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Ep. 743: Stuffing Your Pet · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: these days about the death of late night television. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you probably don't know where I'm going with this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where you're going with it, but I've
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Someone even said it's a it's a by the
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  Speaker 1: Colbert losing his show as a it's bad for the
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  Speaker 1: it's against the constitution. You aware of this.
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  Speaker 3: I was not aware of that.
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  Speaker 1: I read it today. But uh, I'm going somewhere with
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  Speaker 1: this real quick. But I mean, the dude makes you know,
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  Speaker 1: he makes twenty million a year, twenty million dollars a year,
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  Speaker 1: and the show loses forty million dollars a year. The
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  Speaker 1: reason I bring this up is, you know, and those
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  Speaker 1: kind of shows their eyes go great show for you tonight,
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  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 3: Are you going to start doing that?
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  Speaker 1: No, because they're not. They're not gonna be able to
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  Speaker 1: do it for long.
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  Speaker 4: Someone's got to carry got to.
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  Speaker 1: Say it show today, ladies and gentlemen. Good thing we
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  Speaker 1: recorded in the morning. That's what I said today.
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  Speaker 2: We should just try to have this air late night
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  Speaker 2: and you can be the new late night shtick thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah or yeah, or we do like a deal where
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  Speaker 1: we do some analytics and find out when people mostly
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  Speaker 1: listen to the show and just cater to that group.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, ten am we do a traffic report.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I want to steal the late night group.
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  Speaker 1: Wait till we get a band in here. I mean
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  Speaker 1: one of those late night shows had their budget. They
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  Speaker 1: had to get rid of their.
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  Speaker 2: Talented individuals like I've seen Phil on all kinds of instruments.
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  Speaker 3: For the kids, flute, who plays the drums in here?
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  Speaker 3: You can bang on drums now.
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  Speaker 1: And then I got to get a suit and time
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  Speaker 1: because those guys, for some weird ass reason, wear suits
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  Speaker 1: and ties. I'll never understand nighttime guys. Nighttime show guys
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  Speaker 1: were a suit and tie. Sports guys wear suit and ties.
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  Speaker 1: Which seems why are not just like you're doing sports?
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  Speaker 2: What's that we could have first, like make you a
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  Speaker 2: special suit for the show?
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  Speaker 1: Great show for you this morning, ladies and gentlemen. We
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  Speaker 1: have on this is great, This is like, this is
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  Speaker 1: this is mega producing on Krin's Park. To bring this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing together, we have on the co owners of
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  Speaker 1: pardon me, Bishoffs, Yeah, the co owners of Bischoff's The
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  Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom, a tax dermy shop in Hollywood, California, Ace
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  Speaker 1: and Ray. Okay, the shop here, I'm this is Krin's intro.
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  Speaker 1: It's great. The shop is three hundred years old this.
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  Speaker 3: Year, one hundred and three.
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  Speaker 1: What did I say? Yeah, history by that number, I've
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  Speaker 1: been married seventy one years.
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  Speaker 4: Goes back to Spanish California.
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  Speaker 1: I've been married seventy one years and uh yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm fifteen years old. Uh. The shop is one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and three years old this year. It's known for creating
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  Speaker 1: prop animals for movies and films, but more recently they
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  Speaker 1: become famous as the go to spot for pet owners
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  Speaker 1: who want to preserve dogs, cats, birds, you name it, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Now the reason one of the reasons you boys are here,
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  Speaker 1: Ason ray Is because we have a sort of this
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit of a problem here because we
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  Speaker 1: have a like official tax dermist, John Hayes from Hayes
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  Speaker 1: tax Dermy Studio. Don't you for a minute think.
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  Speaker 5: You're jump out.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you for a minute think you're here to steal
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  Speaker 1: John Hayes's thunder. But Karinn put it to John Hayes,
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  Speaker 1: do you do pets, to which John Hayes said, no, right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into why, but he's he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: do pets, and so therefore we had to bring you
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  Speaker 1: Fellers in to fill our pet niche but also just
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  Speaker 1: a totally different world. But I just don't want you
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  Speaker 1: to start thinking that you're like, oh John Hayes.
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  Speaker 3: Now yeah, but like if you want, he's.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna get a hat that says he's gonna get it.
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  Speaker 1: Hayes tax Dermy hat says better than I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: did bring.
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  Speaker 5: A hot out.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, something to do with John Hayes. Listen, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to confuse. Yeah, we're gonna show him a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of Hayes texts Dremy work and say like, how
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  Speaker 1: could you improve upon it? So from we caught Wendy
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  Speaker 1: we caught wend of h we caught Wendy guys because
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  Speaker 1: you were recently. Uh, there was a recent article in
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  Speaker 1: the La Times which which uh caught our fancy. Here's
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  Speaker 1: a passage from the article. Ace Alexander, raise your hand.
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  Speaker 4: For those of you listening.
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  Speaker 1: The guy in the middle, who I like how they
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  Speaker 1: point out the article, who is forty years old? Are
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  Speaker 1: you still forty?
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  Speaker 5: I'm still forty?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And Ray Masius am I saying that? Rightsius? Who is
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  Speaker 1: fifty five?
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  Speaker 7: Can that one up?
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  Speaker 1: The four still fifty five? Okay? Good, that's show us
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  Speaker 1: how freshest article is right. The or the fourth owners
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  Speaker 1: in Bischoff's long history have steered the company to meet
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  Speaker 1: the new demand, meaning pet stuffing, well not stuffing. We'll
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  Speaker 1: cover details, describing each other as good friends. The two
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  Speaker 1: men dressed similarly. This is such like weird things that
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't cover. The two men dressed similarly. Okay. They like
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  Speaker 1: to wear black T shirts and black pants, which one
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  Speaker 1: of you is not doing. That checks out, though. Let
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  Speaker 1: me see your pants. We'll call your pants darkwashed. Why
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  Speaker 1: do they care about that?
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  Speaker 5: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, if someone featured this place they'd say the same thing.
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  Speaker 8: It's a lot of guys between the ages of twenty
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  Speaker 8: five and forty five wearing tallive and tan colored clothing.
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  Speaker 9: It reads like a like a GQ feature, Like the
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  Speaker 9: first sentence is George Clooney takes a bite of his
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  Speaker 9: flying Yeah, we know who.
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  Speaker 1: They usually do that too in the media, and I
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  Speaker 1: guess it pisses women off. But like even women politicians,
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  Speaker 1: they're always as commentary about what they're wearing, always like
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  Speaker 1: what are they wearing? What are they wearing?
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  Speaker 3: So superficial, but.
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  Speaker 1: This being the La times, I guess it's important for
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  Speaker 1: them to point out that you guys wear you'd like
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  Speaker 1: to wear black clothes because that way the blood doesn't show. Probably,
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  Speaker 1: it says you guys are so in sync, and we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have ninety minutes to find out if this is true.
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  Speaker 1: The article says, you're so in sync you sometimes finish
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  Speaker 1: each other's thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: Damn okay.
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  Speaker 1: You start a thought, what are you thinking right now?
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  Speaker 1: You say right now, I'm saying right now, I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 10: I think it's uh okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then tell what he's thinking.
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  Speaker 5: That's pretty well to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you're thinking about that right now. Since
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  Speaker 1: taking over the business, both have transitioned to primarily vegan diets.
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  Speaker 1: Is it like the ice cream person that doesn't eat
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  Speaker 1: ice cream anymore?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 11: No, no, See, for me, I just like eating I
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  Speaker 11: eat meat. I just eat clean meat. Be So it
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  Speaker 11: just means I like my grains and I like my meats.
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  Speaker 11: I don't.
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  Speaker 5: It's not, you know, sound like vegetables.
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  Speaker 11: I I eat healthy, you know what I mean, like
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  Speaker 11: to my standards of what everybody has around idea of
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  Speaker 11: what healthy is depending on what you read.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we're just checking out the other time.
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  Speaker 2: Yea, was that inaccurate reporting because.
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  Speaker 1: Primarily you eat mostly vegetables.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he needs more towards the vegan die.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Sure, once in a while. Weekends, I you know, I
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  Speaker 10: eat whatever I want so, but during the week I
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  Speaker 10: kind of keep it, try to keep it as clean
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  Speaker 10: as possible and for.
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  Speaker 6: My own you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not here to tell you what to eat.
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  Speaker 4: No, of course, we're just fact checking.
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  Speaker 1: Bishoffs used to be the tax dermist to the stars
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  Speaker 1: in the trophy area, but now we're taxed dermis in
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  Speaker 1: the pet pet preservation area. Then you got to quote
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  Speaker 1: that I don't agree with, but it's probably true for
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  Speaker 1: your clientele. He says, people no longer hunt now they
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  Speaker 1: just love their pets, which I would mostly agree with.
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  Speaker 2: California, Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: So we asked them to come on and talk about
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  Speaker 1: their their unique the history of bishops and their unique niche.
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  Speaker 1: And assuming you guys are still in the movie business, Yeah, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna talk about all that like
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  Speaker 1: an aspect of tax deurmy that you're that our listeners
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  Speaker 1: are probably unaware of. But first in the news, Seth's
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  Speaker 1: wife in the news. No, okay, let me find what
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about with Seth's wife. Everyone knows Sess's wife,
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  Speaker 1: should know. Sess's wife is a Kelsey Morris.
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  Speaker 7: I was gonna say, does she have a name.
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  Speaker 1: Her name is Kel's Morris. If you need to know,
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  Speaker 1: where's my picture? So we're right now Randon and I
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  Speaker 1: are recording our third volume of me Eater's American History.
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  Speaker 1: We did The Long Hunters seventeen sixty three to seventeen
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  Speaker 1: seventy five, and that's about Daniel Boone and the deerskin trade.
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  Speaker 1: Then we did The Mountain Men, eighteen oh six to
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  Speaker 1: eighteen forty, which is about folks like Jim Bridger and
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  Speaker 1: the beaver skin trade. And now we're recording The Hide Hunters,
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  Speaker 1: which is about the buffalo skin trade, and that goes
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  Speaker 1: from eighteen sixty five, the close of the Civil War
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  Speaker 1: to eighteen eighty three, which was the last big kill.
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey Morris, the artist, has done all of our covers.
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  Speaker 1: She did a skull, she did it. We had for
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  Speaker 1: long Hunters, should be in here, somewhere, the original till
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  Speaker 1: I happened to it. Oh, it's in the kitchen. For
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  Speaker 1: the long Hunters, she did us a white tailed deer
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  Speaker 1: skull with a bullet hole punched in his head. For
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  Speaker 1: the mountain men, she did us a rocky mountain beaver trapper,
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  Speaker 1: a mountain man. Where's the where's the thing we had
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  Speaker 1: a minute ago that was showing you.
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  Speaker 4: In your email? It's an email from hunter.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's the problem, he said it to me. I
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  Speaker 1: can't find it. Uh huh, must have deleted or something.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, got it, got it, got it, got it?
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  Speaker 1: Where was I For.
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  Speaker 4: The listeners at home? There's now an image on Steve's computer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna show it. To the camera if you
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  Speaker 1: give me a second.
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  Speaker 8: No, no, but I'm just I'm doing the thing for
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  Speaker 8: the people that are driving right now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh that's good. Yeah. For the mountain men, she
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  Speaker 1: did a rocky mountain, beaver trapper mountain. For the hide hunters.
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  Speaker 1: We did the thing that was most logical to us,
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  Speaker 1: because we want all the when there, when it's all
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  Speaker 1: said and done, it'll look like a collection. It looks
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  Speaker 1: like a collection. You'll you'll go on to eat apple
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  Speaker 1: books or whatever the hell, and you'll be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is like a thing like these all go together
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  Speaker 1: and they track through time. Well, we had her do
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  Speaker 1: a buffalo skull with bullet bullethole punched in his head,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not where the hide hunters shot him.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great point.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a factual problem. They didn't shoot him there.
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  Speaker 1: And we describe in great detail shot hide hunter shot placement,
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  Speaker 1: which includes some horrifying shot placement.
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  Speaker 4: Deliberate, deliberately horrified.
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  Speaker 1: What's it was an example, I'll give you an example.
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  Speaker 1: For the most part, they shot for the lights, meaning
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  Speaker 1: the lungs. However, we explained in great detail what a
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  Speaker 1: stand was like, how they manage their shooting. The objective
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  Speaker 1: was that you get forty to fifty of them in
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  Speaker 1: a pile. You didn't want them scattered all over hell
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  Speaker 1: because it's hard for the skinners. You'd want them in
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  Speaker 1: a pile. So they do a thing called a stand.
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  Speaker 1: When doing a stand, you had to be careful about
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  Speaker 1: the first one you hit. If you hit in the heart,
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  Speaker 1: it might run one hundred yards and that causes too
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  Speaker 1: much chaos. So they wanted to anchor them. No, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's terrible.
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  Speaker 4: They wanted them to wobble around.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to, as they put it, make them sick.
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  Speaker 1: They shoot the wound, they would call it making them sick.
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  Speaker 1: So the first one or two they'd like to hit
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  Speaker 1: them right in front of the hips. Oh, Gutcha the
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  Speaker 1: only And we're teasing Reeve because Reeve has been engineering
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  Speaker 1: for us and the first woman that made it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a male heavy story, the story of
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  Speaker 1: the Hide Hunters. Imagine it tends to be for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: tends to be a lot of guys running around of
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  Speaker 1: the high Hunters. But we're laughing with Riva because the
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  Speaker 1: first woman that we quote, the first woman that we
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  Speaker 1: quote in the whole project is saying it was so
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  Speaker 1: fun to watch Daddy and the guys shoot. They would
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  Speaker 1: shoot and make them sick.
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  Speaker 8: It's like the most disturbing line of text in the
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  Speaker 8: whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Then, so we're like, reave a perk right up when
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  Speaker 1: a woman came in. But that was immediately disappointed. So
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  Speaker 1: they but they rejected our They rejected the publisher not
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  Speaker 1: rejected like it's not a good word for it.
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  Speaker 4: They asked for alternatives.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't like the skull because it looked too much
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  Speaker 1: like the other skull.
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  Speaker 4: With the hole in it, which is fair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then these kind of things you can
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  Speaker 1: pitch a fit, but you're burning uh what are you
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  Speaker 1: burning capital? Capital? Yeah, you're burning capital.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to spend it on that or on
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  Speaker 4: something else that really?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Or would you rather fight about if they come back
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, how come there's only one woman
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  Speaker 1: and she's crazy? Right, then you can then you can
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  Speaker 1: right fight about that. But so we don't want to
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  Speaker 1: fight about the cover, So seth we we're gonna settle
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  Speaker 1: up on the original picture. Yeah, so it's not a
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  Speaker 1: hit to your family finances. Good, That's what I like
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  Speaker 1: to hear. And now we're gonna do this. Where do
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  Speaker 1: I aim at? Phil?
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  Speaker 7: I just directly in front of you.
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  Speaker 1: Can that camera zoom in though it cannot?
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  Speaker 9: But if I don't know, if you can slack this
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  Speaker 9: to be random, I can put it on the screen
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  Speaker 9: on the TV.
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  Speaker 7: That's even worse.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe hold this over there, Maybe hold this over there.
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  Speaker 7: Now it's a it's going to be out of focus.
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  Speaker 9: All these cameras are on manual focus, so they if
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  Speaker 9: you hold it right up to the camera, it's gonna
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  Speaker 9: be fuzzy.
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  Speaker 1: How about that.
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  Speaker 7: I'll put it on on the TV and on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: That's one way to do it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you're surrounded by a bunch of barbarians, Phil, I'm sorry, Phil.
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  Speaker 1: That's good news. It's good news for Seth. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of bad news for Kelsey because she was explaining
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  Speaker 1: to me that she's a little bit in vacation mode
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  Speaker 1: right now. She is, but.
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  Speaker 12: She can really be in vacation mode when she's actually
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  Speaker 12: on vacation to Ben keep her busy.
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  Speaker 1: And we're working on that right now, right here in
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  Speaker 1: this all all damn day long. Here's a little tidbit
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  Speaker 1: that we're here's just one little tidbit from Yeah, here's
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  Speaker 1: one little tidbit from Hide Hunters. This is one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite little tidbits, and it's just packed full of
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  Speaker 1: freakish stuff. There's a guy that there's a hide hunter
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  Speaker 1: what was his name? Shoots a shoots a buffalo, goes
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  Speaker 1: up to skin it or shoots it, and it stands
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  Speaker 1: up and goes to attack them.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, is it Kelly Shoot?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Kelly shoot. Shoots boll by Fort Betton, Montana.
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  Speaker 1: Shoots a buffalo, realize it's not dead, gets his pistol
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  Speaker 1: out to try to finish it off. It stands up
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  Speaker 1: and comes at him. He's in such a hurry to
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  Speaker 1: get on his horse and get out of there that
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  Speaker 1: as he's jumping on his horse, accidentally shoots his horse
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  Speaker 1: in the neck. So now the wounded buffalo is chasing
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  Speaker 1: the wounded horse and they both die.
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  Speaker 4: And he walks away and Kelly walks away unscathed.
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  Speaker 7: Geez.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of seventy thousand words of this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Rough for a horse man a buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, seventy thousand words of this stuff, and it also
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  Speaker 1: explains a great detail, not just that, but sciencey stuff,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sciencey stuff, like you never knew so
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  Speaker 1: much about mills, production, steam engines, industrial belting, history of
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  Speaker 1: guns as you will when you have this.
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  Speaker 7: Does this do you cover a bunch of different states?
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  Speaker 1: Where does this mostly take place? The main action we
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  Speaker 1: get into occurs. I mean it's all over because there's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one minute, you're out in New England because
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  Speaker 1: of hemlocks and tanning, like how tanning worked. But the
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  Speaker 1: main action Western Kansas, North Texas. Oh, really, eastern Montana,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the real big like I would have thought, like the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Dakota's now, No, I mean that's in there. It's real big. Shoot.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Oh go ahead.
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: I was gonna say, it's like eastern Montana bleeding into
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: the western part of the Dakotas and northern Wyoming.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: But like the heart of it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: Is along the train tracks, and I mean because it
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: all falls the railroad.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: The way to think about it too is that like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: we begin to start the hide hunt. The big final
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: hide hunt didn't kick in until the mid seventies, eighteen
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: seventeen seventies, so at that point the population was kind
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: of reduced down to these real core pieces of habitat,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: like the fringes. All the fringe was gone, do you
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was just like you had
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: these sort of like main population kind of like down
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like down the center of the Great Plains gotchah. By
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that point people thought of it. There was the Northern
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Herd and the Southern Herd, because all the transcontinental railroads
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and the Oregon Trail and stuff had kind of by
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that point cleared the middle out and pushed everything away.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: So people would talk about it distinctly like north of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the Platte and south of the Platte. Yeah, I mean
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: even in that era, there was the North Herd and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the South Herd, and it was kind of that main
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: those sort of like main population centers. And so the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: hide hunt occurs in two stages, like the Southern Herd,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: whose if you imagine, like the core of the Southern
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Herd would be the top of the Texas Panhandle, the
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma Panhandle and then up into Kansas. From there it
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: was sort of like that's where you could still go
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and see a million animals. Oh really, yeah, like you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: could still go in lay eyes on a million animals
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in a group.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: And Northern Herd was smaller at that point, that's a
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: good question.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Probably I believe it was.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a little smaller. Yeah, but you could still
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: go to Miles City, Montana and and maybe not look
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: at a million, but look at a lot. Yeah, look
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: at hundreds of thousands.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: I mean in the early eighteen eighties, they're they're killing
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: hundreds of thousands.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: Uh.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Speaking of buffalo, here's the thing we've been to it
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: working on. I'm guessing Phil can't see this. So our cookbooks,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: our wild game cookbooks, we always have jerky recipes in
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: our wild game cookbooks were coming out with uh, buffalo jerky,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: bison jerky, whatever the hell you want to call it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: We call it American buffalo. But then, just to this
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: is the first thing we talk about in our hide
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Hunter series. The first thing we talk about is why
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the words bison and why the word's buffalo, and which
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: one is right. I'm a buffalo man myself. Randall Ten's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: toward bison, but I've bullied him into being a buffalo man.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I buffaloed him.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: It's better for storytelling.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I buffaloed him into being a buffalo man. There's a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: whole long story here, Like there's the fashionable number. One
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: time we had thirty two million, forty million buffalo in
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: our country. Now we got a half million. Of those
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: ninety four percent are privately owned. We don't get into
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this in our story really, but there's a part of this,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like private producers, private ranchers save the animal from extinction,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and today they're the ones that keep it like ecologically viable. Yeah,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: genetically viable and present on the landscape. Like when you're
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: driving down the road and you see a buffalo, nine
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: out of ten, it's because a guy owns it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: It's livestock.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is like I'd rather have. I'd rather
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: have tons of wild ones. Politically, I believe in maneuvering
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: for more wild ones on the landscape, Like we need
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to recover the species. But right now, it's its strength
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: comes from its popularity as a game meet, right as
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a wild meat, a farm raised wild meat. So we're
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: doing these jerky packs where we take the recipes from
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: our cookbooks and cook them into American buffalo jerky. A
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: lot of buffalo stuff going on right now around here.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: You guys have stuff with buffalo.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really, when's that available? Oh, we're teasing it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: August eleven, twenty twenty five. I'll be fighting a big o'
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: hallib it that day. August eleven, twenty twenty five is
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a launch date. We're just launching in classic pepper more
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: flavors to come.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned at a new site meet it or snacks
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: dot com, Meet.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: It snacks dot com. Now is this is the is
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the next thing? Are we just into the show? Now?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Yes? We can skip the stolen valor stuff.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: If you talk about it's we're talking about see because
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you guys, you guys occupy it like a unique niche
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and tax dermy. But we were talking about a guy
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: saying like, like, at what point is taxidermy stolen valor?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Meaning like if you if you hunt deer and you
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: have a hunting cabin and you go buy a giant buck,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a giant stuffed buck and put it in the tax
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: in your cabin to a way that people visiting your
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: cabin might logically be like, he got that buck, Yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: but you didn't you bought it? Is that stolen valor?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And so we're trying to weigh out like how this
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: whole thing works. But you you don't need to weigh
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: in on that, because I don't want you to alienate
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: your clientele.
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: No, no, no, I mean it feels it just depends.
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: If they actually hunt and then they go purchase, they
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: go purchase something huge from us, then it seems a
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: little bit like stolen that. But if they're just like
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: stylists or house decorators, yes, for people who just you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: they're not in the hunting world, then it might not
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: be stole that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: That's where we landed. That's where I landed. I landed.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Is like, are you using it in the way that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: could be deceptive?
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's one thing? Yeah, right?
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Or is it?
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: I mean I think like if it's if it's someone
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: you know, if it's like a friend's animal or something like,
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: you have a sentimental connection to it, like it has
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: meaning to you.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Other than I just took possession of all my dad's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: texts for me, well four pieces.
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got a buddies I've got a buddy's fish
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: in my garage that's stolen valor.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Your dad, like everybodys good passed away. I'm sorry, my condolences.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: What kind of fish? Is it? Huge?
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: It's a big it's a giant snook.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Dad?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Actually is there?
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: If no, no, no, if I walked into your garage
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and you weren't home, what I think holy ship, Randa
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: caught a big what was it?
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Snook?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's stolen valor, but I didn't catch.
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: If I'm not home though, if you're in my garage
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: when I'm not home, but stole ship.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't know Randall was a snook fisherman.
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess. I guess in the absence of any context,
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: you could jump to that conclusion. But most people walk
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: in they say, oh, that that's a like, where'd you
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: get that?
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: That's a big snook? And I'll go it's it was
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: my buddies.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Does it look old like it's it's a it's not
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a partritional it's the original.
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: I think, like if there's been multiple times where you
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: have given stuff away after a trip, like I always
• 26:07
  Speaker 12: regret it, Like you're your bear from the spring you
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: gave I think he gave the chili.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: The skull, Yeah, I gave.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I give him my shoulder mount to Chili.
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: And Jili is going to office boil that up and
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: put it on a shelf and be like, that's from
• 26:19
  Speaker 12: the hunt I was on with Steve.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Steve got that or else it stolen ballant.
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that is just like he's gonna display
• 26:28
  Speaker 12: that as.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: That man was so small that he stolen embarrassment. I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna bring it up. But you want to claim that,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you can go ahead.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: The funny thing about that snook, too, is when I
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: walked into my buddy's office one time and I was like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: holy shit, that's a big snook.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Where'd you get that?
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: And he goes, oh, he spread this out because my
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: dad caught it, and then I got it when he died.
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: And now I have that fish and I do the
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: same thing all the way.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, here's a tax to me question. Yeah, so this
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: this I got this bear well over twenty years ago.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Did you shoot all them holes in there?
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: No?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I only shot him one time? It was actually maybe
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that's no, no, no, no, this has been This has been
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: employed as a half dozen Halloween costumes. I mean, this
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: has been through heavy is this? Uh? Here's the thing
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I worry about. There's nothing you can do to save
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: this now?
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Or how would you save it?
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: For the audio listeners? What are we doing here?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Oh? Sorry? Sorry? Phil. Up until this point it looks
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: like a polar bear, but it's a black bear and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I and it's it's sun bleached. I keep I keep
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it out. We have at like an outdoor patio that's
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: kind of covered, and I keep it over the couch.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And so over the years it bleached to like a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: polar bear. It's my favorite thing. Really not my favorite thing,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite, uh specimens. I feel like it's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: gotten wiry. It's it needs a good shampoo.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: So I was saying, among other things, yes, uh.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I want to give it a good shampooing. But I'm
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: afraid if it gets wet, it's just gonna fall apart.
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: It's gonna get stiff and fall apart on you. You agree, yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You can? What could I do? What could I? Is
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: there anything I could do?
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: You could oil it?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I did, maybe maybe a little longer than what would
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you put on there in your professional opinion.
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: You know, even Mackenzie oils is you know, there's plenty
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: of tacks from your companies that have oils. Just a
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: leather oil, baseball glove oil, you know, any kind of
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: old to just kind of seep into there a little bit,
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: brush it on and then honestly ad lay a mesh
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: and then latex it just because you see these tears
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: over time you wear that thing, you pull it together.
• 28:43
  Speaker 11: You need something to hold it together. Otherwise it's gonna
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: it's gonna end up breaking on you eventually.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: So if I shampoo it, I'm screwed.
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, it's gonna be stiff as a rock. I
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: mean it's it's yeah, you can't because you're rehydrating it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: So unless you're gonna mount it, no, it's it's gonna
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: inania meant it's not gonna work.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: But I gotta say fundamental value.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: I could latex it, well, you'd have to.
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: You'd have to lay like a little layer of mesh
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: over it with adhesive, like flexible adhesive, got it, because
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: that'll create a bomb pretty much. It'll be like a
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: skin on the skin, just kind of holding it. So
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: if you're going to tear this, that holds it together,
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: and then you can like to latex over that or
• 29:19
  Speaker 11: back it with something else, whether it's felt.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Like a.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, flexible.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Do people ever bring you stuff like this in your
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: shop all the time? Do you turn them away?
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: Usually?
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: If it's like most of the time, we we really
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: it's not because we don't want this, because we're so
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: basic with all other things that you know, we don't
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: really have the time.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: And then our guy like he mentioned.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: He passed, or your rug guy.
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's like, unfortunately we haven't found anyone yet, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: so we we mostly.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Turn them away.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: So if I came in and I was like, please
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you turn me away?
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: How much capital you have?
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: It sounds but then it just it pulls us away
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: from bigger, more important projects, sometimes more important.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: This looks like, this looks like a passion project. Does
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: it looks like.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I wasn't planning on getting this out. But and when
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you guys came in, we got to talking about just
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: obviously you taxed there. I mean, it brought to my
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: my main problem in life right now. But I'm going
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to pursue. You might think it's crazy because it's probably
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: like a lot of money for what I'm sitting here with,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to pursue this mesh adhesive solution. Absolutely,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: what am I looking at? How much? How much money
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: am I looking at to fix that up?
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: I mean it's not it's just time, honestly. I mean
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: for US.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Four fifty oh oh, it's worth to me. It's my
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: first pair, first pair. Yeah, how you wouldn't guess it
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: from looking at it. It was a huge bear. I couldn't
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: roll that sucker over.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Should have seen this thing when it started.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So did you guys go to taxi army school? How'd
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you how'd you you know?
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: How do you get in just the old timers at Bishops? Yeah?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you started out working there?
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: So it was old an Larry, it was like my mentor,
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: and he was part of the some of the original Bishops.
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: He was there maybe the forties fifties, and he's passed on.
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: But yeah, I just came in and I was doing
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: just music before that, and I friend of mine I
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: was like, hey, Gary's going out of town blah blah blah.
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: He watched the shop and then I met Larry and
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: he was mounting a crow in the back and he's like.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Hey, grumb here, yeah, show him out a crow. And
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: I was like, it's kind of.
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: This is kind of interesting, you know what I mean.
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: And it just kind of went from there.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But you were working there though, I was.
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I've been working there for like yeah, yeah, four
• 32:03
  Speaker 11: or five months, and then Larry came in and then
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: it just it's just you know, I started picking things
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: up working there, and it all started coming together.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: H ray, what about you?
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: Well, a little bit later on, he mentioned that Gary
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: wanted to retire and they wanted to sell out, so
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: we just jokingly said, well, let's jump in, let's buy it,
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: you know, because he knew the numbers, he was running
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: the shop.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So oh, but how long had you been there at
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that point?
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: I hadn't.
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: I had just been there once or twice to.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: So you guys were buddies. Yeah, what how were you guys? Buddies? Well?
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: We met through music.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: What kind of music? Just rock?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Like you guys like to play?
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we had different projects and then he had some
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: songs and then I was gonna do some vocals on
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: the songs. And then just through the years we became friends.
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: And I think for whatever reason, we were driving by
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: the shop one day and I was just like, dude,
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: you got to check out the shop, and then he
• 33:04
  Speaker 11: checked it. I was like like, wow, this is impressive.
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: It's like a natural history museum that you can be
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: up close with.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: But you didn't know anything about tax dermy.
• 33:10
  Speaker 10: I mean, I knew about it, but I really, you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 10: it never crossed my mind like to you know, get
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: into it. Oh my god, you know, like I want
• 33:18
  Speaker 10: to learn or anything like that. I just thought it
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: was so cool, like to see the specimen, you know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 10: all these pieces out there and beautiful and uh it's
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: like he said, like stepping into a museum.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: So it was, you know, just so impressive.
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: But uh, I never really thought about how is it done,
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: you know, why is it done? Or ah, to really
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: go deep into it until he mentioned that, you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: they wanted to retire and he said the numbers look good.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: So oh so he says to you, yeah, you're aware
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that tax deurmy is a thing, right, and you're like
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: looking at it, and then A says, do you want
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: to buy a text to what? You're like, yeah, yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: let's do it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: Let's jump on it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: You know a.
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: Classic, it's the classic rock music to textrmy pipe.
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: Slippers Love.
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: So you know, we just jumped in and we got
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: into it and uh, just roll with the punches, you know.
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: So one time we were about to close the deal,
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: right and he said, hey, I'm staying late because you
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: know I wasn't really there yet. I'm staying late. I'm
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: skinning a coyote and I said, hold on, I'm going
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: there and let me do it. So I got just
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: show up in the evening and started skinning a coyote.
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: You know, he was kind of showing me around. So
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: that's kind of my first tryad. Actually, Yeah, do you
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: know people.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: How many like what what what is this? Like bischofs
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: at the time, what was the scale of the business?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I mean employee wise, yeah, or just whatever you're you're
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: cranking out? What kind of work?
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: And I mean it's hard to say because it just
• 35:13
  Speaker 11: depends on the size of the project. So sometimes it'll
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: be like a big movie project and they want like
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: an animatoric cow that's laying outside with a lot of
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: servos and stuff going on.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: So that's what servos and just electronic.
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so it'll be like a you know, RV whatever
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: those little letters and then so that project takes a
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: lot more time, you know what I mean. So it
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: just depends, and we're doing a lot of things at
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: the same time. So you'll see amount being done, pet
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: being finished, You'll see.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Like a hunting a mount being done, Yeah, pet.
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: Being finished, a fake life sized bear that's ten foot
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: you know, being fabricated for something where they don't want
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: to use real fur whatever is you know, So, like
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: we have a bunch of different projects going on at
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: the same time.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: In a studio.
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: In studio, yeah, yeah, exactly, but how many people were
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: working there depends on project. Normally bring them in depending
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: on what's going on. Yeah, so on average, like six
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: six is kind of like the are straightforward number, but
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: then we bring in subcontractors. On electronics, there's phenomenal sculptors Jesse.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: We got a lot of people who are just.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: Great makers and things.
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: It depends on how big the project and how our
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: time frame. So sometimes you know, the studios the movies
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: are always like can you do you know, can you
• 36:34
  Speaker 10: have it by Friday?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: And it's like sure, his wife bar.
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: Did you guys have like other than music? Did you
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: did you work in like another? I mean did you
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: were you in like a physical did you sculptor or
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: painting or drawing or did you have a mechanical background.
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: I have a mechanical background, Okay, yeah, yeah, So I
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: used to I used to have a smoke check station
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: in California. We do, you know, emission inspections for vehicles
• 37:04
  Speaker 10: so they don't pollute. So I had a license I
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: was a technician, you know, so I was handy and
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: I did I did go to school for the electronics
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: you know, like low voltage stuff, so that kind of
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: came in handy when it came down to U servos
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: and mechanical stuff and electronics stuff.
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: So the average day, you guys could be mounting a
• 37:28
  Speaker 12: buck from some joe blow that brought a buck in
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: that killed one hunting to like making stuff for movies.
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: Yeah, sometimes he's working on a on a you know,
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: on that or a taxi in peace, and I'll be
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: working on a on a structure for a for a
• 37:44
  Speaker 10: dead dog or something that they're going to need, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: like like so and then we do uh he does
• 37:52
  Speaker 10: the final details. I'll get it ready for you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: just for the final painting and rushing and details.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: So we kind of like switch over.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: It like yeah, so we got to see I mean
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: like he could.
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: Well, he does all the other stuff, you know, a
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: lot of the that kind of stuff I do more
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: than I do, like the finish worth, the airbrush and
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: all that kind of stuff.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to get a job down there man.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Internship for a while.
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's interesting, I mean it's it's challenging because every time,
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: you know, you gotta we start from scratch and we
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: gotta figure out you know, every time it's a little
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: different because they always want some different you know. It's sure,
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: it's rare when we do like the same thing, you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: like the same uh kind of prop So they always
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: want something.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's back up to music for one sec. So
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the Blizzard of Oz just died, you guys, Yes, Like,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: so if I just give me thumbs up, thumbs down,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: war Pigs, yeah good, Crazy Train.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah really good.
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: Let the record show that to both of those questions
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: they responded to.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: The affirmative with war Pigs was like a tentative. It
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: was like they thought about it. But Crazy Train was like, yeah,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that was a no brainer. Yeah, war Pisa, let me
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: hate with this one. Him doing all them stupid reality shows.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: They didn't thumb It felt like a thumb down.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll go between.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: You don't want to speak.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Somewhat entertaining, but.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Osborne's is very entertaining.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I never watched it. I could tell you a long
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: fifteen minute story about Crazy Train that involved me and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Craig Kemp from high school, but I'm not gonna just
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: want more. It'll be like an appendix, can we do?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: We should start doing appendixes on the.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: Show post credits scenes.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like an appendix to the show. You do the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: parts you couldn't fit in it? Yeah? How does the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: how does the movie trust me? I want I want
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to get to like just the emotional aspects of the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: pet trade, but or the pet business. But like, how
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: does movie business come to you? Do you? I mean,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: like like who who comes to you? Is it an agent?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Is it a director? Like like how do they explain
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: their vision?
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: I mean it's they just everybody reaches out, whether it's
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: prop master, whether it's product. You know, anybody in the
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: production will reach out. I mean at this point, I
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: think it's established enough. I mean even long before we
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: were there, well Gary, Mary were, they're the previous owners
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: that they just give us a call. Literally, it's just
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: we pick up the phone, Bishops and they'll be like, hey,
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: we're working on the show. We need a fake pig.
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: Someone's got to stab it. There's got to be blood
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: coming out the other side. We gotta drag it, make
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: it flexible, make it heavy.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: The actor, does you know what I mean?
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: And then and then they'll be like, but we need
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: it in two weeks, and then you gotta you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: you gotta figure it out.
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: And then we tell them, yeah, we need at least
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: two weeks, and then they're they're still working on it.
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: And then five days go by and they give us
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: a green light. So for the same day, Well, they
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: go back and forth and figuring things out.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are you able to like, can you name some
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: films that people might have seen some of your stuff in?
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. We did West Road, We worked on
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: land Man.
• 41:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, let's let's done a lot of Yellowstone stuff, The Night,
• 41:24
  Speaker 11: all the nineteen twenty three, A lot of the Tailers
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: and stuff we definitely worked on.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: I was just in what the snakes for? I forgot.
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: I was just I mean, the thing is, by the
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: time the shows come out, I don't even know what
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: it was for.
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah. Sometimes we don't even know they showed. We just
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: have the production company name and we don't know.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: You never you don't like follow along? No, I mean
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: out of your life? Are you never watching the show
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and you're like.
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, that's what we find out. We be watching
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: some Netflix and oh, ship, that's that's you know, that's.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: All blood comes out of that pig going left to right.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So do you often because of the because of the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: rules in filmmaking. And I know it's not a hard
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and fast rule, but there's like there are way you know,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: when you started seeing once upon a time, you start
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: seeing like no animals are harmed in the making the movie.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Does that really? Like how does that fit into your work?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Meaning if you have an old specimen it was already
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: dead for another reason, are you able to use it
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: or does everything have to be synthetic? No?
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: No, So yeah, it's just pretty much you didn't kill
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: it for the purpose of the film.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 42:39
  Speaker 11: So if we had an old hide for example, like
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: even we've had donated highs from like the World Conservation Center,
• 42:45
  Speaker 11: say for example, when they naturally pass, they'll you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: they'll like you guys can process because otherwise we're just
• 42:49
  Speaker 11: gonna do a commute vibration. Ye, So we'll say the
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: hide and we can use that hide. And it's not
• 42:55
  Speaker 11: you know, we didn't kill it for the purpose in
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: the film. We just had the hide.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like in a movie when they're eat a steak,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: right exactly, they didn't go out and yeah, that.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Same.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: So you guys don't like go get the go, get
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the rifles and what's gonna happen? Hit me with the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: hit me with the pig. One. Okay, so they want
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: there's a pig they need to pick. They want to pick. Oh,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I was just watching the other It was a It
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: was a Corsican movie. I can't remember the name of it. Anyways,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: in it, they got a pig hanging there.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, I saw that.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Is it like a gangster like it's like the Fathers.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: The father is involved in like like local mafia and
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: then it's like.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: The corse Can Mob.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I forget the name of that film.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Either way, In it, they got to pick. They show up,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: there's a pig in the truck. Pretty soon the pig's
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: hanging there. So you get a call about a pig, like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: let me just let me give you a fake exam
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: because you already brought up the pig. Let me bring
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: up one. Like I say, I'm doing a movie. A
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: guy the protagonist hits a deer at night with his
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: car and it's a key part of the movie that
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: he hits a deer at night. So when you a deer.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: We need a he needs to hit it. It needs
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to be that there it is on the road. There's
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: gonna be quite a bit of focus on the deer
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: because of the plot. How would you where do you start? Like,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: how would you think about that problem?
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: I mean that's probably an easier one because there's a
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: lot of deer hides we have. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
• 44:35
  Speaker 11: I mean it just truthfully, I mean, it's not something
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: super exotic that you're looking for, you know, and then
• 44:40
  Speaker 11: we just see the hide, see what they want if
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: they needed to move or be flexible.
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: So we'll probably start with two of them for for
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: the for the purpose of you know, you're gonna shoot it,
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: you get a frame when when he's gonna get hit
• 44:52
  Speaker 10: by the car.
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: Right, That's what I was gonna ask, Like in a
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: scene like that where there's like a standing deer, a
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: deer like flying through deer, and then like a dead deer.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: So that we would probably multiple deer.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's there's multiple deer.
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: See if you're going to get out of the car
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: and then drag it somewhere, and obviously it has to
• 45:09
  Speaker 10: be flappy, kind of freshly dead killed, you know whatever,
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: So you need a flappy one, so you would need
• 45:15
  Speaker 10: a couple of them, at least two of them.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And when you're making it look like obviously you got
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to make it look banged up.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, you got to do that. Blood, the guts,
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: the whole.
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: We do like silicone, so we'll make MOLDI wile scold
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: pieces and then lay silicone paint that up. Then you
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: can put blood over that and then it just looks
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: gruesome when you when you go up to it, you know.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: When it's floppy, what are you stuffing it with? Well,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: so we is that a trade secret.
• 45:42
  Speaker 10: It's kind of a secret, but we try to keep it,
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: you know, the structure or the anatomy as close as possible.
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: So that's kind of we learned that, yeah, you know
• 45:53
  Speaker 10: through a lot of the ones that weren't so good.
• 45:59
  Speaker 10: So we learn that we we need to have the
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: anatomy kind of you know, certain parts need to be
• 46:06
  Speaker 10: like really more structure, structure firm than than Yeah, it's interesting.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: It's kind of dips in the shoulders.
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and they head obviously hot.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Like a new kind of a new kind of mount
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I know. John Hayes does like soft coyotes, and we
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: have a soft mom can.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: But you want right he does.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm just wondering, like, you know, who knows?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe you want a different kind of you want to
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: floppy floppy. I don't know Roan at home that you've
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: just gotten Tanzania.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 46:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, I know a guy. I know
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: a guy that has a full sable and a full
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: rone hide. Okay, so if you get a movie call, oh,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: definitely you get a movie call, come.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Talks, and he might be willing to trade them for
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: a mesh backer.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I mean like for ationally done, fleshed and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: salted everything down to the nut sack. Wow, ready to go,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: No salt, just keep me in mind. So let's say
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: we do this deer that we're gonna do this deer
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: thing as I described, And I don't want to pry,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, hey, what, uh what should I budget
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: for this? Now? Don't don't just like like, are we talking?
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I don't want to pry. Let's put this way.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Let's put this one talk about in the number of figures.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put this way. Yeah, I go and say, hey,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I just killed a nice buck. I want a full
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: body a mount of my buck to display in my house,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to look like the second before I
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: shot it live and well beautiful. And then I come
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: with the same deer and I say, hey, I want
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to look like I just ran it over? But bad?
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Which of these projects is more expensive?
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: As long as you bring it and you give us
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: a good amount of time, they would both be you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: I mean, it'd be cheaper to get you a busted
• 48:14
  Speaker 11: up looking thing.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: It is you got to make all the latex.
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: But we already have all the molds and everything for it,
• 48:21
  Speaker 11: so we youat know, I mean, and we do it
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: so often that it's just like.
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and you're probably not doing a ton of detail
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: work with something like that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: We just throw dirt on it. If you want it
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: really much.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Then you built when they read their does it item
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: for dirt?
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: So uh, there's that business which is very different. You
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: had traditional taxidermy, which people can't understand that how in
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the world, like in Bischoff's history, how did how did
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the pet?
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: You can continue?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in company history?
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: What was the moment that someone said, like we're laughing
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: about Cranny asked John Hayes, did you pet John Hayes says, no,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: what was the moment in Bischoff history? What Okay, tell
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: me the name of the animal.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: It's not called it's Bishops.
• 49:25
  Speaker 11: Yeahs is the name of the company and the animal
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: kingdom is just like the slogan that goes with I got.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: At what point in Bischoff history was it? The answer
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: is yes.
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: Well I think Roy Rogers trigger was was done at
• 49:41
  Speaker 11: our shop?
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Really yeah, I mean that was a pet and.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Roy Rogers horse.
• 49:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Everett mounted it. Yeah, at our shop many years ago.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: My god, that is incredible.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: And also a buck on the yeah as well.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: I mean if you walked up on that, I'd kick it.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: You'd have no, it's like wake you would have.
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: Let let the record show that there's now a dog,
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: a stuffed dog?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 50:17
  Speaker 10: Aug, it's a frenchie.
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: There's a there's a stuffed frenchie on the table that
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: is uh sleeping.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And it looks and very real.
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's got wrinkles. And you got a picture of
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: me sitting here, Randal. Yeah, who's hard?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Is this?
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: That's a client center? Actually?
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: Do that's that?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Dog's hard? He wanted his dog's heart.
• 50:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah, smile, you're saying that so how do you how
• 50:47
  Speaker 11: do you do that is a freeze drivers.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: I had a question about that.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of questions drying that up and eat.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: It technically, I mean, not what we injected with.
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: The strange part about the heart to me is like
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: if I took my dog to you and said I
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: want my heart, and obviously we can't.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: You know, these are your clients that we don't. But
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: like when they get it back to like, oh, I've
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: never seen that before.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I've seen my heart. You ever think about that?
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: You never get a good look at your own heart.
• 51:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah, well they've seen it done. You know, they've seen
• 51:24
  Speaker 10: the sample, so they get a good idea of how
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: what they're getting.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that.
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: Is I could see Tracker, oh yeah, getting done like that.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And it wouldn't be that different than the way it
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: is now. Yeah, it just kind of later.
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I was gonna say, I spend when
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: I'm at home, I spend ninety five percent of my
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: time around sleeping dogs, and.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: You can spend and I.
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: Could never tell you that that wasn't a live dog.
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: Is there's nothing bit of.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Work that's freeze dried.
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a it's a hybrid. It's a yeah, yeah,
• 52:01
  Speaker 11: we do a little bit of everything. It's like it's
• 52:03
  Speaker 11: like a weird yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: So what wow?
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: What is the freeze like? Could you explain the freeze
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: drying process? I mean, I think most people are familiar
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: with like standard tax dermoy. You're you're tanning the hide,
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: you're putting it over a mold. Then you're you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: molding and painting and.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Stuff like that. But what is the freeze dry product? Like,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: you start with a dead dog, what do you do?
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: So we prep it?
• 52:32
  Speaker 10: Obviously we got to do some skinning in our case,
• 52:36
  Speaker 10: you know, all the organs and fatty teach who has
• 52:41
  Speaker 10: to be removed because those things don't freeze right well
• 52:44
  Speaker 10: except you know obviously if you do it simply. But
• 52:50
  Speaker 10: so we prep him. We we actually cast mold out
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: of their body so we.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: Have the same the perfect same body.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: So that's how you get to so you know where
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: to end up.
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so, uh, but the head, the skull is still
• 53:08
  Speaker 10: it's all there is intact, you know, the legs, all
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: the skeleton structure.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Like that leg or freeze dry good because there's just
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: nothing to.
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: It, right, It's just fats and oils is what makes
• 53:19
  Speaker 11: it difficult in the freeze dryer, so you got to
• 53:20
  Speaker 11: get rid of it pretty much. Fats and oils just
• 53:22
  Speaker 11: don't freeze dry. Okay, Yeah, that's the biggest thing. And
• 53:25
  Speaker 11: then we sometimes we'll three D scan and then digitally print,
• 53:29
  Speaker 11: you know what I mean, some of the body portions
• 53:31
  Speaker 11: and stuff like that, because we were big on three
• 53:34
  Speaker 11: D printers and scanners, because we've got quite a field
• 53:35
  Speaker 11: them just for the film industry.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 53:38
  Speaker 11: If they want like a quick paw that matches something,
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: we can three.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: D printed, you know what I mean and then figure
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: that out.
• 53:45
  Speaker 11: So we've messed a lot of different you know, I
• 53:48
  Speaker 11: mean industries into the pets. Yeah, who's uh, whose dog
• 53:53
  Speaker 11: is this? This is? This is I don't know if
• 53:56
  Speaker 11: he wants to be named, but it's a it's a
• 53:58
  Speaker 11: class you know it's here.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yea, yeah, that's incredible.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it really, it really is.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Dude. That dog looks like it's laying there sleeping.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting all emotion.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, think of all the moments.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, think about your own.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Time, thinking about when he's alive. Doesn't look like that?
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: How big of a dog?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Does the size matter?
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: That's obviously bigger dogs hits a lot more work and
• 54:24
  Speaker 10: it takes a lot lower in the the actual freeze Riyo.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: You should see in dogs.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, got it?
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Ye, great, great Dane and my new Finland is upstairs.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: So how how many pounds?
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: But one, one, twenty and one thirty something, so.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: He's calculating how much times.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: We just got one working up an invoice.
• 54:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah, someone came in from the East coast and it
• 54:49
  Speaker 11: was about one hundred and sixty pounds.
• 54:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so that's the biggest so far.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: You want frozen probably, yeah, for sure.
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Yeah, And that's the biggest thing is people sometimes yeah,
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: I mean they're not It's not like a hunter who
• 55:03
  Speaker 11: knows what they're doing the prep work for, so they
• 55:06
  Speaker 11: don't know to freeze. So you know there's times where
• 55:09
  Speaker 11: like they've you know, your morning.
• 55:11
  Speaker 10: Morning and they have them out for twenty four hours.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Or hair starts to slip, yeah late.
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: Text Yeah, and age, you know, honestly, age, sometimes they
• 55:23
  Speaker 11: lose a lot of weight.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: And we got to be honest with you.
• 55:26
  Speaker 11: If you bring in a seventeen year old dog who
• 55:29
  Speaker 11: lost X amount of pounds and you're like, and you
• 55:31
  Speaker 11: show me a photograph of when they were three four
• 55:33
  Speaker 11: years old. We can add a bit of weight, but
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: we got to be realistic about that.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Goes in Hollywood, that goes on all the time. Get it.
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: Try to make them look good.
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean if we had a band, this is
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: where they're.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, huh, all right, I don't even know where to begin.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: That's just yeah, it's wild.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: It looks great.
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: Ye.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Back when I was I don't know where. I don't
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: know where things stand in text durmy now. But when
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I was younger, it would be like you just order
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: all these molds. I mean like let's say you let's
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: sa let's say you do white tail deer. Right, you
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: just order a mold right right. For the most part,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, like for most work. Be that you go
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: on to tax dermy dot com and it's like head
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: to you know, shoulder mount looking right. But in your guys,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: there's no.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why you.
• 56:37
  Speaker 10: Get into it.
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:39
  Speaker 12: So there's no forms, no bulldog, no French bulldog, no
• 56:44
  Speaker 12: French bulldog, pounds sleeping.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: The cute little used to do.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:54
  Speaker 10: So that's where I think that's where the big difference is.
• 56:58
  Speaker 10: There's nothing pre made or or there's nothing we can
• 57:01
  Speaker 10: order that.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: It's all from scratch.
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: It's all from scratch.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: There's little heads on his little paw with a little
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: like it's like yeah, like.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's the first is the first step. So
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: he he never got you never sent this to get tanned.
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: No, No, that's where the freeze dryer kind of takes over.
• 57:24
  Speaker 10: You know, the freeze drying kind of it's like the
• 57:26
  Speaker 10: tanning process, but it's it's uh, it's done by the
• 57:32
  Speaker 10: removing the moisture off and kind of it's pretty much
• 57:37
  Speaker 10: the same result. Yeah, I mean, obviously this is brittle,
• 57:41
  Speaker 10: you know, it's it's it's I mean, it's stiff.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Ye would you would you expect that this is this
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: is this will last?
• 57:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, because we do a little bit of a weird
• 57:52
  Speaker 11: hybrid thing. We make sure that if you just put
• 57:55
  Speaker 11: this in a freeze dryer without doing kind of like
• 57:59
  Speaker 11: the hybrid thing that we do with it, it wouldn't last. Yeah,
• 58:02
  Speaker 11: because fats and oils just there, they're not going to
• 58:04
  Speaker 11: freeze dry.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: It's in edeman. You'll two three years, you'll have slippage,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: you'll have yeah.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: But when you here's are those like the actual ears?
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, No, inserting there. Yeah, okay, so when you thaw,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: when you thaw an animal out, is it is the clock?
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Like the clock's ticking.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: Now right right? Yeah? Yep, mm hmmm.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: That's so I'm just curious, like, without it, how are
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you hustling so much to wind up with something so
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: realistic with like the proper folds in its neck and
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: all that. Like once you thought out, you got to
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: start working on it. I mean, yeah, so we you
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: have how many how many hours days till it's got
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: to be kind of like done.
• 58:49
  Speaker 10: So we probably we start working on let's say, start
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: on it today, and you get to a certain point
• 58:54
  Speaker 10: and then you put it back in the refrigerator. So
• 58:57
  Speaker 10: next day we pull it out, okay, and you continue
• 58:59
  Speaker 10: until probably two days.
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean you got to you gotta keep it cool,
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: you got to keep it frozen. So I mean, it's
• 59:06
  Speaker 11: not like you got to get it all done.
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: Now, not at one.
• 59:10
  Speaker 11: Yeah, like I could start on it, you know, have
• 59:12
  Speaker 11: it pretty much ready to go. Maybe I got the
• 59:15
  Speaker 11: mold and then I'm like, okay, wait, it's Friday, you know,
• 59:17
  Speaker 11: I want to go have a good week and whatever
• 59:18
  Speaker 11: it is popping in the freezer. Then maybe Sunday night,
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: come out, pull it over to the fridge by tomorrow morning,
• 59:25
  Speaker 11: Monday mornings, you know, thought out and then we can
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: go to the next step.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how distraught are people when they bring you their pets?
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: Well, we get a variety of people. Some people are
• 59:38
  Speaker 10: just normal, you know, not too emotional. Some people are
• 59:42
  Speaker 10: really emotional. Sometimes even when they call we we you know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: we understand. So we try to be in and you know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 10: empathetic to their situation. And so that's kind of a
• 59:54
  Speaker 10: different Uh, it's like we're talking about going back from
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 10: year to a.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: Pad to a fake.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 10: So yeah, yeah, so you're on the phone with someone
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 10: that wants a snake for a show, and then the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 10: next call is someone crying over the dog, you know.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: So it's it's a range of emotions.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: It's a range of emotions. And also when they come in,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: you know, we have people from the studios come in
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 10: checking hey and want when I look at your crows
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 10: and they're going and then we got someone bringing on
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: you know, their pets. It's it's it's a very contrasting.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: You know, different energy.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: Different energy with different clients.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so we made a little like there's like a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 11: little side pet room, like almost like morning when you
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 11: bring pet in, you go to this private room and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 11: you kind of you know, you can sit there and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 11: take your time, just so it doesn't take away from
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 11: your experience. You know, I don't want a studio person
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 11: to come in and just like, hey man, how's you going?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 7: Do you do you wash the hides on those dogs thorough?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 12: A lot of If I did my dog, I'd want
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 12: to smell like my dog, like kind of half rocken.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Uh what this is? This is gonna be a tricky one,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Like I don't want you guys to damage your business
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: or anything. There's got to be right, Like people are
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: gonna have expectations and then they're gonna come in, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: and you gotta be like here it is, yeah, and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: then they're gonna respond that seems to me.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: Fraud.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: That seems to me. That's got to be a tricky moment.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: You gotta be having your fingers crossed. Well, they're gonna
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: be like, oh perfect and not some other emotion because
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: they're because again it's emotional.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: It is it's different.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 10: Well, so far we haven't had a experience, so we're
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 10: pretty confident. So now when people come in and pick
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 10: up their pets pretty confident, there be happy.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, violin this dog, I'd be thrilled. Yes, I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: don't know some bit slept like that, but I'd still.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: Well, you take your if your pet sleeps a different way,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: you you know, we just.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Because people got pictures that are dogs.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I always say like one to three pictures.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 11: Sometimes they'll send me like an album one thousand, So
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 11: which one do you want? YEA one for the body
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 11: poss Yeah, oneion if.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 12: You guys did my dog would be super easy because
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 12: when my dog sleeps just looks dead anyway.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: So just be like, just make it look like a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: dead dog.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: Can we get it between As and Ray? Just for
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: like a really nice clean shot of it. We've gotten
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: some good shots, but not not the whole body or
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 7: anything like that.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Just for the audience. It's okay to slide it. I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: don't know if yeah one handles and yeah yeah oh
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: even the bottom show the bottom of that thing.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, wow, wow damn because you can't run.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: How that dog looks great.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: It's great, It's it's really kind of spooky.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: How that makes me want to get our dog stuff?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 10: See that's the thing with people.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Killed.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Difference is you want to get them stuff today.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so people, it's not for everyone. You know, some
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 10: people of course, you know, like they have a negative
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 10: reaction to the actual aspect.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Of you're dealing with the fraction.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: Yes, and but people don't realize like when they see.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: The final product, when the final outcome, it kind of
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 10: change their perspective on how to look at the actual
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 10: you know, ah process or the or the or the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 10: just the thought of you know.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 11: And then also we do have that we have a
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 11: bunch of other options, so like a common person will
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 11: come in. We have an acclamation machine for example, so
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 11: you can just do the ashes, and we have an
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 11: artist that can get you a custom portrait.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: We can do the podcast.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 11: So a lot of people go for like the generic
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 11: normal kind of preservations, and then some people do like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 11: a partial preservice.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: Some people just want to scull bronze.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Did you just say a podcast?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a podcast.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Thought that's why. Yeah, yeah, oh, just like an imprint
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: for him exactly.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 11: We do it like bronze, you know, podcasts or I mean,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 11: and then some people want to scull, you know, they
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 11: want like a bronze skull. So we'll do that as well.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 11: Really everybody has. I mean that's the way the heart
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 11: came about. One person asked for.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Like vincent price or something wanted that, like I.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 11: Can't even remember who the first person, yeah it was,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 11: but then it's it like somehow other people start to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 11: know about it, and then we just said, well we
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 11: might as well.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: Same thing with that what the pond remember someone?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah, just you know, oh my god, I would just
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 10: love to get his spot, Like okay, well we'll do it.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but unless it has that yeasty smell. Yes, I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: mean for me dogs.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm wondering about like me, because there are there
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 8: are certain animals I feel like out there, like wild animals,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: game animals that when you taxidermy them, they don't ever
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 8: really have like the full magic. You know, they're dead,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: yeah I know, but like this, like like if you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: saw a mountain lion like that, or I'm sort of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: wondering about like the bleed over between this freeze dry
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: technique and what we think of as traditional taxidermy.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Like why are people not doing well? I guess they
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: do because I remember I used to sell otters to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: a guy that would freeze, dry them, and sell them
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: a long time ago.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: That would be wild.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean you can do can be I think
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 11: the biggest thing out. Yeah, some of the chambers, a
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 11: lot of the free drive chambers just aren't too huge,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 11: so you got a size issue. And then also like
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 11: the amount of space that you do. You know, we
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 11: could fit fifteen of these these guys in one chamber.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 11: If we fit in the mountain line, We're gonna charge
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 11: you a lot of money for that mountain line to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 11: sit there four months in the freeze.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: Driver could have done four of these guys, four of
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: these guys.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what takes this film up your real estate yet? Squirrel?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Cool?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we free drives.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 11: I mean I think it would great, like if you
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 11: have like a carical cat or whatever, you know, like
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 11: I think, because you'd have the skeletal structure in there,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 11: and I think that's what messes up those mounts a
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 11: lot of times.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: So the forms are great, but not as good as nat.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 10: So when you order the forums, they have no no detail.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 10: They're just playing you know, from forms with no detail.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 10: So that's why you don't you don't get the you know,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 10: the ring called the expression on the that's.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: A really good point that like the the native structure,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: mean the skull, like the native structure is there, yes,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: and the pause like the structures there.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, you got all the skeletal structure, and same
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 11: thing with the faces.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, the face is the core of the mount.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 11: So if you were to do any kind of wildcat,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's just it would make more sense to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 11: have the natural skull and everything, the natural ears. I
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 11: mean I've done them traditionally, but it's just your sculpt
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 11: and now it's up to the sculptors, up to the artists,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 11: and it's not up to the way he really was naturally.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: So that dog's skull is in this mount right here,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: right yes?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Did you guys married? Yeah, we're both yeah married.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: What do they think about your line of work?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 10: Well, they love it. I mean they're okay with it.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 10: I mean it's it's it's it's for us. For it's interesting,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 10: you know, it's it's it's fascinating. It's fascinating. It's not
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 10: like even when people ask, oh, so what do you
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 10: guys do? What is you know, it's just interesting to
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 10: spark a conversation just on the fact that, yeah, it's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 10: so random, you know, a lot out there.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I'm still fascinated by how you guys took over the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: business and even got into doing this at this level.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, this is this, you know, this
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: looks incredible, amazing, and it seems like all the techniques
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: that you've developed to apply to this work is just
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not like you were, you know, apprenticing
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: for decades, you know.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I think mind blow.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 11: I think it's a lot of the just the random stuff,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 11: like we're talking about that every day. And I think
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 11: the studio has pushed us a lot. Yeah, because we've
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 11: we've had to come up with so many ways like
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 11: how I mean there's times where we've sold a job
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 11: and like now, how.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: Are we going to do it? Yeah?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 11: They were on an elephant needed in this, you know
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 11: what I mean, Like whatever it is, I'm like, Okay,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 11: it's going to take this long and make the mold.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: We got to do the fiberglass.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: We got it.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 11: So I think all those freak out moments, let us
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 11: like piece it all together to be able to do something.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Do you ever do work on on like time and material?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Because you don't know what you're getting into.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: We do, but we yeah, I mean we do time.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 11: I mean we definitely we priced a lot of course
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 11: material time also just what we're getting out of the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 11: way because a lot of the students, like I said, there,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 11: it's all last minute stuff. So it's not it's not
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 11: like a hundred just drops off. Hey man, I'll pick
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: it up in six months, No big deal if you
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 11: go seven months. Just make sure it looks great. Whereas
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 11: the studio is like, hey, can I get progress pictures?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 11: I get it, but like right now, I don't want
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 11: to send you a photograph of a phone form.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, nothing like that it's supposed to be.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 10: And then they're going to try to change the you know,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 10: the oh my god I wanted you know, and they're
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 10: gonna kind of make changes while winning that we're in
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 10: the middle of the process.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: And then what I meant by time materials like in
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: the trades, like when I work for my buddy Ronnie,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: we do jobs that we're a bid, right, You're like,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: it'll it'll be this and if we lose money or
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: make money, that's the price. Or some things that were
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: more open ended, it'd be like we're gonna work on
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the project at blank dollars an hour plus our materials,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: because we don't know what we're getting into, so you
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: normally come back with a it'll be this yes, and
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: then you lose money or make money on how well
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: you can fulfill. Yeah.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 11: I mean, at this point, I think we got a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 11: good idea of where it's going to land. So if
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 11: we say, oh, it's gonna be whatever, sixty hundred, they'll
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 11: be like, okay, well yeah, and we kind of know
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 11: we're you know, what we're making on it with how
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 11: much the latex is, the phone is the whether we're
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 11: using natural hide or fil furs or whatever.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: I was gonna ask what other pets of you guys
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: done other than dogs.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: Well, we do cats, hamstairs, rabbits. Rabbits beat goldfish, dragons.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: We didn't do a goldfish once it was in the article.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: I remember that.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 11: Hamsters, Yeah, hamsters, little rats, little baby rats like there's
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 11: you know, sometimes the kid will have rat on naturally
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 11: pass and then be like, oh my god, I love
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 11: this and it will come in and we'll do it
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 11: if that's what you want.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, Hollywood families, keep keep you.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: Pet Wallaby pat horses.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 11: We've done horses of course, Yeah, but now horses are
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 11: done traditionally because it's just you don't want to freeze drive.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, there's no, there's no.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: You guys did Roy Rot Your company did Everett.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: He was a tax rooms at the time he did it.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: You guys weren't even born yet.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: He was amazing.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, I think still out of you seum somewhere right.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 11: They sold in an auction. It's I think somewhere in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 11: the Midwest now. I think it's sold for like a
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 11: quarter of a million.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Something. Have you ever done a pet cow?
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: We did it. Yeah, we do that every once in
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: a while. We do the headed cat.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a two headed cat that was natural, that
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 11: was still born or whatever it was.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: We did that for somebody as well.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 11: A lot of longhorn, you know what I mean, and
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 11: just your natural like you know, they'll keep the hide
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 11: and then we'll just do the head mount.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Well. How many pieces are coming out of your.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: Studio every year? I don't know.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Is there something out the door every day?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 11: Pets, oh my pets. And I think we have rentals too,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 11: so we have. So that's another weird thing. Yeah, so
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: somebody will come in and then we have a big
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 11: short showroom with everything you can think of. So we
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: have a bunch of fake stuff, we have a bunch
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 11: of real stuff. So you can come in and you'll
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 11: find like a line pole that's hinged where it's I'll swipe.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 11: So if you're working on a commercial for whatever and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 11: you need that, it'll just be like, oh, perfect, that's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 11: what I want. Boom, pick it up. We'll ring you up,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 11: you'll bring it back. It's a weak rental back off,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: that's all it is.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: How many employees you got now it's like six seven
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: seven okay, yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: And then a list of subcontractors.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, that just seems incredible.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Explain the subcontractor thing. There's like guys out there to
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: have these particular skill sets, and what are they doing
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: when they're not doing the work for you?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 10: Well, they work for other studios, so they're like constantly
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 10: either you know, one studio to another.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: And that doesn't cause problems for you.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: Well no, not really, because we have you know what,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: we have a.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 10: List of many so if one's not available, we go
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 10: to the next one and eventually things will work out.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Give give me an example, of give me, give me example,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: give me example of a guy that's not on pay,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: not on staff, who you call yeah for special assignments,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: like well, I don't understand.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 11: So like David Gross, phenomenal sculptor. Okay, right, so he
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 11: he will. I think he was the one who sculpted
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 11: I think the snakes for Yeah, I think it was
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 11: yeah for what for Landman? So he digitally sculpted the snake,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 11: like the whole snake was digitally sculpted. He sent us
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 11: the file, so he worked from home on that thing
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 11: on the computer. He digital sculpt the whole thing. To
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 11: our measurements, to everything. We went back and forth. He
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 11: sent us a file. We three D printed the file,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 11: made a mold out of it, silicone casted the snakes
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 11: that they're flexible, but wiring or whatever they wanted to
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 11: do in them. And he'll float around. So then he'll
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 11: just he'll do projects for another studio. But these are
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 11: fect studios that he mostly works with, Okay, so it's
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 11: like Hollywood studios where they'll call him and now he's
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 11: got a sculpt for the new whatever film that's coming out,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 11: you know. So he just floats around. So for us
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 11: it's not like, oh, they're taking our sculptor.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: It's no. I mean, everybody can do what you do.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: You know, that's cool.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't get to that episode yet and land Man,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: I just started watching it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: So Philly Bob Thornton.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I remember those snakes.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I watched that one. You guys ever do a black mamba?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: Black mom?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Here's and kill Bill. There's a black mamba in there,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: but it's alive. But then there's like, obviously some of
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: you guys work is not your work, but someone's work
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: is in there.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 11: Might have been Gary at the time. Yeah, yeah, I'm
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 11: not sure.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: I have to ask you about cloning, which I saw
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: on your website it says inquire about cloning.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 10: We don't obviously we don't do that in house. But
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 10: there there's that company in Texas. It's called vi Agen.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: Right, yeah, so this company in Texas called ViaGen.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: We we take them.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 11: They're amazing, I mean, they did great work, So we
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 11: take the samples. We're just affiliates with them. We help
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 11: them out and they help us out. So Cline will
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 11: come in. The most important thing that is, you can't
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 11: freeze the pet. So the pet will say your pet
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 11: naturally passes away and you wanted to clone them. You
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 11: can refrigerate them, but you can't freeze freeze the pet
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 11: because it'll crystallize a sample and then won't be able to.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Get the DNA.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 11: So that's that's one step that sometimes people kind of
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 11: skip up on and then they won't be able to
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 11: do the cloning. But we just take five samples, so
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 11: it'll be channellly a couple from the ear, you know
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 11: what I mean, small little samples and put them a
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 11: little vials and we overn ad them to them. But
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 11: because if we're doing the full preservation, we need to
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 11: take those from specific hidden spots. So sometimes when the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 11: vet does it, they do it from like the top back,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 11: and then we get the you know, and then they want.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: To preserve their pets dimple, Yeah, it's like.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 11: And then they take huge samples when you only need
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 11: like tiny little samples because they're not thinking about the preservation.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 11: They're just thinking about getting a good sample. So we
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 11: take them from like the like for example, if I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 11: was to take from here, I had to go from
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 11: like the inner hip.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: You can't see it.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 11: It's already tucked the inside of the ear really deep
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 11: in the ear canal what you can't see it, you know,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 11: areas like that.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, have you ever done a pig getting suckled?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Bal it's a little piglets.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: We do do the little peg within.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I'd like that. Hey, you know, we have a big
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: old pig getting suck but we have.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Two fetuses in the freezer.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: You should give them to those guys there you go.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve killed a pregnant sow in Texas a few
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: years ago and then we vac sealed a couple of
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: the Yeah we still.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: Do you people come.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: In just to gawk.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's tough because you're in the middle, you know.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's working, but it's you know, it's nice.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 11: It's a compliment because people just want to Some people
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 11: go into town and be like I heard about this place,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 11: and I'll just run around. The thing is nothing's roped
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 11: off at our shop. So you can actually walk up
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 11: to the polar bears, to the tigers, to the lions,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 11: and you know, just hang out with them, take a
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 11: photograph with them whatever. It's not like a natural history
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 11: museum where you're roped off with a scene in the background.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 11: Like now you can actually come in and feel what
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 11: a bowler bear feels like.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised you guys can pull this off with only
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: six or seven people. I mean, who answers the phone?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 10: It's between him.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: You guys are like, yeah, well, we're.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: Working on everything.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 11: So it's I mean, we've had we've had some front
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 11: desk people, but it's difficult because they go into their
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 11: spiels so fast sometimes that there's a lot of there
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 11: was a lot of relay, you know what I mean
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 11: between like everything where especially when when they wanted a
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 11: customs say, for example, and it just takes so long
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 11: to get somebody trained up to really take on that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 11: position of knowing how to because you've got to be
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 11: creative on the spot. They're gonna be like, hey, this
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 11: deer's got to get hit, but he's got to have
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 11: a hinge and his arms got a twitch at the end,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 11: and we need it like by Friday.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: So what do you got?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 11: And then you know, the front desk is just gonna
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 11: be like my first day.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm new here. Let you go get as.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: Anyway ordering a pizza?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 11: So because of that, I'm like, you know what, just
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 11: I'd rather just picking up be like, hey, yeah, we'll
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 11: have it by Friday. It's this much, we'll do it
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 11: with this whatever, servo will make a little clamp thing
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 11: for it.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: Whatever. Yeah.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah, So it's kind of it's it's we need to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 10: train someone, but it's gonna it's gonna take months. You know,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 10: we tried, I mean, and it's it's it's very difficult.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: So at this point, if you had to, like if
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: you had to pursue one path, the film business or
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: the pet business, like which what are you more in
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: love with?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 10: Well?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: I love what the studios consistency of.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: But what's consistent Well, it used to.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 11: Be the studios, but then the strike starting to happen,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 11: then COVID started happening, so that that kind of made
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 11: the industry go up and down, and then you got CGI,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 11: you got a I.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I see.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 11: I think at this point the smart move would be
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 11: leaning towards this the you know here, towards this here,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 11: towards the studios, because it's.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: Fine and you're just doing cool projects.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I can see that.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Do you feel that the pet getting pets stuffed or
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: tax dermy or what tax dermy? What do you what
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: word do you guys use, Like, what is the sort
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: of line the graph line on pet preservation? Well, it's not,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: there's no way it's stable.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 10: No, well, I mean it's actually pretty, it's consistent and
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 10: ground outside.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: And the last it's a graduate.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 10: It's last five years, it's been significantly Okay, Okay, Yeah.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 11: I mean I think people think of the old ways
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 11: of doing it because we got I mean we have
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 11: mounts at the shop that were done dogs, I mean
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 11: from the thirties and forties, these bad plaster just.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Like newspapers coming out of the you.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 11: Can see Selthier just kind of like wire poking out
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 11: the side and stuff. And I think people think of that.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 11: So I think until it gets ingrained in their mind
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 11: that like you actually are going to get your pets
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 11: to look like your pet, it's going to take time
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 11: for people to see. And I think it's slowly starting
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 11: to come out with social media and everybody being like,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 11: oh wait, actually that does look good.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, And also people now like more and more
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: and more not that you get your relative stuffed, but
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: people now more and more act like pets are are people. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying it's like a much more
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: of a trend right now to have a dog and
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: pretend it's like a person. But that's but that does
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: that falls apart because you don't get people stuffed preserved.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: Some people do.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Is that legal?
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: I think I've seen it done a couple of times.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: Not in the US. Now we get calls for it.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 10: I mean, you know, we don't know if someone's called it,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 10: if it's real or they just missing.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: With us, but they dust.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, what do you say, just not our business?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 10: Not.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 11: I think there was a story of a girl who
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 11: she cold, and I think she got it done. She
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 11: was she had to get an arm amputable and she
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 11: wanted to get a skeletal articulation of the arm.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people send us those pictures of their arm skeletons done.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: There was a guy had his finger.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Done and his finger done and it was like the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Michigan Hello, or it.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Was he just had his finger on a pedestal. Okay,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: he had the stuffed preserved. But you don't want to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: do that work.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 11: That's not that way down. It's just you know, we
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 11: just having this is not in our radar yet.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 8: Well you think it's you think it's stressful to have
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 8: someone come in and look at the pet for the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: first time and be like.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Nailed it, dude, your finger, you know what, damn or
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: your uncle if you had your uncle done. You're like,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: I want him to look like he did when he
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: was reading.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: And you're like, just so you know, we've never done
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 8: this before.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Tell you though, I'm blown away by the quality of
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: that dog. I mean all like I know, we've been
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: like having a couple of laughs about stuff. I mean
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: just from a from a I mean from a technical
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: like a technical standpoint, that dog is incredible.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 8: The minute I the minute I saw it, it changed
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: my entire perspective on the idea of stuffing.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 10: A pet, right, Yeah, that's that's like instant.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: What you don't I guess what you don't have And
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: it's and it's probably it's a it's a trade off.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: It's because it's so perfect. You can't get the soft
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: you can't get the feeling of having stuffed it. No, yeah,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: because then it's not gonna you know what I mean.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: It's like it's either like is it gonna be soft
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: and squishy or is it gonna look like absolutely like
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: a like a dog.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, sometimes people want to do like a soft version
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 11: of their pet things. We'll do it for television and film,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 11: but with a pet, it just won't last. So I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 11: see we get requests for it all the time, and
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 11: I'm just like, you can't get the structure.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah, And I guess people kind of love the thought of,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 10: you know, having their kind of like coddly pet. Like
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 10: you're saying, floppy floppy. You know, it sounds good in theory,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 10: but yeah, when it comes down to the technicals and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 10: the durability and and and also looks, it's not gonna
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 10: look bad, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 11: I think it's these hips, like for example, like you
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 11: got this with these hips that those ten highs that
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 11: are sitting in this room right now, you'd have to
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 11: soak them to get a good stretch to be able
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 11: to get full hips right, to get a soft hand.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 11: You can't soak them, So you're never gonna get that
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 11: stretch to get to what to get a like if
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 11: you have those soft hands to keep it soft and pliable,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 11: you can't get it wet.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Now you can see that bobcat back I wetted him
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: and stretching back out. Rand or grab that bobcat.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: He's pretty stiff now.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Or it's like it's a trade off either you either
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: want to get them back like I put them back
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: on the stretcher boar. Yeah, but feel it you can
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: tell oh yeah, oh yeah yeah bummer.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: So that's the thing. It's like, yeah, it looks like
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: a too. There's no structure. If you just stuff this
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: for cotton mounting, you're just like, oh, here's a little
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: look like.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: You got the wrong way, Randall, belly out, buddy, No
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: show them spots. Yeah, it looks incredible. I would I
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: would definitely see that. Like I get the point you're saying.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: If someone knew that they could have and I never
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: I've never seen them alive. But I mean I look
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: at enough dogs over the years. If someone knew that
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: they could have a dog look that good, that they'd
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: be more inclined to do it because they're probably picturing
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: their mind, Like when you go into a pawn shop
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: and there's like crazy looking we did a whole calendar
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: called fucked Up Old taxidermy, Right, they're like picturing that
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I don't have my dog. Bug Eye.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 8: Sydney used to always talk about getting her our first
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 8: dog stuffed.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Preserved, preserved.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, well he's he's ashes now.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 8: But I always I would always say to her, you're
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 8: gonna walk in there and you're gonna look at his lip,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: and it's just gonna be like, you're never gonna get
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: that dog lip right, And you know you spent twelve
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 8: years like messing with his lips and face and like,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 8: you know it, so intimately it's got to look like
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 8: that or else it's just alienating.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, my kid got a bear to spring,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: a nice bear, and I call him. Why did I
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: call him about this? Oh? I know I was out
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: of town, but I was talking to text terms and
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, here's the deal. Everybody always gets them growling
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: like a rug. It's always that he's got his mouth
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: wide open. And I'm like, I've come to a p
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: I've done the same thing, but I've come to appreciate
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: the closed mouth rug because when you see bears, and
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: I've watched great many bears, they're generally not running around
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: with their mouth. Okay, yeah that's true. And I'm like,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: so you could have it look like all the teeth
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: and everything, or you could take my recommendation and we
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: could get him with his mouth closed. How do you
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: want it? What do you think? He said, he's fifteen.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, of course.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Have you ever done a pet in a in an
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: aggressive posture?
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: We got it.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 11: We got a request. And I can't name his name.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 11: He's a famous person, you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he wanted his dog and it's aggressive.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 11: He has a cat, but it's somewhat of a wildcat,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 11: so I kind of understand it a little bit.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: It's a domestic look.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 11: It's like a Savannah cat mixed with I forgot savan
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 11: of something else.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: And he wanted cat.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and he wanted it on a branch, but kind
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 11: of aggressive, almost like it's gonna pounce on something.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna do it?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: Definitely? Yeah?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Who was it? Well? Tell me what tell me the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: tell me the initials. I'll tell you my initials are.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 8: I mean some of the charming pet cats is that
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 8: they don't like you, right, like some of the pet.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: Cats that they come in and run away. So I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: get it.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: But I would also picture just from a business standpoint,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: unless it's cost prohibitive, Like I'm guessing people are going
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: to be people that are emotionally attached their pet are
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: going to have a looser wallet than someone that's getting
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: five or six things a year because they're a big hunter, right,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: They're gonna look at it differently. But I would picture
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: that if someone wanted, like, like, I like river otters
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: a lot, so I catch an otter. I would I
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: could picture world in which I'm like, no, man, I
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: want some bitch like that an otter. Are you doing
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff too?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, I think we're doing we're doing I mean, it's
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 11: just a pelt, but a seal pelt, right now, that seal,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 11: that seal pelt. We're doing a couple of seal pelts
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 11: for the Mammal Care Center. So we get calls too
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 11: from nature centers and.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: What are you doing with seal pelts.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: They just wanted to preserve it as in an exhibit
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: a high yeah, yeah, like.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: A height like what's hanging around in here?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 10: Right, But it's going to be obviously freeze dry, so
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 10: it's going to be stiffing on a board, you know,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 10: like on a nice board.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Freeze drud, yeah, yeah, freeze dried hide.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 11: You know why that because we wanted to keep the
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 11: the fins beautifully intact. You know, I didn't want to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 11: have to like recreate them in a poor matter where
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 11: it's not keeping the structure the integrity of it, so
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 11: that we kept the fins the bottom fins aside fit you,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 11: I mean, and then we laid it out flat. So
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 11: now when you go to see it, you get the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 11: real anatomy of the actual fin and it's not just
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 11: my version of it having not hung out with the seals.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Can you hand that cat back over your mint rental? Yep? Sorry,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Let's say I had a cat and I, uh, like,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I have a cat, and I just skin it and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: flesh it, okay, and I send it to you, and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get it tanned. I just want
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: to get it freeze dried. Is it all the same? Like,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: I just get it back and it's freeze dried, and
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I can hang it up for the rest of my
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: life on the wall, pretty much.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you'd have to flesh it still, you
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: know what I mean.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna send it to you flesh and dried.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's flesh and dried.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, but you don't want to salt it
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 11: because we don't we don't know, Okay.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: No, everything we do we flesh it goes on a
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: wooden board. Well needs a flip, but no, it's like
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: it's just beam. Yeah, yeah, it's like flesh and beam
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: and then it goes to the tannery like that. Yeah,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: so does the world in which, like I said to
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: you and I wouldn't have any shrinkage.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 11: No, you wouldn't have shrinkags. But it would be stiff.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 11: It wouldn't be nice and flopping like this.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: Stiff are stiff now maybe stiff? Still? Yeah, stiff was
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: a board.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you'd lose all the it'd be like these ears.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: So that's not a good replacement.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 11: No, no, now you want to do it just a
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 11: commercial tanner And yeah.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: All right, I was thinking about get excited for a
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: minute there.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: I was thinking about different animals you get freeze dried,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 8: and I thought a big old.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Beaver sitting there. That's what I think. The tails haze
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: right now is doing a big fifty pounder. Yeah he's
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: from the bust and with the bust, and really they
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: want that big beaver done in a three point football stance.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: But it's a hefty beaver.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 8: But I'm just trying to picture freeze drying the tail
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: because there's so much fat.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, get rid of all that fat. You have
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: to skin that tail out, tail out, get it all out.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 11: Take as much as you can, just leave, leave the
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 11: best structure you can while still keeping the you know,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 11: removing all the making sure the integrity is still there.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Is gonna laugh. Yeah. Now, I don't want to pry,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: but but I'm gonna help me out. But not like
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: other than the prime. I want to pry, but I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: don't want to. I just like I'm sensitive of getting
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: into it, like getting into big you know, Like someone's
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: saying to me, like, so, what do you how much
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: do you sell a book for? Yeah, it's like I
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: don't know, man, dude, it's complicate question. I don't know
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: if they're telling you, help me understand what I'm looking
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: at here with.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: This dog, probably around the range of.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, No, yeah, it's you kids told me
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: eight and I would have been like it makes sense.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought my mind went to ten.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, three grand No, So it's we that's a lot
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 11: of work, it is, but we we.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 10: Really know.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: Their prices.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know all around, like, yeah, do you
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: have competitors?
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 11: Not necessarily, I mean there's a guy on the East coast.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 11: He's great as a friend of ours.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: You send businesses a way.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we've worked together.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 11: He's freezed out some stuff for us as well before
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 11: yeah before, you know, years ago he used to freeze
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 11: that stuff for us as well. He's the only other
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 11: guy that really I think is really in the in
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 11: the business, but he's way out east. So it's I mean,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 11: there's there's a lot of people everywhere. There's business for everybody.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: That's what That's kind of what I was getting at
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: with why I thought the price be more is because
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: I thought the price be more because it's there's a
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: little bit of a scarcity, yeah, or a special circumstance
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, definitely, I think, well, yeah, that's.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: A very reasonable it's very economical, economical dog.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 10: That's why I think that's why we have a high
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 10: volume of pets, because it's it's pretty reasonable.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: You know, you're not gouging, you're not gouging.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: What about a hamster? What are we looking at?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: Twelve hundred, twelve nine hundred and twelve hundred bucks?
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: Way more value in the dog?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean the hamster is just it's
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 11: more such, just because you've got to be slip easy.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Here on a hamster slips easy.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 11: Well because they thought so quickly, you know. I mean,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 11: you know, you got your son and whoever that was
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 11: mooring this little hamster or whatever it is, he's gonna he's.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: Gonna be crying for a while you're consoling them.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 11: And then by the time you bring the hamster in,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 11: if you didn't freeze right away, then we gotta do
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 11: the skin, and we gotta do everything. And sometimes is
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 11: you know, you gotta be careful with the slip it.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 11: You gotta do it fast.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Now some party, you some party when a parent comes
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: in with a hamster and they're like, little Jimmy's so
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: upset about his hamster. Some party you has to be thinking, uh, well,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: little Jimmy is just gonna have to get over it.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: But that's bad for business. So you're just like, sure,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: bring it in.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: You don't have to say anything.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: It's fun, no, but it's you know, we get it.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 10: We get the attachment. Sure, you know, I have a dog.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: I'm attached and.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: You can do your own dog.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 10: Uh, probably something, you know, I'm not sure what, but
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 10: I will definitely do something.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 6: You know, create some memorial for him.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 11: Really yeah, how about you yep, pets? Yeah, well I
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 11: had a cat. It was eighteen years oldly he passed away.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 11: He passed away Memorial Day, just know yeah yeah.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but did you freeze it well.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 11: When he passed Yeah, yeah, it's you know, and we
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 11: have the acclamation machine. Thing is he was already eighteen,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 11: He lost a little weight, he wasn't in his prime.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 11: So it's not like even if I wanted to preserve him,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 11: like you know, and I will advise people of that
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 11: as well, Like if you come in and you got
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 11: an old boy who's you know, not in the best shape,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 11: I'll tell you know, maybe that preservation might not be
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 11: the best.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: Thing for you.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: And hunting, we'll say that would have been a nice
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: buck next.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: Year, right, yeah, year years ago.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 8: Do you ever have people who want to fix things
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 8: on their dog? Like when I've got labs, so by
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 8: the time they're eight or ten, they're covered in lumps
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 8: and you can usually see them. The people come in
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 8: and like, could you just smooth that big fatty bulge.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: On the side of his ribs the tumors?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, these are pets, So there's a lot
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 11: of that.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of hair loss sometimes.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 11: The hardest thing is actually because we make the studio
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 11: side with the f first stuff, they you know, iv
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 11: e marks from the vet because when they do surgeries
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 11: and stuff, they shave. Yeah, so we got to do
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 11: a lot of the hair transfer work for flock and
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 11: work that we do for the studio fake stuff, and
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 11: we bring that over to the.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: You can make it if a dog had a shave surgery, Yeah,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: you could try to get it back to where it
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: looked right.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's where we create the furd. He do that.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, so we do you.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: How do you dye the fur? Like you got to
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: take some hair and get it the right color.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: We having a ray of like a lot of fur
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: and im it's short hair.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 11: We do this flocking method with longer fibers, like like
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 11: this dog for example, say that ear was slippage, there
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 11: was some slippage, we'd use long fibers.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 10: We'd just flock it block it. It's kind of electromagnetic.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, feel like there's would be so much information your
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: guys heads that if all the people that worked there died,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: no one's gonna walk back in there. And fired his
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: business back up.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like a groad, like, if you're a mechanic,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: everybody could die, you're gonna find you know, other guys
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: could come in and write, But on this I feel
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: like the institutional knowledge.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just like just all that junk.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 11: And that's what's difficult too, even for us to find
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 11: the right hands when we want to bring somebody else
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 11: on is you know, because sometimes like I don't want
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 11: to you know, we don't want to be doing everything
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 11: all the time, you know what I mean. But there's
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 11: times where I'm like, but it's got but it needs
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 11: to look a certain way. So until I could find
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 11: that hand that can do and we have some great hands,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 11: but until I can find all the pieces to make
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 11: sure like that the quality quality controls everything, it's got
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 11: to go out looking perfect every time, you know. So
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 11: that's you know, so yeah, there's a fear of like
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 11: we step away, who's gonna if you did?
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Right now? I'm sorry ahead, So.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 10: That's another kind of like a problem for expansion because
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 10: we want to expand you know, we are expanding, we
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 10: get whether we want or not.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: But the problem is sometimes.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 10: We're so overwhelmed with so much you know, work, that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 10: it's kind of we try to find, you know, like
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 10: he says, the hands. But it's very difficult, you know,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 10: to to to find that person that's gonna you know,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 10: get it or or it's in stay you know and
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 10: like it obviously, because you kind of have to, like
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 10: you know what you're doing.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can't.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 8: You can't just tell them to go watch a couple
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 8: of YouTube videos to learn no, some techniques.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it helps if they watch a video,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 10: but it's all it's all handsome.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: Very specialized.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Where where do you look, like, I bet you'll get
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: from coming on here. You'll get resumes from people do
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: but you probably get resumes all the time. And but
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: but if you had to go look like if you
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: had to find a higher I mean, I would assume
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: you're going to look in the traditional tax Deurmy pathway, right.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Joe, I think, Yeah, I mean Joseph was a
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 11: great hire. He just came in out he was moving
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 11: from Arkansas to California, and he walked in one day
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 11: with a photograph of all his mounts. Good guy, straight up,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 11: stand up dude, and he just he's like look, check
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 11: it out. Just moving out here. I'm gonna be out
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 11: here soon. I think he was sad and he wanted
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 11: to be a pastor. And now he's in a I
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 11: hope he's a pastor in Iah. So he was there,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 11: He's talking me, I'm gonna be here for four years
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 11: if it's okay with you. Here, here are my mounts.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 11: He was phenomenal, so talented.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Great four years out of Arkansas.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 11: At Arkansas, stayed in Los Angeles, went to the Master
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 11: Seminary or whatever it was, and then put in great work.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 11: And then we kind of taught him the studio side
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 11: of it because he was he was more from the
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 11: traditional tax tomy side of it. So it was like,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 11: but we got to rush this, you know what I mean,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 11: Like these are all you know, we do little tricks
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 11: to kind of skip a lot of you know, because
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 11: sometimes you gotta cut corners to make things happen for
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 11: film that you wouldn't do with like a Honting mount.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Because of the deadline.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 11: So, but he was great, you know, but it's difficult
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 11: to come across people like that who have that talent,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 11: natural skill, integrity, interineity. Just you don't even have to
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 11: you just turn over and he's already doing the right thing.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 8: And there probably aren't that many people coming from taxidermy
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 8: school that are like Hollywood.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Right, that's where Yeah, that's the other thing is, you know,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of at least in our world,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are into taxi ermy, you know,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: are want to want to live in rural areas because
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: they like to hunt. Frank that's where a lot of
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: their clients are because they're doing hunting moons, you know,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: like like their bread and butter is white tailed. Do
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: your shoulder mounts.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, well
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 11: we'll get our mounts, but we get a lot out
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 11: of state. You know, people still ring stuff in a
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 11: like Colorado, New Mexico Brooks. Yeah, but just you know,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 11: all around California, we'll get some. It was a bit
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 11: decent last year just because there was good rainfall, so
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 11: it was a little bit better. But it's just a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 11: little four keys for the most part.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna but you'll do you'll do those too, yeah.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: Y yeah, yeah, yeah as well.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah, huh, how many hours you work a week depends well.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: Surprisingly it's pretty pretty normal schedule.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 10: You know. It's well, only when we have a certain
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 10: project that is due and it's it's it's going to
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 10: require you know, weekend or maybe.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: Long days nights.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 10: It happens, but we try to keep it as normal
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 10: as we can.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 11: Yeah, our hours are pretty much NIGHTE to form and Friday,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 11: which are short hours. But if there's a big project
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 11: that comes in, if it's worth it to stay, it's
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 11: worth it to stay.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: And it's really never.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 10: A night to four, you know, we say four, but
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 10: you're still there after, be there at five thirty, you know.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're still able to keep some
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: normal Yeah, with all that movie work, you're still to
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: keep a normal life.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah we tried.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: All right, man, what am I forgetting to ask you
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: about you SHO would have asked you about trying to think.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: Freeze round fish? Now we don't know the fish.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 6: That fish, no fish, I thank you pretty much.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 10: Got it.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Has won't touch fish either. Yeah, stuck on that.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: You know, they just you know what.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: He's got, what he you know, what he does, he's
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: got what he does that he likes doing. And I
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: think he was telling us. I think he was saying
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: he's not a fish man and fish text him is
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: weird now because there's no part of the fish.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: It's just like like you could there's there's no part
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: of the fish.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 11: We have this guy, Robert, he was Roberts fish Mounts
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 11: for years. I think he retired now, but we bought
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 11: his whole old collection. So we have like a thousand molds.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 11: I mean you're talking about.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Keeping all this stuff.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we have a little warehouse up north, I mean
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 11: outside of the super expensive area, sway up north out
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 11: of Los Angeles, and there's a sixteen foot whale mold. Yeah,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 11: like shark molds, you know, shark molds, I mean leather
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 11: bag turtle like.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Does she just walk into your warehouse? No? Non, just
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: dig around looking for something you swear must be in there.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we have them all marks. So everything's long.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 10: So everything it's kind of a twelve is.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: Going to be silicone.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 11: Whatever the salmon you know section you know, so it's
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 11: that's all marked up.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: One question I had earlier was what is your store
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 8: look like? Is it in like in an industrial park?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 8: Is it on a street that people walk up and down?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 8: Like where's the I'm just trying to picture in Hollywood.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 8: The text dermy shop, like do you get foot traffic?
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 10: Do you? So it's kind of it's kind of are
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 10: next to you. It's kinda mostly industrial area, but then
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 10: we have a pathway for bikes and people walk there
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 10: to right in front of the shop. So yeah, some people.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 10: Sometimes we have the you know, the roll up door open.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 10: They could see from across the street and they just
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 10: look and come in like spars you know, their attention,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 10: you know, so they like just walk in and check
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 10: it out. So we do get some foot foot traffic.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 10: People don't really walk out on the on the sidewalk,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 10: right there's really nobody walking on the sidewalk, but they
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 10: have that pathway to walk, so that's where they.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: Yes, And there's a we're.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 10: Next to a city yard, La city yard, you know,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 10: one of those big yards where they keep the trucks.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 6: And and and then some other studios right there.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there's there's a lot of studios kind of around there.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 11: It is kind of like an artsy somewhit artsy area,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 11: but it's not in the business.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: It's not like in Hollywood.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 11: It's Northalk, so you have a little bit more open
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 11: in the more industrial space. And then and my buddy's
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 11: next door mary door gym, So it is like it's
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 11: like an m M A gym, which is easy because
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 11: then I can go from here and I can go
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 11: work out there.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, dude, I get over there every couple of years
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: on to come in and say, yeah.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: Man, I would love to come check it out.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: We should have done this there.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we thought.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: We know, we kicked around trying to come to your place,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: but just like scheduling was kind of hard, just a
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of we' said, a lot of
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: travel this summer and stuff going on, but our original
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: intension was to record in your place.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: Well, next time.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: We're there, we'll just we'll tack it on to a
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: schedule and we'll do another episode.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, that'd be great. We'll come out there and
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: do a thirty minutes. Yeah, man, I'll tell you though,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: I can't bring it up enough. That dog is unbelievable, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: that's cool. It's a really nice I mean, like I said,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: you guys are good sports about having some you know,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: about having a couple of laughs. The Holy ship Man.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: The dog speaks for itself that's why it's it's incredible looking.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, We've had a lot of strange objects and things
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 8: passed through the studio, and this is like there's like
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 8: a power to that.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dog, I wish you could leave that dog here,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: but probably not a good idea.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 10: It could work something out.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: Rental.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Oh do you guys have uh do you guys have
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: cats and dogs in your rental area?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Sometimes they'll down and hide or whatever
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 11: it is if they just.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the neighbors. You know, I got a neighbor's cat
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 10: that you know, died and he said, you know, take it.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 10: Maybe I'll see it in a movie some someway, you know.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 10: Sometimes perfect it.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: Do you guys ever grab stuff from the side of
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: the road that looks interesting?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 10: No, No, but usually it's it's really uh beat up,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 10: you know, it's like run over and it's guts everywhere,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 10: So it's not Yeah.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: You just go to those inspiration movie work exactly.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: Photographing. Yeah, that's gonna be this. It's actually I think
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: it's illegal in California.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: It is, well, I don't know, because a lot of
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: states have been making it that you can there's been
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: an odd trend there's there's two trends that sort of
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: surprise me and cultural hunting. Cult hunting, culture trends, that's
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: not the right word, hunting legal trends. One trend is
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: to let kids hunt younger and younger and younger. Right,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: that seems that seems like counter than what would actually happen.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: You could picture that they would make it that they
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: had to be older and older and older, like make
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: it more strict. But there's a tendency that let kids
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: to let it be a family decision. There's also a
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: surprising tendency to loosen roadkill salvage laws rather than make
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: them more strict. Interesting, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: if you if you said to someone who didn't follow this, like,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: do you imagine over the years it became more strict
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: or less strict to pick up roadkill? They would go
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: absolutely more strict because everything's more strict. Sure always Yeah,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: so they like like our state where we're at right now,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: used to I mean I would do it anyways. My
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: friends are doing it anyways as civil like civil disobedience.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to bring up, like rolls of parks,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: but like civil disobedience to like pick up deer and
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: eat them, because you'd be like guilty as charged like
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: a dead deer. The guy in front of.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: Me him, you know what's the problem with Thatways, now.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: You can right, yeah, we're our said, remember that whole area.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was a couple of years ago.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: It was like state after state Oregon. I think maybe
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: state after state after state said Okay, if someone hits
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: it and you want to put it to use, you
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: just got a call, and which makes total sense, makes sense.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: I agree, because anybody, you think, anybody tries.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: To purposely truck it, that's what you know, what they
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: thought of here because here you have here, you have
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of large like a lot of
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: somewhat rare large mammals. And so there's some that are exempt,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: meaning like take like a big horn sheep, a bighorn sheep,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: like a big mature big horn sheep ram is going
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: to have a lot of value, would have a lot
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: of black market value. And so they're they're they're not
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: part of the roadkill rule. It's just the more common stuff,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: dear elk moose, like you know, more sort of like
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: so you know, common animals, high food value, but they've
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: pulled out some of the stuff that they don't want
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: to give people a reason to act like they got
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: in their truck, meaning like, oh, I road killed a mountain.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: Go.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: They're like, you road killed a mountain, go, So you
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: can't there's no excuse to have certain animals. I think
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing, but it's like they don't want to create
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: a pathway for you to have certain rare animals in
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: your possession by claiming that whatever happened to them. There's
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: probably some part of the thinking on it. The other
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: part of it which is interesting here. I'm not sure
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: if it's true in other states. Take the whole thing.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: You can't pick and choose. So our buddy Yanni, he
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: had a road killed moose, big critter. You can't gut
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: it on the side of the road like when you
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: take it, you take it. So you got that whole
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: son of a bitch has to be loaded onto a trailer.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: You can't just go get the parts you want. You
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: can't just get like the good meat and leave it
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: laying there. They're like, nope, holding moose, which de incentivizes
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: some you know, you got to go get a flat
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: bed trailer.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and a lot of help.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they make it a little bit hard, but picture
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  Speaker 1: if not, you just jump out of your truck and
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  Speaker 1: pull the gourmet cuts and then you get like a
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  Speaker 1: butcher moose on the side of the Yeah, that'd make
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  Speaker 1: for an interesting drive. You know, you're like watching dudes
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  Speaker 1: on the side of the road, watching dudes on the
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  Speaker 1: side of the road.
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  Speaker 5: Do that road chefs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, I'm glad you guys came. Man, it's
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 10: Respect for all that.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a cool business, so unique appreciate it. How
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  Speaker 1: often do TV shows call you guys wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: like a reality show about your shop?
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  Speaker 5: All the time?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you say?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: At the point, yeah, they just finish each other's thought there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good job, there was no you finished.
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  Speaker 5: She was right.
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  Speaker 1: So you get calls and they're like, hey, we want
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  Speaker 1: to do a reality show and blah blah blah, people
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  Speaker 1: crying about their pets.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just about the shop and the whole thing.
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  Speaker 11: And it's just the reality world is a is a
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  Speaker 11: wild world where they just infiltrate on your personal life
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  Speaker 11: so much. And I like to keep my personal life personal.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And also I think it'll inhibit a lot of
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  Speaker 6: our you know, every day.
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  Speaker 1: You think.
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  Speaker 5: For sure it would.
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  Speaker 10: Kind of slow down our you know, production or process everything.
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  Speaker 11: So and then trade secrets like it's been. The shop
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  Speaker 11: has been around since nineteenth too. There's a lot of
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 11: stuff that stays within those walls. So I don't want
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  Speaker 11: to be the guy that exposes everything after over one
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 11: hundred years of the company. But hey, guys, I want
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 11: to make a little bit of money and show my
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 11: face off so that, you know, and ruin the whole business.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's bigger than.
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  Speaker 4: Us on the pet side of things. It's so sensitive
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: it is. It's like if you had a funeral home
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: and something approach to.
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  Speaker 8: The other funeral home would probably get stricking a lot
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  Speaker 8: more clients.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you go get waivers for everybody. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: your your uncle's part of a reality TV show. Can
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: you shine your camera crew just sitting there for the paper.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: It's just yeah, yeah, I could totally picture it. I'm
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: not at all shocked that you guys get That's got
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: to be half your phone calls as people wanted to picture.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well thanks for coming in again, man, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna come visit your shop.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate it anytime.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Krim.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we appreciate you.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, Krim books, all the guests, but this one, this.
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  Speaker 2: One was, this was it wasn't my idea. I didn't
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: see that article first. That was Berkman.
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  Speaker 3: This is I'm really glad it happened.
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  Speaker 4: Trophy guests.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way to the trophy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And shouldn't you ever wind up with a cat or
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: dog that doesn't have a home, we would be happy
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: to take it off your hands.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: I'll send you something.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: And I think maybe are you gonna send your dog
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: down when it passes? I mean, I would be cool,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. You got a couple of years
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: to figure it out.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I got a couple of years figured out hopefully.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Man, Uh, if you get a box from Seth, keep
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: it cold, all right. Thank you, Thank you,