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Ep. 6 - Dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark? Young Earth Creationism & the Battle Over Biblical Authority · Fulfilled with Rebecca Sheehan

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  SPEAKER_01: Hey everybody, welcome to Fulfilled.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Rebecca Sheehan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Summer,
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  SPEAKER_01: thankfully,
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  SPEAKER_01: is quickly approaching and with lots of travel and road trips coming up,
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  I felt like it was the perfect time to spotlight a unique
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  family attraction in the
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  SPEAKER_01: heart of America.
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  The Ark Encounter is a life-size replica of Noah's Ark in
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  Williamstown,
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  Kentucky,
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a ministry of Answers in Genesis,
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  which is a Christian organization that focuses on defending and
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  promoting young
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  SPEAKER_01: earth creationism,
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  SPEAKER_01: which we will soon hear more about.
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  Here to guide us through the Ark Encounter on the pages of
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  Genesis and through the
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  SPEAKER_01: Ark itself is Brian Osborne,
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  SPEAKER_01: Christian apologist with Answers in Genesis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Brian, thanks so much for joining us today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Rebecca.
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  SPEAKER_00: Great to be here and hang out with you and chat with your audience.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pleasure.
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  So how did you get involved with Answers in Genesis and what
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  caused you to become
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  SPEAKER_01: so passionate about this particular aspect of Christianity?
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  SPEAKER_00: Short answer is God intervened.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was a teacher.
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  SPEAKER_00: I taught Bible history in a public school for 13 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was quite happy doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in the course of teaching that class and doing other things,
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  I became very familiar with apologetics and realized the need
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  for defending
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  SPEAKER_00: biblical authority from the very first verse starting in Genesis.
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  SPEAKER_00: I became very familiar with answers in Genesis.
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  SPEAKER_00: I began kind of corresponding with some leadership there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was 11 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: I joined the ministry as a speaker and a writer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've been traveling around, literally around the world,
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  the last 11 years,
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  giving answers,
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  equipping Christians at conferences and churches.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's been an amazing trip, an amazing blessing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's go back to teaching Bible history in a public school.
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  Was that so difficult because you couldn't infuse any of your
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  personal faith into it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or did you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or how did that work?
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  What it really prepped me to do was to learn how to defend my
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  faith and share it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because in the classroom setting,
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  SPEAKER_00: I was teaching the history of the Bible,
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  SPEAKER_00: Old Testament one semester,
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  SPEAKER_00: New Testament in another.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is high school, I assume.
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  SPEAKER_00: High school level.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So nine to 12th graders and a public school setting.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the deal was this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Since I was a Bible teacher,
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  SPEAKER_00: if they asked me a question,
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  SPEAKER_00: I could give them an answer from the Bible.
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  I could not give my opinion,
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  which,
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  by the way,
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  that's what apologetics actually truly is.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to God's word, using God's word to give an answer.
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  I didn't realize that's what was happening,
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  but that's what was happening for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was getting equipped to do that more effectively in my own life.
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  That's probably more powerful anyway than you giving your own
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  opinion,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_01: When you could just point people to God's word.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: God's word is worth everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's where the power is.
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  SPEAKER_01: So tell me a little bit about the Ark Encounter,
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  SPEAKER_01: the idea behind it and how it was actually built.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the ark is built by the ministry Answers in Genesis.
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  SPEAKER_00: That ministry was started by a guy named Ken Ham.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's our founder, CEO.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he was a teacher in the 70s in Australia, teaching his science class.
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  They were asking him,
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  hey,
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  how can you believe the Bible if it's been disproved by
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  evolution?
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  SPEAKER_00: The rock layers are millions of years old.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no way no one could fit the animals onto the ark.
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  And he realized that for a lot of the students,
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  their stumbling block to God's word was,
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  that the first book of the Bible has been debunked by modern
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  day science.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in their minds,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you can't believe the first part of the Bible,
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  SPEAKER_00: why trust in anything else?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an issue of authority.
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  And so he realized he needed to have answers and his students
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  needed answers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the cool thing for him was he had a passion,
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  SPEAKER_00: really a vision I think God gave him was if he could build a museum,
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  SPEAKER_00: that taught things from a biblical worldview perspective,
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  SPEAKER_00: to give kids the truth about history,
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  SPEAKER_00: to point them to God's word.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what he really wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: He built the creation museum with a lot of help from a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're showing people their answers.
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  And they're not that hard if we'll just trust the Bible,
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  use that biblical framework.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so...
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  SPEAKER_00: He built that back in 2007,
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  and then him and his team got the idea of building an actual
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  life-size replica of
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  SPEAKER_00: Noah's Ark.
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  SPEAKER_00: So 2016,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Ark Encounter opened up,
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  SPEAKER_00: over 500 feet long,
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  SPEAKER_00: 85 feet wide,
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  SPEAKER_00: 51 feet tall,
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  SPEAKER_00: three different levels.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you go inside,
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  SPEAKER_00: three levels of amazing exhibits,
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  SPEAKER_00: answering questions about Noah's Ark and flood,
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  SPEAKER_00: rock layers,
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  SPEAKER_00: fossils,
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  SPEAKER_00: the biblical understanding,
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  SPEAKER_00: all these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it really just brings the Bible to life.
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  And really,
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  it's not about defending necessarily a young age for the earth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our goal is defending biblical authority,
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  SPEAKER_00: that God's word is true about everything that it talks about,
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  SPEAKER_00: including our origins.
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  What kind of emotion or spiritual response are you hoping to
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  spark when people
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  SPEAKER_01: visit the Ark Encounter?
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  SPEAKER_00: We get over a million guests per year now between the two attractions.
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  SPEAKER_00: 70% claim to be a believer.
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  SPEAKER_00: So out of those who come,
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  We are hoping that they are challenged to stand on God's word
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  and also that they're
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  SPEAKER_00: encouraged that there are answers,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially these younger generations today.
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  They're asking us questions about,
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  well,
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  how can you believe the Bible with evolution?
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  SPEAKER_00: How can you believe the Bible with,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  the rock players being millions of years old and Noah's flood
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  couldn't have been a
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  SPEAKER_00: real thing,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And what about dinosaurs in the Bible?
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  SPEAKER_00: And even today, the social issues about marriage, sexuality, gender.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for so much of the last few decades,
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  SPEAKER_00: we've been just ignoring those questions and saying,
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  SPEAKER_00: hey,
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  SPEAKER_00: don't worry about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just trust in Jesus.
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  But what they're really asking is if the first book of the
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  Bible is not true,
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  SPEAKER_00: why should I trust the rest?
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  I think there are some Christians who would say that there is a
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  difference,
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  SPEAKER_01: though,
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  between believing that marriage is between a man and a woman
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  and there are only two
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  SPEAKER_01: genders and saying that evolution is a fallacy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like people put those on different levels.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what about the people who do believe in Genesis,
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  SPEAKER_01: but believe that it's more symbolic,
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  SPEAKER_01: that it took place over a longer period of time?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's a great question.
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  My wife and I both say that when God got a hold of us on this
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  many years ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a reformation in our lives because we were Christians,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it really challenged us to say,
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  SPEAKER_00: okay,
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even know I was compromising.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had that same view.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought maybe God used evolution.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who cares?
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  SPEAKER_00: Just trust in Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what it's all about.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did not realize my views were undermining biblical authority.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I was compromising over there and I didn't realize it,
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  SPEAKER_00: Where else might I be compromising God's word and not realizing it?
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  And we're going to take a really deep look in our own lives in
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  different areas.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the commitment was this.
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  SPEAKER_00: What does God's word say about any and every issue?
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  SPEAKER_00: And will I rightly submit to that?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was a challenge for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And let me just say this too.
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  SPEAKER_00: People get confused about this with us.
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  SPEAKER_00: I say,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  then are you saying that someone's got to believe in a young
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  earth and a literal
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  SPEAKER_00: atom and a global flood to be a Christian?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not it at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're saved by grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is not a direct salvation issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it is an indirect salvation issue,
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  because if you can't believe the first part of the Bible in its
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  clear context,
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  SPEAKER_00: why trust the rest?
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you give some of those arguments briefly,
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  like why there is no evolution or the dating of dinosaur
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  fossils in rocks and the
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  SPEAKER_01: fact that there's no evidence of humans and dinosaurs coexisting?
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's the key.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you start with the wrong assumptions,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially about unseen history,
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  SPEAKER_00: you'll likely get the wrong conclusions.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so,
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  SPEAKER_00: Rebecca,
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  the reason that secular scientists can be so wrong about the
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  age of the Earth and
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  rock layers and dinosaurs and radiometric dating is because
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  they start with the
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  SPEAKER_00: wrong assumptions about history.
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  SPEAKER_00: Secular scientists...
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  SPEAKER_00: before they engage the evidence.
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  SPEAKER_00: They assume the Bible's history is not true.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so,
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  SPEAKER_00: also a quick little side note,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is why as Christians,
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  we can't squeeze the secular idea of millions of years into the
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  Bible consistently.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you try to put millions of years into the Bible,
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  what you're basically saying is that those rock layers were
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  laid down long before
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  SPEAKER_00: man ever existed,
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  SPEAKER_00: and thus before sin.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in those rock layers, you find tons of evidence of death.
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  SPEAKER_00: disease, cancer, bloodshed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's the biggest theological problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: Romans 8, 22, all of creation is cursed by man's sin.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if there's death for sin, that means death is not the payment for sin.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just always been around.
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  And if death is not the payment for sin,
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  then how can Jesus' death pay our sin debts?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that was probably the biggest light bulb moment for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it is for a lot of Christians as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, wow, I never considered that.
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  What if you view human sin as unrelated to all the death and
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  cancer of animals
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  SPEAKER_01: before humans existed,
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  SPEAKER_01: hypothetically?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and people try to do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they'll point to that where Romans 5,
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  SPEAKER_00: 1 Corinthians 15 is focused on,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: death coming to mankind as a result of man's sin.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's fair.
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  But the Bible is clear from Genesis 3 to Romans 8,
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  22,
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  that man's sin did not just affect man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Man's sin brought corruption into the world, not just to mankind.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of creation is cursed because of man.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I tell people all the time, that's why we care.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really is.
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  SPEAKER_00: If this was purely just a scientific debate, I'm out.
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  My passion is biblical authority,
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  that God's word is trustworthy and true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do young earth creationists believe in some form of natural selection and
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  SPEAKER_01: evolution,
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  SPEAKER_01: just that it didn't occur billions of years ago?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: if by evolution you mean adaptation,
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  SPEAKER_00: speciation,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Bible says God made animals to reproduce according to their kind.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the word kind in the Bible,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's equal to about the family level of modern day classification.
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  SPEAKER_00: What that means is God made the dog kind and dogs make variations of
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  SPEAKER_00: Dogs, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Big dogs, little dogs, but they all stay dogs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what we see.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what the Bible teaches.
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  Natural selection is basically a process of death where things
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  aren't fit to
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  SPEAKER_00: survive in a sin-cursed broken world and things die.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the better traits to survive take over.
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  SPEAKER_00: But note, through that process, you're not adding genetic information.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're shuffling or losing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And dogs stay dogs and cats stay cats.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about dinosaurs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's some exhibits in the Ark Encounter of dinosaurs, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And wouldn't T-Rexes have eaten all the humans if they coexisted?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all, dinosaurs are land animals by definition.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible says that land animals were made on day six of creation week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Therefore, T-Rex and all the dinosaurs were made on day six.
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  SPEAKER_00: Man was made on day six of creation week.
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  SPEAKER_00: That means man has lived with dinosaurs from the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: It gives me anxiety just thinking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: You got to rethink a whole lot of things, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, a couple things to keep in mind here, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number one, it was a different world.
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  We got to bear in mind when God made creation at the very end,
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  he calls it all very good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Originally, there was no death, no suffering, no bloodshed, no disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there was a perfect relationship between people and animals.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: after the fall,
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  SPEAKER_00: when man sinned,
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  SPEAKER_00: bringing death into the world and the curse,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's going to change everything.
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  And there's going to be a broken relationship between people
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  and animals.
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  So what kind of physical evidence is there for humans and
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  dinosaurs coexisting?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then what happened to all the dinosaurs?
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  SPEAKER_01: The mystery of their extinction.
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  SPEAKER_00: The word dinosaur is a new word, not invented until 1841.
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  SPEAKER_00: By a guy named Sir Richard Owen, it means terrible lizard.
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  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't used much until the early 1900s.
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  But there's another word in pretty much every culture,
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  and that word is dragon.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: some dragon legends have been embellished over time,
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  but many of them accurately describe various known types of
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  dinosaurs on a global
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  SPEAKER_00: scale.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so...
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  God told Noah,
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  post-flood,
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  I'm going to put the fear of man into the beast of the earth.
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  SPEAKER_00: So post-flood, animals are now scared of people.
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  And if they're scared of you,
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  they tend to either run away from you or attack you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's when animals became a really big threat to people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So between the erect world,
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  SPEAKER_00: people hunted them,
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  SPEAKER_00: dinosaurs probably went extinct fairly quickly post-flood.
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  SPEAKER_01: So going a little bit more big picture again, there are a lot of other...
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  SPEAKER_01: Ancient flood stories like the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's your opinion on those?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do they corroborate this account of the flood?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or do proponents of evolution say that,
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  SPEAKER_01: look,
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  SPEAKER_01: this is another mythical story just like these other ones?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a great question.
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  There are literally hundreds of flood legends all around the
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  world in pretty much
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  SPEAKER_00: every single culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: And many of them sound a whole lot like Genesis.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have legends in China called the High King Classic.
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  SPEAKER_00: It talks about the father of their civilization.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says he,
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  SPEAKER_00: his wife,
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  SPEAKER_00: his sons,
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  SPEAKER_00: and their wives,
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  SPEAKER_00: those eight people,
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  SPEAKER_00: they survived a great flood on a big boat and repopulated the world.
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  legends even in Hawaii just they're literally everywhere they
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  have elements from
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  the biblical account usually involving a global flood a boat
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  saving a family
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  sometimes there's a house on the boat with animals in the house
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  and then the
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  animals also repopulate post-flood and we say that makes really
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  good sense
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  biblically because I mean after the flood you're gonna talk
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  about that event for a
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  long time it's a lot of generations you're gonna pass that that
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  account down and
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  SPEAKER_00: especially within certain groups and the way they transmit history.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if it's separated from the truth,
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  SPEAKER_00: it'll get marred over time,
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  SPEAKER_00: as legends tend to do,
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  SPEAKER_00: as they're passed down from one generation to another.
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  Those are just deviations from the original account that's been
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  passed down from
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  SPEAKER_00: Noah and his kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: We talk about that at the Ark Encounter.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a whole exhibit on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: People love that.
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  And we also talk about when you look at those other accounts,
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  they tend to have very...
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  fanciful or fairytale-ish elements added to it that definitely
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  would not work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can tell there are pagan corruptions of the original,
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  SPEAKER_00: where the Bible's very straightforward history.
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  Regardless of the scientific elements of the story or whether
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  you believe that it
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  SPEAKER_01: was 100% fact or not,
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  I think that there are some wonderful themes of the story of
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  Noah's Ark that we see
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  SPEAKER_01: throughout the Bible,
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  SPEAKER_01: like water as cleansing,
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  SPEAKER_01: like baptism,
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  SPEAKER_01: and the Ark as salvation.
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  Well,
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  there's some things we definitely talk about and make those
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  connections.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just one example.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a beautiful picture of Christ in the ark.
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  And when you go to the ark encounter,
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  the second level is the door of the ark.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a really big door.
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  And on the inside,
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  we have a light shining a cross on the door behind you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, it's very faintly lit, so the cross is sometimes hard to see.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's on purpose, but it's there.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes people won't see the cross on the door,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they'll take the picture by the door of the ark,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they'll go home and look at the picture,
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  SPEAKER_00: and like...
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a cross on the door.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a miracle.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's cool.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Not a miracle.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the connection we're making is this.
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  In Noah's day,
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  there was a righteous global judgment coming on man's sin on a
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  global scale.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there was one way to be saved through the door of the ark.
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  And we say that's a picture of Christ because there's another
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  global judgment coming.
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  SPEAKER_00: The next time it's by fire and for eternity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's one way to be saved.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus said, I am the door.
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  SPEAKER_00: If by me any man enter in, he shall be saved.
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  SPEAKER_01: What Bible verse is that if someone wants to look that up?
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see here.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can look it up.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have to Google it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I am the door.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: I should know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love Google.
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  SPEAKER_00: John 10, it looks like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, John 10, verse 9.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they can find that John 10, verse 9.
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  SPEAKER_01: It says, I am the door.
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  If anyone enters by me,
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  he will be saved and go in and out and find pasture.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  And I think there's just beautiful symbolism in the image of
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  Noah building a
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  SPEAKER_01: gigantic ship in a desert.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like people must have thought he was nuts, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But there was faithful defending his faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, he turned out to be right in the end.
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  So do you ever think of that when it comes to your own
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  spiritual journey and your calling?
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's for all of us as Christians,
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  SPEAKER_00: isn't it,
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: in a real sense,
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: especially in the culture we live in today.
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  That's very much more anti-Christian than it has been in
• 15:43
  generations past in
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  SPEAKER_00: America and throughout the West.
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  I mean,
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  honestly,
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  Rebecca,
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  if you want to be bold for Christ today,
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  it doesn't take much.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just believe the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just believe that marriage is between one man and one woman for life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just believe that there are only two genders.
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  Just believe that God's work is true about origins and the age
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  of the earth.
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  Just believe that Jesus is the only way of salvation and
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  actually proclaim that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And our culture will not like you for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: a culture that is rebelling against God's word and its authority.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think all of us as Christians,
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  SPEAKER_00: we have that feeling that the culture is against us,
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  SPEAKER_00: like it was in Noah's day,
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  SPEAKER_00: for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you look at the account of Noah,
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  SPEAKER_00: he probably had around 50 to maybe 70 years to build the ark.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of time there for people to mock and to challenge him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Bible says he was a preacher of righteousness.
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  And it looks like no one else agreed with him because no one
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  else went with him on the ark.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was just him and his family.
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  SPEAKER_00: His message was not accepted.
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  There are multiple times when you look through biblical history
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  that a prophet of
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  SPEAKER_00: God or someone like Noah who's being faithful to God,
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  SPEAKER_00: where they give God's message.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the right message.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is the truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the people don't listen.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean the message is not true.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're going to remember that.
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  So just because our culture may not like what we're saying or
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  does not agree with
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  SPEAKER_00: what we're saying doesn't mean it's wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: It means people are broken by sin.
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  SPEAKER_00: And our tendency, apart from God, is to be our own God.
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  SPEAKER_00: We want to reject God's word.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'll establish my word as my authority.
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  SPEAKER_00: Therefore, I can live life as I want.
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  And so it shouldn't surprise us when people reject the truth,
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  but we're still faithful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Keep building that ark.
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  SPEAKER_00: Keep obeying God's commands.
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  SPEAKER_00: Keep proclaiming the gospel.
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  And then you never know what God might do through your
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  faithfulness as you obey him
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  SPEAKER_00: by his power.
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  What are some other New Testament verses where Jesus talks
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  about the ark and the flood?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: But you got a couple different examples.
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  SPEAKER_00: One thing we reference a lot when he talks about his return is this,
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  SPEAKER_00: it'd be like in the days of Noah,
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  SPEAKER_00: where people were eating and drinking and being given into marriage.
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  SPEAKER_00: They didn't know the judgment was coming.
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  SPEAKER_00: It came upon them rapidly.
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  He makes that reference as well and refers to it as a real
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  event in real history.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: And we see all the other biblical authors doing the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Genesis 1 to 11 is referenced throughout the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's always referenced as real,
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  literal history that's foundational to so many different
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  biblical doctrines.
• 17:58
  Are there any memorable visitor stories that have stayed with
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  you from people visiting the ark?
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  SPEAKER_01: Besides the ones who find the cross mysteriously in their photos.
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  I've had so many people over the last 11 years being with
• 18:10
  Answers in Genesis who
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  SPEAKER_00: have been either encouraged,
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  SPEAKER_00: challenged,
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  SPEAKER_00: edified,
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: or people who got saved.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Of course,
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: God did the saving,
• 18:17
  but they came to the attractions and God used the attractions
• 18:19
  to work in their
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: heart.
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  But the greatest stories are those of people who their lives
• 18:23
  have been changed.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it's the believer who's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, God's word is true.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was compromising and didn't know it.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Or for the non-believer who got saved.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's always touching when you have like,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: a spouse write in and say,
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: my husband came kicking and screaming.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then he left.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: He was challenged.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then later on, he gave his life to Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're like, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's a reminder that if we're just faithful,
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: if we would just be faithful to him and his word,
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  SPEAKER_00: he'll do amazing things for his glory and for our good through it.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really what this is about.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Are there any future expansions or projects you're excited about?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Are you guys going to make a Tower of Babel replica?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or would it be too tall?
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  SPEAKER_01: They didn't finish it, so I guess you could, right?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: The running joke is we'll never finish it because they never did.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: It just can't be finished.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's definitely a plan for that.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was kind of half-joking, but that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our leadership, they are go-getters for sure, which I love.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so we have plans to build a Tower of Babel within five-ish years.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: And of course,
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: we can connect so much of that back to dealing with one blood,
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: one race,
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: biblical answers to racism,
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: critical race theory,
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: stuff like that.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's exciting.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right now,
• 19:29
  we are currently working on the largest model of first century
• 19:33
  Jerusalem in the
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: world.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it will be the most detailed because our artists are unbelievable.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: That'll open probably a year and a half.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: We also have an idea for rebuilding Solomon's Temple.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Not the actual thing, but a replica of that.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, very cool.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so... Gonna need a lot of gold.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Better keep charging a lot for the mission, right?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Raise the prices.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's $5,000 per person.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Great, though.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, there are a lot of plans.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: We tackle them one at a time and we'll see what happens.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: But we try to add something new almost consistently.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: That way people have a reason to come back.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: for example,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: right now,
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: even at the Creation Museum,
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Fearfully Wonderfully Made,
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: it's our exhibit on Pro-Life.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: It is unbelievably incredible.
• 20:15
  And it's done with such class,
• 20:16
  such great taste and grace,
• 20:18
  but full of truth.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's so well done.
• 20:21
  Back to the Tower of Babel for a second,
• 20:22
  because I just need to know,
• 20:23
  how tall would it be?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure there aren't the specifications for the dimensions of it.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: I could be wrong, but I don't think there are.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so we think it's probably some variation of a ziggurat,
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: kind of like the step pyramid type looking thing.
• 20:35
  And also to reach to the heavens doesn't mean literally super,
• 20:37
  super tall.
• 20:38
  It just means the idea we're going to work a way up high to be
• 20:41
  in the sky,
• 20:42
  to be where God dwells so we can kind of be our own gods and do
• 20:44
  our own thing up
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: there.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: But it could have been super tall.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know, honestly.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's not the point, maybe.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's not.
• 20:50
  So what we do is we have a lot of great researchers who dive in
• 20:54
  deep and do the
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: hard work of,
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: what would be the actual norm in that time frame?
• 21:00
  This reminds me of a quick question I wanted to ask you about
• 21:03
  the ark before we wrap up.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: So the Bible obviously gives dimensions and other instructions.
• 21:08
  But how did you fill in all the details that were not mentioned
• 21:13
  in the Bible?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a really bad pun when you come in.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: It says we take artistic license in some places, right?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't come up with that one, but it's there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what we do is if the Bible is explicit, we are clear.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: This is what the Bible says.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like the actual dimensions are very clear in the Bible.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: But as far as the features of the Ark, did it have a bow fin?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Does it have a rudder?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know if it had those features or not.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Those are common features, though, in ships.
• 21:43
  And so we would assume that that technology may have came from
• 21:46
  Noah himself or
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: other parts about how Noah and his family lived inside the Ark.
• 21:49
  One of my favorite exhibits at the Ark are the living quarters
• 21:53
  that we made for
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: Noah and his family.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's all just educated guests.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: But what we're trying to emphasize is they were real people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Someone may have liked reading.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Someone may have liked working with their hands.
• 22:04
  And so giving them different personalities in their different
• 22:06
  living quarters,
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: we're just making that come alive to the audience.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're clear that, hey, that's what we're doing here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like to end each episode with a Bible verse.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if there's one you'd like to share,
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  whether it's one that's just been inspiring to you throughout
• 22:21
  your faith journey or
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: that relates to the ark,
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  SPEAKER_00: Love to hear it.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: For the ark,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would say this,
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  SPEAKER_00: 1 Peter 3.15,
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  SPEAKER_00: always to all believers,
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  SPEAKER_00: be ready to give an answer for your faith.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: We are called, we are commanded to be apologists.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's not restricted for quote unquote super Christians.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's for everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my encouragement to myself and others is, hey, take that seriously.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Be ready to contend for the faith,
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: to defend the faith,
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  SPEAKER_00: to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: And it's all worth it because he is worthy of it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
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  I think you have left our listeners and for those watching a
• 23:02
  lot to think about,
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: including possible summer plans to come visit the Ark.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: So if they want to come see the Ark, where should they go?
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  SPEAKER_01: You have a website?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a couple of websites.
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  SPEAKER_00: AnswersinGenesis.org.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's our home website.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: So AnswersinGenesis.org.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: To go down the rabbit hole with all the questions, right?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: All the questions.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Also, if I didn't get to it, I didn't have time for it right now.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: You can go there.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll be there for millions of years, it would feel like.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: So you can go there.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Also, there's ArkEncounter.com.
• 23:29
  They can go there and they can purchase tickets for the Ark and
• 23:32
  also for the Creation Museum.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'd really encourage people to go to both attractions.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're both phenomenal.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: If they can go to the Creation Museum first,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: that's probably best because it goes through biblical history,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: gives you a great summary,
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: answering a lot of questions.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: It lays a great foundation.
• 23:46
  And then the Ark Encounter is focused more on Ark and the Flood
• 23:50
  and then the
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: post-Flood Ice Age and Tower of Babel.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: So Museum first, Ark second.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: And we have things called Bouncer Passes.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: It gives you three days to go between the attractions.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then if you can come, please come.
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  You'll be so encouraged,
• 24:02
  so edified,
• 24:03
  challenged,
• 24:04
  but equipped to defend your faith.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: And if you can't come, visit the website.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Get the answers and share them with your family,
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: with your kids,
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: with your friends,
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: with your church.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: We need these answers to stand, defend, and proclaim.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's so necessary in the world we live in today.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I will try to include some of those in the show notes as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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• 24:31
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