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#87 - Inside the Signal Chat with Trump’s Inner Circle · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Atlantic reporter Jeffrey Goldberg finds himself in the middle of a group chat
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  on Signal with 18 Trump officials, and they're discussing matters of national intelligence.
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  This is wild, wild stuff. My name is Brandon Fogle. This is Evolution.
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  Let's get into it. So have you ever found yourself in a place that you're like,
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  am I really supposed to be here? I'm not really supposed to be here.
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  I immediately go to Black Sheep with Chris Farley, and he finds himself on stage.
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  When his, for his brother's campaign, who's running for governor,
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  he's like, I'm not really supposed to be here.
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  And then he, he just goes off the rails and he ends up saying, kill Whitey.
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  And I, everybody, no, no, this is, this is almost to that level.
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  This is almost to that level.
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  How do you find yourself in the middle
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  of a group chat with top government officials and you're a reporter.
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  Did something happen? Did the NSA kind of sneak them in there?
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  Are there still some levels in the deep state that are behind the scenes trying
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  to just mess up this administration?
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  Or was this a blunder by the Trump officials by doing this?
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  Were they just not careful? I mean, we've all been there. We've all been there.
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  You're like, why am I a part of this chat?
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  Why am I a part of this chat? Your phone's just going off the roof.
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  Notification, Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
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  Take me out of this chat, please. We've all been there.
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  We know what it's like. So it's like, why didn't he say something, you know?
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  I'm not really supposed to be here, guys. You know, I am a reporter.
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  I mean, it could have been just a regular guy.
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  So either a blunder by the Trump officials or something else was working.
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  Something else was working. He claims complete, you know, he had nothing to
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  do with it. He doesn't even know how to work his phone.
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  He doesn't know how to do a lot of things. He doesn't know how to take a screenshot
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  on his phone or anything like that. So he couldn't have done it.
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  But doesn't mean that other people couldn't have done something.
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  You know, everybody is always trying to trip them up.
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  But either way, it's wild nonetheless. There's either a screw up on one side
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  or there's some nefarious working that is happening that is trying to thwart
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  this administration at every turn.
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  Let's take a look at the, this is a report from CBS News. You can see on the
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  screen, this is Jeffrey Goldberg.
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  So I'd never heard of him until this event that just happened. So you can see his face.
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  There he is. And you should check out the whole video. You can go to CBS news
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  and it's all over the internet.
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  It's on the app called signal. I don't use signal myself, but it's not a secure chat, you know?
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  And it's like, so now the argument is, were they doing something wrong?
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  Were these, was this a mistake? And they're talking about like bombing Yemen.
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  And after they, these Hudi, Hudi, Hudi rebels,
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  you can pronounce it Hudi, Hudi and the blowfish, these
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  hootie rebels and they're and they're they're they're
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  throwing emojis out there that they they just drop some
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  bombs they're like we don't want to step in and save europe's butt again you
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  know and it's peak headseth it's it's vp vance john ratcliffe and even like
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  vance is saying crazy things i can understand why they're talking like this
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  this is just how regular people talk But they're talking about national security.
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  Sending bombs just to step in and save someone's butt,
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  you know, and the phrasing that they use is just wild, just saying you would
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  say in a text message, but they're not doing it on a secure line.
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  And then this reporter finds himself just front and center.
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  He thinks it's a joke at first. He says he does. I don't know. I don't know.
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  I would give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he just, but he didn't voice
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  anything. He didn't say anything. He's just watching it happen.
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  And that he came forward with this. It's kind of a weird deal in itself.
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  And he says he's doing it because that Trump is saying that it was nothing.
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  There was no top secret information that was happening, whereas they had to redact.
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  Not everything was revealed and put out there. There was redacted information.
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  Then not everything got put out there. So we got J.D. Vance, Peek Head Seth.
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  What else we got? John Ratcoult. There's a lot of different people that are
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  on on this, this message, you know, it's like, but they don't know.
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  I mean, why couldn't we have done this through email?
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  But I mean, they got to talk through something that maybe they just,
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  they, they, I think these guys, they, they expect the people that are.
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  The the administration people underneath them would kind of secure this.
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  They're not they're just stepping in it and they're having conversation,
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  maybe not doing their due diligence of everything.
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  Who's on this chat? We need to make sure we got every name. But it's like,
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  why don't they got a little checkmark or something that validates every person on there?
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  I don't know. It's just a whole weird situation.
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  But like they're just it's just absolutely wild.
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  But I think from both ends, the reporter needs to say something immediately.
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  Like I'm in this chat guys do you understand so it's like remove some culpability there,
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  but then also these it was
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  a blunder if they did screw this up they have said that we did we did not do
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  anything wrong they're standing by that position they're not saying they're
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  not saying oh we screwed up right here and just taking it from there I think
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  it's because that they know what the other side would do and it's just the double
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  standard so it's hard to take these things seriously,
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  when we're like so upset about this top secret clearance kind of issue.
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  But when Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and all the, it's like whatever team
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  you're on, it's all about teams.
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  So it's like, you can't give the other side an inch because they'll just tear
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  you to pieces where they don't hold their own side accountable.
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  So it's ridiculous from both ends, but it's hilarious in a huge sense.
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  So it's absolutely wild that this happened, but it's human fallibility. People are not perfect.
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  Our politicians aren't perfect. J.D. Vance isn't perfect.
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  The people that are in our government aren't perfect. So should they have said,
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  we screwed up, but yeah, we made a blunder.
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  Or should they have a hard stance, no, we did nothing wrong, nothing to see here.
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  Is that going to get them in more hot water by that? I don't think they should
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  show any weakness. They shouldn't say, oh, we screwed up here.
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  Because you think that the Dems, the left is going to stop.
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  They're going to like try to,
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  and it's that double standard that they wouldn't hold their own side to.
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  So I think that my opinion, they screwed up. They screwed up by allowing this to happen.
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  But I don't think they screwed up by just, they don't need to just say we did something wrong.
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  They need to have that hard stance and just correct it, correct it on their side.
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  But we all know that they might have screwed up unless there is something underneath
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  the surface, some person pulling the strings in that deep state that is doing something here.
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  So there could be that as well. So I'm not going to discount that.
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  I just watched a video just a little bit ago of a couple years ago with Tucker
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  Carlson in his personal group chat, in his chat that he's messaging back and forth.
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  The NSA is watching. They're always watching. They're always watching.
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  And he's like, what the heck?
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  If we don't have privacy, like
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  if we don't have freedom of thought and privacy, we don't have freedom.
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  And this is where I get into the new age, the new, like the new generation.
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  We are like, we are, we come to expect.
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  And I mean, and we, and really the up and coming, the up and coming new youngins
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  and even my generation, I don't really care that all my information is out there.
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  I don't really care that the government is listening.
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  I don't really care that we're being watched every second and all the only privacy
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  we have is inside of our head anymore.
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  And but the older generation, that was their firm stance. We cannot have this.
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  You need to be able to have privacy.
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  You can't be expected to just bend over and let the government just have everything
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  at you that they just have all free reign and they can just watch you.
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  They can listen to you, everything. You know, there's no freedom in that privacy.
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  It's just this balance now.
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  Like maybe the earlier generation had it right.
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  Maybe we shouldn't give an inch. But I think it's just where everything in our,
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  in the youngins, especially the new ones, everything is out there.
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  You post everything because you want everybody to watch. So it's like the...
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  Who cares if the government's watching? We're putting everything out there anyways.
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  So it's this complete flip. So is, I don't know, is that a bad direction?
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  Is that a good direction?
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  Is that neutral? Does it matter?
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  I have my opinion. Like, I don't really care that, I mean, I've just taken for
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  granted that the government's always watching.
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  It doesn't, you know, but like, I can understand why that's a bad deal.
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  And we probably shouldn't just do that.
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  You know, I think it's just, we are frogs just heated up in a pot and we've
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  just, we're just there now. We're like burning alive, but we had no idea.
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  And they've just done this slow burn and we're just like, whatever,
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  you know, and, and this is all the new, the new kids on the block know these
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  days, this is all they know. So that's just the way it is.
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  But so you find yourself in a group chat. What are you going to do?
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  Are you going to be like Jeffrey Goldblum and just wait it out and watch these,
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  them talk about that they're going to send some bombs and then it happens.
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  And then you're just like, oh my gosh.
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  And then a couple weeks later you come out and say hey i
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  actually saw this i'm releasing the transcript and all that who's on
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  the who's in the right who's in the wrong there's a lot of gray in
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  there there's a lot of like undisclosed information i
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  think more stuff is going to come out because this is the news cycle this is
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  what the left wants to talk about they got some news they got something they're
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  going to try to pin on trump you know pin on his administration trump and the
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  guys they're doing the right thing they're not don't give them an inch they
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  might be in the right completely They might not have done anything wrong,
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  but maybe talk about these things in a more secure manner.
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  Maybe talk about them in a more secure manner. So what do you all think?
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  Keep evolving to become the greatest person that you know you can become.