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American Idol Star Trembles in Court, Wife Shot Dead Over Church Mistress · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Tonight, an American Idol star's wife is shot execution style
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  Speaker 1: asleep in her own bed. That's right. Two bullets to
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  Speaker 1: the back of the head and the star's mistress takes
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  Speaker 1: the stand in his murder trial. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Is she gone? Just look at me. Look at me.
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  Speaker 2: Take a breath. Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Flynn, you have several charges here. Count one is a
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  Speaker 3: murder charge. Two and three are both felonious assault charges.
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  Speaker 3: Count four is tampering with evidence. Count five is tampering
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  Speaker 3: with evidence.
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  Speaker 1: As we go to air, a jury has spoken. In
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  Speaker 1: the case of an American Idol star, suspect number one
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  Speaker 1: in the execution-style murder of his wife. Dave, what happened?
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  Speaker 4: On the ninth day of the murder trial and a
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  Speaker 4: little more than two hours of deliberations, the jury came
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  Speaker 4: back guilty on all nine charges. The former American Idol contestant,
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  Speaker 4: Caleb Flynn, guilty of murdering his wife.
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  Speaker 5: My name is Caleb Flynn. I'm from Tip City, Ohio.
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  Speaker 5: I auditioned because... I'm sure everybody says it, but music
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  Speaker 5: is all I know. It's what I live to do,
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  Speaker 5: and I love to sing, so that's why I auditioned.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe my wife kind of nudged me a little bit, too.
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  Speaker 5: My first thought when I got my golden ticket, honestly,
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  Speaker 5: all I could do was cover my face because I
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  Speaker 5: cried a little bit. I'm kind of a crybaby. I
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  Speaker 5: get it from my mom and my dad.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that makes me unique.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I absolutely love the Lord. I love my
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  Speaker 5: wife more than anything. She is very, very pretty.
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  Speaker 6: Just, oof, I love her.
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  Speaker 5: But, you know, I'm just a normal person who absolutely
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  Speaker 5: loves to sing. My favorite past Idol contestant would probably
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  Speaker 5: be Carrie Underwood. I promise you, if my wife dyed
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  Speaker 5: her hair blonde, she would look just like her.
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  Speaker 1: In a few moments, I'm going to play some excruciating
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  Speaker 1: lyrics that he tracked for his lover song. If you
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  Speaker 1: could have seen the looks, especially the women in that
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  Speaker 1: courtroom were giving, it was painful to listen to him
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  Speaker 1: go on and on about his mistress in song. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get right down to it. A woman murdered in her
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  Speaker 1: own bed, shot execution style twice to the back of
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  Speaker 1: the head. And here's the poisonous icing on the sour cake.
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  Speaker 1: Their two little girls were home at the time Mommy
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  Speaker 1: was murdered. That's going to take a lifetime of therapy
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  Speaker 1: for them to get through that. But I want you
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  Speaker 1: to hear something the jury just heard.
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  Speaker 7: Am I in the county?
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  Speaker 2: Not in Ohio? Somebody broke into my home. Somebody broke
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  Speaker 2: into my home and killed my wife. Are they still
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  Speaker 2: in there? I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what's the address? 932 County here in Court, Kingston, Ohio. Please,
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  Speaker 2: please hurry. Please, please hurry. What are you seeing? My wife,
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  Speaker 2: she got two shots to her head. There's blood everywhere. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 9: Sir, please, please.
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  Speaker 2: Ma'am, I need you to take a deep breath, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Do you still see anybody in the house? No, the
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  Speaker 2: door to the garage was wide open. Please, hurry, please. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. My daughters
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  Speaker 2: are here. My daughters are here. Where is she at?
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  Speaker 2: Did a cop just call him ma'am? He apparently reverted
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  Speaker 2: to American Idol falsetto as he was making that 911 call.
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  Speaker 2: Randolph Rice....
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  Speaker 1: Joining me, veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor, but now on
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  Speaker 1: the other side, he is a criminal defense attorney and
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  Speaker 1: wins a lot of cases. He founded Rice Law. Randolph,
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  Speaker 1: good evening. Have you ever noticed how many women are
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  Speaker 1: shot and the home intruder picks them out and then
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  Speaker 1: the husband and the children live? I need to come
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  Speaker 1: up with a statistic on that. It happens a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Have you noticed it, Randolph?
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  Speaker 10: Now, Nancy, that's what's so strange about this case, and
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  Speaker 10: that's why this points to somebody else other than Caleb Flynn,
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  Speaker 10: because it is so strange in nature. The facts of
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  Speaker 10: it don't point towards him. They point to some intruder
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  Speaker 10: that came in the house, execution style, killed his wife,
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  Speaker 10: and then immediately left the home.
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  Speaker 1: Killed the wife for what? Maybe that somehow, for the
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  Speaker 1: first time, I've got my facts wrong. Was something stolen?
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  Speaker 1: Was the home ransacked? Did you know about that and
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  Speaker 1: the jury somehow didn't? We don't.
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  Speaker 10: And that's the problem with the prosecution. And I think
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  Speaker 10: that's the problem with this whole case is because it
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  Speaker 10: is so strange.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. That's the problem with the prosecution?
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  Speaker 10: That's it. Because it is so odd that nothing was taken,
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  Speaker 10: that she was execution style shot in the back of
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  Speaker 10: the head. That's why the prosecution can't put their finger
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  Speaker 10: on anybody else other than Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Flynn. Joining us, in addition to veteran trial lawyer Randolph Rice,
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  Speaker 1: David Sarney is joining us out of Brooklyn. You know
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  Speaker 1: what that means. Former NYPD detective, 27 years, professor, John
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  Speaker 1: Jay College of Criminal Justice. And you can find him
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  Speaker 1: at DS on the media on Insta. David, did you
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  Speaker 1: hear what Randolph Rice just said or did you just
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  Speaker 1: turn down the volume? Because he said it's the state's
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  Speaker 1: problem that the intruder... Didn't steal anything, didn't ransack the home,
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  Speaker 1: and there was no sex attack. So what's the motive? Now,
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  Speaker 1: Rice says that's the state's problem, the prosecution's problem. I
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  Speaker 1: say it's the American Idol star's problem.
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  Speaker 9: Well, you have to think of it this way. The
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  Speaker 9: burden of proof is always on the state to prove
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  Speaker 9: beyond a reasonable doubt. And what detectives have to do
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  Speaker 9: is take the evidence available to them. And there is
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  Speaker 9: a treasure trove of information that they could utilize. It
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  Speaker 9: comes from the initial 911 call. It comes from the video,
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  Speaker 9: the body cameras of the responding officers. And they take
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  Speaker 9: that information. And what you will do with that is
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  Speaker 9: then break down what was said at each time. And
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  Speaker 9: then when you get him to speak to him in
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  Speaker 9: the interrogation room, the box, as we call it, as
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  Speaker 9: I call it, you get you want to see where
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  Speaker 9: his stories become inconsistent. And that's the thing, you're looking
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  Speaker 9: for inconsistencies. And the first thing I noticed at the
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  Speaker 9: 9-1-1 call is he says two shots. At no time
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  Speaker 9: does he say two shots when he calls 9-1-1, I mean,
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  Speaker 9: talks to anybody or the responding officers or during the
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  Speaker 9: interview slash interrogation. So that's something we look at is,
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  Speaker 9: you know, he didn't touch, we looked at things that
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  Speaker 9: are inconsistent with what he said.
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  Speaker 2: In the beginning.
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  Speaker 9: And a lot of things were inconsistent. And it comes
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  Speaker 9: back down to, do you believe what he said? And
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  Speaker 9: we have to refute it, not because of liar, liar,
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  Speaker 9: pants on fire. We have to refute it with facts.
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  Speaker 9: So the investigators, when they sit him down, create a
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  Speaker 9: timeline in that interrogation room so they can now look
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  Speaker 9: to things to refute about what he said to them.
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  Speaker 9: And then the information that you have, plus something was
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  Speaker 9: stolen and there is something stolen, which was the gun.
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  Speaker 9: And he also was very evasive when he spoke to
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  Speaker 9: the responding office about this handgun that was missing from
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  Speaker 9: his car.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Shannon Hill. Guys, here is the so-called
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  Speaker 1: American Idol star singing in his heyday. Shannon Hill, while
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  Speaker 1: we are watching this, Shannon Hill, star of Shannon Hill
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  Speaker 1: News on Insta, the victim, his wife, was shot twice. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, that's from Christian Life Center. Shot twice.
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  Speaker 1: Where on the head was she shot Shannon?
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  Speaker 7: Nancy, I believe it was in the back of her skull.
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  Speaker 7: And interestingly enough, your previous guest just mentioned the 911
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  Speaker 7: call of Caleb saying she was shot twice, which I
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  Speaker 7: think kind of gives us a little bit of a
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  Speaker 7: red flag right there. How did he know she was
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  Speaker 7: shot twice in the head? This woman has hair covering
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  Speaker 7: her head. How did he know?
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  Speaker 1: Shannon Hill, you just read my mind. I have taken
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  Speaker 1: copious notes to ask Joe Scott Morgan on this because
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  Speaker 1: David Sarney brought it up first, okay? Randolph Rice is
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  Speaker 1: trying to ignore it and pretend, look over there, not
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  Speaker 1: over here. Joe Scott Morgan is with us, professor of forensics,
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. He is the star of a YouTube hit,
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  Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. But for our purposes,
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  Speaker 1: he is a death investigator with over 10,000 death scene
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  Speaker 1: investigations under his belt. plus the thousands that he and
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  Speaker 1: I have investigated together, plus all the reenactments that we
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  Speaker 1: have created to help solve crimes. Joe Scott, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us tonight. Exactly what Sarnie and Shannon
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  Speaker 1: Hill were saying, exactly what Randolph Rice doesn't want us
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  Speaker 1: to talk about, you and I have seen a lot
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  Speaker 1: of head injuries, gunshot wounds. And typically, you can't tell
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  Speaker 1: what is going on with the naked eye. Think Travis
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  Speaker 1: Alexander and others. He was stabbed 30 times by Jody Arias,
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  Speaker 1: and the stab wounds were actually overlapping each Or think
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  Speaker 1: about the Idaho 4 murder victims, murdered by Koberger, Brian Koberger.
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  Speaker 1: There were so many wounds, you couldn't make sense of
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  Speaker 1: it until you clean the body and inspect it inch
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  Speaker 1: by inch. Think about it. Just what Shannon Hill was saying.
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  Speaker 1: The wife has long hair and a lot of it thick,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful hair. It was her crowning glory somewhere. Oh, that's
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  Speaker 1: a great shot of what I'm talking about. Thank you. Somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: And all that are two bullet wounds. Now who, other
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  Speaker 1: than a medical examiner that was examining her head closely
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  Speaker 1: could say on the scene, She took two bullet shots
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  Speaker 1: to the head. Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Here's, here's what we do at autopsy so that we
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  Speaker 6: can assess.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 6: Particularly with people that are very, very, uh, hair suit,
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  Speaker 6: they have very thick hair. Nancy, with a case like
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  Speaker 6: this at autopsy, we would actually shave that portion of
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  Speaker 6: the head just so that we could fully appreciate it,
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  Speaker 6: photograph it, that sort of thing. I mean, it's, it,
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  Speaker 6: people don't think that this is, you know, a difficult task,
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  Speaker 6: but it is because you're trying to be careful. Those
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  Speaker 6: wounds themselves are, and the hair as well has evidentiary value.
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  Speaker 6: And so to think that this guy could suddenly be
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  Speaker 6: able to visualize, you know, that there are two defects
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  Speaker 6: in the back of her head without potentially having knowledge of,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, very specific knowledge about pulling a trigger. Here's,
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  Speaker 6: here's another thing, Nancy, that, that we have to think
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  Speaker 6: of the head is the most vascular area of the body.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: What does that mean? Well, when it's traumatized, all of
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  Speaker 6: us can identify if you've ever split your scalp open,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you bleed profusely with two, two gunshot wounds
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  Speaker 6: to the back of the head. She would have bled
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  Speaker 6: copious copiously at the scene, super saturated. He would not
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  Speaker 6: have been able to appreciate these insults to the back
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  Speaker 6: of her head.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you something, Joe Scott, In the
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  Speaker 1: last serial murderer that I tried before I left to
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  Speaker 1: go launch a show with Johnny Cochran, Court TV, when
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  Speaker 1: I looked at my murder victim, her hair, now she
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  Speaker 1: had been strangled, but she had been beaten also. And
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  Speaker 1: her hair, she had beautiful, long, black, thick hair. Her
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  Speaker 1: hair was matted in blood. When I first saw the
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  Speaker 1: picture of the scene where she was found, her body
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  Speaker 1: was dumped, I said, what is that? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if this is ever happening. I guess not, because you're
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  Speaker 1: there on the scene. You don't see autopsy photos. You're there.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't even make head nor tails of what I
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  Speaker 1: was looking at. I remember I looked at the picture,
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  Speaker 1: and I did it like that. I'm like, what is this?
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  Speaker 1: It was a photo of her head from behind. That
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  Speaker 1: just happened to be the photo on the top in
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  Speaker 1: the file. She had been put face down, but her
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  Speaker 1: hair was matted in blood. I didn't even know what
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  Speaker 1: it was until I went to the next picture and
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  Speaker 1: she had been turned over and I could see that
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  Speaker 1: was her hair framing her face on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: My point, the moment I heard him say, she's been
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  Speaker 1: shot twice. That's why you have to shave the victim's head.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you can see how many times they've been shot.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And when you say to be fully appreciated, to see
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  Speaker 1: it in its entirety. So, you know, Sarnie and Shannon
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  Speaker 1: Hill got it right. Randolph Rice is hiding right now
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  Speaker 1: because he's totally busted. But I want to go back
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  Speaker 1: to the 911 call. Do you have any idea how
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  Speaker 1: much I love playing these two a jury? I try.
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  Speaker 2: I try.
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  Speaker 1: To get them in immediately, immediately. And you have to
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  Speaker 1: go through evidentiary hoops to get them in, like the date,
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  Speaker 1: who recorded it, where is it from, has it been altered,
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  Speaker 1: how can you prove it has not been altered? There's
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  Speaker 1: a whole litany of things you have to do. But
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  Speaker 1: by the time you do it 15, 20 times, you
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  Speaker 1: know it by heart. So listen just as the jury
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  Speaker 1: heard this 911 call.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you guys at in the house? I am
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  Speaker 2: in the bedroom with her right now. My daughter is
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  Speaker 2: in their room. So you are not with the children?
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  Speaker 2: I was with the children when it happened. Okay, but
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  Speaker 2: you're not with them now? No, they're in their room.
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  Speaker 2: They're not even awake. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. They are
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  Speaker 2: heading that way, okay? I need you to take a
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  Speaker 2: deep breath for me. Are you hearing anything? No, I
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  Speaker 2: rubbed her leg and said her name. She's not answering.
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  Speaker 2: Her daughter's not answering you? No, they're in the other room.
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  Speaker 2: They're across the room.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Are you hearing any kind of noise inside the house? No.
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  Speaker 1: He rubbed her leg? How about a little CPR, man?
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  Speaker 1: Do something! Completely useless. Karen Stark. I almost said, why
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  Speaker 1: are men so useless? But I'm not going to say that.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark is with me. She is a renowned forensic psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: TV radio trauma expert, consultant. Karen Stark can be found
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  Speaker 1: at KarenStark.com. That's Karen with a C. Karen, you and
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  Speaker 1: I have investigated and covered a lot of cases. He
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  Speaker 1: rubbed her leg. She's freaking dying. And he gives her
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  Speaker 1: a foot massage. What is he saying? And why is
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  Speaker 1: he talking in a falsetto? The 911 op called him ma'am.
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  Speaker 8: What he's doing, Nancy, is he's trying to sound like
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  Speaker 8: he's really upset. And that's his version of hysterical. My wife,
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  Speaker 8: oh my goodness, oh please, please, please. That's what's happening.
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  Speaker 8: And none of it rings true.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, can I just get you to do that one
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  Speaker 1: more time? Just to make sure I heard it correctly.
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  Speaker 1: Could you just do that, reenact one more time? My wife. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: never mind. But wait a minute. Why did you say
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  Speaker 1: he's doing that? Is it for a reason or is
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  Speaker 1: it just instinct?
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  Speaker 8: No, no. He's doing that to show how upset he is.
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  Speaker 8: He's trying to fake like a crying, hysterical kind of voice.
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  Speaker 8: That's what I think. And that's his version of it,
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  Speaker 8: where his pitch is very high.
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  Speaker 1: Are you hearing, Karen Stark, and are you hearing that
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  Speaker 1: the American Idol star rubbed her leg as she's dying?
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  Speaker 10: That makes perfect sense, Nancy. Because remember, he's in the
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  Speaker 10: bedroom with the kids. He hears this shot. He freezes
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  Speaker 10: for a second. And then he goes and checks on
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  Speaker 10: his wife. Now, remember, they'd had some issues in the past.
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  Speaker 10: It wasn't like he was going to go lay in
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  Speaker 10: bed with her, but he rubs her leg, realizing she's
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  Speaker 10: not moving.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean the mistress? What issues in the past?
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  Speaker 1: You mean him having sex with another woman? That issue?
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  Speaker 10: There has been testimony that there was a bit of
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  Speaker 10: friction between the two of them leading up to this.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you call sex with another woman? Friction,
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  Speaker 1: I guess?
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  Speaker 10: Well, they'd been drawing apart. Their relationship had drawn apart.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you put it like that? I don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: Their relationship, like their relationship as an entity, had been
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  Speaker 1: drawn apart. He is boinking another woman. Is that the
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  Speaker 1: friction you're talking about?
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  Speaker 10: Completely separate relationship. I'm talking about Mr. Flynn and his wife, Ashley.
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  Speaker 10: That relationship was separated, which makes the sense that he
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  Speaker 10: comes into the room and rubs her leg in the dark.
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  Speaker 10: Then he realized she's not moving. He turns the light on.
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  Speaker 10: He sees two bullet holes in the back of her head.
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  Speaker 10: And as Joe Scott Morgan said, this is a big
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  Speaker 10: issue that I think the prosecution is going to have,
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  Speaker 10: is that that is the most vascular part of the body.
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  Speaker 10: A lot of blood. What does blood do when the
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  Speaker 10: head gets hit? It sprays. What's not on Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Flynn?
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  Speaker 10: There's no blood on him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what? Dave Mack, joining us in
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  Speaker 1: addition to Shannon Hill, Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: no blood on him. A, is that correct? And B,
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  Speaker 1: did he have time to change clothes? And C... They
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  Speaker 1: did not do a GSR, a gunshot residue on him.
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  Speaker 1: But realistically, Dave Mack, woulda, coulda, shoulda, even if they had,
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  Speaker 1: if he had changed clothes or touched anything, we would
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  Speaker 1: have lost that gunshot residue. It's like baby powder.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, he had plenty of time to do everything like
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  Speaker 11: you just said. They didn't test him. He was able to,
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  Speaker 11: you know, wash up, clean up, change clothes, and do
• 19:08
  Speaker 11: whatever he wanted before he called 911. You know, we
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: still don't know everything he did. We just know that
• 19:13
  Speaker 11: he was up moving around a lot. But any way
• 19:16
  Speaker 11: you look at it, he had plenty of time to
• 19:19
  Speaker 11: wash his hands, wash his face, wash his hair, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 11: put new clothes on before ever even calling 911.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing blood spatter and blood on a light switch.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: That's significant, Joe Scott Morgan, because that tells me he
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: was in contact. The killer was in contact with her
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: body before the light was turned on or off.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: That's a biological clue. Left behind, that's probably a contact
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: smear that you're looking at there. So where does that
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: come from? We don't think that in life she's walking
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: around with her own blood and touching a fixture or
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: any other location. So this has to be post-trauma. Nancy,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: in order for that to transfer onto, you know, say,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: for instance, hands. We see it with people that walk
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: through walk through puddles of blood, you know, and they'll
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: transfer it from their the soles of their shoe to
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: other locations. So, yeah, that's a big indicator here.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Take a look at this more blood evidence. OK, this
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: 9-1-1 is a treasure trove. I've got so much to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: talk to you to talk over tonight with our experts.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And I've got to play the excruciating, agonizing. You might
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: as well just pull my nails off with pliers, hearing
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: him sing his lyrics to his sex partner. But wait,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: 911 first.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, whose face? Your wife's face? She was what? Okay,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: where was she shot at? Okay, is she breathing? Okay,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: she's not responding to you?
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: Okay, do you see any kind of vehicles?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Um, um, no, no. Wait, no, the, the, the door,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: there's a side door in my garage door that's open
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: by the, oh my God. I need you to just
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: take a deep breath for me, okay? Okay, okay. Just
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: get that cloth and I want you to put it
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: on that wound, but don't apply direct pressure to it, okay?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: They're coming to you as quick as they.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: Can, okay?
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, my stars. He laid a cloth on her head.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: He's really going all out. This is after the leg massage.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And the 911 operator is actually trying to console him.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Just take a deep breath. I mean, the fake hyperventilation,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the garage door left wide open. Even my children... at
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: age five, knew to put the garage door down and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: make sure the doors were locked and the outside lights
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: on before they go to bed. At age four. And
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: he leaves the garage door wide open and then thinks
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: in the midst of his wife being shot twice, according
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to him, in the head, which you can't possibly see
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: under those circumstances, he thinks to say, oh, the garage
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: door was open. Hint, hint. The intruder came in through
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the garage door. Wow. How you can make all that
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: out in this fake falsetto, I don't know. But here
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: he is hyperventilating and laying a cloth on his wife's head.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: She's dead. But wait, wait. Here's another clue.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: Listen.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
• 23:37
  Speaker 12: You can call family, by the way.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: They just can't come in this house.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: They're not going to be able to come, like, near
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: the house or anything like that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to call my mom.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: My parents live in Minnesota.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Mom, come on, come on. Oh, my God. She's dead. Mom,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: she's dead.
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: She's dead.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: She's dead.
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: Someone, someone broke in.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Just, she's dead.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: She's gone.
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: She's gone.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: It shot her.
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: She's gone.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: She's gone. I was with the girls.
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: Oh my God.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Mommy.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Mommy.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: She's gone.
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: She's gone.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I can't breathe. The girls don't even know yet. They're
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: still sleeping. I don't know. I don't know. It's not
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: about you. I don't know about you. I don't know
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: about you. The police are here.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Jill?
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: Ashley's gone.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Ashley's gone. She's gone. Someone broke in and shot her.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: She's gone. She's gone. Yeah, she's gone.
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. The cops are here. They said no one
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: can come in the house, but they said I could
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: call you.
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Randolph Rice, I think he made a huge mistake. He
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have auditioned with singing. Acting is really what he's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: good at. I mean, Meryl Streep, back off woman. Do
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you hear this guy?
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: He's in shock, Nancy. Clearly he's in shock and he's
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: trying to reach out to the people that he loves
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: and he's telling them everything he knows.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: His wife is gone.
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: She is dead and somebody broke in. This is great
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: evidence for the defense because this is the closest in time.
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: And you and I both talk about this all the time,
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: about the testimony or the statements made right near the
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: time of crime versus later are so much better. And
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: he's telling them exactly what happened. Someone broke in. Someone
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: killed Ashley. That's the facts.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: As we go to air tonight, the jury has spoken. Guilty.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, what happened?
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Caleb Flynn, the American Idol contestant and former church pastor
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: charged in the death of his wife, Ashley, an original
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: indictment had 11 counts, but two misdemeanor counts were dropped.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: The nine substantive counts were one count of aggravated murder,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: three counts of murder, two felonious assault counts, and Three
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: counts of tampering with evidence. During the nine-day trial, the
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: prosecution called many witnesses, including Flynn's mistress, who now claims
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: to hate him. But the defense chose not to call
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: even one witness, and Caleb Flynn did not testify on
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: his own behalf. In the end, the jury did not
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: believe Ashley Flynn was murdered in a burglary gone wrong.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: They believed a 40-year-old music pastor killed his wife to
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: be with his much younger mistress. Caleb Flynn, guilty on
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: all counts.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: To Shannon Hill joining us from Shannon Hill News on Insta,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: isn't it true that when law enforcement arrived, he, the suspect,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: car was open and the console was opened and he
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: later indicated that is where he kept his gun?
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: That's correct, Nancy. The investigators went to go look at
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: his car and noticed that the console was open and
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: And that is allegedly where Caleb Flynn was keeping his gun,
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: but there was no gun inside that console. And there
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: is still yet to be a gun found at the scene.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So, David Sarney, I would have to believe that a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: perp comes into the home, the garage door is open,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: comes into the home, after breaking into the car, getting
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the gun, coming in, no rape, no sex assault, no theft,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: shoots the woman, the wife, and leaves. Is that... So,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: they find the gun there, and hey... and think, hey,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: this would be a great murder weapon. And then they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: leave with the gun. The gun's never been found.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It doesn't.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: This is the thing.
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: We have to make sense. And this is why detectives
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: do what they do. We look for the truth. Is
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: it reasonable that a car booster, and this is what
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: we talk, we call boosters, people going into a garage
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: to steal property from a vehicle, then decide to take
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: the property in the vehicle, then go into the house,
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: into the one room that the wife is sleeping, shoot,
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: The husband somehow hears it. His kids are sleeping. The
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: dogs apparently are not.
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: Barking.
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: And all of this happens within that timeframe. Is it reasonable?
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: Does it make sense?
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: And it doesn't.
• 29:20
  Speaker 9: So we have to kind of, figure that out. We
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: have to dot the i's and cross the t's with
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: statements that he makes. That's why on the scene, the
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: original cop to respond to that scene do a great
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: job because they stay there with him the whole time.
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: And I'll tell you this, you can get from them,
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: they're not too sure about this guy either. But it's
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: not what we think, it's what we can prove. And
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: this is why you have this trial, is because his
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: statements do not make sense to what happened. He equivocated
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: about the gun being in the house. He didn't say
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: the type of gun because when they asked him about
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: any guns, he didn't talk about the 9mm he kept
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: in his console. And that seems to be a weapon
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: that was used to shoot her. And a person stealing...
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: is not going to decide, I'm going to take more
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: chance to go into one room, take nothing, shoot a woman,
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: and then leave the scene. And that's why the detectives
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: took all this information and had to break down all
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: of his statements to see where it comes down to.
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: The timeline has been created also to create digital evidence
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: that they can go back on to see if anything
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: else was there. Who made the 9-1-1.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Call with me?
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: Were there any calls prior to? We know there are
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: calls after. He calls his mom first, then calls the
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: mother-in-law and tells her she's gone. And that's another thing.
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: Tells the mom she's shot. When he talks to the mother-in-law,
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: he goes, she's gone. And then he includes his story
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: that he wants to continually push, that somebody came in
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: and shot her, which makes no sense.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Dave Matt, Crime Stories investigative reporter. What caliber gun? does
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Caleb Flynn say he owned and that was stolen from
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: his car console?
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: He kept the nine millimeter pistol in the center console
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: of his truck, Nancy.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: And Joe Scott Morgan, we keep showing the bullets that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: clearly were taken either from her head or from the scene.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: What caliber?
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: That's a nine millimeter, Nancy. Um, actually that's a live
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: round right here. That's a nine millimeter round. Um, The
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: team's done a good job of that one image of
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: the projectile. It's actually been mushroomed or deformed slightly. You
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: can even see the striations on the side of it
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: that gives you an indication of rifling. Why is that important? Well,
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: that particular round right there can be assessed by a
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: ballistics expert if they had this weapon that he is
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: alleged to have owned. and they would do test firing
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: with that weapon and compare it to the striations on
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: the bullets or fragments of bullets that were recovered from
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: Ashley at autopsy. And this is critical here in a
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: sense that you can tie this back to the weapon.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: Can you put it in his hand? Well, no, and
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: hell no, because GSR was not performed on him. And
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: why is that important? Well, when you can Early on
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: in an investigation, and investigators miss this a lot because
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of stuff going on, they don't necessarily
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: get to the individual to secure them in order to
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: do the GSR. And just because he had time to
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: clean up and those sorts of things prior to does
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: not relieve you of your duties as an investigator to
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: do this GSR testing. Just to say that you did it,
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: and you never know, you might get lucky and come
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: up with some particulate matter off of his hands. And
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: that's kind of essential. So even though we do have
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: evidence at the scene of gunfire, it doesn't have a
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: lot of utility to it from a forensic standpoint where
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: we can kind of lash all these things together and
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: present it to a jury so that you can say
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: he definitely had a weapon in his hand that was
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: discharged and it's consistent with a 9mm that he is
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: alleged to have owned. We even recovered a projectile from
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: her body and we've got spent brass on the floor.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: We were referring earlier to the garage door being open.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I believe, Shannon Hill, that it was the door leading
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: to the garage from the inside of the home. Correct, Nancy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: The doorknob was broken off of that door, but investigators
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: say that there didn't seem to be any forced entry.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: There was no kicks or pushes to the door that
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: made it look that there was any intruder coming in. Rather,
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: they believe that it was a staged robbery or burglary.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Shannon Hill, Shannon Hill News. A very unusual photo was
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: found on the victim, his wife's devices. I'm talking about
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Ashley Flynn, the mother of his children, his wife of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: nearly 16 years. She was a teacher and a middle
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: school volleyball coach. Here she is. And where was this
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: photo found, Shannon Hill?
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: Yes, Nancy, this photo was found on Ashley Flynn's phone.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: And as you can see, she has Caleb Flynn's face
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: X'd off. And I believe that this was also saved
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: on her phone during a time in which Ashley Flynn
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: had discovered this affair going on between Caleb Flynn and
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: Aaliyah Botner, who was a church co-worker of theirs.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, my stars. Wait a minute. Karen Stark, it's bad
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: enough to cheat on your spouse. You know, just hopping
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: into any motel you can find up and down the interstate,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: probably in the church office. But then a co-worker, somehow
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that makes it worse.
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: No matter which way you look at it, Nancy, it's
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: pretty terrible. And a co-worker, that's taking advantage of the
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: position that he's in as a pastor, where he's taking
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: advantage of a co-worker in a way. You can look
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: at it that way. And They have every opportunity now
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: because they work together to be together and do whatever
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: they want. There is no doubt in my mind that
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: she crossed it off that way with that black X
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: because she is furious and doesn't want him.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Speak of the devil and his imp shall soon appear,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Karen Stark. We're showing you footage that's from Christian Life Center.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, who is that woman singing with the suspect?
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: That's going to be Aaliyah Botner, the mistress.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Now I think I know why his
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: face was X'd out in the wife's pictures. And now
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: you're going to know why. Listen to this, okay? Prepare yourself.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: It's painful.
• 36:00
  Speaker 13: Love at first sight, even though I was scared.
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: They said time is a thing.
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: And life's not fair.
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: But you'll learn.
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: Home like i belong there.
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: Circumstances spoke louder than hearts ever could did what love
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: couldn't fix though i swear that we would if the
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: stars had a line just a moment.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: More we'd be old on.
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: A porch counting dreams not closed doors.
• 36:42
  Speaker 13: We danced on the air. I warned you. The jury
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: had to hear that. Now, correct me if I'm wrong,
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: but Dave.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Mack, Aren't those the songs that he, the American Idol star,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Caleb Flynn, wrote for his sex partner, mistress, whom he
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: met when she was an intern at the church? Is
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that who he's singing to?
• 37:59
  Speaker 11: Exactly who he's singing to, Nancy.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: You know, Randolph Rice joining us, a veteran defense attorney,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you know you've lost the jury when they're like this
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: during the songs. They're going on. They're looking up, they're
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: rolling their eyes. Yeah. They heard these Randolph Rice. Yeah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: And that's not an indication of somebody who would go
• 38:22
  Speaker 10: and kill their wife. I mean, if everybody that wrote
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: cheesy love songs, we'd be locking up all the boy
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: bands in America.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: To his mistress. What, what cheesy love songs to his mistress.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: You left that part out. Those are not to his wife,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the dead woman, the mother of his children, 16 years
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: of marriage. And she got two gunshot wounds to the head.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Those are to his lover.
• 38:45
  Speaker 10: The affair is completely separate. And you've got to look
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: at it that way, Nancy. I know it's hard to
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: sort of put them together and think that they're somehow related.
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: But that was the affair that he was having. He's
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: on trial for the murder of his wife. The evidence
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: has to prove that he was the one who committed this.
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: Not some sort of affair that was going on on
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: the side.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: The evidence. You mean the 18-month affair? The 18-month affair.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: This was not just a one-time fling at the Motel 6.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: This was 18 months with a woman he met when
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: she was an intern at their church where he is
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: a pastor.
• 39:24
  Speaker 10: And he hadn't been charged with any crimes related to
• 39:26
  Speaker 10: that affair, and he's not on trial for that. What
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: he's on trial for is the motel 6. murder of
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: his wife, and the state has to prove that there's
• 39:33
  Speaker 10: evidence that that actually happened. The alternative theory is that
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: somebody broke in, found that gun, was going to do
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: a burglary, and uh-oh, they come across Ashley Flynn. They
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: shoot her real quick, they panic, and.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: They leave the house.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Asleep.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: How did they get panicked because she was asleep?
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: They figure they walked in, this is going to be
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: a clean burglary, and they realize somebody's in the bed.
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: They panic, they shoot her, and they take off out
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: the door. And we don't have a gun. That's the
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: biggest problem here for the prosecution. No gun. How did Mr.
• 40:04
  Speaker 10: Flynn get rid of this gun so quickly? How did
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: he get all the blood off his clothes? How did
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: he get rid of his clothes? Where are the clothes
• 40:09
  Speaker 10: with the blood on it? These are the evidentiary problems
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: that they're going to have in proving this case.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of evidence, I'd like to bring to your
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: attention a text. that the mistress reads out loud in court.
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  Speaker 2: I just wish I didn't say this. I didn't mean it.
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  Speaker 5: It says, it.
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  Speaker 2: Says I want to kill her, Caleb. Who said that?
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  Speaker 3: Me. Next message.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I said it so bad. Next message.
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  Speaker 7: He said that makes two of us.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Crying now. I bet she wasn't crying in the Motel 6.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: That's from our friends at East Idaho News. There's your
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: out right there, Rice. Blame the mistress. Of course, it
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't her, but she writes in a text. She admits,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I want to kill her, Caleb. But the crucial part
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: is that he says that makes two of us.
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: And Nancy, here's the problem that the prosecutor is going
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: to have with this. They say this multiple times. Why
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: do they not take actions or why does he not
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: take an action after he says this? So this is
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: all taken out of context because Caleb Flynn is trying
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: to still keep Ms. Botner around. And he's telling her anything.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Look at your monitor. I was up till 4 a.m.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: last night crying. Stop crying. Literally trying to think of
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: ways to kill her and not go to jail. That's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: from Caleb Flynn. Flynn, you know, the American Idol star
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: who is the suspect number one in his wife's murder.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I was up till 4 a.m. last night crying, literally
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: trying to think of ways to kill her and not
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: go to jail. Okay, David Sarney, look at this. She says,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you took my virginity and my heart. And he says,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: we have to get rid of.
• 42:12
  Speaker 10: * * * *.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: What? Sarney, I mean, right there, your wife, the mother
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of your children, you call her a to top it
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: all off in writing idiot.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: The animosity you're seeing through these texts is massive. I mean,
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: that's the thing we've seen relationships break up. Divorces happen.
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: It will happen, but it comes back to the facts.
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: And we go back to this whole thing again. He's
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: saying that somebody, some intruder came into his house and,
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: took the gun from a console. If you look at
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: the vehicle, you look at his truck, and I've had
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: my car broken into, so I know. They're going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: throw everything around. They're going to toss that car. That
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: car is in pretty good shape for someone who's taking property,
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: takes the gun directly from the console, decides to walk
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: into the house, go to the bedroom where he's not in, surprisingly,
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: gets shot, Then he hears it. He doesn't know what
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: to do.
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: Then he goes.
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: The kids are still sleeping. We don't know why that's
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: the situation. We don't know why the dogs are there.
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: This comes back to the same thing. What facts are there?
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: That's why it takes that timeline, the digital evidence that
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: comes back to show the opportunity that he has, the
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: means and the motive. We know the means as a
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: handgun that he denies almost saying it's a nine millimeter.
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: We also have the fact that he has relationships outside
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: the marriage. And you can see all the text messages.
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: The metadata on that is also important. The phone calls,
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: going to check to see any phone calls prior to
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: the initial 911 call. They also do tracking of his
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: cell phone, tracking of his Apple to see where he
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: is in the house. This is what's so good about
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: sometimes technology. When it works, it's great. When it sucks,
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: it doesn't. But in this case, it worked to prove
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: the circumstantial case against Caleb Flynn that he was involved
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: because that night of all nights, he is not in
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: the bedroom and his wife gets shot. And according to
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: his own words, two shots.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Hey, look at these screenshots. Joe Scott Morgan, I hate
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to like shower you with evidence, but what can I do?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Kill her. I hate her ever living guts. Keep it
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: rolling control room. Look at these texts between mistress and defendant.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I choose you. I'm free. Actions will come tomorrow. This
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: is after she shot. Keep going, please. I need to
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: rid myself of so I can start completely free and
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: give you all of me. Does she really want all
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: of you? I love you. Just give me one more chance.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I love you till the day you die. I need
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: her to die, to cheat again, to leave. I hate
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be anywhere near her. I hate her.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I know it hurts you. I've never hated anyone like
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I do her. Now that is from the mistress. Let's
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: see the rest. Here, now they're worried. Did Ash keep
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: those screenshots of our messages? Ash, of course, is the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: murder victim. What if she recovered them from recently deleted?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Just in case. This could be super bad if she
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: has them. Yeah, I guess so. Because you're talking about
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: killing her. Why couldn't I have married you and had
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: kids with you? It goes on and on and on. She,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the mistress, is pressuring him to do something. Okay, Joe
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, really?
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's laying out, literally laying out the plan here, which,
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: of course, winds up with Ashley having been literally executed
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: immediately in her own bed, shot in the back of
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: the head at, by the way, I might say an
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: indeterminate range. He wasn't like up close on her when
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: she was shot, according to the forensic pathologist, but at
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: least from an indeterminate range in that space that he
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: alone would have had access to. And that's what's so
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: damning about this, Nancy. Out of all the people in
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: the world, why is this perpetrator going to choose this
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: lady as at this particular time, to go into her
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: husband's truck to retrieve a weapon and again enter back
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: into the home and end her life.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Justin Smith, Stone
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Arkansas, shot and killed in the line of duty,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: leaving behind his wife, Lori, and their sons, Ash, Corey,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: and Jared. American hero, Deputy Sheriff Justin Smith. Thank you
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to our guests, but especially to you for being with
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: us tonight. Nancy Grace signing off, but I'll see you
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend.