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The JR The Handler Show - Drive Me Smooth (feat. Boyd Causey) · Tigs Bits Podcast

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  All right, welcome back everyone to the Jr. the Handler Show, a
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  music podcast YouTube show featuring people from the
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  touring world of country music so far, but plan to have many
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  guests and many topics outside of just that specific genre as
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  well. I hope everybody has enjoyed the
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  first few episodes that we've put out.
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  It's been a blast doing them. I've had a great time catching
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  up with some old friends. This episode should be another
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  banger. I'm pumped.
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  I was just in here listening to some Burt Bacharach from 1969.
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  Great album. I spent a little bit, great
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  album and it's so cool to be able to go on here and find any
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  type of music you want for a couple, $100 a year for a
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  subscription service such for the artist and everybody
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  involved in the music business. Well, most of us because you
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  don't sell physical albums anymore and the algorithms and
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  all that stuff. But I'm sure it's good for a lot
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  of people. So it is what it is.
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  I'm not going to be able to change or do anything about it.
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  Do my best to do my part and support all of the acts that I
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  like and contribute as much as possible.
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  But anyway, thank you guys and gals for tuning in this week.
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  Please go like rate, subscribe, follow all that fun stuff.
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  Apple, Spotify, YouTube, subscribe to those channels.
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  Like if it's got a place to rate hit the five star rating, that
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  will help me out so much to keep this thing going and keep it
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  where it needs to be. I hope to have all kinds of cool
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  things in the future involving this show.
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  But for now, we're just going to chop it up with people from the
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  road and get some Rd. stories and and try to and have some fun
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  doing that. I've got a guest coming on today
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  that you guys are going to love. He's a buddy of mine that I've
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  known for most of his adult life, not being that much
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  because he's still, he's still a baby in my eyes, but his just a
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  stud duck, a chip off the old block.
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  I don't even know where to start with this so I'm just going to
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  bring him on the show and let him tell it himself.
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  He told me last time I talked to him if I didn't drive this
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  podcast smooth it was going to be my arse.
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  So I'm going to be as smooth as I can to bring on my brother,
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  the one and only Rockin Randall. Rowdy Randall.
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  Boyd Causey. What's going on, Boyd?
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  Man, what's going on dude? Good to see you.
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  You too brother. How is how's everything in your
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  world today? Man, it's good.
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  You know, I know you're down at the beach.
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  It's been warm for a couple weeks down there.
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  It's finally getting warm here in Nashville.
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  I hit the lake two or three times already this year.
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  Water's still freezing ass cold, but the weather's good.
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  Oh yeah, Yeah, I bet. You know, I remember the first
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  time going to Nashville and somebody wanted to take me to
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  those lakes and I grew up on Lake Martin and I jumped in them
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  lakes and was like, y'all, this not a real lake, this a cow
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  pond. No offense, no offense to those
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  lakes up there, but man, they're rough.
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  I remember getting bit by fish like the first time I got in I
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  was like. Sure.
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  You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, I definitely.
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  Do and I think that was it Percy Priest.
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  I went with somebody. We went just somewhere because
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  there's really no place to dock or no beaches or anything.
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  So we get out there and I'm like, what is that?
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  I could think, yeah, Brie, I'm trying to trying to trying to.
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  Trying to have some lunch. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I go to Percy Priest just, it's
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  closer to my house and it's cleaner up there on Old Hickory.
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  You know, that river runs through there and it's just full
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  of logs and. Oh, yeah, move.
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  It's it moves so much. It's hard to, to, you know, know
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  where everything's at, all the trees.
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  And as much as we wake board and surf, you can get hurt up there
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  pretty easily. And, and Percy Priest is, you
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  know, it's just, it's not moving and you know, you kind of know
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  where everything is at out there.
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  And it, and it's a lot deeper out there 'cause you get off
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  that Channel and Old Hickory shit, you get off that Channel
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  that much and it goes from 4 from 40 to 4 feet.
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  I mean like that. Yeah.
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  And there's just there's low spots just everywhere.
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  Like you said, it's different because it has the IT has the
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  channel and they have the lock and dam system to move barges
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  and all through the up and down the river to where is the other
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  doesn't. Same with Lake Martin.
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  It moves because the big dam, the hydroelectric dam on one in
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  it's super deep over there. Just different kind of soil and
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  stuff. But I was just surprised the
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  first time and I because everybody was so talked up the
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  lake and I thought this must be a nice lake, you know, but I but
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  you got but you know, yeah, I was going to say coming from
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  Lake Martin, it's you're pretty spoiled.
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  That's what I tell people. And until you experience that,
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  it's hard to even get that. Yeah, I can remember.
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  He's going to kill me for telling this story.
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  But my buddy Sparky for my fraternity brothers who lives in
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  Nashville, one of my best buddies, partner for life.
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  And so he's always had a boat. He's on Old Hickory and he's got
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  a big old house boat. Now he's up in the Yacht Club.
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  I mean, he he just living the life he and his wife live right
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  around the corner up there, you know, but back in the day he
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  would get he had a boat, he'd work your way up, you know, as
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  your job and your whatever space to keep it goes up, you get a
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  different boat. So at this one point I'm trying
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  to think what boat he had. I think he had his little
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  runabout boat then it was probably like a 18 foot little,
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  you know, bow rider little boat, you know, for us to get around.
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  Yeah. And this was right after the
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  flood of May 2010. OK.
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  And we go out there on the lake and are trying to get around
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  places and there's so many logs of substantial size, not just
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  limbs and little mess, big logs. And, you know, we're, we're,
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  we're going to the, what was it? The, Yeah, we'd go to 2 foot.
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  But there was the the blackjack. It was the, the Marina
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  restaurant over there was called something for a while when we
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  were hanging out there during this era.
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  And we were both single too, and all that stuff.
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  And we would just go up here and party and get drunk, you know,
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  to be honest, we go and on the boat, but it wasn't that crazy
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  because we'd go in the weekdays and stuff and we would Hurricane
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  Hole up on Old Hick or on the river.
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  We'd go to that and stuff and go and we put in sometimes at
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  Shelby Park and go all the way up to Ashland City and just
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  cruise. I mean, it was great, man.
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  Just drinking and smoking, riding, don't riding the boat,
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  you know, me and me and my boy, it was like exploring.
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  It was awesome. It was like childhood dream come
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  true, you know? And so we're over there and
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  we're dodging these. We're, we're having to, I'm
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  sitting on the front of the boat and just giving him hand signals
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  left or right to dodge because we would have to go so slow.
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  If we did, we'd never make it anywhere, you know, So I'm just
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  like, left, right or hold up and make a decision here, you know,
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  because there were so many logs in the river.
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  Then I remember us going to that place, blackjack or whatever it
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  was called over there because they had these great shrimp and
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  grits, but they were with a grit cake.
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  He'll had a grit cake with his shrimp and grits.
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  It was so good, but we got hammered, right.
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  So this is terrible to say, but statute of limitations got to be
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  gone by now. So, but we have to get back all
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  the way to the Marina. What is it?
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  Oh gosh, can't even think of the name of the Marina, But it was
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  across the the lake from where we were, the one right when you
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  come over the bridge there on the right.
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  Old Hickory Marina maybe? It may it it may be just Old
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  Hickory Marina. Yeah, you might be right.
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  It's the one that has the restaurant and they do trivia
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  night and all that up there. They have music and stuff.
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  Oh. Where is it where Sam's
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  restaurant is? No, before that.
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  Before, is it the where the Rutter is?
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  Yes, yes, OK, that place. So anyway, we have to come all
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  the way across the lake and we're hammered.
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  So we're like man, we don't need to get busted out here.
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  So we're like we'll go stealth mode.
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  This is our plan. We'll go stealth mode.
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  We'll just kill instead of or we might have had a light out and
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  we didn't want to chance it, so we just killed all the lights
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  and it weren't just putt putt neither.
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  I mean, we just ran it by ran it by, you know, let your eyes
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  adjust and listen, you know, and and know where you know the know
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  the line you need to go. Anyway, terrible story, but good
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  times out there on those lakes, man.
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  Thanks for coming on the show. I've had a one of my I wanted to
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  get you on here. You're on the top of the list
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  And and I've got there's a bunch of us.
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  I know Wally and Co and Ox and all them are going to drill me,
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  but I'm going to I'm going to holler at everybody, guys, but I
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  just got to I know y'all are busy too.
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  I just trying to get everybody I know is not doing something on
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  that day before I start asking, and I plan on doing this for a
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  long time. There's 52 weeks in a year.
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  So I believe everybody's going to get I won't have a chance to
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  chat with everybody for sure. Whoever wants to anyway, But but
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  I wanted to get you on because, man, you've got a great story.
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  You know, I started this podcast, multiple things.
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  One just want to talk more about music and fun facts and just
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  chop it up in a little current events, but also to to showcase
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  out there to everyone that doesn't know someone in the
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  music business all of the different types of roles, jobs
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  and occupations that are involved in the music business
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  besides playing and singing and. Besides what you see on stage
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  that the. Exactly what everyone thinks,
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  you know. Yeah, You know, I saw, I know
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  everybody. You know, all of our friends
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  that do this have for work have probably seen this thing.
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  People have it on T-shirts and flags.
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  It's like, you know, we don't do this because it's easy.
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  We do this because we thought it was going to be easy.
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  Exactly, I did it. I did it so I could have
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  somewhere I could get drunk and show up late to work to and not
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  get fired every time. Exactly.
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  The drinking, the party, the women, it all.
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  It's all you know. What I mean, hey, it's, it's
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  just like that song Showman's Life that never told me about
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  this part Exactly. That song gets more and more
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  true every year on the road. But yeah, so I wanted to do it
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  for that, to showcase all the different roles because, you
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  know, like, say growing up, you see the people, you think that's
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  who that's who it is, those people and maybe their manager
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  or something. You don't even know how many
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  managers there are and how many it takes for certain level acts
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  and all the production teams and crews and content people and
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  agents and drivers. And then then their careers is
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  on this, but it's also a tough living.
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  You better have some passion if you want to get in this
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  business. You basically better just, yeah,
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  don't really hate, really no need having a backup plan.
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  Just kind of got to go all in and figure it out as it goes and
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  then hope something spurs off of this that keeps you in the right
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  direction of growth and maturity.
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  You know, Speaking of a backup plan, you know, I meant that's
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  I, I, I don't want to say being a tour manager or production
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  manager was, was a quote backup plan, but you know, kind of like
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  everybody else when I was 1214 and got to doing this seriously
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  and play and I was like, I want to be that guy on stage.
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  I can do that. I can sing, play guitar just as
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  good as any of them. And come to find out I could not
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  exactly not even close. And then luckily at that young
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  age, I realized, holy shit, there's like 40 other jobs that
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  you can do and make a great living and still be part of the
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  fun and not be that guy on stage.
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  Exactly. Or not be any of the guys on
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  stage, not just the front man, not not be the, you know, guitar
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  player, bass player, drunk, whatever.
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  You know, I'm so happy that I realized that so young because
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  like you said, there ain't no plan to be there ain't no what
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  else am I going to do that wouldn't when you're in this and
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  especially you love it as much as somebody like me and you
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  does. Like, this is it, You know,
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  that's all we got. Yeah, and you and you stay in it
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  long as I have. There is no other option at this
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  point. I'm not qualified to do anything
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  else. But I said this during the
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  pandemic, too, man. People underestimate, you know,
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  you think well roadies or you know, band stuff, man, you know
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  as well as I do they didn't want to turn our whole team on the
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  workforce. We take a lot of jobs, man.
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  People out on the road are so multi, multi tasked, multi tool,
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  multi talented. Hours don't matter.
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  There ain't no breaks. I mean, we're used to just
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  whatever you throw at us everyday new situation, make it
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  happen. Like I would put my, I'd put my
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  6/7. 8 hours. Yeah, and just have to do it and
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  there ain't no let's talk with somebody.
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  No, it's just what's got to happen.
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  I mean, I would put my crew and we don't have the world's
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  largest crew. We've got a great crew though,
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  and we keep it that way for reasons.
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  Everybody likes condo bunks, nice bonuses every year.
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  Y'all know the crew member and I will just keep.
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  We'll just work a little more. But anyway, I put them 6-7
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  jokers up against anybody at any job.
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  Give them a task they'd never even done before, and give them
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  about 24 hours and they'll be better than whoever was doing it
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  before then. Yeah, no doubt.
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  Yeah, I've been, I mean, hell, I've, I've worked with your crew
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  a bunch, you know, and I, I would, I'd agree with that, you
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  know. And that's most of them.
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  You know, you think about you turn loose all those TMS and
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  production managers and stuff out to some management type
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  roles throughout the world, but we don't have the qualification
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  because this is what you've done this long enough.
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  You're what your resume say you're on tour and they don't
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  know how to equate those things necessarily, but you just got to
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  say just just trust me. You just got to trust me.
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  You don't have any. I don't have any pictures to
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  show you or any resume. But if you'll trust me, I
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  promise 100% satisfaction rate because that's the other thing
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  too. We don't our margins are 100%.
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  Everything has to get done every time there is.
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  No. We didn't hit our thing, you
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  know? We didn't get this, we didn't
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  get that. No, everything has to get done
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  every damn time. There ain't no other.
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  There ain't no getting around it.
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  But so I thought that would be cool to talk about that whole
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  journey and you know, the different jobs.
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  But so before we get, and we're going to get in everything and
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  this will spur us on other stuff.
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  And I've got some questions at the end, but if you don't have,
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  if you're not in a hurry, we'll chop it up as long as you want
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  to. Yeah, But let's just go for.
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  Let's go all the way back. You said 1214 playing guitar and
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  stuff. Let's go all the way back.
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  You're from Montgomery. Montgomery Area, Alabama.
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  You know, I was actually born, born in South Georgia, OK,
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  around like Albany, Leesburg, GA.
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  That makes sense now. Now I understand some of your
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  some of your ways a little better man.
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  I get it. So my parents met because my
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  mom's dad was like a contract pecan farmer and he was doing
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  some work at a, at a ranch or a farm, whatever you want to call
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  it in outside of like Montgomery, AL on a farm on
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  Hunter Loop Rd. out there. And you know, that's where my
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  dad was born and raised. And my mom, you know, like I
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  said with her dad, what, what he did for work.
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  They met and then my dad's, I'm sorry, my mom's parents, you
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  know, they moved back to South Georgia when my parents were in
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  high school. My mom and dad were, you know,
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  1516 years old and they stayed long distance back in the 80s on
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  like payphone, you know what I mean?
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  And so when they finally got married, they were, you know,
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  1819, wherever they got married. My, my mom, my mom's dad died
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  when, when she was really young. And so they got married and my
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  my parents moved to South Georgia.
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  So I spent the 1st 18 years living there.
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  And. I, I was homeschooled and so I
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  would come to Alabama and live, you know, during the summertime
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  for 2-3 months at a time and stay, stay with home, my cousins
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  or whatever. So I kind of split my time.
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  So I say I'm from South Georgia, from, you know, Alabama,
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  whatever. And then when I was like, I
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  think I was like 17 or 18, my dad's dad, who is the boy before
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  me, his name was William Boyd, he got dementia real bad.
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  So my parents, we, we loaded up and moved back to where my dad
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  was from outside of Prabal, Alabama.
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  Gotcha. And so, and from the time I was,
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  you know, sometime I could drive, I was going back and
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  forth to Nashville, you know, sleeping on couches and doing
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  whatever. But yeah, I started.
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  I got my first guitar for Christmas.
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  I was like 3 or 4 years old and didn't know no chord.
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  I was just banging around. My dad was always in a band.
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  My mom's brother, which, you know, my dad's brother-in-law
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  and best friend still, they were always in band.
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  I mean, covered every damn Skynyrd, Marshall Tucker song
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  you can think of. You know, my dad was a badass
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  keyboard player. He can play bass and play drums,
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  all right, but he was a really good keyboard player.
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  My uncle, great guitar player. So I learned a lot from them.
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  And then, you know, about 9 or 10, I started playing in church
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  just like everybody else, you know, in the South.
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  And just, I could, I just was playing whatever.
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  I wasn't real good at any of it, but I could play drums good
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  enough. I could play bass good enough.
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  I could strum a guitar all right.
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  And you know, started doing that.
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  And then I, like I said, my, my, my dad and him, they were in all
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  of doing all the Skinner stuff. And that's what I really loved
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  for a long time. And then, you know, my mom was
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  more on the Christian music side and and little more country.
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  So I listen to that and really where I think it really stuck
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  with me was like country music is what I want to do.
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  We had an old farm truck on working those pecan farms at my
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  uncle's house. There was a Charlie Daniels tape
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  stuck in there and it was stuck. I can't remember the name of the
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  tape, but it was stuck on the side that had The Legend of the
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  Woolly Swamp on. It.
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  And I listen to that record or that tape shit 100 times.
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  If I listen to a point, you know what I mean?
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  And that's, I think about 9/10/11, that's when I realized
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  country music, like that's, that's me.
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  That's what I want. Like when I start getting to
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  where I could play good enough and, you know, finger around
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  some chords and put some words together.
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  It was that that's what I wanted to be.
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  I wanted to be like Charlie Daniels, you know, and Merle
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  Haggard Whalen and all that. You know, I got I've got this
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  Whalen tattoo here. My mom actually picked this out.
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  This is a Mama tried tattoo, you know, But yeah, that that's when
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  I really knew country was it for me.
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  Yeah, that's great. That's funny.
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  I saw Merle Haggard's childhood home today on a Facebook post
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  from 1910, a boxcar. This mom and dad had converted
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  to a house and that's, that's where they.
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  And he said this is where Mama tried, you know?
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  Yeah. Well, that makes sense.
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  I'm kind of in the same boat, man.
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  I, I, you know, similarly, I, I'm from Alabama, I claim, you
• 18:12
  know, but I'm actually from Mississippi originally.
• 18:14
  I was born in Jackson, Ms. and my grandparents, my mom and dad
• 18:17
  met over there and moved back to Alabama when I, you know, before
• 18:21
  I started kindergarten and all to Montgomery, S Montgomery back
• 18:24
  when, you know, when it was somewhat decent.
• 18:27
  And did you? Did you and Joe write?
• 18:29
  Were you all in the same school and stuff?
• 18:32
  You know, I think we talked about that one time, but he's a
• 18:35
  hair older than me, A. Year.
• 18:37
  Or two. And I was only there.
• 18:38
  I went to Danley Elementary from kindergarten, first grade twice
• 18:42
  and 2nd grade. And then and then we moved and
• 18:45
  then I got mugged for $2.00 coming home off the school bus
• 18:48
  in front of the Chuck E Cheese down there on the southern
• 18:51
  bypass by the mall where where he's living.
• 18:54
  I know what you call it S down apartments.
• 18:57
  I think they were nice and new. It was first time we ever had a
• 18:59
  microwave built into the wall and it had cable television
• 19:02
  hooked into the ready to go the little.
• 19:05
  And this is what I say now, I'm so frustrated with all of the
• 19:07
  streaming services and everything.
• 19:09
  All we need is that old school black little box on top of the
• 19:12
  TV with the red numbers that you get about 50 channels total.
• 19:16
  That's all we really need. It's the damn hard to find
• 19:19
  something to watch. Now.
• 19:19
  I spend more time flipping through looking for something
• 19:22
  than I do watching. Stuff channels, yeah.
• 19:24
  I mean, it's unbelievable. But yeah, so I don't know it
• 19:27
  it's we would had to been close. I may have, you know, I don't
• 19:31
  know Dalton's from around there. I wonder if I knew his mom,
• 19:37
  Boyd's best buddy and one of my other little brothers who I love
• 19:40
  so much. And I wish y'all, I would have
• 19:41
  saw y'all when y'all were down here playing the other week.
• 19:43
  He's actually in there somewhere.
• 19:45
  He, he, he's been in town all. Week.
• 19:47
  Oh, we got to get him on. Oh hell yeah.
• 19:49
  He he's getting out of the shower and getting packed.
• 19:51
  Tell him don't even put nothing on coming here in the towel,
• 19:53
  please. Jesus, cow drop.
• 19:55
  It. Oh man, let me say the cheeks.
• 19:57
  We, you know, we just went to the Turnpike and Ragweed show.
• 20:00
  Yes, that's what I that's part of the reason I wanted to hurry
• 20:03
  up and get you on and get a first hand account on all that.
• 20:05
  If you want to go into that, we do that now.
• 20:08
  We'll go back to telling we can go back to to origin store later
• 20:13
  because I got to hear this ragweed stuff all.
• 20:15
  Right, so. For anybody not aware, Cross
• 20:18
  Canadian Ragweed godfathers of red dirt music back in the 90s
• 20:25
  early 2000s, they were the king started.
• 20:27
  In like what? Like 9294 or something.
• 20:29
  By the time I started with Wayne Mills in O2, Ragweed was big and
• 20:36
  we would play a few shows with them.
• 20:37
  Some they had played a bunch right before I got there.
• 20:40
  They played like the whole year before with them, but we played
• 20:42
  a lot with Bowling and Kevin Fowler and Rodger Krieger.
• 20:45
  So were y'all going in like meeting?
• 20:47
  Were y'all going to Oklahoma and Texas and Arkansas or were they
• 20:49
  coming down to like play supper club and shit?
• 20:52
  A little of both. We went there mostly that would
• 20:54
  they were our people to go over there and bowling them with
• 20:56
  drift over here some. But we did a six or it might
• 21:01
  have been a nine week tour with blue Edmonds and we just traded
• 21:04
  dates like we go do a weekend over that way.
• 21:06
  Then we do a weekend over here or two weeks, 2 weeks.
• 21:08
  And they, we took them to Valdosta and Statesboro and, you
• 21:12
  know, Montgomery and Troy and everywhere else, you know, and
• 21:14
  then we'd go over there and play the Wormy Dog in Oklahoma City
• 21:19
  and the Firehouse in Houston and, you know, all these, I
• 21:23
  mean, there's so many venues in Texas too, you know?
• 21:26
  So so for anybody that don't know, like he was saying, you
• 21:28
  know, they like pretty much started the red dirt sing.
• 21:30
  Would you agree with that? Like.
• 21:32
  Brandon Jenkins and that. Brandon Jenkins, Stoney Ragweed
• 21:39
  Bowling. Because Bowling.
• 21:41
  And because Bowling and Cody were roommates at Oklahoma
• 21:43
  State. Yep, Yep.
• 21:46
  Bowling was our closest ally in blue, probably secondly, but by
• 21:49
  far, Bowling and Wayne, we did a lot of shows together.
• 21:52
  I learned so much from them. I can't stress how important and
• 21:57
  how happy I am that they're finally getting some do because
• 22:00
  I have said since day one, it's part of the reason I my luster
• 22:04
  for our genre has faded over the years because of acts like Jason
• 22:07
  Boland not getting the love they deserve when they deserved it
• 22:10
  because that guy's put out so many good records for so long.
• 22:14
  You know, that's Dalton's like #1 him and Hank Junior, that's
• 22:17
  Dalton's like 2 favorites ever. Cheap bourbon, whiskey and Pearl
• 22:21
  snap shirts is 2 things that stay the same man.
• 22:23
  I mean anyway, I I'm getting chills thinking about how much I
• 22:27
  love Bola's music but anyway. Ragweed and front man Cody
• 22:30
  Canada Jason Bolton. Straggler's front man Jason
• 22:32
  Bolan, Roommates at Oklahoma State.
• 22:34
  Brandon Jenkins, songwriter. Just Mike McClure is who like
• 22:39
  men call them. Yep.
• 22:41
  Excuse me? The show was and they all grew
• 22:43
  up loving Lyle Lovett, Robert Earl Keen, Jerry Jeff.
• 22:51
  Yeah, so. Charlie Robinson, Bruce
• 22:55
  Robinson, All that Charlie and. Bruce Thursday, Friday,
• 22:58
  Saturday, Sunday, this past week.
• 22:59
  So April, like 910-1112, right? And so back in September, you
• 23:05
  know, a little birdie told me one, you know, a friend of a
• 23:07
  friend that from the agency was like, hey, just be ready.
• 23:10
  Something's happening. And I knew right then because
• 23:13
  we've been talking about this for years, Yeah.
• 23:15
  And so I. It only made sense.
• 23:17
  I mean, Red Dirt's back at its highest peak right now with all
• 23:20
  the other love. From around so, so I went ahead,
• 23:23
  but this is back in September. I got hotel rooms, whatever.
• 23:26
  And I as soon as the tickets went on sale, you know, I was
• 23:29
  able to get on a pre sale and I got tickets for Friday and
• 23:32
  Saturday. And I knew right then I was
• 23:35
  like, I don't care who I'm touring with, who I'm working
• 23:37
  for that Friday, Saturday I'm off.
• 23:39
  I ain't working. I ain't going to be on the road.
• 23:43
  So this, this is one of that's one of those ones you're like,
• 23:46
  if I, if they just got to let me go over this, I'll just I'll be
• 23:50
  on the group text to Monday, Tuesday, looking for a new one.
• 23:55
  So, so we fly out there Friday and get into the, you know, get
• 23:58
  into the Airbnb, whatever, which we, I booked these hotels months
• 24:03
  ago. Like I said back in September, I
• 24:04
  get an e-mail from a hotel saying, hey, we're sorry for the
• 24:08
  inconvenience, but your hotel's been cancelled.
• 24:09
  And I'm calling, I'm freaking out a week, a week before the
• 24:13
  show. What?
• 24:14
  What the Hell's going on? I was like, I've been a Diamond
• 24:16
  member here for years. You're cancelling my room.
• 24:19
  What's wrong? Oh, we're doing renovations on
• 24:21
  the hotel. It's not going to be ready.
• 24:22
  So we're not, we're not open until May 1st.
• 24:24
  And I was like, I don't think you realize what you just did.
• 24:27
  There's 150,000 people coming to a town that can only hold about
• 24:31
  30 and you just screwed 300 and something people out of their
• 24:33
  rooms. So anyways, I booked us an
• 24:36
  Airbnb in Tulsa an hour away, hour 15 minutes from Stillwater,
• 24:40
  flying in Tulsa, getting to the Airbnb we Uber down to to
• 24:44
  Stillwater and you know. How much was that Uber?
• 24:47
  About 200 bucks each way. That ain't that ain't the end of
• 24:50
  the world. No, it wasn't going to stop me,
• 24:52
  I promise you that. No, it is better to Dewey all
• 24:55
  day. Oh, for sure.
• 24:56
  Or. Trying to park or and parking
• 24:58
  and all. Oh yeah, because you had to buy
• 25:00
  a parking pass. You're right.
• 25:01
  Park all that and I. Wouldn't walk all that shit.
• 25:03
  Now drop me off the front door. Yeah, there.
• 25:05
  I'm. I'm so frugal.
• 25:07
  But certain things, when it comes to certain things that
• 25:09
  make sense, I don't mind absolutely.
• 25:12
  If it makes sense, absolutely. So man, when we get into the
• 25:15
  show and we, I didn't get floor tickets, I couldn't get floor
• 25:18
  tickets in time, but we were up on the first bowl.
• 25:20
  You know, we can see everything real good because they got iMac
• 25:23
  right and left. They got video wall, you know,
• 25:24
  upstate center, video walls, delay tower.
• 25:27
  For me it's a stadium show, 48,000 people.
• 25:30
  And, you know, the first night we or the second night of the
• 25:33
  show, our first night Friday, the MM McClure bands out there
• 25:37
  and you know, we're, it just caught the last little bit of
• 25:40
  them because we were, you know, getting in, you know, just takes
• 25:42
  forever to get 40. 8 with with Dalton.
• 25:44
  Hell yeah. Dragging ass, smoking
• 25:46
  cigarettes, trying to drop, finish off a beer they're making
• 25:48
  him throw out. I can see it.
• 25:52
  So we get in and man, we get to our seats and I'm like real
• 25:54
  life, this is this is happening, buddy.
• 25:56
  We are here. And then it's Stony.
• 25:58
  He does like, I think it was 35 minutes, you know, and I'm a big
• 26:02
  stone in the roof and I love that guy stuff.
• 26:04
  Stony. Fun fact on that, one of the
• 26:08
  original members of Southern Haller, Nick Jeffrey, when he
• 26:12
  left I, I got them hooked up to go see Stoney LaRue play when we
• 26:16
  were playing down in Mobile or something.
• 26:17
  One time they went and saw him after one of our shows we had
• 26:20
  played and when he left our band and start his new band.
• 26:23
  He called his new band Stoney Lonesome after seeing that.
• 26:26
  And he wasn't really even a country guy.
• 26:28
  He was a rock'n'roll guy. Nick was great.
• 26:30
  He, I think he and Carrie called it quits on the road and just
• 26:33
  started a family and all that. I've seen some pictures of kids
• 26:35
  Great so, but he was a great front man and singer and all
• 26:38
  that. But I remember he named his next
• 26:40
  band Stoney Lonesome after seeing Stoney one time at
• 26:44
  Mobile. I think I'm telling that right,
• 26:45
  Nick, If somebody passes it to Nick, let tell him he can come
• 26:48
  on. And I'd love to get the back
• 26:50
  story on that. But anyway.
• 26:51
  So Stoneys, great. Yeah, Stoneys.
• 26:53
  Great. Yeah.
• 26:53
  Love Stoney. I mean, he he opened and closed
• 26:55
  the show with Oklahoma Breakdown, which I thought was
• 26:58
  awesome. Show those got him crying
• 27:00
  that's. Right.
• 27:01
  And and then bowling. Bowling was next.
• 27:04
  And you know, like I said, that's Dalton's favorite.
• 27:06
  I love bowling, too. And, you know, cheap bourbon
• 27:09
  whiskey. He did.
• 27:11
  If I ever get back to Oklahoma, I'm on death on my feet, to the
• 27:13
  ground. You know it all, all the
• 27:15
  bangers. Oh man, dude, chills, bro,
• 27:18
  chills. He's so good, man.
• 27:19
  Truck stop Diaries. I mean Combell County blue.
• 27:22
  I mean Tennessee whiskey, Texas weed.
• 27:27
  I mean I remember when seeing Bowlin's first song, right it, I
• 27:30
  think it was. And I can't find it on CMT or on
• 27:32
  YouTube anywhere. I don't know if they had some
• 27:34
  dispute or whatever, but they had a song on CMT for a second.
• 27:37
  Really. It was one of the If you want to
• 27:40
  hear a love song. Oh, OK.
• 27:42
  It was something like if you want to hear a love song, I
• 27:45
  can't. I couldn't find it the other
• 27:46
  day. I was trying to tell somebody
• 27:47
  about it and I could not find it on YouTube or any on Wikipedia
• 27:50
  and I mean on, you know, Google or nothing.
• 27:52
  I'm like, did this some bad thing happen there and this had
• 27:54
  to get gone. But I remember seeing that and
• 27:56
  thinking, telling Wayne, I'm like, we got a shot bowling.
• 27:59
  They just got on and that. Me there, yeah.
• 28:01
  And when we got a shot, if we get the right package, put
• 28:03
  together the song and the album, like, you know, But yeah.
• 28:07
  Anyway, and then, and then Turnpike came out and, you know,
• 28:12
  they, they, they speak for themselves.
• 28:13
  Everybody loves Turnpike. You know, they, they've had such
• 28:16
  a good resurgence after, you know, God love Evan Felker after
• 28:19
  all he went through and he's he's.
• 28:21
  Yeah, You know, we, I told that on here the other day.
• 28:24
  We just played in Mescalero, NM recently, all of the Mountain
• 28:27
  Gods Casino up there, and we played in the showroom this
• 28:31
  time. But the last time we had played
• 28:32
  there, we played an outside thing during the summer and the
• 28:36
  opening band was Turnpike. And this was right before they
• 28:39
  took, this was a month before they took the break, and we're
• 28:42
  on hiatus for five years. This would have been in like 18
• 28:44
  or whatever, 19. And then, yeah, they're
• 28:47
  resurgence. They're killed in the next Fast
• 28:49
  forward. The next time I see him, I go to
• 28:50
  the Wharf and see him. Yeah.
• 28:52
  Which I was, which I was disappointed in our crowd.
• 28:55
  It was a good house, but it I was expecting better.
• 28:58
  But still I thought about that night.
• 29:00
  I'm like, if it wasn't for Jason Bowling, it wasn't for Kevin
• 29:01
  Fowler, If it wasn't for Ragweed and all those guys, a Texas,
• 29:05
  Oklahoma band don't get to come play a 10,000 seat venue in
• 29:07
  Alabama. If those guys, if Jason Bowling
• 29:10
  wouldn't have went to New York City and play for 200 people at
• 29:13
  some bar and on his way back and then played for 500 in Nashville
• 29:17
  to go back and play for 10,000 in Texas, if he wouldn't have
• 29:20
  made those trips and lost money, those bands would never get that
• 29:23
  opportunity. And I wish we'd have filled it
• 29:25
  up. But it was still a good house.
• 29:26
  I mean, there had to be 567000 people there.
• 29:28
  It was still a good house, a lot of the tops.
• 29:30
  But I had great seats. Nobody was encroaching on me.
• 29:32
  I left my normal seat, just found a space because I'm I'm
• 29:35
  all about. I just need my room.
• 29:36
  I like my space. And I didn't know anybody in
• 29:38
  their camp and I just want to support the 'cause I just want
• 29:40
  to pay up and get in. But they were great.
• 29:43
  Yeah. I don't really know anybody in
• 29:44
  their camp either, but I mean, they're they're a tight knit
• 29:47
  camp. From what I understand.
• 29:47
  A lot of them has been there since they want the whole band,
• 29:50
  as far as I know is day one. And I think a lot of the crew is
• 29:53
  too. They may have lost someone when
• 29:56
  they had to take a break back in, you know, 1819, whatever.
• 29:59
  But yeah, I mean, they killed it, you know, that it's, they
• 30:02
  have such a great sound. And then after, you know, being
• 30:04
  together for the last two or three years, ever coming back,
• 30:06
  you know, they they they've got their shit together.
• 30:08
  It's a great show. And they've got that one big
• 30:11
  climax song too, when they break out that song about the, you
• 30:15
  know, the one I can't think off the top of my head, but.
• 30:19
  Good Lord, glory. All day with the pay.
• 30:22
  Oh yeah, long hot summer day. Long hot summer day.
• 30:25
  That's that's a big that's a stadium, that's a big place song
• 30:30
  and then it's a sing along and it's quit.
• 30:32
  You can learn even if you never heard it.
• 30:33
  You learn the lyrics real quick. I mean, that's a, that's a
• 30:35
  thumper right there, buddy. Yeah, Yep.
• 30:37
  And then, you know, 25 minute changeover and then ragweed, you
• 30:42
  know, it's been the 2009 when they broke up.
• 30:47
  And you know what, 15 years, 16 years later and they just come
• 30:50
  back to it, man. Just a stadium full of people.
• 30:53
  And it was every single word of every song.
• 30:56
  Everybody, they knew it, everybody knew it.
• 30:58
  You know what I mean? And they he brought bowling out
• 31:01
  to do 17. He brought.
• 31:05
  And Cody and Cody had kept chopping wood all those years
• 31:08
  with the departed. He'd he, I mean those just
• 31:11
  insane with bowling. They just they didn't get their
• 31:14
  love when they should. I mean, they got it, but it
• 31:16
  didn't. It's just kind of like a lot.
• 31:17
  It's like I always say they shut down Opryland in Nashville right
• 31:20
  before the big boom. It's like those guys, they
• 31:22
  everybody gave up on them right before the resurgence.
• 31:25
  You know they're there and then you know what happens with the
• 31:28
  90s guys? They get their love.
• 31:29
  By the time you don't remember any of you, you start forgetting
• 31:31
  about all these guys are you don't give them the love they
• 31:33
  deserve. Everybody else is cooler than
• 31:35
  you. Oh, I forgot or which is hey, to
• 31:37
  me, it's better than waiting on them when they pass.
• 31:39
  I hate that shit in our business when people finally give
• 31:42
  somebody their love and I'm like y'all could have got that guy or
• 31:44
  gal on a show or a tour or something before it got to this
• 31:48
  if you really cared but now you can act like y'all were best
• 31:50
  friends. Right.
• 31:52
  Yeah, That makes me sick. I've seen a lot of that
• 31:54
  recently, especially during COVID when people were were
• 31:56
  dropping like flies. I hate to say it, but there were
• 31:59
  a lot of people that was like, man, you know, let's like John
• 32:02
  Prime, for example. Everybody wanted to be a John
• 32:05
  Prime fan when he passed away 15 years ago.
• 32:07
  Nobody, you know, around here, they were all bro country.
• 32:10
  They didn't. They didn't give a shit about
• 32:11
  John Prine. Right, yeah, name ME3 John Prine
• 32:13
  songs then if you if you missed John.
• 32:15
  Prine, you know what I mean, but.
• 32:17
  Sing Irish Dement's part of her song.
• 32:20
  Yeah. If you really love.
• 32:22
  It but you know, ragweed come out boy and they they killed it.
• 32:26
  It was just. I can't even describe it.
• 32:29
  It's just. So good.
• 32:30
  Just sit, just be in there. It was just a surreal moment to
• 32:33
  to. What was the walkout?
• 32:34
  What was the walkout? Did it was their announcement or
• 32:37
  was it a film thing or? The the the guy that was the the
• 32:41
  football coach when they were all in school, there he went and
• 32:45
  he must not have been a good coach because every time he went
• 32:47
  out, about 20% of the crowd Boo. Yeah, he got the Hulk Hogan
• 32:51
  treatment. Yeah, so he, he, he went out and
• 32:55
  did, you know, said some notes about all the guys and, you
• 32:59
  know, everything they had done. And then the first night,
• 33:02
  Thursday night, we weren't there.
• 33:03
  They walked out to the Taylor Swift song We're Never Getting
• 33:06
  Back Together, which I thought was hilarious.
• 33:09
  Wow, that's a good call. The next night they walked out.
• 33:13
  Was it Cowboys from hell? I think they walked out to
• 33:17
  Saturday night. I can't I can't remember what
• 33:20
  they walked out to Saturday night, but but it was like
• 33:23
  something something something different every night and they
• 33:25
  brought out three or four guests every night.
• 33:27
  Like I said, he brought Stoney out to do 17.
• 33:29
  I'm sorry, bowling out to do 17. He brought Stoney out to do
• 33:34
  something else. Brought Tanner Ushry, which is a
• 33:38
  new upcoming artist for those of y'all that don't know, to do a
• 33:41
  song. Brought Caitlin Butts out to do
• 33:44
  a song on Saturday night. Oh, brought he, Cody brought his
• 33:49
  kids out his, his young son, I believe Willie, he's a, he's a
• 33:52
  drummer and they had two, two kids on stage.
• 33:55
  So he brought his son out to play a song and he's got a son
• 33:59
  named Dierks Canada, which is named after Dierks Bentley
• 34:02
  because Cody and Dierks are boys.
• 34:04
  I didn't know that last couple years, but yeah, they're boys.
• 34:08
  So he brought Dirks out. Oh, he brought Dirks Bentley out
• 34:11
  Thursday night to actually do a song with him.
• 34:13
  Beautiful Dirks is so good. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:16
  Underrated hard working guy. You talk about a guy 25, eight
• 34:19
  there, that guy put it in. Sure, yeah, shout out I.
• 34:22
  Remember one time trying to take a fan photo for somebody outside
• 34:25
  of a gig in Nashville? One time for a label thing,
• 34:28
  Dirks drives his own truck up, jumps out, let's the valet guy
• 34:33
  go white truck. Yeah.
• 34:34
  And he jumps out with his guitar, let's the guy take the
• 34:38
  car, He's coming in. It's like a a Christmas party
• 34:40
  thing for the label, which was the Alan Jackson was the
• 34:44
  headliner, his whole band. And it did like everybody just
• 34:47
  like he. They only did full band.
• 34:48
  Everybody else was like acoustic and party that night when he did
• 34:52
  his songs, he had Keith Gaddis come up and play guitar with him
• 34:54
  on his songs. That was one of the longest
• 34:56
  times they ever got to interact with Keith.
• 34:58
  But Dirk's got out of his truck. They took the truck around.
• 35:01
  There's a couple of fans out there and they're wanting a
• 35:03
  picture and I'm like, I'll take it.
• 35:04
  So I'll take it and give it back.
• 35:06
  And he's like, was it good? And I was like, I'm sure it's
• 35:08
  all right. You know, I really, and he kind
• 35:09
  of corrected me on that, which was good because at the time I
• 35:12
  needed that. Now I do, I make sure I turn it
• 35:14
  around and look, make sure is good because that that fan only
• 35:16
  got that one shot. I was just trying to get him on
• 35:18
  in the building because I knew and he didn't have anybody with
• 35:20
  him. It was, you know, I was just, I
• 35:22
  thought I was doing my job, but the next layer of my job was
• 35:25
  make sure that picture was good for that fan too.
• 35:27
  And he wasn't don't have it any other way.
• 35:29
  And I thought I respect him for that, and I always thought that
• 35:30
  was cool. Yeah, Anytime I've ever been
• 35:32
  around him, he's always class act.
• 35:34
  You know, he's run into him at the Opry or award show or
• 35:37
  whatever like that. He's he's always been good
• 35:39
  people. And then put Charlie Warship in
• 35:41
  his warship in his band and all that, and it only makes sense
• 35:44
  because he's always had just a great band and a great sound.
• 35:47
  Yeah, yeah, Charlie, he's so good.
• 35:50
  Oh man Miss Miss Grenada, Mississippi so good.
• 35:53
  Don't sleep on Charlie warship y'all.
• 35:55
  Download some of his records, they're fantastic.
• 35:58
  So Dirks comes out Thursday night so but you're not there
• 36:00
  for that so but Friday. Night and then and Friday night
• 36:04
  he brought his son Dirk. Cody brought his son Dirks out
• 36:06
  to play guitar. He's a good guitar player.
• 36:08
  They did a song, 2 songs together.
• 36:10
  But man, it was just, I'll have to text you some videos.
• 36:12
  I mean, me and Dalton are just screaming at the top of our
• 36:14
  lungs every single word. And, you know, everybody around,
• 36:18
  like I said, the whole stadium knew every word to every song.
• 36:21
  Yeah, they just killed it. And they didn't, they didn't do
• 36:24
  the same setlist every night. You know, they did all the hits,
• 36:26
  dude. They played for shit two hours
• 36:29
  easily 9:30 to like 12-30, something like that.
• 36:33
  Every like all four nights. I mean, it was just just hit
• 36:36
  after hit after hit. It was incredible, you know, and
• 36:39
  the production was top of the line.
• 36:41
  It wasn't, you know, over the top like a like a pop show or
• 36:45
  nothing like that. But it was just enough.
• 36:46
  Like I said, they had imag on right and left, big upstage
• 36:49
  center video wall and it was on on automation so that it was
• 36:53
  like video they could split into fours or two.
• 36:57
  Yeah. And they had a lot of good
• 36:58
  content and they they really put a lot, a lot of time to like
• 37:03
  into the show to make it worth it for everybody.
• 37:05
  It was, it was incredible. And that's a budget saving tip
• 37:08
  for them to staying in the same city doing it multiple nights
• 37:12
  because that stuff's expensive. We talked about that on AI,
• 37:15
  don't remember who, I think maybe was gossip episode we did.
• 37:19
  That shit gets expensive quick when you start talking about
• 37:21
  walls and video and people to run all that.
• 37:23
  Yep, Yep, Yep. But yeah, man, it was I, I'd do
• 37:28
  it again in a heartbeat. I probably, I probably spent
• 37:30
  2500 bucks that you know, this past weekend on just the two
• 37:33
  days, but I I would do it again in a damn heartbeat.
• 37:37
  Man, make sure to send me those videos and we'll play some of
• 37:39
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• 37:44
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• 37:47
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• 37:50
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• 38:11
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• 38:19
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• 40:17
  the show here now. We'll get my little AD spill out
• 40:20
  of the way. Take care of little business
• 40:22
  there. Want to shout out also to Cody V
• 40:25
  for keeping this thing all put together every week.
• 40:27
  He does a great job. So but you got so you guys are
• 40:31
  at the ragweed show rocking and rolling.
• 40:33
  It's Friday night. You go drive back to the Airbnb.
• 40:37
  How who who's man in the wheel on that?
• 40:39
  It better not have been you. Well, no, we we were Ubering.
• 40:42
  Oh, you Uber. That's right.
• 40:43
  OK, that's right. I forget.
• 40:44
  I forget smart. Yeah, and I did a did a pro move
• 40:49
  about halfway into this hour drive.
• 40:51
  I'm like, we got to have some Taco Bell.
• 40:53
  Absolutely. I sent us some some Taco Bell to
• 40:56
  the house that got there right about the time we was getting
• 40:59
  there. Yeah.
• 41:01
  It'll get no better. Yeah, man.
• 41:04
  Yep. So we, we, we get back.
• 41:06
  I mean, I think we got back around 4:00 in the morning
• 41:08
  because we. Do they have a pool at the
• 41:10
  Airbnb? No.
• 41:11
  No, no, no pool. But but we because we went out
• 41:15
  after the show, you know, we got out at 12:30 or whatever.
• 41:18
  Hell, getting out of the stadium, whatever it so like I
• 41:20
  said, 48,000 people, it takes a while to get out of there.
• 41:23
  We get out and walk down, you know, down to the strip because
• 41:26
  you know, it's, it's still a college town.
• 41:27
  Right. So it's got bars and stuff,
• 41:29
  things to do. Strip a bar just like, you know,
• 41:31
  just like in Tuscaloosa, that strip of bars or whatever, it's
• 41:34
  like that, you know, 10 bars. So we just bounced around and
• 41:37
  boy, we had a good time. And then we we, you know, these
• 41:39
  new bars that have not a jukebox, but the touch tunes
• 41:42
  thing. Oh yeah.
• 41:43
  Million Dalton loaded about $40 and that touchdown.
• 41:46
  Shit, yeah, it was. Listening to the concert over
• 41:49
  again, buddy, we was like, Oh yeah.
• 41:51
  Oh, I torch people when I go to bars because they don't
• 41:54
  understand my level of commitment.
• 41:56
  Here there is that money. It don't matter buddy, I'll pay
• 41:59
  you if I want. If you're Miley Cyrus, I
• 42:02
  promise. Yeah, if I want to hear what I
• 42:04
  want to hear and I want to change the mood up in this room,
• 42:06
  there ain't no dollar amount I don't like.
• 42:08
  I said. I'm frugal about some things,
• 42:10
  but certain things like now we go, I think y'all need to hear
• 42:13
  some Robert Earl Keen up in this joint or some Bosefas or some or
• 42:17
  some just random rock'n'roll something that I'm vibing on.
• 42:20
  Like I was listening to Burt Baccharat before you came on,
• 42:22
  which is so random, you know, of all things.
• 42:24
  But if I'm in a vibe in a jazzy mood and I think it needs to get
• 42:28
  a little 1969 Burt Baccharat up in here touch tunes.
• 42:32
  Here's Here's $20 Make it rain. Those teams hate to see us
• 42:35
  coming buddy. I promise we don't wear them.
• 42:38
  So y'all are there reliving the concert as you should, Yeah, and
• 42:42
  and you're and then y'all go back and then re rinse and
• 42:45
  repeat for Saturday show, correct?
• 42:47
  Saturday Yeah Man St. Saint did y'all eat?
• 42:49
  Did y'all did y'all eat in Tulsa?
• 42:51
  Did y'all have like a big lunch late lunch in Tulsa or
• 42:53
  something? Get ready pre gaming.
• 42:54
  Not really. We had some food there at the
• 42:56
  house, you know, we snacked on and stuff and oh, and then we
• 43:00
  ordered some, some, some wings to the house, just, you know,
• 43:04
  just sitting around watching TV. We ordered us some wings.
• 43:07
  And so we, we were back to the to the venue or back to the
• 43:11
  stadium, whatever. And had us had this little meal
• 43:14
  there and we did it all over again.
• 43:16
  You know, it was the great divide.
• 43:18
  Started at 5, Stony right after him again, killed it, bowling
• 43:25
  and then Turnpike again. So it was the same, the same
• 43:29
  line. They did switch the order around
• 43:31
  a little bit for Thursday and Sunday, but Friday and Saturday
• 43:34
  was the same exact lineup. Stony bowling, Turnpike and then
• 43:40
  Ragweed. And then the guest for Saturday
• 43:44
  were a Wyatt Flores came out with a Turnpike and did a song
• 43:49
  with them. The Old Crow guys actually came
• 43:51
  out and did Wagon Wheel with Turnpike, which was cool.
• 43:56
  And then and then Caitlin Butts came out.
• 43:58
  Oh, so apparently they're doing a Bowling and the Stragglers
• 44:03
  tribute record and Caitlin Butts came out Friday night and did if
• 44:08
  I ever get back to Oklahoma with bowling.
• 44:12
  So I don't know what I have. I literally have no details, but
• 44:16
  I heard him say on the mic, we're doing a bowling tribute
• 44:19
  record. Here's a little taste of what
• 44:21
  it's going to be. And Caitlin came out and did
• 44:23
  that song. And so I'm, I'm anxious to see
• 44:25
  who all is on that because I'd imagine Stoney, Cody Wade, Randy
• 44:32
  Fowler, you know what I mean? Who who knows who knows who
• 44:35
  knows keen I mean, I mean who knows I mean any any and
• 44:39
  everybody that's available I'm sure would love to yeah and I
• 44:42
  and then Caitlin Butts is getting some love now on the on
• 44:46
  the big you know the Nashville radar.
• 44:48
  I've seen her on a couple of these lineups for for groupings
• 44:50
  of of next to Nashville type things.
• 44:52
  She's. Great.
• 44:53
  Forever, Yeah. Yeah, and it's just.
• 44:56
  Yeah, she's due for sure. Yeah, she's great.
• 45:00
  Oh man, I bet so. And then I saw on something did
• 45:03
  Parker McCullum come out with? That Sunday we weren't there,
• 45:06
  but that was Sunday. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:09
  I love Parker. He's he's great.
• 45:10
  He's he's killing it too, man. Yeah.
• 45:13
  You know, if I remember right, when I first met him years and
• 45:18
  years ago, Randy Rogers was managing him, if I remember
• 45:21
  correctly. But I mean, he was he attached
• 45:25
  to a rocket ship. That dude just.
• 45:27
  Oh yeah, he's so good, you know? Randy Rodgers, another one so
• 45:31
  good. Oh man.
• 45:32
  Buy Myself a Chance Party used to cover Buy myself a Chance
• 45:35
  Great great that. Great band, great tunes.
• 45:37
  Randy's awesome. Yeah, man, I love Randy.
• 45:40
  I love way there's there's so many of them out there that that
• 45:44
  out in, you know, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, stuff like
• 45:47
  that that they kill it. They may they may do you know,
• 45:49
  5000 tickets out there, but they come east of that Mississippi
• 45:53
  and they're just for whatever reason they.
• 45:54
  Can't. But you know, I, we've, I've
• 45:56
  talked about this before. It's hard for country acts just
• 46:01
  took the regular country acts to move tickets in the Southeast.
• 46:05
  Yeah, it has been, especially the last couple years.
• 46:08
  Everybody. It's no, not simply anybody out,
• 46:10
  it's everybody. It's everybody and if it's more
• 46:13
  of a straight traditional type country, unless it's AI mean a
• 46:17
  legacy act maybe or something, some of those.
• 46:19
  But it just seems it's always been that way, that the
• 46:22
  audiences are more receptive out West or up in the OR up in the
• 46:28
  Midwest. Yeah, Midwest always been a
• 46:31
  great crowd. Like everybody that I've ever
• 46:33
  toured with, like Midwest has always been great for.
• 46:35
  And you but you know, growing up in Alabama how it is, man, I, I
• 46:38
  said this on a podcast recently when you go to the biggest
• 46:41
  country, when I in the 90s, when I was growing up early 2000,
• 46:44
  you'd go to pure country in Montgomery after Jamie Johnson
• 46:47
  would take a break. Kurt Brewer would DJ playing the
• 46:53
  cheesiest. Rap.
• 46:56
  Pop hip hop that was, you know, on the radio at the time, just
• 47:00
  the the you know, the most standard issue stuff they had
• 47:04
  and that was what we get played. It was booty music and then we
• 47:06
  go to college, same thing band takes a break, booty music come
• 47:09
  on. And it was always seems like
• 47:10
  everybody's too cool for school and in the South or something.
• 47:13
  But you get out West, TX, everybody shows up early,
• 47:15
  represents Midwest and not not everywhere, but it just in the
• 47:19
  numbers. The numbers don't lie.
• 47:22
  But like just like that, you know those bands, you know that
• 47:24
  same tour where I said I saw Turnpike at the Wharf probably
• 47:29
  do 5000 tickets. Maybe they played the night
• 47:31
  before and somewhere West and did 12,000 tickets.
• 47:38
  You know, well, same the other week Sturgill canceled down here
• 47:42
  and the next night played in Birmingham.
• 47:44
  Well, they never gave an explanation, but you know, they
• 47:46
  they said it was the something about the promoter.
• 47:48
  But you know as well as I do being on the inside that could
• 47:51
  mean a flurry of things. It could have been anywhere from
• 47:57
  and then the artist didn't want to do it for whatever reason,
• 47:59
  had something double booked, need to go do something, need to
• 48:01
  get out of it for whatever reason, could have been a
• 48:03
  sickness of some sort. You said they'll use that if
• 48:05
  there is could be a venue problem, could have had an issue
• 48:09
  with the a permit for electrical or could.
• 48:11
  Have been. You know, and they, but they
• 48:13
  cancelled a week or so out. So they gave, they didn't cancel
• 48:15
  the day of. Yeah, they, they, they gave a
• 48:17
  big heads up. That's why it was like, or most
• 48:19
  likely to me and which I'm assuming what happened.
• 48:22
  Just be honest with you is ticket sales were low.
• 48:26
  Promoter took a wash, paid his deposit to Sturgill and said I'd
• 48:29
  rather lose, you know, whatever grand instead of three times
• 48:33
  that grand by having the show and not sell enough after having
• 48:36
  to rent the building and all that.
• 48:38
  I hope that's not the case. I can't They never gave an
• 48:40
  explanation though, so I don't know.
• 48:41
  But that proves right there. You know, someone like Sturgill
• 48:43
  even has a tough time way down in the South, you know, and it's
• 48:46
  just like, but if you had but if it's but if it's certain acts,
• 48:51
  if it's Morgan or if it's, you know, Hardy or or somebody like
• 48:56
  that, I'm sure it would be. Right, you know, I don't know
• 49:01
  man, I and I hate I hate that it's like that not I mean, I got
• 49:04
  nothing wrong with with the Morgan Wilins and the Hardys.
• 49:07
  No, them boys are killing it and and they're they're creating
• 49:13
  something that, you know, that will stick for a while.
• 49:18
  But it's crazy that Sturgill and Sturgill and, you know, Tyler
• 49:23
  Childers and Isabel and and Turnpike and ragweed aren't,
• 49:27
  aren't doing the same numbers as they are.
• 49:29
  Personally I think they should be but.
• 49:31
  That's just my. Face, I guess.
• 49:33
  I agree and you know, it's just your culmination of your
• 49:36
  influence is what I always say. You can't expect country to
• 49:40
  music in general to never evolve because new influences and
• 49:44
  sounds come in that are of, you know, 20 years later are going
• 49:47
  to influence that person that listened to it when they were
• 49:49
  young. You know, you think about it,
• 49:51
  Hank Williams and all that he off of his off of his influences
• 49:58
  were the Blues men that he would catch around in places and and
• 50:01
  the and the and the pickers that he got to encounter in his day.
• 50:04
  Same with Jimmy Rodgers and all them.
• 50:05
  Then you go up to like, you know, the air.
• 50:07
  We talked about the murals and Willie Whalen, all that air.
• 50:10
  What did they get? Let they listen to those guys
• 50:11
  who had those influences. But now there was also The
• 50:15
  Beatles and rock'n'roll and other things influence and other
• 50:17
  than Elvis and other sounds coming through so and so, you
• 50:20
  know, they didn't have rap and hip hop and and metal to draw
• 50:26
  from. But had they, I promise you a
• 50:28
  Waylon Jennings record would have had all that on it.
• 50:30
  And a Willie Nelson record would have had all that on it had that
• 50:32
  existed when they were teenagers.
• 50:34
  Because usually whenever you're a teenager is what you know,
• 50:37
  when you're first picking your own stuff and manifesting all
• 50:39
  that, your first experiences in life and consciousness as a
• 50:42
  teenager and stuff, that's probably going to be what you
• 50:45
  lean to. That's.
• 50:46
  What you shape your sound around.
• 50:47
  That's why a lot of. Country music early adulthood.
• 50:51
  That's why a lot of country views nowadays is starting to
• 50:54
  sound like the Tracy Lawrence's, the Clay Walker's, the Garth
• 50:58
  Brooks, because that's what we grew up on.
• 51:00
  And also listening to Megadeth and Slayer, you know what I
• 51:04
  mean? So in like that's what a lot
• 51:06
  that's I think Hardy is the perfect example of that myself.
• 51:09
  And and and then you go to Morgan and then you talking
• 51:11
  about Ludacris and Nelly and you know, depending on what you were
• 51:16
  listening to. But hey, man, Tim McGraw did
• 51:19
  that. Him and Nelly that over and over
• 51:20
  again. Do it.
• 51:21
  What year was that? 2005 probably.
• 51:23
  Yeah, well, it's always people are always going to have an
• 51:25
  opinion. It's like the Run DMC and
• 51:27
  Aerosmith thing. I mean, I thought, I thought we
• 51:29
  got it all out of the way with that.
• 51:30
  But no, we got to revisit. It's a it's a thing still every
• 51:33
  time we want to blend genres. You know, my I think it's turned
• 51:37
  into countries kind of like metal or, or metal is.
• 51:40
  I mean, there's so many sub genres, but you call, you call
• 51:43
  it, you still call it metal, but is but is you know?
• 51:47
  Metal and yeah, all kinds. I mean, there's.
• 51:50
  There's a million different types in there and and same with
• 51:54
  that when you got 'cause you got country, but that encompasses
• 51:57
  Americana neoclassical tradition or neo traditional country,
• 52:02
  metal country, modern hip hop country, pop country standards.
• 52:07
  You know, I mean, there's there's crooner type country
• 52:09
  stuff like the Brett Eldridge type stuff.
• 52:13
  Then there's red dirt, which is, which is like it's not really
• 52:16
  straight up country like you would think over here because
• 52:19
  you know, not as much fiddle and steel.
• 52:21
  But then you add that, but it's not necessarily western swing
• 52:23
  and it's not necessarily. And then you got the New Orleans
• 52:26
  sound, which is its own thing, and it's the Louisiana.
• 52:29
  And then you get up into Kentucky and West Virginia.
• 52:33
  You know, bluegrass and country. The lines are blended there too,
• 52:35
  just as much. And now with the advent of all
• 52:38
  this technology and kids and you can connect with everywhere,
• 52:40
  it's only it's only going to be it's only going to keep going
• 52:45
  that way. But it'll also people will dive
• 52:47
  into niche stuff, what they like.
• 52:49
  You don't have a Norah Jones coming along when she did, when
• 52:52
  Jazz was probably the least, you know, popular genre amongst, you
• 52:58
  know, the buying crowd at the time and become the star she had
• 53:01
  in the career she had. She didn't want to change the
• 53:04
  she want to do what she did. And that worked, you know, so
• 53:07
  they'll always be a space for that.
• 53:08
  And I, you know, I just think it's the only thing that gets me
• 53:13
  And this will be my only gripe if I had to say something,
• 53:15
  because the charts, you know, as much as it used to matter,
• 53:19
  doesn't as much, but it's still you got to figure out some way
• 53:24
  to chart these things and have classifications for them.
• 53:27
  If not, you know what I mean? I just think some stuff should
• 53:29
  be classified different and different genres.
• 53:31
  I just don't understand where we come up with these because
• 53:34
  there's stuff on the country charts that should be and would
• 53:38
  do well on the mainstream pop charts.
• 53:41
  And there's stuff on the pop charts that would work on and
• 53:46
  then the the just needs to find the format.
• 53:48
  And then when it comes to festivals and shows, my only
• 53:52
  thing is if you're going to have a music and arts festival,
• 53:54
  that's one thing and you're going to celebrate all different
• 53:57
  types of music and the thing. But if you say you're going to
• 53:59
  have this stone cold country event and then you don't have
• 54:02
  stone cold country, that these people who are just because
• 54:06
  they're a draw are taking spots that stone cold country should
• 54:10
  be and those audience would be there for.
• 54:13
  But and then the fans that do go because they know it's the
• 54:16
  country thing. Like where do all these kids
• 54:18
  come from? Oh, it's because the ACT they
• 54:19
  got. Yeah.
• 54:21
  And there's there's two big festivals that I know of that I
• 54:25
  know of that are kind of blending the lines on that is a
• 54:29
  rock. The South that's in Alabama,
• 54:31
  they're they're doing country and a little bit of more heavy
• 54:34
  rock stuff. And then what's it called that
• 54:37
  Rock the country festival that's like got Nickelback hit on him
• 54:40
  one night and then like Hank Junior the other night.
• 54:43
  They're doing a little bit of both, which I think is cool.
• 54:46
  ACL Fest always did a pretty good job.
• 54:49
  Yeah, South by Southwest, of course.
• 54:51
  South by Southwest, yeah, those type things.
• 54:56
  But I don't, I don't have any gripes with music.
• 54:57
  I've said this before, you know, just because I don't personally
• 55:00
  listen to it all the time doesn't mean it's not for every
• 55:04
  every it's a it's art. Like some people look at this
• 55:07
  Salvador Dali and they think, oh, that's cool.
• 55:08
  And some people look at it and think that's weird.
• 55:10
  You know, it's like everybody likes what they like.
• 55:12
  You know, some people don't like this voice or this type of
• 55:14
  sound. It's what resonates in your I
• 55:16
  always say it's the soundtrack to your life.
• 55:17
  It's what what kind of music I'm making this movie.
• 55:19
  I'm the director of this movie. What what music score Do I want
• 55:22
  to have a go along with each scene kind of deal, You know
• 55:24
  what I mean? And and I'm glad that, you know,
• 55:28
  like I went to that. We played This Country Thunder
• 55:30
  in Arizona the other day, and Keith Urban played and I
• 55:33
  thought. Oh yeah.
• 55:34
  You know, it was bad. I mean, there's 20 something
• 55:36
  1000 people there going nuts. And I'm thinking to myself like
• 55:38
  this is not nest. I wouldn't call this stone cold
• 55:41
  country. This is guitar driven.
• 55:43
  He's always been more of a rocker.
• 55:45
  Yeah, and it and it's but it's cool.
• 55:46
  But he he was, I was trying to explain this to Justin on the
• 55:49
  bus. I was like, he uses his guitar
• 55:50
  as an extension of his vocal. He's kind of like a almost like
• 55:53
  a Van Morris type music thing where it's just pouring out of
• 55:56
  him and he can't get it out with his mouth.
• 55:58
  So his guitar is his is his megaphone kind of deal.
• 56:01
  But he's absolutely a fantastic player.
• 56:05
  But those songs, I'm thinking like if you drop me off the, you
• 56:08
  know, off a bus and said you're country music, I wouldn't
• 56:10
  necessarily, I would have take me a SEC to to realize that
• 56:13
  because, you know, it's just not, it's not cowboy boots and
• 56:15
  hats and fiddles and, and, and, you know, in that whole, in that
• 56:19
  whole deal, but it's, but it's, but it's country.
• 56:22
  And he's been country for a long time and he's evolved and grown
• 56:25
  into what he's he's doing now, you know, but it and it was
• 56:29
  great. We're going on the road with
• 56:33
  him, you know, coming up, we got 55 shows with him.
• 56:36
  Yeah, I want to get into that. I want to get in what you're
• 56:38
  doing now. And I know I'm going to have you
• 56:40
  again on soon. So we'll go into more stories.
• 56:43
  We'll go in some different stories on that next time.
• 56:45
  But want to real quick go back down the origin story coming,
• 56:49
  Georgia Montgomery, going to Nashville as much as possible.
• 56:54
  When when do you start playing out?
• 56:57
  When do you meet Dalton Bush? Your one of your best friend
• 57:00
  who's there with you went to the concert, who is a fantastic
• 57:02
  artist himself that's tearing it up in the Southeast plays the
• 57:05
  floor. But I'm a good bit so I get to
• 57:06
  see him. But Dalton, Stone Cold outlaw
• 57:09
  country. When did when did you start
• 57:12
  playing out and, and, and that whole thing?
• 57:14
  And then how did that transition into having your first gig in
• 57:17
  Nashville and when and whenever in there did we meet?
• 57:20
  Because I'm trying to think about that.
• 57:23
  I remember you just came up and introduced yourself to me one
• 57:25
  time, I think at the floor of Bama.
• 57:26
  Bama, I'm pretty sure, yeah. So I mean, I started going out
• 57:29
  and playing bars and stuff before I could drive my my uncle
• 57:33
  and one of my cousins who who was a bit older than me, we, we
• 57:38
  were a trio. We were called the three piece
• 57:41
  mix. And extra sauce.
• 57:44
  And. You know, my, my uncle, the one,
• 57:49
  you know, my mom's brother, he did a lot of like, you know,
• 57:51
  Southern rock Skinner stuff. My cousin, he did a lot of like
• 57:55
  Van Morris, Van Morrison type stuff.
• 57:58
  And I was doing, you know, a little bit of Merle Haggard
• 58:02
  Waylon. And then also like I was like 15
• 58:04
  at a time. So what I thought was cool was
• 58:06
  what was on the radio too, which, which would have been a
• 58:09
  lot of people that I, you know, have come to become friends with
• 58:13
  now and worked around and stuff like that, you know, like Cole
• 58:17
  Swindell, Chase Rice, stuff like that.
• 58:20
  I was playing a lot of that. So I was like 15.
• 58:23
  I remember we were playing at a place called Mulligan's in
• 58:27
  Valdosta. It's actually the small town
• 58:29
  outside of Valdosta, Rimerton. I'm a little right there.
• 58:34
  They had, you know, 5-6 bars, whatever.
• 58:36
  And we, we were playing there and we were loading out.
• 58:38
  It was, you know, 3 in the morning or whatever and I'm got
• 58:41
  a handful of shit, two guitars, mic stands, whatever.
• 58:43
  I'm walking down the ramp outside and there's cops walking
• 58:47
  to every bar to make sure everybody's out of the bar.
• 58:49
  Like I said, it's like 233 o'clock and I'm 15 years old and
• 58:54
  I'm carrying my shit down and I just put my head down and keep
• 58:56
  walking like this. And my uncle, my cousin come
• 58:59
  beside me or behind me and they're like, hey, you need to
• 59:01
  sit in this truck until they're gone because you're going to get
• 59:03
  the bar shut down. You're going to get us put in
• 59:05
  jail. They're probably.
• 59:06
  And I'm assuming you didn't have a beard at 15?
• 59:10
  I've I've looked pretty similar to this since about 15.
• 59:14
  Not as thick, of course, but yeah.
• 59:17
  So you were trying. You were you?
• 59:18
  You didn't. You weren't fresh faced
• 59:19
  babyface. You were trying.
• 59:20
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I was growing in all
• 59:22
  white trashy like like I. Am that's what I always said
• 59:25
  yeah. It just grows naturally all
• 59:27
  white trashy like this but now it's coming into this it's
• 59:30
  actually I I would call it a beard.
• 59:31
  Finally, at 45 looking. Good.
• 59:33
  Yeah. So, yeah, that was like one of
• 59:36
  my first memories of of playing Bart.
• 59:38
  I was like 1415, you know, doing that.
• 59:42
  Like I said, I had to sit out and wait, you know, wait for the
• 59:44
  cops to leave before we could finish loading out.
• 59:47
  And then, you know, I played off and on.
• 59:50
  Hell still, even now, I'll go back for Christmas or
• 59:53
  Thanksgiving and me and Dalton will do us a duo every now and
• 59:56
  then, or I'll come. Well, you remember like a month
• 59:58
  or two months ago when we was down there to Bama, I had some
• 1:00:00
  time off. Dalton was playing a bunch of
• 1:00:02
  acoustic shows. Shit, I jump up there and play,
• 1:00:04
  have some fun. And then I met a guy named Jesse
• 1:00:10
  Keith Whitley. Oh I can't wait to have him on
• 1:00:13
  the show. I was like man, 15/16/17 because
• 1:00:21
  I met a guy named Robert Preston.
• 1:00:24
  I, I've always called him Bobby Robert Preston.
• 1:00:26
  He make guitar straps and we met through some mutual forensic
• 1:00:29
  bars or whatever. And that's how me and Jesse got
• 1:00:32
  to know each other and how I got to know a lot of people.
• 1:00:36
  And so I was kind of off and on like living on Jesse's couch
• 1:00:40
  when him and Ashley were married.
• 1:00:41
  This is way, way back was probably 3-4 years old running
• 1:00:46
  around, you know, And I would go out with them sometimes and sell
• 1:00:50
  merch for Lori or sell merch for Joe Diffie or whatever.
• 1:00:54
  And that's really like when I first started doing it was
• 1:00:57
  that's that's really from what I remember was them.
• 1:01:01
  Selling merch. But that was your first gig of
• 1:01:03
  selling merch? Selling merch, Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  So was mine. So was Jeff Gossett's.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah, so, so many people, you know, and people, you know,
• 1:01:12
  people always ask, how'd you get into this?
• 1:01:13
  And I was like, by accident, buddy.
• 1:01:15
  Yeah, I just love it so much. I was just willing to do
• 1:01:19
  whatever to, to be out there, you know?
• 1:01:22
  And then Fast forward a little bit, I'm, I'm going back to
• 1:01:25
  playing like full time writing a lot.
• 1:01:29
  My parents moved to Alabama full time.
• 1:01:31
  You know, when I was, like I said, when I was living in
• 1:01:33
  Georgia and Alabama before I moved up here full time, I was
• 1:01:36
  driving back and forth a lot or riding before I could drive.
• 1:01:40
  And I was playing full time. And then I moved to Alabama.
• 1:01:43
  And then I met, I met Davis Natick and Kyle Wilson and John
• 1:01:50
  George and all those guys one night at a place called the Loft
• 1:01:54
  that in Columbus, GA that my uncle Buddy owns.
• 1:01:58
  And he introduced me to them. And they just any, any time they
• 1:02:03
  were playing somewhere, I'd go see them, they'd invite me out.
• 1:02:07
  I got to where, you know, they were letting me come and do duo
• 1:02:09
  shows with them and stuff, just us and guitars and shit and got
• 1:02:14
  to play in a lot. Got to know Adam Hood through
• 1:02:16
  through Davis and Kyle and Kyle, Kyle's brother Chad too.
• 1:02:22
  Excuse me. And.
• 1:02:24
  Which is just awesome because Taylor Hicks said it on a
• 1:02:27
  podcast we did together one time.
• 1:02:29
  All in Alabama, all musical roads lead back to Wayne Mills.
• 1:02:32
  Yeah, for sure. And.
• 1:02:34
  Wayne was Big Brother to everyone you just mentioned, and
• 1:02:37
  brothers with Adam Hood and I mean, yeah.
• 1:02:40
  Yep, and you know, I was influenced my my music style
• 1:02:44
  changed, you know, as as I grew up from being 1516 to, you know,
• 1:02:49
  18/19/20 and on, you know, changed from when I was younger
• 1:02:53
  more more of the radio pop country stuff.
• 1:02:55
  And then I got to in dive into the Texas stuff in the red dirt
• 1:02:59
  and and the outlaw and that's here, you know, hearing Kyle and
• 1:03:04
  Wayne and and Davis and and Josh Newcomb and Hal Bruni and you
• 1:03:09
  know, the list goes on and on as you know.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah, I got to just I was so young.
• 1:03:14
  I was always the youngest one and everybody just just treated
• 1:03:18
  me like a little brother and just took me wherever and and I
• 1:03:20
  was just along for the ride always.
• 1:03:23
  I was down for whatever. And how old at this age were
• 1:03:25
  you? I couldn't legally drink 1920
• 1:03:28
  maybe You know what? I mean, so like when I met
• 1:03:30
  Wayne, I was about 22, so same thing.
• 1:03:34
  I was barely. One on the road with river dam.
• 1:03:36
  Wow. Yeah, we were.
• 1:03:38
  We did two shows that day. We did a frat party in Auburn
• 1:03:41
  and a private party somewhere in Florida.
• 1:03:44
  And I've been on, you know, I've been out with with with Dan.
• 1:03:48
  And because Davis was managing and playing bass for him at the
• 1:03:51
  time, Teardrop was playing guitar and Waylon Davis playing
• 1:03:53
  drums. And Dan is that or I can't
• 1:03:57
  remember if it was Dan or Waylon.
• 1:03:58
  I think it was Dan that started the Rowdy Randall in the band he
• 1:04:01
  handles. That was that was back then.
• 1:04:03
  I was, like I said, probably 20 because I turned 21 on the road
• 1:04:07
  with them. I got the.
• 1:04:09
  Yeah, boy. Everybody out there looking,
• 1:04:12
  there's Boyd's sticker there. Rowdy Randall in the band he
• 1:04:15
  handles. Great name.
• 1:04:17
  Great name. I have it on my hat box and the
• 1:04:21
  hat I've got in here. I retired off the the hat I have
• 1:04:24
  in here. I retired off the road because
• 1:04:26
  the the last time I wore this, we did a show with Granger Smith
• 1:04:30
  and it was his last show on his farewell tour.
• 1:04:33
  And at the end of the night or during the day, we had rain all
• 1:04:36
  day and we had rain all day and mud this, we were playing this
• 1:04:41
  place outside. It was muddy.
• 1:04:43
  I mean, it was just incredible. It's around the 4th of July, I
• 1:04:46
  think. And there was so much mud that
• 1:04:48
  it was up on the trucks and stuff.
• 1:04:50
  And it dripped on my hat, as you can see.
• 1:04:53
  And I tried every way to clean this this hat to get it off so
• 1:04:58
  it doesn't like it has bird shit on it and it's mud.
• 1:05:01
  It's not bird shit. But I couldn't get it off.
• 1:05:02
  So now I've kind of retired this hat and this is a is a.
• 1:05:05
  Was that that was that that it was like a like a racetrack mud
• 1:05:09
  part thing up in Pennsylvania? Yes, we did that last year with
• 1:05:12
  Jansen. Because I remember talking about
• 1:05:14
  it. Yeah, I Remember Me and you
• 1:05:15
  talking on the phone like when I after I advanced the show or
• 1:05:18
  maybe after the show or or something like that.
• 1:05:20
  I Remember Me and you talking about it.
• 1:05:23
  So you go from 21 turning 21 on the road as all Rockstar stories
• 1:05:29
  start, to then and you're friends with Jesse Keith
• 1:05:34
  Whitley, son of the late, great Keith Whitley and the fantastic
• 1:05:38
  Lori Morgan. And I love Jesse Keith.
• 1:05:40
  I can't wait to him have him on the show because he's one of the
• 1:05:42
  few guys when I go to one of these events where we've all got
• 1:05:45
  to go to for a legend or something that I know I've got
• 1:05:49
  to step my game up because Jesse Keith is bringing the heat.
• 1:05:52
  He's going to be dressed to the 9.
• 1:05:53
  That's a new pair of boots, new pearls every time.
• 1:05:56
  He's going to be looking sharp, have that beard razored edged
• 1:05:59
  and and that go give me a nice jewelry.
• 1:06:01
  So you know, I got to double down on all my bling and all my
• 1:06:05
  my decor, which if anybody sees me at the shows currently, that
• 1:06:10
  felt cowboy hat I've got on it. It's got a bear paw on the side,
• 1:06:15
  turquoise bear paw, hat, pen and that I got that from brother
• 1:06:18
  Boyd. So if y'all see me to show, I'll
• 1:06:20
  show it to you. I'll show it to you.
• 1:06:22
  But I appreciate that help my bling collection.
• 1:06:25
  But so you meet, you know, Jesse Keith, you're out on the road
• 1:06:27
  with all these regional stars because if you don't, all these
• 1:06:30
  names go back, rewind this, listen all those names and see
• 1:06:33
  if and find those people because all of these people are
• 1:06:36
  fantastic artists, songwriters, entertainers in their own right.
• 1:06:40
  You're going to hear me talk about Adam Hood basically every
• 1:06:42
  episode I ever do on here because.
• 1:06:43
  He's one of my favorites. Adam like right after that.
• 1:06:47
  And dude is there. Have you ever met a more hard
• 1:06:49
  working guy? That's his talent.
• 1:06:51
  Is he? You talk about somebody needs
• 1:06:52
  his due. Buddy, you ain't kidding.
• 1:06:55
  You ain't lying. I mean, no, nobody, and I've you
• 1:06:58
  and I both have worked with a ton of great artists and hard
• 1:07:02
  working artists, but I swear there is nobody that works
• 1:07:06
  harder than that dude right there and and you know, just
• 1:07:09
  been at it for so long. We would play at the supper club
• 1:07:13
  and he would stop by because he played somewhere else and would
• 1:07:15
  say hey, have a let everybody have a beer or whatever.
• 1:07:18
  I don't know if he was drinking then, I guess he still was.
• 1:07:19
  But then they would get in the minivan, him and Patty and
• 1:07:22
  whoever would go in a minivan and be going to Texas to play an
• 1:07:26
  afternoon show on Sunday. Then they play there all week.
• 1:07:29
  He might have to fly to Nashville to do a song, right?
• 1:07:31
  And think the band drive back. Then they play back in Opelika
• 1:07:34
  on a Friday. He did that for years.
• 1:07:36
  And anyway, yeah, I can't get somebody give Adam Hood his damn
• 1:07:40
  do y'all go look up every go go buy every Adam Hood record.
• 1:07:43
  There is a promise. You there ain't a bad one.
• 1:07:45
  And then the proofs in the pudding with everybody who's
• 1:07:48
  coming up Bloodline, The rise of the Muscati Bloodline is is so
• 1:07:51
  awesome for me because I hear in their songs the hood influence
• 1:07:54
  and obviously wrote a lot of them and stuff and I'm just
• 1:07:56
  like, yes, they get it like I do.
• 1:07:57
  And they do a great job flipping it around in their style.
• 1:08:00
  Yeah, and man, you know. Caleb King.
• 1:08:03
  Also Caleb King. Is a couple.
• 1:08:05
  Love that dude. Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  He's the He's awesome. One of those people that you
• 1:08:09
  know he he's not selling 510 thousand tickets but those
• 1:08:13
  people that are selling 5 or 10,000 tickets, they are the
• 1:08:16
  biggest Adam Hood fans you'll ever absolutely he is he is one
• 1:08:19
  of those guys that's just famous to the famous people you.
• 1:08:21
  Know if I. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:08:23
  If I ever meet new people from Texas and I don't have an in, I
• 1:08:26
  always say I'm from Alabama where Adam Hood's from.
• 1:08:29
  And that that usually we love Adam Hood.
• 1:08:31
  We love that. That always works, yeah.
• 1:08:34
  For sure, every time. Yeah, I was on the road with
• 1:08:37
  Adam, you know, tour manager and selling merch to and and driving
• 1:08:41
  because you know, when I was with Adam, I know he's he's kind
• 1:08:44
  of had a bus off and on here and there over the years and stuff.
• 1:08:46
  But it was me and him in the band driving his SUV.
• 1:08:49
  He had a Ford Flex, a baby shit green Ford Flex that he had
• 1:08:52
  forever. He finally retired in these past
• 1:08:55
  couple years, but may I think he probably had shit.
• 1:08:59
  No kidding. 4 or 500? 1000, I remember that.
• 1:09:02
  That's one of the ones I'm talking about.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah, I remember that Van. Yeah, I did a lot with him.
• 1:09:07
  We'd go, we'd leave some party over there and I'd be tagging
• 1:09:10
  along just so I could have to go to someone's place to drink and
• 1:09:13
  crash on their couch still because I didn't have a spot in
• 1:09:15
  Auburn. And I'd go with Hood and we'd
• 1:09:17
  end up over at Chris Posey's house and Joe Wright, Chris
• 1:09:21
  Steven Sorrells would be there. You remember Coach Sorrells?
• 1:09:24
  Yeah, yeah, vaguely. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:26
  But dude, this is funny. That's his sister.
• 1:09:29
  I saw her at Wayne Mills event and she had these little she had
• 1:09:32
  these little pictures of him as a kid made into stickers.
• 1:09:35
  I can't wait to see coach stalls.
• 1:09:36
  Well, coach Sawles was Joe Wright's original Rd. manager
• 1:09:39
  when I first met Wayne Mills and Steven was like me.
• 1:09:42
  He was just, you know, out of college.
• 1:09:44
  He was like a he's end up being a famous high school base
• 1:09:48
  football coach and now he's coaching in the Canadian
• 1:09:49
  football leagues as a offensive line coach up there.
• 1:09:53
  Been doing it for years, doing great, got some champ big
• 1:09:55
  hardware from winning. But he's one of the ones that
• 1:09:57
  taught me the ropes right out the hole with how to do anything
• 1:10:00
  because I didn't know anything I didn't do.
• 1:10:01
  I didn't have anybody who played.
• 1:10:02
  I didn't know anybody in the band.
• 1:10:04
  I met one Wayne. He said you're pretty sharp on
• 1:10:06
  your feet late at night. You might as well be in the
• 1:10:08
  music business. I said, how do I do that?
• 1:10:10
  Well, first I said I'm from Atlantic, Alabama, might as well
• 1:10:12
  be a damn astronaut. How do you get in the music
• 1:10:13
  business? He said, come to Tuscaloosa on
• 1:10:16
  Tuesday. I introduced to my Rd. manager,
• 1:10:17
  you can hang out, help sell shirts, see, see how you like
• 1:10:20
  it, that the rest is history. And then I went up there and saw
• 1:10:23
  that show and like I thought Wayne was like a young Charlie
• 1:10:25
  Daniels going back to that. And I just thought Charlie
• 1:10:27
  Daniels 2 point O Allman Brothers redneck hippie.
• 1:10:31
  This I'll hitch my flag to this. This is exactly what I'm about.
• 1:10:34
  Party time, good old boys, Roll Tide, love the South, love Mama
• 1:10:40
  eating and drinking and having a good time.
• 1:10:41
  Country music, Southern rock, jam band music.
• 1:10:45
  Because Wayne's band was more like, kind of like I always say.
• 1:10:47
  Now Justin's band is like a Southern rock band, a classic.
• 1:10:51
  Rock band at the time. With a with a country singer,
• 1:10:53
  Wayne's band was a jam band. With a big cowboy singer was
• 1:10:57
  basically Wayne's band. When I met Wayne was Dave Peso
• 1:11:00
  Woast on guitar, Adam Guthrie on guitar, Will Hudson on drums,
• 1:11:08
  Stacey Stacey Morris on bass and Trey Evans on piano.
• 1:11:12
  Yeah, well, that's powerhouse. And Bran Beasley, Bran Balls
• 1:11:16
  Beasley was the road manager merch guy.
• 1:11:18
  And he let me work under him until one night Wayne hastily
• 1:11:23
  made the decision in the econo palace next to the supper club
• 1:11:27
  that the executive decision had been made and I would be the new
• 1:11:30
  road manager. And I'm like, I'm hammered and
• 1:11:33
  me and Bran are partying and I'm Bran like I look over and he, I,
• 1:11:36
  I didn't know it was coming either.
• 1:11:38
  I'm like, I, I don't want Bran's good.
• 1:11:40
  Let Bran keep doing it. I'm good.
• 1:11:42
  I'll just hang out. Be the go get it guy and but so
• 1:11:46
  anyway. When you were when you were on
• 1:11:48
  the road with Wayne, was Rowdy ever on the road with Y'all?
• 1:11:51
  No, we met Rowdy later. This was Kurt and all them.
• 1:11:54
  That was after I had left Wayne. I, Wayne and I, I left Wayne,
• 1:11:57
  which is funny. Coming up, we're playing in
• 1:11:59
  Talladega the end of this month, the night before the race, and
• 1:12:04
  the last time I played Talladega, we opened for 38
• 1:12:11
  Special there and I think Shooter Jennings also, and that
• 1:12:15
  was the night Wayne and I broke up.
• 1:12:17
  Oh, I've. Heard so that would have been O
• 1:12:20
  about O 6, I think, and then after that and so when I but
• 1:12:27
  when I was with Wayne, when Jamie Johnson was our open, it
• 1:12:29
  would come open acoustic and we would have to try to give out
• 1:12:31
  Jamie Johnson. They call me country albums to
• 1:12:34
  bark to club owners to try to get them to pay him a couple 100
• 1:12:37
  bucks to open and they wouldn't do it.
• 1:12:38
  So Wayne would just pay him out of our cut and stuff like that.
• 1:12:41
  But then Fast forward to I'm doing Southern Hauler, Wayne's
• 1:12:46
  still doing stuff with Jamie, I meet Jon Pardi, Wayne's out on
• 1:12:49
  the road with Jamie and he Rowdy's doing that record on him
• 1:12:53
  and stuff. During that time, Wayne and I
• 1:12:55
  were estranged. We were still friends and
• 1:12:57
  obviously I wish if I could go back in time, I'd have done a
• 1:12:59
  lot of things different. Sure, he would have as well when
• 1:13:02
  it comes to our deal there, but we never had any hard feelings.
• 1:13:06
  He was still my Big Brother. It was a pissy family matter
• 1:13:09
  more than anything between me and him.
• 1:13:12
  But it wasn't nothing, you know, too crazy just had to happen at
• 1:13:15
  that point. And we made amends and we're
• 1:13:18
  brothers. And I was so glad we got to
• 1:13:20
  catch up because I would go chase him down anywhere I could
• 1:13:22
  there once I got in a situation where I can get around better.
• 1:13:26
  And we, we, we hashed and there was no, no problems, no problem.
• 1:13:31
  So that was great. But but yeah, that was prior to
• 1:13:33
  Rowdy Jason Cope and and and cutting those records when he
• 1:13:37
  went out to went out to California and did those records
• 1:13:40
  and stuff with actually people don't know this either.
• 1:13:43
  That's one of the first records Dave Cobb ever did when he came
• 1:13:46
  to town was a Wayne Mills band record.
• 1:13:48
  Really. Which one was the the one?
• 1:13:50
  Was the same one Rowdy worked on.
• 1:13:52
  I think it was all that that was the awesome.
• 1:13:55
  What was that not last honky tonk?
• 1:13:59
  Not it was the before the last honky tonk.
• 1:14:01
  I think so it was. The one before that or did.
• 1:14:05
  Which sucks because you can't find all these records on
• 1:14:07
  iTunes. I need to get with and I've
• 1:14:09
  talked with the family and obviously they told me to do
• 1:14:11
  whatever I just need to get. I need to take the reins on that
• 1:14:15
  and get that handled for them. Yeah, yeah, You know, so after
• 1:14:19
  talk, just talking about Rowdy or whatever, you know, after
• 1:14:21
  Hood, I was on the road with Hood.
• 1:14:23
  You know, Brittany would come out with us some and it was a
• 1:14:27
  lot of acoustic stuff or he had he I don't know if he still, I
• 1:14:30
  don't know. I don't think he still does.
• 1:14:31
  At the time he had two bands, a band for the Southeast and a
• 1:14:34
  band in Texas. And so me and Adam and Brittany
• 1:14:38
  and the girls would ride out there and meet the the band in
• 1:14:41
  Texas. And so like, you know, his 2 not
• 1:14:44
  not the oldest girl. Damn, I'm drawing a blank.
• 1:14:50
  Ashland is his oldest daughter. And then Edie, Edie is
• 1:14:55
  obviously, you know, named after Jason and them.
• 1:14:57
  She was the youngest and she was like, I mean, an infant on the
• 1:15:01
  road. And Drew is 3-4 years old at the
• 1:15:07
  time. And Edie is like, like I said,
• 1:15:10
  in in a car seat, in diapers, can't talk infant, you know what
• 1:15:13
  I mean? I saw they were on the road with
• 1:15:14
  us, you know, a couple times, maybe once a one weekend a month
• 1:15:18
  or something like that. They would go out with us.
• 1:15:21
  And then I quit, quit going out with Adam as much.
• 1:15:25
  And I was going back and playing full time.
• 1:15:28
  And then Davis called me one afternoon because I had a me and
• 1:15:32
  Dalton had a house gig in Montgomery on Thursday nights at
• 1:15:36
  a place called Rick and Moe's. And every Thursday and that
• 1:15:40
  place, we pack it out, man. It took a couple years to get
• 1:15:42
  there. It went from, you know, two
• 1:15:44
  people to 10 people to 50 people to about 200 or something after
• 1:15:50
  two or three years. And one Friday I was hungover, I
• 1:15:53
  mean, on my deathbed as I was most Friday mornings.
• 1:15:57
  And I got a phone call from Davis and it was like, hey, man,
• 1:16:01
  I need you to drive to Nashville to drive the Stillwoods this
• 1:16:04
  weekend. Their driver fell through or
• 1:16:05
  whatever. And I always, you know, from the
• 1:16:09
  first time I heard a big fan of steel woods.
• 1:16:12
  Oh yeah. And you know, I loved Rowdy.
• 1:16:14
  And you know, Wes is from Alabama.
• 1:16:17
  And then Johnny Stanton was on bass and Jay took playing drums
• 1:16:21
  and just a monster band. So you did a big So you did a
• 1:16:25
  big Gator tail and drove your ass to Nashville.
• 1:16:27
  And got my ass in my, I mean, like I said, I woke up at, you
• 1:16:30
  know, the crack of noon and got out and drove straight to
• 1:16:34
  Nashville. Got there, you know, 4-5 and
• 1:16:36
  then jumped in. That jumped in the I think we
• 1:16:38
  were in a church bus. Yeah, church bus.
• 1:16:42
  I drove the church bus and I started, I started full time
• 1:16:46
  with them. After that first weekend, it
• 1:16:48
  just clicked and I was full time with them.
• 1:16:50
  And This is why if anybody ever complaints to me about how
• 1:16:53
  shitty their gig is or how much they're working, we were in a
• 1:16:57
  church van. Sometimes the van, the van
• 1:16:59
  caught on fire on us two or three times and then we were in
• 1:17:04
  a like a church conversion bus thing.
• 1:17:06
  And then we were in not a sprinter van, but a just a
• 1:17:09
  regular 15 passenger and finally moved up to a bus.
• 1:17:12
  But there was one weekend we had like four or five different
• 1:17:16
  configurations of van, trailer, church bus, trailer, bus
• 1:17:21
  trailer. The trailer took a shit on us.
• 1:17:23
  We had to go buy a trailer, went in and cross loaded in the
• 1:17:27
  middle of the night. Oh yeah, ain't nothing like the
• 1:17:30
  transmission going out and and and they put I remember one time
• 1:17:33
  going down to the keys to do some gigs with Southern Hall.
• 1:17:35
  The transmission went out in Live Oak.
• 1:17:36
  We got to shoot on a Sunday, of course, our day between yeah,
• 1:17:39
  day between Biloxi and and Ala Mirada and get a shade finally
• 1:17:43
  trying to find some. We're five of us in a hotel room
• 1:17:46
  trying to save some money, trying to find a shade tree
• 1:17:48
  mechanic. He puts one in me and Terry.
• 1:17:51
  I think Terry came up with the money and it was supposed to be
• 1:17:55
  right. Of course, we realized, you
• 1:17:57
  know, a couple hours down the road, it wasn't the right kind
• 1:17:59
  or something. So we're having to stop
• 1:18:00
  literally every 75 miles to put transmission fluid in this thing
• 1:18:04
  all the way down there. We get there, we're like, great,
• 1:18:05
  we got two weeks. Then on the way back to
• 1:18:07
  Nashville, stop at every 75 miles from Key West to
• 1:18:10
  Nashville, buddy. That's a long haul.
• 1:18:13
  I took that van, parked it in my front yard, put $600 in shoe,
• 1:18:18
  shoe Polish on the front, 600 cash and I went over there and
• 1:18:21
  got a loan, a loan, borrowed some money for my grandmother
• 1:18:23
  and went and bought the 12 passenger Whitey Ford van that
• 1:18:28
  is still in service today with Jared Hovis driving it.
• 1:18:31
  That was the party bus all those years that I sold back to John
• 1:18:34
  Party. That was.
• 1:18:35
  I wouldn't sold it that day because I was like, I can't deal
• 1:18:38
  with this no more. Because we had been on a couple
• 1:18:40
  of weeks of that, like the week before something happened and we
• 1:18:42
  had to go, you know, two hours South of Nashville, had to get
• 1:18:44
  somebody to come get us, bring me back home to get my truck to
• 1:18:47
  go back and get the trailer. Oh yeah.
• 1:18:50
  So, so at that time when I was with the Steel Woods, it started
• 1:18:54
  out with me just driving and like selling merch a little bit.
• 1:18:57
  But then it turned into driving the van, selling merch, half ass
• 1:19:04
  running monitors and like guitar changes.
• 1:19:07
  And then I was still doing like a 30 minute opening acoustic
• 1:19:11
  slide. It turned into it, you know, it
• 1:19:13
  started, but it's like, I've always been that guy.
• 1:19:16
  Tour manager has to wear a lot of hats, buddy.
• 1:19:18
  I wasn't even the tour manager at the time.
• 1:19:20
  The guy a guy named Garrett was my was still one of my best
• 1:19:22
  friends. I lived with him till about a
• 1:19:24
  year or two ago. He was running front of house
• 1:19:28
  and the tour manager and I was driving the van selling merch.
• 1:19:32
  Like I said, half assed, kind of running monitors, doing guitar
• 1:19:35
  changes and then I would do like a 30 minute opening acoustic
• 1:19:38
  slot. Wow.
• 1:19:40
  So yeah, you can't say we didn't earn it.
• 1:19:43
  Absolutely, yeah. I I feel like and I feel like
• 1:19:46
  it's almost a disservice if you came up and went straight to a
• 1:19:48
  bus. I was like, you don't, you don't
• 1:19:50
  get the full experience. If you went straight to a bus
• 1:19:52
  and I get it, I would have, I would have taken that chance to,
• 1:19:54
  I would have taken that opportunity had I gotten it.
• 1:19:57
  But in retrospect, coming up from the stocks.
• 1:20:00
  From the bottom, going through learning how every aspect of the
• 1:20:03
  business works from that level up.
• 1:20:05
  So you then you can have some perspective when you're talking
• 1:20:07
  with someone who had to go through that and it being a tour
• 1:20:10
  manager, knowing how coming in at merch and all these other
• 1:20:14
  roles and doing all. Then when you get to the level
• 1:20:16
  where you're a successful tour manager for a big act, you know
• 1:20:20
  what everybody else's jobs are supposed to be at least
• 1:20:22
  somewhat. You have some reference for it.
• 1:20:24
  So you can. You're not micromanaging, but
• 1:20:26
  you're making sure they're on task and you're giving them the
• 1:20:28
  resource and tools they need to be successful.
• 1:20:30
  It's a lot easier when you've done that job.
• 1:20:32
  Yeah, I was about to say, you know, I think it makes me a
• 1:20:34
  better tour manager to know I've done every job on the road other
• 1:20:39
  than like front of house and LD, you know what I mean?
• 1:20:42
  And. You've done that at a small
• 1:20:43
  level at bars and clubs. Same.
• 1:20:46
  That's what I always say I've done.
• 1:20:47
  I could still go do that. I still do it at the floor.
• 1:20:49
  Bam. I did it for Craig Campbell and
• 1:20:50
  them two weeks ago. But that's our little PA there.
• 1:20:52
  I know how to run it. But as far as that big stuff we
• 1:20:55
  have on the road, all that shit just ain't no way, man.
• 1:20:58
  Yeah, but you know, yeah, I've done it all.
• 1:21:00
  He'll I had a bus driver pass out at a fuel pump one time and
• 1:21:03
  I had to drive the bus the rest of the weekend.
• 1:21:05
  I had a truck driver not show up one time.
• 1:21:07
  I had to drive the truck and tour manage.
• 1:21:09
  You know what I mean? Like.
• 1:21:10
  You just get it done. You just get it done.
• 1:21:12
  It don't. That's what it goes back to,
• 1:21:14
  that there is no margin. It's just all got to get done.
• 1:21:17
  There ain't no, well, we got most of it done today.
• 1:21:18
  No, it's all got to get done every day.
• 1:21:20
  It ain't like, Oh yeah, we'll just leave that one bus here,
• 1:21:23
  We'll leave that one truck here. Like that's not an option.
• 1:21:25
  No, no. So you go from driving and doing
• 1:21:28
  12 jobs with the steel woods and this must have been about the
• 1:21:32
  time we met somewhere in this era here.
• 1:21:34
  Has to. How did you, how did, how did
• 1:21:37
  you know to come talk to me that day?
• 1:21:39
  Because I was at, I'm, if I'm remembering correct, it was when
• 1:21:43
  I was in between Adam Hood in the steel woods.
• 1:21:45
  Me and Davis were down at the Bama probably, you know, we were
• 1:21:48
  probably supposed to be there for a day or two days and got
• 1:21:50
  stuck for two weeks. You know how that whole deal is.
• 1:21:52
  Me and Jason Parker used to do that every summer a couple of
• 1:21:55
  times. And so me and Davis were playing
• 1:21:59
  and I was, I don't know, 2223 mate.
• 1:22:04
  I'm no, I couldn't have been that old because when I was
• 1:22:07
  with, because I remember when I was 23, that was when I started
• 1:22:09
  with Clay Walker. So I, I had to have been younger
• 1:22:11
  than that. And so me and David were down
• 1:22:13
  there playing and Jordan Rager was hot at the time.
• 1:22:16
  He had just, he had just hit and he was on tour with y'all doing
• 1:22:20
  acoustic opening with for Justin.
• 1:22:22
  And I was a big Jordan Rager fan and I played all out of beer.
• 1:22:27
  And Dave was like, hey, you need to go talk to this guy.
• 1:22:30
  He was with Wayne. He's with Justin Moore now.
• 1:22:32
  And I was like, man, so I just talked.
• 1:22:34
  And I probably talked your damn ear off for two.
• 1:22:36
  Hours I do remember that now you saying I'm a big fan of Jordan
• 1:22:40
  Rager and I was like oh that's cool he's out open the tour for
• 1:22:42
  us man he's great and joy anybody doesn't know Jordan
• 1:22:44
  Rager is fantastic He when I met him he was out on tour with us
• 1:22:49
  doing acoustic. Then he brought his full band,
• 1:22:50
  which is full band at the time, included a left-handed guitar
• 1:22:53
  player named Travis Denning. But Jordan's from North Georgia
• 1:22:58
  and he still, I know he was doing some Whiskey Wednesday
• 1:23:00
  things with songs and stuff, but he's such a good singer and
• 1:23:03
  songwriter. I think that's kind of more what
• 1:23:05
  he's doing. I know he's still doing.
• 1:23:06
  A lot of writing now. I don't know write.
• 1:23:08
  As much, but he's writing a ton. Yeah, and.
• 1:23:11
  He's. Never really tight, we've met
• 1:23:13
  him times out, drinking buddies and stuff like that, but I've
• 1:23:16
  always been a real big fan of his.
• 1:23:17
  Me too, and his brothers are all cool.
• 1:23:19
  His parents are great and his uncle's a knucklehead.
• 1:23:24
  He's got two brothers at least. Is his dad a preacher or one of
• 1:23:28
  his brothers? Who was the?
• 1:23:29
  Leader, yes, his and his and his brother works as a bigwig in
• 1:23:32
  that world of of of of content and stuff.
• 1:23:36
  And they're all. Faith, Christian world.
• 1:23:37
  Yeah. And his and his uncle is we used
• 1:23:40
  to come to shows all the time, but he was more like one of us.
• 1:23:42
  He was looking for the beer cooler.
• 1:23:43
  You know, they were they were who?
• 1:23:45
  But he was great. So yeah, that that that must
• 1:23:46
  have been about that time. And we met down there at the
• 1:23:51
  floor, world famous floor Bama, which thanked them for
• 1:23:53
  everything they always do for us and.
• 1:23:55
  You know what I think? I don't even know if I was old
• 1:23:58
  enough to drink when I met you. Because there was a weekend down
• 1:24:01
  there that I remember very distinctively that a female
• 1:24:05
  manager in the main bar kicked me out two or three times that
• 1:24:10
  weekend. Because I kept saying I left my
• 1:24:12
  ID at the River House knowing damn well I was, you know, two
• 1:24:15
  or three months shy of being 20. One right?
• 1:24:17
  That makes sense. Yeah.
• 1:24:20
  So so we meet down there, we can we swap numbers, We we we're
• 1:24:24
  buddies. Then I always liked I I was, you
• 1:24:26
  know, and then I met Dalton about that same time and and
• 1:24:29
  you're, you know, I was trying to I was back around the floor
• 1:24:31
  Bama more trying to meet, you know, I was trying to re connect
• 1:24:34
  with that. And like you said, when you
• 1:24:35
  because when you're in the when you're in the game and you're in
• 1:24:37
  the business, sometimes it's not you have blinders on, but not
• 1:24:41
  really on purpose. Like I wasn't trying to go back
• 1:24:43
  there, but when I we went to doing all these national touring
• 1:24:46
  stuff, I just didn't get back home as much and I wasn't around
• 1:24:48
  the scene. But when you're doing the
• 1:24:49
  regional scene, some of these towns and, and, and venues are
• 1:24:53
  like a home base where you're going to be every month or two
• 1:24:56
  and you get to catch up and you keep your ear to you hear what's
• 1:24:58
  going. On I Want Every six Weeks,
• 1:25:00
  you're going to see the same group of folks.
• 1:25:02
  Yeah, so I wanted to be around more, and that's about the same
• 1:25:05
  time I met Riley Green down there and told management about
• 1:25:08
  it. And then during the pandemic, I
• 1:25:09
  met Ella Langley, who we're all friends with.
• 1:25:13
  And you know, and I try to tell people in Nashville about these
• 1:25:15
  people. I meet the floor Bama, but they
• 1:25:16
  all sleep on me. But I'm working on that.
• 1:25:18
  I'm working on this management type thing and trying to get
• 1:25:20
  some, some help that help that chain with artist stuff and
• 1:25:24
  songwriting stuff. I want Joe Gilchrist is watching
• 1:25:28
  down on us and nodding his head and winking right now thinking
• 1:25:30
  about that. I know his birthday is coming up
• 1:25:32
  soon. But you don't do what Joe would
• 1:25:35
  have done. Just try to try to help connect
• 1:25:36
  the dots for everybody because that's what we do is connect
• 1:25:38
  people. I was talking to John Lazar the
• 1:25:40
  other day. Oh yeah with low cash now was
• 1:25:43
  with Chase Rice for all since his.
• 1:25:45
  I met him when we were doing spring break stuff with Chase
• 1:25:48
  Rice at Spinnakers and shit. Yep, and he, he was saying that
• 1:25:51
  he's just always been the connector.
• 1:25:53
  You just, it's not what what you can get from people's how you
• 1:25:55
  can help connect and, and do things.
• 1:25:58
  But so I was back around there more and, and trying to relearn,
• 1:26:01
  you know, what was going on. And then so I meet you and then
• 1:26:05
  and then Fast forward a little while the next year or so we're
• 1:26:11
  I'm in Nashville and I'm sure we've talked some since in
• 1:26:13
  between these events because this is back when I was drinking
• 1:26:16
  heavy. So some things are blurry.
• 1:26:17
  You know how that is. But then I get a call and you're
• 1:26:20
  going to be, or you're in Nashville.
• 1:26:22
  We're doing Tracy Lawrence's Turkey fry for Thanksgiving.
• 1:26:27
  And by this time and I'm like, what are you doing here?
• 1:26:29
  And you're like, I'm working for Clay Walker now.
• 1:26:32
  So it's I'm like, oh, you're, you're stage managing and teking
• 1:26:36
  for Clay Walker at this point, I believe.
• 1:26:38
  And you Clay was doing the show with us.
• 1:26:40
  And I've never done a show with Clay.
• 1:26:42
  I've heard some unique stories about him and always was a fan
• 1:26:46
  of his music and his his swag and all that on from music
• 1:26:49
  videos and his his albums and stuff.
• 1:26:51
  It's really wasn't the IT was more of the clay was always more
• 1:26:56
  the the swooner boy he had the ones the girls always like to
• 1:26:58
  dance to, but he had but just great stone cold.
• 1:27:01
  Like when we were on the even, you know, in his younger years,
• 1:27:05
  of course, but even later in, in, you know, in his career
• 1:27:08
  until now, we always made the joke.
• 1:27:10
  There was a couple songs the I was like, how did it sound?
• 1:27:13
  And I said, boy, there wasn't a dry seat in the house.
• 1:27:18
  Yeah, that there's an age group of women that boy, they and I, I
• 1:27:22
  tell you, if you if you want to know how, what, why Clay Walker
• 1:27:27
  got to have this big long career like he did, go back and watch
• 1:27:30
  the his early one of his first performances at the Houston
• 1:27:34
  rodeo when he was young on YouTube.
• 1:27:37
  And that right there. I'll let you know whatever
• 1:27:39
  you've seen or done, sent whatever.
• 1:27:42
  If whatever you think, watch that tell me that ain't.
• 1:27:44
  Country on the bus. And we watched it like, I don't
• 1:27:48
  know. I probably watched two or three
• 1:27:49
  times over the five years or so I was with Clay.
• 1:27:52
  He had an original the original recording on VHS on the.
• 1:27:56
  Really. Did he watch him?
• 1:27:57
  Did he watch himself? Well, I was weak like when I was
• 1:28:00
  real young into my career with Clay, you know, I was always
• 1:28:04
  asking questions about, hey, what was, you know, what was
• 1:28:06
  Rodeo Houston like San Antonio Rodeo, you know, all, all Green
• 1:28:09
  Hall, all the stuff. I was, you know, and he was
• 1:28:12
  like, look, he was like, I'm going to find that tape.
• 1:28:14
  I am digging through drawers and we finally found it and I
• 1:28:16
  watched it and it was, I mean it was awesome.
• 1:28:19
  It's awesome. Yeah.
• 1:28:20
  That's a great, great, great country performance at the.
• 1:28:23
  I mean, he sounded great. His his movements, everything is
• 1:28:27
  out. Everything was on point.
• 1:28:28
  It was just great. So you end up working for the
• 1:28:31
  infamous some now Clay Walker, which I've got to bring that
• 1:28:34
  story up. His new tour this year is called
• 1:28:36
  the Drive Me Smooth Tour after the famous.
• 1:28:40
  He's selling it. He is, he is something else.
• 1:28:43
  Let's just say that he, he, you know, he is something else.
• 1:28:46
  Y'all can do your back story on that?
• 1:28:47
  But there's a video on YouTube of Clay Walker having a
• 1:28:50
  conversation, let's say, with his bus driver about the driving
• 1:28:54
  and the laundry situation on the bus and this bus driver's
• 1:28:58
  commitment to the organization. That's pretty, pretty infamous.
• 1:29:02
  And Clay has just, it kind of doesn't shed a good light on
• 1:29:06
  him. Let's just for lack of better
• 1:29:07
  word. Capitalized on.
• 1:29:09
  It but he is capitalized on it, but he's calling his tour the
• 1:29:11
  Drive me Smooth. The only thing he left that was
• 1:29:13
  the MF at the end of it, but the drive me smooth tour.
• 1:29:17
  Were you on the road with him during this?
• 1:29:19
  I sure was. You were the tour manager during
• 1:29:21
  the infamous Drive Me Smooth incident.
• 1:29:24
  I was in my bunk of sleep, but all right, let me, I'm going to
• 1:29:28
  give you the whole story that I can without.
• 1:29:32
  Without breaking any Indies or causing hardship.
• 1:29:35
  Yeah, yeah, I told I said this on.
• 1:29:37
  I've said this on a couple episodes already, guys.
• 1:29:39
  We're not telling the hard course of hardcore stories yet.
• 1:29:43
  Yet Skinner don't play free bird.
• 1:29:45
  First there's Boyd's going to have a book.
• 1:29:47
  I'm going to have a book. We're going to save some for
• 1:29:49
  that. And if this podcast blows up and
• 1:29:51
  sponsors come on and it's worth telling it, then we'll have to
• 1:29:54
  then we'll have to figure out then what we're going to tell.
• 1:29:56
  But for now, we're going to tell the parts we know we can tell
• 1:30:00
  and and keep everything afloat. We're we're out on on the West
• 1:30:05
  Coast, some some West Coast, Midwest.
• 1:30:08
  I want to say this particular day, we're in Colorado and it
• 1:30:13
  was one of the, you know how it is when, when you go out on the
• 1:30:16
  West Coast, you've got to play so many shows to make it worth
• 1:30:19
  it, to make it worth having the trucks and the buses out there.
• 1:30:23
  And we have been out for a couple of weeks, 3-4 weeks
• 1:30:28
  consecutively. Nobody flying home.
• 1:30:30
  Clay may have flown home, flown home once or twice, but we were
• 1:30:32
  doing shows about every. We were doing like 3 on, two off
• 1:30:37
  maybe, you know what I mean? We were working a lot and about
• 1:30:41
  halfway through this run I I had we were running three buses and
• 1:30:46
  one truck and maybe 2 bus trailers and I had Clay's bus.
• 1:30:53
  Our star coach engine blew up about an hour outside of the
• 1:30:59
  first show of this like month or six week long run.
• 1:31:04
  We're in Reno and he's we had a 2012 prevos and.
• 1:31:08
  Then and he owns his own bus. Right.
• 1:31:10
  Yeah, a lot of those 90s guys, you know him, Tracy Lawrence and
• 1:31:13
  Bird, like, you know, they they own their own bus as a console.
• 1:31:16
  They own everything. And so it's on me as a tour
• 1:31:19
  manager to to see, you know, see that it's fixed to take care of
• 1:31:22
  all that. And it's middle of touring
• 1:31:25
  season, you know what I mean? It's like June.
• 1:31:28
  So getting another star coach is almost out of the question.
• 1:31:32
  So anyways, the bus takes a shit and I'm finally about, I don't
• 1:31:37
  know, it probably took me 3 days to get to find a bus, first of
• 1:31:41
  all, and then to get the bus to us, you know?
• 1:31:47
  And so I get the bus out there and everybody knows the
• 1:31:52
  reputation, good or bad, that Clay has with drivers.
• 1:31:55
  He's been doing this for 35 years.
• 1:31:57
  You know, he's had some great drivers and he's had some that's
• 1:31:59
  not. And if you are in the bus driver
• 1:32:01
  world, you, you know, you've, like you said, you've heard the
• 1:32:04
  unique stories. So we get on this bus and we're
• 1:32:07
  doing a couple of shows and we had a day off.
• 1:32:11
  And like I said, I'm pretty sure it's Colorado.
• 1:32:14
  And I put the bus drivers up at a hotel.
• 1:32:15
  We've got the the whole day off. And so it's been, you know, a
• 1:32:19
  week or so. I'm like, Hey, strip the bed
• 1:32:21
  sheets, comforters, everything. You know, y'all take the day, do
• 1:32:25
  laundry. We, we got here at the hotel at
• 1:32:28
  89 AM, We're not leaving till 10:00 PM.
• 1:32:31
  You know, you got all day to, to get your rest and we're going to
• 1:32:34
  do laundry. Or maybe you know what, maybe we
• 1:32:35
  got in the night before or something.
• 1:32:37
  We, we were there in plenty of time to for them to get 8 or 10
• 1:32:42
  hours of sleep and still take an hour, 2 hours to to wash the
• 1:32:46
  laundry and just do sheets and stuff.
• 1:32:47
  Because I had three drivers, three buses.
• 1:32:51
  And so this driver, this is his first tour tour bus driving job
• 1:32:58
  ever. He was a 26 year old driving a
• 1:33:00
  dump truck that a bus a small independent bus company that I
• 1:33:04
  found this bus from put him on this.
• 1:33:06
  Oh. Yeah, I'm not going to say any
• 1:33:09
  names, but a very inexperienced driver.
• 1:33:12
  He was a good kid. It's just.
• 1:33:14
  And that because after this is post pandemic correct?
• 1:33:17
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, see, because everybody out
• 1:33:20
  there listening during the pandemic, everybody went on
• 1:33:22
  shutdown just like with pilots and a lot of other stuff, a lot
• 1:33:24
  of people in our industry left, retired, went and got other
• 1:33:27
  jobs. And when then we were cleared to
• 1:33:28
  go back on the road, a lot of people didn't come back.
• 1:33:32
  Everybody was scrambling for drivers.
• 1:33:34
  I mean, we had a we had a couple one time they had to be in their
• 1:33:36
  almost 90s and I can remember she was the lady.
• 1:33:39
  Miss Jeannie was Co driving for for Justin's bus Eddie, they
• 1:33:43
  they left Nashville. Eddie goes to sleep.
• 1:33:45
  So would you get me up whenever and I'll get us on into whatever
• 1:33:47
  town? Eddie said.
• 1:33:48
  He falls asleep couple hours later he's realized we're not
• 1:33:51
  going. So he gets up, goes up there.
• 1:33:53
  She's asleep in the front lounge and we've only got about 20
• 1:33:56
  miles down the road. And she just said I got tired
• 1:34:00
  and was like, honey, that well, you could come get me up.
• 1:34:02
  We got to keep going. This bus can't stop so but so
• 1:34:06
  during the after the pandemic, when the reset happened there,
• 1:34:08
  we were struggling to fill all these spots even with crew, with
• 1:34:11
  bands. A lot of band members moved
• 1:34:13
  around, a lot of crew guys and gals, top new people came in.
• 1:34:16
  So you got a lot of new people trying to get experience without
• 1:34:18
  experience. And also during this time,
• 1:34:21
  everybody stopped at the same time.
• 1:34:23
  Normally tour cycles and things kind of interact and change and
• 1:34:27
  people take a year off for half a year and we don't, you know,
• 1:34:30
  we don't do this this year. Well, when the stop had pandemic
• 1:34:33
  happened and then the reset happened, everybody went back to
• 1:34:35
  work at the same time. So everybody was pulling for
• 1:34:37
  what few resources there were in the touring world all at once
• 1:34:40
  from all genres and there was a big shortage.
• 1:34:43
  So that's where you get a 26 year old dump truck driver
• 1:34:46
  driving country music legend Clay Walker.
• 1:34:49
  Right. And so like I said, I can't
• 1:34:51
  remember if it was, you know, the night before or late or like
• 1:34:54
  super early that morning, but the bus drivers all had enough
• 1:34:57
  time to have a 8 or 10 hour sleep and still do sheets and
• 1:35:01
  pick us up, all right. And so we had the day off.
• 1:35:06
  Clay, everybody knows Clay's a big golfer.
• 1:35:08
  Great. He's a fucking great golfer too.
• 1:35:11
  So half of my guys I sent to the golf course for the day, me and
• 1:35:14
  the other half of the guys I rented us a boat and we're just
• 1:35:16
  going to have us a big day. And so I told the bus drivers,
• 1:35:20
  you know, you know how it is your group texts everybody you
• 1:35:23
  know, hey, buses are leaving the hotel at 10:00 PM.
• 1:35:26
  I've got a reservation set for us at this sushi restaurant.
• 1:35:28
  We're all going to meet here at 8:00, have dinner.
• 1:35:31
  Buses will be here at 10:00. We're rolling on to the next
• 1:35:33
  city. Randall have been drinking all
• 1:35:37
  day, riding the boat all day. I got my food to go and went and
• 1:35:41
  got in my bed because, you know, our our work don't stop just
• 1:35:44
  because it was an off day and we had a couple of off days here
• 1:35:47
  and there. I'm or slap out.
• 1:35:49
  Absolutely try to have a little fun, get a little sun, get some
• 1:35:52
  food in your belly. It's time to, on your off day,
• 1:35:54
  get some rest before the phone and e-mail and text start again
• 1:35:57
  for sure. So I get in my bunk and I wake
• 1:36:02
  up, you know, I know the bus is supposed to be moving about, you
• 1:36:05
  know, 9:30 or so because to get to the to get to the restaurant
• 1:36:08
  to pick everybody up at 10:00, bus ain't moving.
• 1:36:10
  My set my alarm at 9:30, bus ain't moving.
• 1:36:13
  Can't get the driver on the phone, can't get him on the
• 1:36:16
  phone, can't get him on the phone.
• 1:36:17
  I go, I know what room he's in because this is the third time
• 1:36:21
  I've had to go to his room and wake him up.
• 1:36:23
  And I so I I already knew I was going to have to let him go
• 1:36:28
  because it was the third time and I already had another driver
• 1:36:31
  on standby to come in. So anyways, I go to his room and
• 1:36:34
  wake him up. We get down to the bus, we roll
• 1:36:37
  on, we get into the restaurant. So I go back in my bunk.
• 1:36:39
  Hey, we're at the and I had already texted Clay and texted
• 1:36:42
  the guys. Hey, we're running a little bit
• 1:36:44
  behind you boys, you know, get you another bottle of wine,
• 1:36:46
  whatever. It's going to be about 10:30,
• 1:36:48
  maybe 11 before we get there. So we finally get in there,
• 1:36:52
  driver goes in to get him some food and eats, comes back out to
• 1:36:56
  the bus. And like I said, I went back to
• 1:36:58
  bed and the driver texted Clay. Not me, texted Clay.
• 1:37:04
  Let's go. You're cutting into my drive
• 1:37:06
  time. Oh.
• 1:37:09
  Oh boy. And you know the rest of the
• 1:37:11
  story. And so, yeah.
• 1:37:13
  That's where it all started, he texts Clay.
• 1:37:16
  You're cutting into my drive time.
• 1:37:17
  He was over an hour late. Wow.
• 1:37:20
  That and he would. Like I said, it was the third
• 1:37:22
  time I had to go to his hotel room and wake him up.
• 1:37:24
  Wow. And so, yeah, that's the whole,
• 1:37:26
  you know, the all of it that I can tell.
• 1:37:28
  You know the rest. Yeah, I mean, we'll play that at
• 1:37:31
  the end of the show after we after we play some ragweed
• 1:37:35
  footage. Yeah.
• 1:37:37
  So that makes sense. We as a professional driver and
• 1:37:40
  you're not. That you are not that my
• 1:37:43
  favorite part of that whole video is like, you know, you get
• 1:37:45
  ready to drive and drive me smooth or you're going to regret
• 1:37:48
  it or. You're going to regret it.
• 1:37:50
  And then when he says, I already says he could whoop, I could
• 1:37:52
  whoop you with one hand tied behind my back.
• 1:37:54
  And no offense, I'm sure Clay's wiry and I'm sure he's scrappy,
• 1:38:00
  but Clay don't really walk in the room thinking he he got, I
• 1:38:03
  mean, he probably knows judo and stuff, so he probably can't
• 1:38:05
  destroy me. But just it.
• 1:38:06
  He doesn't look like the type of guy that's whooping many people
• 1:38:09
  with one arm tied behind his back, especially with his.
• 1:38:12
  Give him a hell of a chance though.
• 1:38:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But so that that was so then you
• 1:38:18
  wake up. So then you wake up.
• 1:38:20
  Do you wake up here in this altercation?
• 1:38:22
  I never I never because it as loud as it sounds on the video,
• 1:38:25
  it really wasn't. I mean, it wasn't loud enough to
• 1:38:28
  wake me up and I was. Who was filming the video?
• 1:38:30
  The driver himself? Another driver.
• 1:38:32
  Like I said, I had three buses and three drivers out at the
• 1:38:34
  time. And so you had a Co driver
• 1:38:36
  bouncing back and forth to make miles.
• 1:38:38
  Yeah, yeah. So the he was in the jump seat
• 1:38:40
  and and filming it. He just said, I got to get this
• 1:38:43
  is too good. Thank God he did so then.
• 1:38:46
  So then you then you come to the next day, you have a it's a show
• 1:38:49
  day. How long before that and the
• 1:38:52
  video comes out and you start seeing the?
• 1:38:55
  The every year. Oh wow, so it was over a year
• 1:38:58
  before? That didn't come out for over a
• 1:38:59
  year, yeah. And then when it finally does
• 1:39:02
  get leaked. Are you still not with Clay?
• 1:39:04
  I was already gone at the time. I was with Cody Jinks at the
• 1:39:07
  time. So you had left Clay and now
• 1:39:09
  you're working for Cody Jinks. Was that the next step after
• 1:39:11
  Clay was Cody Jinks? Yes, yeah, so so yeah, that but
• 1:39:16
  that morning the Co driver was like, hey, I got this video like
• 1:39:21
  you want to walk, you want to send it to you?
• 1:39:22
  And I said, dude, I don't send it to me because I already knew
• 1:39:25
  what happened because my lead driver told me because he he I
• 1:39:31
  was flying him in already to come do some driving anyways,
• 1:39:33
  because he was my lead driver. But he was out dealing with the
• 1:39:36
  bus engine getting you know, he was with the bus, the bus that
• 1:39:40
  we were getting the new engine in.
• 1:39:41
  Anyways, he called me and told me what was up and the Co driver
• 1:39:44
  that filmed it, he was like, hey, I got this video I'm going
• 1:39:46
  to send it to you. I said do not send that to me.
• 1:39:47
  I don't want it on my phone. 'Cause I'll be to give it to,
• 1:39:50
  I'll send it to Dalton Jr. and everybody in the world's going
• 1:39:52
  to. Have it send it to me.
• 1:39:54
  And so he sent it to a bunch of bus drivers and that's how it
• 1:39:58
  eventually got out. Like a year later, got posted on
• 1:40:01
  TikTok or Instagram or whatever. And yeah, so I had to send both
• 1:40:06
  of them guys home that like that day I put them on a plane I had,
• 1:40:09
  I had two more drivers out there that night.
• 1:40:11
  Wow. And I guess they learned their
• 1:40:13
  lesson and they drove smooth from there on out.
• 1:40:15
  They never drove again to my knowledge.
• 1:40:17
  Wow. One of them went back to driving
• 1:40:19
  dump trucks and one of them was a prison guard.
• 1:40:21
  And somewhere during this time we did shows together with Clay
• 1:40:24
  out on the West Coast, because that not long.
• 1:40:27
  After the not long after the incident happened, but the video
• 1:40:30
  wasn't out yet likely. Yeah, because we'll tell that
• 1:40:34
  story next time you come on because you and I, we meet up
• 1:40:36
  out there, I'm in full form that we're out in California.
• 1:40:39
  We've got some guys that come from the Bill Graham tree of
• 1:40:43
  promoters running this show out in wine country and near
• 1:40:48
  Humboldt County and all the other fun stuff that comes along
• 1:40:50
  with California. And I fully indulge myself and
• 1:40:54
  had a big old time on clay. That was my first real
• 1:40:56
  interaction with Clay Walker that night on the bus with our.
• 1:41:00
  Guitar player come up. Yeah, and and I and I didn't.
• 1:41:03
  I, I got, I had to. We, we, Clay and I came to a
• 1:41:07
  mutual understanding that night that how we were going to roll
• 1:41:09
  from then on out. And it was always good.
• 1:41:10
  Me and Clay, we love you brother now.
• 1:41:12
  And he'll text me and stuff, which I, I've always been a fan
• 1:41:16
  and, and, and you know, he never gave me any problems, But it
• 1:41:19
  was, it was we had to set the tone that first night.
• 1:41:22
  And we came over the bus and party together, got everything
• 1:41:24
  ironed out, which usually what, what works best is everybody get
• 1:41:27
  around, party together a little bit, have and get it on out
• 1:41:29
  there and get it over with. And then everything's smooth
• 1:41:32
  sailings from then on. So you leave, you leave or
• 1:41:36
  you're not with Clay anymore. You're with Cody Jinks at this
• 1:41:39
  point. You do that for what, about a
• 1:41:41
  year? Almost, almost a year.
• 1:41:43
  Yeah, yeah, just about. And then you.
• 1:41:47
  And then you go from Cody Jinks. Me and Jinks part of ways and
• 1:41:51
  then I actually went out and did some stuff with the steel woods
• 1:41:54
  again. Not like it was like, I don't
• 1:41:57
  know, September, October, maybe something like that.
• 1:41:59
  I went and did about two, two or three weeks out with the Steel
• 1:42:03
  Woods, which is funny because you know, I started with the
• 1:42:07
  Steel Woods, you know, one of my first bands I ever started on
• 1:42:10
  the road with and there was a guy opening up for him named
• 1:42:15
  Zach Top. And we were doing like less than
• 1:42:19
  1000 tickets a night out on. It was now now on the East Coast
• 1:42:23
  and stuff. The steel was could always sell
• 1:42:24
  really good tickets, but we were doing like, you know,
• 1:42:27
  California, Nevada, Arizona, stuff like that.
• 1:42:30
  So, you know, we were doing smaller rooms out there, 5-6
• 1:42:32
  hundred cap rooms, and yet Zach was opening.
• 1:42:35
  Kind of like what Taylor Honeycutt and them are doing
• 1:42:37
  now, going out and play in those rooms, building your name,
• 1:42:39
  building your presence, different, different markets,
• 1:42:41
  different towns. Yeah, but Zach was doing like a
• 1:42:44
  30 or 45 minute opening, acoustic or not acoustic, It was
• 1:42:46
  it was full by him. And he was.
• 1:42:48
  You had to be young then. Well this was only like 2 years
• 1:42:51
  ago. Oh, well, yeah, I guess so.
• 1:42:52
  Yeah. Well, yeah, rose to fame pretty
• 1:42:54
  fast. Pretty.
• 1:42:54
  Fast. This would have been 23.
• 1:42:58
  OK, Yep, it was like September, October of 23, I was out with
• 1:43:02
  them and. And did you know then, did you
• 1:43:04
  know then that was he was the real deal was good stuff.
• 1:43:06
  Oh, yeah, 'cause I, I had been like following him for the past
• 1:43:10
  two or three years before that when he was just posting covers
• 1:43:12
  on online, you know, black right after I, I guess I started like
• 1:43:17
  listening to his stuff on Facebook back when he was still
• 1:43:19
  living in Colorado, I guess. And he had he had maybe maybe
• 1:43:22
  just moved to town. And you know, Wes Bayless from
• 1:43:25
  the Steel Woods had reached out to him years ago because Wes had
• 1:43:29
  found his stuff. Wes is the king of finding like
• 1:43:31
  the underground, the best of the black stuff.
• 1:43:33
  I don't know how like how, but he always has been.
• 1:43:38
  And Wes had hit him up on a message maybe in 20, like 19.
• 1:43:42
  And he was like, Hey, man, I'm, you know, I'm front man for the
• 1:43:44
  span of the steel woods. I really love your stuff.
• 1:43:46
  I'd love to have you come out. And I'm pretty sure Zach
• 1:43:49
  messaged him back and was like, oh man, I'm really just playing
• 1:43:52
  in my living room right now and framing houses or whatever it
• 1:43:55
  was. Me and Wes and Zach had this
• 1:43:57
  conversation around the pool table one night after a show.
• 1:43:59
  But I don't really remember exactly how it went.
• 1:44:01
  But he told Wes, told me the story about that and, you know,
• 1:44:05
  getting in touch. And Zach was like, man, I don't
• 1:44:08
  remember that, but I wish I would have done it back then.
• 1:44:12
  Wes pulled up the messages and found it was pretty cool to see
• 1:44:15
  a moment like that. And then when I was out there on
• 1:44:20
  on the road with with the Still Woods, I got a phone call from
• 1:44:24
  Chris Jansen. And I, man, always been a big
• 1:44:28
  fan of Chris. I love.
• 1:44:29
  I remember you called me about that.
• 1:44:31
  Yeah, yeah, because y'all had done some stuff together, you
• 1:44:33
  know him and yeah, y'all had done some shows together back a
• 1:44:36
  while back. And he actually called me before
• 1:44:40
  you called me. Oh, really?
• 1:44:42
  Because I talked to so how Chris got in touch with me is a
• 1:44:46
  booking agent named Lance Roberts.
• 1:44:48
  He was, he was at UTA forever. He's he's with William Morris
• 1:44:51
  now, but he was agent for, for Clay.
• 1:44:55
  So that's how I knew him. Sorry buddy, had to put a new
• 1:44:59
  had to put a new memory card in my camera.
• 1:45:03
  I was wondering if I'd run out of space.
• 1:45:04
  I thought I had enough room but didn't know we'd go for two
• 1:45:06
  hours. But hey, I didn't want to stop
• 1:45:07
  the train so we're going to keep rolling.
• 1:45:09
  We're everything's still working.
• 1:45:11
  So you get so yeah, I get a call from I get a call from Jansen,
• 1:45:14
  ask him, are you friends with this boy guy?
• 1:45:15
  What's about him? I don't think it was him.
• 1:45:17
  Maybe it was just him or I can't remember how it went together.
• 1:45:20
  I think it was him, maybe him on the phone and Kelly in the
• 1:45:22
  background him like I'm going to ask him.
• 1:45:24
  I'm going to talk to, you know, while we're going.
• 1:45:26
  And then like literally like 45 minutes after I get off the
• 1:45:28
  phone with him, you called like, hey, you didn't show Jansen what
• 1:45:31
  you think, how you think I'd fit over there?
• 1:45:33
  And I'm like, he is a Mountain Dew Missouri madman, but he is
• 1:45:37
  gold. And it mean you're going to have
• 1:45:39
  a good time, that's for sure. Goal for both of them.
• 1:45:42
  Yeah. And that's so so how I how I got
• 1:45:45
  that call from him is a guy named Lance Roberts.
• 1:45:47
  That was the agent. He's booking agent for Clay.
• 1:45:49
  Still still is and still still with Jansen too.
• 1:45:52
  And I called him and, you know, Kurt Miley, a couple guys over
• 1:45:55
  at UTA because that's who I spent a lot of time with just
• 1:45:58
  saying, hey, you know, I'm, I'm looking for something.
• 1:46:00
  If you know of anybody, you know, let me know or whatever.
• 1:46:02
  And then, you know, I mean, within 30 minutes of after me
• 1:46:05
  calling them, they was like, hey, I got somebody might be
• 1:46:07
  interested. I'm going to send him your
• 1:46:09
  resume, you know, blah, blah. And like you said, not long
• 1:46:12
  after that, you know, he called you and I called and it was
• 1:46:15
  pretty much a done deal within about an hour, you know, And I
• 1:46:19
  finished out those shows with the steel waves the rest of that
• 1:46:21
  month and started with Jansen. And yeah, he, like you said,
• 1:46:25
  he's a Mountain Dew drinking, Missouri Wildman hits, cigar
• 1:46:29
  smoking, live shows you'll ever see full energy.
• 1:46:34
  I mean, 90 to nothing soon, soon as he steps on that stage.
• 1:46:38
  I mean, it's a whole, he's a whole another dude.
• 1:46:40
  It it, he turns it on. And it is just incredible.
• 1:46:44
  Yeah, he most. Energy of anybody I've ever
• 1:46:46
  seen. Yes, a performer.
• 1:46:49
  I mean what a performer I mean. And he cut his teeth.
• 1:46:51
  Went on stage. Oh yeah, and he cut his teeth
• 1:46:54
  learning how to interact with the crowd doing that all those
• 1:46:56
  years on Broadway in Nashville and just and you know, and
• 1:47:01
  that's a unique in behind the scenes thing too.
• 1:47:03
  You know, most like I work Justin Moore, who I'm tour
• 1:47:06
  manage for currently. He he likes to take the bus
• 1:47:08
  everywhere. We we rarely fly.
• 1:47:10
  I mean, we'll fly private some. We used to more not much.
• 1:47:13
  Now he'd rather just bus it and fly commercial if we have to, to
• 1:47:17
  get back from the West Coast or something, but he likes to take
• 1:47:20
  the bus. Chris is the opposite.
• 1:47:21
  Y'all have a bus there for the band and crew that leads from
• 1:47:23
  Nashville, but Chris flies in private locally and then gets an
• 1:47:27
  SUV to bring him to the venue in and out every night.
• 1:47:30
  And he likes to drive himself. And I respect Chris a lot
• 1:47:33
  because he wants to be home with his family as much as I'm all
• 1:47:36
  about it. And I love his family, boy, I
• 1:47:38
  love Oh yeah, Billy and Jesse and.
• 1:47:41
  Jesse's my boy right there and I saw him last time he was on
• 1:47:44
  stage with Chris. Man, he did so good.
• 1:47:47
  I was so proud for him. He did so good.
• 1:47:49
  He's he's got it. Yes.
• 1:47:51
  Oh yeah, man, I love that love their family, but so they so
• 1:47:54
  yeah, it's a unique situation. He does he's basically like a
• 1:47:56
  baby Hank Junior when it comes out.
• 1:47:57
  He emulates his whole style. They're kind of with that
• 1:48:00
  whether intentionally or not. I'm sure it's intentionally.
• 1:48:02
  He's a big fan like we all are. So then you're you're with
• 1:48:06
  Jansen. You leave Jansen and go to
• 1:48:09
  another one. Which talking earlier about
• 1:48:11
  running. That's why I asked about Zach
• 1:48:12
  Top the first time you saw him. Did you know that was something
• 1:48:14
  special? Because throughout my career, I
• 1:48:17
  can recognize I'm not the greatest or anything, but I can
• 1:48:19
  recognize talent. I know when somebody's good.
• 1:48:21
  I know when I like something. And I also realize when
• 1:48:24
  something's different and it's just special.
• 1:48:26
  And I can remember that, you know, like when I met Wayne.
• 1:48:30
  But you know, when I'm the first time I heard John party in a
• 1:48:33
  rehearsal room in somebody's basement in East Nashville, I
• 1:48:36
  called my buddy and was like, dude, I'm going to work for this
• 1:48:38
  guy. And if he plays his cards right,
• 1:48:39
  he's anything he wants. And this is his because he's the
• 1:48:42
  real deal. Same with Riley Green when I met
• 1:48:45
  Ella and Joy Beth when they were doing acoustic down at the floor
• 1:48:48
  Bama during the pandemic, it was nobody there.
• 1:48:50
  And I remember thinking, these girls are very talented.
• 1:48:54
  They they're just something different.
• 1:48:55
  And then a time a good while back and we talked and this
• 1:48:59
  leads into your, I think the next artist you work for, one
• 1:49:01
  you've worked for recently is I remember going and watching the
• 1:49:03
  Cadillac Three play a show in Little Rock, AR at the Rev Room.
• 1:49:08
  And they're opening. We walk in to find room for
• 1:49:10
  Justin and his friends and family to put them somewhere so
• 1:49:13
  we could, you know, come in and watch the show.
• 1:49:15
  Small venue, cool venue in downtown Little Rock.
• 1:49:19
  But me and the bus driver go in to find space and we're looking,
• 1:49:23
  trying to find and we keep turning to the stage and we're
• 1:49:25
  just mesmerized. And this girl is absolutely
• 1:49:27
  killing it. And it was Morgan Wade.
• 1:49:30
  And I remember thinking right then that's different.
• 1:49:32
  And I talked, I remember talking to Jaron on the bus afterwards.
• 1:49:35
  I was like, who is this? She's always, she's a friend of
• 1:49:36
  ours. You know, she's coming to
• 1:49:37
  Nashville this and that. I was like, man, she is
• 1:49:39
  fantastic. And I remember here having that
• 1:49:41
  name in my head for a few years, and then several years later,
• 1:49:45
  boom. Yep.
• 1:49:46
  So she she actually did some shows with us with the steel
• 1:49:49
  woods a long time ago. So I actually.
• 1:49:51
  That makes sense. Play long bag.
• 1:49:53
  Yeah, but no, that wasn't my next deal.
• 1:49:56
  I did a hip hop act. That's right.
• 1:49:59
  Yeah. And that was, man, that was a
• 1:50:03
  lot of fun. If those boys stayed busy enough
• 1:50:05
  to keep somebody full time, you know, just hip hop doesn't do
• 1:50:09
  more than, you know, 50 shows a year maybe.
• 1:50:12
  And these guys are so international, they only do
• 1:50:15
  maybe 20 shows a year and. What was the name of that act?
• 1:50:18
  Joey Valance and Bray, and for anybody that watches baseball or
• 1:50:23
  whatever, they're on a lot of baseball, like commercials and
• 1:50:25
  played a lot over stadiums. They do a lot of stuff with
• 1:50:28
  Pepsi. So you you've heard whether you
• 1:50:31
  know it or not, you've heard their music.
• 1:50:33
  If you watch TV or listen to any commercials on radio or Spotify
• 1:50:37
  or anything like you, you've definitely heard of their stuff.
• 1:50:40
  Joey Wise, Bray, two guys from State College, PA and Marco put
• 1:50:47
  me on that gig. Yep, their manager, Jonathan LA
• 1:50:52
  Guy, him and Mark knew each other.
• 1:50:55
  And after after Jansen, you know, I was looking for
• 1:50:58
  something and and Mark hit me up about this gig and I was like, I
• 1:51:02
  don't know. I've never done anything other
• 1:51:03
  than country, but I'll I'll talk to him.
• 1:51:06
  You know, when we did a zoom call and they called me back the
• 1:51:09
  next day and they had done several interviews with people
• 1:51:12
  and they're like, man, the guys really liked you.
• 1:51:15
  So we're going to move forward. And we did about six weeks all
• 1:51:19
  over the states. I mean, we started, we started
• 1:51:22
  in Dallas and did you know Dallas up to the Midwest, up and
• 1:51:26
  down the East Coast, you know, New York, PA, DC, all the way
• 1:51:29
  down and then went down through the Southeast, Nashville and
• 1:51:34
  went all the way to the West Coast and we ended in Sacramento
• 1:51:38
  or San Francisco. San Francisco.
• 1:51:40
  Yep. So we did six weeks, I mean, and
• 1:51:42
  hit shit. 30 states probably. Yeah, most people don't tour.
• 1:51:47
  That's why I was talking to the tour schedule.
• 1:51:48
  Most people don't tour like we do in country, which we call
• 1:51:51
  weekend Warrior style, where you usually leave on a Wednesday and
• 1:51:53
  you come home on Sunday. Most people either do it around
• 1:51:56
  an album or they'll go play. I know Rock'n'roll with Brantley
• 1:51:58
  did those with Five Finger Death Punch a few years ago.
• 1:52:00
  They would go do like 45 dates in a row, some days off in
• 1:52:04
  between and come back. But and and then off sums with
• 1:52:07
  with with country. It usually works.
• 1:52:08
  You can work for the artist all year long because you're going
• 1:52:10
  to do shows consistently throughout the year.
• 1:52:12
  But with the hip hop duo, it was just there and then they would
• 1:52:14
  bounce overseas and do stuff or take a couple of months off.
• 1:52:17
  So really didn't make. Sense they like, so we did like
• 1:52:20
  I want to say about 6-6 or seven weeks here and then we were
• 1:52:24
  doing like 3 or 4 shows in a row with one day off and wow, you
• 1:52:29
  were working. And what kind of crew, what kind
• 1:52:31
  of band and crew is involved in something like that?
• 1:52:33
  It was with with these guys. It was me, the two singers, a
• 1:52:38
  photo of a video and a merge guy.
• 1:52:42
  Wow, I always thought that I met.
• 1:52:44
  And a D. J and a DJ.
• 1:52:46
  Yeah, you got to have a DJ doing that.
• 1:52:47
  I Remember Me. I remember the first time I met.
• 1:52:49
  No band it was. Just no band at all.
• 1:52:51
  I remember the first time I met Ron White out in Vegas and he
• 1:52:55
  was, you know, he was saying it's just him and his one guy
• 1:52:57
  who's been with him 20 years. That was his assistant that
• 1:53:00
  helped him and went and did his show that night.
• 1:53:01
  And I'm thinking, man, comedians easy.
• 1:53:03
  You don't have a band, you don't need a crew.
• 1:53:05
  You just need somebody watching, make sure the sounds good and AT
• 1:53:09
  shirt. I mean it.
• 1:53:09
  Oh, how easy would that be? So anyway, you go from these
• 1:53:13
  guys, the hip hop duo, to what's the next gig?
• 1:53:16
  And so I I take so the next next job wasn't even a road gig.
• 1:53:22
  I was actually like a house production manager for a venue
• 1:53:25
  in Montgomery called the Montgomery Performing Arts
• 1:53:27
  Center. That's right.
• 1:53:29
  It's a 2000 CAP theater downtown.
• 1:53:31
  Did you? You met my boy Matt Irby during
• 1:53:33
  that time. Yep, that's right.
• 1:53:34
  Yep. I, Dalton and Matt knew each
• 1:53:36
  other because Matt was going down to the Bama and running
• 1:53:38
  right sound and I'd met him through him.
• 1:53:42
  And then that's actually the job that I took, because he went to
• 1:53:45
  another property up in Muscle Shoals.
• 1:53:48
  And so the guy that runs that place, the GDM, Alan Sanders,
• 1:53:52
  who's been there since it's opened 18 years ago, me and him
• 1:53:55
  have always been really tight. And Bill Young wouldn't be
• 1:53:59
  involved. There.
• 1:54:00
  Bill Young worked there for a long time.
• 1:54:02
  He wasn't there the same time I was there.
• 1:54:04
  Bill worked there for a really long time.
• 1:54:06
  Overkill Bill Legend, he gets so on.
• 1:54:09
  The road with clay a little bit. I remember you tell me.
• 1:54:12
  I couldn't imagine that and and Bill man some wild nights back
• 1:54:16
  in the day. And I'm not going to tell too
• 1:54:17
  many of those and get Bill in trouble.
• 1:54:19
  But he used to get so mad at me when I'd run into him when I was
• 1:54:21
  with Southern Holler or something because I would
• 1:54:23
  introduce him as this is my buddy Overkill Bill.
• 1:54:25
  He used to be our sound guy badass from Montgomery.
• 1:54:27
  He used to run sound for ABBA and he was like, of all the
• 1:54:31
  people I've ever done production for, you always bring up ABBA.
• 1:54:34
  I'm like, man, it's ABBA though, dude.
• 1:54:36
  They were international. Huge pop act.
• 1:54:38
  I mean, who? I don't know anybody else that's
• 1:54:40
  ever worked for ABBA. But yeah, so I did that and I
• 1:54:44
  was training a production manager to he he the guy, he was
• 1:54:48
  a stage manager and great. He's really his name's Michael
• 1:54:51
  Oliver. He's awesome.
• 1:54:52
  I was training him to go from stage manager to, you know, tech
• 1:54:57
  director, production production manager there of the venue.
• 1:55:00
  I did that for three or four months.
• 1:55:02
  And at the time I had AI got on with Billy Currington in
• 1:55:06
  November of this past November of this past year, 24, I got on
• 1:55:11
  with Billy Currington. You know, Billy doesn't tour
• 1:55:12
  much, but I did did that. Come February or whatever,
• 1:55:19
  something happens, me and Billy have to part ways, you know, not
• 1:55:22
  a big deal, whatever it happens. So I wasn't with Billy too long
• 1:55:26
  and then I am going out with a girl named Morgan Way.
• 1:55:30
  Like you said, one of my buddies, Clint Perry, is
• 1:55:33
  actually her tour manager and he had already committed to
• 1:55:37
  something else for the first part of the year.
• 1:55:39
  And so I go out with Morgan for a couple of weeks and and do
• 1:55:42
  that deal and she's great, man. She, like you said, she is so
• 1:55:46
  different. Her sound is so unique and just
• 1:55:48
  talented her. Stage presence.
• 1:55:50
  It's she is a badass. Badass.
• 1:55:53
  Off the bottom, like I love that chick and she is just a badass.
• 1:55:57
  She's, she's one of the boys, you know what I mean?
• 1:55:59
  I've never, I've never got to hang out with her.
• 1:56:01
  I hope to meet her and get to hang some at some point.
• 1:56:03
  But yeah, I'm a big fan and I knew that day she's special and
• 1:56:06
  I could tell she's I remember watching her videos, you just
• 1:56:09
  country as cornbread from West Virginia and her, her sister and
• 1:56:13
  all that stuff trying to take care of the family.
• 1:56:15
  It was just it was awesome. Her.
• 1:56:16
  I think I can remember her hearing her in the car, like
• 1:56:19
  listening to her song on the radio for the first time like
• 1:56:21
  everybody does. And I just remember being like,
• 1:56:23
  I'm happy and proud for her for sure.
• 1:56:26
  So freaking cool. And then while I'm out on the
• 1:56:29
  road with her, that that wasn't a full time gig with Morgan you.
• 1:56:32
  Know yeah, you were just filling in for your buddy.
• 1:56:33
  But I did a couple weeks or whatever with her, but and then
• 1:56:37
  I got a call from some managers, the guy that they, they manage a
• 1:56:41
  guy named Chase Matthew, which super cool guy.
• 1:56:44
  I mean, and, and, and another bad ass that they kind of
• 1:56:47
  chasing these two managers, Ken and Snap.
• 1:56:50
  His name's Lloyd. Everybody's always called him
• 1:56:52
  Snap, big snap. And they just man, they're
• 1:56:56
  killing doing everything by themselves.
• 1:56:58
  They do have, you know, Chase did sign a record deal, I think
• 1:57:00
  last year. But they're doing pretty much
• 1:57:03
  everything by themselves. And they kind of learned
• 1:57:06
  together, you know, I mean, Ken's been around for a while,
• 1:57:08
  but Ken was doing mostly comedy, excuse me, and doing mostly
• 1:57:14
  comedy. You know, he had Larry the Cable
• 1:57:15
  Guy for a long time. Got you.
• 1:57:17
  And then, you know, he also managed like the LAX and like I
• 1:57:22
  think he had Big Smo and Georgia boys and stuff like that.
• 1:57:25
  So and I'd actually met them at a festival when I was with
• 1:57:28
  Jansen like 2 summers ago or whatever, or I guess last
• 1:57:32
  summer, 2 summers ago or whatever.
• 1:57:34
  They were direct support for us on a festival in Ohio.
• 1:57:36
  And I guys made them super cool guys because I had been a fan of
• 1:57:39
  Chase and we were had the same booking age and stuff like that.
• 1:57:42
  So you know, it was always good to always good to meet you
• 1:57:45
  fellow your mates like that. Absolutely.
• 1:57:48
  Because you never know what when you know when, when you'll see
• 1:57:51
  them again. And hey, come to find out next
• 1:57:53
  time I saw him was sitting in and on a job interview.
• 1:57:56
  They called me and was like, hey man, you know, we know who you
• 1:57:58
  are. Of course we met.
• 1:57:59
  You know, I was like, Oh yeah, I remember y'all.
• 1:58:00
  So we go and sit down and man, we just fucking, we hit it off,
• 1:58:05
  you know? And so I've been with Chase
• 1:58:07
  since March. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:11
  And loving it so far. I've seen the pictures like
• 1:58:13
  great crowds, good time. That kid is on fire.
• 1:58:16
  We're selling out every show. We just did two shows with Megan
• 1:58:19
  Maroney here in Nashville at the Pinnacle, which if y'all haven't
• 1:58:22
  been to the Pinnacle venue yet, it is beautiful.
• 1:58:26
  They take such good care of it like it's it's probably the most
• 1:58:30
  artist friendly venue that I've ever been to in Nashville.
• 1:58:33
  Wow, I met him once at the Opry several months back.
• 1:58:41
  He he wanted to meet Justin because I guess he was a fan and
• 1:58:44
  then we met. So that's the only time I've met
• 1:58:46
  him. But super nice guy, tall kid, if
• 1:58:47
  I remember right, and which is good because you're tall too.
• 1:58:50
  That that that works me. Everybody said me and Justin
• 1:58:53
  like Mutt and Jeff, you know, but but I met him and it
• 1:58:58
  couldn't have been a nicer guy. And that's awesome.
• 1:59:00
  Killing it. And so you are you currently out
• 1:59:02
  on a tour with someone? So we've been doing all
• 1:59:05
  headlining it so far this year, but starting May 22nd, we start
• 1:59:11
  out with Keith Urban on the Keith Urban World Tour and our
• 1:59:15
  first show is actually in Gulf Shores.
• 1:59:18
  Oh. Wow.
• 1:59:19
  Yep. At the amphitheater.
• 1:59:20
  Yeah, by the war. Dude, Oh yeah, I hope I'm in
• 1:59:22
  town for that. Gosh, I hope I'm in town for
• 1:59:24
  that. We got Dalton.
• 1:59:25
  Dalton is playing Jair's place that night, so we're all going
• 1:59:28
  to hang out over there. Beautiful.
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  And probably go load up and go to the Bama on the way out of
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  town because we're going to Atlanta the next night.
• 1:59:34
  Or that was the Verizon Wireless, Verizon Wireless
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  amphitheater in Alpharetta. Yep.
• 1:59:41
  So yeah, we're going to go do that.
• 1:59:43
  But yeah, we got 55 dates with Keith as direct support.
• 1:59:47
  It's like 30 if I remember right.
• 1:59:49
  It's 30 in the States, then like 15 in Australia.
• 1:59:54
  So we're going to Australia for a month and then, you know, 10
• 1:59:58
  or 12 in in Canada. Wow, that's awesome, man.
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  Well, y'all go check them out on tour for sure.
• 2:00:04
  Go see them at a show. Come see us at the Wharf.
• 2:00:06
  If if I even if I'm not there, y'all come see that show and
• 2:00:10
  keep and and and go check out Chase Matthews on that and, and,
• 2:00:14
  and follow him and go see Boyd at a show and tell him you you
• 2:00:17
  enjoyed the podcast and all that good stuff.
• 2:00:19
  What's your social handles Boyd? So if anybody wants to reach out
• 2:00:21
  to you. All it's all Boyd Causey T MB
• 2:00:25
  OYDCAUSEYTM. Yeah, go hit him up.
• 2:00:29
  And I don't have any. I don't have.
• 2:00:31
  I usually do this thing where I play voicemails.
• 2:00:33
  Like I was saying earlier, I had the Jake Worthington voicemail,
• 2:00:35
  but I didn't. I don't have any new ones dialed
• 2:00:36
  up there. I've got a couple of good ones
• 2:00:38
  on there, but I don't have them pulled up to play right now, so
• 2:00:40
  we'll skip that. We've been going for a while, so
• 2:00:42
  I don't want to keep you on here too long.
• 2:00:44
  I've got to go actually get some road report stuff and some
• 2:00:47
  T-shirts mailed out myself before 4.
• 2:00:50
  But I do have a few things that I do with every guest we have on
• 2:00:54
  that I'd like to do now. And and all the stories we
• 2:00:56
  didn't tell. Obviously, boy, if you can't
• 2:00:58
  tell, we're close and he's going to be on this show a lot.
• 2:01:02
  So if there's anything you missed or want to hear or want
• 2:01:04
  him to tell, use 424 handler. Leave me a voicemail, send a
• 2:01:08
  text, leave us a questions for Boyd or or any of the
• 2:01:12
  conversations we've been having and we'll make sure to talk
• 2:01:15
  about them next time. Or you can at Jr. the handler
• 2:01:18
  send them to me or at boy calls ETM send send them to him as
• 2:01:22
  well. Go to jrthehandler.com for links
• 2:01:24
  to everything. You leave it on the YouTube
• 2:01:25
  anywhere. Hopefully we'll find them and
• 2:01:27
  get to it and hear your name on the radio or on the podcast
• 2:01:31
  show. But a few things I do here while
• 2:01:33
  I'm I'm going to ask this question and I'll get something
• 2:01:35
  else going while I'm pulling this up.
• 2:01:37
  What's your birthday real quick? April 1st.
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  Of what year? 96.
• 2:01:45
  Wow, I was driving, I was in a lot.
• 2:01:49
  I was up to no good in April 1st and 96th, buddy, I can tell you
• 2:01:52
  that. Well, while I pull this up, one
• 2:01:58
  of the questions I have here, I have just a few, but one of them
• 2:02:00
  is I've asked people what is the biggest or most well known name
• 2:02:06
  in your phone or what's the number in your phone that you
• 2:02:09
  think it's just so crazy that you have this this number in
• 2:02:13
  your phone? Man, I don't know if this counts
• 2:02:18
  or not because he's just recently passed, but Toby Keith.
• 2:02:21
  Wow, you had Toby's number? Yeah, we did a lot of shows
• 2:02:24
  with, you know, when I was with Clay, we had the same manager as
• 2:02:26
  Toby and TK. Yep.
• 2:02:30
  Yep. And man, I love Toby and I don't
• 2:02:32
  know why, but he fucking, he loved me.
• 2:02:35
  You know, we'd go hang out on the bus and drink after the
• 2:02:37
  show. Me and Toby and TK and Clay and
• 2:02:41
  Jason, You know, all those guys would.
• 2:02:43
  Yeah, they were. They were always great to us.
• 2:02:45
  And I was always a huge Toby Keith fan, and I love that dude
• 2:02:50
  to death. Man, that's a good one, brother.
• 2:02:52
  That's awesome. Yeah.
• 2:02:55
  Roll them easy, Toby Keith. What a great.
• 2:02:57
  I mean, what a just and on his way out.
• 2:02:59
  Boy, he did it with grace and his own way and he left us with
• 2:03:04
  something special on the way out.
• 2:03:05
  But man, it's just I tell people, the longer you're in
• 2:03:09
  this business, the more people you know, the more that kind of
• 2:03:10
  stuff you have to deal with as an adult.
• 2:03:12
  It's not fun. They again, they never told us
• 2:03:15
  about this part. You know, they told us about the
• 2:03:17
  pretty girls in the wine, but they didn't tell us about this
• 2:03:19
  part. Well, the next thing I have on
• 2:03:22
  here, and I'm sure you're a fan of this person is I do birthday
• 2:03:25
  number one. This was the number one song in
• 2:03:28
  country music on the day you were born.
• 2:03:31
  So no April Fool's Day for your folks that day.
• 2:03:35
  You're coming into the world probably late afternoon, if I
• 2:03:38
  had to imagine. And the number one song is they
• 2:03:42
  get a, oh, they're so happy. They got little baby boy there.
• 2:03:44
  And he's beautiful and he's got a little red beard and he's just
• 2:03:47
  handsome and he's already got a couple of tattoos out the wound.
• 2:03:50
  And on the way home, they turn on Georgia's class or Georgia
• 2:03:55
  country's biggest country channel.
• 2:03:57
  And what Lawn Helm comes on and says the number one song this
• 2:04:02
  week in country music is Who do You Think it Was?
• 2:04:08
  Tracy Byrd Watermelon Crawl. That's a good guess.
• 2:04:13
  I'll give you some hints man. One of my favorite female artist
• 2:04:16
  of all time and she still she still gets drugged back in and
• 2:04:21
  has recently over the last couple years with things
• 2:04:23
  involving her home state and she tears it down when she comes out
• 2:04:28
  one of the. Yodi Messina.
• 2:04:31
  No quite similar different vibe was man toted the flag there for
• 2:04:38
  a while from the great state of Kentucky.
• 2:04:42
  Friends with a was on the was on the front, was on wear.
• 2:04:46
  Cowboy hat. Nope, she does not wear Cowboy
• 2:04:49
  I, I. Remember Clark?
• 2:04:51
  I remember her on this on this award show from back in the day
• 2:04:54
  where it's Ricky Skaggs, Dwight Yoakam, and maybe Buck Owens and
• 2:04:58
  her to start the whole award show out.
• 2:05:00
  And I thought it was so good from Kentucky, from Kentucky did
• 2:05:05
  a thing with Stapleton a few years ago when they were doing
• 2:05:07
  the the Help Kentucky stuff that was so good.
• 2:05:11
  Her Harlan County, her, her version of that.
• 2:05:16
  The one and only. The lovely, the ageless, the
• 2:05:18
  timeless, the beautiful, The so, so talented.
• 2:05:21
  Miss Patty Loveless. Patty OK.
• 2:05:24
  Yeah, Is there, I mean, is there not anybody better?
• 2:05:26
  I mean, she's just so. Good.
• 2:05:27
  You know what? I should have known that because
• 2:05:30
  her and Laura Morgan did the Grits and Glamour Tour and I was
• 2:05:34
  out and did, you know, did a couple of those shows.
• 2:05:35
  I should have known that. Yep, and and they and and did
• 2:05:39
  was that Pam Tillis come out and do some shows on that on that
• 2:05:44
  tour. Oh, that's that's why it was her
• 2:05:45
  and Pam Tillis not. Yeah, that you're not Patty
• 2:05:47
  Loveless. Yeah.
• 2:05:48
  Because Patty doesn't play out that much.
• 2:05:50
  That's right. Yeah, you're right.
• 2:05:51
  You're right. It was that's, that's who it
• 2:05:52
  was. But but Patti Lovelace and the
• 2:05:55
  song, I doubt you you. You might guess the song.
• 2:05:59
  Can you guess what song? Well, not one that comes right.
• 2:06:01
  The first of mine for me though. And.
• 2:06:05
  It's not timber I'm falling in love.
• 2:06:07
  It's not chains, chains, shackles and chains.
• 2:06:09
  I love that tune. The Steel Woods covered this
• 2:06:13
  song on their last record, You Don't Even Know My Name.
• 2:06:18
  That's a great one. Her.
• 2:06:20
  No, not that one. It's You Can Feel Bad by Patti
• 2:06:23
  Loveless. That was the April 1st, 1996.
• 2:06:26
  That was the number one song in country music that week.
• 2:06:30
  I feel like I should know that. Yeah, well, you do now, brother.
• 2:06:33
  You can pass that on down. You can tell you folks all that
• 2:06:35
  good stuff. So let me do this real quick.
• 2:06:40
  Just for reference here, 196 Patty Mount Rushmore of music
• 2:06:51
  doesn't have to be country. Your personal Mount Rushmore of
• 2:06:54
  music. If you had to put just for
• 2:06:57
  reference, John Lazard the other week he had Ludacris, Metallica.
• 2:07:05
  Who did he have? The Beach Boys.
• 2:07:08
  Buddy, that's all over the. Place and who was his country?
• 2:07:11
  Did he have straight or was it I can't remember who his country
• 2:07:15
  was? Yeah.
• 2:07:17
  But anyway, so it can be any genre, just what you consider
• 2:07:20
  your personal Mount Rushmore music.
• 2:07:23
  I know you can't see it because the way the camera is, I've got
• 2:07:26
  a huge thing of the Highwayman on my wall right here.
• 2:07:31
  I would say Skynyrd for sure. Charlie Daniels.
• 2:07:47
  Merle Haggard. Man, that 4th 1 is going to be
• 2:07:52
  tough. Corey Smith.
• 2:07:55
  Wow. Yeah, I love Mason Corey Smith.
• 2:08:00
  That's a great one too. He might hadn't heard of court
• 2:08:03
  Corey Smith. Go look him up.
• 2:08:04
  Georgia legend college radio. I mean he and he finally got
• 2:08:09
  some of his due as well like bowling way overdue.
• 2:08:12
  But if you when you were in College in the 90s and 2000s,
• 2:08:15
  man, Corey was on fire. There was there was a joke, you
• 2:08:19
  know, always kind of a thing. I'd heard from several people
• 2:08:22
  was like, man, if you ever just want to hit it big and be a big
• 2:08:26
  star, just go up and up for Corey Smith because Riley,
• 2:08:30
  Muscadine, Brantley, Colt Ford, I mean, so many people.
• 2:08:35
  I've said that about, I've said that about Justin Moore in the
• 2:08:37
  last 6-8 years too. Everybody.
• 2:08:39
  I mean when I first started it was Thomas Rhett was opening for
• 2:08:43
  us and Dustin Lynch and John Party.
• 2:08:45
  I met him. I was, we were first to three on
• 2:08:46
  that tour and then the first tour I the first tour I ever
• 2:08:50
  worked for just Justin. The first night we did someone
• 2:08:53
  offs at the end of the tour. That was the tour I was on with
• 2:08:55
  John. At the end of that tour I went
• 2:08:56
  and worked for Justin like October, November, the 1st 2
• 2:08:58
  shows we did. Chris Stapleton was the opening
• 2:09:00
  act on one bus and then just. Cody Johnson do some shows with
• 2:09:05
  y'all Cody. Johnson open for us for a tour
• 2:09:08
  and then fast flip five years later, we swapped rolls.
• 2:09:12
  I mean, it's just there's been tons of those and you know,
• 2:09:14
  Worthington, I mean just everybody.
• 2:09:17
  So it's awesome how that works and it's cool.
• 2:09:19
  That's why you good to meet everybody and see everybody,
• 2:09:22
  because in in this business, you're going to meet everybody
• 2:09:24
  either on your way up or on your way down.
• 2:09:26
  And the best is to not burn any bridges and be cool that way.
• 2:09:29
  You can always it's unless it's a pin pulling a fence or
• 2:09:33
  something that needs to be lit fire too.
• 2:09:35
  It's not worth it. Well, I want to say hey, real
• 2:09:38
  quick. Yes, please do I just.
• 2:09:41
  I just said, like I said, I know earlier he was showering and
• 2:09:43
  getting dressed. Whatever.
• 2:09:44
  Yeah. Damn.
• 2:09:45
  I didn't realize how long we have been on here.
• 2:09:46
  I know. Well like I told everybody y'all
• 2:09:48
  make sure to go Jr. thehandler.com, YouTube, podcast
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  on iTunes, Spotify, all that fun stuff like rate, subscribe,
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• 2:10:08
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• 2:10:11
  Cash App for the Venmo at Jr. the handler.
• 2:10:14
  But come check us out and. Be so jealous of this T-shirt.
• 2:10:19
  I can't wait. We've got Dalton Bush coming on
• 2:10:21
  camera for a minute and and look at this handsome sun gun right
• 2:10:24
  there. How are you Hoss?
• 2:10:26
  Good buddy? How you doing, man?
• 2:10:27
  I'm good brother. Y'all look great man.
• 2:10:29
  Looks like the the next Brooks and Dunn right there.
• 2:10:32
  I could. Yeah.
• 2:10:33
  Brooks and well done right there.
• 2:10:35
  Or broken. Well done.
• 2:10:36
  Maybe that's what we'll call. It yeah, no shit and.
• 2:10:39
  Man, and hey, I'm in my studio right now, which both of you
• 2:10:42
  guys have been to. I can't wait for y'all to come
• 2:10:43
  back over and let's do a podcast together in the studio and
• 2:10:47
  there'll be more whiskey for y'all now that I'm not drinking.
• 2:10:50
  But I since I y'all know I got a stash buddy and I ain't throwing
• 2:10:52
  it away. So I'll have a sit with you guys
• 2:10:55
  when y'all come. But Boyd was telling us about
• 2:10:57
  the Ragweed show. Dalton how?
• 2:10:59
  How was that experience for you, brother?
• 2:11:01
  Man, I'm still like 12 feet high right now.
• 2:11:04
  I've been wearing this shirt for three days.
• 2:11:07
  So if you go see a dog Bush show in the next 6 to 8 months, good
• 2:11:11
  chance he's going to have all that ragweed shirt.
• 2:11:13
  Yep, Yep, and playing more bowling than bowling plays.
• 2:11:16
  How good? How good?
• 2:11:17
  How good was bowling dog? Because I'm a huge bowling guy,
• 2:11:19
  too, man. That's my guy.
• 2:11:20
  It was great. I mean, the intro they walked
• 2:11:23
  out to, you know, the boys are back in town.
• 2:11:25
  Yeah, the whole show, like he hit all the hits and he hit on
• 2:11:29
  the new record, a couple songs on the new record.
• 2:11:32
  I mean, you really couldn't ask for a better 30 minute like
• 2:11:35
  slide, you know? Yeah, I bet, man, that's insane.
• 2:11:38
  And I hope this turns into some more work for them and, and more
• 2:11:41
  shows and, and and more, more places and opportunities for
• 2:11:44
  fans and people like us to get to go see them.
• 2:11:46
  Because I want to catch some of that while it's while it's
• 2:11:49
  happening right now too. For sure.
• 2:11:51
  I'm hoping, like you said, this sparks a fire for not only
• 2:11:54
  those, you know, 6 artists, but all the other guys that we
• 2:11:56
  talked about, you know, like Dallas Moore and and and Wade
• 2:12:00
  and Randy and Val Adam. Hood and.
• 2:12:02
  Adam Hood. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:12:04
  Absolutely and and you know, I want to make sure to get the
• 2:12:07
  Wayne Mills band stuff up and going so everybody once they're
• 2:12:10
  going down those rabbit holes, can and can see where I come
• 2:12:12
  from on that on that level. Well, boys, it was good to see
• 2:12:15
  y'all. I know y'all got all kinds of
• 2:12:16
  catting around to do y'all keep Nashville straight and safe and
• 2:12:21
  like the do gooders you guys are and I hope to see y'all soon.
• 2:12:25
  Boyd, thanks for coming on. I know we're on here for a long
• 2:12:27
  time and we'll do it again soon. If anybody's got questions or
• 2:12:30
  comments for either these guys, 424 handler, leave us a
• 2:12:33
  voicemail, hit us on socials, all that fun stuff.
• 2:12:36
  Thank you fellas. I'll be safe.
• 2:12:38
  Holler at me sometime. Love y'all.
• 2:12:40
  We'll see y'all soon. Well, that sure was fun.
• 2:12:44
  That was my brother. Boyd calls the current tour
• 2:12:46
  manager for Chase Matthew. Go check them out at a show.
• 2:12:50
  Sounds like they're having a lot of fun on the road.
• 2:12:52
  Come see us at a Justin More concert.
• 2:12:54
  Hit us up on socials like rate, subscribe, click, all that fun
• 2:12:57
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• 2:12:58
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• 2:13:02
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• 2:13:04
  Hope you all enjoyed this one and come see us next week.
• 2:13:08
  Download these and and see us every week and hope you enjoyed
• 2:13:12
  it. Until next time, I'm Jr. the
• 2:13:15
  Handler. This is the Jr. the Handler show
• 2:13:16
  and I'll see you down that old dusty country Rd. of music.