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UK Column News - 8th August 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's just gone 1:00 on Friday
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the 8th of August 2025. Welcome to UK column News.
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I'm your host, Charles Mallett, and I have with me in the studio
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today, Patrick Henningson. Welcome to the program, Patrick.
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Great to be with you, Charles. Good stuff.
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And we're going to be joined, I'm pleased to say by Kip
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Clarenberg of The Grey Zone, who is in Belgrade, Serbia at the
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moment. And we will also have a another
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contribution from Will Coleshill with one of his Willsy reports.
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Now in the programme today we're going to be looking at threat
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analysis by Dutch intelligence, particularly pertaining to
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Israel. Also how the crossing of small
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boats is being weaponized on all sides of the political debate,
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as well as a look back at the events as they unfolded in the
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former Yugoslavia 30 years ago. We'll be covering the sabotage
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in the Baltic and the intelligence picture as it's
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seen by Russia, as well as the continuing battle or indeed
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interaction between artificial intelligence and free speech.
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And then on to Presidents Trump and Putin.
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Will they meet or won't they? And then a look at the battle
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lines being drawn in space. As I say, there'll be Willsie
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reporting from a recent event showcasing what's going on in
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young and inquiring minds. And then a piece on the
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continued plundering of the natural landscape and denial of
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access to it. But first, because it is a story
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that we've covered a lot over the last few weeks, a story that
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relates to the prescription of Palestine action, the group now
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deemed to be a terrorist entity. And the Crime Prosecution
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Service have announced charges under section section 13 of the
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Terrorism Act 2000 of individuals from the 5th of
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July, the very day the Palestine action was prescribed for quote
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showing support for prescribed terrorist organization.
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Palestine Action. Now, Section 13, as we would
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have referenced before, concerns wearing of clothing and the
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display of articles. And the use of language here is
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undoubtedly designed to be enormously subjective.
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So this is from the legislation itself, and this is the wearing
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of clothing or using articles in such a way or in such
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circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is
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a member or supporter of a prescribed organization.
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So you can see where that can go.
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Now for contrast and indeed to maintain distance from the case
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as warned to do so by the CPS themselves, we're going to you
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look at a tweet by Alastair Campbell from his Rest is
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Politics talk show. And this deals with Section 12,
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which of course is relevant to other means of support to a
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prescribed organization. But the tweet here is shows a
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picture of the president, now president of Syria, a known
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terrorist, in his capacity as head of HTS, a subset of Al
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Qaeda, but very clearly being supported by Alastair Campbell
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and Rory Stewart. I wrote to counterterrorism
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police about this very issue and received no reply.
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So just just to point out the specifics on Section 12, which
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says that a person commits an offence if he arranges, manages
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or assists in arranging or managing a meeting which he
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knows is to support a prescribed organization, to further the
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activities of a prescribed organization or to be addressed
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by a person who belongs to or professors to belong to a
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prescribed organization. Clearly no action taken.
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That when it comes to three people apparently supporting
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Palestine action via the wearing of clothing, a completely
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different matter. I don't think anybody listening
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or watching will be enormously surprised by that, but it is
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nonetheless something that's very important to keep track of.
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So that's what we're going to start programme and.
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I think, I think providing public relations support for the
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the former deputy head of ISIS probably should fall under that.
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One would think, say arbitrarily, indeed say yes
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exactly. But I'll now hand over to
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Patrick for the next update. And as I say, concerning the
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Dutch intelligence. Sure, this is this is an
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interesting story and we're going to be welcoming Kate
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Klaren Berg in a moment to talk about it.
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But just going on to the situation at hand, the national
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coordinator for Security and counterterrorism in in the
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Netherlands in Amsterdam here is under the Ministry of Justice
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and security. Look at what's happened here.
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Israel has been declared a quote, terror threat.
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Pretty unbelievable. And I want to point people to
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this article here. I'm somewhat surprised to see
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this, but there's seems to be a slow moving trend around Europe
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and little baby steps in terms of putting and isolating Israel
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into a corner. Dutch intelligence flags Israel
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as a, quote, state threat. Kit Klareberg, this is up at
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Global Delinquents. This is Kit's Substack
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publication here. Go up to Substack, just type in
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Kit Klarenberg or Global Delinquents and it'll bring you
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right to his archive here. Pretty unbelievable when I bring
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on to the program right now. Kit Klarenberg is also editor of
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The Gray Zone UK. He's also published in a number
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of excellent publications like Mint Press news and others.
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Kit, welcome to the program, Kit.
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Explain to us how this came about.
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I find this to be extraordinary, especially considering the
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really strident and aggressive rhetoric by European leaders in
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support of Israel since October 7th, 2023.
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Explain to us what's happening, Kit.
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Well, I mean, it's a pretty extraordinary development, but I
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mean NCTV, which is Amsterdam's counter terror intelligence
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agency, every single year it publishes an assessment of quote
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UN quote state threats to the Netherlands.
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And it has named Israel as as a threat to the Netherlands for
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the very first time. And this comes at a time when
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the Amsterdam is also leading the charge within the EU against
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Israel, calling for a reappraisal of the EU's
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relationship with Israel, calling for the end of trade
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with with Israel, among other measures.
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It must be stated that the Netherlands has historically
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been very pro Israeli and has served as a key nucleus for
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Israeli lobbying within Europe and beyond.
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The Netherlands is home to a number of very powerful EUUN
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organisations and therefore has been a kind of jumping off,
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jumping off point for the Zionist entity for a very long
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time. And it's lobbying work.
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So this is a pretty, yeah, as I say, a pretty extraordinary
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development. We're going to bring one of
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those shady organizations here. I'll bring this up on screen,
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the NGO monitor adorned with EU flags.
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But on closer inspection, just going to the contact page, this
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is actually based in Jerusalem, in Israel.
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This is one of those instruments you're referring to, Kit, based
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in Israel, but very active and organizing activities against
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Palestinian support in countries like the Netherlands, which you
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pointed out in your article. Go ahead, KIT.
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Yeah, sure. So it's like, I mean, I mean, as
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I mentioned that because the Netherlands is home to all of
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these powerful international institutions, including, of
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course, the International Criminal Court and the
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International Court of Justice, ensuring that there is a
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friendly environment locally in political terms is of utmost
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importance to Tel Aviv. And for many, many, many years,
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they have systematically sought to neutralize any trace of
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Palestine solidarity in the country.
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And this has extended to cyber attacks on prominent Palestine
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solidarity activists and, you know, physical threats and all
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manner of skullduggery. But, but, but most prominently,
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smear campaigns. You know, you mentioned NGO
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monitor, NGO Monitor and, and the Dutch government has
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acknowledged this. It routinely smears anyone or
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anything that is remotely critical of Israel, including
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Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, which are of
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course, you know, mainstream darlings that can't really be
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depended upon for an accurate or an accurate view of human rights
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in the world. The slightest criticism of
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Israel, these people and organisations get smeared as
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anti-Semitic and in bed with Hamas and this has been a very,
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very successful, devastating, successful strategy that has
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been deployed. Over and over and.
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Over again over the years it has led to organisations having to
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shut down. It has it has NGO monitors
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successfully lobbied the Dutch government to cut funding for
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Palestinian organisations. It's so yeah, the the the the
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the current kind of vault fast, for want of a better word on
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Amsterdam's part is it is unprecedented.
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And I do think that it could lead to a wider unravelling of
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the Zionist lobby's influence throughout Europe because
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increasingly governments are waking up to the fact that yes,
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the the Israeli lobby is a deeply mephitic influence on
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politics and society. The report in question from
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NCTV, it hones in on on what I would consider AI mean.
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It was shocking, but it was a relatively minor chapter in the
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the Dutch Israeli lobbies litany of shame actually, where in late
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2024 there were riots in Amsterdam by Israeli football
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hooligans. The the Tel Aviv moved very
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quickly to try and shape media and political narratives around
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what happened to try and frame it as a kind of a pot, a kind of
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Nazi style pogrom. When in reality a bunch of
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thuggish far right Israeli football club ultras turned up
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in Amsterdam specifically to to cause trouble.
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They tore down Palestinian flags.
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They attacked Muslim residents of the city, of which there are
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great many, including women, and they chanted absolutely
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repulsive, racist, anti Arab, anti Muslim slogans and cheered
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on the IDF. But I mean, yes, in, in the in,
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in the scheme of things, this is relatively minor.
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But the NCTV has finally acknowledged that this is, like,
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deeply problematic because, yes, there were a wide variety of
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political and media figures who ignored the fact that the
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Israelis had specifically come to make trouble and framed what
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happened as this completely unprovoked attack on Jews
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because they were Jews, you know, the mayor of Amsterdam.
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Yes. But it's like likened what
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happened to like to Crystal Night and Nazi and you know,
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Nazi pogroms in general. It it, it, it was quite
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extraordinary. And the root cause of this was
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the Israeli government circulating extremely dodgy
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dossiers to MPs and journalists freight with a very specific
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framing of what happened. Indeed.
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And also just to add to what Kit was saying about the trend real
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quickly here, Netherlands notifies Israel to call to
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suspend a trade agreement, a trade association agreement.
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So that's part of that European trend, Charles.
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So things are gradually moving, but thank you Kit for that.
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Absolutely. Report.
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Yeah. Thanks, Patrick.
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And just sticking with the theme brought out there of sort of
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whipping up tensions, this is absolutely something that's been
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going on over on this side of the channel with both the Prime
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Minister and the home secretary talking tough one might say, on
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what they're describing as smuggling gangs, suggesting that
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that that they are indeed taking action, that people are being
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detained and and all the rest of it.
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Of course, a year ago this was very much political and social
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flashpoint as it's becoming this summer.
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And the the main point here is that they're shifting focus from
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the policy of migration and concentrating on a very, very
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small detail which they're describing as these smuggling
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gangs, rather than focusing on the area of concern in the
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country which causes the migrants themselves and indeed
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where they're going and where they've come from.
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But the intent here to stoke fear and division.
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But we'll just listen to what the Home Secretary had to say on
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the matter, and please listen with a questioning ear and think
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whether or not you do endorse exactly what it is that she's
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saying. Well, the pilot has now begun
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and the first migrants who arrived on small boat are now in
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detention. That is the first step to
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removing them to France because no one should be making this
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journey in the 1st place and that's why this is now starting
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the process to return people and to undermine this vile trade in
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people. No, it's very obviously a
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political football and it's been kicked all over the park.
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And I think the other point to make here is that across the
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political spectrum, it's very, very obvious that the drive here
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is towards digital identity. That is the proposed solution to
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this particular problem, and it's just going to be sold in a
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number of different ways. Patrick, you've got a bit more
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on this and how it's being imported.
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It's also about cultivating electoral support for the next
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administration. Here, Nigel Farage accused of
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fanning the flames by his nemesis in the mirror here.
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We'll bring this up on screen for a moment.
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Nigel Farage fanning the flames of hatred.
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Dangerous claims of a cover up. So another sort of Stockport
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style cover up accusation here. Labor MP from Dover and Deal
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Mike Tapp basically calling him a fake patriot, exploiting
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divisions of hate for his own political gain.
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And this is what Nigel Farrah said on Monday.
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And again, talk about fanning the flames.
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I mean, this one just keeps going.
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What caused unrest in our streets after Stockport last
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year was us not being told by the police that the the status
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of the attacker in Stockport. That led to crazy conspiracy
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theories spreading online. So he's basically saying that
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it's really not the mob's fault for rioting and it's not our
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fault for egging on the mob. It's the fault of the police for
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not disclosing the ethnicity and the religion of the assailant.
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So they're trying to rewrite the rules of criminal justice to
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basically say give sucker to an angry mob.
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And Douglas Murray made the same exact argument at the time to
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justify his egging on of the mob, as did Tommy Robinson.
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So we've seen this pattern. Developing, absolutely playing
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out exactly like it did last year and just qualified that is
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Southport, not not Stockport. Stockport, yes.
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But OK, now what we're going to do is take advantage of having
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Kit on the program. And indeed, as I mentioned at
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the opening, the events in Yugoslavia 30 years ago were
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very much dominating the headlines.
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And Patrick, you're going to give us more on that.
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Well, yes, and we're looking at we'll bring this up on screen
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here. Yugoslavian war, obviously
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people should understand that's 1991 or sorry to 1999.
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Sorry, typographic error there. But just to reiterate what the
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map looked like at the time, the breakup of Yugoslavia here and
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they're talking in the news about the 30 years since
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Croatia's, quote, war of independence.
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This is German state media, of course, but other outlets in
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Europe are saying something different. 30 years on,
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Operation Storm still divides the Balkans.
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And here I want to direct people to Kit Clarenberg's piece here
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at the Gray zone. US backed ethnic cleansing of
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Serbs, top diplomats secretly, he told Croat leader.
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Let's bring Kit Klarenberg back onto the stage to talk about
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this Kit. Interesting development here.
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New documents, new information or information that hasn't been
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looked at but maybe was there. Explain to us what's behind this
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story. Mute Mike.
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So, yeah, sure. So August 4th marked the 30th
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operation at the 30th anniversary, sorry, of Operation
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Storm, which is, I mean, very few people in the West know
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about. I'm, I'm quite surprised that
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there's been any critical media coverage of this whatsoever in
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the mainstream. But as you just demonstrated,
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but yeah, but it's little known outside the former Yugoslavia,
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but it was AUS planned military strike which removed the
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entirety of Croatian Serbian population, which is like, you
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know, 300,000 people. Many were forced to flee on
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foot. The elderly infirm who who
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couldn't run away basically just got killed and all of their
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property was either burned to the ground or stolen by Croatian
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forces. And yeah, it was the product of
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the US backing neo neo Nazi forces and using them as quote
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UN quote junkyard dogs to break up Yugoslavia.
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Does this sound familiar at all? You know, to what's currently
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happening what the the Western powers planned to happen in
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Donbass but hasn't really worked out since February 2022?
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If not, you know February 2014 when the Ukrainian government
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was overthrown by a CIANED MI6 coup.
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Yes, yeah. Well the blitzkrieg that was
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planned that Russia intervened to prevent in February 25th,
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2022, of course that's totally denied by the West.
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But Malden, Albright and the entire US foreign policy
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apparatus was very anti Serb. So they're denying Anakba
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effectively of the Serbian population in Croatia.
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That's effectively what what happened there.
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And it's interesting we'll bring up on screen here.
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This is Richard. Let me see, we'll bring this up.
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The diplomat from the United States, Richard Holbrooke, who
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was a leading U.S. diplomat at the time, admits.
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We said publicly that we were concerned, but privately you
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knew what we wanted. And he's talking here too.
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I believe he's had a conversation with Tujarman, I
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believe was the leader in in Croatia at the time.
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So it's it's admitted Kit. The United States backed an
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actual program in Europe not so long ago, 30 years ago.
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Yeah, well, I mean, it's it, it, it, it again, it's quite
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remarkable because, you know, Fran Franio Tujman was elected
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on an explicit platform of, of effectively.
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Yeah, removing Croatia's entire Serb population, which was, you
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know, Yeah, like hundreds of thousands of people on the
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campaign trail. He openly venerated the Astasha,
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which was this kind of Nazi puppet state created in war in
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World War 2. By what?
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During the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia, they ruled with a
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brutality that shocked the Nazis themselves.
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They would do things like to kill children by picking them up
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by the legs and smashing their heads into walls they had
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dedicated camps for. Slaughtering women and children
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and yeah, the Tujman suggested that the the the Astasha were a
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reflection of Croatia's desire for freedom and independence and
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appointed several former Astasha exiles to his government.
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Of course, this inspired instilled fear in Croatia's non
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non Croat population. And yes, the operation storm
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represented the culmination of a plan that was laid well in
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advance and the US not only was well aware of, but green lip.
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And yeah, it is celebrated today as Victory Day in in Croatia.
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And, you know, you can see large crowds of people walking often,
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you know, doing the Nazi salute as they do so in cities like
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Zagreb and Split. So, yeah, the, the, the
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parallels with the current conflict in Ukraine couldn't
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really be clearer except that, you know, now the US is losing
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which and could well be on on on the verge of just total
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capitulation and leaving Ukraine to its own devices to be
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overrun, run by Russia. There have been reports that
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Putin and Trump are scheduled to speak next week.
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We shall see if anything comes of that.
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But yeah, the US negotiating position is certainly not very
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strong. And the US empire isn't what it
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once was, you know, in the mid 90s.
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Yeah, I think thank you, Kit. It's a very important story.
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It's also important to put this important historical event into
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context. So much of what's happened in
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Europe and the Balkans and now Ukraine, it's the West and
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Britain and some of the European NATO members always exploiting
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all of these tensions that arose during the early part in the
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middle of the 20th century and still trying to get mileage out
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of these divisions that were created from past wars.
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And it seems like they're coming to the end of this playbook.
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And so hopefully that's the case.
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Yeah. It's really important and and
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with such a sort of constant battering from the the ever
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evolving news cycle, people are so quick to forget.
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And I think that this is exactly right to to make sure that
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people don't forget what's happened and do have an accurate
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version of events. So thanks very much for that.
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And that that article's at the grey zone.
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Yes, it is and there'll be linked.
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Sorry, all all of this that's been referred to will be
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this news programme. And we're going to go to the
26:10
Baltic where I think again, we're going to have to take a
26:14
different perspective on what we're, what we're told by the
26:17
the British establishment. Certainly, Patrick.
26:19
Well, yes, and you're not allowed to know a lot of this
26:22
because it's in Russian media, which is a verboten in Britain,
26:25
but nonetheless. And we will be asking Kit
26:28
Clarenberg to to contribute on this discussion.
26:31
But the UK accused by Russian intelligence of masterminding A
26:34
sabotage campaign against Russia's shadow fleet, Shadow
26:38
fleet of tankers and ships on the high sea doing trade and
26:43
commerce here. This is a report we've got up at
26:46
21st Century wire.com from our Global Affairs Associate Editor
26:50
Freddie Ponton. And this has got a lot of
26:52
interesting positions in it that I think people need to consider.
26:57
We, we, we're calling this the NATO lake.
26:59
Obviously with the addition of Finland and Sweden, this has
27:02
completely changed the security architecture of the Baltic
27:05
environment, made it a lot more hostile for Russia.
27:08
And this is a report by the Russian SRV, their intelligence
27:11
services here. And this is interesting.
27:14
NATO allies preparing for large scale operations against
27:17
Russia's so-called shadow fleet. And that's what's in here.
27:20
There's the report and we've got the translation and PDF form
27:24
which you can go and read there. And also what's also interesting
27:28
about this, and this is where the conversation is going to get
27:30
a little dicey, there's Keir Starmer, the British Prime
27:34
Minister. And what's he saying here?
27:37
What we'll bring on, actually, sorry, we'll bring, we'll bring
27:42
back, we're going to bring back a quote from Keir Starmer.
27:45
There it is. The threat from Russia to our
27:48
national security cannot be underestimated, Starmer said.
27:51
That is why we will do everything in our power to
27:54
destroy the Shadow fleet Operation.
27:57
Starve his war machine. So his shadow fleet, his war
28:01
machines, they're personalizing this to Vladimir Putin, like
28:05
Saddam Hussein style and Gaddafi style, starve his war machine of
28:10
oil revenues and protect the subsea infrastructure.
28:13
For. Then we rely on for everyday
28:16
lives. Charles, subsea infrastructure,
28:20
what's the Nord Stream pipeline is that does that count as
28:23
subsea infrastructure? I mean, I'm certainly no expert,
28:27
but I would think that it might fall into that category, yes.
28:30
I find this to be quite unbelievable here.
28:32
And this, this is dovetailing with this.
28:34
Donald Trump's hitting India with 50% tariffs, 25 extra 50 in
28:39
total for Russian oil purchases. So that's coming via Russia's
28:43
quote shadow fleet. So this is a coordinated
28:45
operation between the British and the Americans and NATO, full
28:49
stop. Now we've I've got a video here
28:52
from Chris Donahue, NATO command of NATO land forces here.
28:57
Listen very closely. If you look at Kaliningrad at
29:02
its, you know, you can argue back and forth, but it's about
29:05
47 miles wide surrounded by NATO on all sides.
29:11
There's absolutely no reason why that A2AD bubble to deter
29:15
Russia. We cannot take that down from
29:17
the ground in a time frame that is unheard of and faster than
29:21
we've ever been able to do. We've already planned that.
29:24
We've already developed it. The mass and momentum problem
29:28
that Russia poses to us, a problem that we could pose get
29:32
faced anywhere else in the world.
29:34
We've developed the capability to make sure that we can stop
29:38
that massive momentum problem, approximately 22 divisions worth
29:42
of capability. And then of course, all of us
29:45
have to make sure that we have offensive capability.
29:50
That was this week, Charles, that was this week.
29:52
So a NATO commander openly advocating for offensive
29:56
operations against Russia to that would definitely trigger a
30:00
potential thermonuclear exchange and World War 3.
30:04
Unbelievable here. And for further perspective on
30:08
this, back in June, Kit Clarenberg publishes with the
30:10
Gray Zone secret, British plans to defeat entire Russian Black
30:14
Sea fleet revealed and leaked. So we bring Kit back Kit.
30:18
So it's, you know, it's there's no secrets about what the agenda
30:22
is here. Now they're doing this openly.
30:24
Russia's not advocating to attack the United States openly
30:28
and how they're going to, you know, take out the US fleet in
30:31
Hawaii or even in Bahrain, but yet NATO's doing this to Russia
30:36
publicly. That plus what you've been
30:39
sharing with us in the previous months.
30:41
We'd like your perspective Kit. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm amazed
30:46
that first at Russia's restraint, but also the fact
30:50
that it's taken them so taking them so long to publicly discuss
30:54
the fact that Britain is behind all of this.
30:56
I mean, in March 2022, there is a an organization known as the
31:01
Council on Geostrategy, which is funded by the British Foreign
31:04
Office and and various defence contractors.
31:07
And it published a report which openly stated that the Black Sea
31:10
region was of significant importance to the UK
31:16
geopolitically, and it advocated for assisting Ukraine in
31:20
destroying Russia's Black Sea fleet.
31:22
So, I mean, we didn't even need the leaks I reported on to know
31:25
that Britain was behind this. And yes, there are numerous
31:31
passages and leaked files I reported on which have very
31:35
clear relevance to what's been going on.
31:36
So I mean, this didn't get much coverage in in the Western or
31:40
the English language media. But in February, there was a
31:43
spate of explosions on tankers in the Mediterranean that had
31:48
recently stopped at Russian ports and were ferrying Russian
31:52
goods, particularly oil, around the world.
31:55
Italian investigators, you know, openly stated that they
31:58
suspected that the Ukraine was responsible for this.
32:01
Now, in the leaked, excuse me, in the leaked files that I
32:05
reported on, there's all sorts of references to training the
32:08
Ukrainians to use limpet, you know, deep sea divers to attach
32:13
limpet mines to Russian ships in the Black Sea to sink them.
32:19
You know, of course they're going to be using this
32:21
capability elsewhere. And what's interesting about the
32:27
Ukraine's preponderant focus on attacking Russian shipping in in
32:33
the Black Sea is it actually has no battlefield benefit for them
32:36
whatsoever. I mean, they might get a
32:38
propaganda boost out there, but it doesn't change the reality of
32:41
the frontline in Donbass. But they are expending, you
32:44
know, a large amount of people and resources, often on suicide
32:48
mission to try and attack Russia, Russian shipping,
32:54
Russian military bases and Russian territory in that
32:59
region. And as I've also reported for
33:02
the Grey zone, I mean, you know, the entire Krinky operation,
33:06
which was a catastrophic disaster, ranking amongst one of
33:10
the worst military disasters in modern history.
33:15
This was all masterminded by the British.
33:18
It was British trained Ukrainian marines who were doing the
33:24
fighting and dying, mainly dying using British equipment and they
33:27
were trained in Britain itself. You know, and, and to that point
33:33
TJ Coles also for the grey zone here just to remind people, from
33:36
2015 the UK has trained over 22,000 Ukrainian military
33:42
personnel as a part of Operation Orbital Maritime training
33:45
Initiative. And this is all detailed in TJ
33:47
Coles book Britains Secret Wars, where he documents how the UK
33:52
spent all this time and money and using the conflict and
33:57
stability fund. I think there was some money out
33:59
allocated for that, maybe about 30 million during that period,
34:03
2017 to 2020, Conflict, stability and security fund.
34:07
There's a lot of stuff that gets trafficked through that fund, as
34:10
you know, Charles, and if you want to look at the book TJ
34:13
Coles, Britain's Secret Wars, excellent book.
34:16
And we were both at the same university doing postgraduate
34:19
research as well, so in Plymouth.
34:21
And TJ Coles is a fantastic top flight researcher.
34:25
I just want to point that out, but I want to bring Kit back.
34:28
Just say Kit, thank you very much for joining us and we hope
34:32
we'll befall your work on Substack as well as the Grey
34:34
Zone and hopefully we'll be able to talk to you again soon.
34:38
My pleasure. Cheers guys.
34:41
There he goes. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Kit
34:42
Klarenberg. Follow him on Sub Stack.
34:44
Also at The Grey Zone. He's editor of The Grey Zone UK,
34:47
sister publication of The Grey Zone in the US.
34:50
Yeah. Superb.
34:51
Yeah, excellent contribution there from Kitten and we're very
34:53
grateful for it. Also worth pointing out that
34:56
Orbital what actually was a land initiative as well and of course
34:59
LED into OP Interflex, which we've talked about a lot.
35:01
And of course that's, that's drawn a huge amount of not just
35:04
money away from other defence projects in the UK, but also an
35:07
enormous number of people to to run the training programme.
35:10
So it's it's. And by the way, Charles, how
35:12
many of those people trained? How many of those young
35:15
Ukrainian men are still alive? Well, I've.
35:17
Gone through that programme. Funnily enough, I can tell you
35:20
the answer and and that is that that once the training is
35:24
complete, in fact, sorry, this is from a Freedom of Information
35:29
request that I had from the Ministry of Defence, which was
35:32
which units are these guys coming from and where are they
35:35
going back to? And they do not keep a record of
35:37
that. So they have absolutely no idea
35:40
when you deliberately, of course.
35:41
And you look at the disaster like Krinky, which Kit
35:44
Klarenberg was talking about, that the losses were just
35:47
unbelievable. And you know, it's that that
35:50
that discussion never comes up in all of this.
35:53
Yeah, No, it doesn't. Now changing topics somewhat
35:58
onto artificial intelligence or at least obliquely.
36:00
Now we it's well recognised that artificial intelligence is very
36:03
much a double edged sword. And in this instance I think
36:06
what I'd like to do is make the case that it can be in effect
36:10
weaponised by various means as a trap for censorship.
36:15
And I'm going to use as an example a tweet posted recently
36:18
by somebody called David Atherton.
36:20
Now he interestingly has free speech in his Twitter profile
36:23
and describes himself as a journalist, Although I'd like
36:26
you to consider whether or not you would agree with that
36:28
description. Now the tweet reads that a woman
36:31
has been raped at the Adelphi Hotel.
36:33
At 8:00 yesterday, a 49 year old man living in Shropshire was
36:37
arrested. The hotel is owned by the
36:39
Britannia Group, which extensively houses asylum
36:41
seekers, although Grok was unable to confirm it is used for
36:47
that purpose. Now it's perfectly obvious he
36:51
can use the Internet. The Merseyside Police issued a
36:55
statement which said that a 49 year old man from Shropshire was
36:58
arrested on suspicion of the rape of a woman.
37:01
But of course, the wording has been changed just slightly to
37:04
give the impression that the man involved is not a Shropshire
37:07
resident. He's changing it to living in
37:10
Shropshire. He also makes the connection
37:12
between Britannia Hotels and migrants and he doesn't check,
37:16
he asks Grok instead, which if you're unaware and well done you
37:20
if you are unaware, is the AI tool that is sort of deployed,
37:26
utilised by Twitter to apparently provide answers to
37:29
things that people can't think of for themselves.
37:32
And the algorithm on top of all this rewards this tweet with
37:36
469,000 views, which is a really important point to make because
37:41
in considering what the comments might be about, I think it's
37:45
fairly obvious that the insinuation here is such that he
37:48
is certain that he knows the identity or indeed the ethnicity
37:52
of the suspect. But of course, had he done a
37:55
little bit more research, he would have found that Britannia
37:59
Hotels has, on the website the Adelphi Hotel, listed clearly a
38:03
hotel that one can book at and indeed get in touch with and
38:06
find out that it's not a migrant hotel.
38:08
So free speech written down in your Twitter bio is all well and
38:13
good, but of course the point is that careless and indeed
38:17
speculation of a wilfully inflammatory nature is is really
38:22
asking for the type of censorship the regime has no
38:26
trouble in dishing out. Now in another example, but sort
38:30
of with a with a different bent on it, this is a tweet again
38:34
from this time Andrew Bridgen picking up a story and doing the
38:38
same in a sense, which is to not attempt at all to verify the
38:42
validity of it. And in fact, following any doubt
38:46
in the comments has actually doubled down on it.
38:49
And if you're not able to see this is the story that's been
38:52
doing the rounds now discredited that 2 British Army colonels and
38:56
a Secret Intelligence Service person were captured by Russian
39:02
special forces. Now there are no primary sources
39:04
given for any of this on either side.
39:07
Nonetheless, it's been put out absolutely across the board,
39:09
even by the Africa Times here via Adibukala Adibiego, who I
39:16
think is probably Nigerian, although interestingly his news
39:19
organisation, at least on LinkedIn, is listed as being in
39:22
Florida. Now this has been reported as
39:26
coming from the Norwegian Steigen paper, which has issued
39:29
a correction. But of course the point here is
39:32
that these corrections are never ever brought through the
39:35
mainstream. So instead the story is
39:37
discredited. All those that put the story out
39:39
are discredited. But what I want to point out is,
39:42
is the use of AI. Now this is the photograph that
39:44
went with the article, which at first glance might well look
39:47
like to British colonels, but I'll just take you around the
39:51
photograph by means of this red arrow, which if you can't see
39:55
it, I apologise. But you'll notice how the
39:56
passports first of all don't have actual proper text on them,
40:00
but they appear to be hovering in the air, very obviously not
40:03
actually resting on the knee. Furthermore, that is not the
40:08
type of belt that would be worn by a member of the armed forces.
40:11
That is not a piece of issue kit and again, the belts are.
40:14
That different from one another, again, we have a missing piece
40:18
of the uniform. There would normally be a rank
40:21
slide at that point on the current iteration of the DPM.
40:23
The pattern itself is also wrong.
40:25
So that's another a tell. And then a question is what is
40:29
this? I think it's supposed to suggest
40:31
that it's part of the PRR radio set, but of course there is no
40:36
such device that looks exactly like that.
40:38
So again, sort of slightly unanswered.
40:40
And finally, perhaps my favorite is this weapon, which is quite
40:43
clearly being held wrong way round.
40:45
So you can see just over the chap on the left right shoulder,
40:48
there is a effectively a hand on what what should be a pistol
40:52
grip, except the the weapon is back front.
40:54
So if you spend any time looking at it, it's actually blindingly
40:56
obvious that it is a fake photograph.
40:58
But it was used in such a way as to suggest there was something
41:02
to this story. Now, I mentioned that Steigen,
41:05
where the the story is supposed to have come from, had issued a
41:09
correction. And of course that's going to be
41:11
lost in the sands of time. George Gallagher also reported
41:16
on this, and I'd just like to just give an idea of of how this
41:19
can be considered when it is addressed critically.
41:22
So here's Scott Ritter talking to George Galloway about this.
41:26
Having thought about it, I. Mean war tourism is just another
41:32
code word for espionage for carrying out intelligence
41:36
activities. Having a pair of colonels do
41:39
this though, is is is where I start to the where the narrative
41:45
starts to lose me. People tend to forget that you
41:49
don't become a Colonel because you're a sprightly young,
41:52
athletic individual. You're a Colonel because you've
41:55
been around for a while. Your brain may work better than
41:58
others because it's been stuffed with more information and you've
42:01
had higher levels of, you know, command experience, but your
42:05
knees don't work. Your back doesn't work.
42:08
The last thing a Colonel wants to be doing is war tourism in an
42:11
actual war. So this is where the narrative
42:14
falls apart. I until I see the colonel's
42:17
paraded forward, you know in in non AI generated imagery, I'm
42:24
going to treat this story with a little bit of circumspect.
42:29
Quite right. It just illustrates how AI can
42:32
be used for nefarious ends. Indeed, had the story had any
42:35
veracity to it, simply by putting out artificially
42:39
generated images could sow that element of doubt and make it
42:43
look like it wasn't real. And I would just conclude by
42:45
saying the reason this is important is because, of course,
42:48
the Online Safety Act is dealing with all these sorts of issues
42:52
and indeed suppressing free speech absolutely across the
42:57
board. So I would encourage you, if you
42:58
haven't done so already, to sign this petition, which is on
43:01
screen now. There'll be a link in the show
43:03
notes which is to repeal the Online Safety Act.
43:05
And as of, I think first thing this morning, just over 5000,
43:08
sorry, 500,000 signatures. So I think a long way to go yet,
43:12
but something very important that we keep pushing.
43:14
And I might add, even George Galloway got roped into that
43:17
story and tweeted about it unknowingly.
43:20
So a lot of top accounts basically took the on that, and
43:24
a lot of them have come back and acknowledge that that was a
43:26
mistake. So fair play.
43:27
But this is fake news and it could be generated by humans or
43:31
it could be generated by AI. The Grok thing really scares me,
43:34
and I always warned about that, is that the final source of
43:37
truth cannot be an AI engine. And this is what Elon Musk's
43:40
vision of the future of news and media is.
43:43
He says in the future, Grok will be the source of truth.
43:46
He's quoted as saying that we've showed this as well previously
43:49
on the on the program, Charles. So, yeah, a lot to talk about
43:52
there in the future. Let's continue that debate.
43:54
But very briefly, I'll just mention this.
43:57
There's meant to be some kind of a summit between Trump and
44:00
Putin. Much has been made of this, of
44:03
course. And with all difficult divorce
44:05
proceedings, Charles, what do you do with the kids?
44:08
That's the big question. And then Zelensky is the other
44:11
part of that tripod. So Trump and Putin, this is a
44:14
couple of days ago to meet in coming days.
44:17
And then suddenly, Charles, it changes and it's now Trump's
44:21
Ukraine deadline for Putin arrives and uncertainty remains
44:24
over the possible meeting. So now they're arguing over.
44:27
And this is exactly what I had said on Daniel Davis''s podcast
44:30
yesterday. As I said, I don't believe any
44:32
of this because I know the Russians don't really regard
44:35
Zelensky as a party to any enduring political or negotiated
44:41
settlement. So he's the problem actually.
44:43
So this is just going to get kicked back, I think, to square
44:46
one again, and we might be in another protracted cycle of not
44:50
knowing what's going on. In the meantime, nuclear threats
44:53
are being made here by Trump threatening, basically
44:56
telegraphing US nuclear deterrent, submarines carrying
45:01
nuclear tipped Tomahawk missiles or even conventional missiles,
45:06
tell him where he's going to park them to basically send a
45:09
message to Medvedev and to the Russians that the US is a strong
45:13
nuclear force and they mean business.
45:15
I mean, what on earth is AUS president doing engaging in this
45:19
type of rhetoric on social media?
45:22
I can't think of a worse thing that a chief executive of a
45:25
world superpower, especially the global hegemon, could be doing
45:29
at this particular time in history.
45:32
But then again, I'm not on Trump's cabinet team, so I
45:34
really don't have much input in the matter.
45:37
We just have to sit back and cross our fingers that World War
45:40
3 isn't going to kick off. Yeah, there's there's something
45:43
in the air, that's for sure. And that leads well into what
45:45
I'm just about to talk about, which is what's being described
45:48
as space blindness. Now if you haven't heard of it,
45:51
then I really wouldn't blame you.
45:52
But this is the term that's been used by Major General Paul
45:55
Tedman, who's the commander, UK Space Commander, and he's just
45:59
delivered an address at the Royal United Services Institute.
46:02
And he's describing the era that we are in as being a new space
46:07
age and the important of outer space and global affairs as
46:10
being never more evident. No longer just a frontier for
46:14
scientific exploration, he says space is now a domain of
46:18
strategic, economic and political competition.
46:21
And he goes on to say that the national dependency on space is
46:25
being increasingly being held at risk by space risks and threats.
46:31
So he he's straight away suggesting that there are going
46:33
to be problems down the track. He's saying that there are over
46:36
80 nations with space projects and critically here.
46:39
And this goes straight back to what Patrick's just been saying
46:41
about Trump. He says access is no longer
46:43
enough. We must be able to control
46:46
space, defend our assets and if required deny its use to hostile
46:53
actors. Well, he qualifies it, or at
46:56
least attempts to, by saying no one wants a war in space and it
47:00
is certainly not inevitable, whilst at the same time I would
47:03
say making it sound as though it is pretty much inevitable.
47:07
He says that we've been working across government as one space,
47:10
so the same language despite the fact that we're in a somewhat
47:13
different arena and talking about effective governance.
47:17
Of course he is, but he does say that we're going to, we're not
47:19
going to do this alone. And I think this is a critical
47:21
part of it. Space is the Ultimate Team
47:23
sport. So being clear on what needs to
47:25
be nationally separable capabilities to assure effects
47:29
and provide us strategic autonomy.
47:31
I won't go on and over quote what he says, but but a critical
47:35
part of this is the fact that in order to do all this, he is
47:38
completely and utterly reliant upon corporations and he has no
47:44
control over what they're going to do or indeed how they're
47:47
going to regard him and his plans in the future.
47:51
But he still continues with this extremely hostile language.
47:54
He talks about deterring and to endure a first mover strike and
47:59
only if necessary fight through and win.
48:01
So it's an incredible language really.
48:04
But it coincides with an announcement about high altitude
48:08
balloons, which again are being considered to be a defence
48:10
capability, and my altitude balloons to conduct
48:13
intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions.
48:16
And again, here we go, the same old refrain, boosting national
48:19
security and delivering on the government's plan for change.
48:22
Now the future use of balloons could they say support
48:28
operations and reliable communication as well as
48:32
providing information for weather, weather forecasting and
48:35
climate research. So the sense that defence and
48:39
meteorology are intertwined is of course something we've talked
48:42
about quite a lot in the past, but interesting to see that it
48:44
crops up here. And the other thing I would like
48:46
to draw your attention to is that the nuclear deterrent video
48:50
here shown on screen has just been re released by the
48:53
government literally in the last couple of days.
48:54
And one might question, given again what Patrick's just said
48:57
and the rhetoric that's coming out of Space Command, why
49:00
exactly in the shadow of Strategic Defence Review, of
49:03
course published within the last month, why all this would be
49:06
coming out now? Now the other thing to draw your
49:09
attention to, which again is very much related to this, is
49:12
Skynet. And I reported on Skynet five
49:15
last year, described as a satellite communications
49:18
capability. But now we're on the next
49:20
iteration, which courses Skynet 6, and it says that it will
49:24
adhere to the concept of Allied by Design.
49:27
And this is something that David Ellis wrote on for UK columns
49:30
some years ago to, to understand where it's all come from.
49:33
You can go and engage with that, but they say that it's going to
49:36
have continued engagement with NATO through the Five Eyes,
49:39
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK and US and other mission
49:43
partners. Now going back to the the
49:46
teamwork element, the vulnerabilities of these sorts
49:48
of programs are monumental because of course the Skynet
49:52
capability is being developed and manufactured by Airbus and
49:55
Space UK and is scheduled for launch like all the other things
49:58
by SpaceX X in 2027. So if the wind changed direction
50:03
and Elon Musk decides that he doesn't actually want to support
50:05
this anymore, then the entire operation is dead in the water.
50:08
And I'm just sort of to create a little bit of thought on this.
50:13
I just draw your attention to the fact that Israel are talking
50:15
about a successful launch for their draw one, the national
50:19
communication satellite, which of course has been enabled by
50:22
SpaceX. So it's very easy to see how by
50:26
inviting people to yet involved, which they do at the bottom of
50:30
their guidance about this, what sort of people will be coming
50:34
forward and for why. So something I think we'll talk
50:38
about more. Will the operation be dead in
50:40
the water? Charles or Elon Musk be dead in?
50:43
Well, there we are. Does he have an option?
50:45
That's an extremely good question and a very good.
50:47
Question, but it's just that the element of corporate controls
50:50
again something we've talked about a lot before it is
50:53
phenomenal and it seems to be overlooked.
50:54
It's never actually addressed the the assumption is made that
50:57
this will just and and just quickly Elon Musk.
51:00
Boasted that he provides the backbone for the Ukrainian
51:04
military on the frontline with Starlink.
51:07
So without Starlink, there's no Ukrainian military can't do any
51:11
of what they've been doing against Russia.
51:12
So it it is really pivotal. And that's just one operation
51:16
where they're using this and deploying this.
51:19
It's happening all around the world.
51:20
Yeah, no moving on. I, I said earlier.
51:23
We're going to be considering what's going on in the minds of
51:25
younger people. And we're, we're often to be
51:27
found talking about the, the, the younger folks, of course,
51:30
they are the future for society. What is it that they're thinking
51:33
and doing? And I'm going to now go to a
51:35
report from Wilsey, which is dealing with an event held held
51:40
recently by the Cathedral, which is a nightclub with more to it
51:44
than that, which has been running for three years.
51:46
So let's have a listen to see what Wilsey's been reporting on
51:50
my name. Is Nika and.
51:52
At the moment I'm a children's party entertainer.
51:55
My name is Ben Weller. I work for an anti abortion
51:59
organisation called SPC. I'm Preston Bates, I'm
52:02
independent journalist and entrepreneur.
52:04
My name is Matthew Lamore and. And I run this club which is the
52:08
cathedral, just come in for a little social.
52:11
Meet up. Haven't seen people in ages, So
52:13
what has come out with some like minded people down in tonight's
52:18
to meet some lovely people? Yeah, that's what I'm down here
52:22
for. It's amazing.
52:23
It's just good to connect. With like minded peers, music
52:26
and. Nice vibrations, nice people
52:30
around. We're just here to see people
52:31
and hang out. That's fun.
52:33
It's impressive he's managed to get so many people on the boat.
52:35
That's great. I love it.
52:36
The cathedral's birthday. The cathedral is a.
52:40
Nightclub, but it's also a collective of audio visual
52:42
artists, and it's a cultural phenomenon.
52:46
That's a mixed bag, I'll be honest.
52:48
You meet some people who quite honestly, I outright disagree
52:50
with. You also find people who are
52:52
humble. So the kind of people you meet
52:54
is a variation of stubborn. Individuals.
52:58
With opinions that are willing to put that forward without
53:01
being offended and bashed different ideas out.
53:03
Many seem like very open minded. I mean I could have a nice chat
53:11
with them about everything let's say.
53:14
Not even just anti vaxxer anti. Or pharmaceuticals.
53:17
That would be pretty cool. I'd like some more friends who
53:19
are anti or pharmaceuticals. Pro health in terms of taking
53:24
care of themselves, intelligent people that are down to.
53:27
Earth now, they're politics. They're genuine, genuine stand
53:30
people. I do think that we all.
53:33
In general, have a different idea of how we want to see this
53:36
country improved and how we're going to put together our
53:40
combined skills, initiatives, resources to actually make that
53:43
happen. All sorts of different people
53:45
here at the cathedral. It's very much an open space,
53:48
freedom of thought space, freedom of speech space.
53:51
We have a wonderful actually resident communist this evening,
53:56
which is really sweet. He's chatting away to some of
53:58
the kind of dissident right. Really that's what it's about.
54:01
It's building bridges between different belief systems,
54:04
different ways of looking at the world, different ideologies.
54:06
A nightclub is really about cross pollination of different
54:09
tribes, artists, musicians, film makers, writers, but as well as
54:14
technologists, podcasters, philosophers, theorists.
54:20
It's a very cerebral scene. As you can see.
54:22
There's a lot of people chatting, there's a lot of talk
54:24
and that's really what what it's about.
54:26
There's also dancing going on downstairs.
54:29
It's really an attempt to create.
54:33
Something that is bigger. Than the sum of its parts.
54:36
It's about the people. The people are the most
54:37
important thing and there's some really beautiful and brilliant
54:42
people in our country today and it's about bringing them
54:46
together and hopefully I'm building some positivity.
54:53
What do you think about the development?
54:55
Of sort of youth counterculture, the youth counterculture.
54:58
I think it's awesome. I spent almost my entire life
55:02
thinking, why do I not fit in with people?
55:06
Why do I have different thoughts to just the mainstream pop
55:09
culture? And then when locked down here,
55:12
it actually kind of make made sense because before that I
55:17
didn't know why I was like a different wavelength.
55:21
But the fact that youth are speaking out about this as well
55:26
is just extra powerful because we finally have not just the
55:31
older generations as great as they are with their wisdom and
55:35
their other attributes, but we also we're really cool.
55:41
I think in the youth movement. I think there's definitely an
55:45
uprising in the youth. Maybe, maybe it's just I'm
55:49
tapping into a minority. Maybe it's just wishful
55:51
thinking. Oh, it's good.
55:53
It's what we need. We all need this.
55:55
We all need our own little parties and stuff because as
55:59
always, the mainstream, you know, we need the dissident meet
56:02
up. It needs to happen.
56:03
I think it's happened in America.
56:04
And it's worked well. I think the problem is here is
56:08
that we've got bad, bad optics in the to be.
56:13
Simple. Everything's very grainy.
56:14
And quite a few people are very ugly and we need to do what the
56:18
Americans have done and actually organise it better and make it
56:22
more attractive to people that aren't on our side, the young
56:25
people who are here. Are finding confidence in in
56:30
their beliefs and in in what they stand for because they're
56:33
they're being backed up by their elders.
56:37
And I think that's been really missing in London for a number
56:40
of years to have I hate. It it's not validation, it's
56:45
not. About that, it's.
56:47
It's about. It's about support more than
56:49
validation. It's about.
56:53
Daring to being. Encouraged to dare to think
56:56
differently. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye,
57:19
goodbye. You can wear swimming swimming
57:28
trunks in case you go. Forward.
57:30
Yes. Come on, we need it.
57:34
Well, they went the distance. Building bridges.
57:38
What fun. Yeah, yeah.
57:39
I wonder if we'll make. The cut for the next one, what
57:40
fun. Look one thing.
57:42
I just want to say quickly, she said.
57:44
You know, the counterculture, it's hard for the counterculture
57:47
is something I try to say at events over the years is that
57:50
it's disempowering for people who class themselves as
57:54
independent or alternative to call themselves the
57:56
counterculture. They, they are the culture.
57:59
At least you need to believe that you're the culture.
58:01
The counterculture is McDonald's.
58:03
It's corporate banking. It's mainstream media.
58:07
That's the counterculture. You are the culture.
58:09
Independent, grassroots mainstream is the actual
58:12
culture. Yeah.
58:13
So it's just, it's a slight twist, but I think it's a very
58:16
good point. You're absolutely right, yeah.
58:17
Change of mindset. Now I've had another protracted
58:22
communication with Defra and I wrote to them in the in the wake
58:26
of the Strategic Defence Review and all the other various papers
58:29
that have come out recently about national security, asking
58:31
how on earth Defra are actually going to make it it work.
58:34
Because it is perfectly clear that self-sufficiency in terms
58:37
of food security is not at all realistic and hasn't been for
58:41
some considerable period of time.
58:44
I asked them a range of questions about this and indeed
58:47
whether they would consider bringing in rationing or at what
58:51
point they would consider taking land back out of what they call
58:53
environmental Land Management and back into food production.
58:57
And indeed, at what point they would consider dismantling
59:00
renewable energy projects that were taking up huge swathes of
59:03
land in order to produce more food.
59:07
Now I think you can probably tell more or less where this is
59:10
going, but the answer which was very long and very woolly was in
59:14
effect that they have absolutely no plan to do any of that.
59:19
And and indeed the final question was by what date will
59:25
the UK have achieved 100% self-sufficiency?
59:28
And not a single question was answered.
59:30
Now for background, food security, although talked about
59:33
a lot by government and government ministers is not in
59:36
fact bound at all in statute. There are three references to it
59:39
on the statute book and they're only in the sense that it's
59:43
consideration when drawing up environmental Land Management or
59:47
nature recovery schemes. So they said that they are
59:52
engaging with the wider resilience and CNI community
59:57
talking about this critical national infrastructure, which
59:59
of course is exactly how space is being regarded.
1:00:02
So all these sorts of phrases used with gay abandoned, saying
1:00:07
they're aligned to the Ministry of Defence to ensure that
1:00:09
impacts on the food supply are considered and that they're.
1:00:12
Is contingency planning going on and all that kind of thing?
1:00:15
They threw out the figure of £2.7 billion saying that's
1:00:18
invested, invested in sustainable farming and nature
1:00:20
recovery. Again, so not really addressing
1:00:22
any of the questions that I asked, which of course was to do
1:00:24
with the production of food, but just to qualify that that sum
1:00:28
would disappear in just over 5 days if it were given to the
1:00:31
National Health Service. Now in terms of how land is
1:00:35
used, the other thing I want to just draw your attention to
1:00:38
here, pointed out by The Gazette and Herald in Wiltshire, is that
1:00:41
caution is now being lined up for a 450 MW site for a battery
1:00:45
energy storage system. And if you're not aware of what
1:00:48
that is, then please do go to the farming section on the UK
1:00:51
column website because there's a lot of detail about the inherent
1:00:54
unsafety, if that's word, of these things in their lithium
1:00:59
ion factory facilities, which have a very poor track record
1:01:02
already. And that's in a way beside the
1:01:04
point. The point is that fire services
1:01:07
have declared that they have no means of doing anything about
1:01:09
these. This is due to be going ahead
1:01:13
apparently, although not actually shown on the Renewable
1:01:16
Energy Planning database as yet. Just up the road a few months
1:01:20
ago in just outside Cirencester at Preston, there was a fire
1:01:23
that broke out there on a solar farm, which also has a battery
1:01:26
capability. So it's not as these these
1:01:29
things don't happen. And of course the environmental
1:01:31
catastrophe is absolutely terrible.
1:01:33
Corsham is a small market town in Wiltshire and this is the
1:01:37
planning database, as I say, which doesn't show this
1:01:39
particular projected facility, but just to give an idea, that's
1:01:43
a probably only a 10 mile radius and that's the number of battery
1:01:46
facilities that are already in play or designed to be in play
1:01:52
in that area. And obviously the plan for many
1:01:54
more. Now, on a related note, in terms
1:01:57
of land that's being taken away, we've got the Ministry of
1:02:01
Housing, Communities and Local Government talking of about the
1:02:04
sale of allotment spaces, which was a story that reared it's had
1:02:07
a couple of weeks ago with Angela Rayner, supposedly the
1:02:11
the demon in the piece saying that that land could indeed be
1:02:16
sold by local governments, local authorities.
1:02:19
Now there's some controversy about this, but the blog post
1:02:22
says that for the sites to be solved, councils must get
1:02:25
approval from the department and they can only be solved where
1:02:28
this is absolutely necessary and where the legal threshold is
1:02:31
met. Well, of course, it entirely
1:02:33
depends on the very subjective nature of that point as to
1:02:36
whether this will happen or not. Now, just to highlight the
1:02:40
extraordinary sort of inconsistencies and absurdities
1:02:44
and inefficiencies of it. There's there's one instance
1:02:47
where for an application by Elstree and Borehamwood Town
1:02:51
disposed of 54 allotment plots in order to construct 100 and
1:02:54
8086 homes. And as part of the application
1:02:58
an adjacent piece of land is going to be developed for 100
1:03:01
allotment places. So somebody's going to have to
1:03:04
explain exactly how that makes any kind of sense at all.
1:03:09
Another issue we've talked about a lot in terms of resources and
1:03:12
indeed access to land is artificial intelligence, which
1:03:14
is taking up increasing amounts of land.
1:03:16
Of course, we talked about Stargate in the project in
1:03:19
Abilene in Texas, which is reported here by the Austin
1:03:22
Chronicle. And they've got the picture
1:03:24
really, that these sorts of facilities, this is the
1:03:27
projected set up for Stargate, is going to be taking over vast,
1:03:32
Vast tracts of land. But the issue here is 1
1:03:35
concerning water, which of course is to suggest that water
1:03:38
is going to be prioritised for artificial intelligence,
1:03:40
something I was talking about just the other day, but is not
1:03:43
being confirmed by any government department in the UK.
1:03:45
But it does look like the Austin Chronicle is on something there.
1:03:48
And then we're going to go to Nova Scotia in Canada, where
1:03:52
there's been an exercise of powers which is really
1:03:54
normalising the restriction of control of access to land.
1:03:58
So in effect, what's been happening now is that the
1:04:01
minister has been prohibiting access to the woods on the basis
1:04:06
that there is a risk of fire. And there the quote on screen
1:04:10
there, the minister does hereby prohibit entry into the woods
1:04:14
without a valid travel travel permit.
1:04:17
So the point that falls out of this of course is that it's not
1:04:20
so much that access has been restricted, whether or not
1:04:23
there's a legitimate reason. It's more that to access it you
1:04:26
need a permit. And this is in effect to
1:04:28
normalise the idea that there will be some sort of control
1:04:32
mechanism which will enable you to access land in the future.
1:04:35
And if you think of the way in which the natural environment
1:04:38
now is being described in terms of natural capital and green
1:04:40
spaces and blue spaces, I think we have to be very much aware
1:04:43
that this is coming, coming down the track and seems to be
1:04:46
playing out in Nova Scotia. Yeah, it could be.
1:04:50
It could. Be the tokenization of nature,
1:04:52
the financialization of nature, these are all part of a World
1:04:55
Economic Forum of future projections and programs.
1:04:59
So we could see the convergence of some of these agendas through
1:05:02
this type of mechanism. Absolutely right now.
1:05:06
But to to cheer the mood and to set you up for the weekend and
1:05:10
to create more of a buzz about our event happening in October,
1:05:15
I'm very pleased to announce that our first speaker that we
1:05:19
are going to be talking about is Andrew Wakefield.
1:05:22
Doctor Andrew Wakefield will be speaking at our event in York
1:05:26
and we are extremely excited about this.
1:05:28
Andrew Wakefield, of course, almost single handedly
1:05:31
responsible for changing the way in which a huge number of people
1:05:35
in the world think about vaccines in specifically, but
1:05:39
also pharmaceutical products in general.
1:05:41
And indeed, he's going to be talking about what happened to
1:05:45
him with his career after exposing what he'd found back in
1:05:49
the 90s pertaining to two vaccines, but also about a film
1:05:54
that he has produced in recent years called Protocol 7, which
1:05:57
we've talked about before. And I'm very pleased to say that
1:06:01
if you have bought a ticket, you will have digital access to
1:06:05
Protocol 7 after the York event. And that applies to you if you
1:06:09
are buying a ticket for the live stream as well.
1:06:11
And I've seen it, it is an absolutely phenomenal film.
1:06:14
So just another reason to get a ticket, whether for the live
1:06:17
stream or indeed for the in person event itself.
1:06:20
But Andrew Wakefield will be there.
1:06:22
Please come along and listen to him.
1:06:24
On that note, we will close that programme.
1:06:26
So I'll say thank you very much to Patrick for joining me in the
1:06:28
studio. Very Many thanks Kit Klarenberg
1:06:31
and please do go and follow his material via all various links
1:06:34
in the show notes. And indeed to Willsey with
1:06:36
another excellent report. And I just remind you that the
1:06:40
German Warfare Banter session will be going out at 7:00
1:06:42
tonight. If you are a member, please stay
1:06:44
on for extra time, which will be in just a few minutes.
1:06:47
And indeed, have a lovely weekend.
1:06:50
Please join us for the news programme on Monday at 1:00.
1:06:53
Bye bye.