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Backchat and Eye Rolls? What Your Kids’ Sass Is Really Telling You · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: Every parent has copped it. The back chat. You get,
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  Speaker 1: the eye rolls, you get, the anger, you get, the
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  Speaker 1: kiie of the belligerence, the disrespect, the attitude. Sometimes your
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  Speaker 1: child even refuses to comply with what you're asking, and
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  Speaker 1: it leaves you, as a parent kind of questioning everything.
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  Speaker 1: You want to be this kind considerate, autonomy, supportive parent,
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  Speaker 1: and the kids give you back chat and you kind
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  Speaker 1: of just think, no, no, that's it. You've just talked
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  Speaker 1: back one time too many, and today today I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have it my way. And then we start with
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  Speaker 1: the backchat towards their back chat. Ironically and interestingly, what
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  Speaker 1: we call back chat might be one of the most
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  Speaker 1: misunderstood aspects of child development, because how we respond to
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  Speaker 1: our kids' big attitudes and backchat not only shapes what
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  Speaker 1: happens next in the moment, but it also shapes our
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  Speaker 1: entire relationship with our kids. Today. It's a practical and
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  Speaker 1: focus deep dive into what really what really is going
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  Speaker 1: on when kids push back. We'll look a bit about
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  Speaker 1: into white traditional despond fails and explore some strategies plus
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  Speaker 1: three really clear scripts to respond to backchat and build
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  Speaker 1: cooperation rather than breaking connection. Stay with us. Hello, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to The Happy Family's podcast, Real Parenting Solutions, every day
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  Speaker 1: on Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. We are Justin and
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  Speaker 1: Kylie Colson. If you're knew to the pod, we're so
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  Speaker 1: glad to have you along. Hopefully you have been listening
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  Speaker 1: during the parental Guidance episodes and now that that's over,
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  Speaker 1: I went back to I guess Kylie regular programming. We
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  Speaker 1: are so glad that you've chosen to be with us.
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  Speaker 1: We hope that every day you hear something that helps
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  Speaker 1: your family to be happier. Today, Kylie, it's about backchat.
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  Speaker 1: I was just thinking as I was talking about the intro,
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember ever hitting my parents with any backchat ever.
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  Speaker 1: I think that I've wan you you're laughing. Have you
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  Speaker 1: read ridden in your childhood? Completely? I was an angel.
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  Speaker 1: Should we get my mum on the line, Mum, do
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  Speaker 1: you ever remember me back chatting?
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  Speaker 2: We might be here for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But when I think about the backchat my mum
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  Speaker 1: and dad. Mom particularly, she would just yell back at me.
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  Speaker 1: She'd say, don't be so disrespectful, and every now and
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  Speaker 1: again she'd have a full on Barney with me. I
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  Speaker 1: remember she asked me to hang out the washing one
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  Speaker 1: day and I was like, I've got a life too,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And the lecture that I got. She just
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  Speaker 1: stood in front of me, She's like, you've got a life.
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  Speaker 1: You're the one I'm paying for this. I'm doing this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing this, I'm running around here, and she just
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  Speaker 1: rattled off thirty things that she's got going on in
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  Speaker 1: her life. And she's like, and you think that I've
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  Speaker 1: got time to hang out the washing when you're sitting
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  Speaker 1: around doing nothing, because you've got a life. And so
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  Speaker 1: I picked up the washing basket the washing work detreat.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever hit your parents with a bit of attitude,
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  Speaker 1: a bit of backchat?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, from time to time. I definitely did, but
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  Speaker 2: it didn't end well for me. I was definitely physically
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  Speaker 2: punished more times than not if I ever pushed back
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  Speaker 2: too hard. And as a result, it left me feeling
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  Speaker 2: this lack of disconnect with my own voice and trusting
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  Speaker 2: that voice because it had never been respected.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's deep here, I am going on about
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  Speaker 1: mum ranting at me, and you've just hit us with
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  Speaker 1: a big one straight up, and so let me let
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  Speaker 1: me just get my head around that. So, what you're
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  Speaker 1: saying is because when you would clap back at your
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  Speaker 1: parents because you didn't like what they were asking of you,
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  Speaker 1: or it felt unfair or you felt overwhelmed, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: listen to your voice, and so you learned not to
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  Speaker 1: trust your voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, that's great. I mean, it's not great that it happened,
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  Speaker 1: but that's so eloquent the way you've said that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, undoing that has taken years. Right, I'm almost fifty
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  Speaker 2: years of age and only now.
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  Speaker 1: Really, I love that you're uncomfortable, love that you're in
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  Speaker 1: your mid forties and you keep on saying that you're
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  Speaker 1: almost fifty years of age.
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  Speaker 2: You're just around the corner, just around the corner. But
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  Speaker 2: I was listening to what you were saying in the
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  Speaker 2: beginning and just the acknowledgment that is, and we actually
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  Speaker 2: we see our kids' backchat as so inconvenient, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: so disrespectful and so disrespectful, and yet as you were talking,
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  Speaker 2: as hard as it is, it's actually a gift, It's
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  Speaker 2: an absolute gift off Our kids feel like they can
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  Speaker 2: push back against us if they feel like their safety
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  Speaker 2: in being able to share their viewpoint, no matter how
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  Speaker 2: lacking in maturity.
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  Speaker 1: And I can just hear parents thinking, I really liked
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  Speaker 1: what you said before, Kylie, but you've just said that
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  Speaker 1: backs a gift, and they can take that gift and
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  Speaker 1: go get a refund on it. I don't want that
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  Speaker 1: gift in my house. Get rid of it.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, coming from where I've come from, one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that I never wanted our children to experience
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  Speaker 2: was to not be able to trust their own voice,
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  Speaker 2: to not feel like the big people in the room
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  Speaker 2: valued them and loved them enough to listen even when
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  Speaker 2: it's hard. And as a result, we've tried to raise
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  Speaker 2: kids who have been given a voice even when it's
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  Speaker 2: been inconvenience.
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  Speaker 1: So inconvenient.
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  Speaker 2: We've taught them to question, We've taught them to be curious.
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  Speaker 2: We've taught them to actually push against authority for authority's sake,
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  Speaker 2: like we've taught them so many beautiful, valuable lessons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the school teachers haven't appreciated that last.
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  Speaker 2: One, No, they haven't. But the conversations that have resulted
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  Speaker 2: when we've been willing to get curious not furious in
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  Speaker 2: those moments has been it has been a gift.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So I want to talk about three things around
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  Speaker 1: how we're misunderstanding the quote unquote gift to use your
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  Speaker 1: term of back chat, and then I want to go
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  Speaker 1: through a couple of scripts that are going to be really,
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  Speaker 1: really helpful when your child is pushing back. Okay, the
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  Speaker 1: scripts are really what matter. All that's coming up in
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  Speaker 1: just a sec on the Happy Families podcast. Okay, Kylie.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing that I want to do is challenge
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  Speaker 1: the assumption that backchat's problematic. You've already highlighted and challenged
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  Speaker 1: it in your own way using the term it's a gift.
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  Speaker 1: You and I did not confer about our ideas on
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  Speaker 1: this topic, but we've both landed in the same place.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying it's a gift. I'm saying, let's challenge the
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  Speaker 1: assumption that's problematic. Definitely it can be disrespectful. Definitely it
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  Speaker 1: can be, but the.
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  Speaker 2: Disrespect comes from a lack of maturity and a lack
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  Speaker 2: of understanding of how this works. Correct, So they haven't
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  Speaker 2: learned how to use their voice.
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  Speaker 1: I would prefer to reframe the word disrespectful as clumsy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, sometimes the kids are being really argumentative, and they
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  Speaker 1: really are pointed because they're passionate, right correct. But if
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  Speaker 1: they knew how, if they knew how to respond in healthier,
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  Speaker 1: more adaptive, collaborative ways, they would. But as you know,
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  Speaker 1: high emotions equals low intelligence, kids respond to their big
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  Speaker 1: emotions with a little bit of dysregulation. I look at
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  Speaker 1: backchat as an opportunity to build trust in the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: So my definition of trust, as you probably recall, trust
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  Speaker 1: is believing that the other person is going to act
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  Speaker 1: in your best interests. So when your child comes at
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  Speaker 1: you with a whole lot of backchat, a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of you're the worst, it's unfair, you don't never listen
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  Speaker 1: to me, that's literally an opportunity for us to build
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  Speaker 1: trust with them. And I want to talk about three
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  Speaker 1: ways we can do that.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the first idea?
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  Speaker 1: So the first one is something that I actually learned
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  Speaker 1: from you years ago, and that is to listen for
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  Speaker 1: the underlying need when our children are having big emotions,
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  Speaker 1: when our children are having tanskerments, when our children are
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  Speaker 1: giving us backchat, there's an unmet need there. Knowing what
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  Speaker 1: we know about basic psychological needs, there's the relatedness need.
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  Speaker 1: There's the competence need, and there's the autonomy need. It
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  Speaker 1: could be any of those three. So we ask our
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  Speaker 1: children to do something, whether it's getting the car, go
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  Speaker 1: to bed, eat their dinner, pick up their towel, look
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  Speaker 1: after their sister, walk the dog, pick up the dog
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  Speaker 1: pill in the backyard, it doesn't matter what it is.
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  Speaker 1: If our children are pushing back, it could be that
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  Speaker 1: they feel a little bit lonely, they feel like they're disconnected,
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  Speaker 1: they feel like the relationships just aren't strong. They're not
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  Speaker 1: feeling seen, hurt and valued. So it could be a
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  Speaker 1: relationship issue. My suggestion is, more often than not, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a control issue. They want more autonomy
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  Speaker 1: and we're constantly telling them what to do, and if
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  Speaker 1: we gave them a little bit more choice around it. Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: dishes need to be done. I'm heading out to take
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  Speaker 1: care of this chore. So long as when I get back,
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  Speaker 1: they're done. I don't mind when you do it. Now
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  Speaker 1: they've got a sense of autonomy and you fist, pump cool. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's up to you when it gets done. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: back in twenty five minutes. I'll see you soon. So
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  Speaker 1: it's that kind of autonomy thing. And sometimes they'll actually
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  Speaker 1: be muttering under their breath or giving you a serve
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  Speaker 1: because they don't know how to do it. They're actually
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  Speaker 1: feel incompetent. They feel like cleaning up their bedroom right
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  Speaker 1: now when they're only six years old and it's a
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  Speaker 1: massive mess and hasn't been cleaned for three weeks. It's
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  Speaker 1: just too big for them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 1: It's overwhelmed. Yeah, that's right. So I actually think that
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  Speaker 1: when kids aren't feeling heard, when they're feeling controlled, and
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  Speaker 1: the feeling overwhelmed those basic psychological needs. This is what
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  Speaker 1: happens when needs are thwarted and frustrated. They're not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: being defiant, they're just struggling to figure out how to
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  Speaker 1: do it. The second one, I think we've got to
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  Speaker 1: examine the power dynamic. And what I mean by that
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  Speaker 1: is so there's a word that I use all the
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  Speaker 1: time on the podcast autonomy supportive, which is technically the
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  Speaker 1: opposite of controlling. The fancy word for being controlling is heteronomous. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so if we're going to be heteronomous, what we're really
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  Speaker 1: saying is I want you to defer to my authority.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to listen to me because I am
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  Speaker 1: the parent. And if we really explore power dynamics here,
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  Speaker 1: when a child claps back, when a child resists, when
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  Speaker 1: a child gives a whole lot of backchat, this is
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  Speaker 1: a potential, depending on how emotional they are, potentially perfect
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to step into a really simple three y's conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Got a script about that coming up in just a
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  Speaker 1: sec and it's like a ten second script. This is
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  Speaker 1: a problem solving opportunity. It's not an opportunity to assert
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  Speaker 1: your authority and go off your brain about how ungrateful
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  Speaker 1: and entitled your kids are. It's a genuine chance to
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  Speaker 1: examine the power dynamic and.
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  Speaker 2: I just love that justinism of yours. Get curious, not furious,
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  Speaker 2: because at the time, the natural instinct in us is
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  Speaker 2: to come down hard.
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  Speaker 1: I think my mum did the washing line, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And give them a lecture, or worse, we actually need
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  Speaker 2: to get curious. What's number three?
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  Speaker 1: So the third one is that we need to model
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  Speaker 1: the communication that we want to see. If we do
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  Speaker 1: not like our child's disrespect, if we don't like the
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  Speaker 1: way our child is pushing back at what we've asked.
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  Speaker 1: Quite often, I hear parents do things like this, don't
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  Speaker 1: you be so disrespectful to me? And they say to
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  Speaker 1: the most disrespectful tone, or they say, you need to
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  Speaker 1: get your emotions under control, so help me, they'll be trouble.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, my goodness. I mean, like, if you
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  Speaker 1: want your kids to be regulated, you've got to be
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  Speaker 1: regulated yourself. If you want your kids to be respectful,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to be respectful yourself. Dysregulation in a parent
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  Speaker 1: never led to a highly regulated child, or well sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it can in your case, right, Like you just learned
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  Speaker 1: to toe the line. But it didn't build the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it broke the relationship. It was really unhealthy.
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  Speaker 1: It undermined trust, and you were simply complying because you
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  Speaker 1: had to.
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  Speaker 2: So you cheose this at the beginning that you've got
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  Speaker 2: some scripts that's going to help make this process easy
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  Speaker 2: for parents.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what have you got for us? I want to
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  Speaker 1: go through them, and I think that they're really really
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  Speaker 1: easy to implement. The first script is as simple as
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  Speaker 1: saying something like, sometimes it feels like I'm your enemy,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it? And so what you're doing is you're actually
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  Speaker 1: you're just saying how they feel. You're not telling that
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  Speaker 1: they're right or wrong. You're just saying, sometimes it feels
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  Speaker 1: like I'm against you all day every day, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like I just give your stuff to
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  Speaker 1: push against and it never feels fair. You just say
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  Speaker 1: it and your child goes, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's exactly how I'm feeling.
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  Speaker 1: And as soon as they get that release where they
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  Speaker 1: get to say yes, I do, you get to say, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: why don't we have a chat about that and see
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  Speaker 1: if we can come up with a solution. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a validation statement. Another way of doing it is to
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  Speaker 1: give your child in fantasy what they can't have in reality.
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  Speaker 2: And so this screw you wish that I never asked
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  Speaker 2: you to do the dishes, that you could just sit
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  Speaker 2: in front of the TV all night.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you just wish the dishes to wash themselves? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great if we had one of those houses?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Please? That does everything for you. I mean, they don't exist,
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  Speaker 1: but wouldn't it be great if we had one of them?
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  Speaker 1: And so giving your child in fantasy what they can't
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  Speaker 1: have reality gives you a bit of a bit of
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  Speaker 1: light humor an opportunity to have a break. And again
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  Speaker 1: it's a wonderfully validating thing. And then as your child
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  Speaker 1: releases the pressure and says, yes, I wish our house
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  Speaker 1: would do that. You can sell you so do Why
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  Speaker 1: but we've got this issue where our house is not
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  Speaker 1: one of those houses. So what do you think we
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  Speaker 1: should do instead? Incidentally, years ago, when we were renovating
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  Speaker 1: our house, we went to one of those big fancy
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  Speaker 1: appliance stores. Do you remember that cupboard that you could buy?
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember so how much it was was like
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  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars or something, the ironing cupboard. Yet you
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  Speaker 1: literally put the clothing on a coat, hangar, put it
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  Speaker 1: in the cupboard, and the cupboard steams or irons or
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  Speaker 1: the clothes for you. Yeah, can we just make them
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  Speaker 1: affordable for everybody? I want one of those? Oh my goodness. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So they're the first two scripts. I've just thought of another.
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  Speaker 1: I know I've said three, but I just thought of
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  Speaker 1: another one. We're nearly out of time, so I need
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  Speaker 1: to be quick. Here's the second script, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the three e'es script. Sounds like you're really frustrated about
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  Speaker 1: what I just asked will you help me to see
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  Speaker 1: what's bothering you and let's see if we can work
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  Speaker 1: something out together. Now, I know that sounds a little
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  Speaker 1: bit staged because I've got that as a written script,
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  Speaker 1: But if you write that down and practice saying it,
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  Speaker 1: it'll come out of your mouth really, really comfortably and
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  Speaker 1: really helpfully right at the time that you need it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a practice thing you're saying sounds like you're really
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  Speaker 1: frustrated about what I just asked. Tell me what's bothering you?
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  Speaker 1: I reckon, we can work out a better solution if
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  Speaker 1: this doesn't work. So you see how I've just rephrased
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  Speaker 1: that and it feels so much more real.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. A few weeks ago I shared the experience of
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  Speaker 2: working through our nighttime routine with Emily. We have been
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  Speaker 2: having some big emotions around going to bed and just
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  Speaker 2: being able to sit down with her and acknowledge that
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  Speaker 2: she's feeling some frustration around it and can we talk
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  Speaker 2: about what it might look like if we did things
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  Speaker 2: her way. Yeah, she pretty much ticked all the boxes
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  Speaker 2: of what I wanted, but it was her decision.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: She literally came up with everything that we wanted.
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  Speaker 1: It's the validations. Yeah, and all of a sudden, the
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  Speaker 1: kids calm down and they start to solve problems with you,
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  Speaker 1: which is really what discipline's about.
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  Speaker 2: And what's your last script?
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  Speaker 1: So the last one is one that I come down
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  Speaker 1: a bit heavy on the kids with every now and again.
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  Speaker 1: The soft ones, the validation ones, the giving in fantasy
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  Speaker 1: ones just don't work. And so the slightly heavier script is,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a chance to rethink what
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  Speaker 1: you just said, and I want you to try again
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  Speaker 1: in harmony with our values this time. So you're drawing
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  Speaker 1: a really clear line in the sand. You're not getting
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  Speaker 1: them in trouble, but you're just saying, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to do any problem solving here. Don't have time for it.
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  Speaker 1: But you need to work on that.
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  Speaker 2: So, because we're dealing with girls in our home, I
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  Speaker 2: kind of reframe that a little bit on my end
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  Speaker 2: because I recognize that more times than not, they're not
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  Speaker 2: able to shift very fast, and so I'll often just
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  Speaker 2: give them an opportunity to go away and think about it,
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  Speaker 2: and when they feel like they can come back and
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  Speaker 2: talk to me in a way that I can hear, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that we can have this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Use that one a few times myself as well. Why
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  Speaker 1: do you have to think about what you just said
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  Speaker 1: and we will talk about it again in a half
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  Speaker 1: an hour. Yeah, works, treat. Okay, we need to wrap
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  Speaker 1: it up there. We really hope that these ideas have
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