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The Death of Anna Kepner · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
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Speaker 1: I will be your host Emily Simpson with We wanted
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Speaker 1: to do a bonus episode this week because if you
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Speaker 1: have been on social media or looking at the news
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Speaker 1: at all, I am sure you have seen this new
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Speaker 1: developing case of a young high school girl named Anna
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Speaker 1: Keepner who was just found a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: She was found dead on the Carnival cruise ship Horizon. Now,
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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that we did the Amy Bradley case,
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Speaker 1: which was the disappearance off of a cruise ship. I
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Speaker 1: just want to cruise this summer with the boys, and
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Speaker 1: now we have another cruise ship incident. So I'm feeling
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Speaker 1: at this point maybe it's best to stay far away,
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Speaker 1: to stay on land at this point. So, Anna Keepner
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Speaker 1: was an eighteen year old high school senior from Titusville, Florida.
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Speaker 1: According to her family, Anna was a varsity cheerleader.
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Speaker 2: She was also a.
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Speaker 1: Gymnast, and she had recently completed the entrance test to
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Speaker 1: join the US military. Now, I have a question what
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Speaker 1: your thoughts are on this, because I was noticing that
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Speaker 1: whenever something happens to a young pretty girl, who is
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Speaker 1: a cheerleader. That is always part of the newsreel cheerleader,
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Speaker 1: and it's always part of the clickbait cheerleader, young cheerleader.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't ever say I mean technician. No, there's never
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Speaker 1: like case. Yes, I mean not in the headlines though,
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Speaker 1: But I'm saying whenever a girl is.
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Speaker 3: A cheerleadering, it describes a personality, I think, albeit stereotypical.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying, because of the bubbly, attractive, athletic.
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Speaker 3: Popular here Catholic Rob's bank, you'll hear Mormon Rob's bank.
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Speaker 2: That is very true.
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Speaker 1: You will always Mormon, will always be Mormon, will always
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Speaker 1: be in the title of something because it's clickbait, and
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Speaker 1: cheerleader will be in the title of something because it's
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Speaker 1: clickbait as well. You'll never see band member, you know,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing about people in the band, but always the cheerleader.
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Speaker 2: Okay. So Anna was on a sixth dade.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you mean like trumpet player.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's never, but if someone's a cheerleader, it's
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Speaker 1: always part of the title. So Anna was on a
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Speaker 1: six day Carnival Horizon cruise with her father, stepmother, and
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Speaker 1: three step siblings when she died. That actually hasn't been confirmed.
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Speaker 1: But that's basically what people are taking away from it
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Speaker 1: is that she was there with her dad, her biological dad. Also,
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Speaker 1: I've read in some articles and there's some controversy as
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Speaker 1: to whether the dad is actually married to the stepmother.
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Speaker 1: And if they are married, it's a very new marriage.
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Speaker 3: They might have to be married in order to be
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Speaker 3: a stepmother. Otherwise it's his girlfriend. So if they are married,
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Speaker 3: they're incorrectly referring to her as stepmother.
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Speaker 2: I think it's because.
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Speaker 1: Nothing has been confirmed, so people are saying stepmom, but
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Speaker 1: a lot of times I.
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Speaker 3: Mean, well, I actually I think I can clarify this
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Speaker 3: because I thought I read that this step mother was
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Speaker 3: currently in a divorce proceeding, and I assume that's with
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Speaker 3: her former husband or prior husband, not with the one
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Speaker 3: she was on the boat.
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Speaker 2: She's it's a custody issue. It's astody issue.
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Speaker 3: I saw divorce preceding slash child custody.
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Speaker 1: There might still be some pending divorce issues, and that
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Speaker 1: might be why maybe they're not married. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it a little bit later.
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Speaker 3: Well, I guess for a purposes of artist guession, it
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Speaker 3: doesn't really matter if they're married or not.
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Speaker 1: Right, No, but I guess either they're married and she's
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Speaker 1: a stepmother or they've been dating and she's a pseudo
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Speaker 1: stepmother type. So anyway, that's who we think that this
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Speaker 1: that they were on the cruise with. But we're saying,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's other members of the family.
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Speaker 1: It hasn't been like officially confirmed by investigators who all
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Speaker 1: was on the cruise, but from rumblings in articles and
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Speaker 1: on social media from those news sources out there, boots
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Speaker 1: on the ground, the boots on the ground are saying
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Speaker 1: that it was the dad and then Anna, and then
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Speaker 1: his love interests, either his new wife or his girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: and then her children. So the cruise began on November
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Speaker 1: second and traveled from Miami to the Caribbean on the
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Speaker 1: morning of November seventh. Let's go back to November sixth.
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Speaker 1: I did read that on the evening of November sixth,
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Speaker 1: this is as the cruise ship is heading into port,
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Speaker 1: so I believe it's leaving Mexico or the Caribbean.
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Speaker 2: At this time.
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Speaker 1: There was a dinner on the ship. You know how
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Speaker 1: they have those white parties on the ship. You know,
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Speaker 1: the cruise ships always have.
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Speaker 2: Themes on in the evening times.
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Speaker 1: Right, there was a white party and there was a dinner,
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Speaker 1: and from what I understand, people are reporting that Anna
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Speaker 1: left the dinner early because she was saying she did
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Speaker 1: not feel well. Now as to where she went after that,
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Speaker 1: clearly and the FBI is investigating this.
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Speaker 3: So did she As far as we know, she left alone. Like,
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Speaker 3: I'm not feeling why she walked.
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Speaker 1: Away, I don't know, but I that's just an assumption
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Speaker 1: that maybe she left alone. But I have read multiple
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Speaker 1: sources that said that she was not feeling well at
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Speaker 1: that dinner and that she left. Now here's the question
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Speaker 1: as well. I don't know the arrangement of the rooms
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Speaker 1: on the crew. I don't know if she had a
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Speaker 1: room alone. I don't know if she was sharing with
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Speaker 1: some siblings. I don't know if this family had a
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Speaker 1: big suite and they were all in the same room.
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Speaker 3: Oh, we don't know a lot of things about this case.
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Speaker 1: We don't kind of stucky about it, right, But we're
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Speaker 1: just going to talk about what we and.
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Speaker 3: What we don't know, what we kind of know.
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Speaker 1: So on the morning of November seventh, I remember she
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Speaker 1: left the dinner. On November sixth, she was found dead
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Speaker 1: in her cabin by a housekeeper. Her body was wrapped
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Speaker 1: in a blanket or a sheet and covered with life
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Speaker 1: jackets and stuffed under a bed. First, of all those beds,
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Speaker 1: those beds in a cruise ship. I've been on multiple cruises.
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Speaker 1: There's not room under the bed.
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Speaker 3: Like like a hotel room. Right, there's no there. There's
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Speaker 3: very lazy goes all the way to the floor. There's
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Speaker 3: like a baseboard around it is that we can't put
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Speaker 3: stuff under there, like a body with life vests on
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Speaker 3: top of it.
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Speaker 2: Right, So I'm thinking there's.
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Speaker 3: A couch that maybe opened up, or maybe that.
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Speaker 1: Was it, because when the boys and I went, we
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Speaker 1: did have like a fold out bed Luke slept on,
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Speaker 1: so maybe it was something like that.
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Speaker 3: That's what I pictured.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So also her body was found around eleven am by
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Speaker 1: a maid because everyone on this ship was looking for
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Speaker 1: Anna at this time period. So the way I understand
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Speaker 1: it is she left in her early because she wasn't
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Speaker 1: feeling well. The next morning, all the family wakes up
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Speaker 1: and they all go to breakfast and they realize that
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Speaker 1: Anna is there.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they shared a room or not.
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Speaker 3: We just know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how the rooms were tivvied up. I
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Speaker 2: don't know the arrangement.
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Speaker 1: They go to breakfast the next morning, and that's when
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Speaker 1: everyone's kind of realizing that she's not showing up for
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Speaker 1: breakfast and they don't know where she is. Also, there
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Speaker 1: are nearly four thousand people on this ship and fifteen
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Speaker 1: hundred crew, so this is a mini city that's floating around.
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Speaker 1: So can you imagine if you lose someone on the ship,
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Speaker 1: Like we talked about with the Amy Bradley case, it
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Speaker 1: is a lot of ground decks spaces to cover to
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Speaker 1: find someone.
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Speaker 3: Well, in this case, with the so far the way
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Speaker 3: you've laid out the timeline, which I know we don't
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Speaker 3: have all the details, if you show up at breakfast
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Speaker 3: and your eighteen year old daughter isn't there, how would
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Speaker 3: you first look for her?
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Speaker 1: Why would immediately start calling, texting and go directly to
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Speaker 1: her room?
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Speaker 3: So my question is did they do any of that?
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Speaker 2: I don't know?
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: My other question is, and I'll ask you, because you
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Speaker 1: have children of every age group, you have older daughters
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Speaker 1: and then the three we have together. Let's say Shelby
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Speaker 1: left dinner early on a cruise and went to her room.
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Speaker 1: Would you not check on her that even before she
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Speaker 1: has twenty four?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I would. I would follow up that evening, how
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Speaker 3: are you doing? Right? And the siblings would right naturally
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Speaker 3: run into her or you know, chat with her or something.
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Speaker 3: There'd be some interaction, right.
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Speaker 1: So my question is, and we don't know this, was
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Speaker 1: anyone checking in on her? Were they texting? Did they
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Speaker 1: go by her room? I mean, if she left it
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Speaker 1: or not feeling well? What happened after that? So obviously
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Speaker 1: we don't know any of this. You know, right now
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Speaker 1: the FBI is investigating this because this happened in international waters,
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Speaker 1: so there's federal jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: So this is why the FBI is involved.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure right now at this point, they're pulling every
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Speaker 1: bit of surveillance video that they can find on the
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Speaker 1: ship that she's in. Oh yeah, be camera in every
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Speaker 1: corner in that boat, right, And they're also doing everything
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Speaker 1: possible to pull all the key card and text message
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Speaker 1: and text messages and very digitalt all the digital footprint exactly,
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Speaker 1: and they're piecing that all together to probably put together
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Speaker 1: a very detailed timeline of exactly where she was, where
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Speaker 1: she went, who was with her?
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Speaker 3: How long ago? Remind me of the Bradley case that.
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Speaker 1: Was in ninety or Eightye okay, So, see technology has
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Speaker 1: significantly crazed.
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Speaker 3: There's gonna be cameras on every corner, high quality, right,
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Speaker 3: documentary text messages, phone calls.
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Speaker 2: Right, and I like take care cards. Yeah, it's very easy.
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Speaker 2: I'm just guessing.
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Speaker 1: I'm not like a video expert, but I assume that
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Speaker 1: you can probably upload an image of her into some
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Speaker 1: type of software where it can specifically look for her face,
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Speaker 1: like facial recognition. So I'm sure that's what's going on
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Speaker 1: right now. Why did you just look at me like
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Speaker 1: I was an idiot when I said that.
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Speaker 3: That good facial recognition? Yeah? Right, it was impressive.
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Speaker 2: Oh thank you? Are you just blown away right now
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Speaker 2: that I said?
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Speaker 3: That's not blown away? But it's interesting that you've noticed
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Speaker 3: that also.
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Speaker 1: So the Miami Dade County Medical Examiner lists her time
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Speaker 1: of death as eleven seventeen am on November seventh. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've read this over and over in the articles, and
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Speaker 1: I was so confused by this because the timeline is
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Speaker 1: November six. She leaves dinner November seventh, she's not at breakfast.
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Speaker 1: November seventh, at eleven am, the maid finds her, and
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Speaker 1: then at eleven seventeen am it says it's her time
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Speaker 1: of death. I don't think that's accurate. I think that's
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Speaker 1: the time that she was examined by someone on board,
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Speaker 1: a medical examiner or someone and declared her dead at
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Speaker 1: eleven seventeen am.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that how it always works? So what do you
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Speaker 3: mean I'm.
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Speaker 2: Saying that's not the time of death.
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, no, that was a time declared dead.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because there's a lot of articles that are
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Speaker 1: that are reporting that her time of death was eleven
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Speaker 1: seventeen am.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that does not make any sense.
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Speaker 1: She was found dead at a dead at eleven am,
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Speaker 1: she was declared dead at eleven seventeen. That's not the
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Speaker 1: actual time of death. That's just when someone.
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing your point is we may never know the
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Speaker 3: actual time of death because now the bodies is thrown
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Speaker 3: in a morgue and if it's preserved, I don't know
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Speaker 3: if they can still determine the time of death. Right.
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Speaker 1: You know, that is another thing to talk about. You're
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Speaker 1: talking about a cruise ship, which is a moving city. Now,
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Speaker 1: if someone dies in a house under suspicious circumstances, you
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Speaker 1: leave the body where it is and.
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Speaker 2: Then you call police.
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Speaker 1: CUSI yes, that's what you do when you find dead bodies, right,
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Speaker 1: I don't touch them, right, you don't touch it, and
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Speaker 1: then the crime scene investigators come.
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Speaker 2: They don't move the body. They take this.
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Speaker 3: Photo usual circumstances.
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Speaker 1: This is an unusual circumstance. So her body was clearly
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Speaker 1: moved as soon as it was found, because.
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Speaker 3: I don't know was it. I believe so sometime after
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Speaker 3: it was found.
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Speaker 1: Right, because first of all, you're on a ship. You
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Speaker 1: can't leave it in the room because you're sailing through
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Speaker 1: the Caribbean.
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Speaker 3: It's one hundred degrees obviously. But I don't know the procedure,
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Speaker 3: but I guess the procedure would be in lieu of
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Speaker 3: keeping it secured the way it is preserved, you know,
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Speaker 3: mounts a ton of photos, preserving the evidence, putting them
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Speaker 3: in bags, labeling where it was found, so you don't
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Speaker 3: lose the chain of custody. I don't know what they did, though, but.
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Speaker 2: I doubt any of that it was done because.
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Speaker 1: You don't you don't have the may probably finish clean
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Speaker 1: the maid probably called someone and you know, and then
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner. There's always the doctor on the ship, right,
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Speaker 1: So then the doctor probably came and declared her dead.
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Speaker 1: And then I'm sure I didn't know this, but they're
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Speaker 1: all cruise ships have some kind of morgue on them
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Speaker 1: because people die on cruise ships. So you have to
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Speaker 1: have somewhere to preserve the body in a cold space
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Speaker 1: before you get to your next port.
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Speaker 3: That's right downstairs, next to the galley.
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Speaker 2: Usually what's the galley?
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Speaker 3: Isn't that where they cook?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. There's lots of decks. There's lots of
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Speaker 2: going on.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Anyway, we were talking about when you're when the
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Speaker 1: body's on a cruise ship, you don't have a normal
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Speaker 1: investigation like you would if someone died in a house, right,
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Speaker 1: because you're it's a city moving on the water of investigation.
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Speaker 1: They the bodies and way you know, they're floating in water.
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Speaker 1: It's going through the Caribbean. It's one hundred degrees out,
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Speaker 1: there's humidity. So I'm sure I don't know this, but
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Speaker 1: I would suspect that they immediately moved the body to
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Speaker 1: the morgue of the ship.
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Speaker 3: Right. We can only hope that they preserved by video
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Speaker 3: or photo photography or something and documenting everything, right, and then.
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Speaker 2: So that was on November seventh.
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Speaker 1: Then November eighth is when the cruise ship docked back
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Speaker 1: into its port in Miami, and there I actually saw
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Speaker 1: some video of the body being removed from the ship
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Speaker 1: and put into the medical examiner's van. All right, so
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Speaker 1: let's talk about there is a possible suspect out there
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Speaker 1: as of right now, so criminal charges may be filed
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Speaker 1: against one of Anna's step siblings who is a minor.
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Speaker 2: This actually came up onto.
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Speaker 1: The radar because the FBI has not said anything and
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Speaker 1: has not released any information.
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Speaker 2: Also, the dad yes, because.
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Speaker 3: If they don't release information and they're not talking about it,
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Speaker 3: that means they know something and they're looking to do it.
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Speaker 2: They don't wan want it out there.
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Speaker 3: They want to Yeah, they don't want to spoil it
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Speaker 3: or cause someone flee.
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Speaker 1: Also, the father, Chris Kepner, has said that he does
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Speaker 1: not know anything and he has very little information and
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Speaker 1: that they're just basically waiting to hear things. But in
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Speaker 1: an emergency motion filed on Monday, November seventeenth, and Brevard County, Florida,
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Speaker 1: Kepner's stepmom, her name is Sean Tell Hudson, requested to
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Speaker 1: delay divorce proceedings from her ex husband because of quote
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Speaker 1: an extremely sensitive and severe circumstance and cited quote the respondent.
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Speaker 1: She's the respondent, he's the petition, which means her ex
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Speaker 1: is the one that is filing. He's the moving party,
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Speaker 1: so she's responding. There are discussions with FBI investigators and
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Speaker 1: her attorneys that a criminal case may be initiated against.
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Speaker 2: One of her minor children.
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Speaker 1: So the court filing identifies the teenager with the initials T,
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Speaker 1: and according to documents, he is living with a relative
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Speaker 1: in the meantime to protect the safety of his younger
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Speaker 1: sister and his other siblings.
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Speaker 2: I read that he's sixteen.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's accurate because they haven't really
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Speaker 1: sed any information, but of course there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: online sluice out there. I'm sure there's some family that
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Speaker 1: is talking. I also read his name is Tim. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if that's true either, but it does say
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Speaker 1: his initials are THH and that he's sixteen. Now the
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Speaker 1: question is was he sharing a room with her? Did
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Speaker 1: he go back with her? Because I did also read
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Speaker 1: and this was from a post by someone that claims
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Speaker 1: to be part of their family. His name's Martin Donnahue.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's kind of talking about this. Martin Donahue made a
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Speaker 1: post on Twitter, I believe, talking about the incident and
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Speaker 1: saying that Anna was murdered by one of her step
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Speaker 1: siblings and that after he beat her and wrapped her
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Speaker 1: in blankets and put her under the bed and then
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Speaker 1: covered her with all the life jackets and everything, that
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Speaker 1: then he slept on the bed that night and stayed
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Speaker 1: the night.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is all speculator.
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Speaker 1: We don't really know this, No, we don't, but I'm
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Speaker 1: just talking about what he has posted. And then it
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Speaker 1: has been I know there were some other people that
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Speaker 1: did some investigating. Apparently the name Donahue is part of
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Speaker 1: the family. There's a lot of Donahues that follow her
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Speaker 1: on social media and things like that.
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Speaker 3: So did he hire the Murdog firm to represent.
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Speaker 2: Him, No, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, after he made this post, he did take it down,
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Speaker 1: So a lot of people are talking about the validity
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Speaker 1: of it, whether he's actually part of the family. He
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Speaker 1: did seem to know a lot of details about the incident,
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Speaker 1: so you know, here's the thing too, Sean tell is
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Speaker 1: the stepmom if it was her son that committed this
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Speaker 1: act against Anna, and then she's married to Anna's father.
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Speaker 2: I mean talk about I.
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Speaker 1: Mean, how do you stay I mean, how do you
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Speaker 1: continue to stay married to someone?
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Speaker 2: I mean talk about just a.
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Speaker 1: Horrible familial situation going on. So the post I was
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Speaker 1: talking about by Martin Donahue has since been deleted. While
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Speaker 1: no charges have been filed publicly, the motion explicitly states
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Speaker 1: that the possibility of charges against a minor sibling are pending.
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Speaker 1: So that's why everyone is now knowing that this sibling
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Speaker 1: is possibly the instigator or the perpetrator of this crime
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Speaker 1: against Anna is because of a separate family law issue
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Speaker 1: where the stepmom has custody and divorce proceedings going on
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Speaker 1: with her other ex who is the father of the
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Speaker 1: three siblings. And she's asking just in Layman's terms, because
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Speaker 1: what I read was legal terms and Layman's terms saying Hey,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go to court and show up
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Speaker 1: and talk about custody issues and divorce proceedings that have
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Speaker 1: to do with my children. I'm going to I want
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Speaker 1: to take the fifth because one of these minor children
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Speaker 1: might be a criminals might being right, and is involved
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Speaker 1: in this FBI investigation.
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Speaker 2: So we need to continue this.
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Speaker 3: Like a question might be, does your son get along
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Speaker 3: with his stepsister?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: So have they ever fought before?
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Speaker 1: Exactly? So that's what she's asking for. We don't know
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Speaker 1: the outcome of that. I guess a judge has to
17:33
Speaker 1: rule on that, So we'll continue to follow that.
17:36
Speaker 3: So.
17:36
Speaker 1: Adam Pollock is a defense attorney who reviewed the case,
17:39
Speaker 1: and he said, in regards to Anna's stepmother quote, she
17:42
Speaker 1: has not identified herself as a target of a criminal investigation.
17:46
Speaker 1: She basically said that she's afraid that anything she could
17:48
Speaker 1: say could be used against her children. I think, miss Hudson,
17:52
Speaker 1: that's the stepmother has now propelled her children into the
17:55
Speaker 1: new spotlight needlessly. The FBI was not broadcasting that they
17:59
Speaker 1: were conducting a criminal investigation of the children.
18:02
Speaker 3: You know.
18:02
Speaker 1: That was my other thought too, was by putting that
18:05
Speaker 1: in black and white explicitly in her divorce slash custody
18:10
Speaker 1: battle over here in this.
18:11
Speaker 2: Family law case. Yeah, people found that, you know what
18:15
Speaker 2: I mean?
18:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know if the attorney, if
18:18
Speaker 1: that was smart of the attorney to draft that that way.
18:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then alternatively it would have been she'd have
18:24
Speaker 3: to testify or be deposed.
18:26
Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying he could have asked for maybe
18:28
Speaker 1: an ex party hearing in front of the judge or
18:29
Speaker 1: in like a closed.
18:31
Speaker 2: Hearing or something.
18:33
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he explicitly put in the documents that
18:36
Speaker 1: the minor child was involved in an FBI investigation, and
18:39
Speaker 1: now everyone's all over that. Yeah, I'm saying I think
18:43
Speaker 1: there was a way to do that without putting it
18:46
Speaker 1: out there. But I mean, that's what the attorney did.
18:48
Speaker 1: I would be I would be livid if my attorney
18:51
Speaker 1: did that. Now the news are all over the place
18:53
Speaker 1: reporting that my you know, minor child is involved in
18:56
Speaker 1: an FBI investigation. I'm saying that was all under wraps
19:01
Speaker 1: until the family law attorney drafted that and filed it
19:05
Speaker 1: with the.
19:06
Speaker 2: Court, and now it's all out there.
19:08
Speaker 3: Right.
19:09
Speaker 1: So, investigators are now reviewing surveillance video from the ship
19:12
Speaker 1: and analyzing electronic swipe card data which we talked about
19:16
Speaker 1: that may show who entered the teen's cabin. Law enforcement
19:19
Speaker 1: officials are saying they are also examining I.
19:22
Speaker 3: Wonder if the teen's cabin means it was hers as
19:26
Speaker 3: opposed to the family's cabin.
19:28
Speaker 1: Well, I'm assuming that this family went on the ship
19:32
Speaker 1: and that the mom and dad shared a room and
19:34
Speaker 1: then the siblings somehow share a room or shared two rooms.
19:38
Speaker 1: Maybe so yeah, so, but I just we don't know
19:40
Speaker 1: exactly how it was broken up, but I or maybe
19:43
Speaker 1: she was in a room alone and then the other
19:45
Speaker 1: three siblings shared a room.
19:47
Speaker 3: You know. That's ah because if there was a room
19:48
Speaker 3: being shared, then that would paint a different picture as
19:51
Speaker 3: to what could have happened or the timeline of events.
19:54
Speaker 3: And if that was her room only, again, that would
19:57
Speaker 3: be different questions. So it's like if she shared a
20:00
Speaker 3: room and be like, well, when's the last time someone
20:02
Speaker 3: saw her when they went to breakfast, Why didn't she
20:04
Speaker 3: go with them? Or was she there? And then if
20:07
Speaker 3: she had her room alone, that would explain why they
20:10
Speaker 3: all showed up at breakfast without her, assuming she would
20:13
Speaker 3: be there, But then they would also my question would
20:16
Speaker 3: be did they go to the room. That's what I
20:17
Speaker 3: would do, Go to the room, call her, text her right,
20:20
Speaker 3: not just go to the authorities and say my daughter's missing. Yeah,
20:23
Speaker 3: which I don't know if that's.
20:24
Speaker 1: What they did right, Well, we don't have a clear
20:26
Speaker 1: timeline obviously of what has happened. I also read and
20:40
Speaker 1: saw some podcasts where people were alleging that they had
20:44
Speaker 1: heard that the minor son confessed to his stepmother that
20:51
Speaker 1: she was not alive and then that's how she was found.
20:55
Speaker 1: But that conflicts with the reporting that the maid found her.
20:57
Speaker 1: So again there's this whole lot of.
21:00
Speaker 3: We usually have these true crime homicides where there's a
21:03
Speaker 3: lot of questions. Yeah, this takes the gig. This is
21:07
Speaker 3: one where we have a lot of questions and hopefully
21:10
Speaker 3: we can it can develop and we can start to
21:13
Speaker 3: address those.
21:13
Speaker 1: Well, this is because it's very new. Actually, her memorial
21:16
Speaker 1: is on the twentieth and then I don't know, maybe
21:19
Speaker 1: there'll be more information released. It's the issues you're dealing
21:23
Speaker 1: with minors, and you're dealing with a cruise ship and
21:26
Speaker 1: they have to gather all their evidence.
21:27
Speaker 2: So that's where we're out.
21:29
Speaker 3: So what happened and there's Yeah, it's just that's a
21:32
Speaker 3: tough one. But I bet you that's why it's under
21:34
Speaker 3: wraps because they're gathering a lot of data and they'll
21:37
Speaker 3: say anyone to say anything one way or another. Until
21:41
Speaker 3: they have what they know on their end, and then
21:44
Speaker 3: they can ask the proper questions and they can release what
21:46
Speaker 3: they want to the public to see if the public
21:48
Speaker 3: has anything to add.
21:49
Speaker 2: You know what else?
21:50
Speaker 1: I was thinking with a cruise ship. First of all,
21:52
Speaker 1: you've got four thousand people on the ship. Then at
21:54
Speaker 1: docks in Miami right on November eighth, and everybody leaves
21:57
Speaker 1: the cruise ship.
21:58
Speaker 3: Fifty five hundred people, right, was it four thousand, fifteen
22:00
Speaker 3: hundred crew member? Right?
22:01
Speaker 1: So we got yes, close to over five thousand people
22:03
Speaker 1: on this ship. It docks in Miami on November eighth.
22:06
Speaker 1: Everybody leaves a cruise ship. Now the FBI has to
22:09
Speaker 1: hunt down everybody that was rooming next to her right
22:12
Speaker 1: or may have seen something.
22:14
Speaker 3: I mean, they're going to certainly, but they may not
22:16
Speaker 3: know who that is until they review all the day.
22:18
Speaker 2: Right.
22:18
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, now, oh no, there was a murder
22:20
Speaker 3: when they docked.
22:21
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a good question.
22:22
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody was on the cruise ship
22:25
Speaker 1: that is listening to this, can you please DM me
22:27
Speaker 1: and give me the inside scoop? Were you aware that
22:30
Speaker 1: there that there was a girl that had died. Were
22:32
Speaker 1: you aware that she was possibly murdered? It was ruled homicide.
22:36
Speaker 2: We know that.
22:37
Speaker 3: I don't know.
22:38
Speaker 1: I just wanted I need more details, I need some
22:40
Speaker 1: inside information.
22:40
Speaker 3: Where was this cruise based out of Florida?
22:43
Speaker 2: It went Miami to Caribbean and then back to Miami.
22:45
Speaker 3: I believe you wonder if a funny thought would be
22:48
Speaker 3: like if someone was on the poop cruise and then
22:50
Speaker 3: they got a voucher to go on another cruise, and
22:52
Speaker 3: then then they go on the murder cruise.
22:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, and they're like, I'm done the cruises.
22:58
Speaker 1: So what happens when a juvenile is involved in a homicide? So,
23:02
Speaker 1: when a juvenile is involved in the death of another person,
23:04
Speaker 1: whether the act was intentional or accidental, they can be
23:07
Speaker 1: charged under the broad category of criminal homicide, which covers
23:10
Speaker 1: all unlawful killings and serious cases. Especially when the youth
23:14
Speaker 1: is sixteen or older. The court may move the case
23:16
Speaker 1: from the juvenile system to adult criminal court. That was
23:19
Speaker 1: another thing I was thinking about because even though this
23:21
Speaker 1: isn't confirmed, I read that this alleged.
23:24
Speaker 3: You know, the homicide, the perpetrator, the person of interest such, yes.
23:31
Speaker 2: The suspect.
23:31
Speaker 1: Thank you is sixteen, which that's a pivotal age because
23:36
Speaker 1: he could possibly be tried as an adult. So when
23:39
Speaker 1: a minor is accused of murder, which is when someone
23:41
Speaker 1: deliberately takes another person's life, or when they intentionally inflict
23:44
Speaker 1: serious harm that would reasonably be expected to result in death,
23:48
Speaker 1: a conviction can carry a mandatory minimum sentence of around
23:51
Speaker 1: thirty years, with no opportunity for parole during that period.
23:56
Speaker 1: In situations involving particularly vulnerable victims, for example a child
24:01
Speaker 1: under fourteen who was sexually abused before being killed, or
24:04
Speaker 1: when the victim is a law enforcement.
24:06
Speaker 3: Officer, which applies to this miner, right, the.
24:08
Speaker 1: Punishment can increase significantly, right, So why does the FBI
24:13
Speaker 1: have to deal with matters that happen on cruise ships
24:15
Speaker 1: while in international waters, like in the Amy Bread lays.
24:18
Speaker 3: Because there's no state that has jurisdiction, right, right, I
24:21
Speaker 3: mean in layman's terms, which is all we really need
24:23
Speaker 3: to know is they're not within a state. And in
24:28
Speaker 3: this circumstance, it took place while in the waters, not
24:31
Speaker 3: in a port or anything. So the steps in.
24:34
Speaker 1: Exactly So what is Anna's family said? So her obituary
24:39
Speaker 1: read quote Anna was pure energy, bubbly, funny, outgoing, and
24:42
Speaker 1: completely herself. She never had a filter, and that was
24:45
Speaker 1: part of her charm, whether she was practicing new makeup looks,
24:49
Speaker 1: even if she had nowhere to go, making tiktoks in
24:51
Speaker 1: front of the mirror, or blasting a perfectly curated playlist
24:54
Speaker 1: on the boat. Anna lived every day with her whole heart.
24:57
Speaker 1: She loved the sun, the water, boat day's island and
25:00
Speaker 1: beach days, anything that let her soak in the light.
25:02
Speaker 1: She so easily radiated to others. Her relatives find comfort
25:06
Speaker 1: in knowing Anna lived her eighteen years to the fullest.
25:09
Speaker 1: She was an athlete who began gymnastics at the age
25:12
Speaker 1: of two and later joined her high school varsity cheerleading team.
25:16
Speaker 1: She loved being near the water, earning her boater's license
25:20
Speaker 1: and scuba certification. Anne enjoyed shopping, makeup and spending time
25:24
Speaker 1: with friends. Anna was especially close to her grandmother, her
25:28
Speaker 1: family has said, who affectionately called her Anna Banana. And
25:32
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of videos because she liked to
25:33
Speaker 1: make TikTok videos, and she had gone on a cruise
25:36
Speaker 1: prior to the one that she had died on. I
25:38
Speaker 1: believe back in May of this year with her grandfather
25:42
Speaker 1: and grandmother for her birthday, and.
25:44
Speaker 2: It was cute. I saw a lot of her videos
25:46
Speaker 2: that she made.
25:46
Speaker 1: Her grandfather was in the background and her grandmother was
25:48
Speaker 1: in some and so you know, it's just it's such
25:51
Speaker 1: a sad situation that this bright eighteen year old that
25:56
Speaker 1: was going to go into the military, that had this
25:58
Speaker 1: full life ahead of her to live, goes on a cruise,
26:02
Speaker 1: which clearly is one of her favorite things to do,
26:05
Speaker 1: and something horrible happened to her.
26:07
Speaker 3: Well, now family's destroyed too, you know, fathers without a daughter,
26:11
Speaker 3: the mother, and the siblings, if one was involved, they're
26:15
Speaker 3: going to be you know, their life is going to
26:17
Speaker 3: go down.
26:17
Speaker 2: The dream so right, So well, thank you for listening.
26:21
Speaker 3: And if you're going to have more updates right hopefully.
26:24
Speaker 1: Well, no, we're going to continue to follow this case.
26:26
Speaker 1: This is clearly the tip of the iceberg. I mean,
26:28
Speaker 1: once someone I am assuming that there'll be an arrest
26:31
Speaker 1: that comes at some point and there'll be more information
26:34
Speaker 1: that comes out, and we will follow this case and
26:36
Speaker 1: keep you updated on it. But thank you for listening.
26:39
Speaker 1: If you have any insight information, please dm me. I
26:41
Speaker 1: would love to hear from someone.
26:42
Speaker 3: I know who did it. Yes, I would love.
26:44
Speaker 1: To hear from someone that was on the Horizon cruise
26:48
Speaker 1: November two through the eighth on the Horizon, the Carnival
26:52
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26:54
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26:56
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27:19
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