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  Speaker 1: It is the gold reform.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight the US cracks it with the Albaneza governor demands
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  Speaker 2: more defense spending. Now, plus the greatest drone attack in
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  Speaker 2: history Ukraine humiliates Russian President Vladimir Putin. I'll show you
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  Speaker 2: how it was done and how the clues were then destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lesson to our defense force. Also to note,
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  Speaker 2: Greta Tunberg embarrasses herself by traveling with fossil fuels to Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: I've also talked to Pauline Hanson about a shock result
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  Speaker 2: in the election. She now has as many senators as
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals. But first, the alvenez To government's global warming
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  Speaker 2: crusade is getting more dangerous to farmers now. Last week
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  Speaker 2: and other of those wind generators that it's putting up
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  Speaker 2: all over our bush burst into flames this time. I'm
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  Speaker 2: in great western Victoria, and most worrying is that it
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  Speaker 2: set the grass alight. Fire crews had to be called
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  Speaker 2: back twice to put out the flames. And this fire
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  Speaker 2: was spread like we saw with the wind generator a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, by a burning blade being flung
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  Speaker 2: out and setting the grass alight meters away. That's true,
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  Speaker 2: the risk of one wind generator catching fire is very low.
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  Speaker 2: But we now have three thousand of these things, all
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  Speaker 2: filled with oil, spread all around the bush, with thousands
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  Speaker 2: more planned in just the next five years. Now, sooner
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  Speaker 2: or later one could start a very serious fire already
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  Speaker 2: in Portant, Victoria. Last year one turbine burst into flames.
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  Speaker 2: That was a few months after another in Red Hills,
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  Speaker 2: South Australia that caused the fire that caused more than
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  Speaker 2: two million dollars of damage. In Goldban, New South Wales.
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  Speaker 2: The year before, another turbine bine caught fire, and yet
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  Speaker 2: another that year broke out at Cathedral Rocks, South Australia.
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  Speaker 2: That was the second fire at that same wind farm.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's one more way this green energy revolution of
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  Speaker 2: the albanies A government is making our power system less
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  Speaker 2: secure and more dangerous and of course more expensive. But
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  Speaker 2: this Albany's the government refuses to back down energy and
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  Speaker 2: climate changements of Crispoe yesterday try to claim that if
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  Speaker 2: we didn't keep going with these mad green schemes and
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  Speaker 2: this wind power rollout, we could destroy the world, even
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  Speaker 2: though tiny Australia actually makes no difference to the climate
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  Speaker 2: that anyone can measure.
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  Speaker 3: That zero by twenty fifty was set out by the
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  Speaker 3: IPCC as the minimum action required to avoid the catastrophic
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  Speaker 3: impacts of climate change. I mean, if you're not finet zero,
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  Speaker 3: you're for the catastrophic impacts of climate change.
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  Speaker 2: At least the South Austraian Liberal Party is just for
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  Speaker 2: to say no to Australia's target of slashing emissions through
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  Speaker 2: zero by twenty fifty because of the cost. The United
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  Speaker 2: States under Don Trump has done the same, But Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bone yesterday was saying the Albany is a governments sticking
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  Speaker 2: to our target.
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  Speaker 1: Never mind that cost.
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  Speaker 3: The United States is around twelve percent of emissions globally.
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  Speaker 3: That's a lot, but it doesn't mean that the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the eighty eight percent of US stop doing things.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see how Bowen tried to conure there, implying
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  Speaker 2: that only the US is going.
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  Speaker 1: To scrap the net zero target. Well that's absolutely false.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for a start, just add China, the world's
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  Speaker 2: bigause of emitter by far, add India the third biggest.
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  Speaker 2: I mean together the US, just those three countries alone
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  Speaker 2: are responsible for half the world's emissions, and they say
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  Speaker 2: no to net zero. But twenty fifty, and so do
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  Speaker 2: a lot of other countries. But once again the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Miniter is out there today peddling is fake science. The
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  Speaker 2: make voters think that if we don't go along with
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  Speaker 2: his global warming schemes, we're going to get more climate disasters.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago were saying, oh, if you
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  Speaker 2: don't do that whole zero stuff, we'll get more floods.
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  Speaker 2: Today was suggesting we'll get more droughts. It was in
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  Speaker 2: South Australia. But hey is indeed a drought.
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  Speaker 4: Australia has always had.
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  Speaker 5: Droughts.
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  Speaker 4: We've always had flooding rains and that has occurred throughout
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  Speaker 4: our history on this great continent that we're privileged to
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  Speaker 4: live on. But the truth is that there are more
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  Speaker 4: extreme weather events and they're more intense. Now science told
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  Speaker 4: us that that was the case. The science has been proven,
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  Speaker 4: unfortunately to be playing out. I wanted the climate wars
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  Speaker 4: to end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet that he wants the climate wars to
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  Speaker 2: end because the science is actually against them.
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  Speaker 1: That be proven.
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  Speaker 2: Yet again, it's true there are predictions by some climate
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  Speaker 2: scientists and more droughts in Southern Australia, But the Bible.
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  Speaker 1: Of global warming.
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  Speaker 2: The latest report of the United Nations into Governmental Panel
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  Speaker 2: and Climate Change admits that the record so far doesn't
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  Speaker 2: show an increase. It says there is low confidence in
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  Speaker 2: the emergence of drought frequency and observations for any type
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  Speaker 2: of drought in all regions. There is limited evidence of
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  Speaker 2: drought trends emerging above natural variability in the twenty first century,
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  Speaker 2: and that's confirmed in the rainfall record for South Australia
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  Speaker 2: going back more than a century. Yes, there was a
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  Speaker 2: very bad drought around six years ago, but you look
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  Speaker 2: at the nineteen twenties and the nineteen thirties, nearly two
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  Speaker 2: straight decades of drought followed by a period of high rainfall,
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  Speaker 2: and now looks like somewhere in the middle there is
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  Speaker 2: no real signal there of man made.
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  Speaker 1: Warming at all.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this argument is going to get very intense in
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  Speaker 2: the next three years, especially if the Coalition does decide
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  Speaker 2: to drop its own target of net zero missions by
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifty. But if it is going to do that,
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  Speaker 2: then its MPs must learn this real science and use
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  Speaker 2: it against slave. They've got to dare to argue back,
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  Speaker 2: and I've never seen liberal MPs even dare do what
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  Speaker 2: I've just done here. What will it take for them
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  Speaker 2: to call out this global warming madness? Is it our
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  Speaker 2: bush burning torched by a useless wind farm. Now I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to talk to Greg Sheridan about a stunning development,
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  Speaker 2: the reckless refusal of Antony Albanezi to take the threats
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  Speaker 2: of our countries to our country seriously. Even after America
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday, Warner strodes it spend a lot more fast
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  Speaker 2: on our defense because China is coming. But first, the
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  Speaker 2: contrast with Ukraine, with a country that does know that
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  Speaker 2: Russia and China have formed an ethhally dangerous alliance. A
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  Speaker 2: contrasts with a country that may be outgunned and outnumbered
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  Speaker 2: by Russia as we are by China, but yesterday smashed
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  Speaker 2: it's Russian invader with the most devastating drone strike in history, because.
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine has got brains.
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  Speaker 2: A year and a half ago, Ukraine started a secret
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  Speaker 2: operation to hit Russia's long range bombers. These are nuclear
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  Speaker 2: capable bombers used to attack Ukrainian cities. Now, Ukraine didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the missiles needed for such an operation, but it
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  Speaker 2: has made itself the world leader in drones. But these
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  Speaker 2: bombers with thousands of kilometers away. So Ukraine smuggled its
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  Speaker 2: strones into Russia and packed them into freight containers with
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  Speaker 2: tops that he opened remotely. These containers were then driven
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  Speaker 2: to near four Russian air bases, says Ukraine, one of
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  Speaker 2: them four thousand kilometers away in Siberia, and there they
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  Speaker 2: were let loose, driven remotely by operators all the way
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  Speaker 2: back in Ukraine to hit Russia's hugely expensive long range
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  Speaker 2: bombers and destroy a third of the fleet, more than
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  Speaker 2: forty of them, says Ukraine, eleven billion dollars worth. And
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  Speaker 2: when Russian investigators try to examine the abandoned containers, they're
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  Speaker 2: self destructed to destroy any clues. This operation humiliated Russian
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  Speaker 2: President Vladimir Putin and his FSB that's the Russian intelligence
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  Speaker 2: service once known as the KGB.
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  Speaker 6: N gave you sham. He was jazaras.
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  Speaker 2: It's a more.
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  Speaker 6: Office nasha parachi nasi najom beso porch zuprablinium fores verisi
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  Speaker 6: void oblasty.
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  Speaker 2: One more contrast, Ukraine now builds two million drones a year.
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  Speaker 2: Australia only last year signed contracts with three supplies four
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  Speaker 2: three thousand drones each. The United States warn the Albaneza
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  Speaker 2: government Saturday, it's running out of time. We have to
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  Speaker 2: spend a lot more on our defense very fast. That
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  Speaker 2: warning came from a US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth in
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  Speaker 2: Singapore at the Shangri Lao Security Dialogue, that's Asia's top
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  Speaker 2: defense summit. Heg Seth said there that China's massive military
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  Speaker 2: build up was a clear and present danger.
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  Speaker 7: China seeks to become a hegemonic power in Asia, no doubt,
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  Speaker 7: it hopes to dominate and control too many parts of
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  Speaker 7: this vibrant and vital region. There's no reason to sugarcoat it.
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  Speaker 7: The threat China poses is real and it could be eminent.
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  Speaker 7: We hope not, but it certainly could be. NATO members
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  Speaker 7: are pledging to spend five percent of their GDP on defense,
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  Speaker 7: even Germany, so it doesn't make sense for countries in
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  Speaker 7: Europe to do that while key allies in Asia spend
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  Speaker 7: less on defense in the face of an even more
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  Speaker 7: formidable threat.
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  Speaker 2: Now, our Defense Minister Richard Miles was there and told
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  Speaker 2: Hegseth in a side meeting that as for the China threat,
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  Speaker 2: He agreed with him.
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  Speaker 8: We have seen the.
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  Speaker 7: Biggest conventional militaries in the world the end of the
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  Speaker 7: seven or being undertaken by.
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  Speaker 2: Hime now Hegseth then privately told mars in Australia had
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  Speaker 2: to at least lift this defense spending from two percent
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  Speaker 2: of GDP to al right, not five percent right now,
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  Speaker 2: but at least three and a half percent very fast,
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  Speaker 2: and again Marl seemed sympathetic.
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  Speaker 6: We are very much up for the conversation. And what
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  Speaker 6: I've made clear is that this is a conversation that we.
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  Speaker 9: Are very willing to have, and that's one that we're having.
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  Speaker 1: Home.
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  Speaker 2: There was Anthea Albaneasi he doesn't want to spend anything
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  Speaker 2: like that, and was almost contemptuous today of America's request.
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  Speaker 4: What you should do in defense has decide what you need,
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  Speaker 4: your capability and then provide for it. That's what my
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  Speaker 4: government's doing, investing in our capability and investing in our relationships.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we are doing. That's what we will continue
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  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 2: Join him is the country's top foreign affairs writer, Greg
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  Speaker 2: Sheridan of The Australian Greg this request from the US
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  Speaker 2: to spend a lot more in our defense. How serious
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  Speaker 2: are they in wanting us to step up?
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  Speaker 10: Well, Andrew it's great to be with you. They are
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  Speaker 10: very serious. Indeed, I mean the Alberesi government is pathetic
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  Speaker 10: on national security, and Albernezi treated the Trump administration with contempt.
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  Speaker 10: He also treated his own defense minister with contempt, which
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  Speaker 10: is part of the course. Miles hasn't been able to
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  Speaker 10: secure an extra dollar for the defense budget, and the
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  Speaker 10: whole time he's been in government, he's not a friend
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  Speaker 10: of Albanese. He likes say Penny wong Is and he
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  Speaker 10: gets he loses every budget debate. When Albanese came into office,
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  Speaker 10: we were spending two percent of GDP on defense. We're
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  Speaker 10: still spending two percent of GDP on defense, but we're
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  Speaker 10: now spending an enormous truckload of money on nuclear submarines
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  Speaker 10: and also on these ludicrous hunter frigates, which we're not
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  Speaker 10: going to get for ten years. That means we've cannibalized
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  Speaker 10: what very, very tiny independent defense capability we had. Now
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  Speaker 10: the Trump administration has been astoundingly patient with us. And
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  Speaker 10: I heard a lot of the debate today. You could
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  Speaker 10: hear the journalists ecoing for government's lines. But what about
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  Speaker 10: pine Gap? And we let the Americans come here and
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  Speaker 10: station some of their marines here. We don't do that
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  Speaker 10: out of the goodness of our heart. We do that
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  Speaker 10: for Australian national security. If we didn't have the Americans here,
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  Speaker 10: we would have zero security we have. We'd be utterly defenseless.
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  Speaker 5: As it is.
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  Speaker 10: We have no missile defenses. I mean your very powerful
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  Speaker 10: piece about the Ukrainian drones. We have made almost no
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  Speaker 10: investment at all in drone capability or counter drone capability.
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  Speaker 10: We have no missile defense for all of our northern bases.
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  Speaker 10: Our air force could be wiped out in the first
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  Speaker 10: day of a conflict by a couple of Chinese missiles
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  Speaker 10: and we wouldn't know a thing about it. This is
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  Speaker 10: really a shocking dereliction by the Albanezer government and one
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  Speaker 10: that the Coalition did not pursue properly in opposition in
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  Speaker 10: the last term.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that was just so infuriating, how it buried it
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  Speaker 2: until the defense policy until ten days before voting day.
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  Speaker 1: What happens if.
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  Speaker 2: We do not do as the US suggests and then
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to do it? I mean that you
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  Speaker 2: just saw albany Ze going la la la night listening.
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  Speaker 2: So what would the US reaction be?
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  Speaker 10: I think We've reached a very dangerous moment in our history. Andrew,
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  Speaker 10: I think the alliance is imperiled here. I thought when
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  Speaker 10: he was opposition leader that Alberanezi said everything right on defense,
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  Speaker 10: and I took him at his word. You always want
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  Speaker 10: to take yes for an answer when you're a journalist.
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  Speaker 10: But I think now you've got to say that he
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  Speaker 10: just said whatever was necessary to do the minimum necessary
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  Speaker 10: not to be a threat on security. So he went
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  Speaker 10: along with Orcus and so, and he's not going to
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  Speaker 10: do anything else. Now, Eventually we know that Trump gets
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  Speaker 10: impatient with allies who won't look after themselves. Every US
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  Speaker 10: president since Richard Nixon has been telling allies they have
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  Speaker 10: to make a proportionate effort in their own defense. Now,
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  Speaker 10: why should America defend Australia more than Australia would defend itself.
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  Speaker 10: If Australia went pacifist tomorrow, that would be a small
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  Speaker 10: negative loss to American security. If America ditched the alliance
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  Speaker 10: with US tomorrow, we would be utterly defenseless. We could
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  Speaker 10: quintupple our defense budget and still not get anything like
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  Speaker 10: the security that the Americans provide for us. Not only that,
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  Speaker 10: every single person the Albanese government appointed officially to tell
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  Speaker 10: us about defense policy. Angus Houston, Peter Dean, Dennis Richardson,
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  Speaker 10: and Albanese's hero Kim Beasley have all said we need
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  Speaker 10: at least three percent of GDP on defense just to
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  Speaker 10: do the most basic things to give ourselves some deterrent capability.
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  Speaker 10: And Albanese won't listen to any of them. And he
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  Speaker 10: regards a strategic think tank when it says the same
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  Speaker 10: thing as they should take a good look, good hard
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  Speaker 10: look at themselves, and he treats our ally with contempt. Now,
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  Speaker 10: Albanese's best bet, best hope would be just that Trump
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  Speaker 10: never notices him over the course of the next few years.
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  Speaker 10: But if it's brought to Trump's attention that we are
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  Speaker 10: we are writing checks which only the Americans can cash.
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  Speaker 10: We are subletting our security to the Americans and requiring
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  Speaker 10: them to make all the sacrifice for our security, that
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  Speaker 10: comes to Trump's attention, this alliance is in quite a
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  Speaker 10: lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think you're absolutely right, as I did to
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  Speaker 2: point out that there seems to be a breach between
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  Speaker 2: Males and the Defense mister Richard Males and the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister on what is needed. Males can speak, make all
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  Speaker 2: the fine speeches he likes in Singapore, but our Prime
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  Speaker 2: minister is just not listening. Greek, and I think there's
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  Speaker 2: something really serious going on here.
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  Speaker 1: I have no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: We shall read your further thoughts on this in the
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  Speaker 2: Australian tomorrow. Look forward to reading that. Greg Sheridan, thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much for your time.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me. Now is the panel.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal President Steve Conroy, former Laby
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  Speaker 2: senator and Cabinet minister. Michael I just played contrasting responses
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  Speaker 2: to Pete Hegset, the US Defense Secretary. Pete Hegset's warning
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  Speaker 2: to spend more very quickly because of China being a
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  Speaker 2: clear and present danger. Defense Minister Males is one thing.
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  Speaker 2: To Albanzi says another. Males says, let's discuss spending a
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  Speaker 2: lot more in the defense. Albanizi today ruling it out.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 8: Well, what's going on is this they don't have any
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  Speaker 8: more money to spend. For a start, the billions that
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  Speaker 8: are required Albanies. You would think, well, I can win
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  Speaker 8: more votes spending that somewhere else. So they've got no money.
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  Speaker 8: He doesn't want to be seen to be doing anything
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  Speaker 8: at the beck and call of the Trump administration. He's
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  Speaker 8: a member of the socialist left. He hasn't particularly valued
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  Speaker 8: the relationship with the United States of America. He prefers
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  Speaker 8: the more whitlam esque independent foreign policy. Defense has never
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  Speaker 8: been his thing, and he doesn't think there are many.
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  Speaker 1: Votes in it.
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  Speaker 8: That's the raw politics. So what's gone on today? Males
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  Speaker 8: as the Defense Minister has gone over there and talk
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: real world politics with people, But back here elbow is
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  Speaker 8: just asking how many votes are in it for me?
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  Speaker 8: And that's what is it the with this?
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  Speaker 1: Mate? Well, Stephen, this is a tricky one for you.
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  Speaker 2: You're both China hawk but also a labor power player,
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  Speaker 2: although you are in the Miles side of the factional war.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you on this one?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 11: Look, I think firstly, I was love listening to Greg,
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  Speaker 11: and I particularly remember his columns after the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 11: produced their defense policy orbear, did you say ten weeks sorry,
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  Speaker 11: ten days before the last election? And Greg was very
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  Speaker 11: plain he doesn't know whether he could trust Fence to
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  Speaker 11: correctly spend any amount of money that anybody promised them.
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  Speaker 11: And I tend to have a lot of sympathy for that. Now,
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  Speaker 11: in terms of this alleged split, I want to take
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  Speaker 11: you back in time, all the way to April twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 11: just not that long ago. In an interview the Prime
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  Speaker 11: Minister did with Paul Kelly, and he was asked questions
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  Speaker 11: about would he increase defense spanning and I want to
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  Speaker 11: just read to you what he answered on April twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 11: in an interview with Paul Kelly, he said when asked
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  Speaker 11: if necessary, he would increase the defense budget, Mister Albanese replied, yes,
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  Speaker 11: if we need to invest, we based upon not based
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  Speaker 11: upon a magic number. But what are the assets that
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  Speaker 11: we need?
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  Speaker 1: That's the right question.
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  Speaker 11: And all you saw in Richard over in Shangrila and
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  Speaker 11: Singapore was him politely tap dancing around that you know,
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  Speaker 11: legendary defense secretary that they've got over there, who is
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  Speaker 11: clearly fit for the job. But he he was Richard
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  Speaker 11: was simply being polite. And the primary position is consistent
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  Speaker 11: and clear. If we need a particular asset, we will
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  Speaker 11: buy it now. All the Great's criticism, even around back purchase,
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  Speaker 11: says fair enough. And I would agree with a lot
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  Speaker 11: of what Greg's said criticizing the defense Department and gretforms.
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  Speaker 2: That would sound great, But Michael, the bay Stephen makes
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  Speaker 2: it seem is, oh, here comes China.
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  Speaker 1: I can see the ships there.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Can you just run down the Bunnings and get me
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: three destroyers, five thousand drones, a few missiles and anti
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: drone technology.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way, Michael.
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: Look the defense of this nation, and as Stephen said,
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: Sheridan has written this critical of us and critical of labor,
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: and fair enough to this country cannot defend itself if
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: it was attacked, God's speed.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: We won't be.
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: But you know, no one thinks they're going to be
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: attacked until they are, So this country is basically defenseless.
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: No point saying to whoever comes here, listen, We're going
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: to increase expenditure on defense from one point nine to
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: two point four percent of GDP in five years. See
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: can you wait? Can you wait till we get there?
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's fascical, and in a world where it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: as uncertain and as warlike as I've ever seen in
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: my life, it should be of great concern to the
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: Prime Minister. But as I said, he's not particularly interested
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: in spending money on defense. He doesn't think there are
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: many votes in it, and that's why he batted away
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: the polite mister Miles.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it takes so long to get your military stuff
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: when you think you need it, that it's going to
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: take at least ten years now first of our nuclear subs,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and that is way past when we do need it,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: and that is the whole problem. Green Senator tore into
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Cox Stephen. She this afternoon defected to the Labor Party.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Albertisi said that was great.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Is it really.
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: Looks a couple of points here when a senator decides
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: they want to change parties. I've got a very consistent
• 22:07
  Speaker 11: position on this. If they believe this new party is
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: what the party that they want to represent, they should
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: resign their Senate seat, give the Senate seat back to
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: the party that elected them, and run for endorsement by
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: the new party at the next election and seek a mandate. Then.
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: I've always worked on the philosophy that you'll always leave
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: the dance with the one that brung you and another one.
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: You know, someone who rats once usually rats twice. I mean,
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: some of the policy positions, even in the last few weeks,
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: that she's espoused aren't policies the Labor government support, and
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: I think it's going to be fascinating watching her try
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: and be part of a Labor caucus when she's so
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: publicly on the record on issues like the Northwest Shelf,
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: which we've just made the correct decision on, and she's
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: been opposing for most of her parliamentary career. But at
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: the end of the day, she should resign Labor preselection
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: and seek to represent the Labor Party after getting elected
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: by the Labor Party.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I totally agree.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: A Senate seat I think should be owned by the party, whereas,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: of course I think a lower House seat that can
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: be said to be the individual. They do at least
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: run under their own names and get votes against their name,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: not like in the Senate by and large.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: What do you think is behind it? Michael?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I did notice a note that as of last year
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: about November or something, Drinda Cox had had some twenty
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: staff quit on her in three years or allegations he
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: denied of bullying or party investigations in our she's quitting
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the Greens to go to Labor instead.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: What do you think is behind this?
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: It's great, isn't it When you quit the Labor Party
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: like fatim a Paymer you're a rat. Payment you're a rat.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: You're shocking your beneath contempt when you join the Labor Party.
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: Oh that's the different thing.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: I would put aside the bulling allegations. Put aside the
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: bulling allegations, Andrew put aside the fact that we believe
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: she ran for the deputy leadership last week and didn't
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: get elected. What is really a worry here is she's
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: going to join the socialist left faction Labor Party. But
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: you've got to look at this there indo Cox's history.
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: I mean this is this is one of the most
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: extreme Greens on Israel in the Middle East. Tom Connall
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: did an interview with her last year where she admitted
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: going to many demonstrations yelling from the river to the sea.
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: She is an extremist on Israel. She's amongst the worst
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: of the extreme Greens on the Middle East. When it
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: was pointed out to it by Tom Connells, this statement
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: a arrow meant the destruction of Israel and was first
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: used by the founder of Hamas, she said, well, I
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: don't actually know that much about the Middle East. After all,
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: you know, this is bad news for the sensible center
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: right members and the right of the Labour Party. It's
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: bad news for Marles, it's bad news for Stephen Conroy's faction,
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: but great for Albo because he's got another extremist in
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: his ranks, and she'll sit there with Penny Wong and
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: all these other extremists in.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: The Middle East.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: So that's that's what that's how I look at it. Albanez,
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: he likes the fact, right, Why would anyone who was
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: pro Israel accept an extremists like that into the ALP.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: You'd say your views are extreme and unacceptable if you're
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: shouting that phrase, if you're shouting free Palestine, which is
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: now almost a synonym for neo Nazism, as we've seen
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: in America and on two occasions today and in Washington
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: last week, they've accepted next. I'm not saying she's in
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: the Nazi but I'm simply saying she's got extremist views. Albanize.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: He welcomes her, Well, that's a disgrace. That's a disgrace.
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: He shouldn't have her anywhere near the ALP.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Things fall into place, the jigsaw is done. Michael Kroeger,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Stephen Connory, thinking very much.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: To you both.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: After the break, big result in the Senate in this election.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: The result just declared I think Friday for Pauline Hanson
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and the Nationals should be worried. All the votes for
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the Senate, the election votes have been totaled up and
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the results finally declared and big surprise. One Nation is
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a huge winner. Before the election it had two senators
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson of course and Malcolm Roberts. Now it has
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: two more. There's former army officer and hostage negotiator Warwick
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Stacy from New South Wales and Tyrone Whitten who has
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: an earthworks and construction business who.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Were in Australia. That means One Nation hows as many.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Senators as the Nationals for and the national should be
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: getting nervous about this competition. Joining me is One Nation
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: leader Pauline Hanson. Pauline, congratulations with your success.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: What does it tell you?
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: Thank you well? I must be doing something right, Andrew.
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: I'm connecting with the Australian people. Look, we put out
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: very good policies and for leading into the election to
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: explain to people what we wanted to do, and people
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: are moving away from the major political parties. They want
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: someone who's actually listening to them can understand what is
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: happening in Australia.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: We've been pushing for a lot of things. Remember I
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: was the first one that came out against the Voice.
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: The Nationals followed about two weeks later, the Liberals about
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: four or five months after that. Even to do with
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: the COVID nineteen, I was the first one to come
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: out and pose that we've been on about that, to
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: have Rural Commission into it, to explain where we went
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: wrong with that. A lot of things that we've been
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: standing up for rural and regional areas and fighting for
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: those people. So the Nats haven't really looked after their
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: rural and regional areas. I don't believe to the best
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: of their ability. Like I opposed putting that super critical
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: waste into the Great Artesian Basin. And Susan McDonald, the
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: National Senator for Queensland, she looked across the chambers said
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: I don't agree with you on this one, and thank
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: goodness that the Labor Party in Queensland pulled it, pulled
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: it out and stopped it from happening before the court
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: case went ahead. So you know, there's things that we've
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: been fighting for. People are see the fight that we've
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: taken up to them, especially with net zero. We're totally
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: opposed to that get out of the Paris Agreement. So
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: thinks that we're connecting with the austrained people.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because if you repeat anything like the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: success in the next election, given that three year senators
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: now are there for six years, so two election cycles,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you'll be up in the next election that's four you're
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: guaranteed to win. That would if you get a couple more,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: you will be bigger than the Nationals. You have, you'll
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: have party status in the Senate, extra resources, extra officers.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: What should the Nationals think looking at you?
• 28:46
  Speaker 9: Look Andrews said that I'll win my set. I don't
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: take that for granted at all, and I don't count
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: my chickens before they hatch. We've got to prove to
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: the austrained people now that for the next three years
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: we must prove to them that they're white voter is
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: not wasted. It's about holding the government and the opposition
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: to account and calling them out for when they do
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: it wrong. And we need to put forward good, sensible
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: policies and solutions. It's no good to seeing their winching
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: about anything. Andrew, You've always got to follow through with
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: policy and what would you do differently, And I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: that's what's important about it. We've just got to proof
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: to the Austrange people that we do have common sense policies.
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: We're not extremists, we're not too far to the right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: I think we're more of a centrist party. But we
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: need to get back the economy productivity of the nation.
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: We've got it as the big thing now is defense
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: and having Warwick there with his background in defense, I
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: think it's very important. He'll be the only one in
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: thora Parliament I believe with the experience and knowledge that
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: he has to start asking questions on pum and explaining
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: what's happening. So you know, Malcolm's been fantastic on climate change.
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: No one can come anywhere near him with his experience
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: and knowledge in that regards. And of course Tyran has
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: that background we're here and his brother a thousand people,
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: so that business background, dealing with your industries, industries and
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: also the mining sector. So I bring forward to the
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: Parliament a team of people who are not just yes people,
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: but people have experienced knowledge that I think can improve
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: what we have to offer. In the Parliament and to
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: the people of Australia.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Now you've mentioned climate change twice, then it's zero target
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: in particular has got to go. Now I've started at
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the top of this show pointing out there's been one
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: consequence of you know, dotting the countryside of these wind
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: farms is the fire risk.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I started the top of the show pointing.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Out has been another fire started by wind generator, this
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: time in the Wimmer last week. Are you worried that
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: wind generators could be a fire hazard out bush?
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: Most definitely they are. It's proven that it is happening,
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: and they wanted to put some around the Gimp area
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: and two hundred and ninety meters tall these wind turbines.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: That's what the Labour Party wanted to do. I hope
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: that their coalish and government in Queensland is going to
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: get rid of the LMP in Queensland. They are not
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: needly that to the foreign faunner clearing, you know forest,
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: pristine rainforests that are being cleared to put these these
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: atrocities up. I've got no time for them whatsoever. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: the cost of building this is more on the climate
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: and the emissions they take than what we get out
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: of it in saving in energy costs, which is costingness,
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: you know, billions of dollars to put up transmission lines.
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: It's a joke, It really is a joke. And the
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: people of Australia need to wake up to this and
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: understand and come the next election. Three is time. I
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: hope that they do not give the Labor government another
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: term because we're going to be taxed to the hilt
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: to try and pay for this. You're going to be
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: living in poverty and you won't have the productivity in
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: this nation, will lose industries and manufacturing, the cost and
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: the ordinary household small businesses under because the rising cost
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: of electricity. Got to wake up to ourselves. And hopefully
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: I'll keep raising these issues, asking questions and show the
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: government up for what they are, nothing but hypocrites and
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: lies to the Australian people.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson, let me congratulate you again on your big
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: win in the Senate races. Thank you much, thank you
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: very much for your time.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: After the break.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Greta Tunberg, the goddess of global warming. Well once was
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: sales now to Gaza to save the planet, but this
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: time from Israel. But when I say she's sailing, she
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: might now actually be a climate hypocrite. Six years ago,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Greta Tunberg was a global warming superstar and so pure
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: so against fossil fuels that she refused to fly from
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Europe to New York to.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Give a speech to the Nations.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: She instead went by yacht or sales zero missions solar panels,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: putting up with rough seas for two weeks without even
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: a toilet, anything to save the planet. But Tumberg is
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: now twenty two, not so cute, not so popular.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: So now she is anti Israel and anti countries that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: back it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Yesterday a Greta Tomberg went on a boat sailing from
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Sicily and bound for Gaza to confront those evil Israelis,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: bringing food supplies for supposedly starving Palestinians, although not that
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: much food, to be honest, Nothing like the nearly one
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: hundred trucks of supplies in Israel is in.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Fact letting in.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: But when did Tunberg let facts spoil a good story?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: But this time tumburgers dropped her old global warming principles
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: against fossil fuel. She was planning to go in this
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: ship until it was sabotage. Very fossil fuelly that one,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: but she is now sailing in this one, although here
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: you see it motoring along with mainsail furled. And here
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: is Greta straight into the wind, to judge from the
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: flags behind her, another sign that she's perhaps using motors
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and fossil fuels, as did the activists rubber Duckies when
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: she was being seen off free.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: Free Palistine, Free, free Palistine.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Joining mere Louise Robert Scone. New's contributor Stephen Chavoura, an
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: author and senior lecturer in history at Campion College, as
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Stephen Greta Tunberg brought to gazabove fossil fuels.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Surely not surely so.
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: I mean, it's not a surprise that those on the
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: left often become completely hypocritical. Greta Thunberg has been molded
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: by the radical left since she was a little girl.
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: She has been an Antifa supporter. And you'll notice, yes,
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: she said f Israel real edgy thing to do. One
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: thing she's never said is f harmas not once has
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: she ever called for the hostages to be released. There
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: are still at least twenty living hostages. Greta really embodied.
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: She personifies the worst elements of the left. She's entitled,
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: she's ignorant, she's completely gullible, she sews untruthed into the public.
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: She's completely hypocritical as well. But worst of all, she
• 35:17
  Speaker 12: is completely unaccountable to the media. She is a radical
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: anarchist leftist, and not once has the media ever asked
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: her a single difficult question.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And very black and white, terrible simplifier, what happened to
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: global warming? Then, Louise, if Greta's now busy with Israel,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: or is in fact that link here that you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Israel being rich and capitalistic global warming supposedly, you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: poison caused by capitalism?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Is that the link?
• 35:50
  Speaker 13: Yeah, definitely one of the links I think, Andrew, Look,
• 35:52
  Speaker 13: she was the golden girl of climate alarmas, wasn't she?
• 35:56
  Speaker 13: And now at twenty two that she has duld. She's
• 35:59
  Speaker 13: no longer this teenage prodigy that maybe some parents around
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: the world thought, isn't that great? She's fighting for the
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: planet and have a look at what this little girl's
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: doing and how wonderful she is. But nobody can say
• 36:10
  Speaker 13: that now. If she's anti Israel, she really is painting
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: herself into a corner. I can't believe anyone would support
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: her cause it's hypocritical. And as we've said, the fact
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: that she's going over to Gaza on a diesel powered
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: vessel is just screens hypocrisy. She can't honestly claim to
• 36:28
  Speaker 13: be fighting the good fight anymore. And I don't know
• 36:31
  Speaker 13: what the Palacidians, I guess, have done to deserve Greta,
• 36:33
  Speaker 13: but there you have it, she's now backing them.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Stephen.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: That free free Palestine chant you heard being used to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: serenade Greta sure being associated elsewhere with.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Menace and even violence.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, we aren't due celebrating religious event in Brisbane
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: on the weekend they were harassed by this mob.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: They even chanted for Intofada. In New York.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Two weeks ago, we had two young Israeli diplomats assassinated
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: by an activist also yelling free Palestine. Yesterday in Colorado,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: eight people injured, one critically, by an Egyptian Muslim immigrant
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: also yelling free Palestine areas.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Witnesses are reporting that the subject used a makeshift flamethrower
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: and threw an incendiary device into the crowd. The suspect
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: was heard to yell free Palestine during the attack.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: And I said here he is, I didn't mean the
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: FBI guy.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But anyway, that so many pro Palestine protests Stephens seem
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: so violent and the pro Israel ones not, what does
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that tell you.
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: Well, it tells me that the pro Palestine movement, it
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: has been very influenced by Marxism, like so many leftist
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: movements over the last sixty years. And it's also very
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: influenced by Islam as well. And you know, Marxism and
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: Islam have a couple of things in common. Two things
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: that they have in common that they both hate America,
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: but also that they both see violence as an entirely
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: legitimate means to their ends. And Marxism from the very beginning,
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: from the Communist Manifesto, where Marx and Engels end that
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: book by saying we can only achieve our aims by
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: the forceful overthrowing of capitalism violence. So violence is baked
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: into Marxism, It's baked into all Marxist movements, and Marxism
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: has really influenced the Pro Palestine movement. When you bring
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: that together with Islam, you get a movement that hates
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: the West, that is quite prepared to use violence. And
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: you see this manifesting all around the world, even in Australia.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: It's also true that Judaism and Christianity, they're reads that
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  Speaker 2: emphasize the dignity of each human life, whereas they're against
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  Speaker 2: here a very collectivist thing. These are collectivists that are
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  Speaker 2: opposing them. And of course the mob doesn't like to
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: distinguish between one of it' sees people as you know,
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  Speaker 2: members of a tribe, and anything can be done to
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: them that's more likely to be in their mind.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of all this, Luise Well, I think.
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  Speaker 13: Andrew, if your cause relies on molotov cocktails and murder
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  Speaker 13: and brandishing terrorists flags, you're not an activist. You're not
• 39:32
  Speaker 13: supporting a cause, you're not interested in a solution. You're
• 39:36
  Speaker 13: a threat to society. And you compare the pro Palestidian
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  Speaker 13: protests with how the pro Israeli camp actually operate and
• 39:45
  Speaker 13: function in a peaceful and orderly and factual manner. That's
• 39:50
  Speaker 13: why they get the support. I mean, the contrast between
• 39:52
  Speaker 13: the two, as far as protesting goes, could not be
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: more different.
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  Speaker 2: Who is Robins received Travura, Thanks, thank you very much
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  Speaker 2: for your time. I should point out the eight people
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: that Muslim guy in Colorado burned were actually Jews, elderly Jews,
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  Speaker 2: at a peaceful protest to remember the hostages that Hamas
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: still holds, and they were torched, set alight by that guy. Amazing, disgusting.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: After the break, France looks like it's fighting another civil war.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I wonder it's just let a record number of legal
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: immigrants go to Britain instead. In Paris on the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: two extraordinary days now of riots after Paris Saint Germain
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday won their first Champions League soccer title against
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Inter Milan.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't even played in Paris.
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  Speaker 2: The rioters you will see are of many races, but
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  Speaker 2: there is no mistaking how many are in fact seemed
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  Speaker 2: to be of Middle East North African background. Again yesterday,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: more riots in a country that seems to have huge
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  Speaker 2: trouble integrating those of Muslim background. Two people have been killed,
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  Speaker 2: two hundred injured, including police and firemen, and about five
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  Speaker 2: hundred people arrested. Millions of dollars of damage also done.
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  Speaker 2: It's just incredible, and you think of the terror that
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: these two young women trapped in their car by that crowd.
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  Speaker 1: What they must have felt.
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  Speaker 2: Not surprising one French minister declared there were now barbarians
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: loose in France. Meanwhile, many illegal immigrants in France are
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: sailing on to Britain. On Saturday, twelve hundred cross the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: channel to England. That is a record for this year
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  Speaker 2: as French police just watch them leave. And almost all
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: of these boat people are young men. No women in
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: this particular boat that I can see, no children, which
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: is weird if they really are refugees fleeing persecution and
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: war and what have you join me from London is writer,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: broadcaster and commentator. It's the Kraku. It's a great to
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: see what is going on in Paris that looks more
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: like a civil war than a football celebration.
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  Speaker 14: And you know what's said Andrew, this wasn't unexpected. Actually,
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: Usman Dimbille, who was part of the winning French side, said,
• 42:37
  Speaker 14: even though he wasn't playing in Paris, that the streets
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: of Paris, he hopes are calm and celebrates with sanity
• 42:43
  Speaker 14: because many people expected this to happen, and it's quite
• 42:46
  Speaker 14: an unholy alliance. We now see the rise of French hooliganism,
• 42:50
  Speaker 14: particularly after sporting tournaments kind of map out where the
• 42:53
  Speaker 14: country is in terms of social integration and this feeling
• 42:56
  Speaker 14: of viva ensemble. So remember in nineteen ninety when France
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: won the World Cup. You know, there was really a
• 43:03
  Speaker 14: sense that France was kind of its peak of multiculturalism.
• 43:06
  Speaker 14: There was, you know, a sign of integration and really
• 43:08
  Speaker 14: embracing French values and culture. You know, unemployment was down,
• 43:12
  Speaker 14: the economy was growing. There was a real sense of reality,
• 43:15
  Speaker 14: so much so that you see so millions of people
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  Speaker 14: celebrating on the streets of Paris back then and nothing happened.
• 43:20
  Speaker 14: But since that time, you've just seen the social breakdown
• 43:23
  Speaker 14: of these groups of people that are self isolating in
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: these what is effectively ghettos, these bonlieux on the outskirts
• 43:29
  Speaker 14: of major cities. And they don't only physically self isolate,
• 43:32
  Speaker 14: they also ideologically self isolate. So you have this generation
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: of young men, predominantly young men from parts of North
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: Africa and the Middle East, that just don't accept French values,
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: that hate everything about France. And so time and time
• 43:44
  Speaker 14: again we've seen after France wins major tournaments or it
• 43:48
  Speaker 14: does well in major tournaments, you see this rise of hologanism,
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: of hundreds of arrests, police officers being targeted, police cars
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: being burnt. We saw this when France beat Morocco in
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: the World Cup semifinals back in twenty two. Twenty two,
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: we saw the same action. We saw this recently when
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: PSG beat Arsenal a few weeks ago, and now we're
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: seeing it this time around as well. Even when France
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: won the World Cup in twenty eighteen, we saw similar
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: scenes of just madness and chaos on the streets of Paris.
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: And it's basically a sign that these people are only
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: going to come out when France is celebrating something that's
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: a significant national interest, to show they're disdained for the country.
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: And I've seen this firsthand. I lived in France. I've
• 44:25
  Speaker 14: seen how bad ghettoization is and the literal physical segregation
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: of people that really have no interest in integrating in
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: France at all. And I hate to say this, but
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: I can only imagine this getting worse unfortunately.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: So what's the future in France then? I mean, you
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: just wonder.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I know that we're also white faces there, and I
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: reckon that makes it worse. I mean, there's no sense
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: of owning a owing a loyalty to this country when
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: you're destroying civic infrastructure, you're attacking the police as the enemy.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, what is the future of France.
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: Then fundamentally you have to have a radical overhaul of
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: the system to see any significant changes, and it really
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: boils down to things as simple as urban planning, so
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: not allowing certain groups of people to self isolate. I mean,
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: if you look at it from the perspective of Britain,
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: Britain and France have basically the same population around sixty
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: sixty eight million people, but France is twice the size
• 45:17
  Speaker 14: in terms of land mass of Britain, so it's a
• 45:19
  Speaker 14: lot easier for groups of people to self isolate in communities.
• 45:23
  Speaker 14: And then you include the sort of radicalization online and
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: all of that, so really you just have actual physical
• 45:28
  Speaker 14: communities that are basically like Nogo zones. I mean you
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: see that similarly here in the UK, but we're a
• 45:32
  Speaker 14: bit more on top of each other because we're just
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: squashed on the small island and we're far more densely
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: populated than France. So I mean, just going back to that,
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: you know, really reinforcing French values of liberte gal you know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 14: standing up for free speech, because if not, you're just
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: going to see this rise of sort of political radicalism
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: that we're seeing on both the left on the right,
• 45:50
  Speaker 14: where people are just drawn to extremes because they feel
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: themselves losing their own country. I mean, the fact that
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: Marie lu Penn was banned from French politics hasn't helped,
• 45:58
  Speaker 14: because this is someone that ten million French voted for.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Oh that's just shocking. I need to come back to
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks for raising that. I do need to come back
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: to that topic later this year.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Twelve hundred.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, twelve hundred more illegal immigrants landing in the UK
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and just one day almost all I should imagine.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: From France fifteen thousand in the years so far. Why
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: is this happening? Why isn't it stopped?
• 46:25
  Speaker 14: Because the politicians don't want it to stop. That's really
• 46:28
  Speaker 14: what it boils down to. This is a complete lack
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: of political will. I mean, the Defense secretary literally just
• 46:33
  Speaker 14: came out and said, Kirstama has lost control of the borders,
• 46:35
  Speaker 14: and he fell into the same trap that Richie Soon
• 46:38
  Speaker 14: acted in the years before. He thought that if he
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: poshed it and you know, played a good game and
• 46:44
  Speaker 14: said all the right things, that somehow this crisis will
• 46:46
  Speaker 14: be nipped in the butt instead of actually taking on
• 46:48
  Speaker 14: the more radical changes that is needed, like leaving the ECCHR,
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: like not allowing foreign courts to have a right to
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: say who has to stay in this country, like putting
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: a cap on asylum, but I think even causing the
• 47:00
  Speaker 14: asylum system entirely. I mean, we hired Australian consultants to
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: help us get to grips with this because we envy
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: the fact that Australia got to grips with us back
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: in twenty twelve, and all of that public money has
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: gone to waste just because of the complete lack of
• 47:12
  Speaker 14: political will. So now we have strange men from god
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: knows where landing on our shows every day and posing
• 47:17
  Speaker 14: a risk to the native population, and our politicians.
• 47:19
  Speaker 13: Do not care.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I dare say, esther well, tell me from wrong that
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: this is the probably the number one, two and three issue.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Is So why the Reform Party of Niger Faraj andt
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: immigration is number one in the polls, ahead of the
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Labor government with the Conservatives in the dust way behind
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: in third. Would that be correct?
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: Absolutely? People are just sick of the system, and in
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: Niger Faraja's favor, he's been saying the same thing for
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: twenty years. Consistently, he has never wavered, even when you
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: know he's become the subject of ridicule and sort of
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: nefarious acts by both political parties. It's clear that Labor
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: and the Tories have no interest in solving this, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: so people are saying, what can be worse than this lot?
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: This is why reform is rising in the polls, and
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: I suspect it's just going to keep going in momentum.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Yester Craku, thank you so much indeed for your time.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Thank you.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I keep saying to my kids, go see Europe
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: while it's still there. I mean, this just shows all
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: the people that were hold down as all you're far
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: right for saying watch out for mass immigration, you change
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: your country irrevocably.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe they should have been listened to. That's it from me,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: coming up now, Sherry Marxon. Good night,