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Chuck in the Morning 8-24 H4: Seahawks injuries, How to manage a bullpen, One Last Thing · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: I believe this is huge lawn mowing music. Yeah, when
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Speaker 1: he gets on, the rider gets on, the headsets locks
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Speaker 1: the kid.
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Speaker 2: But I'm I'm basically a regular basis driving in for
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Speaker 2: the honks. I would put in the Husky Marching Band CD.
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Speaker 1: Is that right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, on a regular basis.
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Speaker 2: Huh, on a regular basis. Yeah, not every Saturday, but
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Speaker 2: I would say, I don't know, every second or third Saturday.
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Speaker 2: H got that, got that blood Husky band.
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Speaker 1: Got that purple blood pumping real good before you ever
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Speaker 1: cracked the microphones. I get it. I get it.
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Speaker 3: The head bobber too, Yeah, can't go wrong with it.
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Speaker 1: Well, great morning to everybody. It is a our nine
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Speaker 1: o'clock hour here on this Monday. I hope you had
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Speaker 1: a terrific weekend. Is we get things started with a
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Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterback session our reaction as a show to
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Speaker 1: yesterday's nineteen sixteen loss preseason game number two for the Seahawks,
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Speaker 1: where the second stringers were leading the Tennessee Titans first
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Speaker 1: stringers by the way sixteen to three when they were
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Speaker 1: finally taken out of the game. In essence, so there
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Speaker 1: were some good things despite the loss. There at the
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Speaker 1: end pretty much the guys that we're getting ready to
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Speaker 1: cut didn't play as well. That's kind of the bottom
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Speaker 1: line of the story there. But we've got to you
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Speaker 1: Millen here r QB one to break it all down
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Speaker 1: for us. And of course, the biggest story is the
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Speaker 1: injury that took place yesterday to second round pick Bud
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Speaker 1: Clark out of TCU, A guy that I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: Hugh was going to have some sort of role of
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Speaker 1: significance for this upcoming season, even if it wasn't going
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Speaker 1: to be as a starter, and now he finds himself
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Speaker 1: facing the long, grueling come back from a major injury.
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Speaker 1: How long do you think it is going to be
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Speaker 1: before we see a Bud Clark again.
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Speaker 2: Well, I expect we're going to hear that he had surgery,
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Speaker 2: and I mean it's possible he could play in January,
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Speaker 2: you know, just my get. I mean, I would say this.
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Speaker 2: I had what I think is the identical injury my
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Speaker 2: rookie year. It was in It was in a we
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Speaker 2: had a scrimmage against the Chargers and I broke my
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Speaker 2: right ankle dissiocated. Did you see how his right ankle
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Speaker 2: was turned out in that kind of awkward way. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I had the same thing, and so I had to
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Speaker 2: put screws in it and staples and you know, Bud,
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Speaker 2: I would just say, Bud, if you're listening right now,
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Speaker 2: change the channel. You don't want to hear what now
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Speaker 2: this is forty years ago? Uh not kind of forty
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Speaker 2: years exactly forty years ago, and so presumably there's been advancements,
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Speaker 2: but they reset my ankle wrong, and and you know
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Speaker 2: it's superinnates and you know it's it's never I never Now,
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Speaker 2: I wasn't an explosive guy. But you know, if I
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Speaker 2: would jump rope on my left foot, okay, you know,
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Speaker 2: I just kind of okay, keep my legs straight, just
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Speaker 2: pop use my left calf ankles. Every we all understand
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Speaker 2: what jumping on one leg rope on one leg looks like. Right,
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Speaker 2: If I tried to do that on my right leg,
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Speaker 2: I just didn't have any My my ankle didn't have anything,
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Speaker 2: so I'd have to like use my quads to kind
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Speaker 2: of use my whole to jump. Uh you know, there
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Speaker 2: was just no explosion there anymore. And what it's worth,
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Speaker 2: it's arthritis. I limped to the freaking John every morning.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's like something there's times often I feel
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Speaker 2: like my ankle's in a bear trap. Uh, It's sucked
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Speaker 2: for the rest of my career. It sucked every day
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Speaker 2: the rest of my life, you know. Uh oh yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean I've I've had times where I'm just standing there,
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Speaker 2: you know, just you know, in a bar with some friends,
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Speaker 2: you know, watching the concert, and I'm like, I got
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Speaker 2: to sit down, like, like, my my ankle is just
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Speaker 2: over overwhelming me. So so I don't like seeing what
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Speaker 2: he had happened. I hope the doctors for the Seahawks
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Speaker 2: are better than the doctors were for the Rams at
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Speaker 2: that time. And uh, you know, it's it's a concern.
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Speaker 2: I I am concerned that whatever if we could if
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Speaker 2: we could establish a baseline one hundred, this is not
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Speaker 2: a difficult concept. Whatever his right ankle was twenty four
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Speaker 2: hours ago, nine o'clock in the morning yesterday, if that
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Speaker 2: was a hundred, I'm concerned that it's it's going to
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Speaker 2: ever be one hundred again. It might be ninety seven
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Speaker 2: in right, and he still might have a hell of
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Speaker 2: a career, but it's it would be a sad note
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Speaker 2: if he's ninety seven to me or or eighty seven right,
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Speaker 2: you know, or seventy seven. I don't think it's going
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Speaker 2: to be down that low. But he's a guy that,
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Speaker 2: you know, he knew he needs his quickness more than
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Speaker 2: I needed mine because I didn't have any quickness. Oh
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Speaker 2: you lost quickness, you never had a big deal, right,
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Speaker 2: But but but he needs it, and I don't like
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Speaker 2: seeing the specter of losing any explosiveness.
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Speaker 1: Well credit to Michelle, by the way, I mean for
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Speaker 1: now being superficial and holding that against you that you
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Speaker 1: didn't have one hundred percent ankle.
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Speaker 2: I mean because she could have yeah, yeah, yeah, well
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Speaker 2: you know what. Unfortunately I'm quick in other ways, But
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Speaker 2: don't ask her about that. So let's just move, keep
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Speaker 2: on moving, Chuck.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Jake Bobo. We mentioned it
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Speaker 1: in the first hour, but we didn't expand on what
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Speaker 1: kind of loss this is. I think maybe on the surface,
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Speaker 1: he feels like a guy that's, you know, should be replaceable,
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Speaker 1: maybe not easily replaceable, but replaceable the role on his team.
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Speaker 1: But Mike McDonald sounded forlorned about losing these three guys
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Speaker 1: last night. As you might understand, I would ask you,
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Speaker 1: have you seen enough of Montory Foster? That's that Jake
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Speaker 1: Bobo's The loss of Jake Bobo won't hurt the wide
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Speaker 1: receiver depth here, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't want to say won't hurt it. You know, there's
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Speaker 2: a special teams component, and there's a there's a red
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Speaker 2: zone component that we saw in the NFC Championship Come
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Speaker 2: to life, where where that's that size is a comforting
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Speaker 2: target when you're down in the red zone. And I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know his his lack of speed is neutralized in
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Speaker 2: the red zone obviously, but you know he can you know,
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Speaker 2: big guy can go up long arms, you can shield
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Speaker 2: the body. He can do a little bit of a
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Speaker 2: rebounding type of a of an element against a defender.
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Speaker 2: So so uh, they're gonna lose that the blocking piece
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Speaker 2: where they can get into squeeze formations he can, uh,
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Speaker 2: he he often what's the term is folds up inside
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Speaker 2: the lineman, so so that he's aligned outside of the tackle,
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Speaker 2: but based on the tackles block if the tackle has
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Speaker 2: to block out, he can he can then retreat behind
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and then fit in the b
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Speaker 2: gap between the guard and the tackle and sit and
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Speaker 2: fit up on even linebackers or safeties that happen to
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Speaker 2: be in there. So so because of his size. Uh
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Speaker 2: not a real thick guy, but he's tall enough that, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, if there's enough height, there's there's uh stretched over,
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Speaker 2: there's still gonna be some mass to him, even if
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Speaker 2: he's relatively skinny. So so is his size was an
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Speaker 2: element that you know is a pretty good blocker, and
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Speaker 2: so you lose that all of those elements. But you know,
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Speaker 2: Foster's quicker. You know, he's more of a down the
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Speaker 2: field threat. And and and I've been keenly watching his
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Speaker 2: willingness to block and his physicality. It's pretty good. It
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Speaker 2: might not be at Jake Bobo level, but but it's impressive.
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Speaker 2: And he can do some other things especial team, different
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Speaker 2: kind of athlete.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Let's let's just be real ruthless about this. If you
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Speaker 2: if you said, Mike, Mike McDonald, you have to make
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Speaker 2: a list in order of all your fifty three guys,
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Speaker 2: in terms of in order no ties, who you would
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Speaker 2: least want to uh to uh to have in He said,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to make that list. Yeah, you don't
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Speaker 2: have a choice. You have to make it. And then
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Speaker 2: he say, okay, well he'd probably start with Sam Donold
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Speaker 2: number one, you know, and you can just imagine how
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Speaker 2: we go and now we work our way you know, J. S.
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Speaker 2: N And Spoon, you know, our top five guys and
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Speaker 2: Leonard Williams, and then we're we're working our way down,
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Speaker 2: working our way down. Bobo's going to be relatively near
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Speaker 2: to the bottom, you know. Uh. I would say he'd
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Speaker 2: be arguably in the bottom five. So that's not to
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Speaker 2: say he's not important. It's just to say that he's
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Speaker 2: not as important as the guy's on top of the list.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe you wanna you want, you want
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Speaker 2: to argue he'd be he'd be in the uh, but
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Speaker 2: but he's not gonna be.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 2: I'm putting in in terms I don't want to put
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Speaker 2: it in. If if there's fifty three guys, I don't
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Speaker 2: want to say bottom ten, But would he make the
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Speaker 2: the top forty seven, Yeah, you know maybe, but he's
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Speaker 2: not gonna make the top forty three out of fifty three.
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Speaker 2: So look, those are crude terms to put it in
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Speaker 2: for a human being that that that's a really good
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Speaker 2: guy that just lost his season. And so I don't
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Speaker 2: want to put in those terms. But but uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: certainly at some somebody in rentin uh that those are
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Speaker 2: the cold facts and you have to think of it
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Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, puts it in person. I mean, there's
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Speaker 2: got you know, there's industries that lay off people, and
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Speaker 2: they lay off the people that are the most expendable, right,
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Speaker 2: and so so sometimes sometimes employers have to do that,
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Speaker 2: they have to rank their employees and it's not fun
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Speaker 2: for anybody. But so Jake Bobo, he's replaceable. If I
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Speaker 2: come on here and I tell you that Jake Broke
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Speaker 2: Bobo is not replaceable, I just can't. I can't do
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Speaker 2: that again.
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Speaker 1: Find another analyst, is that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, look, and the two truths can be. You know,
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Speaker 2: we're human beings. We canna have two thoughts in our
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Speaker 2: head at the same time. Jake bow it's really really crushing.
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Speaker 2: Like I I what was my first thought coming on
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Speaker 2: the three Seahawks got on that plane last Wednesday or
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Speaker 2: Thursday whenever they went down, that were healthy, that that
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Speaker 2: are flying back with the team and their seasons done
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Speaker 2: and they were gonna all suit up, which means they
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Speaker 2: were going to be, you know, integral to what Seattle
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Speaker 2: wanted to do. Now, why are they in the top
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Speaker 2: twenty or twenty five most valuable. No, but it doesn't
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Speaker 2: mean it's any less.
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Speaker 1: Sad, right, Yeah, I hear you. Let me ask you quickly,
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Speaker 1: and then I want to get into the officials here
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Speaker 1: a little bit this morning. Not that you've ever wanted
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Speaker 1: to talk about them in the past, but I did
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Speaker 1: want to ask about our kicker, because obviously he's coming
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Speaker 1: off a really good season, but he is consistently just
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Speaker 1: pushing everything to the right. Is that something that a
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Speaker 1: kicker has accomplished as him we don't worry about because
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Speaker 1: it seems to be the consistent issue that he's having
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Speaker 1: right now and he'll course correct that. Or is that
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Speaker 1: a little bit alarming to you to see him two
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Speaker 1: straight games being missing to the right.
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Speaker 2: So frequently, the degree to which we are concerned about
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Speaker 2: an unwanted event or circumstance is the product of two factors,
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Speaker 2: probability times magnitude. So you ask me what's likely to happen,
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Speaker 2: what's likely to happen? He's finny, Yeah, No, it's no problem.
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Speaker 2: He'll just groove it and he'll have a great season.
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Speaker 2: That is the likely outcome. But I will say, having
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Speaker 2: been a holder, it's not just that he's pushing right,
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Speaker 2: it's low. He doesn't have his lift, and I'm wondering
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Speaker 2: if he's hurt because it looks like your golf swing, Chuck.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we got these low you know, push fades
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Speaker 2: are not Those are not good looking golf shots. Like
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Speaker 2: I want to see you get back to your drawer,
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Speaker 2: that draw down that gets more yards. And I mean,
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Speaker 2: you saw the fifty nine yarder, but from Bucker, Harrison, Bucker,
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Speaker 2: did you see that? No, it's a sixty nine yard
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Speaker 2: wasn't it sixty nine? Look that up, please, Andrews, can
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Speaker 2: you look at it? It was sixty nine yard? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: But anyways, I watched that and it had the most
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Speaker 2: beautiful high draw and and having been a holder, I
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Speaker 2: thought the most consistent ball flight. These guys that have
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Speaker 2: a draw where they started just kind of a little
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Speaker 2: bit a little bit towards the right up right, and
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Speaker 2: then it has that that that nice draw in that
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Speaker 2: that's the most reliable ballflight. You know, if it's anything
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Speaker 2: like golf, it's gonna go farther, but it just that's
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Speaker 2: the reliable ballflight. And so seeing him a low push
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Speaker 2: fade is not is not good ballflight. So Uh, I'm
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Speaker 2: sure he can correct it because he's he's an elite
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Speaker 2: professional kicker. That is the probability. But if if he's
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Speaker 2: concerned or something's happened there, then you know that that
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Speaker 2: that that could Castia a game or two in the
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Speaker 2: first couple of months of this season until he gets
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Speaker 2: it right. So it's something to watch. I'm not gonna
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Speaker 2: pull poo it. I'll put it that way.
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Speaker 1: It was a sixty nine yarder. And yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: and speaking of like kickers that are already I mean
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Speaker 1: Joey Sly and the family Stone last night was pretty
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Speaker 1: good for the Titans with his four.
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Speaker 3: Field goals last night.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, he seemed to be on his game. He
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Speaker 1: seems to be ready for the season. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: our guy looks like he's ready for the season right now.
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Speaker 1: All right, let talk. Let's talk about the officials. Number one.
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Speaker 1: I thought they completely over officiated that game last night.
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Speaker 1: Thought that was there were a lot of like needless
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Speaker 1: TICKI tac calls that I'm not sure I want to
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Speaker 1: see in a preseason game. But I have a feeling.
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Speaker 1: What stood out to you last night about the broadcast
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Speaker 1: was Mike Pereira talking about these guys getting reps in
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Speaker 1: the offseason and how they're having a hard time finding
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Speaker 1: reps in the offseason that can mimic NFL games, and
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Speaker 1: that we got to figure out a way to get
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Speaker 1: them more reps going forward so they can hit the
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Speaker 1: ground running and they know the speed of the game.
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Speaker 1: And I was wondering what that did to trigger you.
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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I mean he comes on with this Jurassic
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Speaker 2: take that've been just straight from the stone ages, like
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Speaker 2: completely ignorant of the argument. Okay, because he literally says that, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, people talk about full time officials, I don't
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Speaker 2: know what they would do, really, Okay, so let me
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Speaker 2: let me stop mocking him and just say it like this.
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Speaker 2: The military uses virtual reality. Race car drivers use virtual reality.
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Speaker 2: Pilots get into seventy million dollars simulators with virtual reality.
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Speaker 2: Quarterbacks do virtual reality. That the I for those who
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Speaker 2: believe in the merits of full time officials, what they
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Speaker 2: would do is they would get there, make sure that
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Speaker 2: their eyes are blistering fast, and they would they would
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Speaker 2: be in peak physical condition. They would be drilled about
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Speaker 2: the rules over and over again. So these these these uh,
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Speaker 2: these conferences that they have where they got to sit
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Speaker 2: there and discuss the rules. That's got to stop. In
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Speaker 2: my view, all these guys other than the head referee,
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Speaker 2: they'd be gone by about age thirty five because they're
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Speaker 2: or no later than forty. They be because their eyes
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Speaker 2: are losing. Their eyes are slowing down unless they can
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Speaker 2: prove it by being tested continually. And here's the thing,
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Speaker 2: virtual reality. You speed it up, you speed it up
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Speaker 2: and at one hundred and fifty percent speed, one hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy five percent speed, and you train your eyes
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Speaker 2: to be faster. I don't want to go into all
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Speaker 2: the data that I know about how you can actually
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Speaker 2: train your eyes to be faster, but that's how you
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Speaker 2: do it. You watch sped up football and you know,
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Speaker 2: you go, okay, we're gonna do one hundred reps of
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Speaker 2: bang bang who got their first the ball or the
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Speaker 2: defender at one hundred and seventy five percent speed And
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Speaker 2: you watch that over and over again, and you're in
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Speaker 2: great physical condition. You got these thirty two year olds
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Speaker 2: to show up with a flat belly. They can run
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Speaker 2: up for days. Their eyes are like a freaking because
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Speaker 2: they've been they have been drilled over and over again.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, guys, we're already paying these guys
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Speaker 2: on average like two hundred and forty thousand dollars a year. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and so so for for for literally pennies, we can
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Speaker 2: we can convert these guys. Get them out of stop
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Speaker 2: being you know, seventy year old goat herders stumbling around
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Speaker 2: in August gets give me some flat bellies that have
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Speaker 2: been Their eyes are freaking faster than an eagles and
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Speaker 2: that's how they're to And and guess what if you
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Speaker 2: lose those those competitions in in the virtual reality and
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Speaker 2: how fast your ours are and what have you get?
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Speaker 2: You're out out with the old, in with the new.
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Speaker 2: So that now you give me a half a half
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Speaker 2: a generation and people will be using that as an idiom.
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Speaker 2: People will say he's got eyes like an NFL official,
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Speaker 2: and they'll meet mean it in a good way. You
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Speaker 2: just give me fifteen years and I'll get kids saying
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Speaker 2: that idiot and uh and so yeah, guess what give
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Speaker 2: him still get give him three weeks off, give him
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Speaker 2: four weeks off vacation. But then the rest of the
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Speaker 2: time full time officials, you spend learning the rules and
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Speaker 2: the operation. Make this thing go fast and and most
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Speaker 2: of all get these guys that are in the right
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Speaker 2: spot and their eyes are like a freaking eagle because
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Speaker 2: they are used to watching the game one hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy five percent speed, and then when they actually arrive
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Speaker 2: at the game, it's like, what are these guys doing
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Speaker 2: crawling around like zombies? They are so slow so at
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Speaker 2: an event at that that comment just chafes my ass
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Speaker 2: because he's totally unaware of what it could be.
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Speaker 1: He realized that every time something like this does occur,
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Speaker 1: that everyone listening thinks of you.
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Speaker 2: Every time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when Mike Perreira goes on last night because I
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Speaker 1: thought of you, imagine ANDERS thought of you.
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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, Like, oh, I can't wait to hear what
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Speaker 5: Hugh Mellon says about this.
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Speaker 2: You know, I had I had like tooth enamel that
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Speaker 2: I was choking on my saliv all night because I
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Speaker 2: grinded my teeth from the moment he said that now
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be grinding them all day thinking about it again.
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Speaker 2: But no, seriously, like stop, I want to solicit you
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Speaker 2: two opinion. I know we're up against the break, but
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Speaker 2: I am I missing something. Is this a compelling case?
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Speaker 2: Do we not think that officials would be substantially better
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Speaker 2: if they were younger and they were doing virtual reality
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Speaker 2: around the clock, flat bellies, learning, practicing the rules, making
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Speaker 2: sure they're always in the right spot, because they they
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Speaker 2: say that the game explodes on you. You can't be
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Speaker 2: too close to the play because it explodes on and
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Speaker 2: you can't be too far. You have to be the
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Speaker 2: right distance. So if you're constantly practicing the art of officiating,
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Speaker 2: are you not going to be better? Like, how is
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Speaker 2: this not like completely self evident?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, yes, I could see a world where yes,
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Speaker 1: that that would make them all better, Uh for sure.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how it affect the rest of their lives though,
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Speaker 1: if they like everything was slowed down, Yeah right, they're
20:15
Speaker 1: driving became terrible, you know, yeah everything Yeah, why.
20:25
Speaker 2: Is everything moving? So trying to make that are trying
20:28
Speaker 2: to go best and the farmer is gonna run low
20:31
Speaker 2: on goat milk. That's true, there's there's some downside. Yeah. Yeah,
20:37
Speaker 2: now you got me thinking in a whole other direction.
20:39
Speaker 5: Well, if nothing else, just like you, just like the
20:42
Speaker 5: players hone their craft. They play what four months out
20:45
Speaker 5: of the year, five months out of the year for
20:47
Speaker 5: the other you know, eight months they're they're you know,
20:50
Speaker 5: working out there watching film. That's that's what the referees
20:53
Speaker 5: could be doing. Obviously not to that same extent, but
20:56
Speaker 5: it's it's the same concept.
20:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, Jay Buhner said that he knew that
21:03
Speaker 2: his career was over. He said it wasn't his bat
21:06
Speaker 2: speed that slowed down. He said he used to do
21:07
Speaker 2: a drill where he'd stand in the on deck circle
21:11
Speaker 2: and he would hold his bat up and he would
21:12
Speaker 2: look at the font you know, Louisville slugger on his bat,
21:15
Speaker 2: and then he would quickly go to the pitcher and
21:17
Speaker 2: then back to the font quicker. And he, being a
21:20
Speaker 2: world class athlete, knew exactly how fast his eyes are
21:23
Speaker 2: supposed to be. He says, got to his mid thirties,
21:26
Speaker 2: whatever the age was, and he says, he goes, I
21:29
Speaker 2: knew my eyes were slowing down. He goes, I knew
21:31
Speaker 2: at that point, I knew I wasn't gonna be able
21:32
Speaker 2: to hit. And to that end, you know, Edgar would
21:36
Speaker 2: go in and he'd have these tennis balls, you know,
21:39
Speaker 2: with red seven, green, three, whatever, and he would do
21:42
Speaker 2: these various speeds and he'd do it ninety miles an
21:45
Speaker 2: hour and he can't see the number. Then they speeded
21:47
Speaker 2: up to one hundred and fifty, you know, in one
21:49
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy and all these things that I'm talking about,
21:51
Speaker 2: and then when they go back to ninety, he's just going,
21:54
Speaker 2: oh on blue four, you know, brown six, you know,
21:58
Speaker 2: like and it looks like a beats ball because his
22:01
Speaker 2: his brain has been taught to speed up. Well, this
22:04
Speaker 2: same concept.
22:05
Speaker 4: I know.
22:06
Speaker 2: I don't play Madden, but my kids do, and they
22:08
Speaker 2: have this practice mode and I see they can speed
22:10
Speaker 2: it up. And I look at it, and I and
22:12
Speaker 2: and and I say, the the technology to make the
22:16
Speaker 2: officials better is already in the Madden game. Just license it,
22:21
Speaker 2: like it's already there. Because if you watch that stuff
22:24
Speaker 2: at a at a fast speed and then you call
22:27
Speaker 2: and then you you come back down to normal speed,
22:30
Speaker 2: everything seems slow. And and so that's the basic tenets
22:35
Speaker 2: of Okay, these guys need to be full time official.
22:39
Speaker 2: They need to practice this kind of as a full
22:41
Speaker 2: time job, because just like the players, what a concept.
22:44
Speaker 2: The players show up on Sunday and they've been practicing
22:48
Speaker 2: all week and they have like could you imagine saying
22:52
Speaker 2: the players, hey, go squeeze, you know, uh the teats
22:57
Speaker 2: on a goat all all week and then show up
23:00
Speaker 2: on Sunday and play, Uh like, what do we do
23:05
Speaker 2: on Chuck anders tuck me off the ledge.
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any.
23:11
Speaker 3: Time I don't think I can.
23:13
Speaker 1: All right, man, thank you appreciate Chip is the QB one.
23:18
Speaker 1: He will always be great at analyzing football and he
23:23
Speaker 1: will always be furious at gohs.
23:25
Speaker 3: I love it.
23:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, those are two things you can always trust.
23:28
Speaker 1: And I agree with that. Hugh Millin.
23:30
Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: All Right, anders Hurst is here. Why because you've got
24:15
Speaker 1: a thirst. You've got a thirst for and.
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Speaker 5: Andurst is not the worst, uh.
24:22
Speaker 2: Mind of us?
24:22
Speaker 1: Chuck Pollin, We've been talking a lot of football today.
24:24
Speaker 1: Early earlier in the show, we talked a lot of baseball,
24:27
Speaker 1: but I think it's worth bringing back pretty big series
24:30
Speaker 1: starts tonight for the Mariners. And despite the again an embarrassment.
24:35
Speaker 1: Nobody ever wants to lose nineteen to two, twenty two
24:38
Speaker 1: to nothing. But despite that twice in the last six days,
24:42
Speaker 1: it was a very productive weekend for this team, filled
24:45
Speaker 1: with a lot more highlights than low lights. The fact
24:49
Speaker 1: that Kate Anderson made his debut in a successful one,
24:52
Speaker 1: the fact that Randyo rose Arena had his best game
24:54
Speaker 1: of his career, certainly in a Mariner uniform on Saturday
24:57
Speaker 1: to lift us, the fact that you won two out
24:59
Speaker 1: of three game against a really good Chicago Cubs team,
25:02
Speaker 1: the fact that you gained ground in the American League
25:04
Speaker 1: West on the Houston Astros, who couldn't beat the A's
25:08
Speaker 1: this weekend. So more good than bad happened. It's just
25:12
Speaker 1: that the bad was really really ugly yesterday, with Bryce
25:16
Speaker 1: Miller once again struggling and then Dan Wilson not having
25:21
Speaker 1: any pitchers available to him once again once again, we
25:25
Speaker 1: ran out of relief pitchers to use in a game
25:28
Speaker 1: twice in a week. It's just really confounding to me
25:33
Speaker 1: that is happening, and that's where I want to pick
25:36
Speaker 1: off because the reason it's happening, bottom line, is that
25:41
Speaker 1: we are still babying our top relievers. The only time
25:48
Speaker 1: we pitch mun Jos is in a safe situation or
25:51
Speaker 1: a tie game. And we pretty much treat Gabe Spier
25:55
Speaker 1: the exact same way. And we have this blanket rule.
26:01
Speaker 1: And if it's coming from on high, then shame on
26:04
Speaker 1: Justin and Jerry wake up. If Dan's doing it, then
26:08
Speaker 1: it's malpractice. You can't baby your best relievers this much
26:15
Speaker 1: and get through a season. You can't even get through
26:18
Speaker 1: a week. But they continue to not throw our best
26:24
Speaker 1: high leverage relievers on back to back day except on
26:27
Speaker 1: the rarest of occasions this week. Andres Munoz throw twice
26:32
Speaker 1: this past week, six games against the Brewers and the
26:35
Speaker 1: Cubs twice. There were a lot of close games in there.
26:38
Speaker 1: He threw nine pitches on Friday, he threw eighteen on Wednesday.
26:43
Speaker 1: He should have pitched Saturday when the game was close.
26:48
Speaker 1: When Kate Anderson, you remember when you kept Kate Anderson
26:51
Speaker 1: in too long? That should have been the type of
26:56
Speaker 1: game where you come back back to back with your
26:59
Speaker 1: best guys. They've got to be able to pitch back
27:02
Speaker 1: to back games. All right, you don't want to go
27:04
Speaker 1: back to back to back, fine, but at this stage
27:08
Speaker 1: in the season, with what's at stake, you gotta be
27:10
Speaker 1: able to pitch back to back games. Gabe spier Anders
27:14
Speaker 1: pitch twice last week Wednesday seventeen pitches, Friday two pitches.
27:19
Speaker 3: Nineteen total pitches in a week.
27:21
Speaker 1: Right, and yet he's not available on Saturday in a
27:23
Speaker 1: close game. Bizardo had to pitch yesterday because you ran
27:28
Speaker 1: out of pitchers exactly, Otherwise he would have pitched just
27:31
Speaker 1: twice last week. Farrera pitched back to back on Wednesday
27:35
Speaker 1: and Thursday, but not pitch Friday and did not pitch Saturday.
27:41
Speaker 1: And Dominguez pitched back to back Friday and Saturday, but
27:46
Speaker 1: he had only pitched two thirds of an inning all
27:48
Speaker 1: last week. Like, these are not wilting flowers. I take
27:55
Speaker 1: a look at the Los Angeles Dodgers. I said I
27:59
Speaker 1: was going to do this exercise. Okay, I picked them
28:01
Speaker 1: because they're the gold standard? Are they not sure for
28:04
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball franchises?
28:06
Speaker 3: Yeah?
28:06
Speaker 1: They faced the Colorado Rockies this week in Colorado.
28:10
Speaker 3: Lots of runs usually.
28:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, they also had two extra innings games. But look
28:16
Speaker 1: how they do and then their pitchers don't go deep.
28:19
Speaker 3: No, they did not know.
28:20
Speaker 1: You want to talk about an analytics driven team. The
28:22
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers, they come out of for five. They
28:25
Speaker 1: had a six man rotation at the beginning of the
28:27
Speaker 1: year two and it wasn't a total catastrophe. How do
28:31
Speaker 1: we possibly get through this? Yeah, so Monday, Vezzi, a, Phillips, Diaz.
28:37
Speaker 2: This is going to be a.
28:38
Speaker 1: Little dizzying, but just keep the pattern in mind. Vezier, Phillips, Diaz.
28:42
Speaker 1: They use those guys. On Monday, Diaz got hurt, so
28:44
Speaker 1: they put them on the injury lest. After that Tuesday, Trier, Enriquez, Phillips,
28:49
Speaker 1: and Scott. Nobody's going more than an inning. But those
28:53
Speaker 1: are the four guys. Do you know as Phillips is there?
28:55
Speaker 1: Back to back Wednesday, Stuart who replace di Oz coming
29:01
Speaker 1: back from the injury list, Dryer, so that's back to
29:04
Speaker 1: back games for Dryer, hurt went a third of an inning,
29:08
Speaker 1: and Scott. That's back to back games for Scott because
29:11
Speaker 1: they knew we have a day off tomorrow, which is
29:15
Speaker 1: another thing Dan never takes advantage of, or Justin or
29:18
Speaker 1: Jerry or whoever's making these idiotic decisions. Thursday. Then Stuart,
29:23
Speaker 1: that's back to back games, not back to back days,
29:25
Speaker 1: but it's back to back games, right, hurt Enriquez Phillips again,
29:31
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Evan Phillips has pitched three turns in
29:34
Speaker 1: four days.
29:35
Speaker 2: What shall we do?
29:38
Speaker 1: Friday? Phillips four times in five days? Dryer Scott, same guys,
29:47
Speaker 1: just used a little differently and moved around the chessboard
29:53
Speaker 1: depending on score, what situation, matchups, whatever the case may be.
29:58
Speaker 1: And then Sunday, Enriquez, Stuart Vesi no fewer than three
30:03
Speaker 1: relief pitchers for six straight games, and yet had no
30:09
Speaker 1: problem getting out of Colorado without having to use a
30:14
Speaker 1: second baseman to pitch the ninth inning.
30:16
Speaker 3: Won all three games, by the way.
30:17
Speaker 1: And then and.
30:19
Speaker 4: Yet because they're going back to back games, because it's
30:21
Speaker 4: that time of the season. Yeah, you're going to run
30:26
Speaker 4: out of pitcher. You could have nineteen pitchers if you're
30:29
Speaker 4: never going to pitch them on back to back days
30:33
Speaker 4: in the middle of a pennant race, you're gonna run
30:36
Speaker 4: out of them. How do you run out of pitchers
30:39
Speaker 4: two times and six games?
30:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can look even across the what the Mariners
30:44
Speaker 5: played against this on Sunday Showdiyu Minaga only went two
30:47
Speaker 5: innings yesterday.
30:48
Speaker 1: That's another thing. And this is squarely on Jerry. Yes,
30:54
Speaker 1: he doesn't like the idea of a long reliever. People
30:58
Speaker 1: have had them forever for as it's because when a
31:01
Speaker 1: Minagua is not going, and you can tell Bryce Miller's
31:04
Speaker 1: not going, and you can tell you bring in the
31:07
Speaker 1: long reliever. If he's got it, you ride him for
31:09
Speaker 1: as long as he can. If he doesn't, you ride
31:11
Speaker 1: him for as long as you can.
31:14
Speaker 2: And we don't.
31:15
Speaker 1: We have never implemented a long reliever in the last
31:18
Speaker 1: ten years.
31:18
Speaker 5: And it makes games where you'd be like, okay, well,
31:21
Speaker 5: we have to get you through at least four, hopefully five,
31:23
Speaker 5: and then whatever the score is at that point, we'll
31:26
Speaker 5: deal with it. You can still go and win the game.
31:28
Speaker 5: The Cubs realize they could still win that game, and
31:31
Speaker 5: they went to it early.
31:32
Speaker 1: Went to it early, and stayed with him long absolutely well,
31:37
Speaker 1: and then you get a blowout and guess what, you
31:39
Speaker 1: don't have to burn through your entire bill. Then when
31:41
Speaker 1: you get a blowout, yeah, oh it's almost and this
31:47
Speaker 1: wouldn't be so bad. This this is the point that
31:49
Speaker 1: hammer's at all home, because I know people are like, oh,
31:55
Speaker 1: they're tired. Been a long year. Our starters have more
32:02
Speaker 1: innings pitch than any other team in all of Major
32:06
Speaker 1: League Baseball, and it's not even close. So, in other words,
32:10
Speaker 1: our relievers I've pitched the least, have pitched the least
32:14
Speaker 1: of all bull pins in the entire sport, and yet
32:20
Speaker 1: we can run out of relief pitchers faster than you
32:25
Speaker 1: know Popeyes Chicken can run out of sandwiches.
32:31
Speaker 3: Run out pretty fast.
32:32
Speaker 1: Well, they used to, just a reference from the past.
32:34
Speaker 1: Yeah there, but yeah, it's hard work to run out
32:41
Speaker 1: of relief pitchers this often, and yet we do constantly.
32:45
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying it's on Dan. I know I've
32:48
Speaker 1: been hard on Dan and not as hard on Justin
32:50
Speaker 1: and Jerry. Yeah, I don't know who the blame is.
32:52
Speaker 1: If they have too many rules, then it's on Justin
32:54
Speaker 1: and Jerry. If they still are implementing the rule that no,
32:58
Speaker 1: these guys can't go back to back days unless we're
33:01
Speaker 1: up by one, if we still have that stringent of
33:04
Speaker 1: a rule, if we are not valuing a one run
33:07
Speaker 1: deficit as something we can come back from and win
33:10
Speaker 1: that game, trailing by three in the division standings, When
33:15
Speaker 1: are we going to wake up and do it? So,
33:17
Speaker 1: if it's on them, then it's on them. It feels
33:20
Speaker 1: to me like it's on Dan. And if it's on Dan,
33:23
Speaker 1: it's unforgivable. Yeah, because it's been going on all season long.
33:28
Speaker 3: It's a gregious mismanagement.
33:30
Speaker 1: It is mismanagement. So I realize we have bigger issues.
33:36
Speaker 1: That the offense is a bigger been a bigger issue
33:38
Speaker 1: than Dan's bullpen management this year. But when you aren't
33:42
Speaker 1: clicking offensively, those decisions matter more. And we've been dealing
33:48
Speaker 1: with it all year long. Frankly, we've been dealing with
33:51
Speaker 1: it for two and a half years. All Right, Philly's
33:54
Speaker 1: Preview and one last thing next Sports Radio ninety three
33:57
Speaker 1: point three KJRFM. Alright, final segment of the show, and
34:18
Speaker 1: then we hand things off to Greg Bell. He'll be
34:21
Speaker 1: from Nashville. One more day, my day in Tennessee Music City.
34:26
Speaker 1: One more chancey, one more chance, head over to the
34:31
Speaker 1: Grand Ole Opry. Yeah, see if you can see the
34:35
Speaker 1: ghost of Roy Acuff. Is he dead?
34:39
Speaker 3: I don't know if he is or nothing.
34:42
Speaker 1: Anyway, we get ready to close things out with one
34:45
Speaker 1: last thing.
34:45
Speaker 2: What do you got, Andrews.
34:47
Speaker 5: I'm going to highlight a negative, and that's Julio. I
34:50
Speaker 5: know it's been a'll talk, bullpen talk, and then Dan Wilson,
34:55
Speaker 5: roster construction, all that stuff. Randy carried the team to
34:57
Speaker 5: the victory. But I know, with everything going on with
35:00
Speaker 5: Cal this year, Julio's kind of May year has been
35:04
Speaker 5: a little bit overlooked.
35:07
Speaker 3: And he's, by no stretch of the.
35:08
Speaker 5: Imagination, the biggest reason why this team is where they're
35:11
Speaker 5: at right now.
35:12
Speaker 3: But it would be nice.
35:14
Speaker 5: For him to take that next step as a player,
35:17
Speaker 5: and it just hasn't happened. Once again, Sure it looked
35:20
Speaker 5: like he was going to in the first maybe, you know,
35:23
Speaker 5: and he had a really good May and then what
35:25
Speaker 5: we kind of coupled that with oh, and then he's
35:27
Speaker 5: just gonna have the July and August that Julio always
35:29
Speaker 5: has and he hasn't had that this year. In fact,
35:32
Speaker 5: in the second half of the season he has a
35:33
Speaker 5: six thirty nine OPS So he's actually gotten worse in
35:37
Speaker 5: the second half the season, and even in the last
35:40
Speaker 5: what six games, it's it's not good. He has a
35:45
Speaker 5: below one hundred batting average. I think he has thirteen strikeouts,
35:48
Speaker 5: no walks, the dreaded lower on base percentage than batting
35:51
Speaker 5: average because you get on base and still get thrown out.
35:55
Speaker 5: It's it's just not looking good. And when your team
35:57
Speaker 5: needs you the most, he kind of needs to step up,
36:00
Speaker 5: and he hasn't been doing that lately, So it's it's disappointing. Look,
36:04
Speaker 5: he's still going to be a valuable center fielder for
36:07
Speaker 5: this team moving forward.
36:09
Speaker 3: And if he's a.
36:10
Speaker 5: Good defensive player seven to fifty ohps guy for the
36:13
Speaker 5: foreseeable future, that's still, like I said, a valuable player.
36:16
Speaker 5: But it's just he could be so much more. So
36:19
Speaker 5: I'm disappointed by his lack of development.
36:22
Speaker 1: It's our expectations for him correct that distract us from
36:25
Speaker 1: appreciating that he's a good player. Yes, uh and and
36:29
Speaker 1: so he gets criticized the lot and he gets overlooked
36:34
Speaker 1: that he's just off to one of the better starts
36:37
Speaker 1: of a young player in the game. But we also
36:44
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be a superstar, did we not?
36:46
Speaker 3: We did.
36:47
Speaker 1: Superstars don't have seven to fifty ops's every year, seven
36:52
Speaker 1: to seventy, they're eight fifty. Yeah, that's what soup nine
36:56
Speaker 1: hundred fifty on a down year nine hundred. That's what
37:00
Speaker 1: superstars get. We might have to accept that that's not
37:03
Speaker 1: where he's going. But then again, he is still very young,
37:07
Speaker 1: which we also forget about. To your point, man, who
37:11
Speaker 1: he's seen some lazy at bats out of that guy lately.
37:13
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, at the absolute worst time. Now, that can
37:17
Speaker 1: look lazy because you're just lost like you were. Just
37:19
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're not trying any less than what
37:24
Speaker 1: you were before. But he If that's the case, then
37:29
Speaker 1: he has completely lost at a really bad time.
37:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, for him to be lost.
37:33
Speaker 5: Well, and the fact that his best season was his
37:35
Speaker 5: rookie year and he's hasn't progressed at all. I think
37:39
Speaker 5: part of the reason we got so excited after that
37:41
Speaker 5: year was like, this is just his first year. He's
37:43
Speaker 5: twenty one years old. He's just going to get better,
37:45
Speaker 5: and he hasn't. If anything, he's slightly regressed since that point.
37:49
Speaker 5: And that's frustrated.
37:51
Speaker 1: Oh, it certainly is. And then and the grab ass continues, Yeah,
37:55
Speaker 1: it does. It just would. I would just like to
37:57
Speaker 1: see when he plays with an edge, he's got that
38:01
Speaker 1: fierceness when those little like jawbones are like jutting out
38:05
Speaker 1: because he's locked in.
38:06
Speaker 3: He saw the playoffs last year.
38:08
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that he's fan friendly and really
38:11
Speaker 1: good with kids and everything else, and I get that
38:15
Speaker 1: there's a lighter side to him and he wants to
38:18
Speaker 1: play have fun out those players on your team. But
38:21
Speaker 1: if you're going to play that way, you've got to produce.
38:24
Speaker 1: And when you're not producing and you're still playing grab ass,
38:26
Speaker 1: then it doesn't look like you care as much as
38:28
Speaker 1: you should. That's what happens, unfortunately, and that's never going
38:31
Speaker 1: to go away. The fans always going to read it
38:33
Speaker 1: that way. Phillies tonight, that's my one last thing. I mean,
38:38
Speaker 1: they're a really good and almost desperate team. They've got
38:42
Speaker 1: a few guys that are on the backside, like Bryce
38:44
Speaker 1: Harper is not at the end of his career, but
38:46
Speaker 1: he's certainly on the backside of his career. Trey Turner
38:48
Speaker 1: might be in his last year of being a really
38:51
Speaker 1: good player.
38:53
Speaker 3: J T.
38:53
Speaker 1: Real Mudo has past that being a really good player. Schwarber,
38:58
Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber is probably the exception. He's right there in
39:01
Speaker 1: the midst of his prime. He's playing phenomenally, but he's
39:04
Speaker 1: really the only one So they're a team that got
39:08
Speaker 1: up to a really bad start, but they are a
39:11
Speaker 1: really tight group of veteran players and right now they're
39:15
Speaker 1: locked in. They've won nine straight games, and that desperation
39:19
Speaker 1: of this might be our last chance to be great
39:24
Speaker 1: as a group. If not, we might lose a couple
39:27
Speaker 1: pieces this offseason. And it's working for them. I'd like
39:32
Speaker 1: to see that same sort of desperation, even though in
39:35
Speaker 1: completely different reason situations. Yeah, Anders, it's not like ours,
39:39
Speaker 1: not like the Mariners groups on the last year, if
39:42
Speaker 1: they're ever going to have a chance to be good
39:44
Speaker 1: or chance.
39:44
Speaker 3: To be great.
39:46
Speaker 1: But desperation is desperation. They're playing like a team that
39:50
Speaker 1: is like this is it? Yeah, And I would like
39:53
Speaker 1: to see us play a little more.
39:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you could throw us some of the
39:57
Speaker 5: stuff that you were saying about the Phillies to the Mariners,
39:59
Speaker 5: Like there's gonna be a couple of pages turned this offseason.
40:01
Speaker 5: Randy's probably not coming back, JP's probably If he's coming back,
40:05
Speaker 5: he's not playing the same role, right, maybe even one
40:09
Speaker 5: of the starting pitchers, Like you have a you're turning
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Speaker 5: the page with this current crop of Mariners. It's not
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Speaker 5: going to be just the same team next year like
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Speaker 5: it was this past offseason.
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Speaker 1: So we will talk to you tomorrow at six am.
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Speaker 1: Greg Bell from Nashville, jessem and McIntyre Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 1: three point three kJ RFM