
28:39
about Trent Williams in San Francisco 49ers and nobody
28:44
getting to Brock Purdy, what are most people saying to counter
28:48
that? Or is that the first?
28:49
Is that the first time you brought that up?
28:50
Oh, I've I've brought it up to many different people.
28:53
Right. So and so where are there is
28:55
anybody countering that or people you know, because the
28:57
only thing I would say is like, right, like that offense is that
29:00
entire offense is built around the run and play action.
29:04
Oh, 100%. Yeah, right.
29:06
And so like if you're able to run the football, which is what
29:09
they want to do, which is why people are going to argue about
29:13
Brock Purdy and like his ability to actually like come back from
29:17
a game. Like you're down 14 games.
29:19
Is Brock Pretty somebody that 14 points in the last five minutes
29:22
in the game? Is Brock Pretty that somebody
29:24
that you want to be able to lead your team down the field in the
29:28
last, you know, to come back from 14 points?
29:30
That's not how they, that's not their style of football.
29:33
Their style of football is keeping the game close.
29:35
They're going to ### they're going to fucking.
29:38
They got George Kittle and they're going to ### then
29:41
they're going to hit a play action.
29:42
They're going to get the ball out of Brock Pretty's hands.
29:44
Like style of so like, yeah, I mean you we go back, back and
29:47
forth on this already. I'm not arguing with with you
29:50
top five. No, there's the there's the blue
29:52
blazer look. At that outfit.
29:54
Right there is that wasn't it. Nathan.
29:56
Nathan. That's the Nathan.
29:58
Jordan. You could call him the Legend of
29:59
the Leash. The Legend of the.
30:01
Leash the legend of the leash. Oh, here it is.
30:02
I'm putting you on a leash now. As we have a whole board of NIT
30:06
right here. Breaking news, A lot of hot
30:08
ladies, they call me the Ladies Man and Mr. Studio.
30:11
I will say. To go I will.
30:13
Say when you get a dude that puts his leg, when we get
30:17
conversation. Glory hole.
30:20
That becomes real because he was, he was sitting back just
30:24
enjoying conversation and then when he got valued, invested in
30:29
the conversation, leg went up, arm went over and Jordan was
30:34
going in. Who end up being a one in this
30:36
thing when? When you get that fan, trust me,
30:39
I grew up in the hood. I my dad was in the prison for
30:43
20. Seconds Jabba likes my shrimp
30:44
cocktail. And when you went there, I was
30:47
like, all right, this is this is gold like this, this is it.
30:51
This I love Lisa and. I'm different than all these
30:55
cats. I'm different.
30:56
Oh yeah. He's different.
30:57
You want to hear his sound. I could tell.
30:59
Here's I could tell. Here's.
31:02
What's up, brother? Hey, thank you for thank you my
31:05
guy for joining the show. Thank you.
31:07
Absolutely you want absolutely. I don't know how I got here bro,
31:09
but we here. Having a good time?
31:11
We connected on Instagram man. No, I know, I know, I know on
31:15
accident, but. An accident?
31:17
Come on, I I know you saw my page before.
31:21
We don't have to. We don't have to talk about that
31:23
one time, bro. I don't know bro, but we hear
31:26
though this is nice. It was good.
31:28
Somebody. Somebody was spamming you off,
31:30
Nathan. 'S I thought.
31:35
I was coming into a psychedelic podcast and.
31:40
Well, you know. Well, I would never do that to
31:42
me. Yeah.
31:42
I, I I. Was good.
31:43
I was that's I was ready, but and then I saw the the YouTube
31:47
clips about 20 minutes before I hopped in here and I was like,
31:51
oh, this is when I thought I was.
31:53
I, I worked with a tons. I actually, I worked with Johnny
31:56
Manziel before. I've done stuff with a bunch of
31:59
athletes that you know, in the in the league.
32:00
Athletes, athletes. Oh, we got that drop right here.
32:07
Jordan, what did you? Accidentally stumble onto
32:09
different Instagram. What was it the no way, sorry.
32:12
You know what it is? I think we, we shared one of his
32:15
videos. I think you, you had a speaking
32:17
engagement. I think we shared that video,
32:19
remember? Pulled it out of my ass.
32:21
Oh, you shared it and then I that's what it was.
32:24
Yeah. And then you, you said thank you
32:26
for sharing or something. OK, OK.
32:28
This makes my pecker hard. Yeah.
32:31
So good. Well, I appreciate you brother.
32:33
I. Appreciate you.
32:35
I got you man. Dude, no problem.
32:36
Well, before we let you go, we do have a sound board and we
32:39
like to have fun with it. So this is Jabba's sound.
32:41
Sure you're ready to hear this? This is a really good one.
32:44
Here we go. Here.
32:45
It is at the rah rah shish kumba he tastes himself.
32:50
I had to take a shit. I got the bubble guts.
32:52
What about skid mark? I'll let you lick my butt.
32:55
Pulled it out of my ass. This makes my pecker hard.
32:58
Like I always gave up the booty. I wouldn't piss on him if he was
33:00
on fire. I gave up the booty.
33:02
As long as she's using dude wipes and taking care of my 2
33:05
hole I'm good. You know what I'm I'm just a.
33:09
Dude that you know, that's it. That's really like.
33:15
Breaking news. My.
33:16
My father raised me the right way.
33:18
My father raised me the right way.
33:20
I was like, I ain't no better than nobody else.
33:23
I love, I love this shit. I love.
33:27
And at the end of the day, I'm like, I get to talk sports with
33:31
some of the greatest players and like, that is the coolest thing
33:35
for me. And like getting to meet these
33:38
guys and how this happened was crazy.
33:42
Like now having you guys on and like having a different
33:46
perspective. I've seen.
33:49
And my son is literally a sophomore in college and I'm
33:54
just, I'm not 40 yet. I'm almost there.
33:57
My pinky is bigger than being able to play.
33:59
It was like when I see certain things and like, I know dudes.
34:04
I know dudes and we know them. And when you get comfortable and
34:08
you start doing shit like this, you're like, all right, all
34:11
right, we in here. We in here.
34:15
Yes, Sir. I grew up different.
34:17
I grew up different when we get in there.
34:20
I like anal. Fun part about all we do.
34:24
Jordan. You have been so great man.
34:28
I've, I've watched your career and I appreciate you saying
34:32
you've watched mine as well. But man, you know what it's,
34:35
it's always one of those fun things to you.
34:37
And you said this as well. It's like, I'm not worried about
34:40
a week out having to go tackle somebody.
34:43
And now it's like I got to go watch my son's game.
34:47
Like I don't have to do that anymore.
34:49
Well, because we've done what we've done, you know what I'm
34:52
saying? Right.
34:53
I didn't proud of that. I, I, I did what I did,
34:56
especially laying 11. I let one go.
34:58
I hopefully nobody smells it, but nevertheless, I, I, we
35:02
really appreciate all the time that you gave us.
35:05
Jordan, you stayed on a little bit longer than I think you
35:08
wanted, but we're happy to keep you on.
35:10
I mean, listen, Nathan was like, remember 20 minute mark 20?
35:14
It's good. No, it's good.
35:16
That's right on time. But we love.
35:19
You around time I had I had a lot of fun, I really did.
35:21
I had a lot of fun and you know, you know, let's let's do it
35:25
again sometime maybe mid season we check back in with each
35:27
other, see how see how those top five are.
35:31
Coming all those yeah, yeah, I'm gonna.
35:32
Have to read read. You know now that.
35:34
We're evaluating. Reevaluate, see how the season
35:37
goes, see how the game changes and we'll, we'll, we'll check
35:39
back in. Including Errol's favorite left
35:41
tackle that was your teammate Dion Dawkins.
35:43
That's right, enjoy. Great.
35:45
He's a He's a great, great motherfucking dude, man.
35:48
Great motherfucker. I I I like a lot of different
35:50
people, but not like you, Speedy.
35:52
You like that sausage, as we all know.
35:55
The dark, thick, salty sausage, right?
36:00
Yes. See.
36:02
See that Jordan? He likes it.
36:04
He likes it. I didn't bring up size and you
36:06
could. Actually not judging.
36:07
I'm not judging. Jordan, we love you man.
36:11
Keep up the hold on man. Hey before you go, how long do
36:15
you think you're going to be side before you if you're going
36:17
to make a decision or not? That's a good question.
36:20
Just, you know, I have had multiple conversations with with
36:24
the team and you know, the idea of me going to training camp
36:27
just doesn't seem like I need to be banging my knees like that.
36:31
And so, you know, I'm going to I'm going to stay in shape.
36:34
I might need to put a little bit more armor on just in case.
36:37
The idea of going out there and you know, if I'm on the practice
36:40
squad, if I'm just helping around, I'm not sure what I'm
36:42
going to make that idea. I am going to Brazil July 31st.
36:47
I'm taking a retreat out there with my mom.
36:49
I'm going to kind of sit with some of these thoughts and
36:51
emotions a little bit to kind of see where I'm at and then make a
36:55
decision after that. And so right now, again, I'm
36:57
just where my feet is and, you know, I'm hanging on my daughter
37:00
and my wife, so. That's dope.
37:02
How old's your daughter? She's 88.
37:05
Shit, my son's 19. Yeah, well, he's.
37:10
He's causing me Gray hairs every day.
37:12
Yeah, I'm probably, I'm pretty sure I'm probably not too far
37:15
behind you. Yeah.
37:15
Well, guess what? He's he's causing him Gray hairs
37:18
and Jabba's causing me Gray hairs.
37:20
So it kind of works in, you know, in every motion as.
37:23
As emotion reach. Together as I want to just grab
37:26
them like this, Jordan, grab them like this.
37:29
Anyways, Jordan, we love you man, Keep up.
37:32
The Yeah, appreciate you guys. Yeah, absolutely.
37:34
We'll talk soon. Absolutely.
37:35
Thank you so much. Appreciate you, bro.
37:37
Yeah. Peace.
37:37
Love. Jordan Poyer.
37:40
Fantastic. Great.
37:41
Interview. That was dope.
37:42
That was dope. Good.
37:43
Get knit. The knit man, as we all say he
37:47
is couch, the couch of the show, as we all know it's it's a
37:51
wonderful thing. Some people lost and some people
37:54
aren't. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
37:56
our next segment is tick tack. No tick, tick.
38:02
Morris. Right in the butt.
38:05
We get the prizes cheap because they're stolen.
38:09
No, no, no, no, no, no. How wonderful.
38:19
Isn't that like the no, it dragged, you know, somebody's
38:24
got to let it go, somebody else. Great job guys.
38:26
That was awesome. Look at Speedy over there.
38:28
I mean the dancing sensation over there.
38:30
I mean this guy, he just rocks on and then you see the back of
38:33
my blonde ass head. It's it's always wonderful.
38:37
Myth. Send me Jordan's number, would
38:39
you? Number.
38:41
Yeah. All right, well, let's let's.
38:45
Well, we could do that after Let's let's all.
38:48
Right, Speedy, start it up, man. All right, let's.
38:50
Start. With the New York Jets, with the
38:52
big news with the New York Jets, obviously Sauce Garner is the
38:54
last is the most recent jet to be the highest paid you.
38:56
Could join this. Player at his position?
38:59
Who was the last? Who was the last Jets player
39:02
before that to be the highest paid player at their position
39:04
when they sign their contract? Say that again one more time,
39:07
so. Obviously saw Scarter's the
39:09
highest paid corner now who was the last Jet when they when he
39:11
signed his contract to be the highest paid player at their
39:14
position at the time. Brett Favre.
39:17
Nope. Damn it, he wouldn't have been
39:20
making top dollar at that point. Well, I thought they got him
39:24
over here. Really.
39:25
All right, well, I'm out. Who was the last jet at his?
39:30
To be the top paid player at his position.
39:32
By the. Jets Darrelle Revis Nope.
39:34
No it. Wasn't Darrelle?
39:36
Revis No, that was the obvious one.
39:38
I was like, I wasn't, no. Revis was at the time, but
39:40
there's somebody more recent. More recent than that.
39:44
So Reavis goes back to like, all right, you said top page, that's
39:51
like 2011, 2012. So it's going.
39:54
To be highest paid in the entire league at his position.
40:00
OK, it wasn't Mangold. It was who did they have?
40:02
Was that good? Was it?
40:06
It wasn't Sanchez. It wasn't.
40:10
No, it wasn't Sanchez. I know Mark Sanchez.
40:14
That's. Funny.
40:16
Well, I'm just throwing names out at the All right, I've got a
40:19
name for you. Brandon Marshall.
40:23
Nope. Good guess though that.
40:25
Was a pretty good guess. Offensive defence Polar.
40:29
Defense. I think I know who it is.
40:30
What do you got? CJ Moses, That's correct.
40:34
Oh, of course, I remember 2019 and it was.
40:40
It was a late sign, too. Yep, it was the highest paid
40:43
middle linebacker for about a. Year.
40:45
Yeah, it was. It was a late sign too.
40:48
I think middle linebacker is the most underrated position in
40:51
football. It's Levante.
40:52
David has has been that in the same way after he had Derrick
40:57
Brooks and Bear Rude. Yeah, Levante, David actually I
41:01
think never was the highest pay, but he was always one of them.
41:04
I think the guy, I think the one that took him over for a briefly
41:07
was Deion Jones and then he got traded.
41:11
And then I think middle Eric Errol, yeah.
41:13
Let's go in. The middle, well, you know where
41:17
lots of David went, right? Yes.
41:20
You made that very clear, Betty. Time where he went.
41:22
I wonder where he went. OK, let's move on.
41:25
We'll go to the. MLBL and who?
41:26
Who was before him too? It was bear rude.
41:29
Bear Rude was pretty. Good.
41:31
So yeah, All right, let's go move on.
41:33
So the last time an All Star game went to the went to extra
41:37
innings in 2018, the winning pitcher of the American League
41:41
actually pitched. This year on the National League
41:43
side, who wasn't? So that'd have been 2008. 2000
41:48
and 1818. I don't even know who was on the
41:50
roster for the National League I.
41:52
Don't even it was 18. So the the winning pitcher for
41:56
the American League was on the National League roster this year
41:58
and pitched in the game. Blake Snell?
42:01
Nope. No, it's Chris Snell.
42:02
Hasn't been pitching all year and sells out.
42:05
He's a kid. He's he's trying to answer.
42:08
He's If that's his, that's his guess.
42:12
That pitched pitched in the last one he.
42:15
Pitched. That pitched it this year.
42:16
He pitched in the National for the National League.
42:18
Was the winning pitcher in 2018 for the AL for the American.
42:21
League. So but he was in the.
42:26
He pitched this year for the National League and he pitched
42:30
in the game. And he's he was the winning
42:32
pitcher in. 2018. In 18 so he would have came in
42:37
late. I'll tell you right now if I saw
42:40
the roster. It's a relief pitcher.
42:42
It sounds like a relief pitcher. Yeah, it's it's always going to
42:46
be a relief pitcher because nobody goes, nobody goes that
42:48
far to even get that. Oh, man, Let me see.
42:51
He's on my roster. Oh, I think I know who it is.
42:59
Go for it. I'm not the I 18 would have been
43:07
like 2 years after I retired. It was I'm like just blanking.
43:14
Yeah, I'm, I'm not playing last night doing the same.
43:17
Thing Aaron, you're in. You can make a guess.
43:18
Just was it Edwin Diaz? He's.
43:20
Right, there you go. Terrible.
43:23
That was like his first or second year, I think I.
43:26
Think it was his second year as a closer, it was his.
43:28
First, like, really good. Year and then.
43:30
He was. Yep.
43:31
And then good guess that was the and.
43:32
Then he was traded the next year to the Mets.
43:35
Yeah. Obviously, Robin, I know it's
43:37
either his first, second year I remember.
43:39
I was going to say Chris Sale, well.
43:41
I was in Sale, didn't play. That's where I was too.
43:44
But he didn't play because he's hurt with a rib.
43:49
All right, we'll give you goodies.
43:50
Avatar Aaron, where do you want to go?
43:54
Why don't we? Why don't we have avatars for
43:56
them? Yeah.
43:57
Where's the first one? The first.
44:00
Ones in the middle, we got the middle, the middle.
44:01
He always goes middle. He always goes middle.
44:04
So then this left, middle, right where you had it, right?
44:07
Yeah. There we go.
44:09
All right, Speedy, ask us one of your harder questions if you
44:12
want to survive. All right, so we'll go to my 1.
44:16
Basketball 1. So when Mark Walter bought the
44:20
Dodgers in 2012, the Lakers, after Kobe, their second leading
44:26
scorer, was a big man who wasn't?
44:30
In 2012 in. 2012 So Kobe was the leading scorer, who was the 2nd?
44:34
I think I got it. Nobody got the team.
44:36
Andrew Bynum. Oh, he does.
44:37
He got it. Oh, I was going to guess that
44:40
too. That's not a hard question,
44:42
that. Was kind of a trick question
44:43
though, because you would think Saul Dwight Howard was there at.
44:46
The time but but speedy like there's only I was going to say
44:49
Saul, there's like five of us guys.
44:52
Well, wait a second, you if nobody knows the Lakers, they
44:55
would have never gotten it because they would have said
44:57
Lamar Odom or they probably would have said.
45:00
Lamar. That's what it doesn't matter.
45:04
That's what. But that was that was around
45:09
Jabba, that was around the time so people would.
45:12
Have, I know, but he's not going to give us the obvious answer.
45:18
I thought it was easy, Speedy, you just gave.
45:20
It was just a layup. What are you crying?
45:23
About tonight what? Are you crying about over?
45:25
There beer in Tic Tac. You didn't.
45:27
Get it? The game is.
45:28
Over that is all she wrote for the Speedster tonight.
45:37
Hey, you're the one who said we need you to get Moon and down
45:40
with Tic Tac. Now I did, and now he's crying
45:44
about it. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
45:46
we have another segment as we call this NF LS Whip around.
45:53
Vote Whip. Whip.
45:55
Whip, Whip. Around.
45:57
All right, let's go. For it let's.
46:00
Strike it out, baby. Is that is that speedy as the?
46:03
Oh, there it is. That's a pretty good picture
46:05
right there. It's a pretty good one job is
46:08
giving Speedy a wedgie because Speedy is a zebra in this one
46:12
and nobody likes the zebras in football.
46:15
Guys, we got the new setup once again for this segment.
46:19
We're going to switch this right here and for our whip around
46:23
first story, which one should we start with?
46:29
Oh, here's a really good one. The Bill Belichick.
46:33
I went back and forth with Bob Kraft in the news yet again,
46:37
because Bob Kraft, you know, tried to make it seem like, you
46:42
know, Belichick, you know, it's it was Brady.
46:46
It wasn't Belichick. Belichick was poison to Atlanta,
46:50
so now he had to go to college. We know the drama's been going
46:53
on for over a year, calendar year now.
46:56
All this stuff with his girlfriend's side.
46:58
Belichick says that people told him when he first went over to
47:02
the pass, when he left The Jets high and dry, that that was a
47:06
bad move. He should not do that, contrary
47:09
to what Kraft was saying publicly recently.
47:13
Is this ever going to end, Daryl?
47:14
These two. No, I don't think it's ever
47:16
going to end. There's a lot of reasons why
47:19
Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft don't like each other.
47:21
One main reason why is Robert Kraft had this love fest for his
47:26
quarterbacks. He had a love fest for Bledsoe.
47:28
And then when Brady came into the picture, he pushed Bledsoe
47:32
out of the picture after he paid him $100 million and took on
47:36
Brady and had had a love fest with him.
47:38
He turned his back on Bill Belichick.
47:40
As a matter of fact, that whole document that that documentary
47:45
was pretty much to take shots at Bill Belichick and only Bill
47:48
Belichick. Robert Kraft wanted to blame the
47:51
whole, the whole situation with Aaron Hernandez on Bill
47:54
Belichick and didn't want to take responsibility that Robert
47:58
Kraft wanted to keep him on that roster until the story came out.
48:01
Bill Belichick is absolutely the mastermind of that organization.
48:06
He built that organization to a championship team.
48:09
Should have he left? Should have he left, left the
48:12
New York Jets high and dry the way he did?
48:15
No, he had the opportunity to take over a Jets organization
48:19
that obviously Leon Hess wasn't there and Woody Johnson was
48:22
there. But he had a chance to take the
48:25
reins, take control of that organization, become the GM
48:29
because that's what Woody Johnson was going to let him do,
48:32
take over and and decide where he wanted to go in the draft the
48:36
way he did with the Patriots at the tail end of his career.
48:39
I, I honestly, Robert Kraft is a hater.
48:41
He doesn't want to give him any credit.
48:43
He thinks Tom Brady's the greatest.
48:44
Good for him. Tom Brady is a great.
48:46
Quarterback. But here's the thing behind A
48:50
great quarterback is a great coach, and Bill Belichick was
48:56
the voice of reason. Did Peyton Manning have a?
48:59
Great coach. Robert Kraft is saying it if
49:01
they would have won with just Tom Brady.
49:04
Who drafted Tom Brady? Bill Belichick.
49:06
Who took her a hunch on Tom Brady in the sixth round?
49:09
Bill Belichick? What offense Jabba did Tom Brady
49:13
run when he went to the Buccaneers?
49:16
Bill Belichick's offense. Bill Belichick is the mastermind
49:20
of that Patriots. Championship game.
49:22
And he's doing it right now in North Carolina.
49:24
He went to the Buccaneers now with Bruce Arians offense.
49:27
His first seven games when he was with the Buccaneers, he ran
49:32
Bruce Arians offense. They were not winning in the
49:36
second-half of the season. They went to Bill Belichick's
49:40
offense, and when he did that, they started winning.
49:44
So here we go guys. The next one that I have is a
49:48
really strange one that I did not even know was still the
49:52
case. Did you know the Commanders had
49:55
not retired Art Monks Jersey even though he was put into the
49:59
Hall of Fame in 2008? So Josh Harris, new owner of the
50:03
Commanders. We all know Daniel Schneider,
50:06
former owner of the Commanders, one of the most reprehensible
50:10
humans to own a team in any sports since probably since
50:14
what's his face on the Clippers all those years ago, I think.
50:19
Snyder. Snyder was worse.
50:20
Snyder might have been if you're saying that he's worse than that
50:23
guy or they made a terrible show about him.
50:26
Using the cheerleaders to draw fans and draw players to come
50:30
and play for his his team, Yeah, I think he was worse.
50:34
Wild stuff with that, but I don't know what the beef was.
50:38
But you tell me because I remember at least because I
50:42
wasn't born at the when they were winning those championships
50:44
or as a little kid. But I'm pretty sure the Redskins
50:47
won three titles and Art Monk was part of all of them with
50:50
three different quarterbacks, with Art Monk being the steady
50:53
receiver. He retired as the leader in
50:56
yards before it was broken by Jerry Rice and he got into the
51:01
Hall of Fame in 2008. Too late.
51:03
Many people thought it took 13 years from the end of Hall of
51:06
Fame. But why in God's name did it
51:09
take till 17 years after that for them to retire the jersey?
51:14
What clowns and why? I think Snyder, I think Snyder's
51:17
behind did. Snyder didn't really like Art
51:20
Monk, and Art Monk knew behind behind the scenes what Snyder
51:23
was doing. He actually was on how many
51:26
shows and how many television shows coming out when they were
51:28
asking about Snyder and his ownership and and what he's done
51:32
for the organization since he's taken over as an owner.
51:34
And he he laughed out. He says, what have we won?
51:37
What have we won since ownership has transitioned into him.
51:40
And when he said that, I think it affected his connection and
51:45
his opportunity to be to be inducted into the Commanders
51:49
Hall of Fame that 17. Years later and not that long
51:52
that he was the owner of the team.
51:53
It's not like Art Monk was a 2008 player like he was a Hall
51:58
of Famer like this was saying at that time, playing it in the 80s
52:02
and the 90s and playing at a high level as their number one
52:05
receiver. And our and our Monk is
52:07
considered one of the top 7 wide receivers of all time and you
52:11
don't put them in your team's Hall of Fame.
52:13
What a joke. And again, that leaves leaves
52:16
you to believe that Schneider has really affected some of the
52:21
the former athletes, some of the former players that want to come
52:25
back and want to support what the commanders are doing, but
52:28
they don't want to the way they were treated, the way Schneider
52:31
treated him when when he was owning the team.
52:34
And our Monk is no longer going to have to deal with Dan
52:37
Schneider because there's a new owner there in Harris who owns
52:41
the Devils and owns the 76ers. And he's a very well respected
52:45
owner. Harris is the kind of guy that
52:47
understands he's an enthusiast, he's a football enthusiast.
52:51
He understands what the game is and what the game should be.
52:54
Responding respected should be absolutely prosecuted for what
52:59
he is Art Monk and his ability to to be looked at as one of the
53:04
greatest position players at command in Commanders history.
53:08
It's like the Yankees not honoring Andy Pettit in any kind
53:11
of way. That's how good Art Monk was, in
53:13
my opinion. So if we move on to a similar
53:16
topic with the Commanders, they have a guy that feels like
53:21
they're getting disrespected in Terry Mclaurin, who's, as we
53:25
know, top receiver on their team.
53:28
Ohio State guy was a Speedy was a second or third.
53:31
Round third round patch. Third round pick.
53:34
People sold him short. He's been excellent every single
53:38
year he's been a league, especially last year.
53:40
Here's a quote from him with how the market is today.
53:43
It conveys what guys of my caliber deserving of.
53:46
I feel I fit in that box because of how I've carried myself on
53:49
and off the field. I don't want to feel like you
53:51
have to beg for someone to see your worth and value everything
53:55
in previous regimes and now I've done everything asked of me.
53:59
Why then if he doesn't have a stigma still attached to him
54:03
from being a third round pick? Would a guy who had 82
54:06
receptions, 1096 yards and a career best 13 touchdowns be
54:12
disrespected with a contract if it wasn't some lingering stigma
54:16
of how how athletic he was coming out?
54:19
It's pretty simple. What can what he say?
54:21
Tara Mclaurin should absolutely make the money.
54:24
If you look at Garrett Wilson and what Garrett Wilson is
54:26
making, he has not done it as well as Terry Mclaurin has done
54:31
it. And as long as Terry Mclaurin
54:33
has done it, I think Terry Mclaurin absolutely is right.
54:36
I think he should be a little bit more respected by the
54:39
organization that he decided to stay with.
54:42
He could have walked. He could have said, you know
54:44
what, when his contract was up, what was it 2 years ago, he had
54:50
an opportunity to go anywhere he wanted.
54:53
And he says, I want to be a commander for life.
54:55
And now that his contract's up and he's putting up numbers with
54:58
Jaden Daniels and he has a chance to be a number one with a
55:01
real quarterback, you should pay him we real wide receiver money.
55:06
Mclaurin is right. He's the number one guy there.
55:09
He should be paid like it. Here's the case with Terry
55:11
Mclaurin, I think with the most recent rumor, I think 35,000,000
55:15
a year is what he was asking for, which is about what CD Lamb
55:17
got last year. So I I can see where
55:19
Washington's kind of having pushed back, there's ways to
55:21
manipulate this cap now where you could either give a higher
55:23
percentage of guaranteed money or you could front load or front
55:27
load it now and back loaded later because the commanders
55:30
have cap space. That's where Mclaurin has a good
55:32
gripe with this. It's the most cap space they've
55:34
had in a while. They don't have to pay Jane
55:35
Daniels for a while. I think.
55:36
It's all right. I think Mclaurin absolutely
55:39
deserves the contract. Terry Mclaurin should get the
55:42
contract. Garrett Wilson got the contract.
55:44
He's the number one guy. Mclaurin has his number one wire
55:48
number one quarterback. Now they bring in weapons to
55:51
help him out. It's going to open.
55:53
We've got the Chiefs making Trey Smith the highest paid guard in
55:58
the NFL fell obviously, remember they moved on from some key
56:03
players. They've had trouble along the
56:05
line. They had injuries last year.
56:08
It cost them finally in the Super Bowl when they had to put
56:11
Joe Tooney out at tackle up against Josh Sweat and he ate
56:15
him for lunch. It was an all pro guard guards,
56:18
tackles obviously different position at the NFL caliber.
56:22
This is a position I did play. I do have some experience on
56:25
this right. Just not as good in space to
56:26
tackle a guard prospect is going to be a little bit less of a
56:29
lateral move or more of a power guy that can just beat up the
56:32
guys inside. The guys have to take on Dexter
56:34
Lawrence, for example. You want those to have some deal
56:37
to move people. So Trey Smith is now the highest
56:39
paid guy in the league, except I don't think he's the best guard
56:44
in the league. Speedy.
56:45
I I think he's good, not great. No, he's and it's kind of
56:49
curious. He's not the best overall, but
56:50
he's still young enough I think to warrant that.
56:52
I think Chris Lindstrom was the previously highest paid guard
56:55
and and maybe at the time I didn't know if Atlanta, he
56:57
didn't deserve it at that time being the highest paid over Zach
57:00
Martin and Quinton Nelson. But it's the highest paid for a
57:03
younger guard and maybe Trey Smith's that next level of it.
57:05
I think Lindstrom's probably a little better than he is, but
57:08
that's the market. And if the Chiefs are going to
57:09
trade Tony like they did and all these other pieces, they had to
57:12
make this work. Best guard and Tony went to
57:14
Chicago and now Tony has a chance to succeed with a coach,
57:19
a new coach in Ben Johnson. Tony was the best guard in the
57:23
NFL when he was over there in Kansas City.
57:26
He won a Super Bowl over there with Kansas City.
57:29
Since Tony has been moved to Chicago and they decided to pay
57:34
Trey Smith, are they going to win another Super Bowl?
57:37
And here's another fact with the Kansas City Chiefs.
57:41
The Kansas City Chiefs are not even expecting expected to win
57:44
the Super Bowl in the AFC this year.
57:46
They're not even favored. So now you're paying a guy,
57:49
you're overpaying a guard that is not even the best guard.
57:52
He's not even a top five guard right now in the NFL.
57:55
More money than you could have paid a younger guard that has
57:59
much more talent and much more opportunity to be an elite guard
58:05
for the Kansas City Chiefs. Overpaying a guy that you trust
58:08
or Patrick Mahomes, you don't pay a guard that kind of money.
58:11
You pay a tackle that kind of money.
58:13
I think it was a big mistake. This is a bad move for a guy
58:16
like Andy Reed because Andy Reed is trying to compete in an AFC
58:20
that is going to now he's got a, he's got a division.
58:23
He's got to worry about the Chargers and Jim Harbaugh, the
58:26
Broncos and Sean Payton. You're not going to be the beast
58:30
of the East anymore. You're not going to be the beast
58:33
of the AFC because again, Buffalo's expected to be better,
58:37
Baltimore's expected to be better.
58:39
And now you're looked at as a third or fourth team in the AFC
58:43
and you're going to pay a guy and overpay a guard that's not
58:46
even a top five guard in the NFL.
58:48
And you let tuning go to Chicago for nothing.
58:52
I, I, I think it's a bad move. This might and it's not going to
58:55
set him back because you have one of the best quarterbacks in
58:58
the NFL that can actually hide the deficiencies of an offensive
59:02
line. Again, I want to see what
59:05
they're going to do in the draft.
59:06
Next year, I think the decision Jabba is because Trey Smith's a
59:09
big guy and he's like an elite, elite run blocker.
59:12
PFF has him as the 7th ranked guard coming into the league
59:15
this year. Obviously a really good player,
59:19
but a run first guy. Now, the Chiefs haven't been
59:21
known for their run game so speedy, it makes me think that
59:25
if they're going to pay him instead of Tooney, it's because
59:28
they want to change their offense to be more run first so
59:32
Patrick Mahomes doesn't have to run for his life every frickin
59:34
play. Eventually, his luck's going to
59:36
run out. Who's running the ball?
59:38
Who's the number 11 receiver? Who's the number one running
59:40
back? I know Isaiah Pacheco, but
59:42
Pacheco can't stay healthy. And Pacheco is not a number one.
59:45
He's a 1B. If you're an average running
59:47
back team, having one of the best run blocking guards in the
59:51
league makes sense to try to open up the holes wider for you.
59:54
So I do think that's the logic, but if that's going on, that
59:57
would be a departure from what they do.
1:00:00
And it's curious to me, because to me that team should be pass
1:00:03
proing. He should be airing it out.
1:00:05
He's got Rashi. Rice is apparently ahead of
1:00:07
schedule coming back from the ACLII DO or the LCL, whatever it
1:00:11
was that he heard. Multiple.
1:00:13
Things it was LCL in like the hamstring.
1:00:15
Tendon or something? Before he got hurt.
1:00:16
So yeah, and it was Patrick or Mr. Holmes himself that hurt him
1:00:20
on that friendly fireplace. So.
1:00:23
But anyway, guys, that's all the news this week on the NFL will
1:00:27
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He's fantastic. And, and, and by the way, keep
1:01:02
tuning into a speedy. Do we have anything lined up
1:01:04
next? Week.
1:01:05
I got both guests already set for Monday, 8:45.
1:01:07
Our first guest will be Jamie Wimborn, former 49ers
1:01:10
linebacker. Play for a couple of other teams
1:01:11
as well, and he'll be out at 8:45 and then at 9:30 joining
1:01:15
us. He's been on our show a lot.
1:01:16
Our friend Matt O'Leary, a New York Jets analyst.
1:01:18
Oh yes, Matt's going to join us and he's a Jake asmin enthusiast
1:01:23
as he's been on his show quite a few times.
1:01:25
So it'll be Matt when he comes on a show.
1:01:27
I don't really mention Jake, but he he knows I know my my jets
1:01:32
and and he kind of takes a step back and kind of has a little
1:01:36
bit of fun with us. He's not like, you know, he's
1:01:40
not really, he's like in between the Jake Asman personality and
1:01:45
our kind of takes. And he's an Islander guy, too.
1:01:47
So I definitely want to hear what he thinks about the
1:01:49
Islanders draft and where the Islanders went in free agency
1:01:53
this offseason. So interesting.
1:01:55
Interesting. And that's a really good guy,
1:01:57
too. So we got to get him to come and
1:01:59
hang out with us because he lives in Long Island.
1:02:02
So interesting. Anyways, thank you to fans.
1:02:05
We will be back next week Monday and Wednesday.
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Until then, this is jopping them out saying goodnight.
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We'll talk to you then. Goodnight everybody.
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