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The Perfect Picnic: Annecy FOMO and First Impressions — with Eric Calderon of Surviving Animation (Bonus Episode) · Kids Media Club Podcast

• 0:05
  Hello
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  and
• 0:06
  welcome
• 0:06
  along
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  to
• 0:06
  a
• 0:07
  very
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  special
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Kids
• 0:08
  Media
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  Club
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  podcast.
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  We're
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  collaborating.
• 0:11
  We're
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  collaborating
• 0:12
  with
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  Surviving
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  Animation
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  and
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  the
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  great
• 0:15
  Eric
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  Calderon.
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  But
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  in.
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  But
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  first
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  things
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  first,
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  Emily.
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  Yes.
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  We
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  are
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  chatting
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  with
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  both
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  Eric
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  and
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  Andy,
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  who
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  have
• 0:22
  been
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  on
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  the
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  ground
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  in
• 0:23
  Annecy.
• 0:24
  I
• 0:24
  feel
• 0:24
  like
• 0:24
  we're
• 0:24
  just
• 0:24
  a
• 0:24
  glutton
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  for
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  the
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  fomo,
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  Jo.
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  Exactly.
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  This
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  is
• 0:27
  like
• 0:28
  the
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  FOMO
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  episode.
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  We
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  didn't
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  get
• 0:29
  enough
• 0:29
  of
• 0:29
  it
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  on
• 0:30
  the
• 0:30
  last
• 0:30
  episode.
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  The
• 0:31
  burnback
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  was
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  beating
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  enough
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  last
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  time.
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  We
• 0:33
  needed
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  to
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  come
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  back
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  and
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  revisit
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  to
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  really
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  underline
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  how
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  much
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  we
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  missed
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  out
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  on.
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  So
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  good
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  to
• 0:39
  have
• 0:39
  you
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  guys.
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  Thanks
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  for
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  having
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  me.
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  So,
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  Eric,
• 0:44
  we.
• 0:44
  We
• 0:45
  ended
• 0:45
  up
• 0:45
  bumping
• 0:45
  into
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  each
• 0:46
  other
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  briefly
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  at
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  Annecy,
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  and
• 0:48
  you
• 0:48
  kind
• 0:49
  of
• 0:49
  mentioned
• 0:49
  that
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  it
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  was
• 0:50
  your.
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  That
• 0:51
  you'd
• 0:52
  been.
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  It
• 0:53
  was
• 0:53
  your
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  30th
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  anniversary.
• 0:54
  Annecy
• 0:54
  anniversary.
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  And
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  the
• 0:57
  last
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  time
• 0:57
  you
• 0:57
  went
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  was
• 0:58
  in.
• 0:58
  Was
• 0:59
  about
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  10
• 0:59
  years
• 1:00
  ago.
• 1:01
  14
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  years
• 1:02
  ago.
• 1:03
  14
• 1:03
  years
• 1:03
  ago.
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  Wow.
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  So,
• 1:04
  of
• 1:05
  course,
• 1:05
  Eric,
• 1:05
  the
• 1:05
  first
• 1:05
  time
• 1:06
  you
• 1:06
  went,
• 1:06
  you
• 1:06
  were
• 1:06
  only
• 1:06
  five.
• 1:07
  That's
• 1:08
  right,
• 1:09
  yes.
• 1:10
  Well,
• 1:11
  first
• 1:12
  of
• 1:12
  all,
• 1:12
  thank
• 1:12
  you
• 1:13
  for
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  having
• 1:13
  me
• 1:13
  and
• 1:13
  for
• 1:14
  the
• 1:14
  people
• 1:14
  on
• 1:14
  my
• 1:14
  channel.
• 1:15
  Welcome
• 1:15
  back
• 1:15
  to
• 1:15
  Surviving
• 1:16
  Animation,
• 1:16
  your
• 1:16
  guide
• 1:16
  to
• 1:16
  make
• 1:17
  it
• 1:17
  in
• 1:17
  the
• 1:17
  business
• 1:17
  of
• 1:17
  cartoons.
• 1:18
  We're
• 1:19
  here
• 1:19
  with
• 1:19
  the
• 1:19
  Kids
• 1:19
  Media
• 1:19
  Club
• 1:20
  podcast,
• 1:20
  and
• 1:21
  it's
• 1:21
  great
• 1:22
  because
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  this
• 1:22
  is
• 1:23
  exactly
• 1:23
  what
• 1:23
  the
• 1:23
  industry
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  is
• 1:24
  kind
• 1:24
  of
• 1:24
  talking
• 1:24
  about.
• 1:25
  There
• 1:25
  are
• 1:25
  people
• 1:25
  who
• 1:25
  have
• 1:25
  gone
• 1:25
  and
• 1:26
  people
• 1:26
  who
• 1:26
  have
• 1:26
  not.
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  And
• 1:27
  it's
• 1:27
  tougher
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  every
• 1:28
  year.
• 1:28
  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  personally
• 1:30
  went
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  to
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  my
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  first
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  Annecy
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  in
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  1996,
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  and
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  I
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  was
• 1:34
  an
• 1:35
  embryo,
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  was
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  just
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  like,
• 1:36
  you
• 1:36
  know,
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  and
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  then
• 1:38
  I
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  was
• 1:39
  going
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  very
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  consistently
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  until
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  about
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  2012.
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  And
• 1:42
  for
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  the
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  past
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  14
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  years,
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  I
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  basically
• 1:45
  every
• 1:45
  year
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  had
• 1:45
  this
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  frustration
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  of,
• 1:47
  like,
• 1:47
  it's
• 1:47
  not
• 1:47
  happening
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  this
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  year,
• 1:48
  it's
• 1:48
  not
• 1:48
  happening
• 1:48
  this
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  year.
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  And
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  this
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  is
• 1:50
  the
• 1:50
  first
• 1:50
  year
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  I've
• 1:51
  been
• 1:51
  back.
• 1:51
  But
• 1:52
  it
• 1:52
  is
• 1:52
  one
• 1:52
  of
• 1:52
  those
• 1:53
  events
• 1:53
  that,
• 1:53
  you
• 1:54
  know,
• 1:54
  Andy
• 1:55
  knows
• 1:55
  very
• 1:55
  well.
• 1:55
  It's
• 1:56
  like,
• 1:56
  if
• 1:56
  you
• 1:57
  get
• 1:57
  to
• 1:57
  go,
• 1:57
  it's
• 1:58
  such
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  a
• 1:58
  bucket
• 1:59
  list,
• 2:00
  warm
• 2:00
  and
• 2:00
  exciting,
• 2:01
  vibrant,
• 2:02
  giant
• 2:03
  event.
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  And
• 2:03
  if
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  you
• 2:03
  don't
• 2:04
  go,
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  it's
• 2:04
  like,
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  next
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  year
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  I'm
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  going
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  to
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  go.
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  Next
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  year
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  I'm
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  going
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  to
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  go.
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  So
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  I
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  think
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  it
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  really
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  is,
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  like,
• 2:08
  it
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  is
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  the
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  apex
• 2:10
  event
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  of
• 2:11
  animation.
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  Just
• 2:12
  hands
• 2:12
  down,
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  it
• 2:13
  feels
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  like
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  this.
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  It's
• 2:14
  the
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  one,
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  it's
• 2:15
  the
• 2:15
  winner.
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  It
• 2:16
  feels
• 2:16
  like
• 2:16
  it's
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  the
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  one
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  that,
• 2:17
  like,
• 2:18
  yeah,
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  it's
• 2:19
  like,
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  it's,
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  it's
• 2:20
  ga.
• 2:20
  It's
• 2:21
  gathering
• 2:21
  relevance.
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  Like,
• 2:22
  do
• 2:22
  you
• 2:22
  know
• 2:22
  what
• 2:22
  I
• 2:22
  mean?
• 2:22
  Like,
• 2:22
  like,
• 2:23
  obviously
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  it's
• 2:24
  difficult
• 2:24
  time
• 2:24
  in
• 2:24
  the
• 2:25
  industry,
• 2:25
  right?
• 2:25
  Like,
• 2:26
  Kids
• 2:26
  Green
• 2:26
  is
• 2:26
  no
• 2:27
  longer,
• 2:27
  you
• 2:27
  know,
• 2:28
  that's
• 2:28
  the
• 2:28
  last
• 2:28
  time
• 2:28
  we
• 2:28
  were
• 2:28
  chatting,
• 2:30
  but
• 2:30
  honestly
• 2:31
  seems
• 2:31
  to
• 2:31
  be
• 2:31
  clarifying
• 2:32
  more
• 2:32
  so.
• 2:33
  And
• 2:33
  I
• 2:33
  guess
• 2:33
  it
• 2:33
  offers
• 2:33
  lots
• 2:34
  of
• 2:34
  different
• 2:34
  things.
• 2:34
  And
• 2:34
  we
• 2:34
  talked
• 2:35
  about
• 2:35
  this,
• 2:36
  even
• 2:36
  about
• 2:36
  Dingle.
• 2:37
  Like,
• 2:37
  you
• 2:37
  know,
• 2:38
  it's.
• 2:39
  It's
• 2:39
  not
• 2:39
  just
• 2:40
  transactional,
• 2:40
  it's
• 2:40
  not
• 2:40
  just
• 2:41
  a
• 2:41
  market.
• 2:41
  It's
• 2:41
  like,
• 2:42
  it's
• 2:42
  a
• 2:42
  warm
• 2:42
  and
• 2:42
  fuzzy
• 2:42
  feeling
• 2:43
  as
• 2:43
  well.
• 2:44
  It's
• 2:44
  obviously
• 2:45
  pain
• 2:46
  to
• 2:46
  get
• 2:46
  to,
• 2:46
  but
• 2:47
  when
• 2:47
  you
• 2:47
  get
• 2:48
  there,
• 2:48
  it's
• 2:48
  like
• 2:48
  the
• 2:49
  most
• 2:49
  beautiful
• 2:49
  location
• 2:50
  you
• 2:50
  could
• 2:50
  ever
• 2:51
  imagine,
• 2:53
  you
• 2:53
  know,
• 2:53
  so
• 2:54
  it's
• 2:54
  kind
• 2:54
  of.
• 2:54
  It's
• 2:54
  ticking.
• 2:55
  It's
• 2:55
  ticking
• 2:55
  lots
• 2:56
  of
• 2:56
  boxes
• 2:56
  rather
• 2:57
  than
• 2:57
  just
• 2:57
  being
• 2:58
  like,
• 2:58
  come
• 2:58
  do
• 2:58
  business,
• 2:59
  go.
• 3:00
  Yeah,
• 3:00
  you're
• 3:01
  right.
• 3:01
  I
• 3:01
  mean,
• 3:01
  it's.
• 3:01
  It's
• 3:01
  a.
• 3:02
  If
• 3:02
  there's
• 3:02
  the
• 3:02
  opposite
• 3:03
  of
• 3:03
  perfect
• 3:03
  storm,
• 3:04
  it's.
• 3:04
  It's
• 3:04
  like
• 3:04
  the
• 3:04
  perfect
• 3:05
  picnic.
• 3:06
  Like
• 3:06
  everything
• 3:07
  is
• 3:07
  aligning
• 3:08
  up,
• 3:08
  you
• 3:08
  know,
• 3:08
  because
• 3:09
  I
• 3:09
  think.
• 3:10
  And
• 3:10
  you
• 3:10
  know,
• 3:10
  Andy,
• 3:11
  I
• 3:11
  kind
• 3:11
  of
• 3:11
  heard
• 3:11
  you
• 3:11
  say,
• 3:11
  what
• 3:11
  are
• 3:11
  the
• 3:12
  ingredients
• 3:12
  that
• 3:12
  makes
• 3:12
  Annecy
• 3:13
  work?
• 3:13
  And
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  think
• 3:14
  first
• 3:14
  of
• 3:14
  all,
• 3:14
  it's
• 3:15
  foundation
• 3:15
  in
• 3:17
  an
• 3:17
  independent
• 3:18
  film
• 3:19
  and
• 3:19
  independent
• 3:20
  animation,
• 3:20
  and
• 3:21
  it's,
• 3:21
  you
• 3:21
  know,
• 3:22
  it's
• 3:23
  commitment
• 3:24
  to
• 3:24
  supporting
• 3:26
  artists
• 3:26
  and
• 3:26
  animators
• 3:27
  around
• 3:27
  the
• 3:27
  world,
• 3:27
  and
• 3:28
  they
• 3:28
  just
• 3:28
  never
• 3:28
  change
• 3:28
  that.
• 3:28
  So
• 3:29
  the
• 3:29
  film
• 3:29
  festival
• 3:29
  side
• 3:30
  is
• 3:31
  so
• 3:31
  untouched
• 3:32
  and
• 3:32
  so
• 3:32
  kind
• 3:32
  of
• 3:32
  pure
• 3:33
  and
• 3:33
  so
• 3:34
  full
• 3:34
  of
• 3:34
  everything
• 3:35
  from
• 3:35
  like
• 3:36
  high
• 3:36
  school
• 3:36
  kids
• 3:37
  with
• 3:37
  their
• 3:37
  parents
• 3:38
  to
• 3:38
  college
• 3:39
  kids
• 3:39
  to
• 3:40
  like
• 3:40
  veteran,
• 3:41
  veteran
• 3:41
  filmmakers
• 3:42
  just
• 3:42
  walking
• 3:42
  these
• 3:42
  cobblestone
• 3:43
  streets.
• 3:43
  And
• 3:44
  then
• 3:44
  I
• 3:44
  think
• 3:44
  Mipha
• 3:45
  has
• 3:45
  done
• 3:46
  a
• 3:46
  really
• 3:46
  good
• 3:46
  job
• 3:47
  of
• 3:47
  creating
• 3:48
  a
• 3:49
  partnership
• 3:50
  environment
• 3:51
  where,
• 3:51
  you
• 3:51
  know,
• 3:51
  it's
• 3:52
  not
• 3:52
  like
• 3:52
  you're
• 3:52
  putting
• 3:52
  the
• 3:53
  broadcasters
• 3:54
  up
• 3:54
  on
• 3:54
  this
• 3:54
  pedestal
• 3:55
  and
• 3:56
  saying,
• 3:56
  like,
• 3:56
  everyone
• 3:57
  wants
• 3:57
  to
• 3:57
  meet
• 3:57
  with
• 3:57
  them.
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  mean,
• 3:58
  you
• 3:58
  know,
• 3:58
  all
• 3:59
  these
• 3:59
  major
• 3:59
  governments
• 4:00
  have
• 4:00
  their
• 4:00
  pavilions.
• 4:01
  You
• 4:01
  know,
• 4:01
  there's
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  UK
• 4:02
  booth,
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  Canada
• 4:02
  booth,
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  Africa
• 4:04
  booth,
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  Taiwan
• 4:05
  booth,
• 4:06
  the
• 4:06
  Philippines
• 4:07
  booth.
• 4:07
  And
• 4:08
  so
• 4:08
  it
• 4:08
  feels
• 4:08
  like
• 4:08
  there's
• 4:09
  this,
• 4:09
  this
• 4:10
  partnership
• 4:11
  thing
• 4:11
  going
• 4:12
  on,
• 4:12
  which
• 4:12
  is
• 4:12
  great.
• 4:13
  And
• 4:13
  all
• 4:13
  of
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  side
• 4:14
  chats
• 4:14
  and
• 4:14
  all
• 4:14
  of
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  side
• 4:15
  panels,
• 4:16
  none
• 4:16
  of
• 4:16
  them
• 4:16
  are
• 4:17
  giant.
• 4:17
  There's
• 4:18
  not
• 4:18
  like
• 4:18
  a
• 4:18
  2,000
• 4:19
  person
• 4:19
  room.
• 4:20
  That's
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  film
• 4:21
  festival,
• 4:22
  that's
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  theater.
• 4:23
  So,
• 4:24
  like,
• 4:24
  to
• 4:24
  choose
• 4:24
  one
• 4:25
  is
• 4:25
  to
• 4:26
  miss
• 4:26
  five.
• 4:27
  And
• 4:28
  I
• 4:28
  think
• 4:28
  that
• 4:28
  decentralization,
• 4:29
  like
• 4:29
  kind
• 4:30
  of
• 4:30
  helps
• 4:30
  it
• 4:30
  out.
• 4:31
  Do
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  think
• 4:31
  that's
• 4:32
  the
• 4:32
  reason
• 4:32
  that
• 4:33
  it's
• 4:33
  managed
• 4:33
  to
• 4:33
  keep
• 4:34
  that
• 4:34
  balance
• 4:34
  so
• 4:35
  well
• 4:35
  between
• 4:36
  the
• 4:36
  very
• 4:38
  pure
• 4:38
  celebration
• 4:39
  of
• 4:40
  animation
• 4:40
  that
• 4:41
  is
• 4:41
  equally
• 4:41
  open
• 4:41
  to
• 4:42
  kids
• 4:42
  and
• 4:42
  their
• 4:42
  parents
• 4:43
  or
• 4:43
  students
• 4:43
  and
• 4:44
  studio
• 4:45
  execs
• 4:46
  versus,
• 4:47
  you
• 4:47
  know,
• 4:47
  something
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  just
• 4:48
  gets
• 4:48
  over
• 4:49
  taken
• 4:49
  by
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  corporate.
• 4:50
  I
• 4:50
  mean,
• 4:50
  do
• 4:50
  you
• 4:51
  think
• 4:51
  it's
• 4:51
  a
• 4:51
  function
• 4:51
  of
• 4:51
  the
• 4:52
  organizers
• 4:52
  or
• 4:52
  is
• 4:53
  it
• 4:53
  the
• 4:54
  location
• 4:55
  or
• 4:55
  what's
• 4:56
  the
• 4:56
  status?
• 4:56
  Again,
• 4:56
  it's
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  perfect.
• 4:58
  It's
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  perfect
• 4:58
  picnic.
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  mean
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  say
• 4:59
  like,
• 4:59
  I
• 5:00
  don't
• 5:00
  want
• 5:00
  to
• 5:00
  put
• 5:00
  one
• 5:01
  reason
• 5:01
  on
• 5:02
  there
• 5:02
  other
• 5:02
  than
• 5:02
  like
• 5:03
  luckily
• 5:03
  they've
• 5:04
  got
• 5:04
  five
• 5:04
  or
• 5:04
  six
• 5:04
  things
• 5:05
  all
• 5:05
  just.
• 5:06
  If
• 5:06
  any
• 5:06
  festival
• 5:07
  had
• 5:07
  one
• 5:07
  of
• 5:07
  those
• 5:07
  aspects
• 5:08
  they'd
• 5:08
  be
• 5:08
  great
• 5:09
  but
• 5:09
  this
• 5:09
  one
• 5:10
  just
• 5:10
  has
• 5:10
  five.
• 5:10
  I
• 5:10
  mean
• 5:11
  it's
• 5:11
  got
• 5:11
  like
• 5:11
  a
• 5:11
  crystal
• 5:12
  clear
• 5:12
  lake
• 5:13
  that's
• 5:13
  hip
• 5:13
  deep.
• 5:14
  You
• 5:14
  know,
• 5:14
  you're
• 5:15
  in
• 5:15
  the
• 5:15
  south
• 5:15
  of
• 5:15
  France
• 5:15
  and
• 5:16
  I
• 5:16
  think
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  journey
• 5:17
  to
• 5:17
  get
• 5:17
  there
• 5:17
  makes
• 5:18
  it
• 5:18
  more
• 5:18
  and
• 5:18
  more
• 5:19
  special.
• 5:20
  Right.
• 5:20
  The
• 5:21
  town
• 5:21
  is
• 5:21
  ancient.
• 5:22
  Like
• 5:22
  I
• 5:23
  haven't,
• 5:23
  it
• 5:23
  hasn't
• 5:24
  changed.
• 5:24
  The
• 5:24
  only
• 5:24
  thing
• 5:24
  I
• 5:25
  noticed
• 5:25
  that
• 5:25
  was
• 5:25
  different
• 5:25
  is,
• 5:26
  is
• 5:26
  electric
• 5:26
  bikes.
• 5:27
  Like
• 5:27
  literally
• 5:29
  everything
• 5:29
  else
• 5:29
  was
• 5:29
  the
• 5:30
  same.
• 5:31
  Yeah.
• 5:32
  I
• 5:32
  like
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  think
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  it
• 5:32
  as
• 5:33
  a
• 5:33
  site
• 5:33
  specific
• 5:34
  work
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  art
• 5:36
  that
• 5:36
  you,
• 5:37
  that
• 5:37
  you
• 5:37
  kind
• 5:38
  of,
• 5:38
  you.
• 5:39
  There
• 5:39
  is
• 5:40
  a
• 5:40
  magic
• 5:40
  quality
• 5:41
  to
• 5:41
  the
• 5:41
  location
• 5:42
  and
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  think
• 5:43
  the
• 5:44
  fact
• 5:44
  that
• 5:44
  it
• 5:44
  takes
• 5:44
  you
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  while
• 5:45
  to
• 5:45
  get
• 5:45
  there
• 5:45
  means
• 5:46
  particularly
• 5:46
  for
• 5:47
  if
• 5:47
  you've
• 5:47
  come
• 5:47
  from
• 5:47
  North
• 5:48
  America,
• 5:48
  you're
• 5:49
  more
• 5:49
  likely
• 5:49
  to
• 5:50
  stay
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  week.
• 5:51
  Um,
• 5:52
  so
• 5:52
  actually
• 5:52
  there's.
• 5:53
  I
• 5:53
  wish
• 5:53
  I'd
• 5:54
  stayed
• 5:54
  the
• 5:54
  week.
• 5:55
  Well,
• 5:56
  yeah,
• 5:56
  but,
• 5:56
  but
• 5:57
  a
• 5:57
  lot
• 5:57
  of
• 5:57
  people
• 5:57
  arrive
• 5:58
  on
• 5:58
  Sunday
• 5:58
  even
• 5:59
  though
• 5:59
  MIFA
• 5:59
  starts
• 6:00
  on
• 6:00
  Tuesday.
• 6:01
  And
• 6:02
  so
• 6:02
  I
• 6:03
  think
• 6:03
  there's
• 6:03
  opportunities
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  get
• 6:04
  a
• 6:04
  lot
• 6:04
  of
• 6:04
  your
• 6:05
  meetings
• 6:05
  in
• 6:05
  early
• 6:06
  potentially.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:08
  yeah,
• 6:09
  it's,
• 6:09
  it's
• 6:10
  got
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  lot
• 6:10
  of,
• 6:11
  it's
• 6:11
  got
• 6:12
  that
• 6:12
  combination
• 6:13
  of
• 6:13
  a
• 6:13
  beautiful
• 6:14
  location.
• 6:15
  The
• 6:15
  history
• 6:16
  of
• 6:16
  it
• 6:16
  is.
• 6:16
  I
• 6:17
  think
• 6:17
  I'm
• 6:17
  right
• 6:17
  in
• 6:17
  saying
• 6:18
  it's
• 6:18
  the
• 6:18
  oldest
• 6:18
  animation
• 6:19
  festival
• 6:19
  in
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  world
• 6:22
  and,
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  that
• 6:24
  meeting
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  experience
• 6:25
  and
• 6:25
  youthful
• 6:26
  idealism.
• 6:27
  So
• 6:27
  you've
• 6:27
  got
• 6:27
  that
• 6:27
  student
• 6:28
  contingent
• 6:28
  and
• 6:29
  that
• 6:29
  more
• 6:30
  experienced
• 6:31
  contingent
• 6:31
  and
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  think
• 6:33
  it's
• 6:33
  that
• 6:34
  kind
• 6:34
  of
• 6:34
  halo
• 6:35
  effect
• 6:35
  of
• 6:36
  everyone
• 6:36
  being
• 6:36
  there
• 6:37
  because
• 6:37
  of
• 6:38
  that
• 6:38
  love
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  animation.
• 6:39
  I
• 6:39
  think.
• 6:40
  Yeah,
• 6:40
  it's
• 6:41
  that
• 6:41
  final
• 6:41
  sprinkle
• 6:42
  of
• 6:42
  magic
• 6:42
  really.
• 6:43
  Yeah.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:43
  I,
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  was
• 6:44
  worried
• 6:44
  for
• 6:44
  a
• 6:45
  couple
• 6:45
  years.
• 6:45
  I
• 6:45
  think
• 6:46
  probably,
• 6:47
  probably
• 6:47
  jealousy,
• 6:48
  probably
• 6:48
  fomo
• 6:49
  probably,
• 6:50
  you
• 6:50
  know,
• 6:50
  feeling
• 6:51
  othered.
• 6:51
  Every
• 6:52
  time
• 6:52
  I
• 6:52
  didn't
• 6:52
  go
• 6:52
  to
• 6:53
  Annecy
• 6:53
  I
• 6:53
  was
• 6:53
  like,
• 6:53
  oh,
• 6:54
  it's
• 6:54
  just
• 6:54
  a
• 6:54
  snobby
• 6:55
  event
• 6:55
  where
• 6:56
  if
• 6:56
  like
• 6:56
  you're
• 6:56
  rich
• 6:56
  enough
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  go
• 6:57
  and
• 6:57
  some
• 6:57
  corporate,
• 6:58
  you
• 6:59
  know,
• 6:59
  sponsor
• 6:59
  sends
• 7:00
  you,
• 7:00
  then
• 7:00
  it's
• 7:00
  great.
• 7:01
  But
• 7:01
  it's
• 7:01
  not
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  case
• 7:01
  at
• 7:02
  all.
• 7:02
  It's
• 7:02
  very,
• 7:03
  you
• 7:03
  know,
• 7:03
  there,
• 7:04
  there's,
• 7:04
  it's
• 7:05
  like
• 7:05
  any
• 7:05
  flight,
• 7:06
  there's
• 7:06
  economy
• 7:07
  class,
• 7:07
  business
• 7:08
  class
• 7:08
  and
• 7:08
  first
• 7:09
  class
• 7:10
  for
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  NSC
• 7:11
  experience.
• 7:12
  Yeah.
• 7:12
  And
• 7:13
  ironically
• 7:14
  for
• 7:14
  people
• 7:14
  in
• 7:14
  the
• 7:15
  UK
• 7:16
  potentially
• 7:17
  it's
• 7:18
  a,
• 7:18
  it's
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  more
• 7:19
  accessible
• 7:21
  festival
• 7:22
  for
• 7:22
  them
• 7:22
  because
• 7:23
  it
• 7:23
  doesn't
• 7:24
  take
• 7:24
  very
• 7:24
  much
• 7:24
  to
• 7:25
  go
• 7:25
  from,
• 7:25
  to
• 7:26
  get
• 7:26
  from
• 7:26
  London
• 7:27
  to
• 7:27
  France
• 7:27
  and
• 7:28
  you
• 7:28
  can
• 7:28
  stay
• 7:28
  pretty
• 7:29
  cheaply.
• 7:30
  There's
• 7:31
  a
• 7:31
  lot
• 7:31
  of
• 7:31
  people
• 7:31
  that
• 7:31
  go
• 7:32
  there
• 7:33
  and
• 7:33
  will
• 7:33
  get
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  festival
• 7:34
  Ticket
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  not
• 7:34
  the
• 7:35
  MIFA
• 7:35
  ticket.
• 7:37
  And
• 7:37
  so
• 7:37
  all
• 7:37
  of
• 7:37
  that
• 7:38
  makes
• 7:38
  it
• 7:38
  actually
• 7:39
  within
• 7:39
  Europe
• 7:40
  kind
• 7:40
  of
• 7:41
  more
• 7:41
  accessible.
• 7:42
  Yeah,
• 7:43
  and
• 7:43
  I
• 7:43
  understand
• 7:43
  that
• 7:44
  outside
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  Europe,
• 7:44
  that's
• 7:45
  a
• 7:45
  whole
• 7:45
  different
• 7:45
  question.
• 7:46
  But
• 7:46
  yeah,
• 7:47
  but
• 7:47
  yeah,
• 7:47
  it's
• 7:47
  a,
• 7:47
  it's,
• 7:48
  it's
• 7:49
  quite
• 7:49
  a
• 7:49
  variety.
• 7:49
  It
• 7:50
  has
• 7:50
  quite
• 7:50
  a
• 7:51
  variety
• 7:51
  in
• 7:52
  terms
• 7:52
  of
• 7:52
  the
• 7:53
  people
• 7:53
  that
• 7:53
  are
• 7:54
  there.
• 7:54
  So
• 7:54
  you'll
• 7:54
  get
• 7:54
  a
• 7:54
  lot.
• 7:55
  Yeah.
• 7:55
  And
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  know,
• 7:55
  there's
• 7:55
  the
• 7:56
  cheap
• 7:56
  side
• 7:56
  and
• 7:57
  then
• 7:57
  there's,
• 7:57
  you
• 7:58
  know,
• 7:58
  Netflix,
• 7:59
  who
• 7:59
  rents
• 7:59
  the
• 8:00
  Castle
• 8:00
  at
• 8:00
  the
• 8:01
  top
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  thing.
• 8:02
  Right.
• 8:02
  And
• 8:02
  then
• 8:03
  there's
• 8:03
  like
• 8:03
  a
• 8:04
  level
• 8:04
  celebrities
• 8:05
  there,
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  know,
• 8:06
  and
• 8:07
  then
• 8:07
  there's
• 8:07
  people
• 8:07
  posting.
• 8:09
  Yeah,
• 8:09
  yeah,
• 8:09
  that's
• 8:10
  right.
• 8:10
  Yeah.
• 8:10
  Ricky
• 8:11
  Gervais
• 8:11
  was
• 8:11
  there
• 8:12
  and
• 8:12
  Jermaine
• 8:12
  Clemens
• 8:13
  was,
• 8:13
  was
• 8:13
  at
• 8:13
  a
• 8:13
  party
• 8:13
  that
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  saw.
• 8:14
  And
• 8:14
  then,
• 8:15
  you
• 8:15
  know,
• 8:16
  I,
• 8:16
  I
• 8:16
  was
• 8:16
  joking
• 8:16
  because
• 8:17
  I
• 8:17
  was
• 8:17
  at
• 8:17
  the,
• 8:17
  the
• 8:18
  Castle
• 8:18
  on
• 8:18
  the
• 8:19
  top
• 8:19
  of
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  Netflix
• 8:19
  party
• 8:20
  and
• 8:20
  Sir
• 8:20
  Peter
• 8:21
  Lord,
• 8:21
  like,
• 8:22
  you
• 8:22
  know,
• 8:22
  like,
• 8:23
  tried
• 8:23
  to
• 8:23
  go
• 8:23
  by
• 8:24
  me
• 8:24
  and
• 8:24
  kind
• 8:24
  of
• 8:25
  gave
• 8:25
  me
• 8:25
  like
• 8:25
  a
• 8:25
  little
• 8:25
  light
• 8:26
  shoulder
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  I
• 8:26
  was
• 8:26
  like,
• 8:27
  did,
• 8:27
  did
• 8:27
  I
• 8:28
  just
• 8:28
  fight
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  knight
• 8:28
  in
• 8:29
  a
• 8:29
  castle?
• 8:30
  Like,
• 8:32
  I'm
• 8:32
  gonna
• 8:32
  say
• 8:32
  I
• 8:32
  did,
• 8:33
  you
• 8:33
  know,
• 8:34
  but
• 8:34
  then,
• 8:34
  you
• 8:34
  know,
• 8:34
  people
• 8:35
  are
• 8:35
  renting
• 8:35
  yachts,
• 8:35
  they're
• 8:36
  renting
• 8:36
  boats,
• 8:37
  they're,
• 8:37
  you
• 8:38
  know,
• 8:38
  spending
• 8:39
  hundreds
• 8:40
  of
• 8:40
  thousands
• 8:40
  of
• 8:40
  dollars
• 8:41
  on
• 8:41
  these
• 8:42
  high,
• 8:42
  high
• 8:43
  end
• 8:43
  parties
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  were
• 8:44
  stacked
• 8:45
  on
• 8:45
  top
• 8:45
  of
• 8:45
  each
• 8:45
  other.
• 8:45
  I
• 8:46
  mean,
• 8:46
  there
• 8:46
  were,
• 8:46
  there
• 8:46
  were
• 8:47
  nights
• 8:47
  from
• 8:47
  most
• 8:47
  of
• 8:48
  us,
• 8:48
  the
• 8:48
  industry,
• 8:48
  like,
• 8:48
  oh,
• 8:49
  Tuesday,
• 8:49
  5pm
• 8:50
  which
• 8:50
  of
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  six
• 8:51
  events
• 8:51
  are
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  gonna
• 8:52
  go
• 8:52
  to?
• 8:52
  And
• 8:52
  they're
• 8:53
  all
• 8:53
  catered
• 8:54
  and
• 8:54
  they're
• 8:54
  all
• 8:54
  filled.
• 8:55
  That's
• 8:56
  interesting.
• 8:56
  Cause
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  have
• 8:56
  to
• 8:56
  say,
• 8:56
  like,
• 8:56
  looking
• 8:57
  at
• 8:57
  it
• 8:57
  going
• 8:57
  as
• 8:58
  like
• 8:59
  a
• 8:59
  little
• 8:59
  solo
• 9:00
  indie
• 9:00
  here.
• 9:00
  Like,
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  was
• 9:01
  looking
• 9:01
  at
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  schedule
• 9:02
  going
• 9:02
  like,
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  don't
• 9:03
  even
• 9:04
  know
• 9:04
  where
• 9:04
  to
• 9:04
  start
• 9:04
  with
• 9:04
  this.
• 9:05
  Right.
• 9:05
  That's
• 9:05
  what
• 9:05
  was
• 9:05
  one
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  overwhelming.
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  was
• 9:06
  like,
• 9:07
  I
• 9:07
  don't
• 9:07
  want
• 9:07
  to
• 9:07
  commit
• 9:07
  to
• 9:07
  this.
• 9:07
  I
• 9:07
  don't
• 9:08
  even
• 9:08
  know
• 9:08
  where
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  start
• 9:08
  with
• 9:08
  this.
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  need
• 9:10
  someone
• 9:10
  to
• 9:10
  explain
• 9:10
  it
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  me,
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  like,
• 9:12
  tell
• 9:12
  me
• 9:12
  what
• 9:12
  to
• 9:13
  do,
• 9:13
  tell
• 9:13
  me
• 9:13
  where
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  go.
• 9:14
  Because,
• 9:14
  like,
• 9:16
  I
• 9:16
  don't
• 9:16
  even
• 9:16
  know
• 9:16
  even,
• 9:17
  like,
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  know,
• 9:18
  how
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  would
• 9:18
  get
• 9:18
  between
• 9:19
  these
• 9:19
  places.
• 9:19
  Like,
• 9:20
  it's
• 9:20
  just,
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  mean,
• 9:20
  it's,
• 9:21
  it.
• 9:21
  Is
• 9:21
  kind
• 9:21
  of
• 9:22
  overwhelming
• 9:22
  from
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  outside.
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  would
• 9:23
  say
• 9:23
  it's
• 9:24
  like
• 9:24
  one
• 9:24
  day
• 9:24
  at
• 9:24
  Disney
• 9:25
  you're
• 9:25
  never
• 9:25
  gonna
• 9:26
  get
• 9:26
  it
• 9:26
  all.
• 9:26
  You
• 9:27
  gotta
• 9:27
  make
• 9:27
  your
• 9:27
  plan,
• 9:28
  you
• 9:28
  know,
• 9:28
  Because
• 9:29
  I
• 9:29
  mean,
• 9:30
  the
• 9:30
  thing
• 9:30
  that
• 9:30
  really
• 9:31
  breaks
• 9:31
  my
• 9:31
  heart
• 9:31
  this
• 9:31
  year
• 9:32
  is
• 9:32
  I
• 9:32
  saw
• 9:32
  zero
• 9:33
  screenings.
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  was
• 9:34
  unable
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  do
• 9:34
  a
• 9:34
  single
• 9:35
  screening
• 9:36
  because
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  couldn't
• 9:37
  buy,
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  forgot
• 9:37
  to
• 9:37
  buy
• 9:38
  tickets
• 9:38
  in
• 9:38
  advance,
• 9:38
  which
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  didn't
• 9:39
  know
• 9:40
  we
• 9:40
  had
• 9:40
  to
• 9:40
  do.
• 9:41
  There's
• 9:41
  always
• 9:41
  a
• 9:42
  long
• 9:42
  wait
• 9:42
  to
• 9:43
  get
• 9:43
  in
• 9:43
  there.
• 9:43
  It's
• 9:43
  at
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  banlieue.
• 9:44
  You
• 9:44
  know,
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  banlieu
• 9:45
  is
• 9:45
  here
• 9:45
  and
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  mife
• 9:46
  is
• 9:46
  like
• 9:46
  pretty
• 9:46
  far
• 9:47
  away.
• 9:48
  I
• 9:48
  was
• 9:48
  stacked
• 9:48
  10
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  15
• 9:49
  meetings
• 9:49
  a
• 9:50
  day
• 9:50
  and
• 9:51
  three
• 9:51
  dinners
• 9:51
  a
• 9:52
  night.
• 9:52
  You
• 9:52
  know,
• 9:53
  when
• 9:53
  am
• 9:53
  I
• 9:53
  going
• 9:53
  to
• 9:54
  watch
• 9:54
  cartoons?
• 9:55
  That's
• 9:55
  a
• 9:55
  lot
• 9:55
  of
• 9:55
  cheese
• 9:56
  and
• 9:56
  wine.
• 9:57
  Oh
• 9:57
  my.
• 9:58
  At
• 9:58
  the
• 9:58
  end,
• 9:58
  I
• 9:58
  mean,
• 9:58
  this
• 9:59
  lactose
• 9:59
  intolerant
• 10:00
  body
• 10:00
  with
• 10:01
  like
• 10:01
  stacking
• 10:02
  lactate
• 10:02
  pills
• 10:03
  was
• 10:03
  like,
• 10:03
  no,
• 10:03
  that's
• 10:04
  it.
• 10:04
  No
• 10:04
  more
• 10:04
  cheese.
• 10:04
  Like
• 10:05
  you're
• 10:05
  done.
• 10:06
  Yeah,
• 10:06
  yeah,
• 10:07
  yeah.
• 10:07
  And
• 10:07
  so
• 10:08
  what
• 10:08
  was
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  vibe
• 10:08
  there
• 10:08
  from
• 10:09
  an
• 10:09
  industry
• 10:09
  perspective?
• 10:10
  Like
• 10:10
  people
• 10:10
  are
• 10:10
  still
• 10:11
  hopeful.
• 10:11
  It
• 10:12
  like,
• 10:12
  it
• 10:12
  feels
• 10:13
  like
• 10:13
  it's,
• 10:14
  you
• 10:14
  know,
• 10:14
  as
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  said,
• 10:14
  it's
• 10:15
  one
• 10:15
  of
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  one
• 10:15
  event
• 10:16
  that
• 10:16
  still
• 10:16
  is
• 10:17
  really
• 10:18
  clarifying
• 10:18
  in
• 10:18
  terms
• 10:19
  of
• 10:19
  relevance.
• 10:19
  Like,
• 10:20
  what
• 10:20
  was
• 10:20
  the
• 10:20
  vibe?
• 10:22
  Man,
• 10:22
  there's
• 10:22
  so
• 10:23
  many
• 10:23
  kinds
• 10:24
  of
• 10:24
  vibes.
• 10:24
  You
• 10:24
  know,
• 10:25
  I.
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  think
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  first
• 10:26
  thing
• 10:26
  is
• 10:26
  there
• 10:26
  was
• 10:26
  a
• 10:27
  lot
• 10:27
  of
• 10:29
  nervousness
• 10:30
  and
• 10:30
  anxiety
• 10:30
  about
• 10:31
  AI.
• 10:31
  You
• 10:32
  know,
• 10:32
  it
• 10:32
  was
• 10:32
  the.
• 10:33
  The
• 10:34
  properly
• 10:35
  picketed
• 10:36
  subject,
• 10:36
  you
• 10:36
  know?
• 10:37
  You
• 10:37
  know,
• 10:37
  are
• 10:37
  you.
• 10:37
  Are
• 10:38
  you
• 10:38
  team
• 10:38
  for
• 10:38
  or
• 10:39
  team
• 10:39
  against
• 10:39
  there?
• 10:40
  There's
• 10:40
  no
• 10:40
  in
• 10:40
  between
• 10:40
  right
• 10:41
  now.
• 10:42
  And
• 10:42
  even
• 10:42
  the
• 10:42
  people
• 10:42
  who
• 10:43
  try
• 10:43
  to
• 10:43
  speak
• 10:43
  neutrally
• 10:44
  about
• 10:44
  it
• 10:44
  will
• 10:44
  find
• 10:45
  themselves
• 10:45
  slipping
• 10:45
  to
• 10:46
  one
• 10:46
  side.
• 10:47
  And
• 10:47
  even
• 10:47
  if
• 10:47
  you're
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  little
• 10:48
  bit.
• 10:50
  I
• 10:50
  think
• 10:51
  there
• 10:51
  is
• 10:51
  an
• 10:51
  in
• 10:51
  between,
• 10:52
  but
• 10:52
  I
• 10:52
  think
• 10:52
  it's
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  unspoken,
• 10:54
  try,.
• 10:54
  Try,
• 10:55
  I
• 10:55
  dare
• 10:55
  you.
• 10:58
  But
• 10:58
  having
• 10:59
  some
• 10:59
  conversations
• 11:00
  there,
• 11:00
  I
• 11:00
  definitely
• 11:00
  think
• 11:01
  the
• 11:01
  middle
• 11:01
  is
• 11:01
  shifting,
• 11:02
  but
• 11:03
  they're
• 11:03
  just
• 11:03
  being
• 11:03
  less
• 11:04
  vocal
• 11:04
  about
• 11:04
  it.
• 11:06
  But
• 11:06
  Eddie,
• 11:06
  you're
• 11:07
  also
• 11:07
  like
• 11:07
  a
• 11:07
  rational,
• 11:08
  intelligent,
• 11:09
  experienced
• 11:10
  industry
• 11:11
  professional.
• 11:12
  You're
• 11:12
  not
• 11:13
  an
• 11:13
  angry
• 11:13
  art
• 11:14
  student,
• 11:15
  you're
• 11:15
  not
• 11:15
  an
• 11:16
  angry
• 11:16
  film
• 11:16
  director.
• 11:17
  So
• 11:17
  as
• 11:17
  rational
• 11:18
  as
• 11:18
  you
• 11:18
  can
• 11:18
  be,
• 11:19
  there
• 11:19
  are
• 11:19
  people
• 11:19
  who
• 11:19
  are
• 11:20
  just
• 11:20
  going
• 11:20
  to
• 11:20
  slide
• 11:20
  it
• 11:20
  over
• 11:21
  and
• 11:21
  scream
• 11:22
  at
• 11:22
  you
• 11:22
  because
• 11:23
  they
• 11:23
  have
• 11:23
  emotions.
• 11:24
  Did
• 11:24
  you
• 11:24
  find
• 11:24
  that
• 11:24
  both
• 11:25
  sides
• 11:25
  of
• 11:25
  the
• 11:25
  conversation
• 11:26
  were
• 11:26
  respected?
• 11:27
  Is
• 11:27
  it
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  kind
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  place
• 11:28
  where
• 11:28
  you
• 11:28
  can
• 11:29
  air
• 11:29
  your
• 11:29
  opinion
• 11:30
  and
• 11:30
  have
• 11:31
  someone
• 11:32
  who
• 11:32
  isn't
• 11:32
  necessarily
• 11:33
  of
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  same
• 11:33
  opinion
• 11:34
  say,
• 11:34
  well,
• 11:34
  you
• 11:34
  know
• 11:35
  what?
• 11:35
  Fair
• 11:35
  enough.
• 11:35
  We're
• 11:36
  in
• 11:36
  the
• 11:36
  middle
• 11:36
  of
• 11:36
  this
• 11:36
  thing.
• 11:37
  We're
• 11:37
  still
• 11:37
  trying
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  work
• 11:37
  it
• 11:38
  out.
• 11:38
  This
• 11:39
  might
• 11:39
  reveal
• 11:39
  my
• 11:40
  bias,
• 11:40
  but
• 11:40
  I
• 11:40
  feel
• 11:40
  like
• 11:41
  it
• 11:41
  is
• 11:41
  okay
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  scream
• 11:42
  and
• 11:43
  yell
• 11:43
  and
• 11:43
  say
• 11:44
  bloody
• 11:44
  murder.
• 11:44
  If
• 11:45
  you're
• 11:45
  anti
• 11:45
  AI,
• 11:46
  it
• 11:46
  is
• 11:46
  not
• 11:46
  okay
• 11:47
  to
• 11:47
  do
• 11:47
  it
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  other
• 11:47
  way.
• 11:48
  Oh
• 11:48
  yeah,
• 11:50
  because
• 11:50
  you're
• 11:51
  punching
• 11:51
  down
• 11:51
  then
• 11:51
  I
• 11:52
  think,
• 11:52
  yeah,
• 11:52
  you're
• 11:53
  punching
• 11:53
  down
• 11:55
  if
• 11:55
  you
• 11:55
  do
• 11:55
  that.
• 11:56
  Or
• 11:57
  you
• 11:57
  sound
• 11:57
  like
• 11:57
  you're
• 11:58
  having
• 11:58
  boomer
• 11:58
  energy.
• 11:59
  If
• 11:59
  you're
• 11:59
  like,
• 12:00
  everyone's
• 12:00
  going
• 12:00
  to
• 12:00
  use
• 12:01
  it,
• 12:01
  just
• 12:01
  get
• 12:01
  over
• 12:02
  it.
• 12:04
  Boomer
• 12:05
  energy.
• 12:05
  Boomer
• 12:06
  energy.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:07
  AI,
• 12:07
  conversations
• 12:08
  aside,
• 12:09
  what
• 12:09
  other
• 12:09
  kind
• 12:10
  of
• 12:10
  conversations
• 12:11
  happen
• 12:11
  there?
• 12:12
  Because
• 12:13
  I
• 12:13
  was
• 12:13
  really.
• 12:14
  And
• 12:15
  I
• 12:15
  guess
• 12:15
  because
• 12:15
  I've
• 12:16
  never
• 12:16
  been,
• 12:16
  you
• 12:17
  know,
• 12:17
  are
• 12:17
  they
• 12:17
  creative
• 12:18
  conversations,
• 12:18
  are
• 12:18
  they
• 12:19
  funding
• 12:19
  conversations?
• 12:20
  Is
• 12:20
  their
• 12:20
  business
• 12:21
  done
• 12:21
  there
• 12:21
  or
• 12:21
  is
• 12:21
  it
• 12:22
  more
• 12:22
  amorphous
• 12:23
  than
• 12:23
  that?
• 12:25
  I
• 12:25
  think
• 12:26
  there
• 12:26
  is,
• 12:27
  I
• 12:27
  think
• 12:27
  there
• 12:27
  is
• 12:27
  business
• 12:28
  done
• 12:28
  there
• 12:28
  as
• 12:28
  much
• 12:29
  as
• 12:29
  there
• 12:29
  is
• 12:29
  at
• 12:29
  any
• 12:30
  market.
• 12:30
  But
• 12:31
  sometimes
• 12:31
  they're,
• 12:32
  they're
• 12:32
  the
• 12:33
  initial
• 12:33
  relationship
• 12:34
  building
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  conversations
• 12:35
  that
• 12:35
  will
• 12:35
  then
• 12:36
  bear
• 12:37
  fruit
• 12:39
  outside
• 12:39
  of,
• 12:40
  outside
• 12:41
  of
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  market
• 12:41
  and
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  festival.
• 12:43
  But
• 12:43
  I'm
• 12:43
  sure
• 12:44
  there
• 12:44
  are
• 12:44
  deals
• 12:45
  being
• 12:45
  made
• 12:45
  that
• 12:45
  there's
• 12:45
  a
• 12:45
  lot
• 12:46
  of.
• 12:47
  My
• 12:47
  impression
• 12:47
  is
• 12:48
  that
• 12:48
  it's
• 12:48
  become
• 12:49
  much
• 12:49
  more
• 12:49
  of
• 12:49
  a
• 12:49
  place
• 12:50
  for
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  corporates
• 12:51
  to
• 12:51
  make
• 12:51
  big
• 12:51
  announcements.
• 12:53
  That's
• 12:53
  exactly
• 12:53
  what
• 12:54
  I
• 12:54
  was
• 12:54
  going
• 12:54
  to
• 12:54
  say.
• 12:54
  Definitely.
• 12:55
  Yeah.
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  think
• 12:55
  they're,
• 12:56
  they're
• 12:56
  the
• 12:56
  one
• 12:57
  thing
• 12:57
  I
• 12:57
  fear
• 12:57
  for
• 12:57
  Annecy
• 12:58
  is
• 12:58
  they're
• 12:58
  sliding
• 12:59
  into
• 12:59
  the
• 13:00
  assumption
• 13:00
  that
• 13:01
  it's
• 13:01
  a
• 13:01
  B2C
• 13:01
  event
• 13:03
  and
• 13:03
  if
• 13:04
  it
• 13:04
  slides
• 13:04
  that
• 13:05
  way
• 13:05
  it's
• 13:05
  going
• 13:05
  to
• 13:05
  change
• 13:05
  the,
• 13:06
  the
• 13:07
  taste
• 13:07
  of
• 13:07
  the
• 13:08
  place.
• 13:08
  Because
• 13:09
  if
• 13:09
  you're
• 13:10
  filling
• 13:10
  all
• 13:10
  the
• 13:11
  hours
• 13:11
  with
• 13:12
  announcements,
• 13:13
  right,
• 13:13
  you're
• 13:14
  becoming
• 13:14
  Comic
• 13:14
  Con,
• 13:16
  you
• 13:16
  know,
• 13:16
  and
• 13:16
  you're
• 13:17
  becoming
• 13:17
  an
• 13:17
  event
• 13:17
  that
• 13:18
  is
• 13:18
  really
• 13:18
  just
• 13:18
  pushing
• 13:19
  out
• 13:19
  corporate
• 13:19
  messaging.
• 13:20
  Like
• 13:21
  I
• 13:21
  worry
• 13:22
  about
• 13:22
  that
• 13:22
  like,
• 13:22
  because
• 13:23
  I
• 13:23
  don't
• 13:23
  know
• 13:23
  who
• 13:24
  in
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  audience
• 13:24
  really
• 13:25
  cares.
• 13:26
  You
• 13:26
  know,
• 13:26
  I
• 13:27
  think
• 13:27
  it's
• 13:27
  a
• 13:27
  flex
• 13:27
  for
• 13:28
  the
• 13:28
  distributors.
• 13:30
  You
• 13:30
  know,
• 13:30
  if
• 13:30
  you're
• 13:30
  doing
• 13:31
  back
• 13:31
  to
• 13:31
  back,
• 13:31
  you
• 13:32
  know,
• 13:32
  you're
• 13:32
  doing
• 13:32
  a
• 13:32
  Warner
• 13:32
  Brothers
• 13:33
  panel
• 13:33
  that's
• 13:33
  going
• 13:33
  to
• 13:33
  announce
• 13:34
  your
• 13:34
  like
• 13:34
  next
• 13:34
  slate
• 13:35
  of
• 13:35
  seven
• 13:35
  or
• 13:35
  eight
• 13:35
  shows
• 13:36
  to
• 13:37
  a
• 13:37
  group
• 13:37
  of
• 13:37
  indie
• 13:38
  animators
• 13:38
  and
• 13:38
  other
• 13:39
  buyers
• 13:39
  and
• 13:39
  sellers.
• 13:40
  Like,
• 13:40
  is
• 13:40
  that
• 13:40
  really
• 13:41
  an
• 13:41
  effective
• 13:41
  use
• 13:42
  of
• 13:42
  PR
• 13:43
  effort?
• 13:44
  Like
• 13:45
  I,
• 13:45
  I,
• 13:45
  I
• 13:45
  wonder
• 13:46
  it
• 13:46
  could.
• 13:46
  It
• 13:46
  gets
• 13:46
  you
• 13:46
  press,
• 13:47
  you
• 13:48
  know,
• 13:48
  it
• 13:48
  gets
• 13:48
  your
• 13:48
  attention.
• 13:49
  But
• 13:50
  I'm
• 13:50
  not
• 13:51
  really
• 13:51
  sure.
• 13:51
  Like
• 13:51
  I
• 13:52
  always
• 13:52
  start
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  question
• 13:52
  what's
• 13:53
  the
• 13:53
  value
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  because,
• 13:54
  you
• 13:54
  know,
• 13:54
  seven,
• 13:55
  eight
• 13:55
  people,
• 13:55
  corporate
• 13:56
  travel,
• 13:57
  hotels,
• 13:58
  meals,
• 13:58
  badges.
• 13:59
  So
• 14:00
  you
• 14:00
  could
• 14:00
  all
• 14:00
  sit
• 14:00
  on
• 14:00
  the
• 14:00
  stage
• 14:01
  and
• 14:01
  tell
• 14:01
  200
• 14:02
  people
• 14:03
  that
• 14:03
  you've
• 14:03
  got
• 14:03
  seven
• 14:04
  new
• 14:04
  shows.
• 14:05
  Presumably
• 14:06
  the,
• 14:06
  the
• 14:06
  usual
• 14:07
  suspects
• 14:07
  in
• 14:07
  terms
• 14:07
  of
• 14:08
  press
• 14:08
  are
• 14:08
  there
• 14:08
  as
• 14:09
  well.
• 14:10
  Right,
• 14:10
  right.
• 14:11
  And
• 14:11
  they're
• 14:11
  starting
• 14:11
  to
• 14:11
  come
• 14:11
  with
• 14:12
  celebrities.
• 14:12
  They're
• 14:13
  coming
• 14:13
  like
• 14:14
  with
• 14:14
  the
• 14:14
  Ricky
• 14:14
  Gervais's
• 14:15
  and
• 14:15
  the
• 14:15
  Jermaine
• 14:15
  Clements
• 14:16
  and
• 14:16
  the
• 14:16
  Brad
• 14:16
  Birds,
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  know.
• 14:19
  So
• 14:20
  is
• 14:20
  it
• 14:20
  a
• 14:20
  corporate
• 14:20
  perk?
• 14:22
  Bad
• 14:23
  perk?
• 14:24
  Yeah.
• 14:24
  Right.
• 14:25
  But
• 14:25
  I
• 14:26
  think
• 14:26
  that
• 14:26
  those,
• 14:28
  that
• 14:28
  kind
• 14:28
  of
• 14:29
  star
• 14:29
  power
• 14:30
  that
• 14:30
  they
• 14:30
  bring
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  festival,
• 14:32
  I
• 14:33
  think
• 14:33
  there
• 14:33
  is
• 14:33
  a
• 14:33
  bit
• 14:33
  where
• 14:34
  some
• 14:34
  of
• 14:34
  that
• 14:34
  kind
• 14:35
  of
• 14:35
  can
• 14:35
  rub
• 14:35
  off
• 14:36
  to
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  benefit
• 14:36
  of
• 14:37
  other
• 14:37
  people
• 14:38
  that
• 14:38
  are
• 14:38
  showcasing
• 14:39
  their
• 14:40
  stuff
• 14:40
  at
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  festival
• 14:40
  as
• 14:41
  well.
• 14:41
  Because,
• 14:42
  because
• 14:42
  they
• 14:42
  can,
• 14:43
  you
• 14:43
  know,
• 14:43
  they
• 14:43
  can
• 14:44
  say
• 14:44
  that
• 14:44
  they're,
• 14:45
  they're
• 14:45
  presenting
• 14:47
  the
• 14:47
  same
• 14:47
  festival
• 14:48
  that
• 14:49
  all
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  these
• 14:50
  kind
• 14:50
  of
• 14:51
  star
• 14:51
  names
• 14:51
  are
• 14:51
  presenting
• 14:52
  that
• 14:52
  as
• 14:52
  well.
• 14:52
  So
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  think
• 14:53
  that.
• 14:53
  That
• 14:53
  does
• 14:53
  help
• 14:54
  me.
• 14:54
  Just
• 14:54
  so
• 14:54
  long
• 14:55
  as
• 14:55
  the
• 14:56
  star
• 14:56
  names
• 14:56
  don't
• 14:56
  just
• 14:57
  take
• 14:57
  up
• 14:57
  all
• 14:57
  of
• 14:58
  the
• 14:59
  bandwidth
• 15:00
  and.
• 15:01
  Bandwidth.
• 15:01
  I
• 15:01
  mean,
• 15:01
  I
• 15:01
  think
• 15:01
  this
• 15:02
  year
• 15:02
  it's.
• 15:02
  People
• 15:03
  haven't
• 15:03
  talked
• 15:03
  about
• 15:03
  it
• 15:04
  too
• 15:04
  much
• 15:04
  unless
• 15:04
  they
• 15:05
  actually
• 15:05
  worked
• 15:05
  on
• 15:05
  the
• 15:06
  project.
• 15:06
  But
• 15:06
  I'm
• 15:07
  very
• 15:07
  happy
• 15:08
  that
• 15:09
  Irvin
• 15:10
  Ann,
• 15:11
  a
• 15:11
  producer
• 15:12
  from
• 15:12
  Robot.
• 15:14
  Not
• 15:14
  Party
• 15:15
  Robot.
• 15:15
  Party.
• 15:15
  Not
• 15:15
  Robot.
• 15:16
  Party
• 15:17
  Robot.
• 15:18
  I
• 15:18
  forget
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  name
• 15:18
  of
• 15:18
  his
• 15:18
  product.
• 15:19
  Sorry.
• 15:19
  Irvin,
• 15:20
  the
• 15:20
  violinist.
• 15:21
  Yeah,
• 15:21
  the
• 15:22
  violinist
• 15:22
  won
• 15:23
  the,
• 15:23
  you
• 15:23
  know,
• 15:23
  the
• 15:24
  feature
• 15:24
  film
• 15:24
  prize.
• 15:25
  And
• 15:25
  I
• 15:25
  think
• 15:25
  that's
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  big
• 15:26
  statement.
• 15:27
  I
• 15:27
  mean,
• 15:27
  that
• 15:27
  film
• 15:27
  has
• 15:28
  been
• 15:28
  in
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  indie
• 15:29
  development
• 15:29
  world
• 15:29
  for
• 15:30
  a
• 15:30
  decade,
• 15:31
  you
• 15:32
  know,
• 15:32
  and
• 15:32
  for
• 15:32
  that
• 15:33
  to
• 15:33
  win,
• 15:33
  I
• 15:33
  think
• 15:33
  that's
• 15:34
  a
• 15:34
  big.
• 15:34
  That
• 15:35
  really
• 15:36
  is
• 15:36
  good
• 15:36
  for
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  festival.
• 15:37
  It's
• 15:37
  good
• 15:37
  for
• 15:37
  the
• 15:38
  filmmaker,
• 15:38
  it's
• 15:38
  good
• 15:38
  for
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  industry.
• 15:39
  You
• 15:40
  know,
• 15:40
  you
• 15:40
  start
• 15:40
  giving
• 15:40
  all
• 15:40
  those
• 15:41
  prizes
• 15:41
  away
• 15:41
  to
• 15:41
  the
• 15:41
  big,
• 15:42
  you
• 15:42
  know,
• 15:42
  $200
• 15:43
  million
• 15:43
  feature
• 15:44
  films,
• 15:45
  you're
• 15:45
  going
• 15:45
  to.
• 15:45
  You're
• 15:45
  going
• 15:45
  to
• 15:46
  lose
• 15:46
  the
• 15:46
  scent.
• 15:47
  Yeah,
• 15:48
  but
• 15:48
  no
• 15:48
  one
• 15:48
  really
• 15:48
  talks
• 15:49
  about
• 15:49
  outrage.
• 15:50
  Those
• 15:50
  smaller
• 15:50
  indies
• 15:51
  to
• 15:51
  go
• 15:51
  off
• 15:51
  and
• 15:51
  do
• 15:51
  their
• 15:51
  own
• 15:52
  thing
• 15:52
  somewhere
• 15:52
  else.
• 15:53
  Right,
• 15:53
  right,
• 15:54
  right,
• 15:55
  right.
• 15:56
  I
• 15:56
  think
• 15:56
  the
• 15:56
  other
• 15:56
  conversation
• 15:57
  I've
• 15:57
  been
• 15:57
  tracking,
• 15:57
  which.
• 15:58
  Which
• 15:58
  is
• 15:58
  now
• 15:58
  difficult
• 15:59
  to
• 15:59
  keep
• 15:59
  track
• 15:59
  of,
• 16:00
  is
• 16:00
  the
• 16:00
  anime
• 16:00
  and
• 16:01
  anime
• 16:01
  adjacent
• 16:01
  announcements,
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  know,
• 16:03
  I
• 16:03
  mean,
• 16:03
  the.
• 16:04
  They
• 16:04
  were
• 16:04
  coming
• 16:04
  thick
• 16:04
  and
• 16:05
  fast.
• 16:05
  They
• 16:06
  were.
• 16:06
  And
• 16:07
  they're
• 16:07
  all
• 16:07
  different,
• 16:07
  and
• 16:08
  they're
• 16:08
  all
• 16:08
  some
• 16:09
  version
• 16:10
  of
• 16:10
  fully
• 16:11
  Japanese
• 16:11
  or
• 16:11
  fully
• 16:11
  not
• 16:12
  Japanese.
• 16:13
  The
• 16:13
  Tokyo
• 16:13
  government
• 16:14
  was
• 16:14
  there
• 16:14
  in
• 16:15
  full
• 16:15
  power
• 16:16
  in
• 16:16
  multiple
• 16:16
  booths
• 16:17
  and
• 16:18
  multiple
• 16:18
  areas.
• 16:19
  You
• 16:19
  know,
• 16:19
  they
• 16:19
  were.
• 16:20
  They
• 16:20
  were
• 16:20
  really
• 16:20
  making
• 16:21
  a
• 16:21
  lot
• 16:21
  of
• 16:21
  noise.
• 16:23
  And,
• 16:23
  you
• 16:23
  know,
• 16:23
  like,
• 16:23
  I
• 16:24
  was
• 16:24
  like,
• 16:24
  oh,
• 16:24
  I'm
• 16:24
  going
• 16:24
  to
• 16:24
  summarize
• 16:25
  all
• 16:25
  these.
• 16:25
  And
• 16:25
  there's.
• 16:25
  There's
• 16:26
  like
• 16:26
  a
• 16:26
  dozen,
• 16:27
  maybe
• 16:27
  15
• 16:27
  announcements.
• 16:29
  It's
• 16:29
  just
• 16:29
  hard
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  even,
• 16:30
  like,
• 16:30
  remember
• 16:31
  everything
• 16:31
  happening.
• 16:33
  And
• 16:33
  so
• 16:33
  do
• 16:33
  you
• 16:33
  think
• 16:34
  that
• 16:34
  kind
• 16:34
  of.
• 16:34
  That
• 16:35
  genre
• 16:35
  is
• 16:35
  really
• 16:36
  beefing
• 16:36
  out
• 16:37
  in
• 16:37
  terms
• 16:37
  of,
• 16:38
  like,
• 16:38
  its
• 16:38
  presence
• 16:39
  at
• 16:39
  the
• 16:39
  festival
• 16:40
  like
• 16:40
  that
• 16:40
  where
• 16:40
  it
• 16:40
  wasn't
• 16:40
  before?
• 16:42
  I
• 16:42
  think
• 16:42
  so.
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  think
• 16:43
  so.
• 16:43
  And
• 16:44
  it's
• 16:44
  funny,
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  saw
• 16:44
  it
• 16:44
  from,
• 16:45
  like,
• 16:45
  two
• 16:45
  very
• 16:45
  different
• 16:46
  angles.
• 16:46
  One
• 16:46
  was
• 16:47
  like,
• 16:47
  the
• 16:48
  Japanese
• 16:49
  government
• 16:49
  push,
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  know,
• 16:50
  they
• 16:50
  bring
• 16:50
  a
• 16:50
  lot
• 16:50
  of
• 16:51
  their
• 16:51
  directors
• 16:51
  and
• 16:52
  production
• 16:52
  companies
• 16:53
  and
• 16:53
  creatives.
• 16:54
  Then
• 16:54
  there
• 16:55
  was
• 16:55
  like,
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  Western
• 16:56
  company
• 16:56
  Fusion
• 16:56
  push,
• 16:57
  you
• 16:57
  know,
• 16:58
  which
• 16:58
  was
• 16:58
  like
• 16:58
  all,
• 16:59
  you
• 16:59
  know,
• 16:59
  Warner
• 16:59
  Brothers
• 17:00
  doing
• 17:00
  the
• 17:00
  new
• 17:00
  Scooby
• 17:01
  Doo
• 17:01
  or
• 17:02
  Warner
• 17:02
  Brothers
• 17:03
  and
• 17:03
  anime
• 17:03
  and
• 17:03
  Warner
• 17:04
  Brothers
• 17:04
  doing
• 17:04
  like
• 17:04
  a
• 17:05
  whole
• 17:05
  webtoons
• 17:05
  thing
• 17:06
  where
• 17:06
  they're,
• 17:06
  like,
• 17:06
  combining
• 17:07
  with
• 17:07
  all
• 17:07
  these
• 17:08
  titles.
• 17:08
  And
• 17:08
  then,
• 17:09
  like,
• 17:09
  crazily.
• 17:10
  I
• 17:10
  spent
• 17:10
  a
• 17:11
  lot
• 17:11
  of
• 17:11
  time
• 17:11
  with
• 17:11
  a
• 17:11
  small
• 17:12
  Czechoslovakian
• 17:13
  company.
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  mean,
• 17:13
  these
• 17:13
  guys
• 17:13
  are
• 17:14
  like,
• 17:14
  all
• 17:14
  under
• 17:14
  30.
• 17:15
  You
• 17:15
  know,
• 17:15
  they
• 17:16
  hitchhiked
• 17:16
  to
• 17:17
  Annecy,
• 17:18
  you
• 17:18
  know,
• 17:18
  after,
• 17:19
  like,
• 17:19
  kind
• 17:19
  of
• 17:19
  like
• 17:20
  it
• 17:20
  was
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  last
• 17:20
  Mile.
• 17:21
  They
• 17:21
  just
• 17:21
  couldn't
• 17:21
  get
• 17:21
  to.
• 17:22
  They
• 17:22
  literally
• 17:22
  hitchhiked.
• 17:23
  And
• 17:23
  then
• 17:24
  I
• 17:24
  looked
• 17:24
  at
• 17:24
  like
• 17:24
  this
• 17:24
  graduate
• 17:25
  students
• 17:25
  film,
• 17:26
  you
• 17:26
  know,
• 17:26
  that
• 17:26
  was
• 17:27
  showing
• 17:27
  a
• 17:27
  trailer
• 17:28
  100%
• 17:29
  Japanese
• 17:30
  anime
• 17:30
  style.
• 17:30
  Like
• 17:31
  there
• 17:31
  was
• 17:31
  no
• 17:32
  Czechoslovakian
• 17:33
  touch
• 17:33
  in
• 17:33
  there
• 17:34
  at
• 17:34
  all.
• 17:34
  It
• 17:34
  was.
• 17:35
  And
• 17:35
  so
• 17:35
  it's
• 17:35
  like
• 17:36
  you
• 17:36
  can
• 17:36
  see
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  convergence
• 17:38
  of
• 17:38
  all
• 17:38
  this,
• 17:39
  like
• 17:39
  making
• 17:40
  anime
• 17:40
  the
• 17:41
  elephant
• 17:41
  in
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  room
• 17:42
  for
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  new
• 17:42
  style
• 17:43
  for
• 17:43
  a
• 17:43
  generation.
• 17:44
  And
• 17:44
  do
• 17:44
  you
• 17:45
  think
• 17:45
  that's
• 17:45
  a
• 17:45
  function
• 17:45
  of,
• 17:47
  is
• 17:47
  it
• 17:47
  just
• 17:48
  a
• 17:48
  trend
• 17:48
  thing?
• 17:49
  Will
• 17:49
  the
• 17:49
  next
• 17:50
  thing
• 17:50
  come
• 17:50
  along?
• 17:51
  Or
• 17:51
  do
• 17:51
  you
• 17:51
  think
• 17:52
  that
• 17:52
  this
• 17:52
  is
• 17:52
  people
• 17:52
  actually
• 17:53
  saying
• 17:53
  now,
• 17:54
  actually,
• 17:54
  now
• 17:55
  this
• 17:55
  is
• 17:56
  viable,
• 17:56
  we're
• 17:57
  allowed
• 17:57
  to
• 17:57
  go
• 17:57
  and
• 17:58
  pitch
• 17:58
  some
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  this
• 17:58
  at
• 17:59
  these
• 17:59
  kind
• 17:59
  of
• 17:59
  events?
• 18:00
  Yes
• 18:01
  and
• 18:01
  yes.
• 18:02
  I
• 18:02
  mean,
• 18:02
  I
• 18:02
  feel
• 18:03
  I've
• 18:03
  been
• 18:03
  saying
• 18:03
  this
• 18:03
  for
• 18:04
  couple
• 18:04
  years
• 18:05
  now,
• 18:05
  but
• 18:05
  you
• 18:05
  know,
• 18:05
  it's,
• 18:05
  it's
• 18:06
  become
• 18:06
  hip
• 18:06
  hop,
• 18:07
  you
• 18:07
  know,
• 18:07
  it
• 18:07
  is
• 18:08
  so
• 18:08
  deeply
• 18:08
  embedded
• 18:09
  in
• 18:09
  every
• 18:09
  part
• 18:09
  of
• 18:10
  the
• 18:10
  culture
• 18:10
  that's
• 18:11
  never
• 18:11
  going
• 18:11
  to
• 18:11
  be
• 18:11
  removed.
• 18:13
  And
• 18:13
  just
• 18:13
  to
• 18:14
  not
• 18:14
  have
• 18:14
  it.
• 18:14
  There
• 18:14
  is
• 18:15
  now
• 18:15
  a
• 18:15
  statement,
• 18:16
  you
• 18:16
  know,
• 18:17
  but
• 18:17
  now
• 18:17
  businesses
• 18:18
  are
• 18:18
  like,
• 18:18
  how
• 18:19
  do
• 18:19
  we
• 18:19
  cash
• 18:19
  in?
• 18:20
  So
• 18:20
  Tokyo
• 18:20
  government's
• 18:21
  moving,
• 18:21
  you
• 18:22
  know,
• 18:22
  there
• 18:22
  was
• 18:23
  some
• 18:23
  big
• 18:23
  news
• 18:23
  recently
• 18:24
  about,
• 18:24
  you
• 18:25
  know,
• 18:25
  foreign
• 18:26
  companies
• 18:26
  and
• 18:26
  foreign
• 18:27
  agencies
• 18:27
  saying
• 18:27
  like,
• 18:27
  oh,
• 18:28
  we
• 18:28
  need
• 18:28
  to
• 18:28
  regulate
• 18:29
  anime
• 18:30
  and
• 18:30
  manga.
• 18:30
  And
• 18:31
  the
• 18:31
  Japanese
• 18:31
  government
• 18:31
  saying,
• 18:32
  stay
• 18:33
  out
• 18:33
  of
• 18:33
  our
• 18:33
  business.
• 18:34
  Like
• 18:34
  it's
• 18:34
  our
• 18:35
  art
• 18:35
  form.
• 18:36
  You
• 18:36
  have
• 18:36
  no
• 18:36
  say,
• 18:37
  no
• 18:37
  say
• 18:38
  at
• 18:38
  all.
• 18:38
  We're
• 18:39
  protecting
• 18:39
  our
• 18:39
  culture,
• 18:40
  we're
• 18:40
  protecting
• 18:40
  our
• 18:40
  things.
• 18:41
  So
• 18:41
  no
• 18:41
  thank
• 18:42
  you,
• 18:42
  sir.
• 18:44
  And
• 18:44
  then
• 18:44
  everyone's
• 18:44
  trying
• 18:45
  to
• 18:45
  figure
• 18:45
  out
• 18:45
  how
• 18:45
  can
• 18:46
  they
• 18:46
  do
• 18:46
  these?
• 18:47
  What's
• 18:48
  the
• 18:48
  formula?
• 18:49
  Everyone's
• 18:49
  like,
• 18:49
  what
• 18:49
  is
• 18:49
  the
• 18:49
  formula?
• 18:50
  Do
• 18:50
  we
• 18:50
  do
• 18:51
  more
• 18:52
  episodes
• 18:53
  that
• 18:53
  are
• 18:53
  cheaper?
• 18:54
  Do
• 18:54
  we
• 18:54
  do
• 18:54
  these
• 18:55
  high
• 18:55
  budget
• 18:55
  action
• 18:56
  splashes?
• 18:57
  Oh,
• 18:57
  maybe
• 18:57
  we
• 18:57
  throw
• 18:57
  Western
• 18:58
  IP
• 18:58
  on
• 18:58
  their
• 18:58
  own
• 18:59
  or
• 18:59
  maybe
• 18:59
  we
• 18:59
  get
• 18:59
  the
• 18:59
  top
• 19:00
  webtoon.
• 19:00
  So
• 19:00
  like
• 19:01
  everyone's,
• 19:01
  everyone
• 19:02
  wants
• 19:02
  a
• 19:02
  way
• 19:02
  in
• 19:02
  to
• 19:03
  have
• 19:03
  their
• 19:04
  one
• 19:04
  piece,
• 19:04
  their
• 19:05
  Dragon
• 19:05
  Ball,
• 19:05
  their
• 19:06
  Demon
• 19:06
  Slayer,
• 19:07
  their
• 19:07
  attack
• 19:07
  on
• 19:07
  Titan
• 19:08
  and
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  kids,
• 19:09
  they
• 19:09
  want
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  make
• 19:10
  their
• 19:10
  attack
• 19:11
  on
• 19:11
  Titan
• 19:11
  and
• 19:12
  their
• 19:12
  Jujutsu
• 19:12
  Kaisen.
• 19:14
  Yeah.
• 19:14
  So
• 19:14
  it's
• 19:15
  like
• 19:15
  again,
• 19:15
  it's
• 19:15
  like
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  perfect
• 19:16
  picnic.
• 19:17
  Everything
• 19:18
  comes
• 19:18
  with
• 19:18
  its
• 19:18
  own
• 19:18
  problems
• 19:19
  and
• 19:19
  challenges.
• 19:19
  So
• 19:20
  kind
• 19:20
  of
• 19:20
  when
• 19:21
  anime
• 19:22
  was
• 19:22
  starting,
• 19:23
  it
• 19:23
  was
• 19:23
  about
• 19:23
  how
• 19:24
  you
• 19:24
  produced
• 19:24
  it
• 19:25
  and
• 19:26
  a
• 19:27
  lot
• 19:27
  of
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  decisions
• 19:28
  were
• 19:28
  made
• 19:29
  because
• 19:29
  they
• 19:29
  couldn't
• 19:29
  do
• 19:30
  stuff.
• 19:30
  So,
• 19:30
  you
• 19:30
  know,
• 19:31
  you'd
• 19:31
  had
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  character
• 19:32
  with
• 19:32
  the
• 19:33
  back
• 19:33
  of
• 19:33
  their
• 19:33
  head
• 19:33
  to
• 19:33
  you
• 19:33
  so
• 19:34
  you
• 19:34
  didn't
• 19:34
  have
• 19:34
  to
• 19:34
  worry
• 19:34
  about
• 19:35
  lip
• 19:35
  sync.
• 19:35
  And
• 19:36
  right
• 19:36
  now
• 19:36
  it's
• 19:37
  kind
• 19:37
  of
• 19:37
  almost
• 19:37
  dealing
• 19:37
  with
• 19:38
  the
• 19:38
  problems
• 19:38
  that
• 19:38
  comes
• 19:38
  with
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  success
• 19:39
  as
• 19:40
  well.
• 19:41
  Right,
• 19:42
  right.
• 19:42
  And
• 19:42
  people
• 19:43
  are
• 19:43
  starting
• 19:43
  to
• 19:43
  really
• 19:43
  figure
• 19:44
  it
• 19:44
  out.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:45
  I
• 19:45
  think,
• 19:46
  you
• 19:46
  know,
• 19:46
  in
• 19:46
  the
• 19:46
  way
• 19:47
  that
• 19:47
  it
• 19:47
  took
• 19:47
  K
• 19:48
  Pop
• 19:48
  and
• 19:48
  J
• 19:48
  Pop
• 19:49
  Like
• 19:49
  a
• 19:49
  while
• 19:50
  to
• 19:50
  find
• 19:50
  its
• 19:51
  own
• 19:51
  unique
• 19:51
  footing
• 19:52
  and
• 19:52
  for
• 19:52
  a
• 19:52
  while
• 19:52
  just
• 19:53
  felt
• 19:53
  derivative.
• 19:53
  And
• 19:54
  now
• 19:54
  it's,
• 19:55
  you
• 19:55
  know,
• 19:55
  flip
• 19:56
  the
• 19:56
  script.
• 19:56
  I
• 19:56
  feel
• 19:56
  like
• 19:56
  the,
• 19:57
  the
• 19:58
  non
• 19:58
  Japanese
• 19:59
  anime.
• 20:00
  And
• 20:00
  you
• 20:00
  know,
• 20:00
  you
• 20:01
  have
• 20:01
  the
• 20:01
  producer
• 20:01
  from
• 20:02
  toei
• 20:02
  animation,
• 20:03
  right,
• 20:03
  Mr.
• 20:03
  Osama,
• 20:05
  saying
• 20:05
  the
• 20:06
  future
• 20:06
  of
• 20:06
  anime
• 20:06
  is
• 20:07
  not
• 20:07
  going
• 20:07
  to
• 20:07
  be
• 20:08
  Japanese
• 20:09
  only
• 20:09
  produced
• 20:10
  anime.
• 20:11
  I
• 20:11
  think
• 20:11
  we're
• 20:11
  gonna
• 20:11
  find
• 20:12
  out
• 20:12
  what
• 20:12
  is
• 20:12
  gonna
• 20:12
  be
• 20:13
  that
• 20:13
  Brit
• 20:14
  anime,
• 20:14
  that
• 20:14
  franime,
• 20:15
  that
• 20:15
  Kanime,
• 20:16
  that
• 20:16
  cowboy
• 20:17
  anime.
• 20:17
  Like,
• 20:18
  you
• 20:18
  know,
• 20:18
  and
• 20:18
  we're
• 20:19
  gonna.
• 20:19
  Oh,
• 20:20
  I
• 20:20
  got
• 20:20
  all
• 20:20
  the
• 20:20
  puns.
• 20:22
  I'm
• 20:23
  like,
• 20:23
  yeah,
• 20:23
  you
• 20:24
  need
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  trademark
• 20:24
  all
• 20:25
  of
• 20:25
  these
• 20:25
  quick.
• 20:25
  That's
• 20:26
  right,
• 20:26
  exactly.
• 20:27
  But,
• 20:27
  you
• 20:28
  know,
• 20:28
  I've
• 20:28
  been
• 20:28
  using
• 20:28
  cowboy
• 20:29
  anime
• 20:29
  for
• 20:29
  like
• 20:29
  a
• 20:30
  couple
• 20:30
  years,
• 20:30
  which
• 20:30
  is
• 20:30
  like
• 20:31
  any
• 20:32
  animation
• 20:32
  that
• 20:33
  is
• 20:33
  anime
• 20:34
  inspired,
• 20:34
  where
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  creative
• 20:35
  center
• 20:35
  is
• 20:35
  not
• 20:35
  Japan.
• 20:36
  And
• 20:36
  I
• 20:36
  met
• 20:37
  a
• 20:37
  woman
• 20:37
  who
• 20:38
  made
• 20:38
  a
• 20:38
  company
• 20:38
  called
• 20:39
  Cowboy
• 20:39
  Anime.
• 20:39
  Like,
• 20:40
  she
• 20:40
  was.
• 20:40
  She
• 20:40
  wrote
• 20:40
  me
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  nice
• 20:41
  message
• 20:41
  like,
• 20:41
  can
• 20:41
  I
• 20:41
  use
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  name?
• 20:42
  I
• 20:42
  was
• 20:43
  like,
• 20:43
  I'm
• 20:43
  not
• 20:43
  a
• 20:43
  very
• 20:43
  smart
• 20:44
  guy.
• 20:44
  Go
• 20:44
  ahead,
• 20:44
  just
• 20:45
  take
• 20:45
  it.
• 20:47
  I'm
• 20:47
  not
• 20:48
  going
• 20:48
  to
• 20:48
  charge
• 20:48
  you.
• 20:48
  So
• 20:49
  who
• 20:49
  should
• 20:50
  be,
• 20:50
  who
• 20:50
  should
• 20:50
  be
• 20:50
  going
• 20:51
  to
• 20:51
  this?
• 20:51
  Who
• 20:51
  should
• 20:52
  be
• 20:52
  going?
• 20:52
  Producers,
• 20:54
  distributors,
• 20:55
  like
• 20:56
  everybody,
• 20:56
  everybody
• 20:57
  in
• 20:57
  the,
• 20:57
  in
• 20:57
  the,
• 20:57
  in
• 20:58
  the
• 20:58
  kids
• 20:58
  industry
• 20:58
  or,
• 20:59
  or,
• 20:59
  or,
• 20:59
  or
• 21:00
  anyone
• 21:00
  who's
• 21:01
  interested
• 21:01
  in
• 21:01
  animation.
• 21:02
  Like,
• 21:02
  what
• 21:02
  is.
• 21:02
  It's.
• 21:03
  Yeah,
• 21:03
  it's
• 21:03
  Mecca.
• 21:04
  It's
• 21:04
  Mecca.
• 21:04
  You've
• 21:05
  got
• 21:05
  to
• 21:05
  make,
• 21:05
  you
• 21:05
  got
• 21:05
  to
• 21:06
  make
• 21:06
  a
• 21:06
  journey
• 21:06
  a
• 21:06
  couple
• 21:07
  of
• 21:07
  times
• 21:07
  in
• 21:07
  your
• 21:07
  career.
• 21:08
  It's
• 21:08
  like
• 21:08
  you
• 21:08
  have
• 21:08
  to
• 21:09
  touch
• 21:09
  those
• 21:09
  cobblestones.
• 21:10
  You
• 21:10
  got
• 21:11
  to
• 21:11
  drink
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  water
• 21:11
  out
• 21:12
  of
• 21:12
  the
• 21:12
  fountain
• 21:12
  that's
• 21:13
  like
• 21:13
  pouring
• 21:13
  out
• 21:13
  there.
• 21:14
  You
• 21:14
  got
• 21:14
  to
• 21:15
  put
• 21:15
  your
• 21:15
  feet
• 21:15
  in
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  water.
• 21:16
  You
• 21:16
  got
• 21:16
  to
• 21:17
  stand
• 21:17
  up
• 21:17
  for
• 21:17
  a
• 21:17
  couple,
• 21:17
  you
• 21:17
  got
• 21:18
  to
• 21:18
  go
• 21:18
  to
• 21:18
  a
• 21:18
  couple
• 21:18
  screenings.
• 21:18
  And
• 21:19
  so,
• 21:19
  you
• 21:19
  know,
• 21:19
  they
• 21:19
  have
• 21:20
  this
• 21:20
  thing
• 21:20
  where
• 21:20
  everyone
• 21:20
  throws
• 21:21
  paper
• 21:21
  airplanes
• 21:21
  at
• 21:21
  the
• 21:21
  screen
• 21:23
  and,
• 21:24
  and
• 21:24
  then
• 21:24
  everyone
• 21:24
  says,
• 21:26
  because
• 21:27
  they,
• 21:27
  they
• 21:27
  hide
• 21:27
  a
• 21:28
  secret
• 21:28
  rabbit
• 21:29
  in
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  opening
• 21:29
  sequence
• 21:30
  and
• 21:30
  when
• 21:30
  you
• 21:30
  spot
• 21:31
  it,
• 21:31
  you
• 21:31
  yell.
• 21:32
  And
• 21:32
  you
• 21:32
  know,
• 21:32
  I
• 21:33
  talked
• 21:33
  to
• 21:33
  a
• 21:33
  director
• 21:33
  who
• 21:33
  was
• 21:34
  like.
• 21:34
  I
• 21:34
  talked
• 21:34
  to
• 21:34
  director
• 21:35
  who
• 21:35
  was
• 21:35
  like,
• 21:35
  oh,
• 21:35
  yeah,
• 21:35
  you
• 21:36
  know,
• 21:36
  we
• 21:36
  were
• 21:36
  throwing
• 21:36
  paper
• 21:36
  airplanes
• 21:37
  and
• 21:37
  everything
• 21:37
  was
• 21:38
  settled,
• 21:38
  lights
• 21:38
  were
• 21:38
  going
• 21:38
  down
• 21:39
  and
• 21:39
  one
• 21:39
  little
• 21:39
  plane
• 21:40
  just
• 21:40
  sailed
• 21:41
  out
• 21:41
  and
• 21:42
  then
• 21:42
  it
• 21:42
  just
• 21:42
  curved
• 21:43
  and
• 21:43
  it
• 21:43
  landed
• 21:43
  in
• 21:44
  the
• 21:44
  recycling
• 21:44
  bin
• 21:45
  and.
• 21:45
  And
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  place
• 21:46
  went
• 21:46
  absolutely
• 21:48
  nuts.
• 21:49
  That's
• 21:49
  great.
• 21:50
  I
• 21:51
  was
• 21:51
  at
• 21:51
  a
• 21:51
  presentation
• 21:52
  where
• 21:53
  initially
• 21:53
  the
• 21:53
  producer
• 21:54
  and
• 21:54
  director
• 21:54
  who
• 21:54
  were
• 21:55
  new
• 21:55
  to
• 21:55
  Annecy,
• 21:56
  were
• 21:56
  a
• 21:56
  bit
• 21:56
  like,
• 21:57
  dude,
• 21:57
  why
• 21:57
  does
• 21:57
  this
• 21:58
  guy
• 21:58
  keep
• 21:58
  throwing
• 21:58
  airplanes
• 21:59
  at
• 21:59
  us?
• 21:59
  They
• 22:00
  have
• 22:00
  to
• 22:00
  explain.
• 22:00
  Actually,
• 22:01
  it
• 22:02
  was
• 22:02
  a
• 22:02
  positive.
• 22:02
  It
• 22:03
  was
• 22:03
  a
• 22:03
  compliment.
• 22:04
  Yeah.
• 22:05
  But
• 22:05
  yeah,
• 22:05
  yeah,
• 22:06
  it's
• 22:06
  very
• 22:06
  special.
• 22:07
  Yeah.
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  mean,
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  think
• 22:09
  if
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  are
• 22:09
  interested
• 22:10
  or
• 22:10
  working
• 22:11
  in
• 22:11
  animation
• 22:13
  is
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  place
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  go
• 22:15
  to,
• 22:16
  or
• 22:16
  just
• 22:16
  being.
• 22:16
  Inspired,
• 22:17
  you
• 22:17
  know,
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  mean,
• 22:17
  yeah,
• 22:18
  and.
• 22:18
  I,
• 22:18
  and
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  thought
• 22:19
  it
• 22:19
  was
• 22:19
  had
• 22:20
  and
• 22:20
  it
• 22:20
  had
• 22:20
  a
• 22:20
  very
• 22:20
  positive
• 22:21
  vibe
• 22:22
  this
• 22:22
  year
• 22:23
  which,
• 22:23
  which
• 22:24
  not
• 22:24
  all
• 22:24
  of
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  markets
• 22:26
  have
• 22:26
  had
• 22:27
  in
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  last
• 22:28
  couple
• 22:28
  of
• 22:28
  years.
• 22:29
  But
• 22:29
  it's
• 22:29
  back
• 22:29
  to
• 22:29
  this
• 22:29
  thing
• 22:30
  where
• 22:30
  it's
• 22:30
  an,
• 22:30
  it's
• 22:30
  an
• 22:31
  experience,
• 22:31
  not
• 22:31
  just
• 22:32
  an
• 22:32
  event.
• 22:32
  Right.
• 22:32
  Like
• 22:32
  it's
• 22:33
  something
• 22:33
  that,
• 22:34
  like
• 22:34
  you
• 22:35
  say,
• 22:35
  Eric,
• 22:35
  and
• 22:35
  it
• 22:36
  fires
• 22:36
  on
• 22:36
  five
• 22:36
  cylinders.
• 22:37
  If
• 22:37
  it
• 22:37
  fired
• 22:37
  on
• 22:38
  one,
• 22:38
  it
• 22:38
  would
• 22:38
  be
• 22:38
  enough
• 22:38
  to
• 22:39
  go.
• 22:39
  But
• 22:40
  because
• 22:40
  it's
• 22:40
  bringing
• 22:40
  all
• 22:41
  these
• 22:41
  different
• 22:41
  elements
• 22:41
  together,
• 22:42
  that's
• 22:42
  what
• 22:42
  makes
• 22:43
  it
• 22:44
  so
• 22:44
  special
• 22:44
  and
• 22:44
  makes
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  feeling
• 22:45
  of
• 22:45
  it
• 22:45
  so
• 22:46
  good.
• 22:48
  And
• 22:48
  so
• 22:50
  do
• 22:50
  you,
• 22:50
  do
• 22:50
  you,
• 22:51
  given
• 22:51
  that
• 22:52
  one
• 22:52
  would
• 22:52
  assume
• 22:53
  that
• 22:53
  if
• 22:53
  you,
• 22:54
  if
• 22:54
  you're
• 22:54
  feeling
• 22:54
  the
• 22:55
  vibrations
• 22:55
  you're
• 22:55
  going
• 22:56
  to
• 22:56
  get
• 22:56
  a
• 22:56
  heads
• 22:56
  up
• 22:56
  on
• 22:57
  what's
• 22:57
  coming
• 22:57
  down
• 22:57
  the
• 22:57
  pipe.
• 22:57
  So
• 22:58
  we've
• 22:58
  spoken
• 22:58
  about
• 22:58
  AI,
• 22:59
  we
• 22:59
  spoke
• 22:59
  about
• 22:59
  anime.
• 23:00
  Is
• 23:00
  there
• 23:00
  anything
• 23:01
  else
• 23:01
  as
• 23:01
  you
• 23:01
  were
• 23:01
  wandering
• 23:02
  around,
• 23:02
  particularly
• 23:02
  as
• 23:03
  someone
• 23:03
  who's
• 23:03
  not
• 23:03
  been
• 23:03
  for
• 23:04
  a
• 23:04
  while,
• 23:04
  Eric,
• 23:05
  is
• 23:05
  there
• 23:05
  anything
• 23:06
  that
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  thought
• 23:06
  that's
• 23:06
  interesting?
• 23:07
  That's
• 23:08
  a,
• 23:08
  that's
• 23:08
  a
• 23:09
  on
• 23:09
  my
• 23:09
  watching
• 23:10
  brief
• 23:10
  list.
• 23:11
  Yeah,
• 23:12
  I
• 23:12
  mean
• 23:12
  I,
• 23:12
  I,
• 23:13
  I
• 23:13
  think
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  kids
• 23:14
  are
• 23:14
  all
• 23:14
  right.
• 23:14
  You
• 23:14
  know,
• 23:15
  I
• 23:15
  think
• 23:15
  that
• 23:15
  they
• 23:16
  got
• 23:16
  a
• 23:16
  vibe
• 23:16
  for
• 23:17
  what's
• 23:18
  going
• 23:18
  to
• 23:18
  work
• 23:18
  on
• 23:18
  social
• 23:19
  media.
• 23:19
  They've
• 23:20
  got
• 23:20
  like
• 23:20
  an
• 23:20
  intuition
• 23:21
  for
• 23:21
  how
• 23:21
  their
• 23:22
  indie
• 23:22
  film
• 23:23
  can
• 23:23
  break
• 23:23
  through
• 23:23
  on
• 23:24
  TikTok.
• 23:25
  They've
• 23:25
  all,
• 23:25
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:26
  you
• 23:26
  know,
• 23:27
  I,
• 23:27
  I,
• 23:27
  Surviving
• 23:28
  Animation
• 23:28
  had
• 23:28
  a
• 23:28
  big
• 23:28
  year
• 23:29
  so
• 23:29
  I'm
• 23:29
  very
• 23:29
  happy
• 23:29
  because
• 23:30
  I
• 23:30
  had
• 23:30
  like
• 23:31
  kids
• 23:31
  stopping
• 23:31
  me
• 23:31
  in
• 23:31
  the
• 23:31
  street
• 23:32
  saying,
• 23:32
  aren't
• 23:32
  you
• 23:32
  the
• 23:32
  surviving
• 23:33
  animation
• 23:33
  guy?
• 23:34
  And
• 23:34
  I
• 23:34
  was
• 23:34
  like,
• 23:35
  yes,
• 23:35
  I
• 23:35
  am.
• 23:35
  She
• 23:36
  had
• 23:36
  tattoos
• 23:36
  all
• 23:36
  over
• 23:37
  you.
• 23:37
  I
• 23:38
  did,
• 23:38
  yeah.
• 23:38
  My
• 23:38
  temporary
• 23:39
  tattoo
• 23:39
  is
• 23:40
  like
• 23:40
  still,
• 23:41
  still
• 23:41
  there.
• 23:42
  You
• 23:42
  need
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  send
• 23:43
  me
• 23:43
  an
• 23:43
  Emily
• 23:43
  one.
• 23:44
  I
• 23:44
  will.
• 23:45
  I've
• 23:46
  got
• 23:46
  Emily.
• 23:47
  Yeah.
• 23:47
  Eric's
• 23:48
  given
• 23:48
  me
• 23:48
  three.
• 23:49
  So
• 23:49
  next
• 23:50
  time
• 23:50
  we
• 23:50
  all
• 23:50
  meet
• 23:50
  up.
• 23:53
  But
• 23:54
  I
• 23:54
  feel
• 23:54
  like
• 23:55
  in
• 23:55
  a
• 23:55
  similar
• 23:55
  way
• 23:56
  that
• 23:56
  kids
• 23:56
  Screen
• 23:56
  did,
• 23:57
  too
• 23:57
  little
• 23:57
  too
• 23:57
  late.
• 23:58
  There's
• 23:58
  this
• 23:58
  great,
• 23:59
  there's
• 24:00
  this
• 24:00
  great
• 24:00
  compression
• 24:01
  into
• 24:01
  the
• 24:01
  middle
• 24:02
  of
• 24:02
  expertise,
• 24:02
  you
• 24:03
  know,
• 24:03
  where
• 24:03
  there's
• 24:03
  a
• 24:03
  lot
• 24:03
  of,
• 24:04
  you
• 24:05
  know,
• 24:05
  senior
• 24:06
  executives
• 24:06
  trying
• 24:07
  to
• 24:07
  figure
• 24:07
  out
• 24:07
  how
• 24:07
  social
• 24:08
  media
• 24:08
  works
• 24:08
  and
• 24:08
  a
• 24:08
  lot
• 24:09
  of,
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  know,
• 24:09
  people
• 24:10
  up
• 24:10
  and
• 24:10
  coming
• 24:10
  going,
• 24:11
  oh,
• 24:11
  how
• 24:11
  does
• 24:11
  the
• 24:12
  traditional
• 24:12
  broadcast
• 24:13
  work?
• 24:14
  So
• 24:14
  I
• 24:14
  feel
• 24:14
  like
• 24:15
  this
• 24:16
  conversation
• 24:17
  is
• 24:17
  going
• 24:17
  to
• 24:17
  get
• 24:17
  better
• 24:17
  and
• 24:18
  better
• 24:18
  every
• 24:18
  year
• 24:19
  and
• 24:19
  I
• 24:20
  hope
• 24:20
  that
• 24:20
  Annecy
• 24:21
  lets
• 24:21
  us
• 24:21
  mix
• 24:22
  more
• 24:22
  because
• 24:23
  what
• 24:23
  I
• 24:23
  don't
• 24:23
  like
• 24:23
  is
• 24:24
  that
• 24:24
  Mipha
• 24:25
  and
• 24:25
  the
• 24:25
  imperial
• 24:26
  past
• 24:26
  is
• 24:26
  like
• 24:26
  this,
• 24:27
  like,
• 24:27
  you
• 24:28
  know,
• 24:29
  this,
• 24:30
  this
• 24:30
  class
• 24:30
  system.
• 24:31
  Yes.
• 24:32
  Where
• 24:32
  like
• 24:32
  all
• 24:32
  the
• 24:33
  rich
• 24:33
  and
• 24:34
  powerful
• 24:34
  people
• 24:34
  are
• 24:35
  here
• 24:35
  and
• 24:35
  the
• 24:36
  real
• 24:36
  energy
• 24:36
  is
• 24:37
  in
• 24:37
  the
• 24:37
  street
• 24:38
  of
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  banlieue
• 24:39
  where
• 24:39
  there
• 24:39
  are
• 24:39
  thousands
• 24:40
  and
• 24:40
  thousands
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  people
• 24:41
  lining
• 24:41
  up
• 24:41
  and
• 24:41
  I'm
• 24:42
  like,
• 24:42
  guys,
• 24:42
  we're
• 24:42
  missing.
• 24:43
  The
• 24:43
  audience
• 24:43
  is
• 24:44
  right
• 24:44
  there.
• 24:45
  Yeah.
• 24:45
  And
• 24:46
  there's
• 24:46
  no
• 24:46
  excuse
• 24:47
  not
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  be
• 24:47
  there
• 24:47
  in
• 24:48
  the
• 24:48
  middle
• 24:48
  of
• 24:48
  it.
• 24:49
  That's
• 24:49
  right.
• 24:49
  Right.
• 24:50
  So
• 24:50
  I
• 24:50
  found
• 24:50
  myself
• 24:51
  going,
• 24:51
  yes,
• 24:51
  I
• 24:51
  did
• 24:51
  have
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  do
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  eight,
• 24:53
  10
• 24:53
  meetings
• 24:53
  every
• 24:53
  day,
• 24:54
  you
• 24:54
  know,
• 24:55
  at,
• 24:55
  at
• 24:55
  the
• 24:56
  Imperial,
• 24:56
  but
• 24:56
  every
• 24:56
  time
• 24:57
  I
• 24:57
  got
• 24:57
  to
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  Banliyo
• 24:58
  and
• 24:58
  I,
• 24:58
  like,
• 24:58
  met
• 24:58
  a
• 24:59
  student,
• 24:59
  you
• 24:59
  know,
• 24:59
  I
• 24:59
  was
• 24:59
  delivering
• 25:00
  flow
• 25:00
  blankets
• 25:01
  to
• 25:02
  like,
• 25:02
  you
• 25:02
  know,
• 25:02
  people
• 25:02
  in
• 25:03
  front
• 25:03
  of
• 25:03
  it
• 25:03
  and
• 25:04
  just
• 25:04
  talking
• 25:04
  to
• 25:05
  them
• 25:05
  and
• 25:05
  like
• 25:05
  opening
• 25:06
  up
• 25:06
  their
• 25:06
  Instagram.
• 25:06
  Instagram
• 25:07
  accounts
• 25:07
  and
• 25:07
  seeing
• 25:08
  them
• 25:08
  follow
• 25:08
  me
• 25:08
  and
• 25:09
  then
• 25:09
  looking
• 25:09
  at
• 25:09
  them,
• 25:10
  I'm
• 25:10
  like,
• 25:10
  oh
• 25:10
  my
• 25:10
  God,
• 25:11
  there's
• 25:11
  so
• 25:11
  much
• 25:11
  talent
• 25:12
  here.
• 25:12
  Yes.
• 25:13
  Yeah,
• 25:13
  yeah,
• 25:14
  yeah.
• 25:14
  And
• 25:15
  the,
• 25:16
  the
• 25:16
  grownups
• 25:17
  are
• 25:17
  missing
• 25:17
  it.
• 25:18
  They're
• 25:18
  missing
• 25:19
  it,
• 25:19
  they're
• 25:19
  missing
• 25:20
  it.
• 25:20
  Yeah,
• 25:21
  yeah.
• 25:22
  So
• 25:22
  I
• 25:22
  feel
• 25:23
  like
• 25:23
  there's
• 25:23
  something
• 25:24
  in
• 25:24
  the
• 25:24
  middle.
• 25:25
  I
• 25:25
  mean,
• 25:26
  it
• 25:26
  was
• 25:26
  so
• 25:26
  horribly
• 25:27
  hot,
• 25:27
  as
• 25:27
  everyone's
• 25:28
  going
• 25:28
  to
• 25:28
  tell
• 25:28
  you
• 25:29
  every
• 25:29
  minute
• 25:30
  of
• 25:30
  their
• 25:30
  post,
• 25:31
  but
• 25:31
  if
• 25:32
  they
• 25:32
  can
• 25:32
  find
• 25:32
  a
• 25:32
  way
• 25:33
  to
• 25:33
  make
• 25:33
  the
• 25:34
  infrastructure
• 25:35
  more
• 25:35
  palpable
• 25:36
  without
• 25:37
  destroying
• 25:37
  the
• 25:38
  town,
• 25:39
  I
• 25:39
  mean,
• 25:40
  that's
• 25:40
  going
• 25:40
  to
• 25:41
  be
• 25:41
  the
• 25:41
  question.
• 25:41
  Right?
• 25:42
  Yeah.
• 25:44
  We
• 25:44
  spoke
• 25:45
  about
• 25:45
  it
• 25:45
  on
• 25:45
  a
• 25:46
  recent
• 25:46
  podcast
• 25:47
  how
• 25:48
  that
• 25:48
  gap
• 25:49
  is
• 25:50
  something
• 25:50
  that
• 25:50
  we
• 25:51
  really
• 25:51
  have
• 25:51
  to
• 25:51
  make
• 25:51
  concerted
• 25:52
  effort
• 25:52
  to
• 25:53
  close
• 25:53
  because
• 25:54
  creators
• 25:55
  and
• 25:55
  students
• 25:55
  and
• 25:56
  young
• 25:56
  people,
• 25:57
  they've
• 25:57
  got
• 25:57
  so
• 25:58
  much
• 25:58
  knowledge
• 25:59
  that
• 25:59
  we
• 25:59
  need
• 25:59
  to
• 26:00
  learn
• 26:00
  and
• 26:00
  similarly,
• 26:00
  we've
• 26:01
  got
• 26:01
  tons
• 26:02
  that
• 26:02
  we
• 26:02
  need
• 26:02
  to
• 26:02
  pass
• 26:03
  over
• 26:03
  to
• 26:03
  them.
• 26:03
  The
• 26:03
  thing
• 26:04
  is,
• 26:05
  they're
• 26:05
  going
• 26:05
  to
• 26:05
  move
• 26:05
  towards
• 26:06
  us
• 26:06
  much
• 26:06
  quicker
• 26:07
  than
• 26:07
  currently
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  established
• 26:09
  kind
• 26:09
  of
• 26:10
  studio
• 26:10
  system
• 26:10
  and
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  old
• 26:12
  traditional
• 26:12
  media
• 26:13
  system
• 26:13
  is
• 26:14
  moving
• 26:14
  towards,
• 26:15
  back
• 26:15
  towards
• 26:15
  them.
• 26:16
  So
• 26:16
  we
• 26:16
  need
• 26:16
  to
• 26:17
  just
• 26:17
  come
• 26:17
  together
• 26:17
  a
• 26:17
  lot
• 26:18
  quicker.
• 26:19
  I'm
• 26:19
  hoping
• 26:20
  that
• 26:20
  Annecy
• 26:21
  and
• 26:22
  I'll
• 26:22
  manifest
• 26:23
  this
• 26:23
  out
• 26:23
  into
• 26:23
  the
• 26:24
  world.
• 26:24
  Annecy
• 26:25
  needs
• 26:25
  to
• 26:25
  speak
• 26:25
  to
• 26:25
  more
• 26:25
  producers
• 26:26
  who
• 26:26
  understand
• 26:26
  location
• 26:27
  based
• 26:27
  entertainment
• 26:29
  because
• 26:29
  what
• 26:29
  they've
• 26:30
  done
• 26:30
  is
• 26:30
  they've
• 26:30
  treated
• 26:30
  it
• 26:31
  like
• 26:31
  a
• 26:31
  film
• 26:31
  festival
• 26:32
  that's
• 26:32
  small
• 26:33
  and
• 26:33
  a
• 26:33
  MIFA
• 26:34
  market
• 26:34
  that
• 26:34
  is
• 26:34
  the
• 26:35
  model
• 26:35
  of
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  last
• 26:36
  30
• 26:36
  years.
• 26:38
  But
• 26:38
  they're
• 26:38
  not
• 26:39
  capitalizing
• 26:41
  on
• 26:41
  the
• 26:41
  event
• 26:42
  as
• 26:42
  location
• 26:42
  based
• 26:43
  entertainment.
• 26:44
  You
• 26:44
  know,
• 26:45
  they
• 26:45
  have
• 26:45
  the
• 26:46
  screening,
• 26:46
  which
• 26:46
  is
• 26:47
  great.
• 26:47
  You
• 26:47
  know,
• 26:48
  they
• 26:48
  have
• 26:49
  the
• 26:49
  outdoor,
• 26:50
  the
• 26:50
  grand
• 26:51
  ecran,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:52
  know,
• 26:52
  the
• 26:52
  big
• 26:52
  outdoor
• 26:52
  theater.
• 26:53
  So
• 26:53
  they
• 26:53
  have
• 26:53
  a
• 26:54
  couple
• 26:54
  of
• 26:54
  these
• 26:54
  big
• 26:54
  things,
• 26:55
  but
• 26:55
  I
• 26:55
  feel
• 26:55
  like
• 26:55
  if
• 26:56
  they
• 26:56
  could
• 26:56
  just
• 26:56
  dial
• 26:56
  up
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  experience,
• 26:59
  I
• 26:59
  think
• 26:59
  they
• 26:59
  could
• 27:00
  really
• 27:01
  mesh
• 27:01
  those
• 27:02
  two
• 27:02
  together,
• 27:02
  you
• 27:03
  know?
• 27:03
  Yeah,.
• 27:05
  Yeah.
• 27:06
  You
• 27:06
  hear
• 27:06
  that,
• 27:06
  Annecy?
• 27:07
  You
• 27:07
  need
• 27:07
  a
• 27:07
  producer
• 27:08
  who
• 27:08
  understands
• 27:09
  location
• 27:09
  based
• 27:10
  entertainment.
• 27:12
  Pitch,
• 27:12
  pitch,
• 27:12
  pitch.
• 27:13
  There
• 27:13
  we
• 27:13
  go.
• 27:13
  Always
• 27:14
  be
• 27:14
  selling.
• 27:14
  Yeah,.
• 27:17
  Great.
• 27:18
  I
• 27:18
  feel,
• 27:19
  I
• 27:19
  feel
• 27:19
  like
• 27:19
  my
• 27:20
  FOMO
• 27:20
  has
• 27:20
  been
• 27:20
  assuaged
• 27:21
  a
• 27:21
  little
• 27:21
  bit,
• 27:21
  Emily,
• 27:22
  but
• 27:22
  I
• 27:22
  definitely
• 27:23
  think
• 27:23
  we
• 27:23
  need
• 27:23
  to
• 27:24
  book
• 27:24
  our
• 27:24
  tickets
• 27:24
  for
• 27:24
  next
• 27:25
  year,
• 27:25
  like
• 27:26
  worse.
• 27:26
  And
• 27:26
  it's
• 27:27
  not
• 27:27
  Always
• 27:27
  even
• 27:28
  happening
• 27:28
  anymore.
• 27:29
  Yes.
• 27:30
  See,
• 27:30
  see
• 27:30
  you
• 27:31
  there.
• 27:31
  2027.
• 27:31
  Okay,
• 27:32
  deal.
• 27:32
  Definitely.
• 27:33
  Yeah,
• 27:33
  for
• 27:33
  sure,
• 27:34
  for
• 27:34
  sure,
• 27:34
  for
• 27:35
  sure.
• 27:35
  Awesome.
• 27:35
  Fabulous.
• 27:36
  Yeah.
• 27:36
  Well,
• 27:37
  great
• 27:37
  to
• 27:37
  speak
• 27:37
  with
• 27:37
  you,
• 27:38
  Aroake.
• 27:41
  Yeah,
• 27:42
  sorry,
• 27:43
  your
• 27:43
  name's
• 27:43
  about
• 27:44
  your
• 27:44
  spelling.
• 27:45
  I'll
• 27:46
  take
• 27:46
  Eroik.
• 27:46
  I
• 27:47
  kind
• 27:47
  of
• 27:47
  like
• 27:47
  Eroik.
• 27:48
  It's
• 27:49
  a
• 27:49
  not
• 27:49
  very
• 27:49
  interesting
• 27:50
  name,
• 27:50
  so
• 27:50
  I
• 27:50
  appreciate
• 27:50
  it.
• 27:51
  Like.
• 27:52
  No,
• 27:52
  really
• 27:52
  good
• 27:52
  to
• 27:53
  speak
• 27:53
  to
• 27:53
  you.
• 27:53
  Always
• 27:54
  a
• 27:54
  pleasure.
• 27:55
  And
• 27:55
  do
• 27:55
  we
• 27:55
  get
• 27:55
  friends
• 27:56
  and
• 27:56
  family
• 27:56
  discount
• 27:57
  on
• 27:57
  the
• 27:57
  flow
• 27:57
  throws?
• 27:58
  That's
• 27:58
  what
• 27:58
  I
• 27:58
  want
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  know.
• 27:59
  Oh,
• 27:59
  that's
• 27:59
  right.
• 28:00
  You
• 28:00
  know,
• 28:00
  if
• 28:00
  I
• 28:00
  do
• 28:00
  my
• 28:00
  final
• 28:01
  plug,
• 28:01
  I
• 28:01
  went
• 28:02
  straight
• 28:02
  from
• 28:02
  Annecy,
• 28:03
  I
• 28:03
  dropped
• 28:04
  home
• 28:04
  for
• 28:04
  24
• 28:05
  hours
• 28:05
  and
• 28:05
  I'm
• 28:05
  here
• 28:05
  in
• 28:06
  St.
• 28:06
  Louis,
• 28:06
  Missouri
• 28:07
  selling
• 28:08
  my
• 28:08
  blankets,
• 28:08
  the
• 28:09
  flow
• 28:09
  throw
• 28:09
  and
• 28:10
  the
• 28:10
  recently
• 28:10
  announced
• 28:11
  lovey,
• 28:11
  which
• 28:12
  is
• 28:12
  the
• 28:12
  smaller
• 28:13
  fleece
• 28:14
  and
• 28:14
  the
• 28:15
  step
• 28:16
  which
• 28:16
  is
• 28:16
  kind
• 28:16
  of
• 28:16
  like
• 28:17
  a
• 28:17
  bath
• 28:17
  mat.
• 28:17
  My
• 28:18
  pun
• 28:18
  is
• 28:18
  every
• 28:19
  great
• 28:19
  journey
• 28:19
  begins
• 28:20
  with
• 28:20
  one.
• 28:21
  And
• 28:21
  you
• 28:21
  know,
• 28:21
  flow
• 28:21
  is
• 28:22
  really
• 28:22
  a
• 28:22
  journey
• 28:22
  of
• 28:22
  a
• 28:22
  movie.
• 28:23
  So
• 28:24
  yeah,
• 28:24
  I
• 28:24
  went
• 28:24
  straight
• 28:24
  from
• 28:24
  Annecy
• 28:25
  to,
• 28:26
  you
• 28:26
  know,
• 28:26
  selling
• 28:27
  licensed
• 28:27
  merchandise
• 28:28
  at
• 28:28
  a
• 28:28
  live
• 28:29
  orchestra
• 28:29
  screening
• 28:30
  of
• 28:30
  the
• 28:31
  Oscar
• 28:31
  award
• 28:31
  winning
• 28:32
  movie
• 28:32
  Flow.
• 28:33
  So
• 28:33
  yeah,
• 28:34
  yeah,
• 28:34
  we'll
• 28:34
  get,
• 28:34
  we'll
• 28:34
  definitely
• 28:35
  give
• 28:35
  you
• 28:35
  the,
• 28:35
  the
• 28:35
  friends
• 28:35
  a
• 28:36
  discount
• 28:36
  on
• 28:36
  all,
• 28:36
  all
• 28:37
  products.
• 28:37
  Good,
• 28:38
  good,
• 28:38
  good.
• 28:38
  You
• 28:38
  gotta
• 28:38
  get
• 28:38
  the
• 28:39
  bundle.
• 28:39
  Yeah,
• 28:40
  there
• 28:40
  you
• 28:40
  go,
• 28:40
  the
• 28:40
  bundle.
• 28:40
  Oh,
• 28:40
  the
• 28:41
  bundle.
• 28:41
  Emily,
• 28:42
  you're
• 28:42
  genius.
• 28:42
  I
• 28:43
  should
• 28:43
  have
• 28:43
  done
• 28:43
  a
• 28:43
  bundle,
• 28:44
  obviously.
• 28:45
  Did
• 28:45
  you
• 28:45
  get
• 28:46
  a
• 28:46
  bond,
• 28:46
  Eric?
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  know
• 28:47
  that's
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  other
• 28:48
  one
• 28:49
  business.
• 28:49
  Advice
• 28:50
  will
• 28:50
  be
• 28:50
  after,
• 28:51
  after
• 28:51
  the
• 28:51
  episode.
• 28:52
  Consulting.
• 28:54
  Yeah,
• 28:54
  I'm
• 28:55
  gonna
• 28:55
  consult,
• 28:55
  get
• 28:55
  a
• 28:56
  consultation
• 28:56
  from
• 28:56
  you
• 28:56
  guys.
• 28:57
  Fabulous.
• 28:59
  That
• 28:59
  was
• 28:59
  great.
• 28:59
  Well,
• 28:59
  thanks
• 28:59
  very
• 29:00
  much
• 29:00
  for
• 29:00
  that,
• 29:00
  Eric.
• 29:01
  We've
• 29:01
  really
• 29:02
  enjoyed
• 29:02
  this
• 29:03
  first
• 29:03
  collaboration.
• 29:04
  Well,
• 29:04
  this
• 29:04
  is
• 29:04
  our
• 29:05
  second
• 29:05
  kids
• 29:05
  meeting,
• 29:06
  our
• 29:06
  second
• 29:06
  collaboration
• 29:07
  and
• 29:07
  surviving
• 29:07
  animation
• 29:08
  collaboration.
• 29:09
  Hope
• 29:09
  you
• 29:10
  guys
• 29:10
  at
• 29:10
  home
• 29:10
  have
• 29:11
  enjoyed
• 29:11
  it
• 29:11
  and
• 29:12
  we'll
• 29:12
  kind
• 29:12
  of
• 29:12
  catch
• 29:13
  you
• 29:13
  again
• 29:14
  next
• 29:14
  week.