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Normally Podcast: Who Killed Spirit Airlines? Plus Democrats’ Coalition Crisis and Fauci Fallout · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on normally, so it was normal,
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Speaker 1: a chance for when the news it's weird.
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Speaker 2: I am America, I'm Carol Marca. How's it going.
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Speaker 1: It's all right. I went camping this weekend and realized
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Speaker 1: very quickly, did you very old? I am? I'm old?
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Speaker 1: I'm old. I can't do that. What am I doing?
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Speaker 2: Are you no longer sleeping on the ground? Years old?
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Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't even on the ground. I had
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Speaker 1: a cot and I still was a mess. Everything hurts,
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Speaker 1: everything hurts. Yeah, full outdoors though. I am camping cursed though,
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Speaker 1: because every time I go the weather is a mess.
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Speaker 1: So this time I went camping in May and it
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Speaker 1: was thirty five degrees overnight.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, we've done it where it was really cold.
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Speaker 2: Me we've barely ever been camping but just the few times.
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Speaker 2: But the last time we did it, it was so
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Speaker 2: cold that my husband, me and the boys like ended
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Speaker 2: up huddling for warm in the middle of the night,
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Speaker 2: and our daughter woke up in the morning, like, how
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Speaker 2: did nobody alert me this? I was freezing all the
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Speaker 2: way over here on my own abandoned me? We did,
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Speaker 2: But you know, my favorite camping trip ever is we
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Speaker 2: got somewhere, we set up a tent. We like hung
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Speaker 2: out all day with our friends. Then it started pouring
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Speaker 2: at night and we were like, you know what, let's
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Speaker 2: go home. We did it like we have been out
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Speaker 2: here all day. This was fantastic, But what about if
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Speaker 2: we just drive home to our warms.
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Speaker 1: The daytime is my favorite part of camping. It's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm off fine, I'm outdoors, it's very pretty. That part
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Speaker 1: was good. But the the gals got some of their
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Speaker 1: camping nights in for their badges and we did the thing.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Alrighty, shall we get to the news?
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Speaker 2: Okay? Yes, Spirit Airlines is no more, and I actually
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Speaker 2: am bummed about it. We talked about it on a
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Speaker 2: previous show. But they flew some routes that only they flew,
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Speaker 2: and you know it's going to be difficult without them.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and I took Spirit from time to time when
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Speaker 1: they had a leg that worked for me. I was
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Speaker 1: not shy about it. It's there's a fight on over
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Speaker 1: who's to blame for the loss of Spirit Airlines. And
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Speaker 1: it had declared bankruptcy. It was working to reorganize. It
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Speaker 1: had been in trouble for some time, and the Biden
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Speaker 1: administration several years ago said no to a merger with
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Speaker 1: Jet Blue on the basis that I don't know, there's
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Speaker 1: not enough airlines for us to choose from if those
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Speaker 1: two discount airlines merge, and right.
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Speaker 2: Their argument was that it would reduce competition, but you know,
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Speaker 2: it has really reduced competition. Spirit Airlines not existing anymore,
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Speaker 2: much less competition. Actually, I feel like the airlines like
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Speaker 2: Jet Blue and Frontier and whatever are very excited, like
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Speaker 2: they're like, we are introducing all these new routes where
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Speaker 2: Spirit used to fly well, and all these people who
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Speaker 2: would never be caught dead on a Spirit Airlines flight
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Speaker 2: are like, are like Trump killed Spirit Airlines.
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Speaker 1: And look, I concede that high jet fuel prices, which
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Speaker 1: are in part driven by Iran war externalities, might have
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Speaker 1: been a death knell or part of it. But this
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Speaker 1: company has been limping around and attempted to right itself
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Speaker 1: several years ago and was told no by the government,
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Speaker 1: Like that's right.
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Speaker 2: They've had repeated bankruptcies before jet fuel was ever in issues.
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Speaker 1: And perhaps had they merged with another airline, they would
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Speaker 1: have been able to absorb a shift in jet fuel prices.
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Speaker 1: Which was their idea when they were pitching the merger.
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Speaker 1: I just I also just why does the government even
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Speaker 1: have a say in whether two free companies can merge?
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Speaker 1: I just have never been on board for that at all.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand why Elizabeth Warren gets to pressure anybody.
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Speaker 2: She pressured the DOJ to block the Jet Blue deal,
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Speaker 2: which again, who is she? Like, She's got no experience
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Speaker 2: at all running anything, and yet she's in charge of
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Speaker 2: urging regulators to say no to the deal. How does
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Speaker 2: this make any sense? And the anti trust stuff in
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Speaker 2: Congress just seems like, again, the airlines that are benefiting
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Speaker 2: from this, how is that not antitrust? How is that
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Speaker 2: not the benefit here that they're all going to have
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Speaker 2: new routes because they've eliminated a branch of their competition.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's just like there should be extraordinary compelling interest
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Speaker 1: of some kind if you're going to stop two companies
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Speaker 1: from merging, because the two companies are just two companies
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Speaker 1: in a free country, and if they want to work together,
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Speaker 1: they should be able to work together. And in this case,
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Speaker 1: I think it would have given spirit a little more runway. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I that was its way out, And here we are.
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Speaker 1: But look, this is part of Democrats sort of living with,
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Speaker 1: particularly liberals like Elizabeth Warren, living with the consequences of
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Speaker 1: the policies that they endorse. Her policy aim explicitly was
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Speaker 1: you will stand alone. You will not be given tools
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Speaker 1: to fix this problem. And then she's like, well, well,
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Speaker 1: well look what you've done, mister Trump. And I reject
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Speaker 1: that you had a large part in this, ma'am, and
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Speaker 1: you must take responsibility for it.
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Speaker 2: She will not, right, And look, you and I were
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Speaker 2: not thrilled that Trump was floating the US government buying
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Speaker 2: a piece of syrup. Right, why would we want to
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Speaker 2: own an airline that isn't making it? I just it
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Speaker 2: makes no sense. But Jet Blue merging with it would
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Speaker 2: have made sense. It would have elevated both airlines. They
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Speaker 2: would have had larger number of customers. It just all
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Speaker 2: around would have been a better move for the two airlines.
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Speaker 2: And I don't understand how this benefits anybody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great. And now you've got many pans
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Speaker 1: to Spirit Airlines that from people who again have probably
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Speaker 1: never sat there but in a Spirit Airlines seat before.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't like it when companies go out of business,
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Speaker 1: But if you cannot survive as a company without being
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Speaker 1: bailed out. That is part of the system, that's part
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Speaker 1: of capitalism. I don't want these people to lose their jobs.
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Speaker 1: I also, as you know, do not want to be
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Speaker 1: in charge of bailing them out, and would have preferred
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Speaker 1: if these two companies could have worked that out between themselves.
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Speaker 2: Right. I get the argument that some people on the
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Speaker 2: right were making about the Trump potential bailout where the
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Speaker 2: government screwed Spirit Airlines over, it should be up to
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Speaker 2: the government to bail them out. I just I hear you.
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Speaker 2: I still didn't think that would be a wise decision,
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Speaker 2: So I'm glad we didn't go that route. But you know,
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Speaker 2: fifteen to seventeen thousand employees are affected by this Spirit
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Speaker 2: Airlines going out of business. People were left stranded. Other
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Speaker 2: airlines stepped in and tried to help, which is noble.
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Speaker 2: You know, you kind of don't expect that kind of
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Speaker 2: behavior from the airlines, but they did a good job.
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Speaker 2: It's sad, and it shows that the left flank of
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is in control, and they're in control
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Speaker 2: in so many ways. We'll talk about Grand Platner in
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Speaker 2: the next segment, but it just the far left is
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. Now it's no longer. Oh, the Democratic
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Speaker 2: Party has a leftist flank. The leftist flank is the party.
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Speaker 1: Well, and we can talk about it even before we
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Speaker 1: get to Platiner in ways that the Democrats sort of
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Speaker 1: have to contend with the policy results and what that
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Speaker 1: means for voters on the ground. We have. One of
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Speaker 1: our favorite segments, of course, is Harry Enton on CNN
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Speaker 1: saying things that pan don't want to hear, and look,
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Speaker 1: Republicans are in no small amount of peril in this
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Speaker 1: midterm year. Yes, saving them is that people still really
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Speaker 1: dislike Democrats and there are a lot of no, there's
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Speaker 1: a handful of Democrats who are in the centrist democrat
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Speaker 1: ish area going like this is a big deal, guys.
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Speaker 1: People really don't like us, and they have not regained ground. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: Democrats are not gaining adherents as Trump loses approval, which
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Speaker 1: is going to blunt what they're able to do in November.
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Speaker 1: Here's Harry Enton explaining how that's happening in one of
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Speaker 1: the most formerly devoted blocks of African American voters.
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Speaker 3: Here he is you we're seeing right now in the
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Speaker 3: numbers as President Trump and the Republican Party are chipping
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Speaker 3: away at the long term advantage that Democrats have had
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Speaker 3: with black voters. With African Americans. You can see it
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Speaker 3: right here. Look Trump's approval among African Americans at this
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Speaker 3: point in term one, he was at twelve percent. You know,
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Speaker 3: he's been losing ground with a lot of people. He's
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Speaker 3: gaining He's gaining ground with African Americans. He's up to
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Speaker 3: sixteen percent at this point. And you say, this isn't
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Speaker 3: that big of a shift, But I will tell you
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Speaker 3: Republicans absolutely love this shift that's going on because Democrats
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Speaker 3: have had such a long term advantage. The fact that
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Speaker 3: he's actually gaining ground versus where he was in term
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Speaker 3: number one, this has major implications for elections down the
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Speaker 3: line because Democrats, especially in a lot of these type races.
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Speaker 3: You talk about places like Georgia, right down on the South,
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Speaker 3: you see this type of movement for Trump actually gaining ground.
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Speaker 3: This could have major ramifications and help put Republicans over
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Speaker 3: the top and a number of Southern places in the
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Speaker 3: midterm elections.
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Speaker 1: So do you see this as part of a bigger trend?
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Speaker 3: I see this as absolutely part of a bigger trend.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's Republican Party is absolutely gaining ground, not just
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Speaker 3: him gaining in terms of his approval rating, but look
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Speaker 3: at the party I d margin, Kate, because this to
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Speaker 3: me was absolutely stunning. Look at this party ID margin
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Speaker 3: among African Americans. At this point in Trump term, number one,
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Speaker 3: Democrats had a sixty three point advantage. That is absolutely
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Speaker 3: fall and look at where it is now, a double
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Speaker 3: digit shift away. Democrats, of course still have the advantage,
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Speaker 3: but it's a twelve point shift to the Republican Party.
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Speaker 3: And I look back through GALLUS records they sent me
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Speaker 3: their records, and this, in fact lead that Democrats have
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Speaker 3: is actually smaller than any lead from two thousand and
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Speaker 3: six to twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 2: I mean that's something.
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Speaker 1: Those numbers are low, obviously, twelve and sixteen percent, those
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Speaker 1: numbers are low. The numbers of African Americans who do
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Speaker 1: vote Republican are relatively low. But anytime you see a
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Speaker 1: double digit shift, that is danger for a coalition. I
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Speaker 1: think some of the areas where you see this on
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Speaker 1: issues based stuff is on education, where Democrats had a
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Speaker 1: generation's long twenty plus point lead over Republicans, and during
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Speaker 1: COVID it was like back down, to back down to
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Speaker 1: even if not, if not losing that issue. Healthcare is
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Speaker 1: another one where on occasions you will get blocks of
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Speaker 1: these two excuse me, you will get blocks of voters
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Speaker 1: who have turned very quickly away from Democrats on that
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Speaker 1: issue of perennial strength. And now this is a part
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Speaker 1: of the coalition on which they have had a luck forever.
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Speaker 1: That during Trump too is like, actually, we're hanging here.
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Speaker 1: And that's been the question all along is can Trump
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Speaker 1: pull people and then keep them there? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Right, And that remains to be seen, but so far
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Speaker 2: it's a shift that actually matters. And you know that.
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Speaker 2: The thing is that when you have these minority shifts
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Speaker 2: where we talked about this during the election with Jews,
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Speaker 2: like when you have even if it's a small number
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Speaker 2: of voters who move from one side to another, you
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Speaker 2: can change the electorate in places that matter, like in
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania for example. And I think you're gonna if Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump could make a shift in black voters in Georgia
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Speaker 2: that moves Georgia back into the red column, and that
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Speaker 2: would be very very interesting. I also think stuff like
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Speaker 2: no taxes on tips and just lowering taxes overall people
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Speaker 2: saw more money in their checks this year. I think
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing matters a lot, especially when the
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Speaker 2: Democrats are the party that always runs on affordability. If
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Speaker 2: Trump is able to take that affordability message from them,
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Speaker 2: that would be very good.
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Speaker 1: The way they should put a lot more emphasis on that,
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Speaker 1: like a lot of people don't know where that came from.
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Speaker 2: And then lat oh Man, you and me talking about
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Speaker 2: what the Republican Party should be talking about.
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Speaker 1: And then lastly, I want to point out that speaking
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Speaker 1: of coalitions or coalition members, the Democrats need, Spencer Pratt
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Speaker 1: out in LA is talking explicitly to moms. Here's a
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Speaker 1: little bit of his online content which has been just
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Speaker 1: very enjoyable. Yeah, so he is talking about LA.
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Speaker 4: And because I've been campaigning, the thing that has impacted
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Speaker 4: me the most is meeting hundreds and hundreds of moms.
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Speaker 4: And they're the most activated people in Los Angeles right now.
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Speaker 4: And you know why, because they don't feel safe. Moms
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Speaker 4: send me messages with stories and videos that are so disturbing.
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Speaker 4: If I were to share them on my accounts, they
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Speaker 4: get banned. Crazy drug addicts exposing themselves to their children,
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Speaker 4: hardcore drug use assaults, It's shocking what LA moms have
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Speaker 4: to endure because of the reckless policies of Karen Bass
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Speaker 4: and Nitthia Rahman, who really just don't care about their concerns.
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Speaker 4: It's really shifted my vision in a very real way.
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Speaker 4: I'm realizing that my true mission as mayor is to
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Speaker 4: protect our moms. They need to feel safe. They're scared
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Speaker 4: to just walk their baby stroller to the park and
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Speaker 4: enjoy the weather. They're scared to grab their mobile order
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Speaker 4: at Starbucks. They're on pins and needles sending their kids
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Speaker 4: off to school. I'm sorry, but how have we accepted this?
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Speaker 4: As a man, as a father, nothing is more important
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Speaker 4: than the safety of my children and my wife. Women
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Speaker 4: and children first. We have that maxim for a reason.
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Speaker 4: It's true in an emergency, and it's true for this election.
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Speaker 4: Women and children first. If I accomplish nothing else as mayor,
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Speaker 4: it will be to make moms and their kids feel
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Speaker 4: safe in the city of Los Angeles. Again.
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Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna have my heart broken when he loses.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when when the further left candidate than Karen
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Speaker 2: Best win that happen.
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Speaker 1: But look it is when he says, how have we
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Speaker 1: allowed this to become a city because he's right. Bass
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Speaker 1: and Nythia, the other woman running, they not only don't
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Speaker 1: care about mom's complaints about going to the park or
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Speaker 1: a Starbucks mobile order, they would they would make fun
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Speaker 1: of them for having issues with the fact that this
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Speaker 1: is what they see on their way, and he's he's correct.
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Speaker 1: We run into this all the time where the problem
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Speaker 1: that the liberal policies have created is so disgusting, whether
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Speaker 1: it's the uh, the rated X content in school, or
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Speaker 1: the people you see on your street corner next to
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Speaker 1: the park, that you can't communicate it on social media
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Speaker 1: because or in a public meeting because it's so racy.
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Speaker 1: That's how bad it is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hope LA does the right thing.
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Speaker 1: It'd be nice. Yeah, no, no, better than.
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Speaker 2: To expect it. But it's just in such a bad place,
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Speaker 2: like they're going to try to do something. They're going
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Speaker 2: to try to make a big move, I think, and
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Speaker 2: it's either going to be him or Nythia, and yikes.
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Speaker 1: I think. I think it'd be nice to have a
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Speaker 1: person who recognizes that parks should be approachable by moms
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Speaker 1: with kids and strollers without being scared.
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Speaker 2: This used to be something democrats believed I mean.
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Speaker 1: There are public parks, by their public parks. This is
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Speaker 1: one of the few things that I believe is a
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Speaker 1: good government function and win. Functioning correctly brings great joy
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Speaker 1: to people. But they refuse to let them function correctly.
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Speaker 2: That's unfortunate. All Right, We're going to take a short
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Speaker 2: break and come right back with some grim Platner and
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Speaker 2: his Tottan coffe. Oh, we are back on normally where
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Speaker 2: my co host Mary Katherine Ham got into it over
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Speaker 2: the weekend with the left wing podcast hosts at Pod
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Speaker 2: Saves America. Mary Catherine doesn't seem to think that Nazi
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Speaker 2: tattoos are okay for some reason. What's the problem?
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Speaker 1: Much to my surprise, this is something worth content over
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Speaker 1: for John Favreau of the pod Bros. Okay, here's his
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Speaker 1: original tweet. He had said in the past, let me
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Speaker 1: know when a far lefty candidate appears with a Nazi
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Speaker 1: sympathizer and we can chat. So everybody's been pointing this out,
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Speaker 1: he says, I didn't delete it because I stand by it.
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Speaker 1: But if Maga World has decided their best play is
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Speaker 1: to insult Mayner's intelligence by trying to fool them into
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Speaker 1: thinking Platner's old tattoo makes him a Nazi sympathizer. Best
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Speaker 1: of luck in November. And I just said what I
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Speaker 1: think is quite common sense. I think if one is
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out if a candidate is sympathetic to Nazis,
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Speaker 1: one of the most important tests is whether the candidate
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Speaker 1: knowingly got a death head tattoo signifying an elite, brutal
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Speaker 1: group of SS officers and kept it until the second
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Speaker 1: he wanted to run for Senate and someone noticed. It's
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Speaker 1: an insult to everyone's intelligence to suggest otherwise. Sorry, his
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Speaker 1: medicare thoughts from last week are not permanent body art
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Speaker 1: or absolution. Carol, does it seem reasonable to you that
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Speaker 1: Nazi tattoos are a heuristic for dumb and back?
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Speaker 2: You think, right, Like, it used to be just a
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Speaker 2: shorthand and now it's like, no, no, what does it
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Speaker 2: really mean.
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Speaker 1: Let's not assume. Yeah, he's that he's incorrect about this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Left has like been pretending that he
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Speaker 2: didn't know, that he didn't know, and there's so many
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Speaker 2: stories about the fact that he did know, that he
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Speaker 2: knew exactly what it was, and he used to refer
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Speaker 2: to it as my tottan cop because he did know
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Speaker 2: what it was, and this pretense that this guy had
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Speaker 2: no idea is just that.
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Speaker 1: Also, his former political director was like, come on, guys,
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Speaker 1: he's a military history buff. You're telling me he didn't
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Speaker 1: know about this.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: Uh, Like Favreau goes on to Darvo this thing reverse
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Speaker 1: victim offender, because now I'm the problem for noticing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he says, I don't know. You strike me as someone's
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Speaker 1: smart enough to know that A good good test as
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Speaker 1: to whether someone is sympathetic to Nazis is if they've
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Speaker 1: ever said a single word in their entire life that
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Speaker 1: could be construed as sympathetic to Nazis. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: quite sure we could find some stuff, but he says, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he says, I guess the story you'd have us believe
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Speaker 1: is this a group of American Marines who risked their
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Speaker 1: lives for this country. See I'm I'm not patriotic enough here, please,
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Speaker 1: decided to get skull and crossbones tattoos together in their
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Speaker 1: twenties that they all knew were Nazi symbols. They then
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Speaker 1: kept their actual Nazi sympathies hidden for the next decade.
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Yeah, come on,
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Speaker 1: everything makes you a white supremacist except an actual Nazi tattoo.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: He also has shared content from white supremacist figures. He's
18:46
Speaker 2: been on questionable podcasts. He had old Reddit posts that
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Speaker 2: you know, had racist connotations. It just not even that.
18:56
Speaker 2: Before we get into he said that women should take
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Speaker 2: some responsibility and sexual assault scenarios. I mean, all of
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Speaker 2: this is things that used to bother Democrats. Now there's body,
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Speaker 2: there's a we need, Yeah, we need to stop Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: so it doesn't matter anymore.
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Speaker 1: There's a body of work, including artwork on his body.
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Speaker 1: Like it's just it's so insane to me. This is
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Speaker 1: their grand platner on when it comes to white supremacy
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Speaker 1: and racism and Nazi accusations. This is the moment when
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Speaker 1: public health told you you could go outside to do
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Speaker 1: the George Floyd oh yeah, protests. This is the moment
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Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't believe any of it. They don't
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Speaker 1: believe any of it. The second rate, that the dog
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Speaker 1: whistle is actually a literal tattoo on their preferred candidate.
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Speaker 1: They're like, how dare you insult this man's service to
19:48
Speaker 1: this country exactly.
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Speaker 2: Our friend Philip Klein points out that something that you
19:54
Speaker 2: and I had talked about as well. He writes, now
19:56
Speaker 2: we'll have to listen for months to arguments that it
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Speaker 2: is our moral duty to support the Nazi tattoo guy
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Speaker 2: over the threat posed by centrist Republican Senator Susan Collins.
20:07
Speaker 2: Because Trump, if you can't support Susan Collins, I don't
20:11
Speaker 2: want to hear it. She is the centrist of the Centrists,
20:14
Speaker 2: and the idea that she's too far gone and you
20:17
Speaker 2: have you must line up with the Nazi. That's the
20:19
Speaker 2: only way to make you know, make this make sense.
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Speaker 2: You have to go with the Nazi because she's too
20:25
Speaker 2: far out is what they're going to try.
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Speaker 5: And that's the old vote for the criminal. It's important,
20:32
Speaker 5: vote for the tattoo guy. It's important. That's the argument.
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Speaker 5: And no, I reject that this guy was clueless. And
20:40
Speaker 5: also even if you're clueless, this is horrendous judgment.
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Speaker 1: And he had been daying tattoo for another fifteen twenty
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Speaker 1: years before he got rid of truck this year when
20:51
Speaker 1: he was interested in running for office. Oh so fascinating, Yeah, fascinating.
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Speaker 2: Now, our friend Matt Whitlock also points out an incredible
21:00
Speaker 2: look at where the Democrats are today. Janet Mills may
21:02
Speaker 2: have had a ton of weaknesses, but she had Schumer money,
21:05
Speaker 2: was a sitting governor, has things, she can actually tout
21:07
Speaker 2: his accomplishments, and she lost to the Nazi tattoo guy.
21:11
Speaker 2: There's some part of me that thinks she lost because
21:15
Speaker 2: he's the Nazi tattoo guy, that this is just gaining
21:19
Speaker 2: steam and is going to be a pro going forward.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is some truth on the left,
21:27
Speaker 1: with the far left base that some amount of signaling
21:32
Speaker 1: anti Semitism is a feature, not a bug yet. And
21:37
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing too, is like he's like, this
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Speaker 1: man has never expressed anything related, Well, he does frequently actually,
21:45
Speaker 1: like he's applauded Hamas and it's tactics in I feel
21:50
Speaker 1: like that's Nazi adjacent, that that's certainly sympathetic to a
21:53
Speaker 1: certain strain of thought.
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Speaker 2: Who would the Nazi support in that exchange?
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's well, we'll see what happened.
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Speaker 2: Don't know, he might win, He might win. Susan Collins,
22:06
Speaker 2: of course, is largely you know, she's a tough cookie
22:10
Speaker 2: over there in Maine. We'll see what happens. But yeah,
22:13
Speaker 2: it could be an election where Democrats have a really
22:16
Speaker 2: good run in a bunch of states, and that could
22:18
Speaker 2: be one of them. And then there'll be a guy
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Speaker 2: in the Senate who had a Nazi tattoo, knew about it,
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Speaker 2: and people voted for him many.
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Speaker 1: What what can definitely conclude is that dog whistles are canceled.
22:30
Speaker 1: We don't there's none.
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Speaker 2: If that ain't one, they're done, right, yep, elon musk
22:38
Speaker 2: waving to a crowd. That's a dog whistle. But the
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Speaker 2: Nazi tattoo isn't well.
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Speaker 1: And the difference is that my heuristic for bad and
22:45
Speaker 1: dumb is having a Nazi tattoo. His is being right
22:51
Speaker 1: of center. Right, So as long as this guy is
22:53
Speaker 1: left of center, everything's fine.
22:55
Speaker 2: All right. We're going to take a short break and
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Speaker 2: come right back with more on normally.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we are back on normally with some COVID updates,
23:06
Speaker 1: and we are still mad, bro, and we are still mad,
23:11
Speaker 1: and someone may actually pay a price other than American
23:13
Speaker 1: school children. Here's Rand Paul tweeting about it. Fauci's right
23:17
Speaker 1: hand man was just indicted for conspiracy and destruction of
23:21
Speaker 1: federal records. We have learned that he was basically creating
23:26
Speaker 1: code words to get around Freedom of Information and Act requests,
23:31
Speaker 1: basically covering up what they were covering up because journalists
23:36
Speaker 1: and activists and citizens could then not request that information
23:39
Speaker 1: so that they could prove what these jerks were doing,
23:42
Speaker 1: which we kind of knew they were doing.
23:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, the thing is that Fauci getting Biden's
23:50
Speaker 2: pardon right at the end there and getting a blanket
23:53
Speaker 2: pardon for a bunch of years. It was so suspicious
23:55
Speaker 2: and questionable. I think that made people look into the
23:58
Speaker 2: figures around and I have to believe that that played
24:02
Speaker 2: some role, because I feel like people would not have thought, oh,
24:06
Speaker 2: let's look into a former advisor of Fauci and whether
24:09
Speaker 2: or not he covered up or concealed information had Biden
24:13
Speaker 2: not pardoned Fauci. I think it's a direct line.
24:16
Speaker 1: Well, and like, I don't think people should hide federal
24:19
Speaker 1: records from that, but I think they should think they
24:21
Speaker 1: should be punished for that. And like there's a lot
24:24
Speaker 1: of occasions, as we noted last show, where you know,
24:27
Speaker 1: I think the Koma indictment is not likely to succeed
24:29
Speaker 1: and is dumb I think several moves that this DOJ
24:33
Speaker 1: have made have been sloppy and not well done. This
24:36
Speaker 1: kind of thing, hiding in an emergency situation information from
24:40
Speaker 1: the public that is too pertinent to whether they are
24:43
Speaker 1: being totally lied to by public officials should be punishable right.
24:50
Speaker 2: And using private emails. I know when Hillary Clinton did it,
24:53
Speaker 2: people tried to portray it as no big deal. But
24:56
Speaker 2: like as my husband said at the time, he'd be
24:58
Speaker 2: fired for that at his you know, not anything related
25:02
Speaker 2: to government job if he used private email to talk
25:06
Speaker 2: to clients and conduct business. So the fact that Fauci's
25:10
Speaker 2: guy here is using private email to avoid foil laws
25:14
Speaker 2: o sensibly is really an issue. And also that he
25:18
Speaker 2: apparently deleted these emails and tried to make them disappear.
25:22
Speaker 2: The cover up is really bad here.
25:24
Speaker 1: And they are his attempts. By the way, the things
25:26
Speaker 1: that are at issue here is emails to other scientists
25:30
Speaker 1: attempting to reinstate suspended grants that had to do with
25:35
Speaker 1: gain a function that they didn't like Congress didn't want
25:38
Speaker 1: us funding.
25:39
Speaker 2: Like the thing is that the you know, the lying
25:43
Speaker 2: about the vaccine side effects was also just so harmful
25:47
Speaker 2: to the image of public health in going forward, and
25:50
Speaker 2: it did not obviously end with just COVID. People have
25:53
Speaker 2: a lot of suspicion around all vaccines. Now, we totally
25:57
Speaker 2: called that this would happen. The cover really did damage
26:01
Speaker 2: to us all and I don't know when we kind
26:06
Speaker 2: of find a path out of it where we could
26:07
Speaker 2: trust our health officials again.
26:09
Speaker 1: Well, and what happens is that people do end up
26:11
Speaker 1: going down rabbit holes and finding other messengers who are
26:16
Speaker 1: sometimes equally problematic. There are others that are responsible and
26:20
Speaker 1: you're getting good information from. But yes, we in relinquishing
26:23
Speaker 1: this public trust. They did themselves a ton of harm
26:27
Speaker 1: and did American voters a ton of harm because it
26:31
Speaker 1: is hard to sift through who is trustworthy who is not.
26:33
Speaker 1: And most importantly, I would like none of these people
26:35
Speaker 1: who lied about this systematically to have any power ever. Again. Yeah,
26:40
Speaker 1: that's especially randy Whenardens still in charge somewhere so here
26:42
Speaker 1: we are.
26:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you know the other liars, maybe they
26:48
Speaker 2: never work in public policy again, that would be nice,
26:50
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