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Mega Edition: Where Does David Boies Fit Within The Epstein Story? (4/23/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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David Boys, lawyer for Virginia Roberts and Annie Farmer, has
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given his first interview since Glainne Maxwell has been sentenced,
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and in this interview with The Independent, he talks about
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how the other people who were involved in all of this,
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and as we all know, there were a lot of
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other people involved in all of this, how they should
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be held responsible now that Maxwell has been And for me,
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there is no other way that this should go. When
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you have as many people involved on a day to
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day basis as we had involved with Jeffrey Epstein and
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Glaine Maxwell. There is no way anyone can convince me
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that this isn't a rico case and that there aren't
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other people who shouldn't be brought in. We have all
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of the names Virginia has given us already, and David
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Boys and company they've handed all of that information over
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to the Feds. They did that in twenty fifteen, so
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it's not like the Feds didn't have this information, like
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they were waiting for somebody to come forward and clue
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them in on what happened. We all know what happened,
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and the FBI drop the ball like it has many
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many times before when it comes to severe, serious sexual
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assault investigations. Just take a look at how they're on
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the hook right now when it comes to Larry Nasser.
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This is something that has been pervasive within the FBI.
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They might not want to address it, but it's very
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clear for everybody else who's paying attention that the FBI
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really has dropped the ball time and time again here.
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And if they don't go after this the way they should,
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and they don't go after all these other people, well
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it's just another fumble, isn't it? All? Right? Today? Our
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article is from The Independent, and the author of this
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article is Bevin Hurley. Headline Virginia Roberts lawyer on prosecuting
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powerful abusers. There are many people involved in this beyond
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Maxwell and Epstein. Virginia Roberts attorney tells Bevin Hurley, the
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rich and powerful implicated in the Epstein Maxwell Maxwell's sex
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trafficking ring deserve to be brought to justice one hundred percent.
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And if there isn't a grand jury panel impaneled right now,
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then I don't know what they're doing. Because there's as
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much circumstantial evidence out there to arrest people like endyke
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and Cohn and Sarah Kelln Vickers, as there was to
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bring in Maxwell. So what are they waiting for and
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why have they waited this long? When power else? Attorney
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David Boyce received the news that Glainne Maxwell had been
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sentenced to twenty years in federal prison for child sex
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trafficking last week, he allowed himself a wry smile. It
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was very satisfying, mister Boyce told The Independent in his
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first interview since the sentencing. This was an important step.
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There's no doubt this was an important step, a huge step.
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It sends a message too, right, but it only matters
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if the follow through continues. What do you think whoever's
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out there engaging in human trafficking right now is going
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to see the sentence that Glaine Maxwell got or that
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r Kelly got and say to themselves, oh, well, this
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isn't worth it. We're just gonna We're gonna stop, because
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that's not gonna happen no matter how harsh the sentence is.
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This needs to be a message to the people who
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were involved. And the only way that this message can
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truly be sent like they say they want to send
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it is if they bring in the rest of these people.
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But he also felt a lingering sense of unfinished business
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about the many wealthy and powerful figures who have not
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had to answer for their roles in Jeffrey Epstein and
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Maxwell's decades long pyramid scheme of abuse. I get it.
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I understand now. Obviously, I'm nowhere near as close to
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all of this as David Boyce is. Dude's been in
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the trenches fighting against Epstein and Maxwell four years now.
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But I understand what he means with the unfinished business
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part because I feel the same way here on this podcast.
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There's a lot of unfinished business, and all of these
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people like Indyke and Kahn and Vickers especially, they definitely
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need to be brought in because if not, then what
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has really been accomplished. Besides, you know, bringing Maxwell to justice,
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which is great, don't get me wrong, as I've said
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a million times, definitely a huge part of fixing the problem,
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but it takes a little bit of the shine and
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the laquer off of it if you don't follow through
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it the next step. Mister Boys has for decades been
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one of America's best known litigants, famously but unsuccessfully representing
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the Democratic Party candidate Al Gore in a case against
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George W. Bush to settle the contested two thousand presidential election.
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The eighty one year old represented Annie Farmer and Virginia
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Roberts in civil lawsuits against Epstein and Maxwell. I remember
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when all of that was going on in two thousand
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and you had the whole battle Royale about the hanging
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Chad and the armies of lawyers and the lawsuits and
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all of the days it took to get the election
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locked in. And still there's a lot of people who
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don't even believe that those election results were what the
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In twenty fifteen, he handed over their entire civil file
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to the Justice Department in the hopes they would investigate
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and prosecute Epstein, Maxwell and some of the dozens of
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other rich and powerful associates named and identified by miss
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miss Roberts. And this should this should have happened back then.
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All of those people who were directly implicated by Virginia Roberts,
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especially considering she went on record and stated those names,
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those people should all be looked at under the world's
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largest microscope. Every one of them should be brought in
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put under oath, and they should all have to testify
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about their relationship with Epstein, and that includes guys like
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Bill Richardson. Because everything we've heard from Virginia leading up
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to this point has been at least some of the
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foundational basis for these convictions, and we've seen what's happened
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to people when there's been defamation lawsuits as well, those
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people end up getting charged afterwards. She has shown that
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she's to be believed, at least in my opinion, So
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when she's pointing her finger at these other people, why
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should I believe that they weren't involved, especially considering that
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you can put the receipts together and the paperwork to
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put them in Epstein's presence a whole bunch of times.
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So all of those people, every last one of them,
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should be brought in. And if this was a Rico
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case like it should have been, they all would have
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been brought in. But so far only three people have
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been held criminally liable. They are Epstein, who died by
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suicide in prison in twenty nineteen, allegedly aged sixty six
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while awaiting trial for sex trafficking, his close friend Jean
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Luke Brunel seventy six, who in February hanged himself in
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a Paris jail where he had been held for a
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year on suspicion of rape of miners and trafficking of
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miners for sexual exploitation. And Maxwell convicted in New York
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on five sex trafficking counts in late December and jail
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for twenty years at her sentencing on June twenty eighth.
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But you know, it's just a coincidence that Brunell and
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Epstein both suffered the same fate. Huh. Now with Brunell
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doesn't seem as odd the matter of his death. Again,
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I'm not an expert on French lockups or French prisons,
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so I'm certainly not somebody who would sit here and
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tell you with any confidence one way or the other. Oh,
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I'm certain that xxx or X occurred in that French jail.
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I have no idea. Looks to me like Brunell probably
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killed himself. Now is that one hundred percent certain? Man?
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Is anything one hundred percent certain in this case besides
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the fact that these people are scumbags. But with Epstein, boy,
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oh boy, they're sure. Is a lot there the cameras,
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our TAGLIONI I won't beat a dead horse. But you
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get my drift. There are many people who are involved
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in this beyond Maxwell and Epstein and Brunel. Mister Boyce
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told The Independent sex trafficking could not have gone on
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remotely at the scale at which it went on, or
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for the duration that it went on, without the collaboration
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and cooperation of a lot of additional people. These people
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too should be brought to justice. But as time goes
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on and the prosecutors don't do anything, I think the
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chances that actually happens diminishes. Look, he's not wrong, he's
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not wrong. He's just given you the truth. We all
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want to hope and pray that the prosecutors are going
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to move forward and that the co conspirators are going
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to be brought to justice, but we also know that
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the reality that we live in, there's little of that
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to be had. Many of the famous names who flew
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on Epstein's so called Lolita Express private jet have come
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out during civil litigation and at Maxwell's trial. They include
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Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Prince Andrew. The two former
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US presidents have adamantly denied any knowledge of Epstein's crimes,
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while Prince Andrew settled a civil sexual assault case with
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Miss Roberts for a reported seventeen million in February, they
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say fourteen million here. That's not the right number. But
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there are many names who have remained out of the
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public eye, their identities hidden in sealed files at the
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Justice Department. A lot of the materials from the are
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twenty fifteen sixteen civil actions which the government got are
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still sealed to the public. Mister Boyce said these kinds
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of records should not be sealed. He is one hundred
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percent correct about that, especially in this case. If there
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is any elect official or anyone who's taking or has
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taken public money involved in any lists such as this,
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they should be outed right away. They generally fall into
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two categories, mister Boyce says. They are Epstein and Maxwell
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lieutenants who are involved in recruiting, grooming, and supervising the
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survivors that were trafficked. And then there are the other
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people who the survivors were trafficked to, which include a
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lot of rich and powerful people around the world. Mister
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boys added, they're all heavily protected by cadres of lawyers
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and pr consultants and political consultants, and you've got to
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have a prosecutor who is really committed to the cause
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of sex trafficking, that is prepared to take that group on. Well,
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if there's any prosecutor out there who has that courage,
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you better believe that there are plenty of us who
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are ready to take the fight to these people. And
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if you have any kind of interest in later on
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political office, this is a surefire away to get yourself alone.
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You go after people like Epstein's associates, you are definitely
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going to get the attention of people who are paying attention,
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and those votes, boy, they'll sure pour in. Imagine that campaign.
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I'm the man or a woman who put away Jeffrey
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Ebstein or Epstein's associates. I mean, I continued the case
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when no one else wanted to do it. My career
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could have been ended, you know, YadA YadA, YadA, YadA.
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But there's no one out there that wants to do it.
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Why what are all of these prosecutors so scared of? Again,
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it comes back to the SDN Y right, Like I
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always say, the folks over at the SDNY, they run
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around and they talk about how they're the greatest at this,
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they're the greatest at that. They bring in all these convictions, well,
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where are they at. They bring in convictions if it's
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you know, people like maybe Khalif Browder or your cousin,
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But when it comes to these rich and powerful people
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like Glenn Dubin, like Les Wexner, like Alan Dershowitz, these
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people don't get brought to justice. That's only for peons, right,
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the children of never like us. Mister Boyce said, many
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of the survivors were easy to ignore, as Epstein and
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Maxwell deliberately sought out vulnerable girls, often from single parent
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households and difficult financial circumstances. Some had already suffered sexual abuse.
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More names are coming out all the time. The question
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is whether that results in people being brought to justice.
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I'm a little pessimistic at this point. Yeah, he's not
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the only one, and he has all rights to be
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because it is a cause for pessimism. You would think
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that when they had the chance here with Maxwell, they
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would have really extended the scope of what they were
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going for. But they didn't do it. And at the time,
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I've said a million times it's very concerning to see
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the small scope of what their charges are. And then
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come time for sentencing and the trial people are all
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shocked that a bunch of names weren't named. Well, if
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you were paying attention, you knew that this case was
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crafted in that manner. But now that Maxwell has been
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hammed up and they've had a successful prosecution here, you
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would think that they'd smell some blood in the water
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and they'd go harder in the paint. But that is
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not the case. During tuesday sentencing, Judge Alison Nathan named
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former Epstein associates Sarah Kellen as a knowing participant in
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the criminal conspiracy. The judge says this, and you mean
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to tell me there's no prosecutors sitting around right now
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stuffing their face full of expensive lunch food from Manhattan
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in the SDNY that wants to go after these people
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or after Sarah Kellen Vickers. Why is that mss Kellen
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was identified by survivors at Maxwell's trial as having booked
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them for massages with Ebste at his Palm Beach mansion.
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The defendant Maxwell was Epstein's number two and lady of
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the house, Judge Nathan said during the sentencing. At some
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point Kellen took over some of the defendant's duties, but
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even after that time, the defendant retained her leadership position,
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as evidenced by Carolyn's testimony. Yeah, that's how it broke down.
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She was the number two. I always break it down
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in terms like the mafia. You have Epstein, he's the boss,
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you have Maxwell the underboss, and John Luke Brunell. Well,
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that was the Conziglieri. And underneath all of them are
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the capos. And Sarah Kellen Vickers is as much of
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a capo as Mike Francisis was. Carolyn was one of
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the four survivors who testified at Maxwell's trial, and was
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only identified by her first name. Miss Roberts's claim she
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was trafficked to have sex with Harvard University law professor
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Alan Dershowitz. The allegation has not been proven, and Professor
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Dershowitz adamantly denies it or any knowledge of other offending.
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And he is not the only one, right Dershowitz certainly
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isn't the only one, But he's certainly one that had
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the finger pointed at him. But has that affected him, No,
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of course not. We saw mister I kept my underpants on.
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Has he lost any status or prestige? Has anyone kicked
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in his door? Stole his cell phone so they can
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go through records. None of that happened. Instead, the naked
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volleyball player of Martha's Vineyard finds himself in the spotlight
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once again, defending Donald Trump, this time so another person
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who has been credibly accused here has not had to
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answer any kind of serious questions from people in authority
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when it comes to what they're being accused of. In
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twenty nineteen, Miss Roberts sued Professor Dershowitz for defamation and distress,
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and he sends countersuitor. The case is ongoing. Professor Dershowitz
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told The Independent in an interview he had visited Epstein's
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home in Palm Beach and his private island, Little Saint James,
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and never seen any young or naked women. It was
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a deep, dark secret. Everything he did in part in
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a part of the house which was off limits to anybody.
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He said, nobody knew any of this. Nobody would have
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associated with Epstein if we had known any of this.
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Bro shut up, you're over there getting massages by who
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the hell knows who at his house. Mister I kept
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my underpants on, Dershowitz, and we all know what massage
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was synonymous for over in the world of Epstein. So
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Dershowitz is another one, and I'm glad he's going to
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get outed here in this defamation case. Dershowitz said he
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saw pictures on the walls of the Palm Beach Manchin
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of the Billionaire with famous people including Bill Clinton and
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Fidel castro h a man accused of sexual crime, and
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the dictator Fantastic company. He had me on the wall.
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I was one of the famous people, and believe me,
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I was fully dressed. You know, he likes he makes
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a joke of it, like anyone thinks he's funny, like
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his old ass is a comedian or something. Bro. The
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only thing funny is that you think people actually believe you.
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That's what's funny. He said he believed Maxwell's sentence and
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conviction was unjust. Of course he did Birds of a
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Feather and all right. Mister Boyce claimed it was stretching
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credulity for anyone in Epstein's orbit to maintain they couldn't
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have known what was going on. Everybody who was associated
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with the survivors has heard reams of testimony about how
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obvious it was what Epstein was doing. Survivor after survivor
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and law enforcement officers have testified how there were all
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these topless girls at the swimming pool and naked pictures
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of girls around the house. It was not something that
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people could miss, No, it wasn't. He had pieces of
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chess pieces carved into the likeness of his employees naked
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and shit. He had pictures of gross ass, stank ass,
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Gallaine Maxwell's busted ass all over the walls, naked and shit.
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What do you mean you missed it? Mister Boy's chairman
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and managing partner at Boys Schiller Flexner typically charges up
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to two thousand dollars an hour for his services, but
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he and fellow managing partner Sigared McCauley represented miss Roberts
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free of charge throughout their pursuit of Maxwell and Epstein.
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And that's great, that's good that they did that, But
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in reality, we know that they also did it to
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help their own profile. They know that moving forward, this
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is good for them. They win this case against these people, bang,
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they're gonna make a ton of dough. And the same
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goes for a prosecutor. And that's why it's so crazy
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to me that not one of these prosecutors, even a
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junior prosecutor hasn't stepped up to the plate and said, look,
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give me that whole entire case load and let me
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slam these fools in court. On Tuesday, Miss McCauley read
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a survivor impact statement from Miss Roberts which she described
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Maxwell as a wolf in sheep's clothing. You could have
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put an end to the rapes, the molestations, the sickening
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manipulations that you arranged, witnessed, and even took part in.
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You could have called the authorities and reported that you
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were part of something awful and she didn't. Right, And
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if you don't do that, then what you're complicit? Oh?
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I was scared. I was held against my will. Okay, Well,
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what happens when Epstein is gone from your life and
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you still have not come forward. Speculation that Maxwell could
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flip on her former associates in order to receive a
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reduced sentence has never eventuated. Her brother, Ian Maxwell told
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The Sunday Times in January that she had no plans
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to pursue a plea deal or offer up information about
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who else was involved. Maxwell has maintained her innocence and
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plans to appeal the verdict and the sentence. The Independent
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contacted the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of
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New York to ask if it plans to prosecute anyone
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else in relation to the conspiracy, and, if not, whether
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it would unseal any records related to the case. Public
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affairs chief Nicholas Biassi declined to comment. Oh, of course,
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that's what they'll say. Oh, it's an ongoing investigation. You
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can't have any of these files. You know, you the taxpayer.
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So if this is not an ongoing investigation still and
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they're not going after the co conspirators, they need to
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turn over and unseal every file that they have and
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then let's see what's what My guess is. Unfortunately, folks,
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they won't do either. All right, that's gonna do it.
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If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscoresp Ucci. The
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link that we discussed can be found in the description box.
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What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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David Boys, the lawyer for several of the survivors of
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Jeffrey Epstein has turned over their billing to the court
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and they're asking for a whole bunch of money from
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this settlement. David Boys revealed that he was billing the
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survivors two thousand, one hundred and ten dollars an hour. Now,
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chew on that number for a little while, folks, and
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think about it. How many people out there are making
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that in a whole month, and this guy is charging
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that for one hour worth of legal services. Now, of
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course they have it wrapped up as, oh, we're doing
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this out of the kindness of our heart. We're gonna
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help the survivors because we care about them. Meanwhile, they're
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taking thirty percent of the settlement that the survivors received
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from Deutsche Bank, So you need to take a full
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thirty percent, No homie hook up here, No, hey, we're
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gonna knock off ten to fifteen percent for all the
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bullshit you ladies have went through already. Nah, none of that,
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because remember, for everybody involved in this, it's all about
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getting rich, and it seems like everybody has gotten rich
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directly on the back of the suffering of these women
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and it's pretty gross. Honestly, you would think that enough
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is enough for some of these lawyers, right, David Boys,
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I'm sure he has plenty of money, but nah, we
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need to get that full thirty percent because I need
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an extra few million. Add that to the fact that
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the US Virgin Islands took what one hundred and five million?
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The American government took over one hundred and ninety million
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in taxes. So what does that leave these women with?
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Certainly not as much as they should be getting. That's
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for damn sure. Today we have an article from Reuters
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and the headline David Boys reveals two thousand, one hundred
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and ten dollars billing rate and Deutsche Bank bank fee bid.
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This article was authored by David Thomas. Leading litigator. David
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Boys hourly billing rate is now two thousand, one hundred
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and ten dollars. His law firm told to judge weighing
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attorney fees in a class action lawsuit brought by survivors
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of the late financier you mean pedophile Jeffrey Epstein against
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Deutsche Bank. So if they're getting this much here, how
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much are they going to get from that JP Morgan lawsuit? Well,
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I'll tell you how much. Thirty percent of two hundred
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and ninety million dollars, Well, i'll tell you how much.
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If they're doing the same exact rate, they're looking at
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clearing about eighty seven million dollars from the JP Morgan lawsuit.
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So if you add both of those up, you're looking
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at what one hundred and ten twenty million dollars roughly
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when all is said and done. And look, I'm not
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saying they shouldn't get paid for the work. They most
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certainly should. They did a lot of work here. They
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did a lot of studies, they did a lot of
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you know, leg work, all of that. But one hundred
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and ten million dollars worth of work here, I don't
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know about all that, folks. And I know, personally speaking,
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there's no way that I'd collect all that money while
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these women were getting the short end of the stick.
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Once again, and we know that that's the case. How
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many of these women had the brinkstruck really back up
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on their lawn besides Virginia, not very many of them.
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And how about the women that never even came forward.
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All this money being spread out to all these people
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like lawyers and the government and the US Virgin Islands.
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All these people that don't deserve one single cent, Well,
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the lawyers deserve to get paid, but all those other people,
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they don't deserve any of this money. Meanwhile, everybody is
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stuffing money in their pockets. Hand over fist. Boys and
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other lawyer's rates were disclassed in a fee petition his firm,
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Boys Schiller Flexner filed Friday in Manhattan Federal Court. Plaintiffs'
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lawyers in the case are asking the court to sign
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off on twenty two and a half million dollar fee award,
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representing thirty percent of seventy five million dollars settlement that
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was approved in June. The hourly rate figure places Boys,
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whose firm handles plaintiffs and defense side work, in still
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rarefied realm of attorneys who charge upwards of two thousand
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dollars an hour. Last year, he disclosed an hourly rate
26:35
of one thousand, nine hundred and fifty dollars as counsel
26:38
to plaintiffs in a federal privacy lawsuit against Google. Law
26:43
firms typically increase their rates every year. A spokesperson for
26:47
Boy Schiller did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
26:53
The Deutsche Bank lawsuit was led by a woman identified
26:56
as Jane doe I, a Boy's client, who said Epstein
27:00
sexually abused her from two thousand and three to twenty
27:03
eighteen and accused Deutsche Bank of missing red flags of
27:07
his misconduct. Meanwhile, the bank denied the claim. They might
27:11
have denied the claim, but they sure did pay out
27:13
a whole grip of dough. JP Morgan Chase in June
27:18
also agreed to pay about two hundred and ninety million
27:21
dollars to settle a similar class action lawsuit by Epstein victims,
27:25
who were also represented by Boys and others. The fee
27:29
petition in that case is due by October fifth, and
27:32
the plaintiffs could ask for fees as i as thirty
27:35
percent or eighty seven million dollars. Eighty seven million dollars,
27:41
so that means only two hundred and three million dollars
27:44
are going to go to the Epstein survivors. And it
27:47
sounds like a lot of money, and it is. There
27:49
is no doubt it's a lot of money. My point is,
27:53
why are these other entities getting so much of it now?
27:57
There is nothing wrong with these lawyer's collecting some money.
28:01
It's their job, right They should get paid for their work.
28:04
Nobody should be out here doing work for free unless
28:07
that's something you agree to. But when we're talking about
28:10
hundreds of millions of dollars in lawyer fees, I find
28:13
that to be as crazy and ridiculous as anything in
28:16
the whole world. And it shows you that if you
28:19
don't have do there is no way in hell that
28:21
you're gonna make the legal system bend to your advantage,
28:25
no chance whatsoever. Because if you're in trouble, do you
28:29
think that Boys and Chiller are showing up to help
28:32
you out? Hell? No. The only reason they showed up here,
28:35
let's be very honest, is because they knew that there
28:38
was a pot of gold at the end of this rainbow.
28:41
That's why they got involved, Not because you know, they
28:44
wanted to take down Jeffrey Epstein. I mean that might
28:46
have became part of it, but initially, if you don't
28:50
think this was about profits for people like David Boys,
28:53
you've lost the plot. Hourly lawyer rates reaching two thousand
28:57
dollars were practically unheard of just to decade ago, but
29:01
more recently they have steadily been creeping above that mark.
29:04
For some elite attorneys and We know that the lawyer
29:08
that Prince Andrew hired, Andrew Brettler, we know that he's
29:11
charging that kind of dough too. So I'm guessing that
29:14
most of the lawyers in this realm, that's what they're
29:17
charging these days, and that is crazy. The US last
29:21
year unsuccessfully objected to a two four hundred and sixty
29:25
five dollars hourly rate charged by Hogan levels ap Pellet.
29:29
Veteran Neil Coutell in a high stakes bankruptcy case involving
29:33
a Johnson and Johnson subsidiary. Covington and Berling said last
29:38
year in a filing that senior partner's top rate at
29:41
that firm was two thousand, five hundred dollars an hour.
29:45
So unless your bill gates, forget it, you're not gonna
29:47
get one of these firms to work for you. Now, unless,
29:51
of course, they're gonna get some money at the end
29:53
of it. Perhaps if there's some kind of class action
29:56
lawsuit they think they can win, Yeah, maybe they'll get involved.
30:00
But for most of us, this kind of legal help
30:03
is so far out of the realm of possibility that
30:06
it might as well only exist on Mars. Boys co
30:10
founded his firm in nineteen ninety seven. The same year,
30:13
he was hired by the US government in its anti
30:16
trust battle with Microsoft Court, boosting the firm's reputation as
30:21
a litigation powerhouse. He later represented Vice President Al Gore
30:26
in the US Supreme Court battle over the two thousand
30:29
presidential election recount. More recently, Boys faced criticism over his
30:35
work for Harvey Weinstein, the former Hollywood producer convicted of
30:39
rape in twenty twenty and felled blood testing startup Doranos.
30:44
Imagine this guy was out here working for Harvey Weinstein. Now,
30:48
I get it. That's your job, right, you got to
30:51
be a defense attorney, But you're certainly not some champion
30:55
of people who have been assaulted by Epstein or anyone else.
30:59
You didn't do this because you were concerned about society
31:03
or what this did to these women. Did it because
31:06
you were looking for that payday. And I don't think
31:08
there's any debate about that. If it was the case
31:12
of I want to help promote justice, wouldn't you be
31:15
out there in the community helping all kinds of people
31:18
who are downtrodden, who had no money for legal counsel.
31:22
But that's not what they're doing, right. I mean, maybe
31:25
they have some junior lawyers out there doing that, but
31:27
for the most part, lawyers like this, they look for
31:30
cases that they know they're gonna collect a gigantic king's
31:35
ransom at the end of it. And David Boyce and
31:38
the rest of the lawyers involved here, they were certainly
31:41
aware that they were on the hook or on the
31:44
line to get themselves a nice payday when all of
31:48
this was said and done. And hey, that's great, But
31:51
how come everybody is getting more money than the survivors.
31:55
That's the question that everybody should be asking, because I
31:58
have no idea how the people who were actually abused
32:01
end up getting less money than lawyers and you know,
32:04
the estate and everybody else involved. It's all absurd. All
32:09
of that money, or the vast majority of it, should
32:12
have been earmarked for the women, and then a nice
32:15
portion of it should have been put aside for women
32:18
who come forward later on with their claims. But that
32:22
didn't happen. And the women who didn't come forward, the
32:24
women who were abused and who have never said anything, well,
32:28
there's not going to be any kind of dough for
32:29
them if they do decide to come forward and bring
32:32
a complaint against the estate. And that's because all this
32:36
money has been divvied up between lawyers, between the estate,
32:39
between the federal government, and a few crumbs were tossed
32:43
to the survivors. But hey, David Boys is going to
32:46
get another yacht out of the deal, So I guess
32:49
everything's a okay, all right, everybody that's going to do
32:52
it for this one. If you'd like to contact me,
32:55
you can do that at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com.
32:59
That's Bo Bby capu Cci at ProtonMail dot com. All
33:05
of the information that goes with this episode can be
33:08
found in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome
33:12
back to the Epstein Chronicles. According to a new article
33:17
from Law three sixty, one of Jeffrey Epstein's survivors, Sarah Ransom,
33:24
has filed a grievance against her former lawyer, David Boyce,
33:27
alleging that he mistreated her while representing her in a
33:31
civil case against Epstein, Glaine Maxwell, and three of their
33:35
alleged co conspirators. Now, right off the bat, that's pretty
33:41
gross on its face. Right. If that is the case,
33:45
then that's a pretty gross misconduct and a pretty disgusting
33:50
way to go about your business. You see, I've never
33:53
really been a big fan of lawyers in the first place. Folks,
33:56
and especially you get high profile lawyers. They're all smarmy,
34:00
all of them. They're all looking for They're looking for
34:03
a payday, right, That's what they all want, And that's
34:06
basically what was going on here, according to this grievance
34:10
filed by Sarah Ransom. So why don't we just dive
34:14
into this article and try and unpack it and see
34:17
what's what This article is from Law three sixty headline
34:22
David boys faces grievance complaint over Epstein case. This article
34:29
was authored by Lucia Osborne Crowley, a survivor of Jeffrey
34:36
Epstein's sex trafficking ring, has filed a grievance against her
34:40
former lawyer, David Boyce, alleging he mistreated her while representing
34:44
her in a civil case against Epstein, Gallainne Maxwell, and
34:48
three of their alleged co conspirators. So again, looks real
34:52
bad right off the jump, right, How could you, as
34:55
a lawyer misrepresent somebody who's already been abused? Sarah Ransom
35:01
told Law three sixty exclusively in an interview before the
35:04
August nineteenth filing, that she feels betrayed by Boys, the
35:08
chair and managing partner of Boys Schiller Flexner, LLP, and
35:13
his firm, so that's everybody who was working on the case.
35:17
Her complaint, filed with New York's Attorney Grievance Committee, covers
35:21
conduct by Boys and other members of the legal team
35:24
he led while representing her from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty,
35:30
so over the span of four years while Sarah Ransom
35:34
was pursuing justice for the abuse she suffered. She says
35:38
in this complaint that her best interest was not being
35:41
represented by this law firm. Among the allegations, she claims
35:47
Boys and his legal team pressured her into giving a
35:50
deposition to help Virginia Roberts case against Maxwell, and did
35:54
not properly represent Ransom's interests in her own case, which
35:59
the Boys Schiller team guided to settlement. Roberts is also
36:03
a survivor of Epstein's sex trafficking scheme and has settled
36:07
lawsuits with Maxwell, Epstein's former girlfriend co conspirator General all
36:11
Around Scusbag, since convicted of procuring girls for the late
36:15
financier pedophile and Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, settled
36:19
a civil sexual abuse claim brought by Roberts in early
36:23
twenty twenty two. Boys mistreated me, and I feel completely
36:28
betrayed by him, Ransom said. And you should never feel
36:31
like that, right. You should never feel like an afterthought,
36:34
or like your case doesn't matter to your lawyer, or
36:36
that they're trying to manipulate your situation to help somewhere else.
36:41
That should never be the case. Ransom's current lawyer, James
36:47
Marsh of Marsh Law Firm, PLLC, helped Ransom prepare the
36:51
formal complaint to the Attorney Grievance Committee detailing Boy's alleged misconduct.
36:57
Sarah has always been her own best advocate, and she
37:00
has always been incredible at fighting for justice, Marsh told
37:03
Law three sixty. I agree with that fully. All of
37:06
these survivors who came forward and confronted these people have
37:10
always been their own best advocates. It's just about getting
37:13
the word out right, amplifying what they already have to say.
37:17
How many times do I say it? Don't go to
37:20
a reporter or anyone. Listen to what these survivors have
37:23
to say. If you want to know what really happened,
37:25
because that's the road map to get you where you
37:28
want to go. Ransom had little personal contact with Boys,
37:34
interacted mostly with other attorneys at Boys Schiller. She confirmed
37:37
the law three sixty. She spoke to him once over
37:40
the phone and met him in person when she addressed
37:43
the court in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's death in twenty nineteen.
37:47
Despite the limited interactions, she holds him responsible for the
37:51
alleged misconduct. Hey, look, at the end of the day,
37:55
what do I always say, personal responsibility? Right, If you're
37:57
the boss, it's no different than at the dog. If
38:00
you're the big boss, you're the head honcho over here
38:02
at the law firm. When the shit comes down, you're
38:05
gonna be the one who's taking a big bite of
38:07
the sandwich. And I don't blame her for her holding
38:11
him responsible. If she feels like that and she feels
38:13
like she was wronged, I take it straight to the top. Two.
38:16
Of course, you're mad at whoever you were working with,
38:19
But you know i'd be mad at the man who's
38:21
in charge. When I had my car accident, I didn't
38:24
work with the guy who runs the law firm. I
38:27
had one of his associates managing my case. But if
38:30
shit would have went sideways, I would have held him responsible.
38:33
And I'm sure it's you know, the same sort of
38:35
situation here, amplified by about fifty million, Right, You're gonna
38:40
hold people responsible that are part of the company, especially
38:44
the person who's running the company. We are surprised and
38:52
disappointed if the statements attributed to miss Ransom accurately reflect
38:57
what she has said. A boy Schiller spoke person said,
39:01
those statements are not accurate and are inconsistent with the record,
39:05
including what she has publicly said and written in the past.
39:09
We have great sympathy for what miss Ransom has endured
39:12
and we wish her well. I mean, those are pretty
39:15
words in all but obviously Miss Ransom's feel in some
39:18
kind of way, and she feels like she was wronged
39:22
and that the law firm in general, led by David Boyce,
39:26
didn't represent her best interest, not in the least. Boys
39:32
Schiller's dedication to helping shut down Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking
39:36
ring and to finding justice for survivors has involved the
39:39
battles spanning nearly a decade and an incredible resource commitment
39:43
by the firm. That includes thousands of pro bono hours
39:46
by our attorneys and staff. The spokesperson continued, it always
39:50
comes down the money, right, And I said that from
39:52
Jump Street, with all of these lawyers, oh pro bono,
39:55
this pro bono, that, well, it all comes down to
39:57
the dough. They're not doing it from the kindness of
39:59
their heart. They're doing it because they feel like they
40:01
can get some shine for their law firm. And that's fine, right.
40:05
As long as you represent the best injuries of your clients,
40:08
then it's all good. That's how it's supposed to work.
40:11
I did this great job for you, and in turn
40:14
I can use that to springboard my career further into
40:17
the stratosphere. But if your client is feeling like she
40:21
has not been represented correctly, especially in something as serious
40:25
as this, I think that's a big problem, folks. I
40:28
really think that's a problem. The firm said it has
40:32
not been given a copy of the grievance and has
40:35
not been able to review it legally. Under New York
40:38
State's ethical rules, we are prevented from responding to many
40:41
details in this article. We ask Miss Ransom's counsel for
40:45
permission to do so. In order to correct factual inaccuracies,
40:49
and they have not responded. The spokesperson said, so that's
40:52
a bunch of legal ees, right. I have no idea
40:54
that it's going to be. You know, the law firms
40:56
going back and forth about he said, She said, what
40:59
can I release? You know how it gets with lawyers,
41:02
becomes a whole giganticcesspool of court filings and they'll come
41:06
in a flurry. So we'll just have to stay on
41:08
top of them and see see what happens. Right. Ransom
41:14
told Law three sixty that when she first engaged Boys
41:17
in his firm, Boys instructed her that they would only
41:20
represent her in civil case against Epstein, Maxwell and alleged
41:24
co conspirators Leslie Groff, Sarah Kellen, and Natalia Malashev. If
41:29
she agreed, agreed to give a detailed deposition in Robert
41:33
civil case against Maxwell, that's completely ridiculous. If that's the case.
41:40
If that's the case and Boys and Schiller did that,
41:43
that is completely out of line. You should never leverage
41:47
one of your one client to do something for another
41:50
client to try and you know, benefit monetarily. That's absolutely insane.
41:56
And if that occurred, then Boys and companies gonna have
41:59
to answer for that. I did not want to give
42:03
that deposition, but I was told I had to or
42:06
they wouldn't represent me. Ransom said she believes the law
42:10
firm did this to boost settlement chances for their other client,
42:13
Virginia Roberts. Yikes. That is a pretty powerful statement there
42:19
by Sarah Ransom. And you know what she feels strongly
42:23
about it, strongly enough that there's this grievance here right,
42:28
strongly enough that she's talking about it and bringing it
42:30
up and not sitting on it. So again, this is
42:33
serious stuff here, folks, very very serious stuff, and gonna
42:37
be some choppy legal water for Bose to, I mean
42:41
boys to navigate. Graff, Kellen, and Malashev all worked for
42:48
Epstein and have been accused, including in Ransom's lawsuit, of
42:52
enabling his sex trafficking scheme. I did not want to
42:56
give that deposition, but I was told I had to
42:59
or they wouldn't represent me. Ransom said she believes the
43:02
law firm did this to boost settlement chances for their
43:05
other client, Roberts. Yikes. And look, I gotta tell you,
43:09
I have no reason not to believe what Sarah Ransom's
43:12
saying here, why would she come out and just make
43:14
these statements, right, So we'll have to see what the
43:18
response is by Boys and company. But boy, oh boy,
43:21
not looking good, not looking good at all. That's a
43:25
clear conflict of interest, Ransom said, yeah, it certainly is.
43:31
Ransom's grievance also brings up threats to the privacy of
43:34
her two thousand and seven deposition as part of another
43:37
case the firm brought on behalf of Roberts, this time
43:40
against Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz. Roberts has accused Dershowitz of
43:45
sexually abusing her while she was being trafficked by Epstein,
43:48
and to suit him for defamation after he responded to
43:52
these allegations by calling her a certified, complete, total liar.
43:56
So that has been going back and forth now in
43:58
the courts for quite some time. And we all know
44:01
the allegations Virginia has made against Alan Dershowitz, and they've
44:06
been battling it out in court with this defamation case
44:09
that's been separate from the other stuff. So there's a
44:11
lot to unpack there for those of you who might
44:14
be new to the case. Certainly a lot going on
44:20
while Ransom's grievance says Boys Boyce Schiller asked the court
44:24
to unseal the deposition, court records indicate it was Dershowitz
44:27
in twenty twenty who pressed the court to unseal all
44:30
confidential evidence produced in Roberts versus. Maxwell. At that time,
44:36
Boyce Schiller had already been disqualified from representing Roberts in
44:39
the Dershowitz case since its attorneys could be called upon
44:43
to testify as part of the underlying allegations in the
44:46
case according to a court order, So Chuck Cooper is
44:50
in charge of this portion of the case now for Virginia,
44:53
and as far as the lawyers from Boys Schiller, well,
44:57
they could be called to testify by Dershowitz because he
45:00
was suing Boys as well. Oh the tangled web we weave.
45:08
Other attorneys for Roberts were on board with at least
45:11
disclosing records that directly concerned Dershowitz. However, before making its
45:15
decision on the bid to unseal records, the court asked
45:18
the Jane Does which included Ransom, to register any objection.
45:23
Ransom added that Boys Shiller, who were her attorneys at
45:26
the time, did not inform her about the unsealing attempt,
45:29
nor that she she would have to file an objection
45:33
to protect her deposition. So basically, she's saying that they
45:37
outed her without her permission, a deposition that was supposed
45:40
to be kept secret. They basically used her deposition and
45:44
her statement under oath that she thought was private to
45:47
help bolster Virginia's case. That's what she's saying here, and
45:53
that Boys and Schiller were negligent. Ransom was informed by
46:00
another Epstein survivor, Maria Farmer, and had to approach Boys
46:04
Schiller to ask what was going on and how they
46:06
could help her file an objection. According to emails seen
46:09
by Law three sixty, this is absurd and absolutely terrible
46:13
work on behalf of Boys and Schiller. They let me
46:19
down greatly by saying they couldn't represent me in my
46:21
objection to the unseiling. Ransom told Law three sixty they
46:25
never inform me until literally right at the last moment,
46:28
when it was highly unlikely I could find legal representation
46:31
and file emotion in time. That's that's low too, that's garbage.
46:37
It's typical lawyers shit though, right, I mean the whole
46:41
legal profession smarmy is held to me. And I've said
46:44
it a million times on here about lawyers like Gloria
46:47
Allred and her daughter, and you know every one of
46:52
these lawyers really that you see that come on TV
46:54
and they have this smug look on their face and
46:57
it's just it's all bad. It's all about money, right.
47:00
They call accident lawyers ambulance chasers, but really that's what
47:04
all of these people are after. They're all after trying
47:06
to secure that bag. Oh how can I make some
47:08
more money for myself. The court did end up granting
47:14
an extension to the Jane Does, which gave Ransom time
47:17
to secure a new representation in August. On August twenty fifth,
47:21
twenty twenty, a letter that followed Ransom's current lawyers, Robert
47:25
Lewis and Marsh Marsh excuse me urge the court not
47:28
to grant disclosure of the materials and that Ransom should
47:32
not now be forced to endure further emotional turmoil by
47:35
being pulled unwillingly into another round of heated litigation with
47:40
its attendant public feeding frenzy. So basically, she's saying she
47:44
wanted nothing to do with it. She wanted some privacy
47:46
she gave the first deposition, and she didn't want this
47:49
one to get yanked into the new litigation. Do you
47:52
blame her? I mean, come on, how much can one
47:54
person take, especially when you feel like you're not even
47:57
being represented. It was one hundred percent my understanding that
48:03
my deposition would be kept confidential. They promised me it
48:06
would be hidden, Ransom told Law three sixty. They knew
48:10
that deposition had sensitive material about my private life and family,
48:14
which I was incredibly embarrassed about. Is horrible, man. You
48:18
shouldn't be outing people, especially if it's your client, right
48:22
if they say to you, look, I don't want this
48:24
to get out there. There's a reason it's sealed in
48:26
the first place. Why are you working to get that
48:28
unsealed if it shouldn't be, and especially if it doesn't
48:32
pertain to getting actual justice. US District Judge Louretta Presca
48:39
in September twenty twenty ultimately granted Dershowitz's request to access
48:44
sealed materials in the Maxwell case that reference Dershowitz, which
48:48
could could be made public if the case heads to trial.
48:52
Ransom takes issue with actions beyond the deposition and the
48:57
disclosure controversy. So it really looks like she's being saying
49:01
that she's being pulled into something that has nothing even
49:03
to do with her, and she's being used basically as leverage.
49:07
And it's you know, her confidential deposition that she gave
49:12
under oath that was supposed to stay sealed. So I, honestly,
49:16
I don't blame her for feeling like she's been stabbed
49:19
in the back here. If I was in her shoes,
49:21
I'd feel the same way, honestly. Among her chief concerns,
49:28
she argues that she is disturbed by a photo of
49:31
boys at a dinner with Bill and Hillary Clinton. Well,
49:34
that's a shaka rubbing shoulders with them. Why should that
49:37
shock anybody? Again, folks, remember all of these high profile lawyers,
49:42
they're all part of the so called elite. Right. Every
49:45
now and then, an enemy of an enemy is your friend.
49:47
They'll end up showing up and you know, going after
49:50
a guy like stank Ass, Harvey Weinstein or Epstein, And
49:53
that's great, but remember what you're dealing with. Remember the
49:56
scorpion and the frog story we talked about yesterday, same thing.
50:00
It's just in their nature. The photo was originally circulated
50:06
in twenty eighteen, after Ransom had agreed to be represented
50:10
by Boys and Schiller. Ransom says that she considers the
50:13
personal relationship a conflict of interest because Epstein allegedly used
50:17
his friendship with Bill Clinton to encourage girls to join
50:21
his circle. Well, what do you know, somebody else coming
50:24
out and saying it to all those people who keep
50:26
asking me why I bring up Bill Clinton, here's your
50:29
reason right here. These girls want answers, and these girls
50:34
themselves once again, I don't bother going to the middleman.
50:38
I listen to what these girls have to say, what
50:40
these ladies have to say, and that's what I base
50:43
my opinions on, following the evidence to wherever it leads us.
50:49
And according to multiple survivors, one of the biggest catches
50:55
for Jeffrey Epstein was his relationship with Bill Clinton. He
50:58
used that to ulster his trafficking. That's what these ladies say.
51:07
Juliette Bryant, another survivor of Epstein's sex trafficking ring, told
51:12
Law three sixty that she met Epstein when she was
51:15
in Cape Town with when he was in Cape Town
51:17
with Bill Clinton. This gave him credibility. She is telling
51:20
you that not me, all right, Juliette is telling you
51:25
that the fact that Bill Clinton was with him gave
51:28
him credibility and that led to the abuse, or played
51:32
a part in it at the very least the enabling
51:34
of it. Ransom says that despite Boys' well known work
51:39
on behalf of the Clinton administration, ensuing Microsoft and representing
51:44
former Vice President Al Gore in the fallout over the
51:47
two thousand presidential election, the connection never occurred to her.
51:51
I mean, it makes sense, right, Could that be a
51:54
conflict of interest? Could you be trying to protect your
51:56
buddy Bill Clinton? Still? Is that what's going on? Look?
52:00
I don't know, but we need to get to the
52:02
bottom of it. I don't know how many times I
52:04
have to say it here on this podcast. Scorched Earth
52:07
policy anyone involves with these people, trying to help them out,
52:12
trying to enable them, trying to whitewash what they did.
52:16
It's not gonna fly, and eventually the truth is gonna rise. Ransom,
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who also alleges she was asked to put her name
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to an op ed written by another attorney who works
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closely with Boys, John Stanley Pottinger, titled how David Boyce
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saved me. Pottinger, also a high profile attorney, served as
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Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights during the Nixon and
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Ford administration. It runs deep. Look, if you're one of
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these high profile lawyers, chances are you were running the
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hollowed halls of one of these Skelly ass places we
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always talk about, Harvard or Yale or one of these
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other places where you know, the fancy lads go to
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get educations. Ransom agreed to say she had written the piece,
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but said she felt as though she couldn't say no.
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According to the Grievance, Potinger did not respond to her
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request for confirmation or comment. I don't really know what's
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going on there. I mean, that's a lot, right, and
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if that's how Sarah feels, then people need to take
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it seriously. The piece was published under Ransom's name in
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The New York Times on November fifteenth, twenty seventeen. I
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feel that they used me, Ransom told Law three sixty.
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That's absolutely brutal to read, really brutal to read. As
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if these ladies haven't suffered enough, they have to get
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revictimized by the lawyers, by the government by It's crazy.
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Ransom's claim is not the first time Boys has been
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accused of crossing ethical lines. Actress Rose McGowan claimed he
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helped former client Harvey Weinstein cover up sexual misconduct allegations
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by hiring an Intel Diligen's firm to collect information on her,
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and he has also been separately accused of hiring that
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firm to suppress a New York Times story on Weinstein.
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Wherever the money goes, that's where these lawyers are going
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to follow. It's all about the money, the money, the money.
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How much money can this client pay me? Notice, none
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of these people, none of these big shot lawyers, were
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running down to Riker's Island to see if Khalif Browder
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needed some representation. Under the terms of the settlement that
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Boys Schiller secured for her ransom is not allowed to
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disclose how much he received, but she told Law three
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sixty she is not happy with the outcome and felt
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pressure to accept the settlement in the wake of an
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attempted suicide so terrible. A lawyer should never pressure their
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client into taking a lesser amount if the client feels
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like the lawyer should go get more, my man, tie
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on your lawyering shoes, your stupid ass bow tie and
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get to work. I was in no fit state to
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make a decision like that, and I would not have
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accepted that settlement if I had understood that I wasn't
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being properly represented. Emails seen by Law three sixty also
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showed that lawyers at Boys Schiller helped Ransom delay a
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deposition in the wake of her suicide attempt and injuries
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because she was not in a fit state to give evidence. Well,
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if you're not in a fit state to give evidence,
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how are you in a fit state to accept a settlement?
55:33
That seems to be a bit counterintuitive. No, However, she
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was also asked to accept the settlement in that state,
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according to photos and emails seen by Law three sixty. Look,
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it's not looking good for Boys and Schillers here, of folks,
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Boys and Chiller certainly not looking good at all. Pottinger
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advised Ransom to settle the case at an early stage
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to keep cost According to an email scene by Law
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three sixty, to keep costs down? What does that even mean?
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How about we pursue these people to the ends of
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the earth, and who cares how much it costs? We
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are just on the verge of racking up larger costs
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as the case comes closer to trial, and there will
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be more depositions, more travel, the retention of expert witnesses,
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and the like, Pottinger wrote, But right now neither side
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has accumulated big costs, which suggests this suggests this is
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the time to settle. If settlement is a possibility now,
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I don't even get it. Okay, but only if it's
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in your client's best interest, And according to Sarah, she's
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saying that that's not the case. Ransom now believes that
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Boys and his firm did not have her best interest
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in mind when running her civil litigation. In twenty twenty,
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Ransom expressed this view to Brad Edwards, an attorney who
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was working alongside Boy Schiller on her case, in an
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email scene by Law three sixty. I no longer want
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to be represented by Boys and Shiller, Ransom wrote, I
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understand this is complex, but I don't feel they have
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worked in my interest or the other survivors. In his
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reply to that email, Edwards declined to take over her
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representation but encourage Ransom to voice her concerns to Boys
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and Shiller. Edwards did not respond to Law three sixties
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requests for comment. Ransom is represented by Robert Lewis and
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James Marsh of Marsh Law Firm PLLLC. Always disappointing when
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you hear stuff like that, huh. And as as far
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as Brad Edwards goes, I wonder why he wouldn't take
57:38
her case over. Maybe some kind of conflict of interest
57:40
or I'm interested to see how all involved parties respond,
57:46
because these are pretty serious accusations here, and Sarah Ransom
57:51
should certainly not be manipulated or used as a piece
57:54
on the chess board. Her case should be just as
57:57
important as anyone else's, and her lawyer should be pursuing
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her interests first. So let's see what comes to this one, folks.
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But seems to me that we're just at the very
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beginning here. All right. That's gonna do it for this episode.
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