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Speaker 1: It's been a long weekend. Been a very very long weekend.
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Speaker 1: I was not only in Vegas doing regular Vegas things
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Speaker 1: with the UFC and the Power Step and all that.
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Speaker 1: Last second, I'm like, tell my wife and kids, you
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Speaker 1: guys should come. We'll enjoy it. But it's gone from
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Speaker 1: the late nights and then I get to sleep a
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Speaker 1: little bit to late nights, early mornings. I'm in an arcade.
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Speaker 1: I'm on Fremont Street. I'm ripping packs. That ve that's Vegas,
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Speaker 1: that's Vegas. That's what happens. What happens when you go
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Speaker 1: to Vegas. You rip packs with your kids. You rip
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Speaker 1: packs with your kids. That you do So what are
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Speaker 1: we getting into that? What do you bet? I think,
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Speaker 1: my sweet Prince.
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Speaker 2: What's even going on?
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Speaker 1: Is there anything happening today? On Monday?
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Speaker 3: Sam Ellinger or he re signed with the Broncos. Sam, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: oneion dollars deal, keep them guessing. You see, the Huskers
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Speaker 3: took down the Hawkeyes and basketball.
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Speaker 1: O t that's all the snowball effects, the snow right
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Speaker 1: down the fall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm putting it
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Speaker 1: down for you to pick it up.
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Speaker 4: Also, Michigan took Michigan State and Michigan State some dirty
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Speaker 4: ass plays, guys.
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Speaker 1: Dirty ass school school, that's a dirty school. But yes,
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Speaker 1: Also Michigan first team to go undefeated out of the road,
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Speaker 1: uh in the Big Ten since like nineteen sixty four
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Speaker 1: or something like that, last team to do it. In
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Speaker 1: the end of the mouse that data is that date
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Speaker 1: is for sure correct, but that is a real stat
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Speaker 1: it's nineteen sixty seventy something. Sugar, pump that up.
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Speaker 2: Don't pop that at the end.
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Speaker 1: Who's just yeah, we're not a lot of people like
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Speaker 1: the we're a basketball school or a hockey school. For
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Speaker 1: mission's a sports school, dude, they are, they're doing the thing.
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Speaker 1: They're never won in hockey right now too. I know
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Speaker 1: hockey's been big for me in this last couple of weeks. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that you actually big for hockey?
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Speaker 2: Should we hockey?
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Speaker 1: Should we get to the biggest seventy five? Nineteen seventy
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Speaker 1: five first times is nineteen seventy five, so you know,
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Speaker 1: thirteen years.
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Speaker 2: Off time out.
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Speaker 5: That says last undefeated n CUAA D one men's basketball team.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's wrong.
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Speaker 2: Hey we're not experts on the show.
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Speaker 1: But the last in the Big Ten team finished without
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Speaker 1: a loss, without a loss, yeah, in the Big Ten. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: now they finished undefeated. We just finished undefeated in the
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Speaker 1: Big Ten.
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Speaker 2: Got you? We got one.
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Speaker 1: Slice of the pie, not the hole.
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Speaker 5: You sat on the road for a second, and that's
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Speaker 5: why I'm like, is that the truth?
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Speaker 1: But I read it, you know how the brain works.
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Speaker 1: You saw it reading a second ago. That's kind of
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Speaker 1: how it goes.
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Speaker 2: NFL for agency while I was in Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, NFL freezingly kind of started.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it the little tampering period?
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm talking about the commodore condor the command.
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Speaker 5: The biggest headline in free agency, Max going to the
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Speaker 5: Baltimore Raven for what.
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Speaker 1: Two first round picks? Is that what it was does
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Speaker 1: anybody think the Ravens overpaid it all in the back?
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Speaker 5: I definitely, Well, there was a and again this is
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Speaker 5: this is excellre. There was a stat out there all
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Speaker 5: the first rounders who've gotten like traded were they didn't
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Speaker 5: paint out to where the team ended up winning a championship.
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Speaker 5: So it kind of depends on what metric you going by.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no one's done it until someone like.
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Speaker 5: Max Crosby is a Hall of Fame defensive end that
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Speaker 5: is currently like still in his prime. Absolutely, Ravens made
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Speaker 5: an incredible move. They're clearly all in to win the
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Speaker 5: Super Bowl this year. Like they're all in. They have
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Speaker 5: a home wrecker on the line of scrimmage on defense. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: then you got Rokwan Smith second level, Coylin Hamilton, Kyle
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Speaker 5: Hamilton on the third level like their dial like Baltimore Ravens, Like,
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Speaker 5: I'm fired up for Max Max and the purple the
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Speaker 5: black that he just seems Baltimore.
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Speaker 1: Ras the pale skin is gonna pop off that purpose. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great contrast.
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Speaker 5: Yes, similar to how I was with the silver and black.
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Speaker 5: Yep on the Macro Ravens. Gotta I think they both
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Speaker 5: won because you got Raiders now two first round picks.
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Speaker 5: You're gonna get a quarterback with first of all, it's
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Speaker 5: probably gonna be for Nana Mendoza. Ye, So you got
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Speaker 5: a quarterback that you're buying into for the future. You
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Speaker 5: got two first round picks that you're getting to continue
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Speaker 5: to load up on draft capital for all of the
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Speaker 5: holes that they have with the Raiders right now, you
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Speaker 5: gotta ship off your best player, like your best leader, everything, everybody.
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Speaker 5: Everything that embodied being a Raider was Max Crosby, right,
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Speaker 5: him going to Baltimore.
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Speaker 2: That sucks.
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Speaker 5: But if you're a Raiders fan on just the pure
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Speaker 5: business side, on building toward the future, I think it's
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Speaker 5: like both sides kind of won.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the side just from my own, this is what
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Speaker 1: I would do if I was a GM. I love
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Speaker 1: the idea of acquiring assets that are already proven in
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Speaker 1: the entity 're trying to trying to win, which is
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Speaker 1: players that you know are good bring them to your team,
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Speaker 1: as opposed to going to the draft and having more
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Speaker 1: draft capital and taking a guess on guys a lot
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Speaker 1: more bus, a lot more bus out there as opposed
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Speaker 1: to I mean, this is a crazy comparison, because this dude,
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Speaker 1: like you said, as a Hall of Fame, a Hall
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Speaker 1: of Fame defensive player. The issue with the Ravens has
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Speaker 1: never been the name talent on their roster. Like going
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Speaker 1: into this year, it was their contenders. Look at how
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Speaker 1: all the names they have, they should have the best
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Speaker 1: defense and all of all the NFL. Now, their biggest
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Speaker 1: issue last year was getting was getting to the foot,
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Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback. They're going to fix that quite
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Speaker 1: a bit. I don't think they know what's coming in practice.
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Speaker 1: We truly don't know what's coming practice. But everything you
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Speaker 1: hear about practices, you're gonna have to take Max Crossby
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Speaker 1: out every once in a while just to just to
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Speaker 1: make sure.
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Speaker 2: You can function, to figure out they can have some success.
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Speaker 1: And then the question mark is is Lamar Jackson still
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I know a lot of people that like
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Speaker 1: Ravens fans are gonna hate that, But like we saw him,
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Speaker 1: he had his hamstring and even when he came back
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Speaker 1: a lot of open field opportunities and still kind of
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Speaker 1: getting taken down by one guy, which never happens with Lamar.
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Speaker 1: Keep him healthy, Max on the edge, But they might be.
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Speaker 5: Them Ravens are in a great spot. I think the Raiders.
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Speaker 5: We just talked about the macro on the micro I
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Speaker 5: think Max Crosby leaving speaks to the continued dysfunction going on.
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Speaker 1: With the Raiders.
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Speaker 5: And again I can I can tell the audience from
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Speaker 5: things that I've just heard, and it's very like, this
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Speaker 5: is very like I'm not in it in the Raiders, Insiders,
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Speaker 5: the relationships, everything else the way I used to be.
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Speaker 5: But things that I've heard shows that there are massive
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Speaker 5: question marks, like within the organization, like Tom Brady having
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Speaker 5: all the juice that he has. Who's is a pty?
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Speaker 5: Is it Alex Guerrero or Guerrera.
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Speaker 1: Sounds about right? A name sounds correct.
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Speaker 5: The guy who worked on Tom brady TB twelve method,
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Speaker 5: like the guys who would use Alex as Alex Guerrero,
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Speaker 5: who would use Alex Guerrero as like their third party
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Speaker 5: guy like away from the Patriots he is now it
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Speaker 5: seems like he has a lot of control inside the organization,
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Speaker 5: and there's a lot of friction and pushback with how
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Speaker 5: much control he has. Because Tom Brady is kind of
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Speaker 5: running a lot of the operation.
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Speaker 2: He is like a minority owner.
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Speaker 5: I think it's super interesting because of all the TV
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Speaker 5: stuff that he does and everything else and how he's involved.
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Speaker 5: It sounds like he is. And again this is more hearsay.
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Speaker 5: I don't know this too him. A lot of this
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Speaker 5: is assumption. This is just like hearing all the things
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Speaker 5: that I've heard I have Obviously I have a great
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Speaker 5: relationship with Max, but we never like talk about that
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Speaker 5: side of everything.
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Speaker 2: So you can take it for what it is.
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Speaker 5: But what I've just heard is that Tom has a
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Speaker 5: lot of juice inside the organization and it's ruffled feathers
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Speaker 5: because of the empowerment of an Alex Guerrero.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you look at it from the outside
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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, Tom Brady the best football player
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Speaker 1: of all time, he now is going to give all
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Speaker 1: of his little nuggets and little jewels to be able
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Speaker 1: to be like this is how you guys are great.
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Speaker 5: But which there's value, Yeah, there's obviously value in that.
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Speaker 1: The question mark for me with Tom is how how
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Speaker 1: much is this the main storyline for him? Because he's
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Speaker 1: got so many things going on with the broadcasting, He's
10:19
Speaker 1: got a bunch of different investments, a lot of stuff
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Speaker 1: with fanatics, Like how does he is he in the
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Speaker 1: Raiders building a couple of times a week making sure
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Speaker 1: everything's going the way he is or is he sending
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Speaker 1: out guys that he trusts to get done, Because those
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Speaker 1: are two totally different things. Mark Davis the owner, He's
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Speaker 1: got a temperament not only his haircut iconic, his decision
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Speaker 1: making question marks, and he makes decisions very quickly, which
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Speaker 1: causes a lot of this turmoil taking place. Not letting
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Speaker 1: guys get their guys in there, establishing their type of
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Speaker 1: culture because everyone's kind of seeing them from the NFL world.
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Speaker 1: The Mike Vrabel, the college role, the Kurt Signetti, It's like,
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Speaker 1: that's what we want immediately, and a lot of times
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Speaker 1: you're not going to get that. You have to have
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Speaker 1: a couple of years for guys to get in there,
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Speaker 1: mold their culture and what they want be interesting.
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Speaker 5: And apparently the show that broke the Camel's back, the
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Speaker 5: stuff that's like reported out there is that when they
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Speaker 5: sat Max at the end of the year, because Max
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Speaker 5: wanted to play like Max is a guy?
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Speaker 1: Did you Matt? Max came out with as soon as
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Speaker 1: they said he's the what he we're putting on ir
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Speaker 1: he was dunking a basketball and shooting threes.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, my instinct. And again Max and I don't talk
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Speaker 5: about those things. Like Max and I we just check
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Speaker 5: in and like, you know, show love to each other
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Speaker 5: as how kids are, you know, all that kind of
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Speaker 5: stuff's going. But when I'm watching that from the outside,
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Speaker 5: I think that is kind of like optically it's showing
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Speaker 5: Max's you know, how upset he was that they were
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Speaker 5: kind of deactivating him from the ROSS, because this is
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Speaker 5: a dude who play through through injuries. If Max can go,
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Speaker 5: like Max is always gonna go. You watch his video
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Speaker 5: when he's leaving, and you can just tell how authentic, genuine,
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Speaker 5: how much he wanted to essentially be a Raider for life.
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Speaker 5: And that is a guy you want to be a
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Speaker 5: rated for life because he's a captain. Not only is
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Speaker 5: a captain, but he's a Hall of Fame caliber player,
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Speaker 5: somebody who truly like there's no question whether this guy
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Speaker 5: dies for football, which is what you.
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Speaker 2: Want to build around.
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Speaker 5: And apparently it's like the Charlotte broke Camel's back is
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Speaker 5: him getting deactivated and shut down. And the reporting is
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Speaker 5: that they wanted to tank so that they could get
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Speaker 5: the first overall pick.
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Speaker 1: Which definitely sounds like, based on Mark Davis's history, something
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Speaker 1: that he would actually do.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, seems like, you know, a lot of misalignment. And
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Speaker 5: again this whole Alex Guerrero thing, I don't know what
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Speaker 5: his title is. Can you look up just what his
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Speaker 5: title is within the organization. But you have head trainers,
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Speaker 5: you have head strength coaches, and again this is hearsay.
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Speaker 5: What I've heard is Alex Garrow has a lot of juice.
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Speaker 5: Alex Guerrero, so Taylor and I from speaking from our
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Speaker 5: he's a wellness coordinator.
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Speaker 1: That's very broad. In my opinion, my.
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Speaker 5: Instinct tells me Tom has a lot of Jews to
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Speaker 5: kind of operate as a in the ownership of the Raiders.
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Speaker 5: He has Alex Guerrero his confidant, his guy that is
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Speaker 5: the guy that essentially reports to Tom, and he probably
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Speaker 5: gives Tom all the ins and outs of what, in
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Speaker 5: his opinion of what everything kind of goes on, breaking
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Speaker 5: down all the little details. The benefit of Alex Guerrero
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Speaker 5: when he with the Patriots is, you know, as a player, anytime,
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Speaker 5: you never want to be in the training room because
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Speaker 5: you never want an injury to get misconstrued or painted
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Speaker 5: a certain way, or you could be going through it
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Speaker 5: a lot more than what your trainer could be telling
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Speaker 5: the head coach, to where you're trying to get pushed
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Speaker 5: back on the field to play, and you're probably getting
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Speaker 5: a third opinion that tells you I need to continue
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Speaker 5: to rest, I need to kind of do other things,
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Speaker 5: but it seems like the training staff is doubting me,
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Speaker 5: or the team is doubting me. So it creates this
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Speaker 5: weird world to where as a player, you start to
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Speaker 5: learn the game within the game. In the NFL, you
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Speaker 5: start working with third party people in the off season.
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Speaker 5: During the season, you'll have a pet check in on
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Speaker 5: you and kind of give you his opinion on what
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Speaker 5: your injury is compared to what the athletic training room
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Speaker 5: is telling you what the injury is, because they're working
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Speaker 5: for the team, with the team, with the owner, So
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Speaker 5: you see the training room as more of the.
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Speaker 1: Op than you do.
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Speaker 5: There are ally in all facets of everything. So Tom
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Speaker 5: would use Alex Guerrero. Julian Edelman, I assume a lot
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Speaker 5: of these guys on the Patriots, you would use Alex
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Speaker 5: because Alex was a great third party resource. Now with
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Speaker 5: Alex Guerrero working in the Raiders organization bringing Oh hey,
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Speaker 5: here's what Alex does. I'm sure when he first got there,
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Speaker 5: everybody's probably excited. They probably had great relationships. But Alex
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Speaker 5: Guerrero is now if you're a Raider on that team,
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Speaker 5: you could see Alex Guerrero as the op as what
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Speaker 5: you would call in any business culture, as the guy
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Speaker 5: who's operating in the best interests of the logo and
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Speaker 5: not as much for the player like he once was
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Speaker 5: when he was just a third party guy getting to
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Speaker 5: work kind of with the Patriots and really just work
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Speaker 5: on Tom Brady and whoever Tom wanted to bring in
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Speaker 5: the circle. Now that you have Tom with all this juice,
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Speaker 5: and Alex Guerrero is seen as the right hay Man
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Speaker 5: kind of can overthrow the training room, kind of can
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Speaker 5: overthrow whatever is going on. Because of what his relationship
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Speaker 5: is with Tom Brady, you can see how that can
14:44
Speaker 5: create a dysfunction to where the relationship with Max or
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Speaker 5: maybe the relationship with other players on the roster, that's
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Speaker 5: kind of where you can create friction and kind of
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Speaker 5: see it fall apart a little bit. Because Alex Guerrero
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Speaker 5: is no longer a guy that as a player you
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Speaker 5: can work with outside of the business, outside of the logo.
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense, buddy, Yes, like that you painted.
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Speaker 1: You painted a exactly to me. If I would say
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Speaker 1: that one more time for Batim, No, you you nailed it.
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Speaker 1: The biggest thing that I picked up from everything you
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Speaker 1: said was as a player, you learn in the process
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Speaker 1: of being pulled in a million different directions. You get
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Speaker 1: an injury, you just stay an ankle injury.
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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, trainer looks at it.
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Speaker 1: MRI says, X, Y and Z, you're actually fine. You
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Speaker 1: can play this week. Agent sits over there and it's like,
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Speaker 1: let's get a third party. Third party guys like maybe
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Speaker 1: take a week off, maybe don't like you could hurt
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Speaker 1: it more.
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Speaker 5: Or guy that you see that you have now even
15:34
Speaker 5: even outside of the agent, a guy that you work.
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Speaker 2: With sapt like we've all had him.
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Speaker 5: Like there's a guy like I can speak to mel
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Speaker 5: I can speak to different guys that I've worked with
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Speaker 5: to where you go right to them and it's like, Hey,
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Speaker 5: this is what they're telling me, here's what the MRI is,
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Speaker 5: And they're kind of telling you, ah week this week,
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Speaker 5: that would be pushing it. In my opinion, you should
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Speaker 5: do you could do X, Y and Z.
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Speaker 1: Now you have to take the information you got from
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Speaker 1: a third party. You take it to the team, the head,
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Speaker 1: the head trainer. He's gonna look you in the eyes
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Speaker 1: and be like, hey, we got you whatever we need
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Speaker 1: to do for you. But then you figure out what
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Speaker 1: are they saying to the up top people who essentially
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Speaker 1: decide what your money is. Now with Alex Guerrero, this
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Speaker 1: is all allegedly we're having fun. We're trying to make
16:13
Speaker 1: make sense of this and trying to take our experiences.
16:15
Speaker 1: Right now, we have all this kind of convoluted web
16:18
Speaker 1: that is taking place with this player that's put essentially
16:20
Speaker 1: put in the middle of the mental warfare. It takes place.
16:23
Speaker 1: People are talking about this player from from this side.
16:25
Speaker 1: He needs to do it. I don't know why he's
16:26
Speaker 1: not playing. The other side is like, you need to
16:28
Speaker 1: make sure that you take care of your body because
16:29
Speaker 1: it's about sustanding longevity in this league. Now enter Alex Guerrero.
16:33
Speaker 1: So all that mental fortitude to have as a player,
16:37
Speaker 1: you now had to have to have as a head
16:39
Speaker 1: trainer in the building as well. Because Alex Guerrero is
16:41
Speaker 1: not only reporting on this player he's also reporting on
16:44
Speaker 1: what this head trainer is doing from a day to
16:46
Speaker 1: day base, especially with all his assistant associates with him
16:48
Speaker 1: as well. So now in the world staff, we sit
16:52
Speaker 1: in the like as Americans, as the NFL we've seen.
16:59
Speaker 1: We sit there as like these are alpha males, ultimate
17:02
Speaker 1: glad of your type people. And then once you get
17:04
Speaker 1: down to the micro of it all, everybody's dealing with
17:07
Speaker 1: their own storylines that take place. The more insecurity you
17:09
Speaker 1: can place in a person, the more cracks in the
17:12
Speaker 1: foundation you can get, especially when you're in a twenty
17:14
Speaker 1: week season, so when you're when the player has it,
17:17
Speaker 1: you learn that over time, these assistant coaches, these trainers,
17:21
Speaker 1: they seem like they have it all together, but a
17:23
Speaker 1: lot of times also have the same issues. And when
17:25
Speaker 1: the added pressure comes there, that's when you see a
17:28
Speaker 1: massive crumbling foundation. Am I following you correctly?
17:30
Speaker 2: Yes?
17:31
Speaker 1: Yes, Hey we kind of yeah, the fans might not know,
17:34
Speaker 1: but we kind of are moving. Because that felt good.
17:37
Speaker 2: That do you get all that?
17:38
Speaker 1: JP?
17:39
Speaker 2: It felt amazing.
17:40
Speaker 3: If I could just piggyback on that, it reminded me
17:44
Speaker 3: of those videos that's like ear wait, go ahead.
17:46
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say as you guys listening us
17:50
Speaker 5: talking through all of that. Was that making sense on
17:52
Speaker 5: the whole macro. If you're a Raiders fan, you know
17:55
Speaker 5: you're getting draft capital, you're probably gonna get Fernando, all
17:58
Speaker 5: these things are happening to be optimistic about. And then
18:00
Speaker 5: on the flip side, on the micro of Max Leabit
18:03
Speaker 5: leaving that could speak volumes to what is happening internally.
18:06
Speaker 6: You broke it down in such detail that I understand
18:08
Speaker 6: it fully.
18:09
Speaker 1: Okay, we need to clip that. I'd be like, just
18:13
Speaker 1: do you understand this?
18:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, all Raiders fans should listen to that, ye, in
18:17
Speaker 5: true detail, because again it's like if they win and
18:21
Speaker 5: they're making all these right moves, then clearly like winning
18:24
Speaker 5: solves everything.
18:25
Speaker 1: Solves everything.
18:26
Speaker 5: The insight is doing what it should be doing to
18:28
Speaker 5: push the team forward, as in Max Crosby and bodying
18:31
Speaker 5: everything you want as a Raider. If you go fully
18:34
Speaker 5: into the weeds of it and it doesn't pain out
18:36
Speaker 5: for you, just don't be surprised, because this is our
18:39
Speaker 5: instinct on the inner workings of what's going on.
18:41
Speaker 1: Because hey, when you get into the mental part of
18:44
Speaker 1: the season, enter Max Crosbie, who's going to play over
18:48
Speaker 1: everything and has those leadership capabilities that he's clearly proven
18:51
Speaker 1: every player says about him. He's walking in the training
18:53
Speaker 1: room as well and checking guys like can you actually
18:56
Speaker 1: play this week? He's got that type of person he is,
18:58
Speaker 1: yes personality, So now you're losing that person that's you know,
19:04
Speaker 1: he's for the boys. He's a player, but he's also
19:07
Speaker 1: he's so at such a high level he's almost a
19:09
Speaker 1: coach as well, so he can play that back and
19:12
Speaker 1: forth game too, which essentially leads to elevation of most
19:14
Speaker 1: guys around you.
19:15
Speaker 7: Yeah, going back to you talking about the Raiders on
19:17
Speaker 7: like the macro level, do you think they're going to
19:19
Speaker 7: use those picks in draft because they haven't particularly drafted
19:22
Speaker 7: well the last couple of years. I mean, they got
19:24
Speaker 7: Ashton Gent, but I think three of their first round
19:28
Speaker 7: picks in the last like five or six years.
19:29
Speaker 2: Are no longer on the team.
19:31
Speaker 1: That's a great question.
19:31
Speaker 7: Do you think they're going to use that as to
19:33
Speaker 7: go get a big fish or do you think they're
19:35
Speaker 7: going to try and draft.
19:37
Speaker 5: Clearly they think a little bit, they feel a little
19:38
Speaker 5: bit more. They probably feel confident going into this draft
19:41
Speaker 5: on getting those first round picks. I'm sure they're not like, oh,
19:44
Speaker 5: we suck at picking first rounders. Why do we have
19:45
Speaker 5: first round picks at our disposal? We suck at picking
19:48
Speaker 5: first rounders. Right, They need a lot of pieces, So
19:51
Speaker 5: I understand the move from a business perspective. You take
19:54
Speaker 5: out all the micro you take out the feelings everything
19:57
Speaker 5: going on, Like you had this in the way, a
19:58
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame player to get two first round picks
20:01
Speaker 5: along with the first overall pick. You have Ashton genty,
20:04
Speaker 5: But you need an offensive line, like you need so
20:07
Speaker 5: many guys. You clearly need guys on defense now like
20:09
Speaker 5: they need They have so many holes.
20:11
Speaker 7: I mean if you go back and look at their
20:13
Speaker 7: last first round draft picks, I mean Cleveland Ferrell, Johnson, Abrams,
20:16
Speaker 7: like they're no, they were no longer on the team
20:18
Speaker 7: after two to three years.
20:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a different regime.
20:23
Speaker 7: And I mean who used to say like this, whether
20:25
Speaker 7: it's Tom or whoever it's doing.
20:26
Speaker 1: Because now they have Kobiak the biggest question because yeah,
20:29
Speaker 1: you look at the Raiders roster and it's like there's
20:31
Speaker 1: so many holes there. That's like you really you got
20:34
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of patchwork. It's not going to
20:35
Speaker 1: work with having two first round picks when this is
20:37
Speaker 1: not going to solve all of your issues. So there's
20:40
Speaker 1: a lot of time till the draft where you can
20:42
Speaker 1: go find the players you want, maybe grab a couple
20:44
Speaker 1: of guys that are more mid level for those first
20:47
Speaker 1: round picks, or throw a second round pick in there.
20:49
Speaker 1: Because the biggest question mark, and if you look back
20:52
Speaker 1: at how the coaching carouself was going, the Raiders and
20:55
Speaker 1: the Cardinals came down to the last two teams that
20:57
Speaker 1: were able to find their head coach. Both of them
20:59
Speaker 1: were vying for Clint Kubiak. Raiders end up getting Clint Kubiak,
21:02
Speaker 1: but I'm sure in that process because of how the
21:05
Speaker 1: two franchises kind of handled themselves and their decision making
21:07
Speaker 1: process and how quickly they make decisions, it's more difficult
21:11
Speaker 1: to sit there as a up and coming OC like
21:13
Speaker 1: Kubiak was at Seattle and be like, do I really
21:16
Speaker 1: want to dive off into this deep end with this team,
21:19
Speaker 1: because I don't know if eighteen months from now or
21:21
Speaker 1: a year from now, I'm already on a hot seat.
21:23
Speaker 1: When you look at the roster and you're like, I know,
21:26
Speaker 1: like I believe in my brain and my abilities to
21:29
Speaker 1: put these guys in good positions. But do I actually
21:31
Speaker 1: have the talent to operate in a sense that I
21:33
Speaker 1: can get into January type.
21:35
Speaker 5: Of football in the leadership above me to get the
21:37
Speaker 5: pieces that were ATYI.
21:41
Speaker 1: I bet you that's what was one of the reasons
21:43
Speaker 1: that took a little bit longer to get to. I
21:45
Speaker 1: think it was a Super bowls right after the Super
21:47
Speaker 1: Bowl when Kubiak took the job there right so clearly
21:50
Speaker 1: he's in the playoffs. I'm not going to make the
21:51
Speaker 1: decision till after. But a lot of times, you know
21:54
Speaker 1: they've already made the decision. They've told them everyone behind
21:57
Speaker 1: closed doors kind of knows. I could see that conversation
21:59
Speaker 1: with Kuby a being, as you know, highly touted, as
22:02
Speaker 1: he was sitting down with Davis and being like, I
22:05
Speaker 1: need to know, like what your patience level is going
22:08
Speaker 1: into this as I see your roster, and but let
22:10
Speaker 1: me tell you it's not great because there's so much
22:12
Speaker 1: for them to do and.
22:13
Speaker 5: Kubiak being an offensive guy. Like again, speaking on the
22:15
Speaker 5: optimism side, is if you think, Foranana Mendoz is gonna
22:18
Speaker 5: be who you think he's going to be as a
22:19
Speaker 5: number one overall pick.
22:20
Speaker 2: You'll have you have.
22:22
Speaker 5: Ashton Genty, who is a stud. Brock Bauers, Michael Mayer like,
22:26
Speaker 5: you have some pieces, foundational things to build around, and
22:30
Speaker 5: now through free agency in the draft, it's like, how
22:32
Speaker 5: do you get a line of scrimmage? Get a wide receiver?
22:35
Speaker 5: On right?
22:38
Speaker 7: Myers, If I'm the Raiders, I'm if I'm a Raiders fan,
22:42
Speaker 7: i am extremely pessimistic right now.
22:44
Speaker 1: Oh, I see, I'm the opposite, the opposite.
22:47
Speaker 5: The messages I've gotten is it doesn't it. It's more
22:49
Speaker 5: pessimism than you.
22:50
Speaker 1: Gotta be optimistic, gotta believe every year is your year.
22:53
Speaker 1: You got to get in there.
22:54
Speaker 2: This is a franchise, bro that's that you're coming from.
22:56
Speaker 5: I agree, early two thousands, like probably maybe longer than
23:00
Speaker 5: that most head coach turnover, organizational turnover.
23:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. The Raiders are now kind of coming
23:08
Speaker 1: out as like the front runner for all that, when
23:09
Speaker 1: really we looked at the Browns for the longest time,
23:12
Speaker 1: the fans before Joe Burrow got there, the sales, the Jets.
23:16
Speaker 5: And the one core thing that you at least had
23:19
Speaker 5: no matter what, was just I'm proud that Max Crosby
23:22
Speaker 5: is on a football.
23:23
Speaker 1: Team, and did that news broke? He's gone that news
23:25
Speaker 1: broke Friday? Yeah, I'm Max was supposed to go to
23:28
Speaker 1: Powaslop Friday obviously doesn't come for a very smart move
23:31
Speaker 1: by him. Everybody was talking about it the entire time,
23:34
Speaker 1: Like local Las Vegas people were like devastated at the
23:38
Speaker 1: idea that they're like, they're king is now gone. Yeah,
23:40
Speaker 1: it just sucks.
23:42
Speaker 2: And smart move for him to do it on his pod.
23:44
Speaker 1: So what we got that idea?
23:47
Speaker 2: Beautiful?
23:48
Speaker 1: Oh beautiful. I'll tell you what. Who do you think
23:55
Speaker 1: is formatter Raiders fan base or Jamar Chase? Who was
24:00
Speaker 1: more mad about the Max Crosby trade news. For those
24:04
Speaker 1: of you that don't know what was it, Jamar Chase.
24:05
Speaker 1: He was on a Twitch stream. He's at like a
24:09
Speaker 1: he's just sitting on him. Did you hear his voice? Yeah?
24:11
Speaker 1: And apparently get you allegedly gets a text from Joe
24:14
Speaker 1: Burrow saying that Max Crosby has been traded to the Ravens,
24:18
Speaker 1: and his words where I believe highly fucking pissed. Highly
24:22
Speaker 1: fucking pissed was a phrase, a direct quote that I
24:24
Speaker 1: heard could be a I could could not be I
24:27
Speaker 1: don't know. This game is already above my head. I
24:29
Speaker 1: can't handle it. But seems like people are a little terrified.
24:33
Speaker 3: Would love to think that Joe Burrow sent that text
24:36
Speaker 3: message to Jamar Chase while he's at the blackjack.
24:38
Speaker 2: Table with Jessica Alba.
24:40
Speaker 3: Yes, bro, hang on, Jess, I gotta text my boy
24:42
Speaker 3: real click the saying good.
24:43
Speaker 2: For us Joe's bum.
24:45
Speaker 5: But then jess Galva's on your arm.
24:48
Speaker 1: How can you get how old is Jessalva? No, it doesn't.
24:53
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, it doesn't.
24:55
Speaker 2: She's a woman, bro, a business woman.
24:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:58
Speaker 3: Where to celebrate the Internets Women's Day?
25:00
Speaker 1: Yes, bro, Yeah, yeah, age, Mat, that was a dumb question.
25:05
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, guys.
25:05
Speaker 1: Calm me out for that. Joe just wins, man, He
25:09
Speaker 1: just wins.
25:10
Speaker 2: Except on the football field.
25:11
Speaker 1: Just right now.
25:12
Speaker 2: Listen, just right now, just right now. That wasn't That
25:15
Speaker 2: wasn't anything.
25:16
Speaker 1: That was the way you said it, the way you
25:18
Speaker 1: saw Joe. You said like you were in a rush
25:20
Speaker 1: to get it out, like you wanted to say it,
25:24
Speaker 1: but he was from the football fielder. Just get there there, like, hey,
25:29
Speaker 1: we got this is a long form show. You tell
25:32
Speaker 1: you to jump the gun like that. Joe Burrow, I
25:35
Speaker 1: will say this. We've talked about our white buffalos all
25:38
Speaker 1: the time, and I ever since the Super Bowl, Joe
25:41
Speaker 1: Burrow is my number one player, number one person over
25:44
Speaker 1: Vince Fawn that I need to get on bustled. He
25:47
Speaker 1: is efficient the way he just I'm sure Justice Alba
25:51
Speaker 1: felt the same thing, like he should he he I
25:54
Speaker 1: trust me. I not only said this, I for the
25:56
Speaker 1: first time in my life, took time to think about.
25:58
Speaker 2: It more than Hey, more than it's been how many weeks?
26:01
Speaker 1: Is super Bowl a month? More like we're in a
26:04
Speaker 1: month category. I've thought about.
26:05
Speaker 2: Joe every day, more than Johnny Knoxville.
26:08
Speaker 1: More than Johnny Knoxville. Well, Vince Font's my one, more
26:12
Speaker 1: than Travis Stauna, more than Machine Gun Kelly, more than
26:15
Speaker 1: machine and Kelly, Yes.
26:16
Speaker 5: More than if we had more than if we had
26:18
Speaker 5: Blinkin on the bus all together.
26:20
Speaker 1: There it is there. It is no Blake the entire band.
26:26
Speaker 1: You're right, absolutely. I had a dream about them the
26:27
Speaker 1: other day. Can I tell you guys my dream quickly?
26:30
Speaker 1: I know this is not that kind of show. This
26:32
Speaker 1: is a real dream. So much show, so much show.
26:41
Speaker 1: I called my wife the morning I had this dream.
26:43
Speaker 1: I was in Nashville. I had a dream. I was
26:46
Speaker 1: with Mark, Tom and Travis and they're playing We're playing together.
26:50
Speaker 1: I don't play. We're all playing together, and I'm like,
26:52
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be sick if we sang this song.
26:54
Speaker 1: But Mark, you saying Tom's versus and Tom say Mark
26:57
Speaker 1: and their minds were fucking blown by that. Woke up
27:01
Speaker 1: so happy. That's it. That's the end of the story.
27:05
Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you boys. Blake with eighteen number one.
27:09
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow too, just the way he said turned us down,
27:14
Speaker 1: turns down and then and then reverted to you just
27:16
Speaker 1: gotta find me on the right day, which mean you
27:17
Speaker 1: feel like we need to set up shop in Cincinnati
27:19
Speaker 1: until he's ready.
27:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
27:20
Speaker 5: It sounds like Joe Burrow's gone beyond a white boy
27:24
Speaker 5: with motion.
27:24
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah, he's breaking all sorts of trends right now. Yeah,
27:29
Speaker 1: but you gotta feel for him.
27:30
Speaker 2: I mean t J.
27:31
Speaker 5: Watt, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby.
27:34
Speaker 1: I mean dear God Tree Hendrickson's in freegency.
27:37
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, most sacked, most hit quarterback.
27:41
Speaker 1: Yeah do, which begs the question, there is that stat
27:44
Speaker 1: about Joe Burrow and Andrew Luck and Andrew Luck with
27:48
Speaker 1: everyone was like, look, how tough Andrew Luck is? This
27:50
Speaker 1: guy He gets hit all the time and he still
27:52
Speaker 1: sits in there and faces it. Joe Burrow statistically has
27:54
Speaker 1: been hit more in the same amount of games. Is
27:57
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow tougher than Andrew Luck? Is that? The question?
28:01
Speaker 4: What season? Did Andrew Luck retire in?
28:03
Speaker 2: Eight? Eight?
28:04
Speaker 4: And where's Joe right now?
28:05
Speaker 1: I think at this let's say he's going to seven.
28:07
Speaker 1: So at the six year mark, they've been hit sacked.
28:10
Speaker 1: Sam mount right here one for.
28:14
Speaker 4: Bro through seventy one games compared to Luck one hundred
28:17
Speaker 4: and fifty seven.
28:19
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
28:20
Speaker 3: But are you taking in a fight?
28:21
Speaker 1: Yeah?
28:21
Speaker 5: I think on paper if we're just having fun with
28:24
Speaker 5: it now, Joe.
28:26
Speaker 1: Have you seen Andrew Luck now? Yeah, But I mean
28:28
Speaker 1: he's full of Stanford's.
28:31
Speaker 5: Bro I'm talking truck and fools out there.
28:33
Speaker 2: You're talking.
28:35
Speaker 1: No, No, he's flipping that, he's flipping that.
28:37
Speaker 2: I'll take Andrew Luck in a fight.
28:40
Speaker 1: Have you seen a recent photo of Andrew Luck?
28:44
Speaker 5: Hey, don't get fooled by the Clark can't look when Yeah, you.
28:48
Speaker 1: Put those you put those on Luke Kickley. Yeah, I
28:50
Speaker 1: feel differently, right, Taylor. He does no sleeper build Taylor.
28:54
Speaker 4: You know this more than anyone.
28:55
Speaker 8: If you're a Titans fan, you know that Andrew Luck
28:58
Speaker 8: beat the dog shit out of us for his whole career.
29:01
Speaker 8: I honestly have to take Andrew love out of respect.
29:04
Speaker 8: I mean truly, it was a massacre.
29:06
Speaker 1: As far as far as grit goes, Like just go
29:09
Speaker 1: to go do that top row, top row, that third
29:12
Speaker 1: one in, that's grit. Yeah, that's a gritty guy right there.
29:18
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29:19
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Speaker 5: with Loose Bobs, what other moves have happened? I saw
30:41
Speaker 5: TWOA got released to four Time four Time Care, DJ
30:46
Speaker 5: More to the Bills.
30:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big one. I think that's actually which
30:49
Speaker 1: one you. I think DJ Moore to the Bills.
30:51
Speaker 2: I think that's huge for the bills.
30:52
Speaker 1: The biggest issue they had. Basically, it turned into Josh
30:55
Speaker 1: Allen has to be Superman every single game in order
30:57
Speaker 1: for them to even make it to the super Bowl
30:59
Speaker 1: or make it run. And would they have Shakir they
31:03
Speaker 1: had Uhie Coleman. Yeah, he had a whole bunch of
31:10
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was maturity issues, showing up
31:12
Speaker 1: late whatever. It was great offensive line, but like it
31:15
Speaker 1: really was like, you have no weapons on the perimeter
31:17
Speaker 1: to really help you out. This is a massive addition
31:19
Speaker 1: for them. Would love to see the Bills make one
31:21
Speaker 1: more move like that on the offensive side of the ball,
31:23
Speaker 1: maybe a little what were they the number one run defense,
31:28
Speaker 1: number thirty two pass defense or was it flipped?
31:30
Speaker 2: Might have been flipped?
31:32
Speaker 1: So okay, you find yourself a nice little nose or
31:34
Speaker 1: a three technique and then Bank get you another perimeter guy.
31:37
Speaker 1: And I love the Bills, Like this is turning into
31:40
Speaker 1: like I think like Josh Allen's going into his joker face,
31:44
Speaker 1: like he's going he's he's about that.
31:45
Speaker 2: He's gonna I think this is Bill's super Bowl.
31:48
Speaker 1: I'm about Tom about Yeah, I'm getting close to you.
31:51
Speaker 1: They make another move, I'm back on him again. Ravens
31:54
Speaker 1: are show me, don't tell me.
31:57
Speaker 8: Another breaking not confirmed yet, but Adam Scheffner two seconds ago.
32:02
Speaker 8: Falcons are expected to pursue to a tongue of Iloa.
32:05
Speaker 1: Oh shit really yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. Travis
32:11
Speaker 1: Kelcey expected to return. Couldn't see Travis Kelsey going anywhere else.
32:16
Speaker 2: No, No, they're gonna work something out there.
32:17
Speaker 1: He can.
32:17
Speaker 5: They can put out all the articles they want that
32:19
Speaker 5: he's open and talking to other teams like that's all,
32:21
Speaker 5: that's all optics. Yeah, he's gonna be a can't see
32:23
Speaker 5: chief for yeah.
32:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. He can't go out on a shield like
32:26
Speaker 2: like they did.
32:27
Speaker 1: Last Yeah, to a tongue of iloa, going to the Falcons.
32:30
Speaker 1: My opinion doesn't change by the Falcons. Third in the division, Okay, right,
32:38
Speaker 1: there's some maybe fourth, there's some speculator maybe fourth. That's
32:43
Speaker 1: clean take. That's that's that's clean take.
32:45
Speaker 2: Kevin Cent your food, that's a good, clean take.
32:47
Speaker 1: That's clean take. No disrespect the tua. But once again
32:50
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you gotta kind of show me, don't
32:51
Speaker 1: tell me ninety two. Mili, I'm stoked for you. You've been paid.
32:55
Speaker 1: But just when your boy was ripping packs. I went
32:57
Speaker 1: to a couple of trading like a couple of car places,
32:59
Speaker 1: and I got some like I think, what twenty twenty,
33:01
Speaker 1: what was their rookie year, twenty one, whatever it was,
33:04
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, if you pull anybody but Tua
33:07
Speaker 1: in this pack, you'll you're doing good. That's how you
33:09
Speaker 1: know it was bad. It's made it to the trading cards.
33:12
Speaker 2: Ship.
33:14
Speaker 1: Can't feel good for your pennis, No, yeah, yeah, but yeah,
33:18
Speaker 1: but he the mobility, the injuries, it's just the same.
33:24
Speaker 1: But one's lower, one's upper. As far as the injuries.
33:28
Speaker 2: Goes, the upper is the brain.
33:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's they That is it. You're absolutely right.
33:36
Speaker 2: He's one gang sign away from my plane anymore.
33:39
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, rich boy talking about fencing.
33:47
Speaker 2: We'll leave that in. But this is just not a representation.
33:50
Speaker 1: As not Yeah, Will Compton and Taylor one did not
33:52
Speaker 1: say that. Yeah, we don't promote ct here. Hey, we
33:57
Speaker 1: just have it.
33:57
Speaker 5: On a w though for the Bears, going back to
33:59
Speaker 5: DJ Moore, they got a secondround pick from it too,
34:01
Speaker 5: so I think I think that one was also a win.
34:04
Speaker 2: Win, But I feel like.
34:07
Speaker 1: Bears kind of need him.
34:09
Speaker 5: Bears needing, but just from seeing kind of everything unfold,
34:12
Speaker 5: Like it's not like DJ Moore was touching.
34:14
Speaker 2: The rock a whole lot.
34:15
Speaker 5: And to be honest, and you saw even if you're
34:17
Speaker 5: the whole argument and this is this is a small example,
34:20
Speaker 5: but the last route where he was kind of like
34:21
Speaker 5: jogging on.
34:22
Speaker 2: Like that, there could have been something everywhere.
34:24
Speaker 5: DJ Moore, He's now got different grass, greener grass to go,
34:27
Speaker 5: you know, reset, restart. It probably just wasn't a fit
34:30
Speaker 5: with the Bears, and then they can both kind of
34:32
Speaker 5: move on. Bears gonna get second around draft capital, Yeah
34:35
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
34:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good that they where they DJ Moore got
34:37
Speaker 1: here from the Panthers to the Bears originally correct that
34:40
Speaker 1: he got. That's good that they got good draft equity
34:43
Speaker 1: out of him as well just a few years later. Really,
34:46
Speaker 1: the Bears all they need is when Caleb Williams feet
34:49
Speaker 1: are set to be accurate, because whenever he's off script,
34:52
Speaker 1: he's the greatest football player I've ever watched. But if
34:55
Speaker 1: he can just you know, throw a slant with his
34:58
Speaker 1: feet set, I don't think anybody's.
35:00
Speaker 5: I don't want his feet said ever, keep him on
35:02
Speaker 5: the move always. I want it cut. Cut the field
35:05
Speaker 5: in half.
35:06
Speaker 1: We're rolling left, rolling right. I would love to see
35:08
Speaker 1: the evolution of Caleb Williams just dropping back hitch and
35:14
Speaker 1: just paint one right on somebody's chest. Yeah, that to
35:17
Speaker 1: me is just that's football porn to me. Right there,
35:19
Speaker 1: the kids got all he's already got that's not that's
35:24
Speaker 1: the next level. I want you want to running.
35:29
Speaker 5: I want him run it like back in high school.
35:30
Speaker 5: Would be called the seven hundred series, which is rolling left,
35:33
Speaker 5: eight hundred series, which is rolling right. Nine hundred series
35:36
Speaker 5: was dropped back. We get the nine hundred series out
35:38
Speaker 5: of there. We're going left and right every play one
35:41
Speaker 5: you might fake go right and then hey, Caleb, do
35:43
Speaker 5: is spin back around to the other set?
35:45
Speaker 1: Called that Randall and Lamar with the Titans. Yeah, it's
35:48
Speaker 1: the blind you're faking and you're doing a full roll out. Yeah,
35:51
Speaker 1: you got two thirds of the field now, as opposed
35:53
Speaker 1: to half of the field for aging signs.
35:57
Speaker 2: A J.
35:57
Speaker 1: Brown heard saw a tweet. Not a whole lot of traction.
36:01
Speaker 1: Not a whole lot of traction right now, A whole
36:02
Speaker 1: lot going on with to see A J.
36:06
Speaker 5: Brown end up a patriot? Yes, you know who else?
36:09
Speaker 5: I'd love to see end up a patriot?
36:10
Speaker 1: Can I guess? Give me give me a f C.
36:12
Speaker 1: NFC okay a f C Okay? South am I right? South? Okay?
36:19
Speaker 1: Hard working, hardworking.
36:21
Speaker 5: Sneaky, athletic okay, gritty, all right, all the intangibles.
36:26
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, Nope, that's NFC. Hold on, Jeffrey Simmons.
36:32
Speaker 2: Nope, he's got motion.
36:40
Speaker 1: No, I don't have it.
36:40
Speaker 5: You can't quite put your finger on it, can you.
36:45
Speaker 2: No.
36:45
Speaker 5: Alec Pierce, Alec Pearce, this is is that's a patriot.
36:49
Speaker 1: I've never got that in a million years, even in
36:53
Speaker 1: my brain.
36:53
Speaker 2: Right now he's out there.
36:55
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking to myself, he's about.
36:58
Speaker 2: To get paid. I think that's a patriot through the
37:00
Speaker 2: league last two years and yards for catch. He's just done.
37:04
Speaker 1: Oh come on now, all right, all right.
37:08
Speaker 2: But a couple right there looking patriots thinking about braves.
37:12
Speaker 1: Braves.
37:13
Speaker 2: If you're listening to us, and we know you do
37:14
Speaker 2: every week, come he does.
37:15
Speaker 5: We already know the A. J. Brown one, but it
37:17
Speaker 5: just Alec Pierce, this would be rudy. I'm putting my
37:20
Speaker 5: jersey on the table.
37:21
Speaker 2: Get him to.
37:21
Speaker 1: New England, Get him to New England. Two weapons done? Uh, frage.
37:26
Speaker 1: He's going to be massive. But who's fighting Logan Paul
37:29
Speaker 1: is the question? Hang on, hang on?
37:30
Speaker 5: I got one more, one more speculation, one more speculation
37:33
Speaker 5: going on out there.
37:35
Speaker 2: Mike Evans to the forty nine.
37:36
Speaker 1: Ers, clean take, Yeah, clean that off.
37:43
Speaker 2: Mike Evans to the forty nine ers, speculation.
37:46
Speaker 1: Why have you? Can I ask you this? Have you
37:48
Speaker 1: heard anything he heard?
37:50
Speaker 8: Expect released within the next hour and then there should
37:53
Speaker 8: be motion in that.
37:56
Speaker 4: By now that you're listening, there should be an answer.
37:58
Speaker 1: It should be done. So just know if it happened,
38:01
Speaker 1: will Compton called it? You're not hearing it afterwards, A.
38:05
Speaker 5: Clean take from the bus. We would love to see
38:06
Speaker 5: Mike Evans in a forty nine ers years.
38:08
Speaker 1: Would love to see Mike Evans in the forty nine uniform.
38:11
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on that one. Keep an eye on
38:13
Speaker 2: all right.
38:14
Speaker 1: I'll do one and then we'll go to Logan Paul,
38:16
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, the Jets. Kyler Murray, the Jets. I like
38:21
Speaker 1: something about it. He just seems like they love their runners.
38:23
Speaker 1: They love guys that can scamper around a little bit.
38:26
Speaker 5: A counter on reports out there, Okay vikings for Kyler Murray.
38:30
Speaker 5: Interesting former first rounder.
38:32
Speaker 1: I believe somebody in Kevin O'Connell pre pro meetings had
38:35
Speaker 1: backup nine.
38:36
Speaker 2: Is that, Derek?
38:37
Speaker 5: I he Ain't you get Kyler Murray on the Vikings
38:40
Speaker 5: and Kevin O'Connell. They tap into that potential. Yeah, No,
38:44
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray is a baller, bro. You think he's sitting
38:46
Speaker 5: behind nine.
38:51
Speaker 8: Stock an employee bust with the Boys, biggest K one
38:54
Speaker 8: fan that's out there on Friday, he made a prediction
38:57
Speaker 8: for the Vikings. I wasn't aware of this. Kyler Murray
39:00
Speaker 8: grew up a Vikings fan, even though he's a Texas guy.
39:03
Speaker 8: He didn't want to be in the Cowboys regime. He
39:04
Speaker 8: says they sucked, So he was a Vikings fan.
39:07
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
39:08
Speaker 4: Do with that information what you will.
39:10
Speaker 1: I still love the idea of Aaron Rodgers and the
39:12
Speaker 1: Vikings kind of making love for one year. Yeah, Coop
39:15
Speaker 1: is Coop stays down?
39:19
Speaker 2: Were you talking? You were just saying Rogers and Vikings.
39:21
Speaker 1: Rogers, Vikings. I think there's an experience like all that.
39:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, but man K one with Kevin O'Connell, Bro, Jay Jets.
39:31
Speaker 1: Anybody with Kevin O'Connell. Honestly, you see that Jefferson, Justin
39:35
Speaker 1: Jefferson and nine unfollowed each other on Instagram. Wait what yeah,
39:41
Speaker 1: so we instagram drama. This is allegedly please look it
39:43
Speaker 1: up for me. Someone told me and showed me. But
39:46
Speaker 1: they might have re followed each other, but we had
39:49
Speaker 1: uh nine and Justin Jefferson. I believe Justin Jefferson was
39:52
Speaker 1: the first one. This is allegedly unfollowed nine nine his
39:55
Speaker 1: rebuttal unfollowing Justin Jefferson on Instagram. Yeah, that's that's TMZ
40:01
Speaker 1: sports right there.
40:03
Speaker 5: And I know on the surface that seems laughable and petty,
40:05
Speaker 5: but that is a sure just looked it up.
40:09
Speaker 4: That's today's football though, Today's that's.
40:13
Speaker 1: How you know, that's how you know. So drama taking place.
40:18
Speaker 1: And I understand Justin Jefferson. You under says he has
40:20
Speaker 1: a finite amount of time. He's getting older, he is
40:22
Speaker 1: in his prime right now. Just a year ago, they're like, hey,
40:24
Speaker 1: greatest wide receiver in the NFL has a down year
40:27
Speaker 1: this year? Is Justin Jefferson? Is it because the person's
40:29
Speaker 1: throwing them the ball? A lot of people say it's
40:31
Speaker 1: the guy that's throwing him the football.
40:32
Speaker 2: So back and.
40:34
Speaker 1: Forth emotions egos. Ryan Holiday's trying to enter the chat.
40:37
Speaker 1: They won't open the door. There's a lot of stuff
40:38
Speaker 1: taking place, So we will.
40:40
Speaker 5: See Dudek throwing bombs to Justin Jefferson.
40:45
Speaker 1: That won't be crazy, and then all the DB's back
40:48
Speaker 1: up and he just scampers for twenty five scoots.
40:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tell you what that that division because the
40:54
Speaker 5: Vikings were the they were the anchor in that division.
40:56
Speaker 1: And then also the Lions. Taylor Decker is requesting a trade.
41:01
Speaker 1: They cut Graham Glasgow.
41:03
Speaker 2: Doesn't seem out like Alex Adzelonei's going back there.
41:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like, uh, Crackson foundation, Crackston foundation with
41:10
Speaker 1: the Lions Packers.
41:12
Speaker 5: It's just a rehinder how quickly things can just change
41:15
Speaker 5: in one year. Yeah, like when you have it and
41:17
Speaker 5: you're like, one moment, when did the Lions get knocked out?
41:21
Speaker 2: Three years ago? Was it the was it the divisional round?
41:25
Speaker 2: It wasn't the conference?
41:26
Speaker 1: Just no, this is the NFC Championship, NFC championshi is
41:29
Speaker 1: and just again forty nine ers, right, Uh, this is
41:32
Speaker 1: the year the forty nine Ers played the Chiefs and
41:36
Speaker 1: lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yes,
41:39
Speaker 1: junior twenty eight, twenty twenty four. Yeah, and then so
41:42
Speaker 1: go ahead continue.
41:43
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, like, you know, there, you're
41:45
Speaker 5: thinking Dan Campbell, the Lions, this organization, like they're going
41:48
Speaker 5: to be back in this spot year in and year out. Right,
41:50
Speaker 5: they're chasing the Super Bowl to now we're getting that.
41:52
Speaker 5: We're having these conversations about Taylor Decker.
41:54
Speaker 2: I wonder why you requested a trade.
41:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, Glasgow moving on, Frank Wragg now retiring. Yeah, I
42:02
Speaker 5: feel like that's what maybe, yeah, yeah, I see, But
42:05
Speaker 5: just like the turnover, how quickly things can.
42:07
Speaker 2: It's always year in and year out. Bro.
42:09
Speaker 5: That's why it's like when you touch it and taste
42:11
Speaker 5: it and you get knocked out and guys like, oh,
42:13
Speaker 5: we'll be back, it's like, man, that is not how
42:15
Speaker 5: this year.
42:16
Speaker 1: And you know who had who broke that down just
42:18
Speaker 1: beautifully was Clay Matthews because his first year or second
42:21
Speaker 1: year they went, they won the Super Bowl, and every
42:23
Speaker 1: year it's like, we'll be back, we'll be back, And
42:25
Speaker 1: it's like, buddy, just because you taste it, like it's
42:27
Speaker 1: so hard.
42:28
Speaker 2: To get again.
42:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's almost better to be bad early because
42:32
Speaker 1: then you let you know, like then you make the
42:33
Speaker 1: playoffs and you're like, boys, we got a hold onto
42:35
Speaker 1: this feeling. This is incredible.
42:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that's like when
42:40
Speaker 3: when the Patriots were on their dynasty, it seemed like
42:42
Speaker 3: they were always cutting guys that had a great year
42:45
Speaker 3: of the year before, like a say, if Alexandeloni was
42:48
Speaker 3: on that team the Patriots, they always knew when to
42:51
Speaker 3: let the guy go, like they never held on to
42:53
Speaker 3: somebody for a year too long. And I feel like
42:56
Speaker 3: that's where the franchises make their next step, is like
43:00
Speaker 3: getting that part right.
43:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe that's a clean tank.
43:03
Speaker 1: It's good, that's a clean tank. It's just it's so
43:07
Speaker 1: hard to follow something with Tom Brady's your quarterback because
43:10
Speaker 1: he's elevating everybody around him, right, he's using I mean,
43:12
Speaker 1: how many white guys they go through. There's so many.
43:17
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember a couple of.
43:19
Speaker 5: Some of us think holding all makes us strong, but
43:21
Speaker 5: sometimes it is letting go. That's just a busting quote.
43:27
Speaker 5: You guys get on a Tuesday.
43:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, something nice. Yeah, rights, some of you might be
43:31
Speaker 1: in a little conflict right now. There you go.
43:33
Speaker 2: Take that you were going into an NFL transition in
43:36
Speaker 2: Logan Paul.
43:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking to I was so obviously Logan
43:39
Speaker 1: Paul is calling out no NFL. Uh, you know football
43:43
Speaker 1: player can beat me in boxing. I'll put a million
43:45
Speaker 1: dollars in the line. The name that kind of roast
43:47
Speaker 1: the cream that rose to the top was Miles Garrett.
43:51
Speaker 1: You put up the photos of Logan Paul, which, by
43:53
Speaker 1: the way, guy's got a nice build on him. But
43:54
Speaker 1: you put him next to a guy like Miles Garrett,
43:56
Speaker 1: it's like, oh shit, right, it's a freak show. I
43:59
Speaker 1: talked to a couple of people, so shout out Skipper Kelp.
44:01
Speaker 1: He's like a he professional boxer. At one point, Yes,
44:05
Speaker 1: Skipp's awesome, and I'm like, can you break this down
44:08
Speaker 1: for me a little bit? And he's telling me like,
44:10
Speaker 1: unless guys know how to box, like do it enough
44:13
Speaker 1: to where they understand the ins and outs. Did myself
44:16
Speaker 1: a little lesson for the first time this weekend, fucking
44:18
Speaker 1: so you kind of I don't know, shit, I realized, Oh,
44:21
Speaker 1: he's yeah, yeah, he's like, unless these guys understand how
44:28
Speaker 1: to move the body and when to punch and how
44:30
Speaker 1: to react to other people, like doesn't matter like, I'm
44:32
Speaker 1: one sixty five. I would be a guy that's like
44:35
Speaker 1: two fifties ass if he doesn't know how to box,
44:37
Speaker 1: because it's just such a different game. So that kind
44:40
Speaker 1: of makes me lean on Logan Paul, who's got who
44:42
Speaker 1: boxes all the time, whether people want to respect him
44:44
Speaker 1: or not respecting the guy knows how to box. From
44:46
Speaker 1: a base level, it's like he's probably right. But then
44:49
Speaker 1: you look at Miles Gartting, You're like, he could figure
44:51
Speaker 1: it out pretty fast.
44:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just see him like this, this is a
44:54
Speaker 5: massive alien, a massive three Yeah, but with the judges,
44:57
Speaker 5: you know, what was it? Three minute rounds?
45:00
Speaker 3: I think the issue too with Logan Paul coming out
45:02
Speaker 3: and saying that, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'd assume
45:05
Speaker 3: he's probably wouldn't pass a drug test that would get
45:08
Speaker 3: you eligible for boxing.
45:10
Speaker 1: Damn put that on him.
45:11
Speaker 2: I mean, wwe, it's hard.
45:13
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a fair assumption.
45:14
Speaker 5: You're, yeah, you're definitely doing things. We're not saying it's
45:17
Speaker 5: like a wrong thing.
45:17
Speaker 2: It's right and that.
45:19
Speaker 3: But that's what makes me mad when he does this thing.
45:21
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, you go out, you say this, I'll
45:23
Speaker 3: fight anybody for a million dollars and all these people
45:25
Speaker 3: say like, hey, we're ready, and then it comes back
45:27
Speaker 3: to you and all of a sudden, he's a I.
45:30
Speaker 2: Mean, it just is what it is.
45:31
Speaker 5: He's a brilliant marketer, right promoter. And because it all
45:34
Speaker 5: stemmed from basically Tom Brady calling him a bitch and
45:37
Speaker 5: that he's on the pod talking about I could whoop
45:39
Speaker 5: anybody in the NFL, which you think about the boxing game,
45:42
Speaker 5: muscle Sten to even o Cho Sinko break it down too.
45:44
Speaker 5: He's like, you know, it's like the stamina is just
45:46
Speaker 5: a different game. He's like, I'd be surprised any NFL
45:49
Speaker 5: player if you're not just regularly consistently boxing. I do
45:52
Speaker 5: think there are probably guys out there who do it
45:54
Speaker 5: that are just that's not like their name is in
45:56
Speaker 5: anything in the NFL. But he was like, I'd be surprised.
45:59
Speaker 5: You kind of get it. You kind of burn out
46:01
Speaker 5: quick quick in a minute. It's just a different game.
46:03
Speaker 5: And Logan's obviously he's good at that level, like he
46:06
Speaker 5: can do a variety of things. Dude is extremely athletic,
46:08
Speaker 5: that's extremely It's been funny watching him and Brady go
46:11
Speaker 5: back and forth on the you know, on the on
46:13
Speaker 5: the macro promoting the flag football. It's like you're building
46:17
Speaker 5: it up for the flag football game and everything else
46:20
Speaker 5: and yeas to stem from it. You kind of knew,
46:22
Speaker 5: Like I was not surprised. I was bummed because Le'Veon
46:24
Speaker 5: Bell and a couple guys, even our boy Deon Dawkins
46:27
Speaker 5: are schloody Deon Dawkins.
46:28
Speaker 1: Bloody Deon Dawkons kind of nice with the mits too.
46:31
Speaker 1: The little jab look good.
46:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's saying he would step in.
46:34
Speaker 1: And but here's the thing is if that, let's say
46:37
Speaker 1: that like Deon Dawkins and Logan Paul were like, all right,
46:39
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a fight the bills. Two seconds later,
46:42
Speaker 1: like you're not doing that fight? Yeah, not that will
46:45
Speaker 1: not happen. An active NFL player cannot do that.
46:48
Speaker 5: Saying similar to how the WW was with Logan Paul,
46:50
Speaker 5: and Logan might have known that was gonna be like again,
46:53
Speaker 5: Logan is very good at just again marketing promotion, like
46:57
Speaker 5: playing these games and bring a lot of attention to it,
46:59
Speaker 5: like creating a lot of that attention, And he could
47:02
Speaker 5: have known in the back of his mind, like even
47:03
Speaker 5: he had the call in the stream, I would not
47:05
Speaker 5: be surprised if he even set up that call, like
47:07
Speaker 5: him knowing already that he couldn't do it, and back,
47:09
Speaker 5: here's what I want you to do. I want you
47:10
Speaker 5: to call me while I'm on the stream and we'll
47:12
Speaker 5: kind of act, you know, we'll kind of have fun
47:14
Speaker 5: through it.
47:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, this dude is in the w you touched it already.
47:16
Speaker 1: But like you can have your opinion about the Paul brothers,
47:19
Speaker 1: you can't say that they're not the some of the
47:21
Speaker 1: greatest marketers in the entire world.
47:23
Speaker 3: All road lead to Jake versus Logan Paul boxing match.
47:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Jake, And I know, like we've kind
47:31
Speaker 1: of I talked to your year off about this on
47:33
Speaker 1: the phone the other day, Jared, I saw I'm at
47:34
Speaker 1: the airport when I'm just talking about Pokemon cards. But
47:37
Speaker 1: when I've like dubbed the Pokemon card thing, I went
47:39
Speaker 1: to these trading card places and they're like, Logan Paul
47:42
Speaker 1: is a huge reason why these all these cards are
47:45
Speaker 1: absolutely skyrocketing right now. Like he has like changed the game,
47:48
Speaker 1: but he's manipulating markets. That's how good of a marketer
47:52
Speaker 1: he is.
47:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said that he now and he's buying these
47:54
Speaker 6: Pokemon cards. He does not talk about it for a
47:56
Speaker 6: couple of months or like a year leading into it,
47:58
Speaker 6: so the market will go down and then he can
48:00
Speaker 6: get a better price on it, and then he'll start
48:02
Speaker 6: talking about it when it's time to sell his card,
48:04
Speaker 6: which is like Gene sounds sounds like.
48:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like there's not a lot of regulation
48:09
Speaker 5: on this game that he's.
48:11
Speaker 1: Logan Paul and be like, hey, what cards you buy him?
48:14
Speaker 1: Just on the low because about it.
48:17
Speaker 2: Without knowing anything legal.
48:20
Speaker 1: Any any Pokemon people watching this, Poncho Pikachu's.
48:28
Speaker 2: It's like a different variation of a Pikachu.
48:30
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, is Poncho Pikachu's Okay?
48:33
Speaker 2: I with Pikachu what he does, It's like, you know,
48:36
Speaker 2: he's a loyal dog.
48:37
Speaker 1: Hey, a loyal ass dog.
48:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
48:39
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first movie, the First Pokemon? Of
48:41
Speaker 1: course I cried, Okay, you talk about Mew and mewtwo. Yeah,
48:44
Speaker 1: when Ash gets turned into stone and Pikachu starts just
48:47
Speaker 1: electricating him over and over again. Yeah, buddy, full tears, yeah,
48:52
Speaker 1: full tiers. Yeah, watching that Pikachu is one of one,
48:56
Speaker 1: one of one? AnyWho?
48:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have loved to have seen it. Seemed
49:00
Speaker 5: like it was happening with Leveon Bell and Logan Paul.
49:03
Speaker 5: I would have loved to have seen it, just because
49:05
Speaker 5: I respect and appreciate that Le'Veon Bell was so just
49:09
Speaker 5: He's just about the action. Yeah, he's like he'll figure
49:11
Speaker 5: out whether or not. He's seeing it as an opportunity
49:13
Speaker 5: to get you know, you know wherever Le'Veon is with everything,
49:17
Speaker 5: it's like getting in, like being a part of the attention,
49:19
Speaker 5: like playing his game to get in there, like being
49:21
Speaker 5: vocal about it all, going back and forth with the
49:23
Speaker 5: beef on.
49:24
Speaker 1: I'm here for the entertainment. Yeah, yeah, I'm here for
49:27
Speaker 1: the theatrics. I would love to see Le'Veon Bell. Big
49:29
Speaker 1: fan of Leveon Yeah, big fan of his work. Very
49:32
Speaker 1: patient runner, very patient.
49:34
Speaker 5: Le'Veon Bell is my first player of the game in Nebraska.
49:36
Speaker 5: Just just toss the player of the game, defensive player
49:40
Speaker 5: of the game. Oh nice, they only did my coming
49:42
Speaker 5: out party really, just you know.
49:45
Speaker 1: Leon, he was a little too patient with you. A
49:47
Speaker 1: little too patient patient. Yeah, damn got his ass already.
49:53
Speaker 2: Did the beast.
49:54
Speaker 5: Mode break down, By the way, he messed up throwing
50:01
Speaker 5: that second clip in there. Whoever was whoever edited that
50:04
Speaker 5: clip throw me gas trying to chase old buddy on
50:07
Speaker 5: the sidelines.
50:08
Speaker 3: They added the audio like nobody was even around him.
50:12
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, there's been a couple of things
50:15
Speaker 1: that slidered you in the last week or so. Right,
50:17
Speaker 1: they busted with the boys social team, they killed you
50:20
Speaker 1: on your forty time and then you and Clay had
50:22
Speaker 1: to break all that down last week. Clay, I think
50:25
Speaker 1: started strong. We have stretched on the phone about like, hey,
50:27
Speaker 1: you started strong with that because I've been kind of
50:29
Speaker 1: a hater of the forty time for a long time
50:30
Speaker 1: as well, and you kind of you folded, you folded
50:33
Speaker 1: right in front of Willis. You know, I had to
50:35
Speaker 1: let him have it.
50:35
Speaker 2: I had to get Dob on the phone.
50:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I saw, but he doesn't know that like
50:40
Speaker 1: you Dobbs in your pocket.
50:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dob kind of speaking that professional.
50:45
Speaker 1: Like Dobs my boy. I love Dob. But Dobb is
50:47
Speaker 1: never gonna speak ill about will Compton.
50:49
Speaker 2: Ever, Well, he wouldn't lie, He wouldn't lie.
50:53
Speaker 1: He would like he wouldn't lie, but he like you've
50:56
Speaker 1: been listening advocate a little bit.
50:58
Speaker 2: No, he wouldn't. You've been around that, Kate A little
51:00
Speaker 2: bit that would bust my balls if I needed my balls.
51:03
Speaker 2: You need to bring me, bring me back down there.
51:06
Speaker 1: The hardest thing is just the it's the pro day,
51:09
Speaker 1: and then is it laser? Is it not laser? And
51:12
Speaker 1: then Will right now is to say, oh, buddy, it
51:14
Speaker 1: was laser. I understand that.
51:16
Speaker 2: There's nothing else I need to explain. Man A.
51:18
Speaker 3: Why do people believe Bo Jackson but they don't believe
51:20
Speaker 3: Will Compton?
51:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, man.
51:22
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of film we can look
51:24
Speaker 1: at to debunk what you just said.
51:27
Speaker 2: A lot of like which film are we talking about?
51:29
Speaker 1: Like Will Will in the Will in the intro last
51:32
Speaker 1: week goes uh testing time, I was phenomenal on field time.
51:36
Speaker 1: It didn't translate as much. Was that a correct statement?
51:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
51:40
Speaker 1: So you say, and the laser short like he doesn't
51:44
Speaker 1: have the bill to beef that fast? Will doesn't have
51:47
Speaker 1: that fast? Now this day right here, you pretty quick
51:50
Speaker 1: on the side the side, Look at that six six
51:56
Speaker 1: that's kind of nice.
51:59
Speaker 5: Just like every everything you're Yeah, I wasn't that great
52:02
Speaker 5: in the broad I was in the eights.
52:05
Speaker 1: You guys, I don't know what it is.
52:08
Speaker 2: I I got short, but yeah, a little dwarfs.
52:13
Speaker 5: My torso. My torso is longer than my lower body
52:17
Speaker 5: and my arms are short. So that's where that that
52:19
Speaker 5: look comes from. And look, Dobby even said it to
52:21
Speaker 5: like listen, I was surprised, Like I do nothing but
52:23
Speaker 5: surprise people. At the end of the day, I'm known
52:27
Speaker 5: as an overachiever. Then that I'll have to take that.
52:29
Speaker 5: I can't look at the back. Yeah, I look like
52:31
Speaker 5: a specimen. It's the Excel short. What I think you thought?
52:38
Speaker 3: It was probably tough and in that year maybe, yeah,
52:41
Speaker 3: I guess.
52:42
Speaker 1: I mean those things are below the knees.
52:45
Speaker 5: I like, even when I watched, I'm like, what the
52:47
Speaker 5: fun was?
52:48
Speaker 1: Why did I think that was hot? And then even
52:50
Speaker 1: the arm action, like he's you like swimming, He's got
52:52
Speaker 1: his hand like this what he's running. That's drag right there,
52:55
Speaker 1: that's drag. That's not that.
52:58
Speaker 2: My life are two built.
53:00
Speaker 1: I gotta go on from the side, like, hey, hey,
53:02
Speaker 1: this freeze frame. Though at torso looked nice. Tors look nice.
53:06
Speaker 2: It is a long torso.
53:07
Speaker 1: But if someone showed me this way, what do you
53:09
Speaker 1: think This cat ran like four nine one freeze fream.
53:13
Speaker 2: When I sat with agents.
53:14
Speaker 1: Your arms look insanely small right now.
53:17
Speaker 5: It was projected that I would run a four eighty five.
53:22
Speaker 2: Forty five.
53:23
Speaker 5: It was projected like when I sit down with the agents,
53:25
Speaker 5: when we're kind of.
53:25
Speaker 1: Looks like your hips are turning towards the scores.
53:27
Speaker 5: Right now, they're trying to wrap me. Yeah yeah, what
53:32
Speaker 5: did they know?
53:32
Speaker 1: What did they not? And the boy got zero neck?
53:38
Speaker 2: Zero arm length and neck was nineteen and a half.
53:41
Speaker 1: Oh bro, yeah I believe that.
53:44
Speaker 2: Now it's like who knows me and a half?
53:47
Speaker 1: Dude? My next neck?
53:49
Speaker 2: Right?
53:49
Speaker 5: My traps and everything are gone.
53:51
Speaker 1: It's you know, hey, it's about to be spring were springing?
53:55
Speaker 2: Yeah?
53:55
Speaker 1: You know what you need more than ever an account
53:58
Speaker 1: of bill of buddy, that's what you need right.
54:00
Speaker 2: Now, I do. I need some self discipline.
54:02
Speaker 1: It's time to get out of the solo workouts. Maybe
54:05
Speaker 1: find a trust me.
54:06
Speaker 2: I've gotten out of them. I haven't done that the workouts.
54:09
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
54:11
Speaker 5: Oh wait ahead of you, I've scrapped the solo workouts.
54:18
Speaker 1: Uh. Busting came out with a top ten most difficult
54:22
Speaker 1: statements of play at What was your opinion of this?
54:25
Speaker 1: Dog shit?
54:25
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a right comment.
54:29
Speaker 5: That I said, this is why people don't respect this,
54:30
Speaker 5: because we got idiots making graphics like this. I got
54:34
Speaker 5: a lot of attention, got a lot of engagement. We
54:37
Speaker 5: got some Rale quote tweeting it with the Gator because
54:40
Speaker 5: the swamps at the top.
54:42
Speaker 1: I haven't been to the swamp.
54:43
Speaker 2: Would Payton say about it? You guys said?
54:44
Speaker 3: Peyton did a video he made his own top ten
54:47
Speaker 3: stadiums and he yeah, he disagreed with with our list
54:51
Speaker 3: for sure.
54:52
Speaker 2: Disagree you ever one Nyland Nlan, I agree with Niland.
54:56
Speaker 1: I think LSU.
54:57
Speaker 3: College station in there.
54:59
Speaker 1: LSU's l s U at night is right there. Yeah,
55:03
Speaker 1: I think that was Penn State is loud.
55:06
Speaker 5: Pet has been to a lot of these spots where
55:09
Speaker 5: he's you know, he's got like I played.
55:10
Speaker 1: At Penn State.
55:11
Speaker 5: But it was literally the week the weekend of the
55:15
Speaker 5: San Dusky ship that came out, So it was a
55:16
Speaker 5: little weird.
55:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was a little awkward stadium.
55:23
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a rock and.
55:24
Speaker 5: Stay Ohio State hands on, guys, like we played Ohio
55:29
Speaker 5: State at night?
55:30
Speaker 2: Like that was loud. I would like, just again, I didn't.
55:33
Speaker 5: I didn't play in neland but I've been in a
55:34
Speaker 5: couple of games, that old Miss game from years ago
55:36
Speaker 5: when Kiffin came, Like that stadium was crazy, Bro, the
55:41
Speaker 5: loudest I've listened to Husky Stadium.
55:44
Speaker 2: Husky Stadium a lot about Husky Stadium.
55:47
Speaker 5: Played there very loud because they got the bleachers.
55:49
Speaker 1: It echoes the Northwest on that text, so they understand
55:53
Speaker 1: how that sound there, you know Seattle.
55:56
Speaker 5: So who's oh that's Pats graphic. Yeah, Husky Stadium I
55:59
Speaker 5: think is loud. Oregon when we went there for Ohio
56:02
Speaker 5: State was loud.
56:02
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is on like a consistent
56:04
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's four. It's just the only
56:06
Speaker 1: issue that Oregon has is fifty five thousand.
56:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, their buying is great though, like not very many s,
56:11
Speaker 3: not very many stadiums have students show up two hours
56:14
Speaker 3: before the game.
56:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, sitting there that students station was packed. That was sick.
56:21
Speaker 5: And again that could have been just because Ohio State
56:23
Speaker 5: was coming to town.
56:24
Speaker 1: Yeah I could have been because think about.
56:26
Speaker 5: It, when we were eating there that morning, like there
56:28
Speaker 5: was no traffic anywhere in the stadium.
56:31
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. So what about
56:37
Speaker 2: y'all Top ten Toughest places to play.
56:41
Speaker 3: Or experience.
56:43
Speaker 4: I go five and five each.
56:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I'm gonna start just saying names. This isn't
56:48
Speaker 5: a particular order, but Neeland is my one. Ohio State's
56:53
Speaker 5: up there from playing at it, Kyle Field, Texas A
56:55
Speaker 5: and M I think is loud.
57:00
Speaker 1: I wasn't as impressed with Kyle Field. I thought, like
57:03
Speaker 1: the chance, the pageantry, all that, like when we went
57:07
Speaker 1: to was it a m Notre Dame is what I'm
57:09
Speaker 1: thinking of, Like it was loud at times, but from
57:12
Speaker 1: a consistent loudness like Kneelan and Lsu are my top
57:14
Speaker 1: two that I've I've witnessed myself. Lud Yes, yeah, I
57:21
Speaker 1: would Husters. I wouldn't put in the top five, but
57:23
Speaker 1: I'm they're probably six.
57:25
Speaker 5: Like it gets loud, I obviously have them.
57:28
Speaker 1: We went to Nebraska Colorado. I thought that was loud.
57:32
Speaker 1: Ohio State is loud, Penn State is very loud. Oregon
57:39
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I want to go to a game
57:40
Speaker 1: in the swamp so bad. Every year I think we
57:42
Speaker 1: talk about it fall to It's like we gotta get
57:44
Speaker 1: to the swamp. We gotta get to the swamp. They
57:45
Speaker 1: got up. Yeah, yeah, where else have we been?
57:51
Speaker 4: You went to Norman.
57:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a Norman. I hear Norman's Electric.
57:57
Speaker 1: Norman Ish top ten horrest places to enjoy football game,
58:01
Speaker 1: that's gotta be it. That's got to be what it is.
58:05
Speaker 1: Probably one, probably one. As far as for me trying
58:08
Speaker 1: to enjoy a football game, No one would be my
58:09
Speaker 1: number one. Hardest place to enjoy a game. Tough place.
58:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was at the South Carolina game.
58:18
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Tennessee. I would they would definitely be up there.
58:21
Speaker 1: The amount of sandstorm that you all played was crazy
58:24
Speaker 1: that game, Like what three months off of an a
58:26
Speaker 1: cl surgery, just out there they're storming the field and
58:29
Speaker 1: some crutches like yeah all right, hell yeah boys.
58:32
Speaker 2: And this is nine. But Virginia Tech when we went
58:34
Speaker 2: to Virginia Tech was rocket nasty there.
58:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, before you come out, you're like in the locker
58:44
Speaker 5: room and you hear just everything kind of rattling and shaking.
58:46
Speaker 5: You hear the vibrations everything. The fans go nuts, hopefully.
58:50
Speaker 1: James Franklin, Yeah, Notre Dame. When I played at Notre Dame,
58:55
Speaker 1: I think it was my third year, and they had
58:58
Speaker 1: like this ladies singing some Irish song and they came out.
59:02
Speaker 1: It was green and gold and yellow on the lights.
59:05
Speaker 1: It was loud as shit.
59:07
Speaker 5: See, And that could be the difference of me thinking
59:10
Speaker 5: Kyle Field is really loud because we played there at
59:12
Speaker 5: night and I felt like it was rocking. But I
59:13
Speaker 5: feel you on these Oh you played that sidelin Yeah yeah, yeah,
59:16
Speaker 5: I'm sure, and it was loud, like witnessing being at
59:19
Speaker 5: Notre Dame games. To me, it just feels like a
59:21
Speaker 5: smaller Michigan to where it's really not that loud.
59:23
Speaker 1: Same architect that built Michigan. Yeah, yeah, now Michigan.
59:27
Speaker 2: Might be up there.
59:27
Speaker 1: Just from a intimidation standpoint. You walk in, you're like,
59:30
Speaker 1: oh my god, that it's not that loud. That it's
59:33
Speaker 1: not your right, boys, it's not that loud. But you
59:35
Speaker 1: walk in, you're like, oh shit, it's about to be
59:38
Speaker 1: a bit of a deal today. So maybe your boots
59:40
Speaker 1: are shaking while the national anthem's playing. I don't know,
59:43
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I think we White House Card.
59:49
Speaker 2: White House Card got it out.
59:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how do you feel about it? First
59:52
Speaker 1: initial thoughts? Just give me. I think it's a good card. Okay,
59:57
Speaker 1: you said everything you need to say by that one statement.
59:59
Speaker 5: I think it's a card. I think it's an awesome card.
1:00:02
Speaker 5: I think compared to where everything started with the White
1:00:04
Speaker 5: House hype coming out, yeah, I think it didn't come
1:00:07
Speaker 5: close to hitting what we thought the expectation might be.
1:00:09
Speaker 5: That's because but I think it's still a I think
1:00:11
Speaker 5: it's still like a good card.
1:00:12
Speaker 1: No John Jones, no Connor McGregor. I think everybody thought
1:00:14
Speaker 1: those are the two that were gonna be like kind
1:00:16
Speaker 1: of headlining this event.
1:00:17
Speaker 5: In Olympic wrestler Gabe Stevenson. Yeah, Gable Stevenson, he was
1:00:23
Speaker 5: gonna make he was apparently going to make his debut
1:00:25
Speaker 5: the White House on like the undercard, but it was
1:00:27
Speaker 5: just you know, stacked from top to bottom. Yeah, but
1:00:29
Speaker 5: it's still a good card.
1:00:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell.
1:00:32
Speaker 2: You what wrong.
1:00:33
Speaker 5: And knowing that the Eliot tapoora and uh is it yeah,
1:00:37
Speaker 5: mikeah CHEFV. Knowing that that fight fell through, that would
1:00:41
Speaker 5: have been awesome.
1:00:42
Speaker 1: Buddy. His walkout him and and Alex Peyra's walkouts are
1:00:47
Speaker 1: the two that I got like the most goosebumps on. Yeah,
1:00:49
Speaker 1: he comes out in the Spaniard Were you were you
1:00:52
Speaker 1: with me? JP? For which one? For Soli era. That
1:00:56
Speaker 1: had to be Jack then, Yeah, Jack and Jared. When
1:00:59
Speaker 1: he came out and we're sitting there and he looks down,
1:01:02
Speaker 1: he looks at the guy and the red blazer that's
1:01:04
Speaker 1: kind of there for security and gives him a wink,
1:01:06
Speaker 1: looks at Danny, just give him a head nog and
1:01:07
Speaker 1: the head nod, and then just murks ol of air
1:01:10
Speaker 1: in the first round like immediate master fan.
1:01:13
Speaker 2: Immediately it's gonna.
1:01:14
Speaker 1: Be a guy like an oar about him. We were like,
1:01:16
Speaker 1: this guy's a champion.
1:01:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I'm telling if Pereira beats Gone, then he's
1:01:22
Speaker 3: the goat of UFC.
1:01:23
Speaker 1: History over John Jones.
1:01:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean three titles, middleway, light heavyweight, heavyweight.
1:01:30
Speaker 5: Well, what's your feeling on the White House card?
1:01:32
Speaker 3: I think it's good. I think like a lot of
1:01:34
Speaker 3: people overreacted. They're like John Jones, Connor McGregor is not
1:01:37
Speaker 3: on it. Half of the UFC fans love to just
1:01:40
Speaker 3: hate on John Jones for half the year anyways, and
1:01:42
Speaker 3: then when he decides to fight, everybody.
1:01:44
Speaker 2: Wants to be his fan.
1:01:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:01:45
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, y'all criticize this man all year, then
1:01:49
Speaker 3: you act like you want to see him fight.
1:01:50
Speaker 2: So bad.
1:01:51
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor obviously would be hype, but to Pooria and Gaechee, like,
1:01:56
Speaker 3: they're at a way higher level than Connor McGregor right now. Yeah,
1:01:59
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like the nostalgia of McGregor fighting
1:02:03
Speaker 3: would be cool. But as far as quality, it's like
1:02:05
Speaker 3: all higher quality.
1:02:06
Speaker 1: I heard somebody talking about this, but it's like if
1:02:09
Speaker 1: the White White House Fighters already get you know, super
1:02:12
Speaker 1: Bowl type level of views because of the location, what's happening,
1:02:15
Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the birth of America.
1:02:18
Speaker 2: All those historically, it's going to.
1:02:20
Speaker 1: Be a historically like they're on the South Line, they're
1:02:22
Speaker 1: gonna have five thousand seats, and then on a different lawn,
1:02:25
Speaker 1: I must be the North lawn or something like that,
1:02:27
Speaker 1: like eighty hell anes, they're gonna have eighty thousand people watching, right.
1:02:32
Speaker 1: Like a bad idea, honestly, but given the climate, for sure,
1:02:37
Speaker 1: but things in cool down. We're still a far away,
1:02:39
Speaker 1: far enough away to maybe things are chill by that
1:02:41
Speaker 1: I will be doing my best to be there.
1:02:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, we might get there. Yeah.
1:02:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:02:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just smart, which is smart.
1:02:48
Speaker 8: Off topic, Alec Pierce, staying with the Colts four years,
1:02:51
Speaker 8: one hundred and twelve.
1:02:52
Speaker 2: Sixty Congratulators say that one hundred.
1:02:55
Speaker 4: And sixty million dollars four years.
1:02:57
Speaker 2: Congratulations, bad years.
1:03:02
Speaker 1: You see.
1:03:03
Speaker 5: McDuffie got a huge deal with the Rams too. He
1:03:05
Speaker 5: got like a four year was it over one hundred
1:03:07
Speaker 5: of the trade? Yeah from uh, can't city trade him.
1:03:10
Speaker 8: People talk about how the corners with the Chiefs go
1:03:13
Speaker 8: basically to develop and then they go somewhere else and
1:03:16
Speaker 8: just get their bag. Yeah, And I feel like he's
1:03:19
Speaker 8: just another when.
1:03:20
Speaker 5: A lot of guys do a free agency, Like you
1:03:21
Speaker 5: want to stay with the team forever, but if you
1:03:23
Speaker 5: feel like you're getting low ball from the team or
1:03:25
Speaker 5: you understand what your market could be, it's like, dude,
1:03:27
Speaker 5: you only get one shot to go out there and
1:03:28
Speaker 5: maximize your financial earnings.
1:03:30
Speaker 1: And it's different. Well yeah, but the chief the Chiefs
1:03:33
Speaker 1: and the Patriots. When Tom was at the Patriots, it
1:03:35
Speaker 1: was the same thing. Like they would get guys in,
1:03:37
Speaker 1: develop them, make them great, and then be like, hey,
1:03:38
Speaker 1: you have to take a home discount because we have Patrick
1:03:40
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Tom Brady. They're like, well, I'm not going
1:03:43
Speaker 1: to do that, and they go and head off and
1:03:44
Speaker 1: get paid.
1:03:47
Speaker 5: In the Yeah, but it was I was just gonna
1:03:49
Speaker 5: say the Rams always go from the standpoint of just
1:03:51
Speaker 5: they just trade their draft captain.
1:03:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I kind of like. I like that a lot.
1:03:56
Speaker 2: You got mcveigh's just stuff.
1:04:00
Speaker 3: Man.
1:04:00
Speaker 1: We got to get him on the bus. We were
1:04:02
Speaker 1: we talking about bus.
1:04:03
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the White House card, Yeah, that's gonna be electric.
1:04:07
Speaker 5: I think I feel like it's you know, it's it's
1:04:09
Speaker 5: the Internet. So they're obviously to overreact. And when you're
1:04:11
Speaker 5: thinking John Jones, Condor McGregor, who else you elluded, Oh,
1:04:16
Speaker 5: when Malcolm Jeff or Micah Jeff falls through. It's like
1:04:18
Speaker 5: when you feel like all these names are going to
1:04:20
Speaker 5: be on it and they're not on it, you're like, oh.
1:04:22
Speaker 2: This sucks. You told us this is the one we wanted.
1:04:25
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, we all want the greatest part.
1:04:28
Speaker 1: Go back to what I said was like, you have
1:04:29
Speaker 1: this massive fight on the White House, which regardless is
1:04:31
Speaker 1: gonna get massive views. The move would be to the
1:04:35
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. That's when you have the McGregor
1:04:37
Speaker 1: on or the jah Jones. If you're going to have
1:04:38
Speaker 1: those guys enter the UFC, because now you're double dipping
1:04:41
Speaker 1: on your view count.
1:04:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what Conda McGregor's out there, you know, when
1:04:44
Speaker 5: he was on Chale sonin Yeah Chill Son. When he's
1:04:49
Speaker 5: on his podcast talking through it, he's like, I'm never
1:04:52
Speaker 5: on the two hundred or three hundred or the sphear
1:04:55
Speaker 5: fight like you see me on like two oh one,
1:04:57
Speaker 5: three oh one, because those cards are gonna be huge
1:05:00
Speaker 5: and get the viewership and get the buys that they're
1:05:02
Speaker 5: going to get. You put me on like a two
1:05:04
Speaker 5: on one, three on one, because you're still going to
1:05:06
Speaker 5: double dip. You're still going to like at the end
1:05:08
Speaker 5: of the day, we're all cattle. Yeah, he's I mean,
1:05:10
Speaker 5: he's not wrong, but that's that's every sport. Yeah, that's
1:05:13
Speaker 5: every sport. You're a number or this or that. Yeah,
1:05:15
Speaker 5: Max Crosby's cattle, cattle, cattle, clean clean, Max Crosby Wago
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Speaker 5: beef wag be roam in the field.
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Speaker 2: For those of you.
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Speaker 1: That weren't savvy to this, we had ourselves in merch competition.
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Speaker 2: Yes, some housekeeping.
1:05:35
Speaker 1: Housekeeping fans were given the opportunity to create their own
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Speaker 1: merch send it into busting with the boys. The boys
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Speaker 1: then said, okay, these are our top ten favorite, top
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Speaker 1: five favorites put it out there, and then whoever sold
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Speaker 1: the most merch will get how much money will come.
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Speaker 5: To three thousand dollars for the first place.
1:05:53
Speaker 1: Thousand dollars for first place. In this envelope, This true
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Speaker 1: classic envelope is the winner of the Merch contest.
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Speaker 2: Top three, right, we're doing the top three. Sure, I
1:06:04
Speaker 2: believe so. I did not see what Germ handed y'all,
1:06:06
Speaker 2: but I bet he put top three.
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Speaker 1: I bet he put top three. First place.
1:06:10
Speaker 5: From the amount of bias he has three thousand and
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Speaker 5: second place, two thousand and third place one thousand dollars.
1:06:14
Speaker 5: To the fans who created this merch.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hand you that envelope. You can do the honors.
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Speaker 2: Hey, here we go. See.
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Speaker 1: Oh shit, you got all three? Got all three?
1:06:23
Speaker 5: I just want to know if you open up pretty fast, okay.
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Speaker 5: Coming in third place of the Merch design contest is
1:06:31
Speaker 5: the Tunnel of KOs shirt.
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Speaker 1: Tunnel of KOs.
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Speaker 5: One thousand dollars to that creator. Uh second place, the
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Speaker 5: Magic school Bus shirt.
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Speaker 1: That one went hard. It was a big fan of
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Speaker 1: that one.
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Speaker 5: In the first place drum roll is the PT six
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Speaker 5: No One Is Coming to Save You shirt. Yeah, that
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Speaker 5: designer will be getting three thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: We'll have our people get with your people.
1:07:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll figure it out. Jeremy Clump, you have to
1:07:01
Speaker 1: figure that out. Yeah. If it takes a long time,
1:07:04
Speaker 1: just know Will Comms and I did nothing. It's all
1:07:07
Speaker 1: on Clump.
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Speaker 2: That's all four Yeah.
1:07:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, tag too.
1:07:12
Speaker 5: If you're trying to talk to somebody directly, it's the
1:07:14
Speaker 5: nutty professor profile Jeremy Clump.
1:07:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is correct.
1:07:19
Speaker 5: This is Jeremy Clump. That's the guy who kind of
1:07:21
Speaker 5: handles our stuff.
1:07:22
Speaker 1: Is there anything else? You boys? We got anything else?
1:07:26
Speaker 2: Luke Combs was phenomenal, amazing forgot to say at the.
1:07:29
Speaker 5: Top, Luke Combs. This interview with Luke Combs phenomenon.
1:07:33
Speaker 1: No, if you're an Appalachia State fan, you're gonna love
1:07:35
Speaker 1: this one.
1:07:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Brandon Spike story.
1:07:37
Speaker 5: We have to get Brandon Spikes on the bus YEP.
1:07:40
Speaker 1: That must be happening soon. Also a tunnel of chaos
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Speaker 1: of blog.
1:07:43
Speaker 5: When does that come out?
1:07:46
Speaker 1: Matt Malone at Matt Malone needs to come out in
1:07:49
Speaker 1: the next forty eight hours.
1:07:52
Speaker 5: So Matt Malone is the one editing. I know he
1:07:54
Speaker 5: was he was out there doing all the content.
1:07:55
Speaker 2: He's the one editing.
1:07:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's ending along with the boys.
1:07:58
Speaker 1: He said that a lot of fells are gona help
1:07:59
Speaker 1: him out. Yeah, kind of his first get him right,
1:08:02
Speaker 1: his first swing at it. A lot of fun content
1:08:04
Speaker 1: in there, a lot of this is a this is
1:08:06
Speaker 1: a different one too. Well. Yeah, got scary for a second,
1:08:12
Speaker 1: got scary. I'll tell you. I'll say this. I'll say this.
1:08:15
Speaker 1: My credit line at Red Rock is five hundred thousand dollars.
1:08:18
Speaker 1: At one point, I was one better way from being
1:08:21
Speaker 1: maxed out of my credit line. The blog will be
1:08:24
Speaker 1: out forty eight hours.
1:08:25
Speaker 2: How was Matt's vibe? Like, what was the vibe?
1:08:27
Speaker 1: That was good? Nervous energy, like you could just tell
1:08:29
Speaker 1: he really wanted to do well. He had the he
1:08:32
Speaker 1: had the rookie mentality, like anything I can do, I'm
1:08:34
Speaker 1: going to do. There was a few times where in
1:08:36
Speaker 1: my brain I'm like, hey, did you grab his Like No,
1:08:39
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm thinking Jack, I should have told you Jack.
1:08:43
Speaker 1: Jack would have known to do that, Jared would have
1:08:45
Speaker 1: known to do that because he hasn't been around it
1:08:46
Speaker 1: a few times. But I think overall, the boy crushed it.
1:08:49
Speaker 1: I think he had his camera out. He's have to
1:08:52
Speaker 1: go through a lot of stuff.
1:08:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, like twelve hours total.
1:08:58
Speaker 1: Buddy, he was. I'm like, hey, you got a film
1:09:00
Speaker 1: this part. We're kind of just walking somewhere right now,
1:09:03
Speaker 1: like it was, but hey, he was on it. He
1:09:06
Speaker 1: like truly, you could tell that Matt wanted, like more
1:09:08
Speaker 1: than anything, wants to do well and that is the
1:09:11
Speaker 1: biggest thing. So it's almost like these clips what you're
1:09:14
Speaker 1: about to put out, everything, everything, everything, like this is
1:09:17
Speaker 1: your judgment day essentially, like can you take the next step?
1:09:20
Speaker 1: Can you make a bluck?
1:09:21
Speaker 2: You got your.
1:09:22
Speaker 5: Phono with Mark Zuckerberg, but can you so this Mark
1:09:27
Speaker 5: Zuckerberg picture?
1:09:28
Speaker 1: I went up, who was I talking to before? Hunter Campbell?
1:09:32
Speaker 2: Hunter Campbell?
1:09:33
Speaker 1: Dude, the fucking man rapp him up? Uh, we were
1:09:38
Speaker 1: talking for a second, turn around and Matt's on Zuck,
1:09:42
Speaker 1: Hey can I get a photo real quick? Just real fast?
1:09:44
Speaker 1: Like I walked past him and he came. He goes,
1:09:47
Speaker 1: I had to get it. I had to get that one. Yeah, whatever,
1:09:51
Speaker 1: whatever you gotta do. Yeah.
1:09:53
Speaker 5: I want to say, that's so funny that you tell
1:09:55
Speaker 5: that story, because I'm overhearing conversation on their side of
1:09:59
Speaker 5: the shop, and I just hear Matt. I think I
1:10:02
Speaker 5: heard like Derek asking like you did you feel like
1:10:04
Speaker 5: were you getting starstruking? No, I don't really get starstruck
1:10:06
Speaker 5: by guys like that.
1:10:07
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah? Yeah?
1:10:10
Speaker 5: Like Tom Brady, Like Tom was cool to me, but
1:10:12
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, let's talk business. And I just yelled from
1:10:14
Speaker 5: the shooter, Matt, shut the fuck up.
1:10:16
Speaker 1: Hey, Tom was awesome. Tom was talking to Dan that
1:10:19
Speaker 1: turns around. He said, well he dat me up. What's
1:10:22
Speaker 1: up Taylor? I was like, oh shit, you remember you
1:10:24
Speaker 1: remember the cross?
1:10:26
Speaker 2: What's up?
1:10:26
Speaker 1: Shit? Talked about broadcasting, talked about a bunch of stuff, dude,
1:10:29
Speaker 1: and I had. I was like, bro, we got to
1:10:31
Speaker 1: get you on Bust with the Boys. And I goes,
1:10:33
Speaker 1: I would love to come on your show.
1:10:35
Speaker 2: So we need him.
1:10:37
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's on the clock, by the way. More handsome
1:10:39
Speaker 1: in person, yea, more handsome in person. Boys, he's got
1:10:42
Speaker 1: the sauce. He's got the sauce. He was wearing these
1:10:44
Speaker 1: glasses and I was just like, buddy, I get it.
1:10:47
Speaker 1: I understand.
1:10:48
Speaker 5: You should have hit him with Matt Fillman from a
1:10:50
Speaker 5: couple of rows back, and you just do the leaning
1:10:52
Speaker 5: where you put your hand on his back and whisper
1:10:54
Speaker 5: up in his ear like that one gal did what's
1:10:57
Speaker 5: her name?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't have enough time to asking about it.
1:11:05
Speaker 2: Save it for the Electric.
1:11:09
Speaker 1: He's got to come on, he's got to come on.
1:11:10
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the go michid Man. Yeah, gotta get
1:11:13
Speaker 1: him on.
1:11:15
Speaker 5: Ask him about the raider stuff, like, just point blank,
1:11:17
Speaker 5: are you sucking it up in there?
1:11:18
Speaker 2: Bro?
1:11:18
Speaker 1: Bro? Yeah? Give him his side of the story. You
1:11:21
Speaker 1: hate Max Crosby? Yeah, what's the.
1:11:24
Speaker 2: Why'd you do that?
1:11:25
Speaker 1: Don't you guys be boys? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, definitely a real is kind of wild because
1:14:04
Speaker 1: if you think about it what happened or rolling right now.
1:14:08
Speaker 1: I kind of love the idea of believing that concussions
1:14:11
Speaker 1: don't exist. Like I am like I've.
1:14:15
Speaker 2: We're starting off.
1:14:16
Speaker 1: This is where my brain is. You don't have to
1:14:18
Speaker 1: coasent on any of this.
1:14:19
Speaker 2: I think science is fake. Is also.
1:14:25
Speaker 1: Just the thought process of ignorance is bliss. Like think
1:14:29
Speaker 1: about in high school when you're like starting to train,
1:14:32
Speaker 1: you're learning about lifting, You're learning about like oh if
1:14:35
Speaker 1: I eat more protein, I'll get bigger, stronger, faster, and
1:14:38
Speaker 1: then you go to ChFC. Also science. So basically what
1:14:42
Speaker 1: I'm saying is there's levels to science in my brain,
1:14:45
Speaker 1: Like there's like how far into science do I want
1:14:47
Speaker 1: to get before I'm like that's the cutoff. That's it.
1:14:49
Speaker 1: I'm done. Because if I just think if I was
1:14:52
Speaker 1: still living in the the high school world of like
1:14:54
Speaker 1: KFC McDonald's subway, I'd be kind of living nice.
1:15:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like in your mind that would like
1:15:02
Speaker 2: good food.
1:15:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, thinking about gluten micro plastics e MF
1:15:07
Speaker 1: is the San Francisco forty nine ers facility? Is it
1:15:09
Speaker 1: plagued with like five G whatever that poem is, Yeah,
1:15:13
Speaker 1: And it's like how much just do you want to
1:15:15
Speaker 1: cause the life. So that brings me back to concussions,
1:15:16
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, hey, maybe if a player thinks
1:15:19
Speaker 1: they don't exist, that's amazing. It's like, yeah, Poko was
1:15:22
Speaker 1: talking about it.
1:15:26
Speaker 5: The psychopath in you as a football player listens to that,
1:15:29
Speaker 5: and you're like, he gets it. This guy gets yep,
1:15:34
Speaker 5: just the world, Yeah, just the world, team guy, team guy,
1:15:37
Speaker 5: glue guy.
1:15:38
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
1:15:38
Speaker 1: It's like you're having an argument on the playground and
1:15:41
Speaker 1: Pookinakul hits you with concussions don't exist, and him like
1:15:44
Speaker 1: giving that Kurtzignetti, Yeah, you you're on it, brother, Well
1:15:48
Speaker 1: you figured out the game.
1:15:49
Speaker 5: Or like Pooko would it would be a dude, like
1:15:51
Speaker 5: if your teammate goes down and he's concussed and they're
1:15:53
Speaker 5: kind of treating him and looking at him. If Pooka
1:15:55
Speaker 5: were to say to me, hey, dude, concussions don't exist.
1:15:57
Speaker 5: We're on the same page.
1:16:01
Speaker 1: We run this and then quietly talked about that individual,
1:16:04
Speaker 1: it wasn't that hard of me. Yeah, I mean, you
1:16:06
Speaker 1: remember playing high school ball, like guys would get hurt
1:16:08
Speaker 1: and you kind of get with your boys. But is
1:16:10
Speaker 1: he really hurt right real?
1:16:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, definitely, but then you realize quickly
1:16:16
Speaker 2: that it was You're like, yeah, that was probably real.
1:16:21
Speaker 2: You know, my shoulder.
1:16:22
Speaker 1: Sucks now, like you didn't even play good.
1:16:25
Speaker 2: I wasn't even good and I'm still injured from the Yeah,
1:16:29
Speaker 2: so I'd say some of it, you know, concussions. We'll
1:16:32
Speaker 2: see Jerry still.
1:16:32
Speaker 1: Out, my senior, Jerry is still at a concussions.
1:16:35
Speaker 2: We don't know, we can we can't be too sure.
1:16:37
Speaker 2: We can't be because we're not scientist or no, yeah,
1:16:40
Speaker 2: someone is certainly sure of it.
1:16:41
Speaker 1: I have a general studies degree. I am not equipped
1:16:43
Speaker 1: to tell people whether or not concussions.
1:16:45
Speaker 2: I don't even have a degree, dude, boom. So basically
1:16:48
Speaker 2: the same we got the same thing.
1:16:50
Speaker 1: So if anything comes out of it's Luke Combs doesn't
1:16:52
Speaker 1: believe in concussions. Luke Combs doesn't mean you need education.
1:16:54
Speaker 1: You don't need an education to be successful in life.
1:16:57
Speaker 2: I would say that's scientifically proven that you don't mean
1:17:00
Speaker 2: that one is scientifically You don't necessarily come.
1:17:03
Speaker 5: Out and just say you're going to donate your brain
1:17:04
Speaker 5: after you go to see if you have any form
1:17:06
Speaker 5: of CT.
1:17:07
Speaker 2: And they're like, man, this guy was a real idiot.
1:17:08
Speaker 2: How did he make it? You know? Yeah, well guess
1:17:10
Speaker 2: we'll never know.
1:17:12
Speaker 5: Before just an article these guys laughing about brain damage. Yeah,
1:17:15
Speaker 5: certain yeah, certainly, that's just guys having fun.
1:17:18
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
1:17:20
Speaker 1: But to keep it on savagery of football. Well, we
1:17:22
Speaker 1: met for the first time. It was a tight Ends
1:17:24
Speaker 1: and friends. Am I correct saying that tight you tighten you?
1:17:28
Speaker 1: But they did ten. Yeah, it was called tight Ends
1:17:30
Speaker 1: and where they did all the music stuff. You came in.
1:17:33
Speaker 1: It was like three bros hanging out that I haven't
1:17:34
Speaker 1: seen each other in a long time. Yes, and you
1:17:36
Speaker 1: started going through football growing up and playing against Brandon Spikes.
1:17:42
Speaker 2: Well playing that's a bit of an overstatement, okay, all right,
1:17:46
Speaker 2: watching What kind of motor did you have when you
1:17:48
Speaker 2: were in high school? Not one.
1:17:53
Speaker 1: Cylinder out there?
1:17:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like I was like a like a
1:17:56
Speaker 2: nice like subcompact. Okay, you know, an oversized body, you know,
1:18:03
Speaker 2: the motor of a Kia, the body of like a
1:18:06
Speaker 2: larger minivan. You know, you were the dude who you
1:18:10
Speaker 2: just wanted to go stand by during practice and hear
1:18:12
Speaker 2: some good jokes. I literally had a coach that my
1:18:15
Speaker 2: nickname was jokes. Was my nicknames probably not the nickname
1:18:19
Speaker 2: you want on the football team, no doubt. Yeah. My
1:18:22
Speaker 2: nickname wasn't like blade. You know that's indicative of what
1:18:27
Speaker 2: we'll stand by. Jokes. You're like, yeah, you're gonna struggle
1:18:30
Speaker 2: making this football team. Yeah, yeah, yeah I did. I
1:18:33
Speaker 2: did struggle to make the team. But I did, you know,
1:18:35
Speaker 2: I was there. It was around what was the high school. Yeah,
1:18:39
Speaker 2: walk us through some high school football experience. In high
1:18:41
Speaker 2: school football stories, a lot of I was on the
1:18:44
Speaker 2: ship list a lot that was the I had a
1:18:47
Speaker 2: coach named Keyes Hour. He played on the Miami Dolphins
1:18:50
Speaker 2: back in the day. It was a defensive end and
1:18:52
Speaker 2: he was like probably he might have been in his
1:18:54
Speaker 2: seventies then, and he was like, I mean he was
1:18:57
Speaker 2: like spitting dip spit on your hands, like when you
1:19:00
Speaker 2: were down in the you know what I mean. Like
1:19:02
Speaker 2: he was that guy like he was there was no concussions, definitely.
1:19:07
Speaker 9: Guy.
1:19:07
Speaker 2: Yeahs were certainly not real to Key's Hour. Awesome guy though.
1:19:13
Speaker 2: But I would always I was singing a lot in
1:19:16
Speaker 2: high school too, man, So I would miss like I
1:19:18
Speaker 2: would miss practice for like chorus ship and the next
1:19:21
Speaker 2: day I would come back, He's like, well, Combs, you're
1:19:22
Speaker 2: on my ship list. And he would just tell me that.
1:19:25
Speaker 2: He would just tell me that, and I was like, well, okay,
1:19:27
Speaker 2: I could I could see that when he say stuff
1:19:30
Speaker 2: like just mad that, hey, you're missing practice required basically. Yeah. Yeah,
1:19:34
Speaker 2: there was no uh, there wasn't any slurs flying around,
1:19:36
Speaker 2: but it was close. You know, we alreded the line
1:19:40
Speaker 2: of some slurs flying around. I would imagine. Now you
1:19:42
Speaker 2: sit there and you're like, I really proved that motherfucker wrong. Yeah.
1:19:45
Speaker 2: He's a nice guy though. I mean at the time,
1:19:48
Speaker 2: I can understand it, you know what I mean, He's
1:19:50
Speaker 2: you're trying to shape young men. Yeah, you know what
1:19:53
Speaker 2: I mean. Like he probably thinks I'm cool now though, yeah,
1:19:56
Speaker 2: you know, but I wasn't. I wasn't very cool back then.
1:20:00
Speaker 2: For sure. Super weak guy for my size relative to
1:20:05
Speaker 2: my size. So that was always great. That always helped
1:20:08
Speaker 2: a lot and practice. You know, it wasn't exactly if
1:20:11
Speaker 2: you could tell wasn't really dialed into the weight room
1:20:15
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't my
1:20:19
Speaker 2: happy places double seven, okay, And I was hoping we
1:20:27
Speaker 2: would get into this on the way over here, because
1:20:29
Speaker 2: I was thinking about I should have played O line.
1:20:33
Speaker 2: It was my destiny.
1:20:35
Speaker 1: You know.
1:20:35
Speaker 2: Obviously don't have the size to be in the league
1:20:38
Speaker 2: by any stretch of the imagination, but I think I
1:20:40
Speaker 2: would have been good at it. But I was obsessed
1:20:42
Speaker 2: with playing D line because I just wanted to tackle people.
1:20:45
Speaker 2: That was like, I didn't want to have any like
1:20:47
Speaker 2: rules and regulations on how to hit someone.
1:20:50
Speaker 1: Fundamentals were beneath you.
1:20:52
Speaker 2: I just wanted to hit people. That was. That was.
1:20:54
Speaker 2: It was a good way of doing that, you know.
1:20:57
Speaker 2: But I remember we go through my entire high school
1:20:59
Speaker 2: career of my co coaches trying to talk me into
1:21:02
Speaker 2: playing offensive line, and I was like, I'm not doing this,
1:21:04
Speaker 2: not aggressive enough for me, even though I wasn't aggressive
1:21:09
Speaker 2: at all. Really in my mind, I was a highly
1:21:11
Speaker 2: I did tell you. I'm like, bro, listen, you can't
1:21:15
Speaker 2: put a leash on a on a rabbit dog.
1:21:17
Speaker 1: Dude.
1:21:17
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, I'm gonna get I'm getting somebody on this,
1:21:20
Speaker 2: you know, Like I'm running down the wide receiver screen
1:21:23
Speaker 2: from the nose guard position. In my mind, you know,
1:21:27
Speaker 2: So I remember we have this big like it's the
1:21:29
Speaker 2: last week of like my senior year, We're just like
1:21:31
Speaker 2: getting ready to go into the playoffs, and we had
1:21:35
Speaker 2: an entire teams like we're gonna do an entire team
1:21:37
Speaker 2: like one on one Oklahoma tournament, like O line, D line,
1:21:43
Speaker 2: but everybody on the team, every position like and I
1:21:47
Speaker 2: ended up winning the whole thing, and my coaches were
1:21:50
Speaker 2: so pissed at the end, and they were like, you,
1:21:54
Speaker 2: son of a bitch, like you should have played offensive line.
1:21:56
Speaker 2: I told you this whole time, We told you to
1:21:59
Speaker 2: play offensive wine. And I was like, yeah, yeah, that's
1:22:02
Speaker 2: one of my bigger regrets. I wish I would have
1:22:04
Speaker 2: played offensive line, to be quite honest, because now it's
1:22:07
Speaker 2: like an art form now. I'm like, damn, yeah, I
1:22:10
Speaker 2: just didn't have the vision then, man, And not that
1:22:13
Speaker 2: it would have mattered. I just would have I'd be
1:22:15
Speaker 2: in the same place now, just with more concussions that
1:22:17
Speaker 2: would be.
1:22:19
Speaker 3: More.
1:22:23
Speaker 1: When you were in high school, were you as logical
1:22:25
Speaker 1: as you are sitting here being like this was a
1:22:27
Speaker 1: dead end road for me, or were you even in
1:22:28
Speaker 1: high school, like maybe I could be the one.
1:22:33
Speaker 2: I didn't have. I didn't have any any delusions of
1:22:36
Speaker 2: like ending up where I'm at now, or like being
1:22:38
Speaker 2: a football player or anything. I was just like, I'm
1:22:40
Speaker 2: gonna be just like some boring ass dude, probably, which
1:22:43
Speaker 2: was like because everybody kind of just was you know,
1:22:46
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just thought that's how the world
1:22:48
Speaker 2: worked at yeah point, Like my parents, you know, my
1:22:50
Speaker 2: dad was a maintenance man, my mom worked at the bank.
1:22:52
Speaker 2: You know, like nobody's a superstar onmy brothers or sisters.
1:22:56
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm just well, I guess you just
1:22:58
Speaker 2: you go to school and then you go to college,
1:22:59
Speaker 2: and then you get a job, and then you hate
1:23:02
Speaker 2: that for thirty years or so, and then you're good.
1:23:04
Speaker 2: You know. It's kind of what I thought happened. I
1:23:06
Speaker 2: don't know, it's like, I mean, not that my parents
1:23:08
Speaker 2: didn't push me to do whatever I want wanted, you know,
1:23:11
Speaker 2: and like chase my dreams or whatever. But I didn't
1:23:13
Speaker 2: really even have any dreams at that time other than
1:23:16
Speaker 2: just like to keep the party going. You know, let's
1:23:19
Speaker 2: just go to college to just because that's what you do. Yeah,
1:23:22
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't like, man, i'd be like a
1:23:24
Speaker 2: pipe welder, you know. I didn't have like this thing.
1:23:26
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to do.
1:23:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't have a y, you didn't have a
1:23:28
Speaker 1: like this I want to go in life.
1:23:30
Speaker 2: No, it's just like how do I get women to
1:23:34
Speaker 2: not think that I'm three hundred pounds? You know what
1:23:36
Speaker 2: I mean? Winter helped, you know what I mean, large coats,
1:23:40
Speaker 2: things of that nature were very helpful in that endeavor.
1:23:43
Speaker 1: There's like those big north faced jackets mean you can
1:23:45
Speaker 1: hide a lot.
1:23:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, end state dude winters longer there, Yeah, a lot
1:23:49
Speaker 2: more winter time. And in Boone, North Carolina.
1:23:51
Speaker 1: When you guys are looking for where they're going to
1:23:52
Speaker 1: go to college, they're thinking about best education.
1:23:55
Speaker 2: You're thinking where can I I'm thinking where can I hide?
1:23:59
Speaker 1: This is crazy?
1:24:08
Speaker 2: Were the high school team? Yeah, he was three years
1:24:11
Speaker 2: younger than me, so his freshman year was my senior year,
1:24:15
Speaker 2: and he was like the emergency quarterback, so he like
1:24:18
Speaker 2: started for the JB team, but he would dress on Fridays.
1:24:23
Speaker 1: What was he like in high school?
1:24:25
Speaker 2: I mean he wasn't as as like outlandish as he
1:24:30
Speaker 2: is now, and a good I mean that in a
1:24:31
Speaker 2: good way, you know what I mean. Like he's great.
1:24:33
Speaker 2: I mean I love Caleb. He's so funny and he
1:24:35
Speaker 2: was funny then, but he was more like clean cut,
1:24:37
Speaker 2: like more kind of like stereotypical, like high school quarterback
1:24:42
Speaker 2: guy at that time, you know what I mean. He
1:24:44
Speaker 2: wasn't like outwardly being as funny as he is now.
1:24:48
Speaker 2: But I mean some of that we I mean, we
1:24:49
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time hanging out. I played as
1:24:51
Speaker 2: much as he did, which was not so we spent
1:24:55
Speaker 2: a lot of time together on the sidelines. We did
1:24:58
Speaker 2: sling the rock. Yeah he could throw, for sure, but
1:25:01
Speaker 2: at that time, you're like this, it probably stinks, dude.
1:25:03
Speaker 2: You don't know. I don't know, like you know, I mean,
1:25:06
Speaker 2: I was, and I'm like, this guy must be as
1:25:07
Speaker 2: good as me, which is not good, you know. And
1:25:10
Speaker 2: then he goes on to winnes State championship and all
1:25:12
Speaker 2: that stuff after I'm gone. But no, so he Chased
1:25:17
Speaker 2: was four years older than me, so he graduated when
1:25:20
Speaker 2: I was in eighth grade. But he was the guy
1:25:22
Speaker 2: they brought down to the middle school and they were like,
1:25:26
Speaker 2: look this fucking guy. Pretty good looking, dude, right, you
1:25:30
Speaker 2: could be this guy if you played football. He was
1:25:32
Speaker 2: like the like he was like the marketing tool to
1:25:35
Speaker 2: get me to get concussions for nothing. Sacrifice your mind
1:25:41
Speaker 2: for the betterment of the program. You know, you'll get
1:25:43
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing for it. And then Ben Johnson, Dude, Ben
1:25:50
Speaker 2: Johnson Acey Rends High school played with Chase Rice. They're
1:25:53
Speaker 2: on the same team head coach of the Bears. Ben
1:25:57
Speaker 2: was the quarterback Chase.
1:25:59
Speaker 1: Where are we from town?
1:26:00
Speaker 2: It's near like a nuclear it's Asheville, North Carolina. Rico
1:26:09
Speaker 2: Dowdell also went to our high school. No ship, yeah,
1:26:15
Speaker 2: kind of.
1:26:15
Speaker 9: I think Rico is around his third year, yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:26:21
Speaker 9: you know, but I think Rico is probably I'm not
1:26:24
Speaker 9: exactly sure what year he graduated, but I would imagine
1:26:26
Speaker 9: him and Caleb were around each other at least at
1:26:29
Speaker 9: the same time.
1:26:30
Speaker 2: I don't know that they were. I don't think they
1:26:31
Speaker 2: were on the same team, but I think Rico would
1:26:35
Speaker 2: have maybe been like a freshman. Cable was a senior
1:26:37
Speaker 2: or just graduated somewhere in that neighborhood. So star power
1:26:40
Speaker 2: coming out of that area, weirdly enough, Yeah, and all
1:26:42
Speaker 2: like in a really small window of time, you know,
1:26:45
Speaker 2: because we didn't have anybody cool what everyone in our
1:26:47
Speaker 2: high school? Ever, how how far away was Brandon Spikes
1:26:52
Speaker 2: that there was probably like an hour and a half away,
1:26:55
Speaker 2: like down the mountain from what. We didn't play them regularly.
1:26:58
Speaker 2: We played them in the playoffs one time, so you
1:27:00
Speaker 2: got to waitness that man on the field. Yeah, it
1:27:02
Speaker 2: was terrifying. He looked as old as he does now
1:27:05
Speaker 2: at eighteen or allegedly eighteen at the time, like full beard,
1:27:10
Speaker 2: full dreads. Dude, Like it's terrifying. He walks out and
1:27:14
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, that guy's like, that guy's on the team,
1:27:17
Speaker 2: got it. Yeah, it's not the strength, cool man, I'm
1:27:20
Speaker 2: glad that that guy's playing against us.
1:27:23
Speaker 5: How are your coaches trying to fire you up when
1:27:25
Speaker 5: playing against a Specsmen, they weren't.
1:27:28
Speaker 2: Trying to fire me up. I'm telling you that they
1:27:29
Speaker 2: were not concerned about what I had going on. They
1:27:32
Speaker 2: were I think aware of like I mean at that time,
1:27:35
Speaker 2: he was already committed to Florida at that time, and
1:27:39
Speaker 2: you know, he's like a five star linebacker at that time.
1:27:42
Speaker 2: And for good reason, you know, because you're thinking this
1:27:44
Speaker 2: whole build up, you're doing the whole week of oh,
1:27:47
Speaker 2: we're playing this guy, this and that. That was a
1:27:49
Speaker 2: great team. They're always a good team. Shelby's I think
1:27:52
Speaker 2: he was on Shelby Crest. There's two high schools from there,
1:27:54
Speaker 2: both always really good. And he comes out and we
1:27:58
Speaker 2: had a we had a really good running back that year,
1:28:01
Speaker 2: and he was I think he was going to Western
1:28:04
Speaker 2: Carolina like and so we're like, this guy's like the
1:28:06
Speaker 2: best guy ever. Dude, he's the best running back ever.
1:28:09
Speaker 2: And so our coach is like, we're running fucking straight
1:28:11
Speaker 2: at this dude, first play and set the tone.
1:28:16
Speaker 1: The boys juiced up.
1:28:17
Speaker 2: Set the tone, dude, let's physical, let's go right. That's
1:28:21
Speaker 2: not scurting around it, you know what I mean? And boy,
1:28:24
Speaker 2: did that guy that went horribly wrong and set did
1:28:26
Speaker 2: set the tone for the game, but not in the
1:28:28
Speaker 2: way that we had hoped. He's i mean, absolutely annihilated
1:28:32
Speaker 2: our running back who also had dreads. He gets down
1:28:37
Speaker 2: over top of him after destroying him for like a
1:28:40
Speaker 2: two yard loss. After he's blown the full back up.
1:28:42
Speaker 2: We're running power high at this time. Full back folded,
1:28:46
Speaker 2: piece of paper gone, running back folded, gets over top
1:28:50
Speaker 2: of him, grabs a dreadlock and rips it out of
1:28:54
Speaker 2: his head from his helmet and wraps it around his
1:28:58
Speaker 2: wrist like a bracelet. And where's it. The rest of
1:29:02
Speaker 2: the game and that was the end of the game.
1:29:04
Speaker 2: The game was over at that point.
1:29:07
Speaker 1: Straight up, Like did he look over at the side,
1:29:10
Speaker 1: did he do anything with it?
1:29:12
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Like he looked over at this online and
1:29:15
Speaker 2: was like, it's gonna be a long game, coach to
1:29:17
Speaker 2: our head coach, to the head coach of our team,
1:29:20
Speaker 2: and it was yeah, it was. It was gnarmally, dude.
1:29:24
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, there's levels to this, this is
1:29:26
Speaker 2: a whole and I'm already bulowed just kind of the
1:29:28
Speaker 2: base level, like high school football in general. And then
1:29:32
Speaker 2: that happened and I was like, this guy could be
1:29:34
Speaker 2: in the NFL like tomorrow if you want.
1:29:37
Speaker 1: This game.
1:29:38
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it was not good, had to be.
1:29:40
Speaker 2: You could probably google it. I would imagine it's somewhere
1:29:44
Speaker 2: Shelby Crest versus Ac Rentals High School. This would have
1:29:47
Speaker 2: been like two thousand and six, probably playoffs.
1:29:50
Speaker 1: Is this your senior year?
1:29:51
Speaker 2: No, this is my sophomore year. Sophomore So I'm also
1:29:54
Speaker 2: watching this as a frail young child. Yeah, do I
1:30:00
Speaker 2: really want it? Just something around you're open, the boys
1:30:02
Speaker 2: out there, stay healthy. You can't have because at the time, dude,
1:30:05
Speaker 2: I'm on like JV and so I'm like you, thank Gosh, Like,
1:30:08
Speaker 2: no chance I'm getting in, even though there wasn't anyways,
1:30:11
Speaker 2: but even though I would have been on the team,
1:30:12
Speaker 2: there was no chance I was getting in. But I'm
1:30:15
Speaker 2: really good. Sixty five to fifteen, dude, sixty five to fifteen. Yeah,
1:30:26
Speaker 2: there you go. That's the game. Yeah, it was god man, Yep,
1:30:31
Speaker 2: that's the one. And dude, we were we were a
1:30:33
Speaker 2: good team. Man, we were good. We were not like
1:30:35
Speaker 2: a bad team. You sure, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. They
1:30:38
Speaker 2: were there. I mean he was, bro, it's Brandon Spikes.
1:30:42
Speaker 1: Was there other guys you looked out there? You're like,
1:30:43
Speaker 1: oh shit? Or was it really just one? Like he
1:30:45
Speaker 1: was the first you have the bus he was.
1:30:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was the guy. You come out and
1:30:49
Speaker 2: you're like, this guy doesn't even he looks like a man,
1:30:51
Speaker 2: like a man like someone's dad, Like that's what he
1:30:54
Speaker 2: looked like in high school. That guy came out, dude,
1:30:57
Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, we don't have any guys that
1:30:59
Speaker 2: are like play that at all, dude, any like guys
1:31:02
Speaker 2: that are six five and like three twenty solid muscle.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: You know, we saw him, so we did. We did
1:31:07
Speaker 1: the sec championship and he was like part of like
1:31:10
Speaker 1: one of the commercial breaks in the second quarter or
1:31:12
Speaker 1: something like that, and Will asked him about this exact story,
1:31:16
Speaker 1: and he essentially looks and thinks back, He's like, man,
1:31:18
Speaker 1: that's back when I was first starting to take bodies.
1:31:22
Speaker 1: I don't remember this motherfucker has killed because legit kill
1:31:27
Speaker 1: people on the football field.
1:31:28
Speaker 5: He was saying, I took a lot of bodies. Couldn't
1:31:32
Speaker 5: quite put it together. But maybe when he hears this,
1:31:34
Speaker 5: he'll be coming on.
1:31:36
Speaker 2: Like I did see a guy cowering in fear, and
1:31:38
Speaker 2: that was me.
1:31:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the farthest part of the sideline could possibly.
1:31:43
Speaker 2: Be like pussy. So I got an even better story
1:31:47
Speaker 2: about him from the year before because he was like,
1:31:50
Speaker 2: he's famous in the whole state at this point, like
1:31:53
Speaker 2: even his junior year, it's like, this kid's a he's
1:31:55
Speaker 2: a freak due like he's gonna be a real talent.
1:31:58
Speaker 2: And he was. So that year, his senior year, they
1:32:01
Speaker 2: had moved up to four A. We were a four
1:32:03
Speaker 2: A school.
1:32:03
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah yeah, yeah, it's a high school
1:32:07
Speaker 1: football player.
1:32:08
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep. It is. So it's three. So
1:32:12
Speaker 2: the year before they're three A team and they play
1:32:15
Speaker 2: one of our rival high schools who was a three
1:32:17
Speaker 2: A school, and my buddy Michael was on the sideline
1:32:22
Speaker 2: and he's like, the spice is in the game. It's
1:32:26
Speaker 2: another playoff game, and he's not on the field. So
1:32:29
Speaker 2: he's not like he's not on the team. He's just
1:32:32
Speaker 2: a fan and he's like talking shit. Oh, he's like
1:32:35
Speaker 2: front row with the thing. He's like, you suck, dude.
1:32:38
Speaker 2: He's like giving him the ship over. The whole thing's like,
1:32:41
Speaker 2: I don't know if he catches an interception or something happens,
1:32:45
Speaker 2: runs over to the sideline to my buddy and was like,
1:32:49
Speaker 2: I'll fucking kill you. And then he was just like
1:32:52
Speaker 2: he said, he was just like oh god, and he
1:32:55
Speaker 2: was like he would have he would have killed me.
1:32:58
Speaker 2: But yeah, but yeahdude, he was he was an animal,
1:33:01
Speaker 2: say the least.
1:33:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:33:02
Speaker 2: I didn't even met the guy and he's had that
1:33:04
Speaker 2: great of an impressional Yeah. Check this out, dude. Yeah,
1:33:10
Speaker 2: so that's wild, dude in that photo. Dude, look at
1:33:15
Speaker 2: that is That's that's parody right there. Okay, you know
1:33:19
Speaker 2: that is you can really put it into perspective, dude,
1:33:22
Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't want to play off ins one. Now
1:33:24
Speaker 2: that I think about it, he was a super nice dude.
1:33:27
Speaker 1: He was incredibly nice to us.
1:33:29
Speaker 2: He seems like he would be a great guy. He
1:33:30
Speaker 2: just a dog. Yeah, got the switch. No, turn it on,
1:33:34
Speaker 2: turn it off.
1:33:34
Speaker 1: And he was part of those like those Tebow years
1:33:36
Speaker 1: in Florida. I was just like, my god.
1:33:38
Speaker 2: There was actual murders happening. Yeah, yeah, like on and off.
1:33:43
Speaker 2: Yeah apparently. Yeah, once again, just like to clarify, Yeah, yeah,
1:33:50
Speaker 2: we were talking to you. He was a gouge and Reno.
1:33:53
Speaker 2: He got the eyes out you can find remember that
1:33:56
Speaker 2: Florida Georgia game, like, and it was like it wasn't
1:34:01
Speaker 2: like maybe it was like no, he's like you can
1:34:05
Speaker 2: see's eyes and he's like.
1:34:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's attacking that. Yeah.
1:34:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, he was getting into it.
1:34:12
Speaker 1: Dude.
1:34:13
Speaker 2: It was a heated rivalry. What are you gonna say?
1:34:14
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, can you find the clip? There's got
1:34:17
Speaker 2: to be there's got to be a clip, because I
1:34:19
Speaker 2: remember it was a big stink. Dude. It was a
1:34:21
Speaker 2: big stink when that happened.
1:34:23
Speaker 1: Did you have any thoughts about going to Georgia? You
1:34:25
Speaker 1: just want to go to upstate. You want to you
1:34:26
Speaker 1: want to keep the body covered.
1:34:27
Speaker 2: No, I was. I was an app state guy. I
1:34:30
Speaker 2: mean I went to a I think I went to
1:34:32
Speaker 2: a summer camp there and like probably eighth grade or something,
1:34:36
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, man, I want to go here.
1:34:39
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is it. They were like trying to
1:34:42
Speaker 2: get him off of him, dude, just ripping his eyes
1:34:47
Speaker 2: out quite literally.
1:34:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, he stuck him too.
1:34:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's gnarly dude. That literally.
1:35:01
Speaker 1: Just trying to pull him off.
1:35:02
Speaker 2: He's like, get him off of me. You might kill
1:35:04
Speaker 2: this guy.
1:35:04
Speaker 1: And every every kid from your high school watching that
1:35:06
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, that checks all the checks out.
1:35:08
Speaker 2: That must be the same guy. He has the helmet on.
1:35:11
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure that's the same guy.
1:35:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be the same guy.
1:35:16
Speaker 2: Because you don't start there at eye gouging. You don't
1:35:19
Speaker 2: start there.
1:35:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know what I mean, the eye gouging,
1:35:23
Speaker 1: the spitting, the dirty play, like you're a line trait.
1:35:27
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get in someone's head that in
1:35:30
Speaker 2: the sudden, That's not the.
1:35:31
Speaker 1: First time No can game boys in high school. He
1:35:37
Speaker 1: says take dreads as souvenirs. After he's taking is that
1:35:40
Speaker 1: full back? Did he finish the game?
1:35:41
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh, good for you against his own Yeah, choice,
1:35:45
Speaker 2: I would imagine, and they're like, you're good, you get
1:35:50
Speaker 2: this s mount salt, You're good, You're good to go. Yeah.
1:35:55
Speaker 1: Music, Yeah what obviously you're doing music from a young
1:36:02
Speaker 1: age if you're missing a football practice, Yeah, to go
1:36:04
Speaker 1: to choire. You said it was yep, when did this
1:36:07
Speaker 1: passion start for you?
1:36:09
Speaker 2: I just kind of sang forever? Man, I don't know,
1:36:11
Speaker 2: I just I just always did. For as soon as
1:36:14
Speaker 2: I could talk, I was singing. I'm not sure why,
1:36:16
Speaker 2: but I just was. You know, it's kind of like
1:36:19
Speaker 2: I guess it'd be like, I don't know, it's like
1:36:20
Speaker 2: being tall or something, dude, like you can just see
1:36:22
Speaker 2: a truly. I mean, it really is like that. I mean,
1:36:25
Speaker 2: it's obviously something everybody could get better at anything, but
1:36:28
Speaker 2: your ability to get better at something is there's some
1:36:31
Speaker 2: sort of innate ceiling that you will hit right. Like
1:36:34
Speaker 2: I could never run as fast as the fastest kind
1:36:37
Speaker 2: of the world, no matter how hard I tried. I
1:36:39
Speaker 2: just don't have that trait or whatever it is. And uh,
1:36:43
Speaker 2: I think singing can be similar to that. I just
1:36:46
Speaker 2: gravitated towards it, enjoyed it, and I don't know, it
1:36:50
Speaker 2: was a way for me to get through school, which
1:36:52
Speaker 2: I didn't really love that much. You know. I wasn't
1:36:54
Speaker 2: a big like it wasn't a big learning guy. You know,
1:36:58
Speaker 2: at least think I enjoy learning stuff, but only stuff
1:37:00
Speaker 2: that I want to learn. Yeah, I don't want to,
1:37:02
Speaker 2: like have to learn things that I don't like. I
1:37:04
Speaker 2: just completely checked out at that point. So yeah, it
1:37:07
Speaker 2: was I mean, I was in I mean, I was
1:37:09
Speaker 2: inquired from sixth grade to I graduate high school. I
1:37:12
Speaker 2: mean it was a quarter of my entire experience in
1:37:14
Speaker 2: public school. These means four classes a day, one of
1:37:17
Speaker 2: them's chorus every day from sixth grade to twelfth grade.
1:37:20
Speaker 1: And when did you decide like, Okay, I'm gonna pursue this.
1:37:23
Speaker 2: There's like twenty one. Yeah it's at app State, like
1:37:26
Speaker 2: twenty one around that time, and again, I'm in school.
1:37:31
Speaker 2: I'm not loving it. I was singing in like a
1:37:33
Speaker 2: couple groups like I don't like. I don't know what
1:37:36
Speaker 2: you'd call it, like a club or what. I wasn't in,
1:37:39
Speaker 2: like the music program. You know, I didn't want to
1:37:41
Speaker 2: major in music because again there would have been I
1:37:45
Speaker 2: felt like it would have taken some of the joy
1:37:46
Speaker 2: out of it for me a little bit, and I
1:37:48
Speaker 2: just didn't. I struggle a lot with like reading music.
1:37:51
Speaker 2: You know, I can do it, but it takes me
1:37:53
Speaker 2: a long time. I'm not great at I'm not great
1:37:57
Speaker 2: at like math and music when you break it down,
1:38:00
Speaker 2: like it's very mathematical if you're like when you're really
1:38:03
Speaker 2: trying to get into like the science of music, that
1:38:08
Speaker 2: part I struggle with and it takes me a long
1:38:10
Speaker 2: time to get through things like that. So that was
1:38:13
Speaker 2: that would have been a huge challenge in majoring in music,
1:38:16
Speaker 2: you know, it would have been like I'm just not
1:38:18
Speaker 2: cut out for this version of like doing music for
1:38:21
Speaker 2: a living. And at the time, so at the time,
1:38:24
Speaker 2: I just was I was like, well, I'm just not
1:38:26
Speaker 2: going to do music. I'll just be hobby that I
1:38:28
Speaker 2: have and that'll be fine, as I enjoyed doing it,
1:38:31
Speaker 2: and I'll do something else. And then when I picked
1:38:33
Speaker 2: the guitar up, it all just kind of made sense.
1:38:35
Speaker 1: You know.
1:38:36
Speaker 2: I picked it up, and not that I'm particularly good
1:38:39
Speaker 2: at it, you know, I can get by basically, but
1:38:42
Speaker 2: I knew my voice was strong enough at that time
1:38:44
Speaker 2: to just for people to be able to see past that,
1:38:48
Speaker 2: Like if I started singing, they wouldn't even care what
1:38:50
Speaker 2: the guitar was doing. As long as it was passable
1:38:53
Speaker 2: to some extent, that would be fine with it. And
1:38:55
Speaker 2: so I started to start playing once basically the summer
1:39:00
Speaker 2: after my junior year at Apps State, and I picked
1:39:02
Speaker 2: it up, spent all summer learning it because I didn't
1:39:06
Speaker 2: have anything else going on. Besid's working, which i've you know, hated.
1:39:09
Speaker 2: I was like fucking like it was working the same
1:39:12
Speaker 2: job I worked in high school, which was brutal. It
1:39:14
Speaker 2: was awesome. In high school. I was working at a
1:39:17
Speaker 2: like a like a giant imagine, like a giant chuck
1:39:21
Speaker 2: e cheese on steroids. It's called Ashville's Fun Depot RP.
1:39:25
Speaker 2: It's no longer around indoor go carts, outdoor go carts,
1:39:29
Speaker 2: climbing wall, bumper cars, laser tag, mini golf. It's a
1:39:35
Speaker 2: dream high school gig. This is it, Oh man, man,
1:39:39
Speaker 2: I've ripped a lot of parts in that place. That place, dude,
1:39:44
Speaker 2: that place was that place ripped. It was a great
1:39:47
Speaker 2: job to have in high school. But then when I
1:39:49
Speaker 2: went back at twenty one, it was still a great
1:39:51
Speaker 2: job to have in high school. And so I was like, oh, man,
1:39:54
Speaker 2: now I'm the weird older guy that works here, and
1:39:56
Speaker 2: this is It was a stark It was like a
1:40:00
Speaker 2: stark vision into the future of like, if I don't
1:40:03
Speaker 2: figure something out like this is, this could be it
1:40:06
Speaker 2: for me, you know, And I was not okay, you know,
1:40:11
Speaker 2: I was just kind of started getting depressed about like, man,
1:40:14
Speaker 2: is this gonna be like what I'm doing? Am I
1:40:16
Speaker 2: gonna be like working laser tag when I'm forty years old?
1:40:19
Speaker 2: You know, It's like, we really don't want to be
1:40:21
Speaker 2: doing that. You know, I can't imagine any woman is
1:40:24
Speaker 2: gonna want to marry a guy that's working laser tag
1:40:26
Speaker 2: at forty forty five, at least any woman that I
1:40:30
Speaker 2: would potentially be interested in marrying. Yeah, you know, so
1:40:34
Speaker 2: it was but it was at that summer needed to happen, man,
1:40:37
Speaker 2: you know, for this to all come to fruition. It
1:40:40
Speaker 2: just needed to happen that way, And that kind of
1:40:42
Speaker 2: self conversation was kind of propelled you kind of sparked
1:40:46
Speaker 2: the motivation to dive deeper into your uh, into your
1:40:50
Speaker 2: like artistic side with music. Yeah, it was just it
1:40:53
Speaker 2: was just you know, I I'm there and I'm basically
1:40:56
Speaker 2: like I picked the guitar, but my parents had bought
1:40:59
Speaker 2: me a guitar in seventh grade and I didn't really
1:41:02
Speaker 2: play it at all or use it. It was just
1:41:05
Speaker 2: one of those things. It was like another thing my
1:41:07
Speaker 2: parents wanted me to do that I didn't want to
1:41:09
Speaker 2: do at that time, if that makes sense. And so
1:41:12
Speaker 2: I had that same guitar in the closet and my
1:41:14
Speaker 2: mom was like I was sitting on the like on
1:41:17
Speaker 2: the deck out back or on the side of the
1:41:19
Speaker 2: house somewhere and just bummed out. I had like work
1:41:22
Speaker 2: to shift and came home and it's like it's summer,
1:41:25
Speaker 2: Like none of my friends are in town anymore. They're
1:41:27
Speaker 2: all in you know, Raleigh or Chapel Hill or back
1:41:31
Speaker 2: in Boon or wherever they're at in school, and I'm
1:41:34
Speaker 2: just at home live with my parents, like basically failing
1:41:37
Speaker 2: out of college at the time too, and just going
1:41:39
Speaker 2: like what am I going to do? Man? Like I'm
1:41:42
Speaker 2: not going to finish school Like I knew it basically
1:41:44
Speaker 2: had accepted it at that time, like really like I'm
1:41:47
Speaker 2: not going to you know, I'm just digging myself into
1:41:50
Speaker 2: this giant like financial hole to like continue to like
1:41:54
Speaker 2: put off the inevitable, which is like not finishing school
1:41:57
Speaker 2: and I'm working this kind of like menial job living
1:42:00
Speaker 2: at home, and I'm like, I'm like, dude, year and
1:42:03
Speaker 2: a half, bro, I might be here for real, like
1:42:06
Speaker 2: living at my parents' house, like not going back to
1:42:08
Speaker 2: school and like not having any end insight to this thing.
1:42:13
Speaker 2: And that was like super depressing to be a part of.
1:42:16
Speaker 2: And my mom came out and she's like, why don't
1:42:19
Speaker 2: you play that guitar that you know we bought you
1:42:21
Speaker 2: or whatever, and she told me. The famous line that
1:42:25
Speaker 2: she told me was like we need Kenny Chesney and
1:42:28
Speaker 2: Tim McGraw didn't learn to play guitar till they were
1:42:30
Speaker 2: twenty one. And whether that's true or not, I still
1:42:34
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe given that a fact check, but she
1:42:37
Speaker 2: if she made up that lie, it worked big time
1:42:40
Speaker 2: because I was like, man, if those guys can do it,
1:42:42
Speaker 2: I could probably do it too, you know. And so
1:42:44
Speaker 2: it was basically I picked it up as just a
1:42:46
Speaker 2: means to like. It wasn't like I picked it up.
1:42:48
Speaker 2: I was like, well, this will be my job. I
1:42:50
Speaker 2: just picked it up. I'm like, well, this will at
1:42:51
Speaker 2: least get me through this summer, you know what I mean?
1:42:53
Speaker 2: Eighteen or nineteen, Okay, hedged it a little bit, but I.
1:42:56
Speaker 1: Like that nothing.
1:42:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad by your mom. Yeah,
1:43:02
Speaker 2: great pool. And man, I fell in love with it
1:43:05
Speaker 2: that summer. And I always loved singing and just started
1:43:09
Speaker 2: trying to learn other people's songs and singing them. And
1:43:12
Speaker 2: because I was like, man, anytime I would play, you know,
1:43:14
Speaker 2: I'd bring my guitarsmore and player. If people were at
1:43:17
Speaker 2: my house and I was playing, people loved it, you know,
1:43:20
Speaker 2: even though it wasn't very good you know, to me
1:43:22
Speaker 2: at that time. And it just kept progressing. Man, I
1:43:25
Speaker 2: just kept going down that path. And then I don't know,
1:43:28
Speaker 2: fast forward, maybe a year and a half, I'm like
1:43:31
Speaker 2: booking my first show, which was today, maybe today, fourteen
1:43:36
Speaker 2: years ago today or yesterday was my first show ever. Yeah. Yeah,
1:43:43
Speaker 2: it's crazy, man.
1:43:45
Speaker 5: So what led to you getting to book your first show?
1:43:47
Speaker 5: Because you talk about like just playing around your friends
1:43:49
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, but are you like out in
1:43:51
Speaker 5: public playing to where somebody notices?
1:43:53
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm like, I'm I'm basically coming up
1:43:57
Speaker 2: with this plan in the apartment at this point, and
1:43:59
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I could be good enough to
1:44:01
Speaker 2: do you know, like an hour or whatever and just
1:44:04
Speaker 2: play for people I knew. I was like, I knew
1:44:05
Speaker 2: a bunch of my friends would come if I, you know,
1:44:07
Speaker 2: if I invited them and stuff and played my first
1:44:10
Speaker 2: show at the Parthenon Cafe is no longer there either,
1:44:13
Speaker 2: in Boone and but I played rugby in college and
1:44:16
Speaker 2: I loved it, man, because it was just like everything
1:44:20
Speaker 2: I wanted out of football is like almost no strategy
1:44:22
Speaker 2: and just pure violence.
1:44:24
Speaker 1: You know.
1:44:25
Speaker 2: It was like, which is so sick? And uh so, yeah,
1:44:28
Speaker 2: there it is. That's my first show ever. Uh good.
1:44:32
Speaker 2: Borrowed my neighbor's guitar at the sun my guitar, I
1:44:34
Speaker 2: borrowed another friend's PA system and it was a dollar
1:44:38
Speaker 2: to get in and I made two hundred bucks, which
1:44:41
Speaker 2: was more than I made it both my jobs that week.
1:44:43
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, bro, this is
1:44:45
Speaker 2: this is it? Like that that was the day that
1:44:48
Speaker 2: I was like, this is what I'm gonna do it
1:44:50
Speaker 2: fourteen years ago today, fourteen years ago today, I was like,
1:44:53
Speaker 2: this is it, man, Like I can do this, and
1:44:56
Speaker 2: it wasn't even like I'm want to be some big star.
1:44:58
Speaker 2: That wasn't the that was the thought. But I'm like,
1:45:01
Speaker 2: this is something I could do and really enjoy and
1:45:05
Speaker 2: make a living and be happy doing this. That was
1:45:08
Speaker 2: the idea. That was when the light bulb went off.
1:45:11
Speaker 2: And then as things continue to progress, like more and
1:45:14
Speaker 2: more people were just coming to the shows, and you know,
1:45:17
Speaker 2: over the course of the next two years, basically I
1:45:19
Speaker 2: spent every waking moment like I was putting together press
1:45:24
Speaker 2: kits for myself, like sending them off to bars and
1:45:27
Speaker 2: restaurants all around North Carolina saying, hey, book me for
1:45:31
Speaker 2: this show. You know, I'd basically play for you know,
1:45:34
Speaker 2: paying me a hundred bucks or whatever, and I'll come
1:45:36
Speaker 2: because I knew I could throw the tip jar out
1:45:38
Speaker 2: and make you know, fifty seventy five more bucks that way,
1:45:42
Speaker 2: and it was worth it because it was just me
1:45:43
Speaker 2: and my buddy Adam. Basically we just getting my car
1:45:46
Speaker 2: his car and drive down the mountain and play for
1:45:48
Speaker 2: a couple of hours and come home and have fun too.
1:45:51
Speaker 2: It's like you're drinking free and eating free, and you know,
1:45:54
Speaker 2: people like everybody thinks you're great when you're playing music,
1:45:57
Speaker 2: like if you're decent, even if you're decent at a bar,
1:46:00
Speaker 2: people are like, this guy's awesome.
1:46:01
Speaker 1: People love music.
1:46:03
Speaker 2: People love music.
1:46:04
Speaker 1: Especially when the expectations low.
1:46:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're just like I'm in some chicken wing
1:46:08
Speaker 2: restaurant somewhere in Winston Salem'm like, how good can this
1:46:11
Speaker 2: guy be?
1:46:11
Speaker 1: Yeah?
1:46:12
Speaker 2: How bad can he be? Ye? Really bad? He could
1:46:15
Speaker 2: be really bad, but you know, oh, dar, he's not
1:46:18
Speaker 2: going to be the next whatever. You know, So it
1:46:21
Speaker 2: was always like a pleasant surprise. That's me and Adam there.
1:46:24
Speaker 2: That was the day we met, actually and met him.
1:46:28
Speaker 2: He lived in He's from Boone, originally went to high
1:46:30
Speaker 2: school there and had went to play baseball somewhere and
1:46:33
Speaker 2: then transferred back to APP. And I would watch a
1:46:37
Speaker 2: lot of his videos, and I didn't know he went
1:46:40
Speaker 2: to APP, didn't know he's from there. But he played
1:46:43
Speaker 2: a lot of covers of a lot of the songs
1:46:44
Speaker 2: that I liked, and his hands were always visible, so
1:46:48
Speaker 2: I could see how he was playing the songs, and
1:46:50
Speaker 2: that's how I would learn songs. It was like I'd
1:46:53
Speaker 2: watch some of his videos and then one of the
1:46:55
Speaker 2: videos he came out in an APP state hat and
1:46:57
Speaker 2: I was like, you gotta be shitting me, dude, is
1:46:59
Speaker 2: this like a random hat? It's like popped to like
1:47:03
Speaker 2: Google or whatever. I don't know Facebook, I guess on
1:47:05
Speaker 2: this guy and I sent him a message and I'm like, hey, man,
1:47:08
Speaker 2: do you live in Boom like I saw one of year.
1:47:11
Speaker 2: I've watched a bunch of your videos and he was like, yeah, man,
1:47:14
Speaker 2: I'm from here. I live here, and he lived like
1:47:15
Speaker 2: five minutes in the road from me, and then he
1:47:18
Speaker 2: came over to my house. That was the first thing
1:47:20
Speaker 2: we ever did together. And we played hundreds of shows
1:47:23
Speaker 2: after that in town together. So he had some like
1:47:27
Speaker 2: gigs he was already booking, so he kind of let
1:47:30
Speaker 2: me glob onto those, and then I let him glob
1:47:32
Speaker 2: onto my gigs. So we doubled our gigs and split
1:47:34
Speaker 2: the money so twice as many people would see us play,
1:47:37
Speaker 2: and then we'd still make the same amount of money
1:47:40
Speaker 2: because any show was a good show then, Like it
1:47:42
Speaker 2: was like anywhere that would let you play anytime, right, Yeah.
1:47:45
Speaker 2: I played a coffee shop on a Tuesday in the
1:47:47
Speaker 2: middle of afternoon sometimes. If that was what I could get,
1:47:49
Speaker 2: that's what I would take, you know. And it worked out. Man,
1:47:53
Speaker 2: it worked out. It was crazy, dude. Some of the
1:47:55
Speaker 2: videos too, looked like you were spread some of the
1:47:56
Speaker 2: awareness through social platforms like Vine oh big time. Yeah.
1:48:00
Speaker 2: Vin was huge for me. And that was it wasn't intentional.
1:48:03
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, now it's a strategy right, like now
1:48:06
Speaker 2: it's like social media is the game. Back then, it
1:48:09
Speaker 2: was kind of this uncharted territory. Everybody was on it,
1:48:12
Speaker 2: but no one had discovered it as a marketing tool
1:48:15
Speaker 2: or a business TOOLALI, So it's kind of unintentionally. So, yeah,
1:48:19
Speaker 2: it wasn't like, you know, what would be great is
1:48:21
Speaker 2: to like get a bunch of followers and then get
1:48:23
Speaker 2: those people to all potentially buy songs and tickets. Like
1:48:27
Speaker 2: it just kind of turned into that. There was no like,
1:48:30
Speaker 2: there was no light bulb moment. It was just like
1:48:32
Speaker 2: that's what everybody my age was doing at that time,
1:48:35
Speaker 2: and then it became this this big thing that that
1:48:39
Speaker 2: ultimately became like one of the main reasons for my
1:48:42
Speaker 2: success because I had leverage. When I came to Nashville,
1:48:46
Speaker 2: I was already selling a bunch of tickets and I
1:48:48
Speaker 2: was already selling my own songs, and I didn't even
1:48:50
Speaker 2: realize that was a big deal.
1:48:52
Speaker 1: So as you're coming to Nashville like what it looks
1:48:56
Speaker 1: like it could be.
1:48:57
Speaker 2: That's it's a hefty You're a hefty boy coming in.
1:49:01
Speaker 5: You're leveraging against what when you come to Nashville, like
1:49:04
Speaker 5: compared to what most most most artists go up against
1:49:07
Speaker 5: when they come here.
1:49:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not the trend anymore obviously, with you know,
1:49:11
Speaker 2: now everybody's figured out the social media game. So that's
1:49:14
Speaker 2: the way you do it is you know, back then
1:49:16
Speaker 2: it was like everybody would just move to Nashville on
1:49:18
Speaker 2: a wing and a prayer with a dream, you know,
1:49:20
Speaker 2: and it's like everybody's unproven. You have nothing to offer,
1:49:24
Speaker 2: really the label or anyone that would sign you other
1:49:28
Speaker 2: than this guy we think could maybe have potential. That
1:49:32
Speaker 2: was the only thing you could offer. Now kids are
1:49:35
Speaker 2: coming to town with well, I've sold one hundred thousand
1:49:38
Speaker 2: copies of my songs and I'm doing shows and I
1:49:41
Speaker 2: have two million TikTok followers, and it's like it's undeniable, right,
1:49:45
Speaker 2: Like you can't argue with those statistics. But back then
1:49:48
Speaker 2: I came not with those kind of numbers, but with
1:49:52
Speaker 2: numbers that were really good, and nobody had anything. And
1:49:57
Speaker 2: I didn't even really use that as a selling point,
1:49:59
Speaker 2: you know. I was just kind of like I thought
1:50:01
Speaker 2: that's what everyone had. I was like, well, you moved
1:50:04
Speaker 2: to Nashville, dude, Like you're ready to be Like you're
1:50:06
Speaker 2: in the league, dude, you know what I mean. It's
1:50:08
Speaker 2: like showing up to the to the basically to the
1:50:12
Speaker 2: super Bowl and you're like, oh, I've never actually played
1:50:15
Speaker 2: but and it's like, what are you talking? What do
1:50:17
Speaker 2: you mean you've never played before? But like that was
1:50:19
Speaker 2: what was going on. It was just you just come
1:50:22
Speaker 2: to town and see how good you were, the good
1:50:24
Speaker 2: guy in your little town, and then you come and
1:50:26
Speaker 2: see how you stack up against everybody else.
1:50:29
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, come with that type of leverage.
1:50:33
Speaker 5: I'll just go say, like what is that leverage by,
1:50:35
Speaker 5: Like what does that leverage get you?
1:50:37
Speaker 2: On the business side of things?
1:50:38
Speaker 1: Because Jelley was a few years ago, he was breaking
1:50:41
Speaker 1: down how like the record labels work, how they fund
1:50:44
Speaker 1: you money at the percentage points, and he's trying to
1:50:47
Speaker 1: flip it and all that, Like how.
1:50:48
Speaker 2: Does he put so many different kind of breakdowns. I'm
1:50:49
Speaker 2: always just fascinated. Yeah, I mean it it grant so
1:50:53
Speaker 2: like I got passed on by Sony my first year
1:50:57
Speaker 2: in Nashville, and then I ended up signing with them
1:51:00
Speaker 2: two years later, And that is one of the best
1:51:04
Speaker 2: things that ever happened to me, dude, because two years later,
1:51:08
Speaker 2: I've got my first album is done. I basically own
1:51:12
Speaker 2: the entire thing. I license it to the label. I'm
1:51:16
Speaker 2: already selling out my own shows. So then when it
1:51:18
Speaker 2: comes down to negotiating the points of the deal, I'm like, well,
1:51:22
Speaker 2: I could just not sign and just keep doing what
1:51:25
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I don't need to sign.
1:51:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was some something that Sony offers that makes it?
1:51:32
Speaker 1: Oh?
1:51:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a this is a great move.
1:51:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because when you're talking about I can already sell
1:51:36
Speaker 1: my own shows out of my album done, you have
1:51:38
Speaker 1: obviously if a fan base established, what could Sony give
1:51:41
Speaker 1: you radio?
1:51:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at that time, that's the only thing you
1:51:46
Speaker 2: really needed at that time, that was radio.
1:51:48
Speaker 5: Like Sony has a bunch of slots.
1:51:50
Speaker 2: Or they have a whole team that goes out and
1:51:52
Speaker 2: basically they know everyone at every you know, reporting radio
1:51:55
Speaker 2: station in the country. So they that's how you know
1:51:59
Speaker 2: your song doesn't get on the radio by accident, dude,
1:52:02
Speaker 2: especially at that time, it was very gate kept, you know.
1:52:06
Speaker 2: And that's not cost big money to get on the
1:52:07
Speaker 2: radio tub. I mean big money in the terms of
1:52:11
Speaker 2: the people, the amount of people it took to work
1:52:13
Speaker 2: your records, you know. I mean they have a whole
1:52:15
Speaker 2: you know. So like at that time, I'm at Sony.
1:52:18
Speaker 2: There's three imprints at Sony at that time, so there's Sony, Columbia,
1:52:21
Speaker 2: Sony Arista, an RCA, I believe, so there's three teams.
1:52:27
Speaker 2: So like if I'm at Columbia, then Kenny Chesney at
1:52:32
Speaker 2: the time was at RCA or Arista, and Brad Paisley
1:52:36
Speaker 2: was at one of the other two, and Carrie Underwood
1:52:39
Speaker 2: was there and came Brown had just got signed, and
1:52:42
Speaker 2: Chris Young is there, and it's they're all different imprints,
1:52:45
Speaker 2: and each imprint had its own radio team of five people,
1:52:48
Speaker 2: so like ahead of promotion, a Southeast REP, a Northeast REP,
1:52:52
Speaker 2: a Midwest REP, a Southwest REP, and a Northwest Rep
1:52:56
Speaker 2: just to work your song to radio. So then they
1:52:59
Speaker 2: would take your song and go, hey, we've got this
1:53:01
Speaker 2: new guy, and listen to this song. Get your like,
1:53:05
Speaker 2: actually sit down and listen to it. They were basically
1:53:08
Speaker 2: A and R and your song to the radio, and
1:53:11
Speaker 2: you could do these deals where we'd be like, okay, well,
1:53:14
Speaker 2: you know, if you sit down and listen to the song, like, well,
1:53:16
Speaker 2: you know there's that big Kenny shows coming up, you
1:53:19
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like probably want to come chill
1:53:21
Speaker 2: at that, you know what I mean, Like be cool
1:53:24
Speaker 2: to chill at the Kenny show, you know. And it's
1:53:26
Speaker 2: like that's all understood, and it's not like it's you know,
1:53:30
Speaker 2: back in the day, they would just show up with
1:53:31
Speaker 2: briefcases of money. In the seventies, it was like here's
1:53:34
Speaker 2: a bunch of money, played the song, and like, Okay,
1:53:36
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen anymore, you know, And now it's completely
1:53:39
Speaker 2: different because streaming is way different, and you know, that
1:53:43
Speaker 2: stuff still kind of baffles me, like how those things work.
1:53:46
Speaker 2: I would imagine there's something kind of similar is going
1:53:49
Speaker 2: on maybe and it's not the slight to anyone or anything.
1:53:53
Speaker 2: It's just the nature of the business at that time.
1:53:55
Speaker 2: But you couldn't do that on your own. You need
1:53:57
Speaker 2: a team that knows how to how to play, like
1:54:01
Speaker 2: you need basically you need a coaching staff almost, and
1:54:04
Speaker 2: to put it in sports terms, like you need to
1:54:07
Speaker 2: like here's the play. We're gonna run. You have the
1:54:10
Speaker 2: skill to run the play. Let us go, let us
1:54:12
Speaker 2: go show everybody what you can do. Let us get
1:54:16
Speaker 2: you on the field. Yeah with everyone, you know what
1:54:18
Speaker 2: I mean. So it's it's a crazy business. But yeah,
1:54:22
Speaker 2: I mean, the difference could be these are all well
1:54:25
Speaker 2: fake numbers of this thing. So let's say you know
1:54:28
Speaker 2: those old arithmetic questions where they'd be like, would you
1:54:31
Speaker 2: rather have a penny a second for every day for
1:54:34
Speaker 2: rest of your life? Or dold you rather have a
1:54:36
Speaker 2: penny and double it for a month? Or would you
1:54:39
Speaker 2: rather have a thousand dollars every day for ten years?
1:54:43
Speaker 2: And you're like, you tried to like do the math
1:54:44
Speaker 2: on which one of those is better. But record deals
1:54:47
Speaker 2: are the same way. So it's like, let's say a
1:54:50
Speaker 2: label comes to you and says you're a new artist
1:54:52
Speaker 2: with no leverage, and they go, hey, man, we'll give
1:54:54
Speaker 2: you two million bucks up front, Like maybe the signing
1:54:58
Speaker 2: bonuses five hundred thousand dollars non recoupable, So you get
1:55:02
Speaker 2: the two million dollars, five hundred thousand dollars of it
1:55:04
Speaker 2: is yours, no strings attached. The other million and a
1:55:07
Speaker 2: half you're gonna basically is an interest free loan that
1:55:11
Speaker 2: you're going to pay back to us after you've made money,
1:55:15
Speaker 2: because we took all the inherent risk to sign you
1:55:19
Speaker 2: to the deal, and then as you earn, like as
1:55:21
Speaker 2: you're earning power increases, we take that money back. And
1:55:25
Speaker 2: then let's say they go, well, you're gonna make we're
1:55:27
Speaker 2: gonna take twenty five percent of all the tickets you sell,
1:55:31
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of all the t shirts you sell,
1:55:34
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of all the records you sell, or whatever.
1:55:38
Speaker 2: Or you could take a deal and say, hey, two
1:55:41
Speaker 2: years later, you've got all this leverage and you go, hey,
1:55:43
Speaker 2: I don't want any money upfront at all. And they're
1:55:47
Speaker 2: like that always blows their mind. They're like, what do
1:55:49
Speaker 2: you mean you don't want any money? Like, don't eat it.
1:55:51
Speaker 2: I'd rather have the the percentage points back over time.
1:55:56
Speaker 2: And so well, maybe you guys keep no percentage of
1:55:59
Speaker 2: mind and no percentage of my tickets, and you keep
1:56:02
Speaker 2: ten percent of the record because it's it's huge now,
1:56:06
Speaker 2: so the ten percent maybe more than the deal you
1:56:08
Speaker 2: were already offering me. But a lot of people let's
1:56:11
Speaker 2: say you're I don't know, you're freaking Elton John and
1:56:14
Speaker 2: you sign that deal when you have nothing, and then
1:56:18
Speaker 2: they got you in that deal for seven year for
1:56:20
Speaker 2: seven records. That could be like you're almost your whole career,
1:56:24
Speaker 2: right yeah. I mean I'm not even on my seventh
1:56:25
Speaker 2: record yet. This will be my sixth record that I'm
1:56:27
Speaker 2: promoing right now. So I can't imagine being in a
1:56:30
Speaker 2: deal that was structured that way and they have no
1:56:33
Speaker 2: incentive to negotiate. Why would they change your deal at
1:56:38
Speaker 2: this point? That was the whole goal, is to get
1:56:40
Speaker 2: you to this point where the labels just like printing money,
1:56:44
Speaker 2: and that's the nature of the business man. It's not
1:56:46
Speaker 2: like a slide at the way labels operate, but it's
1:56:48
Speaker 2: like some of those big long deals are definitely set
1:56:52
Speaker 2: up to be advantageous for them in the end as
1:56:54
Speaker 2: opposed to you, which is just because at the time
1:56:57
Speaker 2: they were taking all the risk because nobody was coming
1:57:00
Speaker 2: to town with anything, and they're basically fronting you millions
1:57:04
Speaker 2: of dollars to start your career, and then the way
1:57:07
Speaker 2: you pay them back is a percentage of of your
1:57:09
Speaker 2: earnings over the rest of your career, basically a high
1:57:11
Speaker 2: interest loan. Even though it's a no interest. You know,
1:57:14
Speaker 2: when you pay it back, you don't, you know, it
1:57:16
Speaker 2: doesn't increase, but they just make a ton on the end.
1:57:20
Speaker 1: When you first get to Nashville, do you have representation already?
1:57:23
Speaker 1: Are you kind of running solo? You're knocking on doors,
1:57:25
Speaker 1: You're going down the music row?
1:57:27
Speaker 2: No I'm not. I'm not going down like those days
1:57:29
Speaker 2: were long over at that that at one time was
1:57:31
Speaker 2: the was the process, Like you could just go down
1:57:34
Speaker 2: and knock on it. This time you wouldn't even know
1:57:35
Speaker 2: an even answered. They'd be like, don't answer that. Some
1:57:38
Speaker 2: random guy with a guitar here brutal, you know, which
1:57:42
Speaker 2: would be brutal. It would be a lot of brutal,
1:57:45
Speaker 2: brutal run ins with people, I would imagine. And it's
1:57:50
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm there. I have no manager, I have
1:57:54
Speaker 2: no booking agent, I know anything. So I just moved
1:57:57
Speaker 2: to town. I had enough money to not have to
1:57:59
Speaker 2: work just from playing shows, and I had released a
1:58:02
Speaker 2: couple of songs in college, so I wasn't worried about,
1:58:05
Speaker 2: like how am I going to make a living? I
1:58:07
Speaker 2: knew at least too, I got at least two years
1:58:09
Speaker 2: of like just cruise control, Like, yeah, I can just
1:58:12
Speaker 2: go out and network and try to write songs with
1:58:14
Speaker 2: people and see what happens. In this two year period.
1:58:18
Speaker 2: That was basically my mind what was going to happen.
1:58:20
Speaker 2: You know, It's like, just see what happens for two
1:58:22
Speaker 2: years and then Readjust so I did that, man. I
1:58:26
Speaker 2: would write five days a week for weeks and weeks
1:58:30
Speaker 2: on end, go play writers nights, go try to meet people,
1:58:34
Speaker 2: and then it wrote. You know, eventually what was my
1:58:37
Speaker 2: first record? Not really even intentionally, it's just like, well,
1:58:40
Speaker 2: I got all these songs and I need to put
1:58:42
Speaker 2: some more songs out, and then I made an EP
1:58:44
Speaker 2: and then that transitioned into making a record, and it
1:58:47
Speaker 2: just all kind of fell into place. You know. It
1:58:49
Speaker 2: was just it was like, for lack of a better term,
1:58:52
Speaker 2: like baby steps. Man. Like it was like there was
1:58:55
Speaker 2: I was never looking at the finish line. I was
1:58:57
Speaker 2: just always looking at the next step. I believe, what's
1:58:59
Speaker 2: the next thing I need to do, you know, like
1:59:02
Speaker 2: get to the next thing, and then I can get
1:59:03
Speaker 2: to the next thing. And then ultimately, all of a sudden,
1:59:05
Speaker 2: you're like at the top and you're like weird, yeah,
1:59:09
Speaker 2: weird that like because none of it felt it didn't
1:59:11
Speaker 2: feel like this big task because I was never looking
1:59:14
Speaker 2: at how many steps I had left. I was just like,
1:59:17
Speaker 2: well I can't get to the next one. That's easy,
1:59:19
Speaker 2: just you know, just to the Yeah, just to go
1:59:22
Speaker 2: from here. It's pretty black and white. It was like,
1:59:24
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no playbook, but it was just it
1:59:26
Speaker 2: became obvious over time. Let's just do whatever we got
1:59:30
Speaker 2: to do to like get to the next point and
1:59:31
Speaker 2: like continue and give ourselves a better chance every day.
1:59:35
Speaker 2: And it was fun, man, it was those were fun times. Well,
1:59:38
Speaker 2: we're a.
1:59:39
Speaker 5: Couple of like pivotal relationships you made that kind of
1:59:43
Speaker 5: you know, kind of catapulted into the next baby steps
1:59:45
Speaker 5: or maybe you got to you know, you got to
1:59:47
Speaker 5: go through a baby step fast because of a you know,
1:59:50
Speaker 5: certain relationships that you had made that you're like, oh man,
1:59:52
Speaker 5: this will be Yeah.
1:59:54
Speaker 1: Been big for my career, and now that I look
1:59:55
Speaker 1: back on.
1:59:56
Speaker 2: It, yeah, I I mean meeting meeting my kind of
2:00:00
Speaker 2: group of guys that I you know, still write with
2:00:02
Speaker 2: to this day was huge. I mean when that record
2:00:05
Speaker 2: came out, I think every person that wrote on that album,
2:00:10
Speaker 2: I think there was only one person that even had
2:00:12
Speaker 2: a publishing deal, so like we're all basically guys and
2:00:16
Speaker 2: gals that just met each other at the bar that
2:00:18
Speaker 2: wrote that record, which is like my biggest record, you know. Yeah,
2:00:22
Speaker 2: And it was all just like that was like love
2:00:24
Speaker 2: of the game, like just trying to write the best
2:00:27
Speaker 2: stuff we could write and then ultimately turns into this
2:00:30
Speaker 2: like huge album that like changes my life or whatever.
2:00:33
Speaker 2: So those were the first important, but the first important
2:00:37
Speaker 2: relationships that I had. When I got to town. I
2:00:41
Speaker 2: ended up at a a friend of mine had a
2:00:44
Speaker 2: showcase at the Exit Inn, and he was like, do
2:00:48
Speaker 2: you want to come play before me at you know,
2:00:52
Speaker 2: like a showcase is basically you've been in town for
2:00:55
Speaker 2: a while, you're decently established, you know enough people where
2:00:58
Speaker 2: you can it's basically open invite to people in the
2:01:01
Speaker 2: industry to come watch you perform. It's almost like an
2:01:04
Speaker 2: audition for like a record deal or a publishing deal
2:01:08
Speaker 2: or a booking deal or whatever. Like you invite people
2:01:10
Speaker 2: from all these agencies to come, and that it's only
2:01:14
Speaker 2: happening when you have like a lot of momentum going on.
2:01:16
Speaker 2: So he asked me to come play like first of four,
2:01:19
Speaker 2: like first guy, and I played like just by myself,
2:01:22
Speaker 2: maybe with like Kurt, who's like in my band now
2:01:25
Speaker 2: but at the time he wasn't. And we played a
2:01:28
Speaker 2: couple of songs acoustic. So I played my set, a
2:01:31
Speaker 2: couple of songs, end up backstage and there's like a
2:01:35
Speaker 2: bunch of dudes back there like suit it out, like
2:01:37
Speaker 2: doing the whole thing stereotypical, right, like suits, you know. Yeah,
2:01:42
Speaker 2: and they're like, hey man, we work for this book
2:01:45
Speaker 2: an agency called APA was the name of the agency.
2:01:48
Speaker 2: They're big in a lot of other entertainment spaces, but
2:01:51
Speaker 2: in Nashville they were relatively new getting into the country
2:01:54
Speaker 2: music world, so their Nashville office wasn't very big, and
2:01:58
Speaker 2: they were like, we'd love to set up a me
2:02:00
Speaker 2: with you or whatever. I'm like, listen, dude, I'm in
2:02:02
Speaker 2: if you guys can get me shows. I'm in, Like,
2:02:05
Speaker 2: if you can get book shows for me, Like that
2:02:07
Speaker 2: would take a ton off my plate because I basically
2:02:10
Speaker 2: wasn't able to play any shows because all my connections
2:02:13
Speaker 2: were back in North Carolina and so I wasn't gonna commute,
2:02:16
Speaker 2: you know, eight hours to go make tun or Bucks.
2:02:19
Speaker 2: It just didn't make sense anymore. So I always knew
2:02:22
Speaker 2: that the only way I'm gonna get anybody to be
2:02:25
Speaker 2: interested in my music at all is get in front
2:02:27
Speaker 2: of them, like no one's gonna look at a picture
2:02:29
Speaker 2: of me and go, this guy's a star. We got
2:02:31
Speaker 2: to get this guy up here. I just knew that
2:02:33
Speaker 2: it's just the harsh reality of my life at that time,
2:02:36
Speaker 2: and it's really my life now still, to be honest,
2:02:39
Speaker 2: but it's like you just know, you know, yeah, you
2:02:44
Speaker 2: just you just know. You're like, okay, well, I mean
2:02:47
Speaker 2: the people that are crushing at that time are Florida, Georgia, Line,
2:02:52
Speaker 2: Sam Hunt, Chase Rice, Like, I mean, those dudes are hot,
2:02:56
Speaker 2: bro Like, they're hot, and like I'm not hot, and
2:03:01
Speaker 2: I'm not tall, I'm not in shape, and I'm like,
2:03:03
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't like an ex college athlete or
2:03:06
Speaker 2: like they have all these good they have great stories
2:03:08
Speaker 2: and they're good looking, and they're like charismatic, you know,
2:03:11
Speaker 2: like and so I'm like, man, I got nothing on
2:03:14
Speaker 2: these guys. And uh So at the time, it was
2:03:18
Speaker 2: like nobody in town was interested in signing a guy
2:03:21
Speaker 2: like me because it's like, well, this is the thing
2:03:23
Speaker 2: that's working, ain't this guy in Nashville loves to play
2:03:27
Speaker 2: it safe man. Like when they see a thing that works,
2:03:30
Speaker 2: they love to go. Let's find more of that thing
2:03:33
Speaker 2: that works and just continue to hammer that until somebody
2:03:37
Speaker 2: breaks the mold, and then we'll just pour everyone else
2:03:40
Speaker 2: into that same mold, you know. And again it's no
2:03:42
Speaker 2: fault because it's a low risk. Like you know that
2:03:45
Speaker 2: people love fgl So you sign Chase or you sign
2:03:49
Speaker 2: sam Hunt like you like, it's just it's a plug
2:03:51
Speaker 2: and play kind of thing.
2:03:52
Speaker 1: Right, He's not a bad thing, but the play book
2:03:54
Speaker 1: you might as well used to play with.
2:03:56
Speaker 2: Everybody's running three tight end. Let's run three tight end,
2:04:00
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, let's all do it. You
2:04:01
Speaker 2: know it's working, and I mean, look at this guy.
2:04:04
Speaker 2: This guy's beautiful, dude. Look at this guy. He's beautiful, dude.
2:04:08
Speaker 2: He's incredibly talented guy. You know, he's like probably he's
2:04:13
Speaker 2: like shooting like ski and like old like fils and stuff.
2:04:17
Speaker 2: And you're like, this guy's cool, dude. You know, nobody
2:04:20
Speaker 2: thinks about me in that vein. Would you type in
2:04:23
Speaker 2: like super hot.
2:04:25
Speaker 1: This here, this guys off with his looks.
2:04:31
Speaker 2: But there's one of those guys.
2:04:32
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard. This guy makes me more mad
2:04:35
Speaker 1: than snow.
2:04:35
Speaker 2: It's hard to compete.
2:04:38
Speaker 1: With this. Look at that man, chiseled, chiseled chisel.
2:04:43
Speaker 4: And so.
2:04:46
Speaker 5: There's no pictures of me, you know, they're just just
2:04:52
Speaker 5: not and uh, you need to just take You need
2:04:57
Speaker 5: to like recreate a lot of type comes.
2:05:00
Speaker 2: Shirtless and I guarantee there's not many. Uh, there you go.
2:05:04
Speaker 2: This is more my drip here, dude, boxy, you know,
2:05:09
Speaker 2: flattering kind of you know, lean into like the bad genetics,
2:05:15
Speaker 2: you know, like the closed eyes and like the not
2:05:18
Speaker 2: fully grown in beard, like lean into that stuff.
2:05:21
Speaker 1: You do, you do need to take like this starting
2:05:23
Speaker 1: out era of the Sam Hunts and Riley Green and
2:05:26
Speaker 1: just photoshop your face on top of them.
2:05:28
Speaker 5: Sure, just recreate some of the photos, like you get
2:05:31
Speaker 5: the boat one that Leys just on he just drops
2:05:33
Speaker 5: one when we got shirtless and what buff Oh yeah.
2:05:38
Speaker 2: That's gonna that's gonna come up, oh baby. Surprisingly not
2:05:45
Speaker 2: hairy though up top, which is weird like episode, but
2:05:50
Speaker 2: it's very shaven. That's that's what gives me the little
2:05:57
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have this in my room though every day
2:05:59
Speaker 2: and be like it's gonna be me man.
2:06:01
Speaker 1: You know, dead guy's ticking bread and spikes out.
2:06:03
Speaker 2: Yeah he's got he's got a chance. At least he
2:06:07
Speaker 2: stands a chance. But so I'm up against kind of
2:06:10
Speaker 2: that thing at the time, which is the normal Nashville
2:06:14
Speaker 2: look and mold at that time. And the really the
2:06:17
Speaker 2: big pivotal moment there we go that guy is taken
2:06:20
Speaker 2: out the spikes for sure, and the mold. It's like
2:06:25
Speaker 2: the guy that really breaks the mold is christ Apleton.
2:06:30
Speaker 2: Me coomes out and just bad ass bro like incredible singer,
2:06:36
Speaker 2: incredible writer. If you lived in Nashville, you knew who
2:06:40
Speaker 2: Chris Stapleton was. You just already knew. You know, it
2:06:43
Speaker 2: was a travesty. It took that long for him to
2:06:45
Speaker 2: get to that point, you know. I mean he was
2:06:47
Speaker 2: like he was your favorite writer's favorite writer in town
2:06:50
Speaker 2: at that time. You know it still is. But when
2:06:53
Speaker 2: he did that performance with Timberlake at the CMAS, it
2:06:57
Speaker 2: was a whole different. It just blew them like it
2:07:00
Speaker 2: was this groundbreaking moment of like everybody in town new
2:07:03
Speaker 2: without talking to each other, Like shit just changed for sure,
2:07:07
Speaker 2: because like if it ain't that good, it ain't gonna work, dude,
2:07:11
Speaker 2: because now people know the cat's out of the bag, dude,
2:07:14
Speaker 2: Like people know that exists, and that's gonna be an issue.
2:07:17
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
2:07:19
Speaker 2: That's gonna be an issue for hot dudes everywhere right now.
2:07:25
Speaker 2: And it's taken a while for there to be a
2:07:27
Speaker 2: new hot dude. You know, you got Ryley now, but
2:07:29
Speaker 2: still not a lot of super hot dudes running around
2:07:32
Speaker 2: Jelly not hot dude. I'm not hot, We're not hot.
2:07:36
Speaker 2: It's fine, Yeah, it's okay, you know what I mean.
2:07:39
Speaker 2: And so really, if the Stapleton moment doesn't happen, I
2:07:41
Speaker 2: don't know that my stuff happened shakes out in the
2:07:44
Speaker 2: same way because then people were willing to go Now
2:07:47
Speaker 2: my stuff took off. I mean maybe when was that Stapleton? Yeah,
2:07:53
Speaker 2: well do you know the date on that? If you
2:07:55
Speaker 2: know the date, I could really really don't think your
2:07:57
Speaker 2: stuff takes off without not in the same way, but
2:07:59
Speaker 2: like not, maybe it does, but I don't know if
2:08:03
Speaker 2: it takes off in Nashville within the industry, Like, I
2:08:09
Speaker 2: don't know that I get some of the chances I
2:08:11
Speaker 2: get without that moment. Got you know, twenty fifteen. Okay,
2:08:14
Speaker 2: so I'm living in Nashville. I moved in September of fourteen.
2:08:19
Speaker 2: So this happens November of fifteen. So I've already got
2:08:22
Speaker 2: Hurricane already written it, had already released it on my own,
2:08:25
Speaker 2: but still nothing was really going on with it. And
2:08:28
Speaker 2: this happens, and then and then I start getting like
2:08:32
Speaker 2: people are knocking on my door like they're like, bro,
2:08:35
Speaker 2: we need we need ugly guy. Dude, this is your time, Bro,
2:08:39
Speaker 2: this is you're the guy. I'm like, yes, so yeah,
2:08:44
Speaker 2: I get my deal.
2:08:45
Speaker 1: And did you have any when you see this go down?
2:08:47
Speaker 1: I'm sure you watched it.
2:08:48
Speaker 2: I watched it live.
2:08:49
Speaker 1: You watch it live, did a piece of you go,
2:08:51
Speaker 1: I've got this is it? This is my time?
2:08:53
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, oh, this is incredible, No, it wasn't
2:08:56
Speaker 2: this is my time. It was a this is a
2:08:59
Speaker 2: absolute ground like like a magnetic like polar shift in
2:09:04
Speaker 2: what will be popular in country music. And it won't
2:09:07
Speaker 2: happen tomorrow, but this is the start because of how
2:09:11
Speaker 2: successful and how much people were just you can just yeah,
2:09:14
Speaker 2: you just watched it and you just knew it was
2:09:17
Speaker 2: so different than anything you had seen on the CMA
2:09:19
Speaker 2: Awards in a long time. And then the reaction to
2:09:23
Speaker 2: I mean, he just becomes a star like overnight. I mean,
2:09:27
Speaker 2: obviously he was. I mean, he was an OG at
2:09:29
Speaker 2: that point in the game, but nobody knew about him
2:09:32
Speaker 2: outside of town unless you were listening to the Steel Drivers.
2:09:36
Speaker 2: And then even then it was just he was the
2:09:38
Speaker 2: singer of the steel Drivers.
2:09:39
Speaker 1: Was Chris Stapleton and the steel Drivers?
2:09:41
Speaker 2: Or was just just the steel Drivers? Yeah, he was
2:09:43
Speaker 2: just the lead singer for the steel Drivers and was
2:09:45
Speaker 2: righting a lot of that stuff too. But he was
2:09:49
Speaker 2: pretty famous in town amongst amongst writers and artists and stuff,
2:09:54
Speaker 2: and everyone was like, how is this guy not huge, dude?
2:09:57
Speaker 2: Because everyone was scared to take the risk man, Like
2:10:00
Speaker 2: it was like, I mean, I would be I would
2:10:03
Speaker 2: love to know the sort of how that CMA performance
2:10:05
Speaker 2: even came together, because it wasn't like he had some
2:10:08
Speaker 2: big deal, and it was like he was this new
2:10:11
Speaker 2: artist and everybody knows he's about to blow up, so
2:10:13
Speaker 2: let's put him in the CMA Awards. It's like, all
2:10:15
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's on there and you're like, is
2:10:17
Speaker 2: that Chris Stapleton? Like damn, that guy's badass, dude. Yeah,
2:10:21
Speaker 2: and then just everybody became country. It was I mean,
2:10:25
Speaker 2: it was, I mean, it really was, man, It was
2:10:27
Speaker 2: groundbreaking dude, and that was so cool as a fan
2:10:30
Speaker 2: of the genre and as a guy felt like guys
2:10:34
Speaker 2: would like myself didn't really get a chance at that time,
2:10:37
Speaker 2: Like you saw it and was like, oh this guy,
2:10:39
Speaker 2: Like I'm cheering for this guy, Like I don't care
2:10:41
Speaker 2: if it affects me or not, but like I'm pumped
2:10:43
Speaker 2: at this guy's getting because to me, I felt like
2:10:47
Speaker 2: at that time a little bit, I was a little
2:10:51
Speaker 2: bit like bummed out because I'm going, well, man, what's
2:10:55
Speaker 2: it take to get a chance? Dude? Like how good
2:10:57
Speaker 2: do you have to be? It would be like if
2:10:59
Speaker 2: everybody in the NBA had a twenty inch vertical and
2:11:02
Speaker 2: you had a forty five inch vertical and they were like, uhh,
2:11:05
Speaker 2: no jumping. You guy that jumps good, don't jump at all.
2:11:10
Speaker 2: Let these other guys jump. People like watching these guys jump.
2:11:13
Speaker 2: They're good, they're good looking guys. They jump okay, And
2:11:16
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, this fucker gets up and
2:11:18
Speaker 2: hits the fifty inch vertical and you're like, oh people
2:11:21
Speaker 2: can jump that high. Wow. Yeah yeah, And I was like,
2:11:24
Speaker 2: oh man, they might let me get it. They might
2:11:26
Speaker 2: let me get a jump in it. Jumping you know
2:11:28
Speaker 2: what I mean. I was like, now I might get
2:11:29
Speaker 2: a chance to show show myself a little bit.
2:11:32
Speaker 1: You know, were you ever like jaded to the situation
2:11:34
Speaker 1: before the script Chris Stapleton.
2:11:36
Speaker 2: Came up not too bad in some ways.
2:11:38
Speaker 1: You had to be this some extent. Everybody's got that piece,
2:11:41
Speaker 1: You're like, fuck that guy.
2:11:42
Speaker 2: Well, because there was a lot of like, there was
2:11:44
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who I felt like at that
2:11:47
Speaker 2: time and again, this is like, this is not the
2:11:50
Speaker 2: way I feel now, But the way I felt then
2:11:52
Speaker 2: was like man like I'm like, bro, like this is nice,
2:11:56
Speaker 2: not braggy. This is just the mindset of me at
2:11:59
Speaker 2: this time. Young dude feels like he can play ball
2:12:03
Speaker 2: with the best of them, going, I am a lot
2:12:05
Speaker 2: better than these other guys they're doing this, and like
2:12:08
Speaker 2: why like why can't I even get on the field.
2:12:10
Speaker 1: With these guys, which is the most normal thing.
2:12:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like I can hang like whatever, Like, let
2:12:16
Speaker 2: me up there and I'll show you what it's what
2:12:19
Speaker 2: playing ball looks like. Not that I'm the best guy
2:12:20
Speaker 2: in the world or anything, but I felt I had
2:12:23
Speaker 2: a supreme confidence in my ability to get up and
2:12:27
Speaker 2: sing and perform with anybody that was doing it or
2:12:30
Speaker 2: anybody that's doing it now, and maybe that's you know,
2:12:33
Speaker 2: maybe that's like oblivious, or maybe that's ridiculous to you.
2:12:37
Speaker 1: Just take it for better or worse.
2:12:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can. I can do at least get the
2:12:40
Speaker 2: same shot as everyone else. And I'm not getting that
2:12:43
Speaker 2: shot right now, and so I'm just gonna have to
2:12:45
Speaker 2: go earn my shot and make it myself. And so
2:12:48
Speaker 2: when Apa offered me that booking deal, I was like, dude,
2:12:50
Speaker 2: I'll do whatever, man like book me shows, cause I'm
2:12:52
Speaker 2: just gonna have to go prove to anybody and everybody
2:12:54
Speaker 2: that I can hang. And that was going out and
2:12:57
Speaker 2: playing shows. I knew if I played in a room
2:13:00
Speaker 2: of fifty people and I came back to that town
2:13:02
Speaker 2: the next year, there'd be one hundred or two hundred,
2:13:04
Speaker 2: And if I just kept doing that, it would just
2:13:07
Speaker 2: double or triple every time until we're playing in stadiums today.
2:13:13
Speaker 5: Just like you know, it's it's late night, you're about
2:13:16
Speaker 5: to go to bed, you're looking at yourself in the mirror,
2:13:17
Speaker 5: and you're like, it's time to get out steroids.
2:13:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, still.
2:13:23
Speaker 1: Yesterday's to reshape the phy.
2:13:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got be cool. Probably not like from a
2:13:32
Speaker 2: health standpoint in the long r but for the short
2:13:34
Speaker 2: term it would rip. Dude, I would be I'd be unbearable.
2:13:37
Speaker 2: I always tell that guy's a menister that get some testosterone.
2:13:45
Speaker 2: Always tell my buddies. I'm like, God made me fat
2:13:48
Speaker 2: for a reason because if I was in good shape,
2:13:50
Speaker 2: I would be miserable to be around. Like people would
2:13:54
Speaker 2: just be like, God, here was this guy again, and
2:13:57
Speaker 2: she's funny. He's definitely taking his shirt off.
2:14:00
Speaker 1: You know.
2:14:00
Speaker 2: It's just like, Mae, like, you would hate me if
2:14:03
Speaker 2: I was in good shape. But then I'm like, you
2:14:05
Speaker 2: see me and I'm rocking a three X shirt. You're like,
2:14:07
Speaker 2: you know what, Scot, I'm not worried that my my
2:14:10
Speaker 2: girlfriend's fall in love with this guy. She's not going
2:14:13
Speaker 2: to look at this guy love. You're not afraid of
2:14:16
Speaker 2: that guy. That guy's in the bar. That's not mister
2:14:18
Speaker 2: steel your girl right there.
2:14:20
Speaker 1: Dude.
2:14:20
Speaker 2: It just is it just is not you know what
2:14:23
Speaker 2: I mean. That's just the way it is, and that's
2:14:25
Speaker 2: okay with me.
2:14:25
Speaker 1: You know, before this Chris Stapleton twenty fifty, had you
2:14:31
Speaker 1: met Chris Stapleton before that.
2:14:33
Speaker 2: Had met him at this.
2:14:34
Speaker 1: So when you're getting to Nashville and your brain you're like.
2:14:37
Speaker 2: Well, I was there. I was already in town. I
2:14:39
Speaker 2: just like we were in different lead. So he was
2:14:41
Speaker 2: way above this. I've seen this AI picture of us
2:14:46
Speaker 2: beautiful that in a nice like, hey man, can we
2:14:52
Speaker 2: do a whole photo shoot together walking in the field. Yeah,
2:15:00
Speaker 2: between having a bunch of kids and stuff. I know
2:15:02
Speaker 2: we both got a bunch of kids, but like, let's
2:15:04
Speaker 2: go hang out man and just do it. Let's just
2:15:08
Speaker 2: do the thing. Yeah, that is nice. No one's making
2:15:14
Speaker 2: those those already existed.
2:15:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:15:17
Speaker 2: Wow, huh.
2:15:19
Speaker 1: It makes you think a little bit.
2:15:20
Speaker 2: Huh you think it's like a sex thing a little bit.
2:15:23
Speaker 2: You think there's someone that's like, I'm into like half
2:15:25
Speaker 2: to your guys on this, there's a category right there,
2:15:29
Speaker 2: for sure.
2:15:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure that makes that happen. Yeah, but when
2:15:32
Speaker 1: you're getting to Nashville, who are you?
2:15:34
Speaker 2: Who are you thinking?
2:15:35
Speaker 1: In your brain? I got to meet these people, and
2:15:37
Speaker 1: then when you learn the game and who, like I
2:15:39
Speaker 1: really got to meet these people.
2:15:41
Speaker 2: I think it was a lot of it for me
2:15:42
Speaker 2: with songwriters were the people that I wanted to meet
2:15:45
Speaker 2: because I knew that they could make me better, and
2:15:48
Speaker 2: I knew I could learn a lot from them, And
2:15:50
Speaker 2: that was my big focus at that time, was being
2:15:53
Speaker 2: the best I could be, so that I knew whenever
2:15:56
Speaker 2: I did get my shot, that I was even more
2:15:58
Speaker 2: prepared for it than I thought that I was. And
2:16:00
Speaker 2: I wanted to write people that were better than me,
2:16:03
Speaker 2: better singers, better guitar players, and basically everyone was you
2:16:07
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, there's a lot of really
2:16:10
Speaker 2: talented people in this town, man, and I think those
2:16:13
Speaker 2: were the people that I really gravitated towards. Was, man,
2:16:17
Speaker 2: how did this? You know? Like Jonathan Singleton is a
2:16:20
Speaker 2: dear friend of mine. He produces my records with me
2:16:23
Speaker 2: now and we own a publishing company together. He gave
2:16:25
Speaker 2: me my first publishing deal and when that happened, it
2:16:28
Speaker 2: was like a dream, Dude. I was like, this guy
2:16:30
Speaker 2: is like he's like one of my heroes, like one
2:16:32
Speaker 2: of my songwriting heroes. Like he's written all these I mean,
2:16:35
Speaker 2: his first cut was watching airplanes, Gary Allen, the first
2:16:38
Speaker 2: thing he ever got caught, you know.
2:16:39
Speaker 1: What I mean.
2:16:40
Speaker 2: And it's just he's written I mean twenty something number ones,
2:16:44
Speaker 2: maybe thirty, close to thirty now or something a decent
2:16:48
Speaker 2: amount of which we've written together with each other, and
2:16:50
Speaker 2: a few we've written for other people together. And just
2:16:53
Speaker 2: being able to be in rooms with those people, man,
2:16:55
Speaker 2: is like, it's just that's my favorite thing to do.
2:16:58
Speaker 2: Is like to not like to go into a room
2:17:02
Speaker 2: and know, I never think I'm the best guy in
2:17:05
Speaker 2: the room, man, Like, that to me is the wrong attitude.
2:17:07
Speaker 2: Like what can I learn from this person? How can
2:17:10
Speaker 2: this person make me better? How can I be there?
2:17:13
Speaker 2: Be there for them if they're not having their best
2:17:15
Speaker 2: day in the writing room, Like like, how can I
2:17:17
Speaker 2: be a good team player? Man? And the thing I
2:17:19
Speaker 2: love about writing songs is it really is a collaborative thing.
2:17:22
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot of people who can write really
2:17:24
Speaker 2: great songs by themselves, you know, and I've done that myself,
2:17:28
Speaker 2: but it's I like the process of us doing it together,
2:17:32
Speaker 2: man Like, that's the thing that I derive a lot
2:17:34
Speaker 2: of joy from because then we can all I guess
2:17:38
Speaker 2: back to the first record, man, my first seven singles,
2:17:41
Speaker 2: it was everyone that wrote on them's first number one song.
2:17:44
Speaker 2: And that's that's not just seven people, it's like fourteen people.
2:17:48
Speaker 2: So it's like everybody's break was like we did it all.
2:17:51
Speaker 2: We all did it together, you know, and that's the
2:17:54
Speaker 2: that's like you can't even you know, you can't recreate that,
2:17:57
Speaker 2: man like because now all those people basically have full
2:18:01
Speaker 2: time songwriting gigs and have written number one songs for
2:18:05
Speaker 2: other people. And that was like their break as much
2:18:08
Speaker 2: as it was mine was getting and I take a
2:18:10
Speaker 2: lot of pride and I have a lot of joy,
2:18:13
Speaker 2: you know from being able to like not only make
2:18:17
Speaker 2: my own dreams come true, but help my friends accomplish
2:18:20
Speaker 2: their goals too, you know, because if we if we can't,
2:18:23
Speaker 2: if we don't have each other, like what do we have?
2:18:25
Speaker 2: You know, like doing it all by yourself would just
2:18:26
Speaker 2: be you know, be kind of like, well, who do
2:18:29
Speaker 2: you even talk to about it? You know, like who
2:18:31
Speaker 2: are you even excited? Who's even excited about it? If
2:18:33
Speaker 2: you don't have anybody to call and go? You know,
2:18:35
Speaker 2: you have the number one party with your you know,
2:18:37
Speaker 2: your best buddies in town. I mean that's like awesome.
2:18:40
Speaker 2: You know, it's dream come true stuff. You know.
2:18:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's been your aside from this album? It's been
2:18:47
Speaker 5: your favorite.
2:18:48
Speaker 2: Album to write? Oh, Fathers and Sons for me, And
2:18:52
Speaker 2: there's no question I don't think it will ever, you know,
2:18:54
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what I do. Man.
2:18:56
Speaker 4: Now.
2:18:57
Speaker 2: You know it's look like I have high blood pressure
2:19:00
Speaker 2: and hang out with my kids, you know what I mean.
2:19:03
Speaker 2: It's like that's kind of my deal right now.
2:19:06
Speaker 1: And you know I love to tell you in too,
2:19:08
Speaker 1: with like the relationship you had with your dad.
2:19:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, it's like I mean, it's you know, it's
2:19:13
Speaker 2: I mean, parenting is is a difficult thing. You know.
2:19:16
Speaker 2: It's like there's no there's no playbook for it. I mean,
2:19:20
Speaker 2: everybody's version of right and wrong ways of doing it
2:19:22
Speaker 2: are different, and how everybody approaches it is different. And
2:19:26
Speaker 2: you know, I just wanted my kids to know when
2:19:28
Speaker 2: they're older, obviously even now, but even when I made
2:19:32
Speaker 2: this record, not old enough to understand it. Like, my
2:19:35
Speaker 2: kids are just getting to like where they don't want
2:19:37
Speaker 2: me to go places before they just be like I'm
2:19:39
Speaker 2: leaving and they're like, Okay, we'll get the fuck out
2:19:41
Speaker 2: of here. Why are you telling me like I'm playing
2:19:44
Speaker 2: I'm playing magnetiles, dude, get like magnet so hard. Kids
2:19:48
Speaker 2: all they want to do is smash them though, dude,
2:19:51
Speaker 2: But they don't want to the ages of three and
2:19:54
Speaker 2: a half, two and a half and do in a month. Congratulations, bro,
2:20:00
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. Yes, I went with you on that.
2:20:02
Speaker 5: I have a three and a one year old, and
2:20:04
Speaker 5: a three year old is now like it's she gets
2:20:06
Speaker 5: very heartbroken when you're leaving.
2:20:08
Speaker 2: It sucks. My kids asked me all day because I
2:20:11
Speaker 2: was just in l A for a week doing some
2:20:13
Speaker 2: album stuff and my oldest son text was like, he's
2:20:16
Speaker 2: like that, are you going to work today? And I
2:20:18
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I'm going to work. He's like, are
2:20:19
Speaker 2: you going to work on a plane And I was like, no,
2:20:22
Speaker 2: I'm just going in my truck, buddy, I'm not. I'm
2:20:24
Speaker 2: not getting on the plane. Like I'll be back.
2:20:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
2:20:28
Speaker 2: He's worried that I'm like not going to be back.
2:20:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:20:31
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, are you calling like we're build magnetiles, bro,
2:20:34
Speaker 2: we are we doing airtubes or not? Like we're doing
2:20:36
Speaker 2: air tubes you know. I'm like, yeah, man, we're doing
2:20:39
Speaker 2: air tubes.
2:20:40
Speaker 1: I got an eight to five year old a little
2:20:41
Speaker 1: bit older. Yeah, but we get in those magnetiles still
2:20:43
Speaker 1: to this day.
2:20:44
Speaker 2: I bet it. It's really wild.
2:20:46
Speaker 1: You got a full skyscrapers going on farms and farms
2:20:50
Speaker 1: we got wed yeah.
2:20:51
Speaker 2: We got like lions. Now we're starting to get into
2:20:54
Speaker 2: the more obscure magnetiles.
2:20:56
Speaker 10: Now, see I think, yeah, you know, to me, can
2:20:58
Speaker 10: I be honest with you, Yeah, kind of a waste magnetos, No,
2:21:02
Speaker 10: the little different theme because to me, it's like the
2:21:05
Speaker 10: more that like mantos are a quantity over quality game,
2:21:09
Speaker 10: Like you want as many magtels as possible. I want
2:21:11
Speaker 10: to make the biggest, tallest Yeah, I want to drive
2:21:14
Speaker 10: again building and when I have like little girl castle
2:21:18
Speaker 10: ones that kind of it's kind.
2:21:18
Speaker 5: Of throw It's like it's not like like unique shapes,
2:21:22
Speaker 5: just get just give us a square.
2:21:24
Speaker 1: Give me the big squares, give me the long squares.
2:21:26
Speaker 1: I need the big squares.
2:21:28
Speaker 2: Triangles, Bro, why do we even have the triangles?
2:21:30
Speaker 7: Yeah?
2:21:31
Speaker 2: Terrible, terrible.
2:21:32
Speaker 5: Then you gotta kind of like, yeah, you're like a
2:21:36
Speaker 5: little bit like I want to do it. I'm like, sweetheart,
2:21:39
Speaker 5: just carefully lean this one into the point.
2:21:42
Speaker 2: Of the other one.
2:21:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:21:44
Speaker 2: Like there's like the there's like the obtuse triangle that
2:21:47
Speaker 2: doesn't even make a square when you put two of
2:21:49
Speaker 2: them together, and you're like why did they make these? Right?
2:21:52
Speaker 2: And you think your all just make a cool little
2:21:54
Speaker 2: like like long triangles are chill. Small triangles are chill.
2:21:58
Speaker 2: But then there's the weird try angle that doesn't fit
2:22:03
Speaker 2: right there that one could make a square. It might
2:22:06
Speaker 2: be the small ones I got because they don't. There's
2:22:09
Speaker 2: ones that don't make a square. There's ones that don't
2:22:12
Speaker 2: make a square. That's I know, I'm not crazy. There's
2:22:14
Speaker 2: ones that don't make a square, like the top right,
2:22:18
Speaker 2: but then the top of the castle. My kids just
2:22:20
Speaker 2: want to smash them. Yeah, they just want the tallest
2:22:22
Speaker 2: one I can make and then knock it over.
2:22:25
Speaker 1: I don't know if your kids are too young for
2:22:26
Speaker 1: this yet, but or how you were as a child,
2:22:28
Speaker 1: But I was big into legos. Legos. Were you give
2:22:31
Speaker 1: adhd big time? You put me in a room with legos,
2:22:34
Speaker 1: I'm good for two hours, yep.
2:22:36
Speaker 2: I would love to get into that.
2:22:37
Speaker 1: I was never like a Lego kid.
2:22:38
Speaker 2: I was like Lincoln Logs.
2:22:40
Speaker 1: Lincoln Logs, there's only a fineite man of things you
2:22:42
Speaker 1: can do with Lincoln Logs, Like you have the whole
2:22:44
Speaker 1: world at your feet. When it comes to legos especially,
2:22:46
Speaker 1: they have like these same.
2:22:48
Speaker 5: Right, like the very detailed like you could build like
2:22:50
Speaker 5: model like like you can build like the Death Star dude.
2:22:54
Speaker 2: The Millennial Falcon.
2:22:56
Speaker 1: Dude. I have the Titanic. I've been working out for
2:22:58
Speaker 1: two years off and it's still.
2:23:00
Speaker 2: My manager has a Lego room in his house. Bro.
2:23:04
Speaker 1: Kind of dope, kind of dope, kind of dope.
2:23:06
Speaker 2: I wish I had that much time.
2:23:07
Speaker 1: But my kids are bigging than Harry Potter, so we
2:23:09
Speaker 1: do the Harry Potter one, the Lego one.
2:23:10
Speaker 2: What I love about it, it's crazy.
2:23:13
Speaker 1: What I love about is they're into it, but they
2:23:15
Speaker 1: they're only into it for thirty minutes and then they're like,
2:23:17
Speaker 1: do you mind, dad, if you finish this something like
2:23:19
Speaker 1: and you I don't.
2:23:20
Speaker 3: You know what.
2:23:21
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to do that, but I
2:23:23
Speaker 2: will for the family, for the kid, this sacrifice for
2:23:26
Speaker 2: the kid, the whole thing, just for the kids, you
2:23:29
Speaker 2: know what I mean. That's what had How long is
2:23:32
Speaker 2: that taking you to build a room by myself? A day?
2:23:37
Speaker 2: A day at least if you have the whole day.
2:23:40
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, way longer than that. I'm saying three to
2:23:42
Speaker 1: five days. Three to five is the magic number of
2:23:46
Speaker 1: this this day. Yeah.
2:23:52
Speaker 2: For the snow coming up, there's snow coming up. Oh.
2:23:54
Speaker 1: We had a full conversation about it.
2:23:56
Speaker 2: The are you a snow day guy? Oh, I love
2:23:58
Speaker 2: a snow snow that's a good that's a clean take.
2:24:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a clean Everyone likes h snow day, no doubt. Yeah,
2:24:05
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. How do you feel about
2:24:07
Speaker 1: snow after two weeks?
2:24:10
Speaker 2: You see you're a Michigan guy, so no, Hey, he's
2:24:13
Speaker 2: an Arizona boy in Arizona. But what what were we
2:24:16
Speaker 2: thinking of snow days in Michigan?
2:24:18
Speaker 1: I was thinking I want to put a gun in
2:24:19
Speaker 1: my mouth, like.
2:24:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're like brutal. This is Yeah. They can't
2:24:24
Speaker 2: change it, dude, because that one day awesome? Yeah, day
2:24:28
Speaker 2: two back to school, bro, get out. I'm done sledd
2:24:35
Speaker 2: and it's cold. Your mom's tired, I'm tired, clean nobody
2:24:39
Speaker 2: wants to go.
2:24:42
Speaker 1: JP brought up a good He's like, three to five
2:24:44
Speaker 1: days of snow is the move because I get with
2:24:47
Speaker 1: the kids. How excited they get you the snowman. You
2:24:50
Speaker 1: go on the sleds yep. But then we got to
2:24:52
Speaker 1: go back in the house. We can take the boots off.
2:24:54
Speaker 1: I have to got fifteen layers and we got to
2:24:55
Speaker 1: put fifteen layers back on to go back outside.
2:24:57
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, and not to mention you're only outside
2:24:59
Speaker 2: for like twenty min Yeah, but they can't the second
2:25:01
Speaker 2: there's snow in the pants or in the shirt moment
2:25:04
Speaker 2: to come just crying their hands. They don't want their
2:25:07
Speaker 2: gloves on, but their hands are cold.
2:25:09
Speaker 1: Right, and they don't know that.
2:25:10
Speaker 8: And the.
2:25:12
Speaker 2: House. Yeah, if having the gloves on, my hands will
2:25:15
Speaker 2: be cold. But I'm magined my hands are cold, but
2:25:17
Speaker 2: I'm also mags have gloves on. You can't win, dude.
2:25:20
Speaker 1: So obviously you're very familiar with the transfer.
2:25:22
Speaker 2: Portal, yes, and how it all works.
2:25:24
Speaker 1: Yes, if the transfer portal existed in two thousand and nine,
2:25:27
Speaker 1: my freshman year of college, that first snowfall, I would
2:25:31
Speaker 1: be gone. Yeah, I would be a portal guy.
2:25:34
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's freshman year two thousand and nine, so
2:25:38
Speaker 2: we're same age then, thirty four, thirty five, thirty six.
2:25:43
Speaker 2: I'll be thirty six next month, so have not the
2:25:47
Speaker 2: same age. Those are your okay, graduate high school and
2:25:50
Speaker 2: nine graduate high school. Okay, I'm wait I was eight Yeah, eite, baby,
2:25:56
Speaker 2: keeping it alive. Yeah, soon, there's not many of us left,
2:26:01
Speaker 2: you know what I mean yeah, yeah, he's just quickly
2:26:08
Speaker 2: approaching the day when people are like, man, dude, my
2:26:11
Speaker 2: dad was one of the nineteen hundreds. Bro, that's not
2:26:14
Speaker 2: gonna happen. Dude. We're gonna be those guys. Yeah, our
2:26:17
Speaker 2: kids are gonna be like, dude, I can't believe that
2:26:19
Speaker 2: guy was around in nineteen hundred, like nineteen ninety, that
2:26:22
Speaker 2: guy was old. Yeah, that's that weird. It is old.
2:26:26
Speaker 1: I see things on Instagram where they go up to
2:26:28
Speaker 1: kids like, hey, how old is old? If like, oh,
2:26:31
Speaker 1: if you're born in two thousand year old, it's like
2:26:33
Speaker 1: two thousand, Yes, that was nine.
2:26:36
Speaker 2: Damn twenty five. They think twenty five is old.
2:26:38
Speaker 1: I guess so, man, these kids just you know, these
2:26:41
Speaker 1: kids are lost generation is what they protecting their.
2:26:45
Speaker 2: Brains from concussions.
2:26:46
Speaker 1: Dude, believing in concussion believe it was unbelievable.
2:26:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just crazy word dude, dude. Yeah, it's great.
2:26:55
Speaker 2: And also Will was born in eighty nine, oh, nineteen
2:27:00
Speaker 2: eighty nine. Yeah, then I feel discussed.
2:27:02
Speaker 1: It does.
2:27:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels antique. Yes, you're vintage a lot of patina,
2:27:09
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, yeah, patina wild.
2:27:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, man, yeah, I get snow days are
2:27:16
Speaker 1: I love snow days as soon as we get to
2:27:18
Speaker 1: do snow week.
2:27:19
Speaker 2: Wow, snow weeks tough. In Nashville. It's it's a snow week, dude,
2:27:23
Speaker 2: Like they're shutting down like Michigan there like whatever, let's
2:27:26
Speaker 2: just get it to work, dude, no doubt. Well Boon
2:27:31
Speaker 2: was the same way.
2:27:31
Speaker 3: Man.
2:27:31
Speaker 2: It was like if it snowed up there, it was
2:27:32
Speaker 2: like big whoop, dude, you get the class. Yeah. Yeah,
2:27:34
Speaker 2: unless the buses couldn't run. Spoiler alert. If you're going
2:27:37
Speaker 2: to Upstate, the buses always can run. The genetically engineered
2:27:42
Speaker 2: the buses to always run, and so you're never getting
2:27:45
Speaker 2: any snow days up there.
2:27:46
Speaker 1: So your freshman year of college was eight.
2:27:50
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's coming next, don't you.
2:27:52
Speaker 1: I know what's coming. That was actually my senior year
2:27:55
Speaker 1: of high school rather get it actually really worst part
2:27:57
Speaker 1: of it.
2:27:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've got the jersey what what the
2:28:02
Speaker 2: one what jersey ARMANI Edwards game jersey? No way. Yeah.
2:28:09
Speaker 2: See that's a real crazy tail hold in the jersey smiling.
2:28:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like brought that up, like I went to State.
2:28:19
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I was in high school now.
2:28:21
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say anything. You knew. You knew.
2:28:24
Speaker 1: You brought it up, said you said, oh you were
2:28:26
Speaker 1: a Michigan guy. I see your hand. You get a
2:28:28
Speaker 1: beautiful brain. Your brain still functions fully, and I can keep.
2:28:31
Speaker 2: Up with that.
2:28:33
Speaker 1: I could keep up with it.
2:28:34
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's in like it's it was inevitable,
2:28:38
Speaker 2: it was going to happen. Yeah, you know, I wouldn't
2:28:41
Speaker 2: have said anything. Were you were, Like, were you a
2:28:43
Speaker 2: big F state college football fan? I was, yeah, because
2:28:45
Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to go to school there. Did
2:28:48
Speaker 2: you know Jeremy Kimbro, Yeah he was playing there. Yeah
2:28:53
Speaker 2: he was undrafted. He was on the Redskins with me.
2:28:55
Speaker 5: But dude, he was He was a dude, Yeah he's
2:28:58
Speaker 5: I think he works on it like a nast car
2:29:00
Speaker 5: pit crew.
2:29:00
Speaker 2: Now a lot of those guys do.
2:29:04
Speaker 5: He was like, maybe he might have like the career
2:29:07
Speaker 5: record for Tag, there's a chance it was a monster.
2:29:10
Speaker 2: He was. We've had some We've had some good players
2:29:12
Speaker 2: in and out. Man, that the transfer portal era has
2:29:16
Speaker 2: really crushed a school like ours. Man, it's really tough,
2:29:20
Speaker 2: like you have to become ready. I wouldn't say I
2:29:24
Speaker 2: wouldn't go that far, you know, but it's it's like,
2:29:29
Speaker 2: I don't know now, it's before it was like you
2:29:32
Speaker 2: get all these undersize, under recruited guys and it was listen,
2:29:36
Speaker 2: I love that the guys can put money. Oh my god,
2:29:39
Speaker 2: it's beautiful, dude, Jesus. And it's just you see it
2:29:42
Speaker 2: in the fall, Dude, it is even crazier.
2:29:44
Speaker 1: Put that thing in the fall for me, buddy.
2:29:46
Speaker 2: You don't even have to AI at some places, you
2:29:48
Speaker 2: don't even have to aig. It's that beautiful, dude.
2:29:52
Speaker 1: That's real.
2:29:53
Speaker 2: That's real. Yeah, that's a real spot. And uh, it
2:29:57
Speaker 2: was great going to school there. So then the Michigan
2:29:59
Speaker 2: game was my scene year of high school and I
2:30:02
Speaker 2: was I knew I was. I was trying to go
2:30:03
Speaker 2: to app I didn't know if I was like gonna
2:30:05
Speaker 2: get in or not. Yeah, there's the baseball field insane.
2:30:09
Speaker 1: That filter, that's a crazy filter.
2:30:12
Speaker 2: But it's been The transfer thing has really hurt us, man,
2:30:16
Speaker 2: because we don't have a ton of like there's not
2:30:18
Speaker 2: a ton of money coming in and out school. I'm
2:30:21
Speaker 2: not donating. I'm not donating. I feel like I need
2:30:24
Speaker 2: some concessions. What do you want? I need some assurances.
2:30:29
Speaker 2: Were you giving someone a good chunk dude to come
2:30:33
Speaker 2: there for a season.
2:30:35
Speaker 1: A podcast right now and an app state person might
2:30:38
Speaker 1: come across this clip right now for you to donate
2:30:41
Speaker 1: to applash the state. What do you what do you need?
2:30:46
Speaker 2: Player contracts?
2:30:47
Speaker 1: Two years? Gotta have it, two years, gotta have it,
2:30:50
Speaker 1: guarantee you have to have it.
2:30:51
Speaker 2: One year is not enough because if they got well,
2:30:55
Speaker 2: it's not even that, it's more like but.
2:31:00
Speaker 1: Knowing it's likes so wild wild thing.
2:31:05
Speaker 2: That's weird to think about, man getting into some dicey water.
2:31:11
Speaker 1: There.
2:31:12
Speaker 2: But listen, Yeah, dude, I'm freaking out there there paid
2:31:18
Speaker 2: for close. Those eyes are, dude, are so close. It's crazy, dude.
2:31:25
Speaker 2: But dude, I love I mean, I'm die hard at Man.
2:31:28
Speaker 2: We had a really tough season this season, the worst
2:31:31
Speaker 2: season I've seen in a long time. And I just
2:31:34
Speaker 2: don't know. I just don't know that in the portal
2:31:38
Speaker 2: era that we're in now that a school like us
2:31:41
Speaker 2: and this is gonna be such a hot take. I'm
2:31:43
Speaker 2: gonna get absolutely viserty to buy our fans. I would
2:31:46
Speaker 2: love to see us go back down to FCS because
2:31:50
Speaker 2: then there's a chance that you win a national championship.
2:31:53
Speaker 2: I mean, your best. The best thing that can happen
2:31:55
Speaker 2: to us is get beat by Oregon by fifty points, Bud.
2:31:59
Speaker 2: That's that you and singing.
2:32:01
Speaker 1: You were singing to me right now.
2:32:03
Speaker 2: It's the best thing we got, dude, is State won,
2:32:07
Speaker 2: like w don't it barely?
2:32:11
Speaker 5: That was barely, dude.
2:32:13
Speaker 2: That's not even a highlight of the season, dude. Or
2:32:16
Speaker 2: he got a G five playoff, right, which is get
2:32:20
Speaker 2: beat by Oregon by sixty points. But I'm saying five
2:32:23
Speaker 2: had their own playoff. I've been preaching this for a while.
2:32:27
Speaker 2: Group of five like can make it a whole different
2:32:29
Speaker 2: league basically, Yeah, group of five national champion, power five
2:32:33
Speaker 2: national champion something five.
2:32:37
Speaker 1: They hate it too. He's there like one of us
2:32:40
Speaker 1: is saying this, which breaks there.
2:32:41
Speaker 2: No, it's and listen, dude, it would be cool and
2:32:44
Speaker 2: it brings. But the the amount of pr that we
2:32:47
Speaker 2: got from winning those three national championships at the FCS
2:32:51
Speaker 2: level and the Michigan game is huge, Dude. That was
2:32:56
Speaker 2: so going in to that year, Like I think app
2:32:59
Speaker 2: State it was the hardest school in North Carolina to
2:33:01
Speaker 2: get in behind Duke that year because so many people
2:33:05
Speaker 2: applied and wanted to go to school there just because
2:33:07
Speaker 2: of those games. And now to know that we won't
2:33:11
Speaker 2: have those games anymore where it won't like we won't
2:33:14
Speaker 2: ever get to touch or taste that thing, and that
2:33:17
Speaker 2: was enough for me. I love that we are Division one.
2:33:20
Speaker 2: It's cool to me, Like, I'm so proud to have
2:33:23
Speaker 2: went to school there and I want to be a
2:33:25
Speaker 2: part of that. But I mean, like again, dude, like
2:33:29
Speaker 2: I think that sometimes, like people think I'm Jeff Bezos too,
2:33:33
Speaker 2: like where they're like, dude, give us ten million dollars
2:33:36
Speaker 2: and I'm like what, I'm like, who do you eat?
2:33:40
Speaker 2: The Hold on a second, dude, let's reevaluate the thing.
2:33:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, you show you showed me a full bick account there.
2:33:46
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, we're not. This is crazy.
2:33:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about like ten thousand? We think about that?
2:33:52
Speaker 2: Does that get you going or what? You know? I mean,
2:33:54
Speaker 2: it's like, I mean I would want to, but it
2:33:57
Speaker 2: would be really hard to know that, you know, the
2:34:00
Speaker 2: the the players that you're helping are also going to
2:34:03
Speaker 2: ultimately leave because you know, you think about I mean,
2:34:07
Speaker 2: app State doesn't win three national championships in the poor
2:34:10
Speaker 2: l Era, They win one and then all the players
2:34:13
Speaker 2: leave and go somewhere else, and then you start over.
2:34:15
Speaker 2: We start over every single year. Dude, who's even on
2:34:18
Speaker 2: the team. They don't even know any of the guys
2:34:21
Speaker 2: on the team. There's like two guys from last season
2:34:24
Speaker 2: on the whole team. And how do you develop? Like
2:34:26
Speaker 2: how does your fan base not feel robbed every single year?
2:34:30
Speaker 2: And not that they're doing anything that anyone else isn't doing.
2:34:33
Speaker 2: It's it's like that everywhere, even at the bigger schools.
2:34:36
Speaker 2: It's like one guy gets mad at his position coach
2:34:39
Speaker 2: and doesn't get to play one game with the fucking
2:34:41
Speaker 2: I'm transferring then, Like what kind of precedent is that
2:34:43
Speaker 2: setting for these kids too? Man? Like that that's not
2:34:46
Speaker 2: the way life works, dude, Like it's just not a
2:34:48
Speaker 2: sustainable model for even the rest of your life, let
2:34:52
Speaker 2: alone your football career. You know. But it's the I mean,
2:34:55
Speaker 2: it's the I mean, that's the world we live in
2:34:57
Speaker 2: right now. So you got to figure it out. But
2:34:58
Speaker 2: I think there does need to be some something needs
2:35:01
Speaker 2: to change at some point. And when when that changes,
2:35:03
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, your preacher right now, it's
2:35:06
Speaker 2: a bigger conversation, you know, So I'd you become a
2:35:09
Speaker 2: how'd you become a a Georgia fan? I'm not. You know,
2:35:14
Speaker 2: there's a big misconception that I'm a Georgia fan, that
2:35:17
Speaker 2: I have sec allegiances. I don't have any particular address.
2:35:21
Speaker 1: These by a Georgia bulldog. Wow, you were Georgia.
2:35:27
Speaker 2: Interesting. That's interesting. I'm trying to cause I've been waiting
2:35:31
Speaker 2: to go public with this for a long time. And listen,
2:35:36
Speaker 2: my kids, they can go to school wherever they want,
2:35:39
Speaker 2: as long as it's app state, they can go there.
2:35:42
Speaker 2: Enough they will be going there whether they like it
2:35:44
Speaker 2: or not. But say my children do go to another
2:35:47
Speaker 2: school against my own, will you know which there would
2:35:50
Speaker 2: be allowed to if it came down to it. But
2:35:52
Speaker 2: I feel like i'm as a as a young fan.
2:35:57
Speaker 2: I'm diehard Carolina Panthers guy. That's my thing. It has
2:36:01
Speaker 2: been forever. I'm five years old. I'm living in Charlotte
2:36:05
Speaker 2: when they become a team, right, like, I am washed
2:36:07
Speaker 2: in the blood of the Panthers. It just has to
2:36:09
Speaker 2: be that way. Yeah, and there was there's no going back.
2:36:13
Speaker 2: But I didn't have growing up in North Carolina. You
2:36:16
Speaker 2: don't really my dad. My dad liked NFL he's from Ohio.
2:36:19
Speaker 2: He liked the Browns and the Browns went away and
2:36:22
Speaker 2: he became a Panthers fan when the Panthers became a team.
2:36:26
Speaker 2: So we did it. My dad didn't go to college
2:36:28
Speaker 2: and my mom went to Western Carolina for like a semester,
2:36:32
Speaker 2: so I didn't have a lot of this. So we
2:36:33
Speaker 2: didn't have like I didn't have this big like power
2:36:36
Speaker 2: five thing in our house where it was like a
2:36:40
Speaker 2: house divided, like you know, like we didn't have that.
2:36:43
Speaker 2: So I did to create that on my own, which
2:36:45
Speaker 2: is I'm an app state guy, ride or die, no
2:36:47
Speaker 2: matter what. But it's like I almost feel like I've
2:36:50
Speaker 2: been like where do I want my kids to be?
2:36:53
Speaker 2: Like I want my kids to have a chance to
2:36:54
Speaker 2: win a Nattie as a fan, Like how do I
2:36:57
Speaker 2: do that?
2:36:57
Speaker 3: With?
2:36:58
Speaker 2: Who do you pick? It's like everyone has been so
2:37:03
Speaker 2: great to us. We played games everywhere, and you know,
2:37:07
Speaker 2: it's hard to kind of like it's scary to pick
2:37:10
Speaker 2: one because then you're there, you know what I mean.
2:37:12
Speaker 2: But I feel like it's time, like my kids are
2:37:14
Speaker 2: gonna like football in the next like two or three years,
2:37:17
Speaker 2: and like I can just getting afraid of the light
2:37:19
Speaker 2: at the end of the tunnel as it creeps ever
2:37:21
Speaker 2: closer to being like, we are this fan of this thing, right,
2:37:26
Speaker 2: and they're not gonna all they know We've been a fan.
2:37:29
Speaker 2: I've been a fan of my whole life, you know
2:37:31
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like I want them to have
2:37:32
Speaker 2: that experience of like going to a game, you know
2:37:37
Speaker 2: at you know, Sanford Stadium or wherever, the big house
2:37:41
Speaker 2: and like feeling like a part of that. I've been
2:37:43
Speaker 2: to a ton of those games, but I'm not, like,
2:37:46
Speaker 2: it's not the same as if you go and you've
2:37:49
Speaker 2: been a Michigan Van your whole life. But like, I
2:37:51
Speaker 2: want that for my kids because I didn't have that
2:37:55
Speaker 2: same thing. I had the app State thing that was
2:37:58
Speaker 2: beautiful and it was I wouldn't trade it for the world.
2:38:00
Speaker 2: And my kids will be at State fans, no choice.
2:38:03
Speaker 2: But like, but you ain't winning a Natty at f State,
2:38:08
Speaker 2: It's right?
2:38:10
Speaker 1: Yeah?
2:38:10
Speaker 2: Is that where Georgia came in at What's the Dress?
2:38:13
Speaker 2: I got? So one of my best friends in the
2:38:15
Speaker 2: world was a grad assistant at Georgia. We wrote When
2:38:20
Speaker 2: It Rains the Ports together. We've written a couple of
2:38:22
Speaker 2: number ones together. SAME's ray Fulcher you guys may have
2:38:24
Speaker 2: run across. And he's a great dude who lives here
2:38:26
Speaker 2: in town and he was a he was a student
2:38:30
Speaker 2: assistant there like when like Stafford was there, Uh, like
2:38:34
Speaker 2: David Pollock years and that kind of stuff. So he's like,
2:38:38
Speaker 2: what do you jump in front of a bus for
2:38:40
Speaker 2: Kirby smart? Like right now if I called him, I
2:38:43
Speaker 2: was like, dude, Kirby's Kirby's gonna flat tires and he's
2:38:46
Speaker 2: in Miami. He's like, I'm driving, I'm there, Like he
2:38:50
Speaker 2: is absolutely in and uh. But like just seeing people
2:38:54
Speaker 2: that have that passion for that, and I've I've just
2:38:57
Speaker 2: inherently like become friends with a lot of people who
2:38:59
Speaker 2: are our big time Georgia fans. And so ultimately, like
2:39:03
Speaker 2: we did, I did a show in Athens this year
2:39:05
Speaker 2: for I have a sponsorship with Columbia Sportswear, and I
2:39:09
Speaker 2: did an underplay at the Georgia Theater this year like
2:39:12
Speaker 2: a surprise show, like we announced it the morning of
2:39:15
Speaker 2: the show, uh, and then did College Game Day. Actually
2:39:19
Speaker 2: Bailey Zimmerman was the musical guest, but I was in town,
2:39:22
Speaker 2: so we came into a song we have together for
2:39:25
Speaker 2: that and I've had some great, great memories in Athens. Man,
2:39:28
Speaker 2: it is a really fun town. But I'm getting down
2:39:31
Speaker 2: to like Heaven depict and I feel like I'm gonna
2:39:33
Speaker 2: have to like make an announcement at some point. I
2:39:36
Speaker 2: am this fan, dude, you know what I mean? Like
2:39:40
Speaker 2: do I need like do we need the hats out? So,
2:39:45
Speaker 2: like I know I'm gonna have that APP state hat on.
2:39:47
Speaker 2: It's gonna be known that that's number one. Dude, Like, hope,
2:39:51
Speaker 2: hope whoever team doesn't.
2:39:52
Speaker 1: Play APP, right, this is your giving my kids, Hope.
2:39:55
Speaker 2: This is like giving my kids Like it's like like
2:39:59
Speaker 2: SEC Big ten kind of like that whole thing. Give
2:40:02
Speaker 2: them that experience.
2:40:03
Speaker 1: Do you lean one way or the other on SEC
2:40:05
Speaker 1: or Big ten? And we're just have this. This is
2:40:07
Speaker 1: now gone from a podcast. We're just thinking about what's
2:40:09
Speaker 1: best for your children.
2:40:11
Speaker 2: What I and what it feels too, is your your
2:40:13
Speaker 2: a state number one ride or die? But now you're
2:40:16
Speaker 2: trying to choose a fandom of who could potentially win
2:40:20
Speaker 2: a national title in their lives. I'm not going to
2:40:23
Speaker 2: be the guy that's like I'm gonna just who's winning
2:40:25
Speaker 2: a bunch of them. Let's just be fans of them
2:40:28
Speaker 2: like I want him to have some misery. They need
2:40:30
Speaker 2: some misery in their lives.
2:40:32
Speaker 1: Let me introduce you to the twenty twenty five Michigan Wolf. Okay,
2:40:37
Speaker 1: that's that's right, that's your school right there. Three head
2:40:43
Speaker 1: coach leaves a bunch of allegations of whether they cheated
2:40:46
Speaker 1: or a lot of things going on. Bad year seven
2:40:48
Speaker 1: and five, we get the number one quarterback in the
2:40:51
Speaker 1: all of college football or a high school football. They
2:40:53
Speaker 1: say he's the greatest thing of all time. He has
2:40:55
Speaker 1: an underwhelming year this year. Turns out he never had
2:40:58
Speaker 1: a quarterback coach. Head coach allegedly having an affair with
2:41:02
Speaker 1: somebody wild stuff.
2:41:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:41:03
Speaker 1: He Kyle Whittingham from Utah, who spent twenty seven years
2:41:09
Speaker 1: as the head coach of Utah, comes over, retains his roster,
2:41:13
Speaker 1: has a top sixteen portal. I think they just came
2:41:15
Speaker 1: out with a number eleven overall roster, one of the
2:41:18
Speaker 1: youngest teams in the Big Ten.
2:41:19
Speaker 2: Saying there's hope.
2:41:21
Speaker 1: I'm saying there's hope. I'm not saying there's hope. I'm
2:41:23
Speaker 1: saying there's opportunity.
2:41:24
Speaker 2: There's no way I'm not getting boot out of that
2:41:26
Speaker 2: stadium because I'm showing up in app stuff every game.
2:41:30
Speaker 2: I can never get over it.
2:41:31
Speaker 1: That's it.
2:41:31
Speaker 2: They've ruined it, like they've ruined it.
2:41:33
Speaker 1: Like you know, you know what, that's probably best you're
2:41:36
Speaker 1: not with us because when he said you're getting boot out, like, yeah,
2:41:39
Speaker 1: he's probably right that stadium.
2:41:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, you'd be a good corn Husker. You
2:41:44
Speaker 2: thinks so a good corn Husk. So I feel like
2:41:47
Speaker 2: right now, my biggest the thing against me is time
2:41:50
Speaker 2: and accessibility to games, you know what I mean? Like
2:41:54
Speaker 2: I live in Tennessee, Like my kids are from Tennessee. Yeah,
2:41:59
Speaker 2: do they need to be NAE fans? Like that's where
2:42:01
Speaker 2: they grew up? Like I think, what school erbil guy?
2:42:06
Speaker 2: Some more of a public school guy though, I like that,
2:42:09
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like like a college basketball.
2:42:13
Speaker 1: That's public school.
2:42:16
Speaker 2: Because I'm basketball tar Heels guy growing up in North Carolina.
2:42:20
Speaker 2: You gotta pick. You're Carolina, your dude in C State
2:42:24
Speaker 2: sometimes allegedly sometimes you gotta pick. So there's Carolina basketball
2:42:29
Speaker 2: already get ripped apart by that fans just because there's
2:42:31
Speaker 2: pictures of me and the Carolina stuff, you know what
2:42:34
Speaker 2: I mean. I get shredded for that. But proximity. We're
2:42:37
Speaker 2: pitching the UK. Now we're getting some pitches.
2:42:40
Speaker 1: I think we're just stowing up, helping the plane store.
2:42:44
Speaker 2: Vandy is the home.
2:42:45
Speaker 5: Vandy is still the hometown squad. I think of the
2:42:46
Speaker 5: amount of games you can take the kiddos too, and they're.
2:42:49
Speaker 2: On the come up. But they're on the come up.
2:42:51
Speaker 1: Allegedly, leg they slipped the kid down the street star kid?
2:42:55
Speaker 1: Who was that?
2:42:56
Speaker 2: Georgia, Georgia? He was at Georgia. Man, what an interesting
2:43:00
Speaker 2: thing that is. What do you think would be a
2:43:02
Speaker 2: good one too? Though, Tennessee an arrow right got to be.
2:43:07
Speaker 2: But how do you work that out? Like, let's say
2:43:09
Speaker 2: you've already given a kid a bunch of money or something.
2:43:13
Speaker 2: I don't even know how this works. Let's say allegedly
2:43:15
Speaker 2: you give this high school kid a bunch of money's
2:43:17
Speaker 2: in high school, and then he de commits on signing day,
2:43:23
Speaker 2: Like does he owe you the money back?
2:43:25
Speaker 3: Like?
2:43:25
Speaker 2: How does that work?
2:43:26
Speaker 1: I think he's got to sign first before you give
2:43:28
Speaker 1: him the money. Yeah, but this day and age.
2:43:33
Speaker 2: And then flip.
2:43:35
Speaker 1: I think the more getting close to that, like where
2:43:38
Speaker 1: we're holding it in kids, the whole thing, volunteers might
2:43:42
Speaker 1: be your team.
2:43:43
Speaker 2: They're close, they're close, three hours away.
2:43:48
Speaker 1: They're not a team. They haven't won.
2:43:51
Speaker 2: Right quarterback this year, Appstate guy Joey Aguilar, Yeah, Upstate
2:43:56
Speaker 2: guy had a pretty good season. He did well. Wow, really,
2:44:01
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we're getting fancy. I'm getting you're getting recruited.
2:44:05
Speaker 2: He's getting recruited, getting recruited.
2:44:06
Speaker 1: Every time he talked about how ugly you are, Jackson,
2:44:09
Speaker 1: no way, he.
2:44:09
Speaker 2: Was like, it's like, it's all about how you present yourself.
2:44:14
Speaker 2: He's trying to get me like a little Jackson's as
2:44:19
Speaker 2: a Jackson Tennessee face tat is wild, dude, like a
2:44:23
Speaker 2: tempt tattoo. You know, the same day, that could be
2:44:25
Speaker 2: me on game day, just shirt off, I come out
2:44:29
Speaker 2: looking like Jason Momoa dude, just like full shirt off
2:44:33
Speaker 2: face hat. Hell yeah, that'd be That'd be wildo. So
2:44:37
Speaker 2: you think I go away for a year all publicly,
2:44:41
Speaker 2: like nobody sees me. Hit the steroids. We talked about
2:44:44
Speaker 2: that full tribals, which is gonna be weird. Probably people
2:44:48
Speaker 2: are gonna think that's weird. And then come on college
2:44:51
Speaker 2: game day that's when people hear. I'm sure it off
2:44:54
Speaker 2: absolutely jacked face tattoo of whatever team. I decided a
2:44:58
Speaker 2: few hats in front of you make it up like
2:45:00
Speaker 2: a lebron The decision official visits would be wild.
2:45:03
Speaker 1: Here's what I think we're filming this. Can we say
2:45:07
Speaker 1: when we're filming this? I know this comes out in March,
2:45:09
Speaker 1: but this is being filmed on January nineteenth, twenty twenty six.
2:45:14
Speaker 1: I think January nineteenth, twenty twenty seven. You come back
2:45:17
Speaker 1: on the bus and give us an official official you
2:45:21
Speaker 1: put the hat on, and it doesn't have to be
2:45:22
Speaker 1: a podcast.
2:45:23
Speaker 5: We just get you in there.
2:45:24
Speaker 1: You give us. You have a full year, full year
2:45:27
Speaker 1: for people to sell you on why you should become
2:45:30
Speaker 1: a fan of your other school and every college.
2:45:33
Speaker 2: Every college time you go and play in you're now
2:45:35
Speaker 2: claim it as you're taking an official visit.
2:45:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:45:38
Speaker 2: Official. I am doing some colleges.
2:45:39
Speaker 1: You're doing some movies.
2:45:40
Speaker 2: I'm doing I'm doing Aims. I'm doing Iowa State, doing
2:45:44
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Nice, yeah, not a good wow, Notre Dame
2:45:51
Speaker 2: doing doing Knoxville, actually doing a show in Knoxville.
2:45:54
Speaker 1: You play it right. Interesting, It's a good opportunity for
2:45:57
Speaker 1: you to be hosted.
2:45:59
Speaker 2: Maybe get walling out. Chesney comes out. There's a lot
2:46:02
Speaker 2: of Tennessee guys, a lot of Tennessee guys. You're the
2:46:05
Speaker 2: only one getting to get feeling comes out. You know,
2:46:08
Speaker 2: we do a little catch me and him probably.
2:46:10
Speaker 1: If we get yeah, if we get a video from
2:46:14
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, mm hmm. Are you committing on the spot?
2:46:17
Speaker 2: You think.
2:46:19
Speaker 1: Who's one person that you'd be like, I gotta go there.
2:46:24
Speaker 2: I love I loved as, I got a lot of
2:46:28
Speaker 2: I got a lot of South Carolina tis too. I
2:46:30
Speaker 2: got people pulling me in all directions. It is eight today, yep.
2:46:37
Speaker 2: And when you go to these schools, so you need
2:46:38
Speaker 2: to get you need to go through the ringer of
2:46:40
Speaker 2: all the you know photos they take. I am the
2:46:47
Speaker 2: look super jagged, but you got to do that at
2:46:50
Speaker 2: least one would be really funny. Actually, that would be
2:46:52
Speaker 2: a great video series to do of like every school
2:46:55
Speaker 2: I go to give me an officials, you.
2:46:59
Speaker 1: Know what I mean to do like a Lebron James
2:47:01
Speaker 1: the decision.
2:47:01
Speaker 2: Yeah that is crazy. Oh man, that's funny, dude, that
2:47:10
Speaker 2: would be that's I think the official visit thing has
2:47:13
Speaker 2: some legs. Absolutely, Oh yeah, I think that would be
2:47:16
Speaker 2: some good context.
2:47:18
Speaker 1: It's literally just your team reaching out to them, being like,
2:47:20
Speaker 1: Luke would love to have a two of your facility,
2:47:22
Speaker 1: and then we're like, oh my god, and.
2:47:23
Speaker 2: We usually do that anyways, but we would just film
2:47:26
Speaker 2: it and it would just, yes, be a little bit
2:47:28
Speaker 2: more ridiculous.
2:47:30
Speaker 1: You got to do a photo shoot right there and stuff.
2:47:32
Speaker 2: Go to a game, go to an state game.
2:47:34
Speaker 1: I would love that.
2:47:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man flipped, yeah, flipped on signing many how many
2:47:40
Speaker 2: signing day I will pick yeah, yeah, and then I'll flip.
2:47:44
Speaker 2: But then we thought we had them, like we did
2:47:46
Speaker 2: the visit and everything. He drank drank like fifteen Gatorades.
2:47:50
Speaker 2: He didn't even need it. And he's just drinking those
2:47:54
Speaker 2: because they're like SODA's kind of he gives me that
2:47:56
Speaker 2: vibe that he just drinks them. He thinks they're good
2:47:59
Speaker 2: for him, you know what I mean. Healthy. Yeah, Yeah,
2:48:03
Speaker 2: he's given me that vibe.
2:48:05
Speaker 1: This needs to happen. This could be a massive twenty
2:48:07
Speaker 1: six for you.
2:48:08
Speaker 2: I think how many Upstate games you go to a year?
2:48:12
Speaker 3: Uh?
2:48:12
Speaker 2: Didn't go to one this year? Yep. Stuff didn't go
2:48:15
Speaker 2: to one this year. Not because I didn't want to.
2:48:18
Speaker 2: It's hard to it's hard to get my first stadium
2:48:21
Speaker 2: show ever was an app one of my favorite shows,
2:48:25
Speaker 2: I mean of all time, dude, you know, I mean,
2:48:27
Speaker 2: just never beat that moment for me. I mean it's
2:48:31
Speaker 2: really selfishly like I would honestly love my kids to
2:48:34
Speaker 2: go there just so I could go back all the time.
2:48:36
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like one of my favorite place in
2:48:38
Speaker 2: the world. So many great memories there, and you know,
2:48:41
Speaker 2: it's where my career started. It's where you know, my
2:48:44
Speaker 2: sadness ended from not knowing what I was going to do, yeah,
2:48:47
Speaker 2: the rest of my life, you know. And just like
2:48:50
Speaker 2: I mean those games there, man, like they're I mean,
2:48:52
Speaker 2: those are great people, dude, and they're great fans and
2:48:54
Speaker 2: it's just electric, dude. I mean that. And that's that's
2:48:57
Speaker 2: what I say when I say, like I want something
2:49:00
Speaker 2: to happen in the college football world, because like I
2:49:04
Speaker 2: want to be able to have that back, like I
2:49:07
Speaker 2: miss that, Like even though we weren't Division one, the
2:49:11
Speaker 2: games like meant more right now because right now it
2:49:14
Speaker 2: feels like we're a farm team for you know, these
2:49:17
Speaker 2: Power five schools.
2:49:22
Speaker 5: It warms my heart that for him, it just comes
2:49:25
Speaker 5: back to the idea of college football. It really be
2:49:29
Speaker 5: playing in some real games again.
2:49:31
Speaker 2: To man, like, come on, I want it, you know, dude,
2:49:37
Speaker 2: to Spring Tour. I did tell some of my buddies.
2:49:40
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, your kids go to Appstate. I'll
2:49:43
Speaker 2: pay for it. I'm not gonna lie and say I
2:49:46
Speaker 2: haven't said that to people and pretty much meant it
2:49:49
Speaker 2: really pretty much like pretty much like, seriously, if your
2:49:52
Speaker 2: kids to go there, I'll pay for it.
2:49:53
Speaker 1: Sponsor just so like.
2:49:54
Speaker 2: We can all be fans together and there's a bunch
2:49:57
Speaker 2: of us and we're all.
2:49:58
Speaker 1: Paying for fandom. Is crazy move.
2:50:00
Speaker 2: But you won't pay for players, No, because the fandoms forever.
2:50:04
Speaker 2: Fans forever, dude, the players for a year. I don't
2:50:06
Speaker 2: get paid to be a fan. It costs me to
2:50:08
Speaker 2: be a fan now at this point, and I'm paying guys.
2:50:10
Speaker 2: It's really costing me something to be a fan. That's
2:50:12
Speaker 2: a fair point. But I think I would just need concessions.
2:50:15
Speaker 2: I would need to know that you're gonna be there
2:50:16
Speaker 2: for two years. That's it, not asking you to be
2:50:18
Speaker 2: there four years. If you turn out to be a
2:50:21
Speaker 2: first round talent, I want you to go on and
2:50:23
Speaker 2: be great somewhere else. I think that's the beauty of
2:50:26
Speaker 2: those schools. Is there were so many guys that were
2:50:29
Speaker 2: great when I was there that never got they never
2:50:32
Speaker 2: got recruited by these big teams, and they bawled out
2:50:35
Speaker 2: at app State they went to the league. There's guys
2:50:38
Speaker 2: that are crushing in the league that went to app
2:50:39
Speaker 2: State right now, you know, And we had that history
2:50:42
Speaker 2: of that was our whole identity as a team. Was
2:50:45
Speaker 2: like guys that just were an inch too short or
2:50:49
Speaker 2: ten pounds too light, or their forty speed was just
2:50:52
Speaker 2: not fast enough. But they had heart twice the size
2:50:55
Speaker 2: of guys with with with you know, bigger frames than them.
2:50:58
Speaker 2: And that's how I mean. Jerry Moore on all those
2:51:00
Speaker 2: games there, man, was he recruited a certain type of player.
2:51:03
Speaker 2: And now those players don't They just don't. There's no
2:51:06
Speaker 2: incentive for them to stay, yeah, you know what I
2:51:09
Speaker 2: mean other than what they just want to go there
2:51:11
Speaker 2: because that might be a chance to play well and
2:51:14
Speaker 2: go somewhere else. You know. It's like, I like, I
2:51:17
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just like I mean, imagine a guy
2:51:19
Speaker 2: goes to pay for say one player, and he was
2:51:22
Speaker 2: a good player to still if it only put you know,
2:51:25
Speaker 2: production on the field of still like a losing season.
2:51:28
Speaker 5: Or like exactly, yeah, exactly, even if he's telling you
2:51:31
Speaker 5: he'll stay for two years, right right, it's like, ship,
2:51:34
Speaker 5: why am I just throwing my money for us to
2:51:36
Speaker 5: still have a mediocre season?
2:51:38
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
2:51:44
Speaker 1: He was an app State cat love to stream extreaming streaming.
2:51:47
Speaker 2: Guy a Keem Davis Gaither app State guy. Yeah, yeah,
2:51:52
Speaker 2: app State guy. We've had a we got a few
2:51:54
Speaker 2: couple of linemen in the league. Man, We've we've got
2:51:56
Speaker 2: We've always put some guys and they always have. Guys
2:51:58
Speaker 2: get drafted every year basically, But I don't I don't
2:52:02
Speaker 2: know that that that might not that doesn't change now,
2:52:05
Speaker 2: you know, because like any transfers we get are either
2:52:09
Speaker 2: they're still on the ride up and they're still gonna leave,
2:52:12
Speaker 2: or they're on the way down. It's guys that underperformed
2:52:17
Speaker 2: and they're like, well now I gotta go. Guys hit
2:52:18
Speaker 2: the portal. Nobody wanted them exactly, So it's kind of
2:52:22
Speaker 2: a It just kind of sets you up for that thing.
2:52:25
Speaker 2: And obviously coaching matters, but like, how does a coach
2:52:27
Speaker 2: get to build any consistency with a player that has
2:52:30
Speaker 2: a new scheme every year? Different coaches every year, a
2:52:34
Speaker 2: different facility, Like they don't even like they're basically on
2:52:38
Speaker 2: a vacation in a town they play football, and like,
2:52:41
Speaker 2: you come there and stay for not even a whole year.
2:52:44
Speaker 2: Why does that build any How does that build anything?
2:52:47
Speaker 2: How do you build a culture around that?
2:52:49
Speaker 1: As a coach, the team right, the camaraderie of the
2:52:52
Speaker 1: locker room, keeping everybody together. You lose, it's your sophomore year,
2:52:55
Speaker 1: and you're like, next year is our year, exactly, this
2:52:59
Speaker 1: is our right.
2:53:00
Speaker 2: Everybody will be back. These guys will be here next year.
2:53:03
Speaker 2: What's the Indiana thing, dude, we got to talk about it.
2:53:06
Speaker 2: What's happened there? What has happened.
2:53:10
Speaker 1: Big? Netty bro bro is wild?
2:53:15
Speaker 2: Is wild.
2:53:15
Speaker 1: This is the greatest coaching we've ever seen. I talk
2:53:19
Speaker 1: the game.
2:53:20
Speaker 2: I talk to like people that I know about this,
2:53:23
Speaker 2: Like I try to explain it to people that I
2:53:25
Speaker 2: know that don't like pay that much attention to football.
2:53:28
Speaker 2: Like someone that doesn't like that listens to Taylor Swift
2:53:31
Speaker 2: is explaining to someone that doesn't listen to Taylor Swift
2:53:34
Speaker 2: about her albums. Yeah, I'm like, it's that big of
2:53:37
Speaker 2: a deal. Guys, you don't understand. No, top three hundred players,
2:53:40
Speaker 2: it ever happens, it doesn't happen. There's no five star guys.
2:53:43
Speaker 1: Ye have forty four guys that are twenty four and
2:53:45
Speaker 1: twenty five years old that are just production. He's like,
2:53:48
Speaker 1: I'm over production versus potential. They're the best coach team.
2:53:51
Speaker 1: They don't make mistakes. Yeah, the fucking back shoulder throwstoppable.
2:53:58
Speaker 1: It's unstoppable.
2:54:00
Speaker 2: Well, he's and it's just a I mean, Mendoza is
2:54:03
Speaker 2: just a he's just an impenetrable mind dude.
2:54:06
Speaker 1: Like he's just like shoot brain for shoot dude.
2:54:11
Speaker 2: The guy says, shoot, he's a dog and he doesn't
2:54:15
Speaker 2: even know he's a dog. Dude. Hundred for the best kind.
2:54:22
Speaker 1: And you see his family on the sideline. They're so sweet, dude,
2:54:25
Speaker 1: everybody's so amazing.
2:54:27
Speaker 2: How can you love the guy? You have to love them,
2:54:29
Speaker 2: You have to love him.
2:54:30
Speaker 1: I love every time he's on the mic after a game, Yeah.
2:54:32
Speaker 2: Bro, because he's fired up his voices like TV just.
2:54:36
Speaker 1: Talking about how greatest teammates are and how we're all together.
2:54:38
Speaker 2: It's like he's like, we won the glue.
2:54:40
Speaker 1: Everything you want. He's like, I just want to be
2:54:42
Speaker 1: one of the fingers around the microphone that he's telling
2:54:45
Speaker 1: them to.
2:54:46
Speaker 2: He's like, I was joking with my wife about this.
2:54:49
Speaker 2: The other day he did an interview and I'm like,
2:54:52
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like it was so they were doing
2:54:54
Speaker 2: some spotlight on him on ESPN before maybe the quarterfinal
2:54:57
Speaker 2: game or something, and he's like, well, yeah, like I
2:55:01
Speaker 2: just wanted to come in and establish that I'm one
2:55:04
Speaker 2: of the guys. That was like his thing, he said.
2:55:06
Speaker 2: And I told my wife, I'm like, I bet that
2:55:09
Speaker 2: all the guys on the team are like this guy,
2:55:12
Speaker 2: Like we have to tell this guy all year he's
2:55:14
Speaker 2: not one of the guys. Unless we win the Natty.
2:55:17
Speaker 2: He's never one of the guys. Like he will be.
2:55:20
Speaker 2: We just don't tell him he's one of the guys.
2:55:22
Speaker 2: And so the whole time he's like, I think if
2:55:23
Speaker 2: we can win the Natty, like I might get to
2:55:25
Speaker 2: be one of the guys, maybe all the guys will
2:55:28
Speaker 2: like want to go out to dinner and like hang
2:55:29
Speaker 2: out and stuff after practice, and like that's been his
2:55:32
Speaker 2: motivation the entire time, to be accepted by Like he
2:55:35
Speaker 2: wants his teammates to be like that's my guy over there, dude,
2:55:38
Speaker 2: And he's like yes, Like they win the Natty, and
2:55:40
Speaker 2: he's like they're all hugging and yeah, he's like I'm
2:55:42
Speaker 2: one of the guys, man, and they're like holding the thing.
2:55:44
Speaker 2: And he's like on the phone with his parents after
2:55:46
Speaker 2: each day say like, you know the kids in school
2:55:49
Speaker 2: really like me now right. Yeah, it's like that's so awesome. Yeah,
2:55:54
Speaker 2: we're like, dude, like none of us are hitting the
2:55:56
Speaker 2: portal now, we're not even gonna get drafted. We just
2:55:59
Speaker 2: want to hang, man, just hang guys.
2:56:02
Speaker 1: You know, I just pictured there's one player on the
2:56:03
Speaker 1: team that has held back everybody else from being one
2:56:05
Speaker 1: of the guys with him. And then they win the
2:56:07
Speaker 1: Natty and it's like Maverick and Iceman in the first again.
2:56:11
Speaker 1: But he goes and shakes his hand Andy, have his
2:56:12
Speaker 1: long look at each other eyes like he's finally done it,
2:56:15
Speaker 1: and then have the trophy and listen the s like
2:56:17
Speaker 1: you so a.
2:56:18
Speaker 2: Bitch, They just do muscles are like going yeah, yeah,
2:56:23
Speaker 2: that's awesome.
2:56:24
Speaker 1: It would be.
2:56:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:56:26
Speaker 1: I love your passion for college football.
2:56:28
Speaker 2: I love your passion for hard football fan. Man. It's
2:56:31
Speaker 2: like it's all give a ship about sports wise really
2:56:34
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. How about your your passion
2:56:36
Speaker 2: for this next album. I got a lot.
2:56:39
Speaker 1: I got a lot of it, and not quite as
2:56:41
Speaker 1: much as college.
2:56:44
Speaker 2: Okay, don't talk college football. I'm like, damn football talks over.
2:56:48
Speaker 2: We don't have to do.
2:56:49
Speaker 1: This was really hitting off with them.
2:56:50
Speaker 2: We were talking college going to pull my album and
2:56:53
Speaker 2: this and the bust and guys played four Square, Like
2:56:56
Speaker 2: I really think they think I'm cool, dude, Like it
2:56:58
Speaker 2: was one of the guys I wanted to. It's like,
2:57:02
Speaker 2: but no, this, this record, it's it's been a long
2:57:05
Speaker 2: time coming for me.
2:57:07
Speaker 1: You know.
2:57:07
Speaker 2: I did Fathers and Sons two years ago, and that
2:57:10
Speaker 2: was like never supposed to be like a commercial success,
2:57:13
Speaker 2: like that wasn't the reason that we put that record out,
2:57:15
Speaker 2: And that was something I wanted to do for myself
2:57:18
Speaker 2: and for my kids, and you know, just something that
2:57:20
Speaker 2: I hoped that, you know, people could relate to in
2:57:23
Speaker 2: some sense. And it was that I think, you know,
2:57:26
Speaker 2: I do. You know, not a lot of people have
2:57:29
Speaker 2: heard that record, but the people that did hear it
2:57:31
Speaker 2: really love it. And so I'm very proud of that.
2:57:33
Speaker 2: But it's been I mean, it's coming up on four
2:57:36
Speaker 2: years now since I've put out a record where I'm like, Okay, well,
2:57:39
Speaker 2: let's actually like, let's get in the game, you know
2:57:42
Speaker 2: what I mean, like getting the on deck circle, take
2:57:44
Speaker 2: a couple of hacks at it, get up to the plate,
2:57:46
Speaker 2: see what we can do. Like I basically, you know,
2:57:50
Speaker 2: purposefully kept myself on the sidelines, like trying to raise
2:57:53
Speaker 2: my boys and you know, just playing enough shows to
2:57:57
Speaker 2: kind of keep my momentum going a little bit and
2:58:00
Speaker 2: and also give people a breather. Man. Like, I think
2:58:03
Speaker 2: sometimes taking time away is a really good thing. You know.
2:58:08
Speaker 1: I was.
2:58:08
Speaker 2: I was really really popular at the time that you know,
2:58:11
Speaker 2: my the fastcar stuff came out, and then it just
2:58:14
Speaker 2: got even bigger, and I feel like people were just
2:58:16
Speaker 2: seeing so much of me all the time. I'm like, man,
2:58:18
Speaker 2: people must be sick of like seeing me all the
2:58:20
Speaker 2: time on stuff, you know. And so in my mind,
2:58:22
Speaker 2: I'm going, well, why not just kind of step away,
2:58:25
Speaker 2: take things at my own speed, be around with my
2:58:27
Speaker 2: kids and my wife and build that you know, that
2:58:31
Speaker 2: bond with my boys, and you know, let my wife
2:58:33
Speaker 2: know that me know, my family is my top priority.
2:58:36
Speaker 2: And but you know, I'm ready to kind of step
2:58:39
Speaker 2: into this next chapter and see what it looks like. Man,
2:58:43
Speaker 2: this record is my way of doing that, you know,
2:58:45
Speaker 2: and going, hey, man, I still feel like I can
2:58:46
Speaker 2: write you know, really you know, successful like commercially viable stuff.
2:58:52
Speaker 2: That's something I think, you know, my core fan base
2:58:55
Speaker 2: has been dying for for a long time, and I
2:58:58
Speaker 2: hope this album delivers deliver for them. I you know,
2:59:01
Speaker 2: I put myself fully into this and spend a lot
2:59:03
Speaker 2: of time working on it. I recorded forty songs for
2:59:06
Speaker 2: this record. It's twenty two songs, but I recorded forty
2:59:09
Speaker 2: and narrowed it down to the number it's at now,
2:59:12
Speaker 2: and I just felt like it's the you know, it's
2:59:15
Speaker 2: the best, the best that I got. Man. So if
2:59:18
Speaker 2: it doesn't work, I'm kind of screwed. But you know,
2:59:22
Speaker 2: I still still college football. Yeah, I still got still
2:59:26
Speaker 2: got my commitment to look forward. But it's yeah, it's exciting, man,
2:59:31
Speaker 2: And it's you know, it's not it's not reinventing the
2:59:34
Speaker 2: wheel by any you know, stretch of the imagination. You know.
2:59:36
Speaker 2: I I think it's me pushing myself in within the
2:59:41
Speaker 2: bounds of what I already do. You know. It's not
2:59:43
Speaker 2: like I set out to make a dance record or something,
2:59:46
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it's you know, it's
2:59:49
Speaker 2: what I think a lot of my fans have come
2:59:51
Speaker 2: to expect. And then I also think, you know, fans
2:59:54
Speaker 2: that I may have been introduced to in the last
2:59:57
Speaker 2: couple of years via the Fastcar thing or via some
3:00:00
Speaker 2: of the festivals we played last year, can like can
3:00:04
Speaker 2: listen to and go Okay, I like this. I can
3:00:07
Speaker 2: get into this. You know. It's not the extreme version
3:00:11
Speaker 2: of you know, of anything. It's really like what I
3:00:14
Speaker 2: want to do, the songs I love, the kind of
3:00:16
Speaker 2: music I like, the shit I want to do with
3:00:18
Speaker 2: my buddies, which is the same thing I did on
3:00:20
Speaker 2: my first record and my second record. And you know,
3:00:23
Speaker 2: it was just always that it was basically just me
3:00:25
Speaker 2: and my boys writing stuff and what's the best stuff
3:00:28
Speaker 2: we got that we've come up with in the last
3:00:30
Speaker 2: two years.
3:00:31
Speaker 1: And this is it.
3:00:31
Speaker 2: You know. It's like, I don't want to try to
3:00:34
Speaker 2: make it sound any more poetic than it needs to be.
3:00:36
Speaker 2: It's just I mean, it's just the you know, I'm
3:00:39
Speaker 2: throwing gasp, like that's what I'm trying to do. I'm
3:00:42
Speaker 2: trying to throw fastballs down the middle. I'm not trying
3:00:45
Speaker 2: to do anything special in a sense where it's it's
3:00:50
Speaker 2: not going to come out of left field, man, you
3:00:51
Speaker 2: know what I mean, It's just going to be right
3:00:53
Speaker 2: down the middle. I think stuff that I hope people
3:00:56
Speaker 2: will love.
3:00:57
Speaker 1: What ah, when you releasing an album, you're saying the
3:01:00
Speaker 1: album right now, sixth sixth album. When you're releasing album,
3:01:03
Speaker 1: what is like the highest stress point for you? When
3:01:06
Speaker 1: when the album is released? Is it like knowing what
3:01:09
Speaker 1: the first twenty four hours look like, the first week
3:01:11
Speaker 1: looks like.
3:01:12
Speaker 2: I don't worry as much. It's like I feel like
3:01:15
Speaker 2: the pressure is already off a little bit because like
3:01:19
Speaker 2: Sleepless in a Hotel Room came out and it's doing
3:01:22
Speaker 2: so well, and so I know, like if people like that,
3:01:27
Speaker 2: then I think there's gonna be other stuff on the
3:01:28
Speaker 2: album that they love. And like if we had give
3:01:32
Speaker 2: this record was coming out and there was no songs
3:01:35
Speaker 2: that had been kind of come out before the record,
3:01:38
Speaker 2: like no instant grat stuff that had done well, I
3:01:41
Speaker 2: would be really concerned about it. I'd be like, man,
3:01:44
Speaker 2: because like when you're doing the pre release stuff, you're
3:01:47
Speaker 2: trying to kind of like you're showing them like a
3:01:49
Speaker 2: little bit of your hand, like you're not just given
3:01:52
Speaker 2: strictly B side songs maybe one or two, but if
3:01:56
Speaker 2: you instant grab four of the twenty two, like two
3:01:59
Speaker 2: of those year or like two of those are kind
3:02:02
Speaker 2: of like, hey man, like here's a little bit of
3:02:04
Speaker 2: what the album is going to be. Like, so you
3:02:06
Speaker 2: really want one of those songs to take off. Now,
3:02:08
Speaker 2: which one is it going to be? You never really know,
3:02:12
Speaker 2: So that would have been the biggest stress point for me.
3:02:14
Speaker 2: For me, it's narrowing the songs down, like getting to
3:02:17
Speaker 2: the point, like making the track list from forty to
3:02:21
Speaker 2: twenty two is really hard because I if I've recorded
3:02:25
Speaker 2: the song like, I love it. I think it's a
3:02:27
Speaker 2: great song and I would love for people to get
3:02:29
Speaker 2: to hear it. But I'm not going to put out
3:02:31
Speaker 2: a forty song record. It's just not like something that
3:02:34
Speaker 2: works for me. So it was tough to get rid of,
3:02:38
Speaker 2: you know, eighteen songs, because they're songs that I believe
3:02:42
Speaker 2: in that I think are good, and but you just can't.
3:02:45
Speaker 2: You can't have everything on there, you know what I mean.
3:02:47
Speaker 2: I mean you could, I guess, but I wanted people
3:02:50
Speaker 2: to to be an album that I felt like people
3:02:53
Speaker 2: could digest in one sitting if they wanted to do that.
3:02:57
Speaker 2: But also be enough stuff to where they go, wo. Man,
3:02:59
Speaker 2: you haven't really good when it's a record in four years,
3:03:01
Speaker 2: So it better not be ten songs, yeah, or we're
3:03:03
Speaker 2: gonna be pissed. That's all we get. Big Seeing a
3:03:06
Speaker 2: sequel to your favorite movie and it's been ten years
3:03:09
Speaker 2: and it's thirty minutes, and you're like, that's the whole movie,
3:03:12
Speaker 2: that's it? Like all we got was thirty minutes. It
3:03:15
Speaker 2: was good, good thirty minutes, but it's supposed to be
3:03:17
Speaker 2: two hours.
3:03:18
Speaker 1: What happened?
3:03:18
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So it's I don't know.
3:03:20
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of there's so many unknowns with
3:03:23
Speaker 2: music too, man, Like anytime I think a song is
3:03:25
Speaker 2: gonna be big, it's usually not. I don't know, it
3:03:29
Speaker 2: just works that way. So I'm thankful for their having
3:03:33
Speaker 2: been a lot of songs that I didn't think would
3:03:36
Speaker 2: be good, because those have all turned out really well.
3:03:39
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the magic is you just don't try to.
3:03:43
Speaker 2: I've learned you just can't pick what people are gonna like.
3:03:45
Speaker 2: They're just gonna like what they like, and you can't
3:03:48
Speaker 2: really predict it as much as you would think. Every
3:03:50
Speaker 2: once in a while you get one right, But most
3:03:52
Speaker 2: of the time it's like, I don't know, I don't
3:03:54
Speaker 2: know what people are gonna like. You just put them
3:03:56
Speaker 2: all out and see which one they love the most,
3:03:58
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, it's crazy.
3:04:00
Speaker 1: We've we've talked about a lot of things today, a
3:04:02
Speaker 1: lot of subjects have taken place where we have the
3:04:04
Speaker 1: bud light question and we know that anybody would do
3:04:07
Speaker 1: anything for a nice cold crisp, But what is something
3:04:10
Speaker 1: that Luke Colmb's would do anything for. I can't say family.
3:04:14
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't say family.
3:04:18
Speaker 1: I have one in my head right now. And it's
3:04:20
Speaker 1: like he didn't hit this. Is he really what he says?
3:04:23
Speaker 2: He is probably likedwich. You know, that's definitely close that.
3:04:32
Speaker 1: He doesn't say this.
3:04:33
Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about stuff that could actually
3:04:35
Speaker 2: happen Sandwich. Now that you're talking like fantasy stuff.
3:04:44
Speaker 1: That's I'm talking And.
3:04:48
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to be Oh, Panther, super Bowl, Panther, the.
3:04:53
Speaker 5: Super Bowl over in abstinate natty d one, Oh God,
3:04:59
Speaker 5: yeah yeah.
3:05:00
Speaker 1: Or fried baloney sandwich, both good.
3:05:07
Speaker 2: I can get any day. It's pretty good, though. Sandwich
3:05:11
Speaker 2: has the Super Bowl sandwich. Watching the Panthers play app
3:05:15
Speaker 2: State in the Super Bowl Perfect day. Yeah, yeah, get
3:05:20
Speaker 2: the chips off there though, they get the chips chips
3:05:25
Speaker 2: on sandwiches, but not my something. Some things are sacred,
3:05:30
Speaker 2: damn it. You know. No, Okay, So if app state Natty, yeah,
3:05:35
Speaker 2: that would like, But that in the realm of like reality,
3:05:39
Speaker 2: it's like it can't really happen right now. Just it
3:05:42
Speaker 2: just can't, like and you guys get that, you know
3:05:44
Speaker 2: that right now. It's it's not like a thing that
3:05:46
Speaker 2: can happen right now. I would love that. Now, that's wick.
3:05:51
Speaker 2: That's insane right there. That's way too thick of a
3:05:54
Speaker 2: bloney slice for a sandwich. That's a blooney steak. I
3:05:57
Speaker 2: believe they call that. Yeah, yeah, flay baloney but panther
3:06:04
Speaker 2: super Bowl, Yeah, I'm I'm selling the farm on that, man, Like,
3:06:08
Speaker 2: I would just do anything for that. That's my Like,
3:06:11
Speaker 2: I've been there and I've watched us lose two and
3:06:15
Speaker 2: it's just it sucks. Bro.
3:06:18
Speaker 1: Do you ever do you ever think about that last
3:06:21
Speaker 1: Super Bowl about Cam Newton not jumping on that fumbel
3:06:24
Speaker 1: all the time?
3:06:25
Speaker 2: Bro, It's all I think about as a fan.
3:06:26
Speaker 1: What were you thinking when Cam Newton didn't jump in
3:06:28
Speaker 1: that fumble?
3:06:30
Speaker 2: Because that's like first drive. Second, that was early in
3:06:34
Speaker 2: the game. I believe the first drive of the game.
3:06:37
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's when the FuMB will happened
3:06:38
Speaker 2: or not. First drive of the game. I knew we
3:06:40
Speaker 2: weren't gonna win first drive.
3:06:42
Speaker 1: That's gotta be that's gotta be a painful reality.
3:06:44
Speaker 2: It was, and it was like, Wow, Von Miller is
3:06:48
Speaker 2: going to win this game all by himself. And he did.
3:06:52
Speaker 2: He was The Broncos defense won the game that game,
3:06:55
Speaker 2: and it was heartbreaking because we had I mean, dude,
3:06:59
Speaker 2: we don't you know, we don't choke out against the
3:07:03
Speaker 2: Falcons in the last game of the season. We're undefeated, dude.
3:07:05
Speaker 2: We lost one game the whole season, lost so the
3:07:09
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons the last game of the season and lost
3:07:12
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, and that team was like felt unstoppable
3:07:16
Speaker 2: in a lot of respects. Man, Like that team just
3:07:19
Speaker 2: was like, I mean, you have all the pieces are
3:07:22
Speaker 2: in place, dude, I mean everybody's there, yeah, you know,
3:07:25
Speaker 2: and you're just like, how did it not happen? How
3:07:27
Speaker 2: did it not happen? I just don't know.
3:07:29
Speaker 1: I don't know.
3:07:30
Speaker 2: I mean, Keithley like he's up, I mean, top I mean,
3:07:33
Speaker 2: he's probably my favorite player of all time. I would
3:07:35
Speaker 2: say it's guy was an animal, bro. This guy was
3:07:38
Speaker 2: an animal animal love that cat, dude. And he's like
3:07:41
Speaker 2: no social media, no social media. Guy like, doesn't do
3:07:47
Speaker 2: anything man like, doesn't do any of the stereotypical stuff
3:07:50
Speaker 2: that we're all doing. He's everything you want to live back. Yeah,
3:07:54
Speaker 2: it's like not a like doesn't care to be the
3:07:55
Speaker 2: center of attention. Guy Like, he's just absolute film rat. Like.
3:08:02
Speaker 2: I remember talking to Ben Jones, you know, Ben, Ben,
3:08:08
Speaker 2: Ben was.
3:08:09
Speaker 1: My dog that said you were a Georgia Bulldog fan
3:08:11
Speaker 1: to my face. Wow, yeah, gosh, I didn't want to
3:08:14
Speaker 1: say his name, but since you brought him up, Yes,
3:08:16
Speaker 1: Ben Jones.
3:08:16
Speaker 2: Ben's a study. He is awesome and bless you and
3:08:25
Speaker 2: uh I remember Ben was talking to Ben one time
3:08:28
Speaker 2: and he was still playing. And this is when Keigley
3:08:31
Speaker 2: that was kind of that. I don't know if it
3:08:32
Speaker 2: was that year, but it was that same team, same
3:08:35
Speaker 2: core team, Cam Keighley, Greg Olsen, the whole cast of characters.
3:08:40
Speaker 2: We had, Thomas Davis. I remember they came to town.
3:08:45
Speaker 2: The Panthers came and did a joint practice. You're probably
3:08:47
Speaker 2: on the Titans. I was, and I remember being telling
3:08:51
Speaker 2: me as I was asking him about the whole Keighley thing,
3:08:55
Speaker 2: and he was like, bro, that guy's insane, Like what
3:08:57
Speaker 2: do you mean. It's like he knew every play we
3:08:59
Speaker 2: were gonna run fire practice and he's like, so you know,
3:09:03
Speaker 2: Thomas Davis went to Georgia then went to Georgia obviously,
3:09:06
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, we were going to get lunch
3:09:08
Speaker 2: and he's like, dude, lets him bit Keithley to lunch.
3:09:11
Speaker 2: And Thomas Davis was like, oh, dude, he's not going
3:09:13
Speaker 2: to lunch. He's like, what do you mean He's not
3:09:15
Speaker 2: going to lunch. He's like, he's gonna watch film. Dude,
3:09:18
Speaker 2: He's not going to lunch. Like he's the only guy,
3:09:20
Speaker 2: like he never he doesn't do anything else, Like he
3:09:25
Speaker 2: practices and watches film and works out and goes to
3:09:29
Speaker 2: bed and like that's what he does. And he's not
3:09:32
Speaker 2: gonna like hang out. He doesn't want to like hang
3:09:34
Speaker 2: out or like yeah, he rumor has it. When he
3:09:37
Speaker 2: first got in the league, he didn't buy a TV
3:09:40
Speaker 2: d He just had a football on the wall, dude,
3:09:45
Speaker 2: and he just watched it.
3:09:46
Speaker 1: Dude.
3:09:47
Speaker 2: He just sat there looking at it. I'm getting that ball.
3:09:50
Speaker 2: I'm getting that ball.
3:09:52
Speaker 1: He was wild, bro, he was incredible man.
3:09:55
Speaker 2: When he retired early, I was devastated, saying, dude.
3:09:59
Speaker 1: When we were we so that practice was over, that
3:10:01
Speaker 1: joint practice. When we go to teams. The first play
3:10:04
Speaker 1: we came out, He's like, run this way, and I'm
3:10:06
Speaker 1: like thinking, how the fuck does he know that? Like,
3:10:10
Speaker 1: how would you have any idea? It's the first day.
3:10:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably.
3:10:17
Speaker 1: You think Connor was working with him back then. This
3:10:19
Speaker 1: had to be what like sixty us was it sixteen
3:10:23
Speaker 1: or seven stallions?
3:10:25
Speaker 2: Such a cool Connor stallions.
3:10:28
Speaker 1: Consh But yeah, dude, he called out I think there
3:10:33
Speaker 1: was like nine plays in that one verse ones and
3:10:36
Speaker 1: he called out seven of them. And when we called
3:10:39
Speaker 1: the screen and he called out the screen, I was like, well,
3:10:40
Speaker 1: this is dead even before the ball snaps, like it's
3:10:44
Speaker 1: over and we're not going to check in anything right
3:10:46
Speaker 1: now because it's practice.
3:10:47
Speaker 2: How do you beat that? Dude?
3:10:50
Speaker 1: You We would play the Panthers and Rabel, the head coach,
3:10:53
Speaker 1: would come and be like, you blocked fifty nine fifty nine, right, yeah,
3:10:57
Speaker 1: you block fifty nine, You're gonna you're don't have an
3:11:00
Speaker 1: opportunity to win the game. You don't block him, the
3:11:02
Speaker 1: game's over. Like that's how significant he was to his team.
3:11:07
Speaker 1: It's just.
3:11:09
Speaker 2: I remember when we drafted him. I was like, I
3:11:11
Speaker 2: was like, who the fuck is this guy? I'm like, bro,
3:11:15
Speaker 2: get me, like, get me, give me somebody, dude, Like
3:11:20
Speaker 2: who's this guy? Dude? This guy hung out in high school?
3:11:25
Speaker 2: Is this guy? And then he's not though he's not
3:11:27
Speaker 2: a guy.
3:11:30
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that MC.
3:11:34
Speaker 2: Ripped shred it out, shred it out, but yeah, look
3:11:38
Speaker 2: at this guy. Killer Stallion Clark Kent is good. Yeah,
3:11:43
Speaker 2: truly like put the uniform on and just become an
3:11:46
Speaker 2: absolute lunatic.
3:11:47
Speaker 1: As he was like.
3:11:49
Speaker 2: A pretty good ship talker man. That was kind of
3:11:52
Speaker 2: some rumors going around like he was like, uh, because
3:11:54
Speaker 2: he's real, Like when you meet him, he's real, kind
3:11:56
Speaker 2: of like mild put together, like real timid. Some of
3:12:00
Speaker 2: the guys I know were like, did he get out there?
3:12:02
Speaker 2: He was like vicious out there?
3:12:03
Speaker 1: Dude. He never said a word.
3:12:06
Speaker 2: Even worse worse, like when we did that practices, you're
3:12:11
Speaker 2: not scared of that guy till you are? Is hell?
3:12:16
Speaker 1: Is he the most star stroke you've ever been meeting somebody.
3:12:20
Speaker 2: Uh well, I met him on FaceTime or on zoom
3:12:22
Speaker 2: and like a zoom interview, So I didn't have a
3:12:24
Speaker 2: chance to be I mean, definitely some of the Panthers
3:12:28
Speaker 2: guys man, like, especially the guys when I was growing up,
3:12:31
Speaker 2: I would probably be like Steve Smith, my god's fucking
3:12:34
Speaker 2: smitty dude, Like watch this guy, like Moose and Mohammed.
3:12:39
Speaker 2: I would be like Moose, Ricky Prole, Moose, Brad Hoover,
3:12:48
Speaker 2: oh Man, Yeah he got him, dude, Jake the Lome,
3:12:51
Speaker 2: Jake the Snake. Oh man, he was all raging cajun.
3:12:55
Speaker 2: He was great.
3:12:55
Speaker 1: Who are the backs?
3:12:58
Speaker 2: Steward? But who was uh? Angel Williams, Angela Williams.
3:13:02
Speaker 1: Didn't you smack?
3:13:03
Speaker 2: Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Tim Biakabatuca, Mike Tolbert, wild pull,
3:13:11
Speaker 2: So I got some wild I got some wild deep
3:13:13
Speaker 2: Rodney Pete. That's first ballot cat right there. You know
3:13:20
Speaker 2: who else? Chris Gamble, Captain Captain Monolin. Yeah, dude, there's
3:13:27
Speaker 2: some deep, deep knowledge going on with me. I'm trying
3:13:30
Speaker 2: to think if we had some one else. I hate
3:13:31
Speaker 2: to cut this shore, but I have to. I have
3:13:33
Speaker 2: to leave I have to get back to the house
3:13:36
Speaker 2: because Nanny's got it. She's she's doing it. She's got
3:13:39
Speaker 2: an appointment of four forty five.
3:13:41
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Speaker 2: I like a man that practices what he preaches. Dad life.
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Speaker 1: She had nowhere to go right now. He's just he's
3:13:59
Speaker 1: just I know, I tell I have to leave it four.
3:14:01
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do that right now. Yeah, that's a
3:14:04
Speaker 1: good question. Oh that's a different one. Confirmed, good debt.
3:14:08
Speaker 2: All right.
3:14:10
Speaker 1: He We appreciate you coming, man. I know that when
3:14:12
Speaker 1: we did Tight Ends and Friends, it was like that
3:14:15
Speaker 1: little conversation we had in that back green room. We're like, dude,
3:14:17
Speaker 1: we gotta get this guy in the pod.
3:14:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.
3:14:19
Speaker 1: And it's taken a little bit, it has, but we
3:14:21
Speaker 1: finally got it.
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Speaker 2: Man. We did it. In between dadding well done the journey.
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