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Hebrews Part 38 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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OK, welcome to our weekly Bible study One More Time where we
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inspect God's Word and we let it transform our lives.
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The three of us are going to go through Hebrews here tonight and
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discuss some of the verses here regarding faith.
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Ministries. Tonight we are going to go
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through Hebrews 11 starting in verse that told you guys 31.
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It would be actually 32, but we'll start at 31 since that's
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what I said. And maybe maybe we can make it
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through the end of the chapter tonight.
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Possibly. We'll see how that turns.
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So, but anyway, I would ask Aaron to lead us in a word of
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prayer before we get started. Our most holy and righteous
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Father, we are thankful again for your word and just are
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grateful that you are able to preserve it for us all this time
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and all these years and just ask for guidance as we study it.
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Pray that you'd give all those that hear it open ears to hear
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and that they would be willing and prepared to their hearts
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prepared to hear the truth. Just pray the God that you'd
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help us to say something might encourage them to place their
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trust in you or to grow their faith that they already have in
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you just asked. You'd be with us as we speak
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what we speak that you would help us to only speak those
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things that that you would find pleasing and that you would
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guide us in help us to to hold her mouth and we when we are not
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being LED of your spirit. Just pray that you'd watch over
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all those that need our prayers so desperately at this time,
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especially for our country. All these things we ask from
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Christ, precious name, Amen. Amen.
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All right, so a couple of things before we get started here.
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Some of you might know Andrew, he would won't be on tonight.
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They had a terrible accident with a friend of theirs, his
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son, who died in that accident at Andrew Sawbill last week.
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So just keep Andrew, that community there in Ohio in your
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prayers. And also Melvin's off tonight.
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He is sick. So pray for Melvin too if you
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would like. So I just keep keep those as
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your prayers. That D1 Ohio was very tragic.
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So I know that God is gracious and He is a giver of love and
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peace and joy even in the darkest times, and I am not
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afraid for them, but my heart goes out to them.
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Yeah. As anyone, anyone would.
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What a terrible, terrible catastrophe there.
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So anyway, so back to Hebrews 11.
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Here we are going through the faith chapter and it has been
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exciting for me to learn of some of these characters and how that
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faith was accounted to them. I found that interesting.
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One of the concepts that was. Brought out really neatly.
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That just sticks in my mind is how that every example of faith
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had a time period in it before it was counted for their
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righteousness or counted as as faith.
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And there was a time in there. Some of the characters had a
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time from the time they were asked to do something till the
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time that that it got fulfilled, maybe 7 days in the case of
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Joshua, Moses, they might have been, you know, or yeah, Moses,
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it was what, 40 years? Some it was 120 years of time
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that from the time God spoke something and they believed in
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it and, and acted on it till it actually got fulfilled.
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And I find it interesting. That's, that's just a good
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concept for each of us to keep in our minds.
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I think as, as we, as we trust a promise of God to not give up.
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Just because we don't see it today does not mean God is a
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liar. It just means that the time
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hasn't come to fulfill it yet. And so I mean it's that's been
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that's been encouraging in my walk just going through these
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last few. So anyway, all that to say, I'll
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read verse 31 and we'll just we'll just bounce off of there
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to kind of get a a running start here.
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And this is the the last kind of by faith the harlot Rahab perish
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not with them that believe not when she had received the spies
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with peace. And there it seems like to me
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that she really believed a report that she.
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Heard. That caused her to do something
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because she believed that God actually was going to do what he
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said he would and she believed that and she was called into the
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she was written about in the faith chapter.
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I find that really interesting. Dad, go ahead with your thoughts
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on the the harlot. Rahab, be an idiot.
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I find it quite interesting. The first thing that I always
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point out about this verse is that it actually calls her the
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Harlot. Yeah, You know, I hope people
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don't introduce me that way to others.
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Oh, this is Dan the deceiver. You know, he, he trusted God and
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and now he's, he's righteous, Right.
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But just to call her that, like, notice that no matter who you
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are, no matter what you've done, God is not a respecter of
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persons. And he'll take the worst of the
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worst. Some of the people that we deem
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the worst in our society today, and I think rightfully so, are
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men who sell women for sex or women who sell their own bodies.
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They have no integrity. They have no self respect.
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They have no respect for other people.
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They're porno pornographers and all that kind of stuff.
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And we just write them out of our books as those are people
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not to associate with. And here we have the last person
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in the Hall of Faith labeled still as the harlot Rahab.
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Like, you know, what she was doing before these spies
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appeared, She was not going to church and right, you know,
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burning candles to the Lord or saying some prayers she did.
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The previous people who had were at her door were there for other
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reasons, you know, like you don't have to be a good
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religious person to trust God. She saw these spies come.
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She had been hearing about the the, the people of Israel.
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She saw them perhaps over the Jordan River gathering together,
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making their move to come over the Jordan.
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And she knew we're in trouble. And I've heard big things about
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their God. Their God has done some
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extraordinary stuff for them. And so he or she is as sinful
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and as dirty and as ugly and as unrighteous as possible.
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And she perished not with them that believe, not because she
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received the spies with peace. And so it's a huge lesson for us
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today, too, that she didn't stop being a harlot to become a
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Christian or to or to get saved in this sense.
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She didn't become a Christian in the in the in the biblical New
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Testament sense of the word, but he or she were was as
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unrighteous and ungodly as possible.
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And she trusted God. She believed God.
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And because of that, you know, it doesn't say here that she was
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counted righteous, but she and her whole household were saved.
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They perished not because she believed that God was good and
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that God would save them. She asked the spies to spare
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her, and they said that that would be the case.
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And so all of Jericho fell except for her one little
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section where that scarlet cord was outside of the window,
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right? And so pretty extraordinary
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story to think about that. And not only that, if she gets
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written about here in the Hall of Faith, but she also makes it
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into the genealogy of Christ, right?
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So pretty extraordinary stuff. That's so good there's.
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Welcome, Andrew. Good to see you.
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Yeah, I guess I'll say the same thing, just a little different
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way is. I mean, he kind of said this
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already, but to what I was thinking was the man was there.
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Like the reason nobody at first thought anything about these men
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being there is because she is a Harley, right?
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In other words, there was nothing funny about these men
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out of town, men going to her house because she is a harlot.
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And like Dan said, there's she didn't, she did not do anything
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leading up to that. You see no change of life until
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the moment that she just says, Oh my goodness, you guys are
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from that God. Please save me, right?
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I mean, you guys are here as spies from that God.
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There was nothing she she did not have to.
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I know we say this all the time. She didn't have to go through a
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course, she didn't have to go through a Bible study.
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She all she simply did was said I believe that we are done for.
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And, and like we pointed out last week, she's the only one in
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that city. And, and I would almost say, I
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mean she might have convinced her whole house by the time the
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walls fall down. But at this.
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Point. She's the only one in the city
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and in the house. Like as far as in in the
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beginning, she may have convinced her family, but as far
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as I can tell, she's the only one in that whole city,
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including maybe some or all those that was saved in her
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house that did believe this story.
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Like literally the only one that did believe this story.
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Now, like I said, she may have convinced her family, but at
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this point, she's all one believes this.
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That's what it says by faith the harlot, the Rahab, the harlot
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Rahab perished not with them that believed not so all the
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rest of the people in the city did not believe.
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And I just think. That's like I said it.
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She was, we would have all looked down at that and said she
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was the least likely to believe and yet she was the only one
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that did believe. But yeah, yeah, that's so good.
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And Andrew, I'll let you go next.
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But I was I was looking here where that is in Joshua, where
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that is recorded. Let's see if I can find it here.
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Is is that when those men came up to her, she said, for we know
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we heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea for you
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when you came out of Egypt and what she did unto the 2 kings of
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the Emirates that they were on the other side of Jordan, Sion
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and hog, whom ye utterly destroyed.
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And as soon as we heard these things are hardened and melt.
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Neither did there remain any more courage in any man because
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of you for the Lord your God, He is God in heaven above and in
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earth beneath. Now I therefore pray you.
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And he goes on to ask and it's incredible to me that they they
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kind of heard this second hand. They heard this rumor like
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reading the newspaper and we read in the newspaper how this
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God delivered and and kept them and they just that caused them
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to believe that this God was righteous and that he was a
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creator God of the universe that would bring things to pass in
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the exact way that he actually said that he would.
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That's exciting. Go ahead.
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Yeah, it's cool. I like how that when they came
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in, I think it's significant that she received them with
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peace like she didn't she didn't push back because it said it
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says that the hall we have perished, not with them that
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believe not when she had received despised with peace.
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She wasn't pushing back or anything like that.
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And then when she found out who their God was, then she was all
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in. So I want the gospel to do that
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same thing to us today is when we find out, oh, that's that.
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Like that's what people are talking about when they talk
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about Jesus Christ. I mean, no resistance.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's good stuff.
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Amen. All right, verse 32.
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And what shall I sell? And what shall I more say?
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For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and of Barack and
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of Samson and of Jephthah and of of David also and Samuel and of
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the prophets who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought
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righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of
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lions, quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the
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sword out of weakness, were made strong, waxed valiant in fight,
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turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
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So it looks like the writers giving up on, on wasting paper
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here just to keep on going and going and going and going with
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these, all these stories. Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, my mind always goes back to, I mean, you label
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any one of these people and you can get into their story and you
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can see how much they failed God.
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And they don't seem like the epitome of great men like the
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first one. Gideon.
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How many times did he not doubt God and test God and say, God,
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give me another sign. Show me another thing.
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He was he was not this great, great man of faith.
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And yet we look back at them from the Hebrews perspective
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here and say these people believe God and it moved them
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into action. It did actually cause them to do
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the thing that they were called to do, you know, several times
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asking for a sign and doesn't happen.
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Barrick wouldn't go into battle until the real hero of the
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story, Deborah, joins him. And he says, I'm not going to
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battle unless you come. And so Deborah kind of ends up
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leading them. And here Barrick gets the credit
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for it. Samson, we all know, you know,
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he was not a great man. He was a womanizer.
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And he liked this woman and that woman.
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And he just demanded these things of his parents.
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And yet he was moved by faith in the end that destroyed the enemy
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of the people of God and set them free, right.
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David, the man after God's own heart.
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There we have one redeeming person here, but the same time
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we, you know, he commits murder and he commits adultery and but
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by faith he slew Goliath and many other great feats that he
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did. Samuel, we read of his
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faithfulness to God and yet we read of his shortcomings and
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raising his own children. And yet nonetheless, he believed
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God. And then you could go through
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each one of these like it would pay dividends to do this is go
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through each one of these little comments that he makes.
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He talks about subdued kingdoms. There's actual stories of
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kingdoms subdued wrought righteousness.
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Like each one of these little examples is another hint to
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another story of the Old Testament that would prove this
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example a time and again that people moved by faith.
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It the faith that they received the the thing they believed was
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sufficient motivation to cause them to move and to do the thing
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and they they overcame and they accomplished these things by
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faith. And yet not all of them are
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these great accomplishments like you can think man subduing
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Kingdom sounds good. Rotting righteousness.
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I like that obtaining promises, stopping mouths of lions.
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But he also talks about, you know, later on being stoned and
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sauna sunder, right. So it's not all glorious and
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beautiful, but their faith had so convinced their mind of a
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truth that was outside of themselves that it motivated
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them and moved them through the most difficult circumstances to
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continue to go in a certain direction.
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And by it they obtained all these things right.
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How about that? That's pretty cool.
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Aired. Yeah, I agree.
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Actually, I have a little regret that he didn't go on because.
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Yeah. Of the of the details we got in
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Hebrews about some of these other stories you don't get
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anywhere else. So it's like, oh man, just tell
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us about that. You know, tell us those other
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stories. But but like Dan already touched
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on, and we're going to see it in just a second, is walking by
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faith is not going to have an exact outcome.
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In other words, and it might. And it and when I say that it's
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not going to have an exact outcome in the positive or the
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negative, what we would look at is positive or negative.
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You know, like, like Dan already said, these this is the this is
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the list of things that because of their faith, they were able
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to accomplish. And we look at them and then we
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say, wow, what a great story, what a great accomplish, what a
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great thing. And actually really up to this
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point, the ones that he went in detail all for the most part, I
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mean, they were all the same way.
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They accomplished something, right?
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There was something positive that came out of it or something
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that was. Effectual to other.
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People or benefited others and then but you're going to see
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that walking by faith it might have here in a minute.
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It might have it might have a death sentence with it right.
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I mean this had sentences of great accomplishment, but it
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might also have a sentence of death with it.
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But I just said that to say is it doesn't really matter the
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outcome. What really matters is that they
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believed God regardless of the outcome right.
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I mean that's what really matters.
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They believed God and went. Forward whether it.
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Was this great accomplishment or whether it meant their death,
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they followed what they believed God said or told them to do or
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would have them do. And that's the thing that I
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think, you know, we need to focus on, whether it's the
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positive great outcomes or the seemingly negative things.
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Yeah, that's that's really good, Andrew.
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If we go back in the beginning and Hebrews one and says in
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verse one God who has sent the times and divers manners spake
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and time passed unto the fathers by the prophets.
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So I was going to focus a little bit on the prophets that he
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mentioned in the one you read and also in Romans 1-2, Paul
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says which he had promised afford by his prophets in the
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Holy Scriptures. So we're starting to see a
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little picture of the significance of the prophets.
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And then verse chapter 3, verse 21 in Romans says, but now the
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righteousness of God without the law is manifested being
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witnessed by the law and the prophets.
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So the prophets and the law and these characters of faith, I
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think is a witness of the faith that we now have.
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And it's a building block or a piece that really it's something
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that will teach us and help us understand faith.
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And I think that's why he's adding all these guys up and
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multiplying in Chapter 11 of Hebrews and put the prophets in
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there. And then in Romans 1626 says,
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but now and now it's made manifest like it's, we
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understand it now. It's we can see now this whole
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deal with the prophets and what it was meant for in scriptures
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it says, but now it's made manifest and by the scriptures
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of the prophets according to the commandment of the everlasting
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God, made known, no longer hidden, made known to all
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nations for the obedience of faith, for the obedience of
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faith. And this is what I think the
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Hebrew author is trying to do. He is.
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Trying to encourage them to be obedient in that faith.
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We have all this history, we have all these witnesses, we
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have all these forefathers that have gone before us and
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demonstrated to us the very essence of faith.
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And we need to be obedient to it and walk in it regardless of
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what comes, because it doesn't get very pretty from here.
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Right, right. Yeah, Yeah, that's right.
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I'm going to, I'm going to ask a question here kind of out of the
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blue. I didn't prep you guys on this,
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but we hear the phrase or yeah, we hear the phrase like, you
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know, we need to believe God for this or whatever.
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We see that sometimes in the, I don't know, kind of faith
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healing circles or whatever. Now every one of these examples
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here, you know, it, these characters believed something
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for they believe something that God told them specifically or
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wrote down specifically. Is there in today's world, is
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there, is there a concept, a biblical concept regarding, you
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know, believing something kind of almost into existence?
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You know, do we see that anywhere in the Bible at all?
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It's just it's just something that that I've thought about.
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There's a really good video clip and if I would know how to share
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it on here, I would real quick. But it's a short clip that Frank
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Turek, which is Charlie Kirk's right hand man, has kind of all
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that that is just it's really good.
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And he just says that, you know, there's the the things that God
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says. He he gives us the outline, the
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framework of how we ought to believe and think.
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And if something fits inside of that, that it's that it's good.
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But anyway, I just kind of wondered what your thoughts were
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on, you know, we see exactly what faith is here.
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It's he's very clear. I don't think there should be
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any any. But is there something else
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besides this yet? Do you mean in addition to it or
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are you just saying, is there an instance in which today we could
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be like the woman that said if I just touch the hem of his
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garment, I'll be healed? I mean, is that what you mean
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or? Like, like is the is the idea of
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believing for something, you know it believing to receive
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something? Is that is that something that
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we could use based off of what we're hearing here?
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Today, I guess I would say that I, I don't know that I don't
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know that God would not at times answer prayers or answer faith
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like he did. For instance, the example I gave
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the woman with the issue of blood, that may happen
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sometimes, but I don't think that it is.
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I don't think it's this. What is it they say?
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What's the term like believe and receive?
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Like it's just inevitable. You know what I mean?
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Like, I don't know that it's I wouldn't say because I know we
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always say this probably, but you take like Paul has to leave
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somebody sick in a certain place and Paul asked to be healed
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himself three times and God says, no, my grace is sufficient
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for you. So I guess I would say that I
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wouldn't say God couldn't do that still, but it's not
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inevitable. It's not a believe and receive
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without, you know, like in any situation.
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But I don't know, I may be wrong but that's just my thing.
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Yeah. I I got Psalm on it if you like
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to hear it. Yeah, I would.
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I'm just. Charged, I believe it can line
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up exactly the way it lined up for them.
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Them believing the promise didn't mean to have to see the
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promise fulfilled nor the believer.
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A lot of these guys it'll say or has already said they died not
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receiving promises. So our understanding of faith is
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to study if it comes to pass, then we believed it.
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Then we had faith. These people are in the faith
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chapter because they believed it and they promised them he was to
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say, so if I pray for somebody and they don't get healed, that
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doesn't mean I don't believe that they're healed or that I
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don't believe in healings. I I believe it when Jesus said
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that the reason we're sick is because of unbelief or what were
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there. There's no, I don't think it's
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God's will for Christians. I think, well, let me put it
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this way. I think we have a promise from
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God, just like these dudes that our sins are washed away that
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was seated in handling of places and that we're healed.
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And whether I see that in this life is besides the point when I
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understand the way I understand faith.
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Faith is we believe it and it builds us up and we have both,
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but for it to be fulfilled is not what makes us have faith.
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What makes us have faith is the fact that He said that we are
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here, that he said that we are delivered.
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He said that our sins are all under the blood.
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He said that we are sitting in heaven, the places he says all
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our blessings are in, in heaven, the places Christ Jesus, all our
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spiritual blessings. So I want to embrace every one
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of them. I want to embrace feeling.
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I want to embrace everything. But unlike the false prophets
25:57
today, they're, they think that their faith was justified if
26:01
they can drum up a miracle or drum up something that somehow
26:05
there's some free people of faith.
26:07
The greatest person of faith is the one that believes without
26:10
any, without anything, any, without any manifestations.
26:17
I've known of people, a couple people in my personal
26:20
acquaintances here, that believed God for things, but it
26:24
almost seemed like they were hoping that they were impressing
26:28
God with their faith and that their faith would somehow now
26:31
purchase what they were asking for exactly.
26:34
I. Was trying to ask that that's.
26:36
Yeah, so the one guy in particular, he was a bit of a
26:39
faith preacher. He was a faithful missionary for
26:41
many years. Many people came to the Lord
26:43
through him. He was a Mennonite background
26:45
too. And then he started this whole
26:46
new church where they, they were all about faith and healing and
26:49
Sabbath keeping. And his wife got terminal cancer
26:54
and they just believed God. Like they, and it did the same
26:57
thing as this, like they, they actually believed God and they
27:00
moved in this direction. God is going to heal her to the
27:04
point where like after she was already dead, he was still
27:07
refusing to give up. Like no, God's going to raise
27:09
her. And it all just fell apart.
27:11
Like the whole church, the whole system, everything was gone
27:14
right? Because he was determined that
27:16
God would, would recognize his faith in some way or something,
27:21
because I think he was hinging his faith on a thing not spoken
27:25
to him at this point in time, right.
27:27
So now he, his faith kind of fell apart.
27:30
I don't know him personally that well, but it almost seemed like
27:33
his whole movement kind of fell apart because he, he didn't have
27:37
enough faith or that maybe their faith was misguided or
27:41
misplaced. And to me, that's kind of a trap
27:44
to fall into. I mean, Jesus talks about
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whatsoever you ask, if you ask in faith, it will be given you.
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James says to pray in faith and you will receive it.
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You know, ask for wisdom and you'll receive it.
27:58
But the things that we're talking about in Hebrews 11 here
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are, are clearly stated by God to this individual.
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This is what I need you to do. And then they move.
28:08
Sometimes they moved in the wrong direction, but they were
28:11
so committed to what God had said that they began to move
28:15
based on what God had said. And so God hasn't promised us
28:19
that our loved ones won't die and that will somehow keep them
28:23
with us forever, or that they'll be healed of every disease and
28:27
that, you know, or else whilst we'd already be an eternity and
28:30
living on and on and on, right. And so here he now shipwrecked a
28:35
lot of people's faith because he had convinced people that his
28:39
wife was going to get well because she was already healed.
28:42
And it, it felt pretty, pretty bad on the community here,
28:47
right? And that's what I was talking
28:49
about is that I don't, I'm not talking about that type of
28:53
faith. That's not really faith.
28:54
He was trying to believe in something that has to be proven
29:00
on the promise that he made to himself.
29:05
That's bad like he he has to have his promise, but he feels
29:12
that he has for himself to be fulfilled in order for faith to
29:17
be true of God, to be true Bible faith.
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If Abraham was like that, he would have he would have died a
29:27
billion would be a faith chap. You know, everybody said no,
29:31
he's there. If I I don't see ancestors like
29:34
Santa seize. So that was a flop.
29:38
So a lot of these characters wouldn't be face chapter.
29:43
It was the type of faith that it preached, yeah.
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That's. Good.
29:49
All right. I want to get that out of my
29:52
system. All right.
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Verse 35. Women received their dead,
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raised to life again, and others were tortured, not accepting
30:02
deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection,
30:06
and others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yay,
30:11
moreover, of bonds and imprisonments.
30:15
They were stoned, they were sought asunder, were tempted,
30:18
were slain with the sword. They wandered about in
30:21
sheepskins and goat skins, being destitute, inflicted, tormented,
30:30
of whom the world was not worthy.
30:32
They wandered in deserts and inbounds and in dens of caves
30:35
and all of there. And yeah, this is you already
30:40
kind of pointed at this stand, but that doesn't look for it's
30:45
pretty easy to get excited when you read of somebody believing
30:49
and a super miracle came to pass which brings joy to your heart.
30:54
Stuff like this is not very joyful, is it?
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Go ahead, Dad. Yeah, this is, this is not
31:05
something you'll hear at a prosperity gospel delivery
31:09
meeting, right? Where, Hey, you believe God
31:11
today. Your dead will be raised in your
31:15
you know, people that are in wheelchairs will walk again and
31:17
your sight will be restored and you'll be sawn asunder and
31:21
you'll have to walk around in sheepskin and goats.
31:24
Not like it just doesn't fit with their message at all right?
31:27
But the same faith that motivated people that moved
31:31
people in a direction that saw them dead have dead people
31:35
raised from the death from dead and had them overcome whole
31:39
kingdoms and rot righteousness. That same faith also motivated
31:43
someone to say, you can do whatever you want to me.
31:46
I'm going to continue in this direction.
31:48
And then they ended up in torture and in terrible
31:51
predicaments, being stoned and cut apart and tempted by who
31:55
knows what and slain with the sword and wandering about
31:58
torment that afflicted, you know, the the world is not
32:01
worthy of the kind of people who are so convinced that God said
32:05
what he said. And I'm going to not turn back
32:07
on it, no matter else, no matter who else turns back.
32:11
You know, even Lot, you think of Lot.
32:13
And we have a lot of criticism toward Lot.
32:15
But his wife turned around, and she was turned into that pillar
32:18
of salt. And he kept moving forward,
32:20
knowing that he had lost his wife, but he would not turn
32:23
back, you know? And there's plenty of criticism
32:26
for him for sure. And there should be, but it's
32:29
hard to move in a direction that nobody else is moving in when
32:32
you're convinced that this is what God has said.
32:35
And so those kind of people are a wonder in this world.
32:38
And it again, it's that same idea that God has said, I'm
32:41
going to go conquer this, this terrible enemy.
32:44
God has said I'm going to leave everything behind and I'm going
32:46
to go wander in the wilderness like it's it's the same type of
32:49
motivation because I believe God is true no matter what happens
32:53
to me, no matter the outcome. So these people were not in it
32:56
for glory. They were not in it to see dead
32:58
raised from the dead. They were in it because they
33:00
believe God no matter what. Yeah, that's good.
33:06
Yeah, now I really can't build on that much.
33:09
I just, I think it's interesting that there's that divide in
33:14
verse 35, because it is. It's like women receive their
33:17
dead raised to life again, which is almost the I mean it, you
33:21
know, in a carnal sense, that's the almost the the ultimate
33:25
miracle. Somebody actually dies and then
33:29
you get them back right, that that's almost like the ultimate
33:32
miracle and then it changes pace.
33:37
There's were tortured, you know, like, I mean, think about what a
33:40
Contra has to do is it's like the ultimate miracle.
33:44
And then other people are hoping maybe God will deliver them like
33:49
God did David from Saul's hand and now they get tortured.
33:54
You know, I'm like, no, I just think that's it's like, like I
33:58
said, Dan summed it up really well.
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It is. It's just a it is.
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It's being confident, like I said a while ago, being
34:06
confident what God said, regardless of the outcome, like
34:10
regardless. Yeah, that's yeah, that's well
34:15
said Andrew. Yeah, this, that question you
34:20
asked, is this actually a great explanation or this just shows
34:24
exactly what Dan was talking about as far as the biblical
34:28
idea of faith. You know, in today's faith, they
34:37
would insult these people that were tortured, that died of the
34:43
sword that wipes valet and flight, flight not accepted
34:50
deliverance mockings, scorchings, you know, violence,
34:56
imprisonment template. Solomon sounded all that.
34:59
It's like, why didn't they believe in the deliverance?
35:01
What didn't they believe in the miracle?
35:03
It was that lack of faith. It was the lack of belief that
35:06
they they did, they weren't delivered.
35:08
They didn't get a word of knowledge.
35:09
They didn't spend time with God. They didn't have the Holy Ghost.
35:13
And but God has a whole different answer to that.
35:20
God's answer is that peace, the world's not worth it for these
35:23
people's sake. And I don't want to speak any
35:29
more hard times in my life, but that's the faith I want.
35:33
I want the faith like that. I don't, I don't want want, I
35:37
don't want to be tried anymore. But I I that is the faith you
35:41
need though, right? Amen.
35:43
That's that's good. We're not looking at the
35:46
deliverance is and good times does not mean you're strongly
35:51
faith or that that's the best like God looked at these that
35:56
were tortured and died and didn't received a promise and he
36:00
said you know what the world's not working these people and the
36:04
Christians surveyed which he prefers force to throw stones at
36:06
these feet and that's why I always say the prosperity
36:11
message and their deliverance messages create more unbelievers
36:16
than anything because it caused the budget.
36:22
How could I illustrate this? You know, when there's marriages
36:26
and you know it's not good, but at church they smile at each
36:28
other and that smile, you can just see through it.
36:35
That's the kind of smile and joy that they have in the Lord.
36:39
It's a horrible relationship. God's not not holding up his end
36:44
of the deal, but I'm supposed to be nice and I'm supposed to
36:47
smile and I'm supposed to believe him.
36:49
I'm supposed to respect him. And they have this fake
36:52
ridiculous smile. It's like a bad relationship at
36:55
church trying to look happy and that's sad to me.
37:00
I That's why I hate prosperity gospel.
37:04
Yeah, that's well said, Andrew, that I think that sums it up
37:07
really good. And yeah, because all of these,
37:11
all of these people would have been blocked in these with these
37:14
circles because, oh, you just don't have enough faith.
37:17
You must not. That's why you're not like
37:19
Moses. That's why you're not over here
37:20
on the other side of the page where he talks about all the
37:22
good things. My mind, as you were talking
37:25
there, my mind goes to Joe. You know, if we see, yeah, I
37:29
mean, if we see the whole picture written from the
37:31
backside of Joe's story, now we can understand a little bit
37:36
better what's going on there. And you know, whether it's the
37:40
one that's getting saw the sun or the one that believed for a
37:44
nation that was coming that he didn't see whether either one of
37:46
those God gets glorified. God gets the glory like he
37:50
rightly should for the for the situation, whatever it is.
37:54
How about that one that's getting sought at his last dying
37:57
words is God is Lord. God is a maker of the universe.
38:01
How about that? Oh yeah.
38:04
And think about these guys that were thinking about going back
38:06
to Judaism, and he's doing this to him.
38:09
You think this is bad? Are you sawing us under?
38:12
Yeah. I like Job's attitude actually.
38:15
And Job 19 He says, I know that my Redeemer liveth.
38:20
So here he is in the in the midst of his worst possible
38:22
trials. He's covered in boils and his
38:24
children are all dead and his wife has told him to curse God
38:27
and his friends have come to make a mockery of his life and
38:30
and question his reputation. He says, I know that my Redeemer
38:33
liveth and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the
38:36
earth. And though after my skin worms
38:40
destroy this body, yet in my flesh I still shall see God.
38:44
That's extraordinary faith. He knows the yeah, this sucks.
38:49
This is about as bad as it could possibly be, but I know that
38:52
things are going to be good. And that's a faith that has to
38:55
honor God. God, he that comes to God must
38:58
believe that he is and that is a rewarder of them that diligently
39:00
seek him. And that without faith, it's
39:02
impossible to please God. And there was Job with nothing
39:06
left to brag about. And he says, But even when my
39:09
body is eaten by worms, one day I'm going to see him face to
39:12
face. And I know one day he's going to
39:14
stand on this earth. And that's my hope.
39:17
That was Job's fate. And then that's what we need
39:19
right there. That's a good word for me right
39:24
now, Dan. That's that's good stuff.
39:27
I was just now thinking 2 of the disciples that said judge you,
39:30
whether it would be better for us to, you know, listen to you
39:34
or God. Yeah, that's that's good stuff.
39:41
OK, 39 and these all and here's the upside of the whole thing
39:46
here and these all had you got 3 little space.
39:52
I'll get you there. Andrew.
39:53
For some reason your mic gets a lot of feedback when you're not
39:56
talking, it says. And these all, having obtained a
40:01
good report through faith, received out the promise, God
40:04
having provided some better thing for us that they without
40:07
us should not be made perfect. Any additional comments on those
40:10
last two verses there then? Well, none of the people that
40:14
he's mentioned till this point actually received the promise of
40:17
eternal life through the work of Christ on the cross.
40:19
None of them have ever made perfect like we are now said to
40:23
be in the gospel. And yet one day when He returns,
40:26
we will fully realize this. Being made perfect, we along
40:30
with all the Saints of old will together be made perfect.
40:33
We are counted that way now. So God allows all these things
40:37
to come upon these people so that the dross will melt away,
40:41
so that you'll stand firmly grounded, rooted in Christ
40:45
alone, just like Job near the end of his life, right?
40:48
Or not near the end of near the end of his trials, he was firmly
40:51
grounded. That no matter what happens, I'm
40:53
standing here because that's my hope.
40:56
And so God allows these trials, these tests of our faith.
41:00
And you know, you can speak into them all you want, but until you
41:04
go through it, you can't, you can't really feel it, right?
41:07
And so God does allow certain things to get stripped away from
41:11
us so that our faith stands more firmly in him.
41:13
And one day our faith will be found unto praise, honor and
41:17
glory at the appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ, right?
41:19
That's that's the only way to stay motivated through tests and
41:23
trials and tribulations. Book of James says to count it
41:26
all joy when you fall into these diverse temptations, right?
41:28
So yeah. It's good there.
41:33
Well, I was just kind of thinking that this is one of
41:36
those 39 and 40 is one of those times that you kind of have to
41:39
think about where you're at. Where are we reading?
41:43
Because he's, he's in this book of trying to encourage people to
41:50
believe that Christ fulfilled in his work all those things that
41:55
the law and the prophets all pointed to, right?
41:58
I mean, that's what he's been trying to make them try to see.
42:02
And he goes back and tells all these stories that that these,
42:06
if they are Hebrews, they would have found great joy in like,
42:10
oh, I wish I could do some great thing like that.
42:14
And to me, he's basically saying, listen to believe on
42:18
Jesus as the one that that fulfilled all these things is
42:22
really greater than what they did.
42:24
It's not in a sense, right? I mean, so I do think you have
42:28
to think about the context of why he would say this.
42:30
You know, he's he's been trying to bring this out this whole
42:33
time, trying to prove this, that Christ fulfilled all those
42:37
pictures and all those images that the Old Testament was
42:41
pointing to. And yet you're living in a
42:44
greater time and with greater, you know, really a greater
42:48
opportunity than all those people had.
42:51
And so I, I don't know that that's what I thought about when
42:54
I read those verses, but. Yeah, no, that's, that's really
42:57
good. And so in other words, do you
42:59
want to do something even more impressive than Moses did?
43:05
Believe that Jesus died through your sins?
43:06
That's that's that's the argument in faith of it.
43:09
That's yeah. Yeah, there's two things I that
43:15
are a highlight here in these passages #1 is verse 39 to all
43:23
those that cried out to God in the worst times of their life
43:29
and didn't get an answer. That doesn't say you didn't have
43:36
faith. You didn't put that in the bank
43:39
with this verse. They died without receiving the
43:42
promises that they were promised.
43:45
They were promised and they died without them coming to pass.
43:51
And they're in the faith chapter.
43:53
So don't think that you're just not believing it.
43:56
Don't think that somehow it your faith is void or it's no good
44:01
because in your horrible time you weren't delivered.
44:05
That's a lie. God is looking for people that
44:09
believe in what it comes to pass or not.
44:11
That's not the point. And then in verse 40, God hadn't
44:16
provided some better thing for us.
44:18
I think that better thing that it's provided for us is we see
44:22
the cross behind us instead of looking for one of us.
44:26
Yeah, hey, that's. Sounds good.
44:31
That's exactly right. OK, any overriding thoughts
44:36
about Hebrews 11 or something that we've been this far yet?
44:40
I appreciated what you said, Aaron, as a recap to, you know,
44:46
think about going down to what he's saying and, and, and seeing
44:49
the context for for real. I appreciate you pointing that
44:53
out because that is that is what the author here is trying to do
44:57
is to get us to believe that Jesus fulfilled everything that
45:03
was that was required in the law and did so majestically.
45:08
As a matter of fact, like early on, you know, talking about
45:11
better than the age was a better better than the law and all that
45:14
stuff. So very methodical and a very,
45:18
like I said earlier when I was starting this, this study has
45:21
been really good to just re see a lot of these truths about what
45:26
simplicity and the practicality of faith.
45:31
It's not just a pie in the sky, Hallelujah, I love Jesus kind of
45:34
thing, but more this is how it works and this is how we could
45:38
be edified by it. All right, we'll jump right over
45:45
to 12/1. I was going to say, I was just
45:50
going to say briefly that sometimes in this Hall of Faith
45:54
chapter, we can get kind of misguided and think that maybe I
46:00
should be subduing kingdoms or stopping the mouths of lions, or
46:03
maybe I should go off into the wilderness and suffer some great
46:05
trial. And again, just want to
46:07
reiterate, that's not the point. The point is hold fast to what
46:12
God has said through his Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
46:15
He gave himself for our sins once and he sat down at the
46:19
right hand of God and he's going to come back.
46:21
And then will that is to come will be subject to humanity at
46:25
Christ being the chief, the salvation which the captain of
46:29
this new race of this new earth. And so continue to cling to
46:33
that. And then whatever comes comes,
46:37
that's fine. Let it be.
46:38
Let great things happen, let terrible things happen.
46:41
But we continue on that trajectory.
46:44
We continue to trust in what God has done through Christ.
46:48
And so he's not asking you to do any of the things that Abraham,
46:51
Isaac, Jacob, or those guys did because they were given
46:53
different sets of promises or different challenges in their
46:57
day. Our challenge today, and as
46:59
Aaron already pointed out, the challenge of the the Hebrews
47:02
there was or what if we should just go back to the Jewish
47:05
faith? What if we just go back to the
47:07
Tabernacle or the temple? And here he's saying, no, you
47:11
continue to trust God and many things will happen, maybe
47:14
extraordinary things, maybe terrible things, but you just
47:17
continue to move based on faith, right?
47:24
No, I'm just going to say he's. That's actually very, very
47:28
relevant to the actual people he's writing to, because they
47:32
might see 5000 get saved, or they might be thrown into the
47:38
middle of a arena and eat by a lion, right?
47:41
No words for their faith. Like literally in their day.
47:44
The people he's writing to could see either one of those things
47:48
happen. They could see this gospel
47:51
effect, a multitude of people and, and see some great thing
47:55
happen. Or they very well could be
47:57
gathered up and thrown into prison or eat by a line or
48:00
whatever, right? In other words, he's saying that
48:03
these people in the past saw great things, but they also saw
48:07
saw horrible things. And you might do the same but
48:11
continue to believe, right? I mean, look, another word.
48:15
I'm just saying literally in 3rd day this was a possibility.
48:20
In other words, in other words, our faith, He's been working on
48:26
us in this book all along, trying to get us rooted and
48:32
grounded and built up in the faith like an anchor of the
48:36
soul. And when you're got that anchor
48:40
deep, when hardships calm, it just digs harder.
48:44
And the dirt, like if you start pulling on a bolding boat
48:46
anchor, it doesn't start coming up, it goes down deep.
48:50
And then if you pull a little harder, it will go down deeper
48:53
yet. So based on how hard you pull
48:56
and how much you pull, it goes down, gets in.
49:01
And I think that's a good, good wording that he used there about
49:05
an anchor of the boat, anchor of the soul.
49:09
And that's why you see families like Sean and Randy Lang when
49:13
the worst, what we would say, the worst things happen, their
49:17
faith just gets stronger. The anger just gets deeper and
49:20
then the joy just gets brighter and the pain might be worse.
49:25
But there the hope that is set to far as it's just greater.
49:30
And that is the hope that we have in very difficult times.
49:36
And what we seldom see in a situation like these, you know,
49:43
stone and sought asunder asunder and being tormented and
49:49
wondering about in sheepskins and destitute and afflicted and
49:51
tormented or the situation with the Boise's there.
49:57
What we sell, what we don't think about is how how that
50:02
affects the people that are watching from the outline in
50:08
like like, well, for what we're going to read here about that,
50:12
that crowd, that cloud of witnesses, That's one thing.
50:15
But what about what about the the unbelieving witnesses that
50:19
are seeing all this? What do they see when they see a
50:22
person, like I said earlier, being saunas under his last word
50:26
is God is king. You know that the Lord served as
50:29
good. You know, I mean, that is a
50:32
powerful, powerful testimony that you do not have the
50:35
opportunity to create without some kind of hardship, you know,
50:39
so and it goes back and it glorifies God.
50:41
And to see Shawn and Brendolyn dig in and, and and yet praise
50:48
God for his goodness and his glory.
50:52
What does that do in the face of some silly faith healing?
50:58
Yeah. Or or another like me watching
51:01
in from the outside and seeing somebody's faith actually
51:06
strengthened and they stand up with a smile on their face in
51:09
the face of the worst possible predicament.
51:12
I mean, that is incredibly. Powerful chili up and down my
51:17
body right now. I was going to say, though,
51:19
something like a Charlie Kirk and his family and the people
51:22
around him, it feels like they, they're kind of belong in this
51:26
chapter, right? Because they were standing for
51:28
some great truth and then an extraordinary terrible thing
51:31
happened or, you know, the Daniel thrown into a lion's den
51:35
and so on and so forth. Those are because of their
51:38
faith. They this happened.
51:39
But when something like this happens, it just seems like it,
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it's so out of the ordinary. It doesn't actually fit any
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grand narrative. It's not like, you know, they
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were facing some terrible onslaught of the enemy and
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that's why this thing had to happen.
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It feels like doesn't belong. I know it.
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Does fit the story of Job a lot more.
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We're just suddenly out of the blue.
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Like here you got every opportunity to curse God and
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die, just forget about it. Like this, not worth it.
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But yet he prays God right? So it seems less less like it
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makes less sense. Yeah, Charlie Kirk type of
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thing. That's exactly what makes the
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struggles hard. And yeah, it makes it so hard
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because it's described it perfectly how it is and it does
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make it. It is a challenge.
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But God who is wise and able suckers fuckering us in our
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times of stress or temptation or whatever.
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Yeah, so good to have a God that actually cares and and better
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yet, is able, is able to do what he said.
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All right, we got 5 minutes. I kind of hate to tear into this
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next chapter, but I guess we'll give it a real brief overview.
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Then we'll start here again, wherefore seeing we also are
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passed about with so glad great a cloud of witnesses.
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Let us lay aside every weight and the sin which does so easily
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beset us and let us run with patience the race that is set
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before. So I'm going to stop, but I know
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there's a comma there, but I'll stop.
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There's a lot of a lot that could be said in this verse 1,
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you know, to consider, like I said earlier, the the cloud of
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witnesses that watch in on a situation, you know, consider
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that that is a that is a very real reason to do what you do.
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It's not all the reason, but but the effect, the ripple effect of
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somebody standing in faith and operating in faith is so much
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further than anyone could ever imagine that they would be.
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That ripple will go generations. It will go from community to
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community and things like that. And then of course, the other
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side there lay aside the weight of the sin, which does so easily
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be set. I mean, that is the other side
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of this exact same coin. Because there's always something
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that is going to want to pull us away from this, this faith,
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whatever it is that it puts us through.
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And just say, you know, it's not worth it.
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It's probably not worth it. There's and you just get weak
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and cowardly because you forget the promises of God and whatnot
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anyway at the end. Yeah, I will definitely have to
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get into this more to get the full teaching of it.
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But just one of the things I'd like to point out is that this
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word witnesses is also translated as martyr on several
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occasions. But it's a comforting verse to
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people who have lost loved ones. We just been speaking to a very
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dear friend of ours who's husband died several years ago
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in a tragic plane crash. He was a preacher of the gospel,
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like you wouldn't believe, very passionate for the for the
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truth. And just out of the out of the
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blue for no apparent reason, he was dead, right?
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It just doesn't add up. And to this day, you know, 5 or
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6 years later, she's wondering about how does this all make
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sense? And one of the comforts that she
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can take is that we have this great cloud of witnesses.
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So the one comfort that she has, and it's not her ultimate
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comfort because her comfort is in Christ, but to know that her
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husband is also witnessing and watching what's going on and
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maybe kind of cheering on and standing on the sidelines and
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saying keep moving, keep going, like don't give up.
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It's well worth the fight. You know, to know that we have a
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great cloud of witness. We're compassed about with a
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whole mass of martyrs and people who've gone before who have died
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in the faith, who have continued in the faith.
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Do not give up and don't let the weight wear you down, right?
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Run with patients. And so there's a there's a lot
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of comfort in a passage like this.
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Came out air. I was just going to say that Dan
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kind of said this earlier, but we're not going to have this.
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I mean, I'll guarantee you you're not going to be building
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a boat like Noah. You're you're not going to be
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leading people out of Egypt like Moses.
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But we've all got a race. I mean, knows what he says.
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Let us run with patients, the race that is set before us.
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Like all of us, you could save the rest of your life from the
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time you believe is a race like it is a race.
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Your race looks totally different than mine in the sense
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of the obstacles that I'm faced with, but it is a, a running
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along a pathway of life that I am tempted to not believe and
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encouraged to believe in, right? I mean that all of our
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situations differ, but they're all the same in that we are
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tempted to not believe, to not believe and told to believe.
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So I would just like I said, whatever your race is, it's it's
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going to look different than the next person's race.
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But whatever it is he's saying let you run your race, just run
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it. Just keep going forward.
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Just continue to believe regardless of what obstacles
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comes up in front of you, and they're going to be different
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than all these. Peoples we that's what Good
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stuff, Edward. Yeah.
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I just also like how he's gathering all these witnesses
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and putting them up in a big cloud and just letting it
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hangover us as a witness that when we look up it's just there
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a big cloud of them and says like that cause us the latest
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side every way. Not some weights, but all the
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weights for that fits this versus for everyone that's
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troubling for everyone that thinks they're going through
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something that nobody else is. When you think that you're God's
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picking on you or somehow everyone else has a good life
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but you don't. Harry says to let lay aside
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every way that's including yours.
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And if there's any sin that's holding you back or besetting
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you, you can you can put that lay aside back too and run the
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race without all them weights and keep believing and keep
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getting stronger and more fit and maybe even change your diet
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and do some workouts before you want.
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Random, but yes, absolutely. All right, we're going to.
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We're going to stop. What a fitting passage.
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Go ahead, go ahead Dad, get a talk.
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Oh, I just said what a fitting passage.
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Yeah, yeah. For the time, yeah.
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Very good. We'll revisit this again next
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week a little bit, maybe a little more depth.
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We get some time. But yeah, very good.
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Thanks everybody for being on tonight.
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It was a blessing. I appreciate your time.
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As we conclude today's study, remember Hebrews 11/1.
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Faith is a substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
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things not seen. But I pray that your faith will
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reveal biblical truths more clearly than your physical eyes
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can see the things on ground. Join us next Monday as we
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continue to look at God's Word through the substance of faith.
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God bless you guys. Thanks for your time.
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Our prayers are with you Andrew. Andrew and your community as you
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go forward not knowing what step one day at a time.
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Appreciate you guys, God bless.