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2009 Revisited (feat. Kevin Weir) · Academy Vs Audience

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  SPEAKER_03: Hi there, hello listeners.
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  SPEAKER_03: As we will soon be covering the 2020 Oscars were such a massive blow to the Academy's perceived credibility that they decided to bring back some box office champions to the makes, or at least try to make that as possible as they could, and that meant the return to Jimmy Cameron and Pandora.
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  SPEAKER_03: And at braces for that, we present to look back at our first trip to James Cameron's world of of Thundercats vs.
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  SPEAKER_03: Robotech.
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  SPEAKER_03: Join us, won't you?
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  SPEAKER_04: Since 1928, the Academy Motion Picture Arts and Scientists has been handing out trophies what it considers the best films of the year.
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  SPEAKER_04: And all that time audiences have had their own opinions.
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  SPEAKER_04: This is Academy vs.
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  SPEAKER_04: Audience, where we revisit all the best picture winners and the corresponding box office champions.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm Dan Gibbons with me as always is Aaron Weir.
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  SPEAKER_04: How's it going, Aaron?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, Dan, I am being called for jury summons tomorrow, for the third time in my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the first time I only ever have to go to the courthouse, though, so good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I mean I know we have two introductions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Has anyone else ever had to go to the courthouse for the jury duty?
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  SPEAKER_01: What happens?
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  SPEAKER_01: I've never been called.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've been called three times.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is happening?
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  SPEAKER_01: Bananas.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you said that, I was like three?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bananas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wild.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got excused once, and then once I called the number the day before, and they were like, oh yeah, no, that's not actually happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this time it's happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's how I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great.
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  SPEAKER_04: I've never been called for jury duty, and I recently forgot to hit submit on a tax return for an entire year, and no one called.
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  SPEAKER_04: So if Elections Canada didn't keep letting me in the building to vote for things, I would not be convinced the government knows I'm a citizen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fair.
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  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, who is a citizen?
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  SPEAKER_04: Claire Bolton.
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  SPEAKER_04: How's it going, Claire?
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  SPEAKER_01: I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've done taxes before.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've voted.
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  SPEAKER_01: All these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going well.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm in the midst of a tour that's actually happening, which is so great.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it also means my day started at 5 15.
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  SPEAKER_01: Peep peep peep.
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  SPEAKER_04: Less great.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that was just my wake-up time.
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  SPEAKER_01: The actual day didn't start until 7 15.
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  SPEAKER_04: Normal.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know, good times, good times.
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  SPEAKER_04: And the decade wouldn't be complete without a recurring guest to he hand a watch list and gaslight him into thinking there's a reason behind it.
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  SPEAKER_04: Kevin Weir.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I have uh returned.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am also still a citizen, as far as I am aware.
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess I haven't checked recently, but I assume so.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm just getting set up for a weekend at a market.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in return, I watched some movies that I have seen before, which is a nice.
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  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I've seen some of the other ones you maybe watch as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it was a refresh.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was a it was a refresh of films.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm choosing to believe we dragged into this one because Aaron didn't get to have any family the last time we talked about James Cameron, and I assume this one means exactly the same amount to her.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I I saw this one with my family.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is true on Christmas Eve.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh what once the Lord of the Rings movies made their pass through the theaters, you kind of had to start scrambling to figure out what your holiday films were.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we chose the Hurt Locker.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's always the one we're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_04: So in this, the year following The Dark Knight, the short list for Best Picture, hit ten films for the first time since 1943.
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  SPEAKER_04: But the big show came down to two contenders with dueling ex-spouses at the helms, as Catherine point break Bigelow takes on Jimmy Biranna to Cameron for the Director Crown of 2009.
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  SPEAKER_04: So let's just start with Bigelow's entry The Hurt Locker.
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  SPEAKER_04: Welcome to Iraq, where Bravo Company's Bond Disposal Unit, Sergeant JT Sanborn, Specialist Owen Eldridge, and Team Lead Staff Sergeant Thompson, are tasked with investigating possible explosives.
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  SPEAKER_04: Don't get attached to the team lead though, because a remotely triggered IUD takes him out very early in the movie.
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  SPEAKER_04: His replacement, Sergeant First Class William James, seems easygo enough, but Sanborn finds him a little too fond of diffusing bombs himself instead of sending in a robot and detonating from a safe distance like his predecessor.
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  SPEAKER_04: James thrives not on combat, but on outthinking the deadly traps left behind, while Sanborn and Eldritch would really just like to make it through the last few weeks on their tour without getting shot or blown up, and find James's goals incompatible with theirs.
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  SPEAKER_04: So for Sanborn and Eldridge, friendship may turn out to be the real Hurtlocker.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Dan and Aaron already know this, but for everybody else, I've turned off two movies in my entire life because I've hated them so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: These two movies are Baby Geniuses and The Hurt Locker.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are the two movies I turned off.
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  SPEAKER_02: But but how old were you when you turned off the baby geniuses?
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  SPEAKER_01: Probably l I would say in early university.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a fine time to turn off baby geniuses.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's incorrect.
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  SPEAKER_01: You were not in the house.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: I remember it was at my parents' house, so like it it was either high school or university in that time frame.
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  SPEAKER_01: It could also be before, but I remember it distinctly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want to say high school or early university.
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  SPEAKER_02: Still all seemed good times to I mean the main question of that actually comes down to why was that a movie you were watching?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because at least I can understand why you're watching Hurt Rocker.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I assume maybe she was babysitting or it was like a family thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I've seen baby geniuses in an ancillary way numerous times, just not deliberately.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it was one of those movies that we were like, let's let's watch it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can't be that bad, but it was.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was that bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, Claire, a good point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Young adults really do like watching childish things ironically, quotation marks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, it's not, it's not gonna be that bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it can't possibly and and it was, as was the hurt locker.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I made it.
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  SPEAKER_04: Children's movies are porn movies, as long as you're not experiencing an actual emotion while you watch it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will say though, I did make it past the first six minutes of the Hurt Locker this time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll watch that whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got to Jeremy Renner, he's here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I got to Rye Fines, he's also here.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are both of them.
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  SPEAKER_04: What of our four well, three official, I think, cameos of some note in this movie that got like a joint and credit.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: I would argue that I don't think they count as cameos.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think they were just the actors hired in those roles.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a camo you should be like maybe you might, maybe you could argue Ralph Fines maybe was a c I think they were just the people in that role.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_04: They're just weirdly significant actors to show up for four minutes.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but here's the thing with Guy Pierce: you will never recognize Guy Pierce.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: It does not matter how big his role is in any movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every time you see that man, you'll be like, huh! That's Guy Pierce.
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  SPEAKER_01: Legit every single time.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're like, oh, that's what he looks like now, including the brutalist.
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  SPEAKER_02: Guy Pierce's role was essentially like it was essentially for people who are who liked Memento to be like, I remember Memento.
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  unknown: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure people who do not hold space in their heart for the hero cop who solved the Night Owl massacre forget who Guy Pierce is from time to time.
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I know I always remember who who Guy Pierce is.
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  SPEAKER_02: He also he was at Memento, he was at lockdown or lockout.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: He he pops up every so often and is just Guy Pierce.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am continually surprised though, every time I see him, I'm like, oh, that's what he looks like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Guy Pierce sort of coasts on lower budget movies and stranger supporting roles.
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  SPEAKER_04: Russell Crowe decided to try to go big.
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  SPEAKER_04: They each walk their separate paths from the Victory Motel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Fair enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is a movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a movie.
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  SPEAKER_04: Accurate statement.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have returned to my ongoing state of not being able to tell white men apart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that Eldritch Elrit?
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  SPEAKER_01: Eldritch Eldritch was the same guy that was talking to the therapist captain for like 90% of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize the therapist captain was the cool guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the sweet guy who's like, no, this area is not very safe today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't go near here until he got exploded and they shouted his name a bunch.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh, oh, it's him.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good question.
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  SPEAKER_02: How many war movies have you watched at this point and not figured out the best thing about war movies?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is they say their names on their chest.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we've seen so many.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, that is a true fact.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, everybody in these movies just have name tags.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just watch look at the name tags.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I figure it out.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: I will never read those name tags.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so you also can't tell them apart then, because they're all the same guy.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Except for Jeremy Ritter.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can tell them apart once they have their helmets off, and I've seen them.
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  SPEAKER_02: You need the sequence where they have the helmet off but this uniform on, so you can be like name guy haircut.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that's how that's how you do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: You need that moment.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then when they're all wearing the helmets and stuff, then you gotta be like name tag.
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  SPEAKER_02: Defining feature.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or it's Anthony Mackey.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Or it's Anthony Mac the only way.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_04: If you can keep Jeremy Renner and Anthony Mackey safe separate, you are 66% through this movie.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: But uh the Wikipedia article told me that Elridge was a main character.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: It lied to me.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: He's not.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: He is.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's not.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's the third male.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_04: A main character.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_04: He's the third one.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_04: He's the third male lead.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: He's number three on the call sheet, presumably.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if he got bumped when Ray Fines showed up for a scene.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's the important emotion emotional core.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: So you were so you understand that these guys aren't cool.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I understand war is bad and these guys aren't cool.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: But you also don't understand that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, you do intellectually, but movie-wise, you don't understand that until an hour and a half in when Jeremy Renner then has his come to Jesus moment, and he's like, the kid! Oh no! And then he has his emotions.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's an hour and a half in of this two-hour movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the only way he felt that way is because he has a son.
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  SPEAKER_01: They very clearly set that up in the scene where they all get drunk, because this is a war movie.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: So they all have to get drunk and bond like bros.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this time they were like, boy, it sure would be nice to have a boy.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's their one thing having a boy.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_04: Well, what's interesting is that it seems to be it's come to Jesus moment, but it's actually turns out to be a vengeance rampage that results in him finding out, and I understand that I'm in risky ground saying this because when we did saving Private Ryan, I asserted two men were different men and was resoundly refuted.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_04: He was on a vengeance rampage for the wrong kid.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, he's that wasn't Beckham.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: That was not Beckham.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: That is correct.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was a whole different kid.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then when he discovers that like he did it for the wrong reason, he's like, oh, wait.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: Then he's like alive.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: All I can do is ignore the kid.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it was an interesting moment because he's just sort of like, well then why wait, but then why did I do I still feel good about what I did since it didn't, but someone did I mean he shouldn't feel too good about what he did.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: He he ran off the base and he just broke into a man's house.
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  SPEAKER_04: And this Iraqi couple's figuring out what to do about there being an unar being an armed American soldier in their house, and the husband is like, okay, I'm just I'm the four responses flight, fight, friend, freeze.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_04: He goes with friend.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm just gonna try to be super polite and super welcoming, and he's not gonna shoot me, and his wife goes a very different direction.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the way that professor plays that scene when he's like, okay, this very angry, potentially drunk white man wearing an army stuff, not a full uniform, but like army stuff is in my house.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to flatter him by saying he's CIA, and I'm gonna talk about how he's a guest, and I'm gonna be very honored that CIA is in my house.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he does awesome.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: He does let he that was honestly one of my favorite scenes.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: I will say it's a great scene, and he does a fantastic performance, and it's one of the best of this entire movie.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: I like how the movie slowly deconstructs itself, which is really cool.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because it does start out kind of you know with what you expect from like a war movie.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's a bit like, you know, gung-ho and that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you kind you you can kind of be there where you're like, yeah, look how cool James is.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: Look how cool he is.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: He's just he doesn't care if he gets blown up or not.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then as it goes along, you're like, oh, this guy's an asshole.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh like, but he's nice to kids.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wait, no, okay.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Never mind.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's just sort of like the the way and also all of the um uh you know, all the people who live, you know, in Iraq are uh at the beginning kind of shown faceless or not really parts of it, and as it goes on, it also deconstructs just the fact that they, you know, they are just people being there, which I think is really cool.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's cool how the uh movie actively deconstructs itself as it goes along.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: There's one line that makes it better than a different movie, and I'm sorry to get five years ahead of us, but I'm now incapable of separating my takes on Hurt Locker from how much I hate American Sniper.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_04: But there's one line.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I guessed you were going to you were going to say American Sniper.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: I knew it was American Sniper.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: It becomes the better movie just from after his showdown of the cab driver that's sped into his bomb site and is now being dragged away by the rest of the military.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, well, if he wasn't an insurgent, he is now.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like, okay, we've watched a lot of war movies and we've watched a lot of like America, but this one, like, took it to a level that I was like, oh my god, everybody, just shut up.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, all I understand that these are like in reality, these are extremely tense moments.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're doing really, really intense, terrifying stuff.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just in the movie do not care.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: I care about none of you at all.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care about what you're doing.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're just now yelling at each other and yelling at other people who are civilians.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I just cared, like, I did not care for it.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I know this is not the kind of movie that you like, but I kind of think that was the point.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think the point was that these soldiers are shitbags and that we glorify soldiers, but like these are kind of shitty guys who have kind of shitty lives at home who cannot necessarily be trusted to be heroes.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they are, and sometimes they are garbage people.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think because we were in 2009 still, I mean, we're still in the Middle Eastern conflicts, we were still in the Iraq war at the time.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think that is kind of the incisive commentary of the movie.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, 100%.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not a pleasant watch.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_04: The theme isn't subtle, they spell it out in a caption at the top of the movie.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, they do.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: They and they zoom in on it.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: They have a debut, and then they're like, war bad, and you're like, oh, okay.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Gatsurga came out in 2009.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: It maybe was the time where you're like, let's just make this clear.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because it could very easily people be like, look how cool Jeremy Renner is in this.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: But was the theme war bad, or was the theme soldiers are not necessarily heroes?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think well, I think the theme is war is to under to underplay it, war is rough.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_04: War does things to people and it breaks some, and it some get way too into what they're doing without and they were able to express this without just going full war criminal, like Jeremy Renner doesn't blow up a village in response to what he thought was Beckham.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_04: He just goes a little crazy, and his main flaw is that well, he doesn't care if he blows himself up defusing IEDs IEDs.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_04: He also doesn't really care if he blows up Sanborn as much as he should.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_04: As much as Sanborn wishes he did.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that's that's sort of like the path they go with it, which thing is interesting, is that because he is oh wait, and I want to uh mention that one colonel who shows up, Reed, the guy who really, really likes him.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it it portrays him as so creep, like the way that they shoot it and the way they do it is so creepy.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be like, hey, but you're like you're a wild cat, you're a wild man.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: How many how about moments have you?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he is so upsetting, even to James, uh Jerry Reddit's character, that I'm like, yeah, this guy's weird.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: The only guy who likes him is weird.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_04: I would find being flattered by that man the most uncomfortable thing that happened to me all day.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was uncomfortable for everybody standing in that vicinity.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Civilians, military, everybody who was an earshot was like, ooh, ooh.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because he just liked it a little too much.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's almost this moment where you're you're like, yeah, but we saw how tense it was for um the other two soldiers, Sanford and Elbridge.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sanborn and Elrich.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Sanborn and Elrich.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: We saw how we saw how much it sucked for them to be in that uh that situation.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: So to follow it directly up with this guy being like, who was so much further away.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he was not the one standing within the blast radius of the car bomb.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: And we already saw him be dismissive of the guy who like of that um the guy the medic was taking care of.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: So we already are shown to the audience this is not a good guy.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: So when he's the one that's thinks that you know James is awesome, you you get it.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: You get what they're trying to do.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe that's another reason why I d have such a dislike for this movie, is it's not for me anyway, it's not well thought out.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's all laid out for you.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't find anything deep.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: I found it all surface.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: I found they spelled everything out for us right at the beginning, and nothing happened.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like me watching it was like, okay, yeah, we're here now.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, and oh, okay, oh no, okay, okay, cool.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Until an hour and a half in, where we're actually like, oh, he has feeling.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of those one of those things where like it is a it's a sequence of events that happen that feed into a more overall theme.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: But like if you actually just set out the events that happen in the movie, you're actually you're cutting out so much of the film because there are just long sequences, and I can see the point in them, like the sniper and the counter-sniper sequence is very long and honestly very boring, but I feel like on purpose, because you expect the like the action thing, but it is just like people trying not to die.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like they they made a very parallel there between also when they're doing all the bomb diffusion, and it is a lot of just like slow, laborous where does this wire go?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_04: Before I figure that out, I just really need to yank the wire out of these windshield wipers.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're so annoying, they're just continually going, and I gotta stop that first, and then then I can do the rest.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: No, the worst thing was this is when he grabs all the wires to bombs and just yank like it's cool when he pulls it up off the ground.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Goes in all the trailers.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome moment.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: That seems like a wild thing to do to a multiple of unknown, unexploded explosive devices.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Just yank on them.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Just pull them out of the ground.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's fine.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's fine.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: The sniper sequences also shows a better understanding of how sniping fights work than anything you'll find in American Sniper, in that the spotter is playing a role.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of math involved, and there's a lot of just sitting there and hoping you got them all.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_04: Baby is real.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: My I have a friend who did sniper training, and he said it was awful.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, sniper training is just the most boring thing in the world because you have to stay still.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like you cannot move.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it's hours of that, and you get in like huge trouble, like you're reprimanded if you fall asleep.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: If you like have to go to the bathroom, like any like you get in huge trouble for that.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like sniper training is intense.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Yeah, but not for me.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sniper training, not for me.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: Her the her locker is a weird it's a spectrum of where realism matters to the to the the filmmakers.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because let's be real.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think we can be honest, I don't think these are hot takes.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: This movie is boring.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: It is it has like very it does have high highs.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like it has some very good action sequences, it has uh moments that are like very striking, but like generally speaking, it's a boring movie.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it's deliberately boring.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like um I've talked about this in the podcast before about how when you talk about books, there are different um inroads to books.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: So there are like books that are character driven, books that are plot driven, books that are setting driven, or books that are prose-driven.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you can kind of translate that to film in that this is about like the storytelling and setting the mood more so than it's about doing like a deep dive into like an exciting plot.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Or even into these characters, to be honest.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: We don't go those deep in.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's doing a thing, and I think what we're hearing is the thing it's doing is not for many of us on this podcast.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I liked it.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't say all of us, I said many.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: Sign that they don't go too deep is that we only see what one of them's life is like when they get home.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like, we don't follow Sanborn home at all because at this point the protagonist role has shifted completely from Sanborn to James.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Sanborn is quitting the army so he can have a son.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say he just wants a son, and he's gonna keep trying until he gets that son.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: The boys need boys.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: It was laid out very clearly for us.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure by his second daughter, he'll learn to appreciate them just as much as his hypothetical son would have been.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know he's only having girls.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like his whole lineage is just girls.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think he'd actually be a great girl dad.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: A very deeply troubled girl dad, but a very good one.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I I do too.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think he really would be.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: And he's not going back on another tour of Iraq.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well he doesn't think.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully not.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully he's able to, you know, actually find his his place back in the the real world in the grocery store.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: James tried for, let's be real, like that that is still a baby.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: James tried for like a month.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, oh too many cereals.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Can I also just say they had two shopping carts?
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, normal.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And his shopping cart had nothing in it.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, you know what?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: He didn't know what to pick.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was like, Yeah.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: He hasn't been home.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: He got the shopping cart, he wandered around that grocery store.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't know what was happening.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: She does have a baby in her cart, so I actually do understand the need for two.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's just bad at his job.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's so bad at it.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's so bad at it.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: I was sure he picked up multiple things in that grocery store.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: There were a couple things, but there wasn't any.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: There were a few things.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: There were like three.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: They just weren't useful things, right?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's not cart worthy.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: He should have had a basket.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: She the cart, yes, is necessary for her.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: He could have had a basket.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: I I do believe he was supposed to get more things than he did.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: She was pretty clear that he was dropping his.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_04: Probably.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was not doing a good job at this grocery shop.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Grocery shopping, not for his PTSD was PTSDing.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was it was not he was not okay.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he got he got he got back from war, felt like, oh well, at least you you know, you know what she didn't do?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: She did call him a uh wild man over and over again.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I bet if she called him a wild man over and over again, he'd be like, Yeah, you're right.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: I am good at getting frosted weeks.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how many frosted weeks did you get?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's 134.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: 134 frosted weeks?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's so many frosted weeks.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: You're a real wild man.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's what he needed.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: That is what he needed.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: And instead, she said, I'll meet you at the checkout.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then when they got home, she said, chop this carrot for me, this singular carrot.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, yep.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's in instead he had a a normal, healthy life where he wasn't being blown up.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: But unfortunately, he's that's he was not trained, he was not trained to like that.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: He was trained to like being almost blown up.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he had to go back.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: He only loves one thing: the jack in a box, not good for him now.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Being almost blown up, good.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it's so hard for him to clean the gutters so badly he might die.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, to be fair, I know people who have fallen off the roof cleaning the gutter gutters and have been in wheelchairs.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe he needs to calm down.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: He can get his danger if he wants to.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: That was a bad example.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: Let's go back to the cereal thing.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go back to his indecision with cereal.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like what I like when they didn't walk of walking up to a fish and being like, you need to calm down.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: If he gets sugar smacks instead of lucky charms, no one dies.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_04: They just eat, I assume, bad sugar cereal for a month.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: There's from what I remember about when this movie released, there's obviously a lot of complaints and criticisms toward the fact that really like a lot of the criticisms were toward the kind of person that like James is like he would not uh actually exist in this role in the army, which I think is maybe part of the point.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: But um I from what I heard, the uh the grocery store scene was like maybe the reason this movie won its award.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because like that scene would just like hit so many like service members and so many people, and then they're just like, yeah, that probably did it.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, showing that like at home PTSD, like I don't know how to function in the normal world anymore.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I actually almost forgot that scene was from Hurtlocker.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I knew that obviously that scene is I'm like, yeah, it's from a war movie.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: Which one?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Saving private noir one.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: It cannot be American Sniper.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: That movie was terrible.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I did forget it was from Hurt Locker.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: Somehow they made my PTSD means I need to go back to Iraq and keep shooting people worse than Jeremy Renners.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, no.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_04: My only trauma is I'm not still there protecting our boys.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_04: You shot a kid in the heart!
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean America Disniper taught the lesson that hey, you cannot uh return back to normal, normal like society.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: And that's because you're a warrior.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: And you don't and you are you're better than normal society.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this one, this one, this one was like like you can't return to normal society, and that's terrifying.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: Because Hurt Locker wants to show that James is a damaged man from his experience.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_04: An American sniper wanted to turn habitual lying racist into real-life Captain America.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_04: Again, I'm throwing a lot of shade at a movie that I'm going to be throwing more shade at in 2014.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_04: But considering that I've been slagging boyhood since our 1933 episode, maybe I'm not throwing enough shade at America.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: But that's when that movie was started being made, right?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_04: Richard Linkladder traveled back in time and began filming at the moment of Ethan Hawke's parents' conception.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: The the thing about the thing about okay, I I know we're not talking about boyhood, but you this is the first time you mentioned it while I was on the podcast.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: I was saying one quick thing about boyhood, uh, which is that movie had to do at least somewhat well, because it took him way too long to make it.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: And if it was then if they everyone was just like, oh, this is kind of trash, then that would ruin everyone's life.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and also boyhood walked, so merrily we roll along can run.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're also filming that over years.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_04: Twenty years.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: Twenty years he's going to spend on that son of a bitch.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: There's so many ways this can go wrong.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_04: But back to Hurt Locker, I do just want to shout out two lines I really like, other than if he wasn't an insurgent, he is now.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_04: Eldridge's thing about sure glad we brought all these tanks in case the Russians roll up and we have to have a tank battle.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then Jeremy Ritter being like, but the tanks are cool.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, the tanks are cool.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, they are cool.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's just that image, it's just that image of war is bad of the tanks are cool.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: And the shots going over.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_04: All the cool stuff is just sitting around.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_04: It's not part of the actual experience.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: And when he is trying to get back on the base after his vengeance rampage and lies about where he was by saying I went to a brothel, and the guard's like, if I let you back in, will you tell me where it is exactly?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I do like how he full-on lies and says, Yeah.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because he's like, Yeah, totally.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sir, that's not where I was, but yeah, sure, buddy.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe he knows where to find one.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's just an embarrassing lie is going to be believed, and it's still gonna sound better than what he was actually doing.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: He cannot say vengeance rampage.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, maybe on a quick vengeance rampage down the street.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: We're allowed one 15-minute vengeance rampage for every hour of work.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Look, you meet a boy once and you're like, boy, I also have a son.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: I better connect with this boy.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: He sells DVDs.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then you think he's dead.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: You get it.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: You mean that kid over there?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, want a DVD?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: Wanna play soccer?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: Uh well, the kid we found wired to a bomb sure looked like him.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a little.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_04: Are you sure you bonded with him?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: A different one.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: A different boy.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Other boy.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, another boy.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: My penalty note was just Malcolm Barrett from Better Off Ted and Preacher doesn't count as a notable cameo, but it is to me.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: Once again, I don't think these are cameos.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think these are just actors who have been cast in roles.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's cameos are actors who are in a cast in a role.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, a cameo is a cameo is an actor who was cast in a movie.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_04: And all of these pictures move.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_04: As Aaron established, this movie is in fact a movie.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know they stand still for a very long time in some scenes, but but they do move eventually.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I have recently become obsessed with this podcast that has a very small following.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: This podcast?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: This one.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: This one right here.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, a different one.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: A different one.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Similar vibes.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Hidden Rabbits, and it's two film people in LA who are dating who talk about things.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes they're very annoying.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: So listen to it at your own peril.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: I like their annoyingness.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: You will not.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: I am obsessed.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so they're talking about how everyone has a war that they're obsessed with.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they'll only like movies about that war.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's why I found this movie boring.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because I only like World War II.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: What are your guys' wars?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because like I do like World War II movies, and like we've we've watched many of them.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: We've also watched World War I movies, and I enjoyed those.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I also will say I did enjoy, and this is like a wild one.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed Three Kings, the George Clooney movie about the first Gulf War.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's your work.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: I do remember liking that.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: So you feel like the fourth golf.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, I do have a quick question with Dan.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: The quick thing with Dan here for a second.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: Dan, do you have like a a a war that is your your favorite war?
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_04: I never thought about it before, but in terms of cinema, I guess I'd lean World War II just because history so rarely gives us unambiguous good guy, bad guy sides in a war.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just wondering if we've unlocked the other side of the men always think about the Roman Emperor thing, and we've just learned that women have one war that they're really into.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have a war that I'm really into.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think there's a movie that I'm like, uh, excellent, a movie about about the Korean War.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Ew, no one picks the Korean War.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, we gotta go Vietnam War.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_04: Don't remember watching Platoon and thinking this would be better if it were in Normandy, damn it.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever war Skynet started, I guess that one.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Judgment Day.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: That is my favorite war.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I guess my wars are the Star Wars.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, alright, no, it's Star Wars.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Those are good wars.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: That famous historical war of the Star Wars.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it's called.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely historical.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_04: It was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: We figured it out, Aaron.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, continue.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I derailed everything.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think this has been derailed from the beginning.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: No, we we figured it out.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: We figured it out.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: You don't like this one because you don't like Iraq.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's not well World War II.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_04: Like John Mullaney's father, that's where she wants the conversation to stay.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh my last thought on the theme of war just destroys people is I think it's is expressed in the fact that the one soldier who believes in trying to be nice and friendly to the civilians ultimately has to abandon that and pull his gun and say, I told you to move, and then they blow him up.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_04: God, he's so it's so sad.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: A planted hidden bomb designed for specifically him.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: Fuck that guy in particular.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he was being so nice.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: He was telling them it was dangerous there today.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: And he was only there because he was trying to connect to Eldridge.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: He really was.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then Eldridge couldn't handle it.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because he got blown up.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: Eldridge had a really bad time in air.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Literally nothing he could do would work.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, Eldridge, Eldridge should have gone home a while ago.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: He he was not having a good PTSD was going while he was there.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: He also doesn't know how to play Gears of War because at no point while he was playing that game did he ever touch the triggers, which actually are what fires the gun in that game.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh Eldridge, you should have just gone home.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I do feel like perhaps his counselor just did a thing where he gave him an unplugged controller and turned on the demo screen and was like, You're doing great, buddy.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's like giving your little brother the controller.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh boy.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: Poor Eldridge.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then he got shot in the leg and his femur was shattered, so he did have to go.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: In nine places.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, but he gotta do the best thing that anyone gotta do in that movie, which is shout at James.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: He did get to do that.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: He did.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it was Ernest shouting, and it was heartfelt shouting, and he called him a dick and an asshole, and it was warranted.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: The best part of that movie is when he shouts at him, and that one time that Anthony Mackey punches him in the face.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: So hard.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: So hard.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: So hard.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: And he deserved it both times.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't think you always you realize how much he deserves it until later, which is great.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, he deserved both of them because he could have got well, he he almost killed them both times.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Both times he almost killed everybody.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: My final my final thought is basically just that I like.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: I quite enjoy this movie.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I do think it is very, very slow.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I think saying it's slow on purpose does not undo that many people who don't want a slow movie will not like it.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: Which is fine.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like yeah, it's it's slow, it's slow on purpose.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: That sucks for many people.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: I agree with Kevin on both parts because I do also enjoy this movie, but have also used don't tell me it's supposed to be boring if it's three hours and twenty minutes as an argument.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: So look, I get it.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: I probably won't watch it again because it's not about World War II.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I made it past the first six minutes.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: I watched this whole movie.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's my full statement on it.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_04: If you need a movie where Guy Pierce doesn't die in the first six minutes, Javai got a motion picture for you.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's called LA Confidential.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's like all my LA confidential digressions that I didn't do in Titanic are coming out.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're here, they're here now.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: But those can be your weirdest segue into the next film.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, Guy Pierce was there too?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, but he didn't die in the first six minutes.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't, it's true.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: I can promise you one thing.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Guy Pierce does not die in the first six minutes.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: Not in the first six minutes, no.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: Or the last six minutes.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: Or yeah, the film.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Minutes in the film.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_04: But since we're heading that way, the Hurt Locker was nominated for nine Oscars and it won six.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_04: Picture, director for Catherine Bicelow, first woman to ever win best director, finally tying women with sex criminals avoiding their sentence in France.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, the first?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know we knew this, but sorry.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Can we just hang a lampshade on that?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: The first woman, 2009.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's all.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: In a boy movie, a movie with two women in it.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Two women in the movie.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: I also remember this so distinctly at the ceremony, like watching the ceremony and that happening, and like just the hurrah of it because it was the first.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_04: And she did it by beating her ex-husband.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_04: Good for you, girl moment.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, sorry, Dan.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: We have derailed more important facts, but the lampshade, the lampshade, it had to be hung.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 40:18
  unknown: Yep.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_04: It is one of the most significant things about this particular Oscar win.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_04: Also won original screenplay, editing, sound editing, and sound mixing.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: It lost lead actor for Jeremy Renner, cinematography, and score.
• 40:31
  unknown: Okay.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_04: Surprise surprisingly, it did win the BAFTA and the Critics Choice Awards, but not the Golden Globe.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: Was it because Ray Fines was there?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Is that why it won the BAFTA?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Even though they killed him immediately?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't this the year that is isn't this the year that had an education as another film?
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: It is about to get to that.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, then no, Ralph Fines is not the reason because there's an actual British film that feels much more like BAFTA would be.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: People won't get it.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: People won't get why we like this movie.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: So we have to say that we don't like this.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: We don't, not this one.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: This one's not for us.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: We'll think that war movie.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: We understand the ending is clear, but we don't think this movie should be the one we give an award to.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: We'll do the American one, because Ray Fines was there.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: He was in it.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yay!
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: To my mild surprise, again, Rotten Tomatoes ranks this number twenty out of ninety-eight.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_04: Under the Godfather Part 2 and over the bridge of the river Kwai, which feels excessive.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Drop that lower.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_04: Me, I realized that I could not say with my whole chest that this is the best Oscar-winning movie about losing yourself a little during a desert war, and notch this one down a little to number 29, right in the war messes with people's head district under Lawrence of Arabia and over Unforgiven in Platoon.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I made a horrible mouth noise in that into that microphone.
• 42:05
  unknown: Okay.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't hear it.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Dan will cut it out.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I talking about this?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: Not now.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, Ned's staying in now.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: We referred to it.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: We'll keep referencing it.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: He has to keep it in.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_04: Our other nominees, once again, in my personal rank order.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_04: The blind side at number 10.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_04: A heavily whitewashed biopic of a wealthy woman who acquired a black youth for her college's football team, which frankly wasn't great before the black youth came forward saying, Yeah, that's not how it went.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yes.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_04: Acquired.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_04: That's the word I'm choosing to use.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's an appropriate word.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it is correct.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: It is correct.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: Best actress.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Poor Sandra Bullock.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: She's done so many great things, and this is the she has to be fair, she does a good job of it.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: All about Steve is what she's remembered for.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Guys, I own all about Steve and DVD.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: I will not be judged.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_04: So did everybody who attended the Razzies that year, because she came to accept the n the day before she won Best Actress with a cart full of All About Steve DVDs saying, Maybe if you watch it again with your heart, not just your eyes, you'll understand maybe this wasn't the worst movie of the year somehow.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_04: But, you know, I still accept.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: I love her.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: She's so great.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: Miss Congeniality forever.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_04: I've I've been using maybe if you watched it with your heart instead of just your eyes ever since.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's gold.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: That is perfect.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_04: Number nine, in which an impoverished teen tries to escape her abusive household for the sake of her unborn baby.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_04: I never understood nor respected why they were so insistent.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_04: We know it was based on the novel Push by Sapphire.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I can tell you why.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's because it could not be titled the the saw they could not be titled the movie Push, because it would be too close to the other 2009 film starring.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Chris Evans push.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: Of the people with psychic powers.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Two movies.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: Blown away came out in one year, and they could have pulled this off.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, they were too scared people would confuse the two.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_04: I will.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: From now on, I will.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_04: At number eight, a serious man, in which a Jewish man makes his way through three rabbis looking for an answer as to why his life is falling apart, only to find that neither God nor the universe offer such answers, and that things can, in fact, always get worse.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: Some dig this Cohen Brothers examination of the unknowability of existence.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_04: I find its refusal to be a satisfying experience, unengaging.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_04: I was watching this with a couple friends, and it was the night after the rap party for the play we were doing, and my friend Sean nodded off part way through a serious man, woke up and asked, Well, I fell asleep.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_04: What happened?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_04: I just pause and think and say, This isn't really a movie where things happen.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_04: But then it got worse because we didn't watch the blind side.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: Number seven is our impending next topic.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_04: Number six, District Nine, in which a South African bureaucrat is forced to have more sympathy for the alien refugees held in a nearby detainment camp than he wanted to.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: A better movie about apartheid than the movie released the same year with Nelson Mandela as a character.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot about District Nine.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: I remember really liking it at the time.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's a fine movie.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of kicked off the trend of that um pseudo-mocumentary.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: Kicked off is a weird thing to say about a Trezparad for a while, but that pseudo-mocumentary style.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_04: Number five is foreshadowed an education.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_04: What should have been the breakout role for Carrie Mulligan as a teen girl who learns that no matter how nice and charming this older man is, if he really were a stand-up guy, he wouldn't be picking up 17-year-olds in the first place.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: Sixteen.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: Sixteen year olds.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: She has her 70th birthday of the movie.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: Watch that, watch that movie with a girlfriend.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: She thought she wanted to watch a romance.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: And the second you learn there's 16, I'm like, this can't be a romance.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: Not a romance.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever you think this movie is, I don't think it's what's going to be the next hour and a half of our lives.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: I cannot imagine where this is going.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_04: The path is just slunk away instead of saying, um, actually, that's okay in our country.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, why are you all looking at us like that?
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_04: Except France.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: I should say it is a good movie.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's just not what's not appropriate for the situation in which it was uh watched.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_04: I like it.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_04: I've been waiting for Carrie Mulligan to get her Oscar ever since.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_04: At number four is where I would rank the hurtlocker.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_04: Number three, up, in which an elderly widower flies his house to South America to honor his dead wife, accidentally takes a boy scout along for the ride, and learns lessons about both letting go and not meeting your heroes.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: And Doug.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: Doug is there.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: And Kevin's a girl.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Claire, you didn't shady talk at all.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm impressed.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I kept it really, really tight in there because Up is one of my favorite movies.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: I cry every time.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I laugh.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: The score is impeccable.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Up is gold.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_04: At number two, Inglorious Bastards, in which Quentin Tarantino debuts his historical revenge trilogy, writing historical wrongs through cinematic ultraviolence.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_04: It was marketed as an action comedy starring Brad Pitt.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_04: Turned out to actually be a tense series of cat and mouse games focused on two utterly different characters.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but all I watch now is Brad Pitt movies when I'm not watching movies for this podcast.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: And guess how I feel about this one?
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: Good, because it's about World War II.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yep and they stomp Hitler in the face.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_04: I don't like Quentin Tarotino, so and number one I would rank up in the air, in which George Clooney flies from place to place overseeing mass layoffs and begins to be concerned that constant travel for a job that doesn't reward human connections has isolated him a little too much.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_04: This is where I learned that Anna Kendrick is delightful.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Accurate.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I felt the same way about travel, George Clooney.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: So we're on the same page.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_04: But the other side of our dueling exes, James Cameron had just spent 13 years figuring out how to follow up the biggest movie in history by making a second biggest movie in history.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_04: So Kevin, take us to Pandora.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, Avatar is an animated fantasy series set in the world divided into four nations of water, earth, fire, and air, each inhabited by people who can manipulate or bend their native element.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: The story follows Aang, a young airbender and the last surviving member of his people, who is also the Avatar, the only person capable of mastering all four elements and maintaining balance in the world.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: After being frozen in ice for a hundred years, Aang awakens to find the Fire Nation waging a ruthless war for domination.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, buddy.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: We all watch the same movie, right?
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the thing about that is I know you didn't watch the movie.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_04: Which would mean you watched a terrible M.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_04: Night Chiamalod movie, which would be punishment enough.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh sorry, I scroll, I scrolled further down in my notes.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um Avatar is a science fiction epic set in the mid-22nd century on Pandora, a lush moon inhabited by the Navi, a humanoid blue cat species living in harmony with nature and the catalyst for thousands of gigantes kinks.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: The story follows everyone's favorite Jai Courtney, Sam Worthington, uh, as Jake Sully, a paraplegic former marine who was sent to Pandora to operate an Avatar, a genetically engineered uh body of the Navi, which he controls remotely, which is not weird to the Navi, I guess.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: As part of a mission to help humans extract a valuable mineral called unobtainium, because of how hard it is to find.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_02: As Jake will integrate with the Navi and fall in love with the warrior Natiri, there we go.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: Natiri, which is Zoe Saladinio's first foray into the primary color spectrum, he begins to question his loyalty to the human, military, industrial complex, exploiting the planets incre exploiting the planet incredibly poorly.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: Where will Jake side in this battle between technology and nature?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, who knows?
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_04: Lot of suspense on this one.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: Will he side with the comically benevolent native people or the comically evil military?
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_04: I you can act nice to Jake Shelley all you like.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_04: I know you're Ike Clayton from Tombstone, and you have facial scars, which is how Hollywood tells us you can't be trusted.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's true.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm uh I'm gonna take another uh crack at that joke of the mill in there because I could not decide which one I like better, so I'm gonna say uh the story follows everyone's second favorite Ewan McGregor, Sam Worthington, as Jake Sully.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Also great.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: Lovely.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_04: Given the generically handsome male leads Hollywood was pushing between 2005 and 2012, everyone's favorite Jai Courtney, Sam Worthington, tickles me so hard.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_04: And is so much nicer a comparison than when Claire compared the Hurt Locker to Super Babies, which might or Baby Geniuses, which might be the meanest thing anyone has said about a movie in this entire movie.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: Super Babies was, I think, the second movie.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_04: It was the worst movie called Baby Geniuses, yes.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we were all bamboozled by the special effects, correct?
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: When this movie came out, we were bamboozled as boring as shit.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: I fell asleep like three times.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: Bamboozle, I think at the time people were very critical of it as being like, well, this is like it's not a novel storyline.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's all so many jokes about it.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's dances with wolves, it's fern gully, it's poca huntis, like just acting it out with your Thundercats and Robotech action fakers.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: But it was super hype because it is James Cameron, and James Cameron is just the pro if uh if James Cameron didn't get into film, he would be like the Silicone Valley like tech boy.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but because he got into film, he's like, yeah, he he really pushed forward this full idea of uh this heavy CGI.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: I remember there's something weird about how it was shot where it's like it's not shot on cameras.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because it was filmed for 3D.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like it was filmed in 3D using special 3D cameras, like of the like revolutionary cameras of the time.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was well, it's also just because of how the techno the tech that they did for making all the Navi and making the world it was they because the actors were uh acting, but it was there was something weird about it which never really got very well explained because I'm sure it was highly technical, and that's not always exciting to just put out to an audience.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: But this is the reason why we for the 2010s so many 3D movies came out.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, this is the reason why.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: It brought 3D back so big.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like Spy Kids tried, James Cameron succeeded.
• 53:58
  unknown: Yes.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: I I think we can acknowledge like how land breaking this movie is, and also acknowledge that I fell asleep.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like the they spend so much time on the special effects and being like, here we are in this world, check it out, it's pretty cool, right?
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: And when it's just the nave, it looks great.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_04: When you have humans in there, my commentary has always been you can see every cent of the$200 million they spent creating this world on the screen, and you can also see every cent of the$15 they spent going to Blockbuster to rent dances with wolves to write the script.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's true.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's I think what the m wildest thing is is that I have not watched Avatar since 2009, maybe 2010.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: And you can see how much progress we have made in the creation of digital images.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: By the fact that I remember the time being like absolutely blown away by like the fidel and how they looked.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: And now I'm just kind of like, this is about like a video game like cutscene you would have now.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I said that.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: That it looked like a video game when I was watching it.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_04: I've also often said that I would always see Avatar being displayed at electronic stores to show off how impressive their fancy televisions were, and it always looked like someone had just pulled up the Xbox game of Avatar, which I assumed existed.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: Which now things look a lot better, which is wild kind of.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I never saw this movie in theaters, and I think that's also where I fell down in this movie, because I remember my dad saying it's a movie that should be seen in theaters.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, uh, okay, sure, whatever.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then we watched it when we were in Costa Rica, like for the very first time I remember watching it on DVD in Costa Rica, like on a small little TV, because you're in Costa Rica, why are you watching Avatar?
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: But like that was my first experience with this movie.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think I missed I missed something of it.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like I missed the the thing that catapulted it to where it is.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, where it is is a weird thing to say.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_02: It w with with with where it is, is it took like 15 years, and then we got a sequel, and then there's another sequel coming out in this year, and two and two more.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_02: So like it it was kind of the thing where James Cameron made like he's like this has to be a thing.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: It could it cannot just be Avatar.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: But in that time, in the time between 2009 and the release of The Water One, in that time, they were like, no, Avatar, they kept telling us Avatar was a thing.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I don't think it is.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, I see, and that's sort of I think what I missed was like that, because I also I didn't see it in theaters, I didn't see it in 3D.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: I saw it on like a tiny little TV.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I but that's that's what I mean with like it's wild because it's not it It's not actually a thing.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_02: Avatar cool was like the tech the technology and like that that sort of stuff.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_02: It the fact that like no, we need to continue this very kind of ro I think now it probably is a better story.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, I actually did not see the second one, but at the time it's just like, yeah, it's just kind of like story we seen a whole bunch.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: The avatar technology is cool, but that's kind of I think abandoned after the first one, or it's there in weird ways.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um it was extremely impressive on the big screen in 3D because I did see it in theaters when it opened, because I am that indiscriminate film nerd.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_04: I've also been to the theme parkland at Disney World.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: I've been to that and I really enjoy that.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Pandora in Disney is great.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's a theme park.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_04: Design of the land is really good, and for being a motion simulator ride, the the big ticket ride on a banshee thing is also pretty impressive.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say something weird about this movie.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: That feels like it should be something that is uh true of every movie, but the plot exists for so things can happen.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: Which, as I said, sounds like something that everything happens.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: But at this point when you look any closer to any depth into what's going on, it feels like there's just re it's just reasons to be like, here's a cool dragon bird.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: Here's all these glowing plants, here's this weird spinning Da Vinci lizard.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I agree with you.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_04: That's absolutely what happens.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_04: Number one concern for James Cameron on this franchise is the world.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_04: He is deeply invested in the world of Pandora, and he comes up with a storyline that allows him to exist there.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_04: And I think the second one, which we will get to, does a better job balancing having a story and just vibing for the entire second hour.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_02: Why I cannot figure out why they're cool with Jake Sully.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they are like very quickly very chill with him.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because and the only thing they learn about him is that he's a warrior, and we've never had a warrior before.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, is it would that make you more likely to be like, well, we can't trust the warrior of the of these people who came here?
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_04: I do have some thoughts on that.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, please continue.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_04: First of all, he did get covered in spiritual jellyfish.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: The jellyfish valley was a big point.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_04: This one's impressive.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_04: And also, uh jumping into the colonization of Pandora already in progress means that we can jump to the point where the Navi have basically said, Yeah, the humans make these weird things that look like us.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's just roll with it.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it sucks.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_04: They're tiny and squishy and everything.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm unclear on how aware they are of that.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because they do definitely call them dream walkers.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: But do they know that they make them, or do they think that they're like Well, because like they're they're very betrayed when Jake reveals that he was sent there as a spa, as like as a spy, but he wasn't sent there.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_02: He was found in the forest and then asked to stay.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_02: And they and if they know that he is and they know he's with the sky people or whatever, whatever they they call it, but he doesn't do anything.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like he doesn't actually do anything.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think let's never think about the plot of this movie, because also let's not forget they're on a mining expedition that they need the military for, and then they blow up the tree.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: They blow up home tree because the general man is mad.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, because all the unobtanians beneath the home tree.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then the reason tree.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then the reason they want to destroy the tree of souls, their holy site, is that, and I quote, if we destroy their holy site, we'll blow a hole in their racial memory that they'll never come back.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, wait, so if you destroy your holy site, you you're like, they'll surely never try to reclaim it.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_02: A thought that is proven wrong by the entirety of human history.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no one's ever tried to reclaim their holy site before.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: Never think about the actual plot of this movie, because the plot of this movie is nonsense and everything that they do is unnecessary.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_04: I do have some notes on how mystifying it might seem to think that the everyone on this human expedition thinks that they can 9-11 the Navi and there will be no repercussions for doing it.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_04: But I guess Gen Z already doesn't care about 9-11, and these this is a few generations after that.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_04: Still seems odd that they think we'll just blow up the place where they live, and they'll just go, ah, jeeb, and that'll be that.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I I don't want to get confused by being like, it's not that like because I say they're comically evil, and it's not them being like their whole thing where they're like they don't care about, you know, the essentially the native population.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's the thing we can point to stuff in our own history of, yeah, people clearly like that thought.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's the thought, it's they have this weird idea where it's like if we do this, they won't come back.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, what but you have of course they will.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's because Jake told them so.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing that makes them comically evil, though, is they very explicitly say early in the movie, not that this is the only place where there's unobtainium.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the only large deposit near them.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that is correct.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like once they- They could go somewhere else on the planet, I'm sure.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: But this is near them.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: It would cost too much.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: It would cost too much to go anywhere else.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what makes them cartoonish.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_04: We find out when they go other places, it's not better.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the balance between I think actually having both the military with Quaritch, Quidditch.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: Quaritch.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_02: Quaritch.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um and uh the uh man.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: What's the act?
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: The guy who plays the skeezy uh corporate guy.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_02: Giovanni Rubisi who's Giovanni Rubisi.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_04: I love his hand.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because he's selfish.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, it's not subtle.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing is subtle in the state.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: Having both of them there is very important because you can kind of see that clearly, clearly, Corch's thing is that he wants to smite these dirty indigenous people from space, and Selfridge is like, well, we're already here and it will cost a lot.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_02: So you kind of get the whole like mix between the corporate side and also the military side, and both these two people just kind of hyping each other up.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, to if I can tile back to why they like Jake Sully, in the words of uh Lao Zhu, a bull is most useful when it was empty, and Jake Sully comes fully admitting that he's a dumb dumb who knows nothing.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas I think the primary relations with humans in avatar suits is with the scientists who come in just assuming that they know everything and are trying to learn, but also think that they're smarter than the Navi.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_04: In a more benign way than Quarch thinks he's smarter than Navi because they haven't invented gunpowder.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: You you are correct.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: He is the just unabashedly the dumbest man alive.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: Which is a delight.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: Big dumb guy is one of my favorite tropes, as we know.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: I also love that he gets sucked into this whole thing because his twin brother was mugged to death.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like his twin brother got mugged, and he they're like, D'accord.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's is the backstory you come up with to explain why everything happens.
• 1:04:57
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: The things in the plot happen so things can happen.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_02: So things oh, specific things can happen.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_04: We need a blank slate of a man to just have things happen to him for the first half of this movie so that the second half movie he can be the magical white man who's better at the native population's ancient traditions than they ever were.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's okay because he wears their flesh.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and he's he wears their flesh.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's also bigger than their flesh.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's he's beefier than all of them because I'm sorry, the Navi are giving some people body image issues.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: They are slim, slim people.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: But he's beefy.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_04: They are built like triangles, yes.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they are.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_04: If you notice, the human ones also have more fingers.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: Which is cool.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, that is a cool touch, James Cameron.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_01: You do great.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_02: Though it though it shows this.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I I quite enjoy that they do for a movie that's very, very much just kind of says what it does.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: They have a few things where I'm like, yeah, there's definitely stuff here that you you aren't explaining.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think in a good way.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: Clearly, there was some sort of breakdown with Grace and Sigorni Weaver and the Navi, so that they she's not she's not able to be integrated with them anymore.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_02: So they've been there for you, you get this idea, they've been there for a while, and there's all these breakdowns.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: How the Avatar program exists once again just proves how completely idiotic humans are in this.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: But they're like, you know what this species will like if we wear their skin, but in an uncanny valley kind of way, because we'll have more fingers.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it'll be wrong.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_01: We will also wear clothing, not the clothing we go into the simulation with, different clothing.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we we aren't actually trying, we're not trying to spy on them or integrate in their society.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_02: We're trying to make them feel comfortable by being the haunting phantasms of themselves.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_02: When they look at us, they'll be like, you are like me, but not like me.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_02: And that'll make them feel at ease.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_02: Not a terrifying monstrosity.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: We will teach them English.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: The language that everybody must learn.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_01: English.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean I'm really we we we teach them, they teach them what other language they speak, whatever language we hear.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows if it's actually English, because we don't hear any other languages.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_04: We do hear Navi at times, but they need to know some English so that somebody can talk to Jake Sully, and we don't need to spend a lot of time on them.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_04: We don't need to have Mary MacDonnell as a child to grow up amongst the Navi who can now bridge the language key barrier.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, we we don't have time for science.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think the word for wake up is wakey wakey.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_02: Also, she does when Natiri's father gets stabbed by a tree and she's trying to wake him up.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_02: I I think at one point she says wakey wakey, which is a is a pretty jarring moment in a very emotional sequence.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: Are they speaking Simlish?
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, they they actually have a language.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_02: They the the elect the in the invention of the Navi language was going on for like years before the movie started being made.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_02: So they created a language for James Cameron.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_04: I absolutely believe James Cameron paid a guy to invent a language while he was figuring out the tech.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because he doesn't have time for the language or the plot.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: He just has time for the tech.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, he's splitting his time between diving to the bottom of the ocean and thinking about Pandora.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_04: It's many things, but he's not J.R.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_04: Tolkien.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_04: He's not just going to make up languages, invent a world for them to exist in, and then write four books set in that that world.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: But he did write this movie.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_04: He did write this movie.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_04: He got some help with the sequels, which is why I think the second one balances blot and just vibes a little better.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_04: But guess we'll find out if anyone agrees with me in 13 episodes.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_01: I would like to talk about some casting.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because I would like to posit the thesis that Sam Worthington is the perfect person for this movie, because he is white bread and milk.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: That is what he is.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_01: So this role was first offered to Matt Damon.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: With a 10% stake in the film's profits.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: But Matt Damon had to make the Born Ultimatum.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he did.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: Now Chris Pratt and Chris Pine both auditioned to Handsome.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: Jake Gyllenhall was supposed to be cast, but he turned it down because he wanted to make the Prince of Persia the Sands of Time.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh of course he did.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then the final three were Channing Tatum, Chris Evans, and Sam Worthington, who was living in his car.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he is the right choice because both Channing Tatum and Chris Evans are too charismatic.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: Too charming.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_01: Not Jake Solly.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, you need a sort of like everyman generic dum-dum.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_04: In short, it needed one of the Jay's Courtney.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_04: But not Jai Courtney.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_04: Too much personality.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_02: Too much personality No, you need you need someone who you who you know would still be acting in 15 years, but not like you can't get him back for the season.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_01: But no, he is also the perfect choice for this because he he plays it in such like a blank slate way where like he goes in and says that he's from the clan Jarhead because he can't think of anything else.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: He knows that Marines are called Jarheads, and is like, that's a word that doesn't sound like English words.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_04: They probably haven't heard it.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: No one said this before.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: No one's clever in this movie.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:10:39
  unknown: No.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_02: My biggest memory of Avatar is the moment where he, you know, gets his bird.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then they're attacked by a dragon.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: And they go, Oh, that's uh no one has ever tamed the dragon.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, okay, so that's well, so when's that happening?
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like an hour or so?
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's the first time I've watched something where I went so clearly.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I see the four, I see the foreshadowing, I see where we're going.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it's not subtle because she lays it out.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_01: She says, My grandfather's father was one of only five.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, oh, so he's gonna be number six.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's gonna do it because he's the white man.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna be number six, right here, right?
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's beefier than the other Navi.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's beefier.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, he's gonna do it.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: His body was uh was genetically made to be the perfect, the perfect Navi.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: Not upsetting at all.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I also do like his only plan for taming the dragon bird is fly higher than it.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_04: And hope it doesn't look up.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the thing he that bird is flying underneath the floating mountains.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_02: People have been higher than that bird before.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_01: So many times.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: But he's the only one who thought I'll be higher than it.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's because when he did his mental connection with the bird, he showed him the grandness of the cosmos and shattered its ego.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Duh.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_02: Every time he mails with something, he shows him the expanse of darkness that surrounds their planet, and they all have their ego shattered.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_04: This is one of two movies I've watched this week where I had to write down a quote from Alien Earth that I think really sums up why the capitalists are so bad at everything they do between this and Robocop, saying it means the space bug is proof of how stupid smart people can be.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_04: Smart enough to build ships capable of space travel, of splitting the atom and decoding the genome, but too stupid to realize you don't bring parasites home with you.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_04: The humans here are smart enough to cross oceans of space and set up a base on a planet unsuited for human life, but too stupid to know if that you blow up their city, they will hit you back.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_04: Smart enough to monetize on emptanium, too stupid to grasp that they don't understand everything about everything, and should maybe listen to the people explaining why these trees are important.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: They also have so much technology and fail to use it at like every turn.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, that's like every turn.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Is they really put this as like a the spirituality of the Navi or something that clearly this man can they cannot understand, except for the fact that Dr.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_02: Grace actually measures it.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_02: She goes, No, there is there is actually a tangible biological link between the roots of this tree and some and something else.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then Giovanni Rabisi just goes, Well, I don't get this magic stuff.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's like she didn't explain magic, she explained science.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like literal science.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_02: She literally explained science to you.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_02: She told you your your stuff in your all of your like devices are are affected by this whole like flux field thing.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like she she described tangible things to you.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Don't don't act like she said magic.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_01: But Kevin, she's a woman.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll just bring it back to Selim from Slum Talk Millionaire.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_04: Anything that Giovanni Rabishi can't monetize doesn't matter to him.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_04: He can't comprehend how the trees have value if there's no boost to shareholder value attached to it.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_02: But the trees are over the unobtanium.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_02: Trees aren't unobtanium.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Unoptanium below trees.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_02: Trees above unobtanium, not unobtanium.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_04: Move tree, get unobtanium.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_04: Smart enough to build robotic exoskeletons to colonize a planet too stupid to come up with a better name than unobtanium.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_04: May as well have been called McGuffanite.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_02: I am going to give them a break at Uptanium, because when you look at the bottom of the periodic table, you got things like Californium, Europeum.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_04: We do start running out of names for these things.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, at a certain point, they're just like, I don't know, Americanium.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_01: But isn't unobtanium from something else?
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: They they never explain it.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh one of those generic sci-fi terms like whirl-gig or McGuffin or Yeah, it is it is a term that's been used in other sci-fi things to just sort of be like, it is well, the issue is that it's supposed to be still be used for we do not know what this is, but they do know what it is.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um but they've decided to keep the name unobtainium.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because it also has a value, a very high value value.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's very valuable for stuff on the earth that we will not explain what it does.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think the earliest uses of it was just to sort of be like a term where it's like we like this substance does not exist.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_02: If it did exist, we would call it unobtainium, and it would allow us to do this.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_02: But it doesn't exist.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_02: But now it does exist, but we're still gonna call it unobtavium because I I think it would have been much better if the corporate guy had a very like like whatever the name, like I don't they don't have really have a name.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like like it's a mi it it is a like a like the research, not research, the re the resource recovery department or something like that.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_02: If it had a name that was more like this, like you know, their company is I don't know, Space Fair, so that's called Space Farium.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like that would be kind of cool because it's like, yeah, you named it because you're a weird corporate guy who's like, well, we gotta be able to name this.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_02: If we name it, we can sell it.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the day, that's not actually what's important.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: So they just they just gloss over it.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, eh, that's that's the bad guy plot line.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_01: But it's bad guy plot line.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_02: But glare is the catalyst for the reason the movie exists.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_01: It should be also the bad guy plot line.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: So they're gonna put it over there for a while.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's the thing about McGuffins.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody actually cares what they're for, they're just there.
• 1:17:11
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but but but usually the McGuffin is something simpler like a briefcase.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, well, I know what a briefcase is.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, James Cameron is just really uninvested in what Earth is doing with things.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they do come up with the reason for why the second unobtainium in Way of Water is important, which we'll get to later.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they do briefly say that Earth has used up all of its green.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Earth is so Earth is a barren wasteland, from what what we gather, what we're led to believe is Earth is a barren wasteland, and that's why they are doing this to other planets.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Which does kind of make it a bit more unfortunate when it's just like, well then you guys leave.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, but if Earth truly is like absolutely un nearly uninhabitable, then you you just sort of being like, Well, I get to stay here though.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_02: I get to stay.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: You leave, I stay, I get the place.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_02: And also the nicer scientists.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because once again, good guys, bad guys, and Michelle Rodriguez for family.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_01: For family, everybody.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Because James Cavard really wanted to work with Michelle Rodriguez.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Don't get me wrong.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_02: She likes does like good things in the in this film.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_02: She does feel inconsequent.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, she doesn't fit into the story.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: She does nothing.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe if she'd taken out a couple more of the ships before she got blown up herself, would have felt like she contributed more, other than she just was their pilot to escape science jail.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_02: If there was like a secondary antagonist that wasn't the uh not Quarch, that wasn't Quaric or Selfridge.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Selfridge doesn't count.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_02: But if there's like a secondary one that she could take down, they'd be like, Yeah, she did that.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: She took down the big guy.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that angry, maybe that angry man who called Sully Meals on Wheels.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's a weird one.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: What was they're weird.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_04: They're weird so many He's in a wheelchair insults before they got off or even made it into the base for the first time.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_01: And like so many.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_02: They couldn't comprehend a man in a wheelchair.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh and like they're on a space base where they know that they translate people's consciousness into avatars of the native species.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_02: Norm's also there.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's also clearly non-science people going, not non-military people going there.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_02: And they're just very weird.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Literally brought on board because his brother is not a military person.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_01: His brother was a scientist.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_01: He just happened to have been in the military.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_01: But he's there because his brother was shanked or shot.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_02: His brother was mugged.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and everyone's really angry about it.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_02: The reason they sent him, as far as I could tell, is because I did not want to have wasted money.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the only reason.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they have the avatar built.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_02: We have the avatar.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: It probably takes a while to grow one of those.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_02: We have the chair.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we have the seat on the flight.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, get in there.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_01: And they do they do assume that he will be like his twin brother.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_01: They assume that he is smart and capable, but is in the military instead of in science.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_01: And their assumption is wrong.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like a reasonable assumption for two guys who share DNA.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he's almost annoyingly capable in specific ways.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's so weird to me to me that like like there's so many interesting stuff you could do there with the fact they did just kind of be like, well, we we don't want to waste this avatar.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like he he clearly is just sort of a pawn in this.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_02: And yet that's not really even utilized.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like you almost could see that it's like, oh, this way they get a military person on the inside of the whole like avatar program, but it doesn't seem like that comes up as a thought until he's already arrived there, and then Steven Lang's Quaditch, Quad, uh, whatever his name is, he uh figure he's like, this is a good idea, we'll have this guy tell us about things, and then he tells him nothing.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_04: If Platoon teaches us anything, it's that if you're in a jungle war, you give the new guy a couple weeks before you get attached.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Accurate.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_02: Also, I like how so I the the Navi have to understand the whole thing, right?
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Or else they just think that these people that Jake is a heavy sleeper.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Cause he's there during the day.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like he's back during the day.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_01: And he he just leaves his corpse there.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's fine.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Flops down.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_02: Which which is like yeah, there's a time where they wake up and she's pulling along and shouting at him.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_02: But it's also just when he goes to sleep in his like bunk and then it's what is he supposed to like start like learning their ways in the morning.
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_02: What what do they think?
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, he's just he's breathing and his heart is beating.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_02: But I guess we just let him go for a while.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_04: Nothing in the world wakes him up until he's ready to be awake.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, the the tense moment where he has breakfast and a big giant machine is about to roll them over.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Blue Hip is about to get run down by a bulldozer.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I have another thing to confess.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen this movie once, at least.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_01: And like, I exist in the world.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know about Disney.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know about Pandora Land.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_01: I still, this entire movie was like, but they're centaurs, though.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I kept thinking they would have horsebacks.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_01: They don't.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_01: They're not centaurs.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_01: They've never been centaurs.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're cats.
• 1:23:01
  unknown: They're cat.
• 1:23:02
  unknown: They're cats.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I kept thinking.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe Avatar Four.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_01: I kept thinking they'd be centaurs.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: They're cats.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_01: It makes no sense.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_02: They ride on horses.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but they're centaurs.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, we meet the horse girls of Pandora at the climax of this movie.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, they're a totally different kick.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I also like how this, like the forest Navi ride on the banshees, they ride on the horses that they just call horses, even though they're not horses.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the closest thing, I guess.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_01: But then when they are like gathering everybody together, they go to the different parts of the world and gather the people that like specialize in this.
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like they get the riders of Rohan to come to them, but they also do all this.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, it's fine.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Us forest Navi, we do everything.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the they don't go to the far corners of the world as we now know.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_04: They go to the far corners of the forest areas.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because people who are within a day's ride, because we have two movies following this that introduce entirely new tribes of Navi.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_04: We meet the water Navi for the first time in Way of Water, and the upcoming movie is the one where he really seems to be s deliberately screwing with last airbender fans.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_04: Just to go back to the original synopsis, everyone's like, wait, you're saying the third avatar introduces the Fire Nation?
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_02: And they're the bad ones.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Now you you just have to have to question are these the earth or the air?
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, what are they?
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're Earth, right?
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I think they're Earth.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think the answer is They're Earth because they go to the the water people.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then they go to the Sky People.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_02: They go to the Skype?
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_02: I've never seen the second one.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because those are the ones that that ride on the Banshees.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_02: But they ride on the Banshees as well.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean they uh the Earth people do everything.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's the equivalent of that they that in this movie they ride off to like gather all the clans from Alberta and then in the next movie they go to like BC.
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Keep in mind, it is a this is a planet, and these and like the Navi don't have aggressive travel technology.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's very true.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_04: They can go as far as one of their banshees or horse things can go in a date.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_04: They don't have six months to do a round trip journey to see if either the air tribe or the mole tribe, whatever the fourth movie introduces to be the next element, wants to get a piece of this.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_04: I wonder if there's gonna be a third unobtainium in the next movie, too.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well you gotta well, you gotta have something to make the plot.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_02: The plot needs to happen, so things can happen.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_04: The plot does need to happen so that things can occur.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Or else how will they make the next update to Pandora Land?
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, as far as I know, there still isn't a space whale exhibition at World of Pandora.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_04: So that's just a failure on Disney's part.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_04: Although maybe that's what they're bulldozing Dinosaur Land for.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_02: More space whales.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_04: My other final note is that we don't know exactly what happens to Selfridge unless there's some official tie-in comic I've never heard of.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_04: But since he's only in cameo and way of water, I do think it's safe to assume that if he didn't get fired for botching this operation, he definitely got demoted.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Sadly, not because they think what he did was ethically wrong, just because it wasn't successful.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, he didn't get the unobtainium.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, he didn't get the money.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_01: This makes sense.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_02: It remained to be unobtained.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_04: He lost millions of dollars, hundreds of millions, or this being far in the future, probably downward trillions, of of resources and material, and he got Jack Diddley for it.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_02: I assume that he found himself a Navi girlfriend, and that has taught him that other people are human beings because he found himself because he's just like y yes, blue mommy.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_04: Selfridge does seem like he'd like to be stepdog.
• 1:27:35
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_04: Selfridge Selfridge has websites.
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:27:39
  SPEAKER_01: He he also he has to be in the second one because he said when he was leaving, this isn't over.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_01: So naturally, they have to put him in a second movie because he said it with his mouth.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_04: He's in it very briefly.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_04: He's in like a video that was recorded.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_04: We'll get to it.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_04: We'll get to it in thirteen episodes.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_04: You'll see.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I will once again be saying this looked absolutely amazing on a big screen, but you're watching it on Disney Plus on your phone on your way back from Quebec.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_04: Suffice to say, this was this impressed people enough with its technological achievements that it was nominated for nine Oscars and it won three art direction, cinematography, and visual effects.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_04: No big surprises there.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_04: But it also won the Golden Globe for best drama.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_02: I guess there are other categories, so I don't know where else you put it.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_04: Look, we are three years, four years away from observing what level of dramatic motion picture is willing to call itself a comedy not to compete with Twelve Years of Slave.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_04: Elsewhere in our top ten, domestically, at number two, a young man must come of age, grow past his fear of intimacy, and learn to be a better partner to his girlfriend.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_04: And also help Optimus Prime defeat a legendary Decepticon in Transformers Revenge of the Fallen.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, yes, yes, good.
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_04: What for Revenge of the Fallen.
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_04: Number three, the pantheon of most spoiled endings, including Luke Skywalker's Parentage and the key ingredient of Soylent Green, is joined a little more maliciously than usual as Snape kills Dumbledore and Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_01: That was mean.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like at the time, doing that was unkind.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yelling it at people lined up to buy the books, that's mean.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's you can have your own feelings about J.K.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Rowling.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yelling up to line it to yell at people who bought who are watching the movie is weird because it's like they read the books.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_04: This was two thousand This was in the 2000s.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_04: No one was doing it because J.K.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_04: Rowling is a is an absolute ghoul of a human being.
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_04: They were doing it because they didn't like potter heads.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, but there's people who are saying that they did it back then because they always if you did know you should have stopped her.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: You had the power.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_02: They're like that.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that was my plan the whole time.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I was doing.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_04: Number four, Team Jacob has their moment in the sun when Edward does a runner from Bella in the Twilight Sega, New Moon.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_04: Number five, up, despite its announcement causing a drop in Pixar's stock price because it seemed harder to merchandise than cars.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_01: It is harder to merchandise, but it's so good.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_04: These kids don't want toys of an old man.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody's saying up isn't the better movie.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's just that stockholders looked at it and went, Well, how are you gonna sell toys of an old old man voiced by N.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's a dog?
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no.
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Doug.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_04: What about Doug?
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't clear right away that there would be an adorable talking dog and a legion of meaner talking dogs.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but then they see squirrels.
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_04: At number six, three unlikely companions must piece together an eventful night in Las Vegas in order to find a missing groom in the hangover.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_02: I will also help that Optimus Prime defeat the Decepticons.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_01: That movie sucks.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Come at me, Internet.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_04: Every time you say that, Todd Phillips makes another Joker movie.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_02: Can't do comedy anymore, so I have to do the Joker.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_04: I have to be the Joker because people didn't want the Hangover form.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Look, uh a good thing came with that movie, and it's the song about them being the three best friends that anyone could have.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a good song.
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's all.
• 1:31:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's the movie.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_04: And any desire I have to defend the hangover as a movie was killed within me by watching the hangover part two.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_02: You mean the related to the hangover again?
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:31:54
  SPEAKER_04: Only worse somehow.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_04: And at number seven, seven years after the inauspicious ending of the next generation crew at Nemesis, Paramount attempts a full reboot with a new take on the original Enterprise crew in Star Trek.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, good movie.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_01: It is a good movie.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_02: They decided they decided they don't want to do any more because unfortunately Edson.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was sad.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure that's an element of why we're not getting a Star Trek 4 with that cast.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know that it's the only one, but it's probably a big part.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Honestly, those three names are just also just kind of fine, isn't it?
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you don't need more.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was perfect.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_02: It was so good.
• 1:32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Khan was the Wrath of Khan was a little bit weird with the whole marketing within it as well, because they're like, it's not Wrath of Khan, but it's kind of Wrath of Khan.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:32:42
  SPEAKER_02: But also, Khan is uh, you know, this white Yeah.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like, we all know what you're doing, JJ.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_04: You don't have to be a secret of but anyway.
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, JJ loves loves this mystery box.
• 1:32:53
  unknown: He does.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like, I just want the audience to be surprised by something now and again.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_04: And first of all, we were on to you, and second of all, the reveal only is a reveal to the audience.
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_04: And that's not a good reveal.
• 1:33:07
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_02: My name is Con.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_04: Who?
• 1:33:11
  unknown: What?
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_04: That said, if Star Trek into Darkness has a thousand fans, I'm one of them.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_04: If it has one, it's me.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_04: And if it has none, I'm hiding in the tall grass and I'm coming for you.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's okay, Dan.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_01: I love, I love the new Star Trek's.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Kevin and I love Star Trek enough that we went to a Star Cut Star Trek podcast in Edmonton for his birthday one year.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_04: But that said, the third one is the best one.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_04: Number eight is the blind side, because American audiences do like that slop.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_01: They do, it's their favorite.
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_02: It makes them feel uh better about history.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes white women like black men.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the movie says.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because they did a good thing.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_02: It fixed racism.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_04: Look how much a southern white woman loves black people.
• 1:34:01
  SPEAKER_02: Now there's no more racism.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_04: She fixed it.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_02: Blind side.
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Sandra Bullock.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Extra job Sandra Bullock.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Good job.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's not her fault.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_01: She didn't do it in Crash.
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_01: So this is her redeeming herself.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, we also fix racism in the crash.
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a talking woman.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_02: We don't know what keeps happening.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_02: We don't know what keeps happening, but we have to keep fixing racism.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's like saving Garrett on community.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_04: It never takes.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_04: Number nine, a young boy band has to attend high school and encounters a rival girl group in Alvin and the Chipmunks, deep dramatic sigh, the squeakel.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that's a movie.
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_02: Talking to someone with Alp but Alvin the Chipmunks the other day because they're like, why are they still making Alvin and the Chipmunks movies?
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because they have the license for Alvin and the Chipmunks.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_01: And kids still love it.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_02: They do.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, because because they're pay because it's pre-vetted, essentially.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_02: Their parents go like, well, I rem I know who Alvin and the Chipmunks are.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_02: I guess.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll do that.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the parents think this is fine to show my kids.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's two of them in a row have made the top ten at the box office.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_04: Clearly they make some.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Look, they're cute.
• 1:35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I have watched the new Alvin the Chipmunkses.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_01: They're cute.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_01: I like them.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_01: I believe it.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_04: The trailer for the first one had a scene where Alvin pretended to eat his brother's poop in order to convince the their owner it was a raisin, and I had lost.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_04: I have bad news for you.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_04: He's not their owner.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's their dad.
• 1:35:30
  SPEAKER_04: And their manager.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Dave is their dad manager.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Their dadager.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_04: Potato Patado.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Dadager, yes.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Not as good as Momager.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not, but it's it's there.
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's what Dave is.
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_04: And at number 10, Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_04: and Jude Law headline Guy Richie More action-packed, two-fisted take on the classic Victorian detective in Sherlock Holmes, based on the novel Scandal in Bohemia by Doyle.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Man, it's not Sherlock Holmes, but boy, is it a good movie.
• 1:36:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's fun.
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:36:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good time.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Guy Richie knows how to make scenes from a movie happen.
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_02: She sure does.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_02: They look good.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_02: He knows how to make British people be British, and not British people also sometimes be British.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he'll every now and then put an explosion in there.
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_04: I rewatched a year ago because my niece is going through a Sherlock Holmes kick and it happened to be next on the list.
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not sure if she preferred that one to the zero effect.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_04: I prefer the zero effect, but you know, that's me.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_04: Internationally, the blind side, the chipmunks, and surprisingly, Star Trek don't make it to the international top ten.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't actually fully surprise me.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_04: Harry Potter's unsurprisingly rides the British bump to number two.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_04: Not in the top ten domestically.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_04: Number three internationally.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_04: The prehistoric pals encounter one of those good old secret underground worlds that time forgot in Ice Age, Dawn of the Dinosaurs.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Huh.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_02: I love the trend of hollow earth movies that came out for a while.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm really learning how much the Ice Age movies blew up overseas.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_04: Very popular.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_04: Transformers, Revenge of the Fallen slips to number four.
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_04: Number five, a misinterpretation of how my calendars worked is turned into a global disaster epic in 2010.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was a fun movie.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's dumb, but it's fun.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_01: It is dumb, but but you're here for it.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_04: You drive to test Limo.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_04: Probably lost a little impact watching it on a plane.
• 1:37:40
  SPEAKER_04: Number six is up.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_04: Number seven, Twilight New Moon.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_04: Sherlock Holmes is at number eight.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_04: Didn't get the biggest British bump because I think they could tell this was pretty Hollywood.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's not Sherlock Holmes.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_02: Get out of here.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_04: At number nine, the first Robert Langdon book becomes the second movie as Tom Hanks must solve a fresh batch of Renaissance puzzles to save the Vatican in Angels and Demons.
• 1:38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_04: Reconcile those switching order with just a quick moment of him saying, I wasn't under the impression I was particularly loved at the Vatican right now.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_04: But you're what we have.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_04: And the hangover clings in at number 10.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 1:38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I know you said that movie sucks.
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_01: I thought you said that baby sucks.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_01: Also, baby geniuses of that movie.
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_01: But this is a baby in the hangover.
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Also, that baby in the hangover does suck.
• 1:38:41
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing that doesn't suck is a tiger.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_01: The tiger doesn't suck.
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_01: But the tiger is being coerced because he's a pet and he shouldn't be a pet.
• 1:38:50
  SPEAKER_01: So Fox gone.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_04: The one thing I do like about that movie is Zach Galifanakis talking about filming the scene where Mike Tyson punches him in the face.
• 1:39:00
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, he's gonna miss his mark.
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_04: He's gonna miss his mark, and he's actually gonna punch me and I'm gonna die.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_04: That's this is how I die filming this moment.
• 1:39:07
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a legitimate fear.
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_01: Mike Tyson, wild card.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_01: You don't know what he's gonna do.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Anything anytime.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_04: And Zach Galifanakis knows he is not a man who can take a punch to the face for Mike Tyson.
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, not many people can.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like even boxers and fighters of the time.
• 1:39:26
  SPEAKER_01: The cast of that movie, The Hangover, is so good.
• 1:39:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a good cast.
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_04: I know for such a stupid movie.
• 1:39:32
  SPEAKER_04: I like Bradley Cooper a lot, despite him being an American sniper and directing Maestro.
• 1:39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Bradley Cooper will do anything, so he's been in a lot of bad movies.
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_04: He will.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_04: He will do a lot of things.
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_01: But he's also a raccoon.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_01: He is.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_04: He is a raccoon.
• 1:39:47
  SPEAKER_01: And he's in a star is born.
• 1:39:49
  SPEAKER_02: And he was in Silverlining's playbook.
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:39:51
  SPEAKER_01: He was.
• 1:39:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's also very attractive.
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_01: He is.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Bradley Cooper in the A-Team, especially.
• 1:39:57
  SPEAKER_04: Well, there's a reason he's the face man, isn't he?
• 1:40:00
  SPEAKER_04: I also really like the A-Team.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm going to be a movie.
• 1:40:03
  SPEAKER_02: A movie you'll never have the chance to talk about.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, we will never talk about it, but it's a great movie, and I enjoyed it.
• 1:40:10
  SPEAKER_02: It knows exactly how dumb it is, and it's having fun with that.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's because the original A-Team knew how dumb it was.
• 1:40:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like that was the point of the movie.
• 1:40:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's so dumb, and it's series.
• 1:40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Everything you want it to be.
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_04: Are they trying to shoot down the drone?
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:40:31
  SPEAKER_04: They're trying to fly the tank.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me that movie never won uh best picture or uh top of the box office.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_02: No?
• 1:40:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, never mind.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_02: Somehow no.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's a mystery.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:40:46
  SPEAKER_04: What year did that come out?
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_04: This is not me stalling because I forgot to write it.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_04: Quentin.
• 1:40:50
  SPEAKER_02: Rampage Jackson.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_02: Liam Neeson.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Charlton Copey is, I think, his name.
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_02: The guy in front of the show.
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_04: I know exactly which year it didn't win Best Picture, and I do like it more than the movie that did win Best Picture by a substantial margin.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_02: Got it.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_02: Cut the entire conversation.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Put this in that episode.
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'll just start randomly talking about the A-Team movie instead.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_04: It'll be fun.
• 1:41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone will like it.
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_04: That was time I could have figured out what my pairing for this year is.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'm just going with a fishbowl cocktail.
• 1:41:30
  SPEAKER_04: Anyone that's colored blue.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_04: I just need it to be blue and last three hours.
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I drank another one of those rum cocktails that are a 12.5%, which is maybe why I fell asleep during Avatar several times.
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_01: And also maybe during uh Hurt Locker several times.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Who can say?
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_01: The movies were good.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the problem.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_01: The blue drink was the problem.
• 1:41:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's blue drink, that's what you go for for these movies.
• 1:41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Just it's like purple drink, but just blue is a flavor.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_04: Blue milk and bailey's.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_02: I recommend you uh you pair this with linking your mind with an extraterrestrial and uh shattering it across the cosmos.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_02: Perfection.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_02: I want you to just turn your brain into the sprinkles in the stars.
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_04: Terms of Academy versus audience, I have seen Avatar three times now, and every time at the 100-minute mark I have gone, son of a bitch, there's an hour left.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh god.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_04: But he already had sex with the blue mommy.
• 1:42:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like in theaters, I was like, what a satisfying conclusion this is.
• 1:42:41
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, wait, he never bonded with the dragon.
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, god damn it.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_04: We're not done.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I Which is to say I I vote Hurt Locker.
• 1:42:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, Hurt Locker.
• 1:42:57
  SPEAKER_02: I between these two, I'll give it Hurt Locker.
• 1:43:00
  SPEAKER_01: I found them both boring, which surprised me that Avatar was boring.
• 1:43:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess I am on the team of Avatar?
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_01: I too am Avatar, but that's no surprise because we all know my feelings on the Hurt Locker and how it compares to baby geniuses.
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you both you both would have preferred if it was in World War II.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_01: I have a favorite war.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_04: If Sam Worthington were avataring into an Italian.
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_02: Don't put that curse on Sam Worthington.
• 1:43:37
  SPEAKER_02: He's Australian.
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_00: What did he do?
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's not his fault.
• 1:43:40
  SPEAKER_02: Did he ever do?
• 1:43:42
  SPEAKER_02: Not his fault.
• 1:43:43
  SPEAKER_02: He's not.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's not his fault, he's not Ewan McGregor.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_02: He was living in his car.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_02: He sure was.
• 1:43:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he would have loved to have been Ewan McGregor, but he's not.
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's Sam Worthington.
• 1:43:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 1:43:53
  SPEAKER_01: He is a perfectly white bred milk toast man.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you tell me any other movie he's been in that's not the Terminator Salvation series.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I'm about to.
• 1:44:03
  SPEAKER_04: Because if you want to know why he didn't set the world on fire after starring in the biggest hit of all time in 2009, you can find that out by going to Writing Therapy Productions.com, our website, and finding the recovered episode Clashes of Titans, where we do talk about his follow-up movies.
• 1:44:23
  SPEAKER_02: We don't talk about Clash of Titans.
• 1:44:24
  SPEAKER_02: We do talk about Wrath of Titans, but we don't talk about Clash of Titans.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, we covered both, and Wrath of Titans was not a rewarding experience at all.
• 1:44:34
  SPEAKER_02: The most horrifying thing you have to ever remember is those are two different movies.
• 1:44:38
  SPEAKER_02: They did it twice.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_04: We are also Oscar V audience on Threads Blue Sky and Instagram.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_04: I am Dana Forth on all those things.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_04: Occasionally post stuff to Tales from Partsandknown.com, and am Dana Forth on Letterboxd, where you can find out how I rank Avatar amongst not only all the best picture nominees of the 2010s.
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's on Tales from Partsandknown.com because I count this as part of the 2000s.
• 1:45:02
  SPEAKER_04: But you can find how I rank it amongst all the box office champions since 1927.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Aaron.
• 1:45:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm over at flimsyplant.com, or you can catch me some weeks on Off Book with Full Circle Theater Scrappy Magic.
• 1:45:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's the podcast that I edit, and it doesn't sound as good as this one, but you'll still like it.
• 1:45:19
  SPEAKER_01: You will like it, because it's great.
• 1:45:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Claire.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_01: You can find me by following Dan or Aaron.
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Kevin.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_02: You find me uh at Kevin Weir Author on Instagram and other places, and you can check out my books or at KevinWerebooks.com.
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_04: Next time, if you want to learn how to make the Oscar baitiest movie that ever baited an Oscar, Tom Hooper is here to show you.
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_04: And also, what them toys been up to since the mid-90s.
• 1:45:45
  SPEAKER_04: Anyone else miss Woody and Buzz in the gang?
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_04: No, because you like me saw the teaser from Toy Story 5 and are very, very sad.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_04: But let's see how that franchise should have ended in the first of the 2010's attempts to say, this is the end of the franchise.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_04: Please give us your money to see how it definitely conclusively ends.
• 1:46:06
  SPEAKER_04: And until then, we'll see at the ceremony.