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#246 First Foods & Lunchbox Hacks With Jules from The Bable · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Matt, there's one thing that really drives me wild every
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  Speaker 1: weekday morning.
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  Speaker 2: I know what it is? Oh, go on, probably traffic. Traffic.
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  Speaker 2: You get a note of traffic that's up there. You
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  Speaker 2: don't like boomers, You're very attacking of the boomers. It's
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with that, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Is it making lunch boxes for kids?
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say hemorrhoids.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's there too.
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  Speaker 2: What do you like with making food? How would you?
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  Speaker 3: We'll find out during this episode, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So we are.
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  Speaker 4: We are going to actually do a little a little
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  Speaker 4: test on this episode. Ash and I are going to
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  Speaker 4: compete where we have we've made a lunch because we're
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  Speaker 4: going to get our guests on this episode to rate
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  Speaker 4: what our lunch boxes are like from a dietary perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and good news is Matt, she's a qualified nutritionis
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  Speaker 1: it's jewels from the Babel I believe it is, which
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  Speaker 1: is the baby food Bible and now the lunchbox Bible.
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  Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot I don't know about food.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I know where it goes, I know where it
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  Speaker 1: comes out of and that's about it.
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  Speaker 2: That's about all I know. I mean, the kids, I
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  Speaker 2: try and give them a vegetable here and there.
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  Speaker 3: I know that my kids are talking to me about Macro's.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the talk about spending the first time
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  Speaker 2: with April.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's face it, Matt, we probably most of us
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  Speaker 1: need help in this department.
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  Speaker 2: Speak for yourself.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's get into it and find out.
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  Speaker 2: Can't wait. Welcome back to two doting dads and one
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  Speaker 2: doting mum.
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  Speaker 3: I am Maddie, Jay, I'm Ash, and I'm Jewels.
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  Speaker 2: This is a podcast all about parenting.
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  Speaker 4: It is the good, it is the bad and the relatable,
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  Speaker 4: and we never give advice because we're not experts.
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  Speaker 2: However, Jewels, you are the experts today.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome, thank you, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just double check you are? You are qualified? Nutritions?
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  Speaker 5: I am?
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  Speaker 4: I am how We'll get into it later, but just quickly.
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  Speaker 4: How long do you study?
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  Speaker 5: I studied five years, but half of it was part
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  Speaker 5: time because it was COVID and I was having babies.
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  Speaker 2: So that's legit. Okay, you're not one of those fake ones.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, one of those fake online ones. He just
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  Speaker 3: likes food. Guilty.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a nutritionalist because I like to eat, but it's
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  Speaker 1: more complex than that Oreos.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've had to go off the oreos. I've
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  Speaker 3: told you that I didn't know for what reason. I
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  Speaker 3: think I was going to shit an oreo at one point.
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  Speaker 5: How many are we talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I sent Laura to the shops to get eight
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  Speaker 3: packs of oreos.
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  Speaker 2: It's a problem.
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  Speaker 3: It's a problem. Hang on, I quit drinking.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, you need advice, I understand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've cut back. I've had to cut back. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's why I'm so moody.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, we.
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  Speaker 1: Usually start these episodes finding out a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: the person that is yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Do you recall the most trouble you got into as
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  Speaker 3: a child.
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  Speaker 5: I very much do recall. Okay, it's imprinted in my mind.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, childhood trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I have to talk about it.
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  Speaker 5: But it has created trauma for it for me. And
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you. I when I was sixteen, I had
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  Speaker 5: a boyfriend who I'm not proud about, sorry if you're listening,
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  Speaker 5: and absolutely not, and my parents were going away for
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  Speaker 5: the weekend and he was absolutely not allowed to sleep
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  Speaker 5: over because you know, I'm sixteen. I could even have
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  Speaker 5: been younger, but let's not go sixteen, no, no, no, sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: Is fine, and he was thirty five.
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  Speaker 5: There's a second that they left the house to go away.
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  Speaker 5: I thought I was messaging him to tell him to
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  Speaker 5: come over and stay the night. But of course I
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  Speaker 5: messaged my mom because she was what was on my
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  Speaker 5: mind at the time, like, oh my god, I'm doing this.
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  Speaker 5: I'm messaging him he's coming over to sleep, and I
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  Speaker 5: think the message went something like baby, because you're sixteen
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  Speaker 5: and they've just left, come over as in sleep. It
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  Speaker 5: was definitely a sleepover. And my mom messaged me called
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  Speaker 5: me straight away, and when I saw the call coming in,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, that's weird. Oh god, like they've just left,
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  Speaker 5: Like what's happening. And then she called me and she's
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  Speaker 5: just started like lashing out, And then I had to
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  Speaker 5: pretend that it was my friend that I was messaging,
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  Speaker 5: and she's like, you don't call mail baby, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 5: and I just it was just an absolute disaster. I
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  Speaker 5: was absolutely grounded for a month.
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  Speaker 2: Did you try and get out of it?
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  Speaker 5: I did, and I said it was my friend and
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  Speaker 5: she's like, I know you don't call her baby, I
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  Speaker 5: know you've invited X, not saying his name over tonight.
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  Speaker 5: This is absolutely unacceptable. Should we come home? Started ranting
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  Speaker 5: with my dad. Should we come home?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Did you marry that man?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely? And ever since then, you know, when you're writing
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  Speaker 5: like a tricky message or a message maybe about someone else,
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  Speaker 5: and then I'm for everything? Am I sending it to
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  Speaker 5: that person?
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  Speaker 3: I think?
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  Speaker 5: So it's created this little bit of like maybe good anxiety.
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  Speaker 5: Actually I think I needed that.
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  Speaker 3: We've all done it.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think everyone in some capacities I have definitely.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what I actually did it to make
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  Speaker 4: you feel a little bit better? I did it last week.
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  Speaker 4: I did it with Nana, Oh God, and actually very
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  Speaker 4: on topic because she was making chicken schnitzel and she
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  Speaker 4: she cut it up and gave it to Lola for
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  Speaker 4: school the next day, and my sister on that day
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  Speaker 4: then picked up the kids. Both kids chicken schnitzel, not
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  Speaker 4: touched and they said we didn't we didn't like it.
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  Speaker 4: And I was speaking to my sister and then after
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I went to message her to say,
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  Speaker 4: don't tell Nana the kids because she'll be devastated.
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  Speaker 2: And I sent that Nana and she was like.
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  Speaker 5: What I think this happens with everyone.
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  Speaker 1: We've all done it, and the feeling, it's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: the feeling is pure dread.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I feel.
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  Speaker 5: I actually have a friend who did that to her boss.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if I can go into any more detail,
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  Speaker 5: but she basically had to resign afterwards. I would say
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  Speaker 5: that definitely trumps it. Yeah, okay, surely, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Nan is used to like, we've given a shit about
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  Speaker 1: a cooking for year, and I think she was.
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  Speaker 2: I thought this was actually the chicken schnitzer.
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  Speaker 3: That's her, like, moved on from the spaghetti.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's just that's the backbone. But the real hero
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  Speaker 2: is the chicken schnitty.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's kids, right, We've got some. You know,
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  Speaker 5: kids aren't going to enjoy everything adults enjoy. You might
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  Speaker 5: be loving the shit.
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  Speaker 4: So breaker Yeah, speaking of kids, Yes, how are your two?
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  Speaker 5: They're great, They're great, They're they're full on. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just learning to be that mum that has very active,
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  Speaker 5: busy kids, defiant, headstrong.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they're all like that though.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The age that my daughter's out, she's three, it's like
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  Speaker 5: nothing I've ever experienced. My son was absolutely not like that.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 4: Because I have to also say that anytime I make
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  Speaker 4: fun of little boys on this podcast, I'm very much joking.
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  Speaker 4: I love all children equally in a very platonic way.
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  Speaker 5: I just think it's an age thing, but then it's
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  Speaker 5: also a personality thing, Like she's just incredibly independent and headstrong,
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  Speaker 5: and she has been from the very get go, and
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  Speaker 5: I find it really challenging as a parent. There's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of you know, like, I don't want to be
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  Speaker 5: this super strict parent. My husband's very relaxed parents, so
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  Speaker 5: that in itself is an interesting dynamic. But I also
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  Speaker 5: need to hold these boundaries, and I find it really
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  Speaker 5: hard when there's just you're you're on something for an
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  Speaker 5: hour and you're not getting anywhere, and then you're just
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  Speaker 5: kind of throwing in the towel and you're like, oh, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: that was a waste of time. And I think it's
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  Speaker 5: going to be for the best when she's older. I
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  Speaker 5: think she's going to be an absolute But you.
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  Speaker 2: Just riding through the storm right now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's a big storm.
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  Speaker 2: But how do you compare because you got three and
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  Speaker 2: a half.
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  Speaker 5: And five and a half she's three and he's five
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  Speaker 5: and a half.
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  Speaker 2: How do you compare this phase to the newborn phase?
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, I wish that I knew when I
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  Speaker 5: had a newborn how easy it was. I think about,
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  Speaker 5: if I'm comparing it, A lot of people say when
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  Speaker 5: they have newborns, oh my god, this is so full on.
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  Speaker 5: Oh but you've got two kids, and you know, I
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  Speaker 5: can't imagine. But I do think when you have a newborn,
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  Speaker 5: this is the first time you're a parent. It is
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  Speaker 5: incredibly new and overwhelming. But in hindsight, it was so
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  Speaker 5: much easier than having a toddler.
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  Speaker 1: They can't move you sort of you if you stick
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  Speaker 1: to the routine and you I find that like, as
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  Speaker 1: soon as they start to get on the move and
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  Speaker 1: they can do their own thing, it does.
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  Speaker 3: It's a different level of absolutely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I just I wish I was a bit more maybe relaxed.
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  Speaker 5: Really yeah, I found it really hard.
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  Speaker 2: I did with both number one and number two.
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  Speaker 5: Especially number two. I found that really tough.
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  Speaker 3: The juggle, okay, like the logistical juggle of it all.
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  Speaker 5: I guess for us, I never stopped working. I never
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  Speaker 5: had Matt leave. I was always writing books and working
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  Speaker 5: on recipes, and this was the business never stopped because
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  Speaker 5: it was kind of in its infancy stage. So having
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  Speaker 5: a second baby whilst trying to finish off a book,
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  Speaker 5: whilst having a two year gap, really struggling with things
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  Speaker 5: like breastfeeding throughout the whole process, like it.
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  Speaker 3: Was just a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I am one of those people that if I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to write an email, I need to focus on the
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  Speaker 4: task at hand entirely, And if there's a toddler of
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  Speaker 4: child crawling on the floor that's about to put a
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  Speaker 4: fork in a power socket, thankfully, I can't concentrate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I find any little distraction. I find it very true.
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  Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 2: Could you breastfeed with baby number one?
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  Speaker 5: Or I breastfed with both? But I struggled immensely with both.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know from the get go, from the very minute,
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  Speaker 5: like I had every single actation consultant in the hospitals
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  Speaker 5: both times around trying to get them to latch, and
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  Speaker 5: neither baby did, and I was so determin and to breastfeed.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how to explain this feeling, but like.
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  Speaker 2: I just as men. Yeah, I don't think we will
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  Speaker 2: ever be able.
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  Speaker 4: To truly appreciate the pressure that mums go through when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to breastfeeding.
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  Speaker 2: What does that feel like?
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  Speaker 5: It's a lot I think as a nutritionus as well,
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  Speaker 5: you know, knowing how beneficial it is for our babies
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  Speaker 5: and they're not being able to do it is a
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  Speaker 5: really hard pill to swallow.
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  Speaker 2: Why does it benefit more?
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  Speaker 5: Listen, I totally understand how many people firstly can't breastfeed
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  Speaker 5: or don't want to breastfeed, and absolutely no judgment. I
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  Speaker 5: think for me, it was just you're setting them up
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  Speaker 5: with this incredible immunity. You know, you're giving them these
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  Speaker 5: antibodies that can really it's liquid gold essentially, and the
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  Speaker 5: benefits of the early days of being able to give
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  Speaker 5: that to them definitely sets them up to thrive. I'm
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  Speaker 5: not saying you can't get that from formula and good
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  Speaker 5: food later on, but those first six months are incredibly beneficial.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be, as I normally are on these
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  Speaker 4: podcast episodes, a little bit stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Is it colostrum?
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  Speaker 5: So when it's coming into colostrum initially I got it.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you're there, right, So you.
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  Speaker 5: Express colostrum when you can do it before the baby
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  Speaker 5: actually comes, and then those early days.
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  Speaker 4: Can you guys give a bit more reaction for I
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  Speaker 4: was going to say colostrophe, but so you've done really
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  Speaker 4: well there that's the first time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well done.
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  Speaker 5: And that's a hard word as well, it is yeah
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  Speaker 5: to interrupt. No, that's okay, and that is that liquid gold.
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  Speaker 2: Then did you struggle from day dot.
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  Speaker 5: Day dot with both kids?
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  Speaker 3: I know, was it latching or what like?
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  Speaker 5: Just so with my son George, it was latching, and
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  Speaker 5: obviously I'd never breastfed before, so that was really hard.
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  Speaker 5: I just couldn't get him latched on. And a lot
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  Speaker 5: of women do struggle with this, But prior to having babies,
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  Speaker 5: you don't realize how many people are struggling with it.
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  Speaker 5: You just it's not something that's ever entered your sphere.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you have no idea. You're like, oh, of
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  Speaker 5: course I'm gonna have a baby and then I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to breastfeed. And I think that this is a misconception.
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  Speaker 5: People don't realize until they start trying how difficult it
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  Speaker 5: can be, and then you start to think, why me,
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  Speaker 5: why am I not able to do this? So I
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  Speaker 5: remember with George, I had to use nipple shields. I
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  Speaker 5: had multiple appointments.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 5: What's a nipple shield?
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, yes, I feel like there's a lot of this,
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  Speaker 4: like a jousting stick as well.
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  Speaker 5: It's like a little thing. It's like a little piece
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  Speaker 5: of silicon that you put on your nipple that is
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  Speaker 5: like an extended nipple. So maybe sometimes your nipples aren't
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I guess the latch is too shallow.
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  Speaker 5: They're not grabbing on. So if you're putting this silicon
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  Speaker 5: which replicates a nipple, they're then sucking on that. It's
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  Speaker 5: almost a bit dummy like, but it's on your nipple.
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  Speaker 5: So if you suck hard enough, the baby stuts hard enough,
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  Speaker 5: they're then getting the milk out.
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  Speaker 3: I had no mean either. I thought it was just
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  Speaker 3: to protection nipple.
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  Speaker 5: And no, no it's not. And it can be used
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  Speaker 5: to protect your nipple. And I actually use that with
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  Speaker 5: baby number two to protect my nipple as well. But
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  Speaker 5: when you're trying to get a baby to latch and
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  Speaker 5: you're trying to use a nipple shield and you're in
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  Speaker 5: absolute ten out of ten pain, you can't just like
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  Speaker 5: have a newborn and be out at the cafe and
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  Speaker 5: just pop your baby on the boob. It's like really
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  Speaker 5: quite isolating. You're at home holding your breath for an
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  Speaker 5: hour of the feed, crying essentially like it was. It
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  Speaker 5: sounds dramatic, but it is dramatic if they're not latching,
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  Speaker 5: and they're really their latch is basically giving you a
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  Speaker 5: lot of pain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's also like if they're not feeding off
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  Speaker 1: the breast, there's also risk of mastitis.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, so I had a lot of mastitis, Like I've
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  Speaker 5: had mustatis five times.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: A marstaitis is it's an infection that comes because the
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  Speaker 5: milk is not coming out, so you start to get
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  Speaker 5: blocked milk ducks. So it builds up and you get
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  Speaker 5: this infection that often needs antibio to be able to clear.
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  Speaker 5: But when you're breastfeeding, you don't really want to take
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  Speaker 5: the antibiotics. Can you still breastfeed with the antibodox And
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  Speaker 5: I had to take it two out of the five
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  Speaker 5: times because it was either antibiotics or you're going to hospital.
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  Speaker 5: So it can get really severe and then eventually as
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  Speaker 5: you go you kind of learn how to make sure
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  Speaker 5: that it flows through and any early onset signs of
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  Speaker 5: mastitis which is like real red marks which actually appear
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  Speaker 5: on your breast. That is when you can see, okay,
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  Speaker 5: something's blocked. Let's try and get it out. So then
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  Speaker 5: you'll go and have an appointment with like a woman's physio,
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  Speaker 5: which I can't tell you how much money they took
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  Speaker 5: of mine to help me breastfeed physias.
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  Speaker 3: Problem. I'll just say it, yes.
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  Speaker 5: I guess. Bottom line, it's not. It doesn't come natural
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  Speaker 5: to everyone, and it's really easy to throw in the
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  Speaker 5: towel because it's a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of pain for anyone who hasn't experienced mastitis, mostly men
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  Speaker 4: myself included.
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  Speaker 2: Present Sho Cora. I've never had it, not yet. What
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  Speaker 2: does that pain feel like?
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  Speaker 5: I thought after giving birth that I had that was it? Like?
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  Speaker 5: There's no worse pain that a woman can experience. I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't say that mastatus is worse, but it's on part
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  Speaker 5: like it's an infection in your boob. Even the wind
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  Speaker 5: walking with wind kind of slightly moving your body or
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  Speaker 5: touching on your boob is like excruciating ten out of ten,
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  Speaker 5: Like you have to walk around. I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: this is a bit like graphic, but you have to
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  Speaker 5: walk around holding your boobs when it gets so bad
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  Speaker 5: because any movement. You're like screaming, Oh really yeah, it
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  Speaker 5: can how long, well until the infection is released. So
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  Speaker 5: I would spend like hours in the bath just trying
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  Speaker 5: to relieve the pain with hot water. It's a ten
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  Speaker 5: out of ten pain. And I think it's really cruel
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: after a woman has gone through childbirth and then they're
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: taking care of this little baby and then wham bam,
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: you get my situs. It's really unfair.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Funk off, give me a break.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that painful. Like I knew
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: it was painful, but like far out.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: But if you get it when it's really early, then
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: of course it's not going to be as bad. But
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: if the infection really takes over your whole boob, and
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: I remember at once age I had it in both
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: boobs and then just imagine, well I don't know if
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: you can imagine, but then a baby trying to latch
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: on to your nipple with mass titus under your nipple. Nope,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: it's like you just cry while they're feeding, and then
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: the lead up to the feed, Okay, they're starting to cry,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: they're going to need to eat now, Oh my god.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: And I just remember looking at my husband he's like,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: you can do it, you can do this. I don't
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: think I can. And my kids didn't take bottles, and
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: oh my god, the anxiety and the lead up and
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: then they'd latch and you'd just start crying. It was
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: just the pain was like like nothing else, like on
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: par with pushing out.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm so sorry to any mum that is scared
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: of bestitis. But all I can say is look for
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: the early warning signs of any redness on your boob
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: or when you're starting to feel the pain. You've kind
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: of got to like squeeze it out in the shower.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: But sometimes it doesn't work. Oh, this is hopeless, but
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: it's Yeah, if you can get it early, you should
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: be okay. But also it's unfair because the first time
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: mom has no idea what to look for. Yeah, like
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: what did I know about mustitis? And people like put
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: cabbage leaves on your boob, Like that does not work
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: if it's like a full grade infection. Yeah, caby, it
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: never worked for me. I tried everything.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: It was information men, probably cabbage on it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Just someone at a fruit shop, some cabbage it's on sale.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: It makes me want to almost when I'm at the
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: park and if a mom's breastfeeding just on the park bench, yep,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I want.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: To be like, you're so lucky.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: I feel that every time I see a new mum breastfeeding.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: I was like, I wasn't at the park. I was
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: at home, like crying. And then my daughter, my second,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: she completely broke my nipples like it was. I was
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: then pumping at three in the morning so that I
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: could then give her a bottle. But you didn't want
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: to take a bottle, and I was just trying to
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: pump to give her a break from my nipples, like
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: what women go through. Like you think childbirth is enough. No, no,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: then let's ruin your boobs and let's give you this
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: pain and then let's get mast idis.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: It's like a big pylon, isn't it really, Because I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: mean there's already enough complications with the birth, and then
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: no matter what happens.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: There, you're regardless.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: You're in for this period of time of relentlessness.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Absolutely so, how do you get a good headspace? Then
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: if you're juggling the business, you're juggling little ones.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Even when you had your second, you've got two little
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: ones running around the house, which is difficult.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: You sleep deprived.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: You're feeling like a bit of a failure because you're
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: not doing what you always wanted to do, which is breastfeed.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: How do you get your headspace on the right track.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: I think it's just you just don't really have a choice,
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: you know, Like for me, I got through the breastfeeding journey.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I went on to breastfeed for quite a while because
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: it was like, I'm not giving up now, you know.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: It took me three months with both kids to get
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: it right. But then breastfeeding actually becomes really easy once
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: you get it right, once they latch, it's so much
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: easier than bottles and formula and all the things. So
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: that actually makes things easier once you get it right.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: But I think you're in this fog and you don't
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: really You kind of have to laugh otherwise you cry
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: the intensity of it all. You're looking back, you kind
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: of laugh, like how did I do that? And people
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: always ask us like how did you release a book
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: with a newborn? And we're like, I have no idea,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Like I feel like I don't remember any of it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure what happened, and did.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: You prove read the book and go what the fuck?
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: And I was actually like surprised with wow, like this
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: is pretty good.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Was that the Lunchbox Bible?
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: No, this was Baby Food Bible? Lunchbox Bible with the second.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I will say it's pretty thick. Yeah, And
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: like you did all that while having a second child,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and then you just said I don't really remember it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, having other kid, look at the size
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: of that thing.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: What was the first book?
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: So we started working on Baby Food Bible when our
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: first babies were one, just after probably one. That's when
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: we were really feeding, starting solids. We'd been through the
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: first six months and we were really getting into our
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: groove and we realized like how no one knew what
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: they were doing. You know. For example, we were in
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: multiple mothers groups and the questions were all the same,
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: what are we doing? What are we feeding our baby today?
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Is this good? Is that good? And as in someone
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: that had already studied nutrition, I was like, oh my god,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: I'm overwhelmed with this because you're not the general nutrition degree.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: You're not honing in on baby nutrition for longer than
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I don't know, a couple of weeks. So people were
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: really confused, and we were confused, and we're like well,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: we need to do something about this because there was
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: such a gap in the market. It's either like really
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: relaxed or really intense, and we didn't really like either
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: of those approaches. We wanted to find our own, so
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: laws she started studying baby nutrition. So with my nutrition
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: degree and her niche of baby nutrition together, we started
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: coming up with this really well rounded approach of what
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: we wanted to do with our babies, started sharing it
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: with our friends and our mother's groups, and started doing
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: it with our own children, and quickly realizing that we're
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: onto something. We're like, we've got this, we know what
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: we're doing now, and we're actually coming up with some
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: really cool recipes. And then, randomly on a walk one day,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: because Los and I met when our babies were three
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: months old and we just became each other's people through
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: the trenches of you know, firstborn motherhood, we thought, should
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: we just write a book, Like, let's do a little
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: passion project, And we started putting all of our ideas together,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: started coming up with all these recipes, and then we thought, well,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: how are we going to sell this book? Well, like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: we should probably start an Instagram account. So of course,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: we started an Instagram account and then started just sharing
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: all of the things we were doing and very quickly realized,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: oh wow, people need this. Yeah, sure, Like this is
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: you've just come out of the fog six months of
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: newborn life, and now all of a sudden you've got
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: to start feeding this tiny human, which is very different
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: to how you feed yourself.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: We did a meal for Poppy. It was pretty simple.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: It was just like salt, potato, zucchini and it was
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: just like boiled up, blended and she fucking devoured it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Well she she is ten months.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Oh great.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: And I did a story on Instagram being like, there's
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: no better feeling than when your baby eats the full bowl.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And everyone was like, what was in that?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Get me right now?
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: They want to be told.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, whoa.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Because everyone goes through I just remember asked, we go
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: through that phase of let's try this, let's try that,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: let's try this, which I guess works in it in
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: some capacity. But if you want it to be successful
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and stick, I suppose you've got to have a plan, right.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, can I ask those key timelines of I always
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: get surprised when you actually start.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I was already pop, already come over here, off breast.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: When did you start?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I think it was like six months? I think is that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: She said that?
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: That spot on in my opinion.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: All right, so dad's if you're listening, that's the answer.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Write this down.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Can you give kind of key timelines? And I totally
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: appreciate that every child is different, but what are some
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: of those key milestone dates for newborns and introducing food?
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, so there's a lot people might be listening and think, oh, no,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: I disagree, But from our research and studies and experiences,
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: we believe there is no rush. So some people might
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: start at four months. Some pediatricians might say, oh, start
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: tolers at four months. Four months, they're little, they're not sitting,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: they have no head and net control. At four months old,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: they're not necessarily interested in food. So those are some
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: real key signs you want to be looking for. And
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: you know, we want them to be able to sit
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: up on their own because we want them to be
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: able to digest their food accordingly as well. You know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: sitting four months, you're usually in like a little bouncer
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: or you're kind of reclined, and they're babies, Like, let's
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: just enjoy the baby phase and the breast milk phase
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: or the formula phase, whatever you're choosing to do. Usually
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: all these readiness signs come around five to six months,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: so I was very much six months on the nose
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: with both kids, even though one was maybe ready at
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: five and a half. I kind of waited because I'm like,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: I'm feeding this kid for the rest of their life.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Let's just enjoy the next few weeks of boob.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Because it's a mess, and specially it's a lot. It's
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a mess, it's a lot.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: But I understand the excitement, especially as a new mum,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: you get with, oh, it's time to start solids. Let's
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: just take a breath.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And when they when you say, well, giving them a chop?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah for six months?
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: No you can what? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. I gave my
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: second daughter, my second daughter. I gave my daughter to
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: my second child a chop a six months, so just
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: to suck on I guess absolutely absolutely not to start
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: a lamb chop. Yes, yes, we love lamb chop because
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: what they're doing is they're sucking out all the iron
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: rich juices, and iron is something is the most important
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: thing we want to think about when starting solids, because
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: at six months, their iron stores deplete and they need
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: a huge amount of iron in their diet for healthy
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: development to thrive.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: So you're stuck on lamb chop.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: But I also know that there is a lot of
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: anxiety around things like giving them what we call baby
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: lead weating baby lead weening, which essentially is you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: not pures. It's giving them pieces of food that they
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: can pick up. And there is a lot of anxiety
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: around that with choking, and I felt that with my first.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Of course, with my second was very different because I
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: knew a lot more than I did with my first.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: But a lamb chop is probably the exception of baby
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: led weening in terms of that's something that's hard and
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: you know, especially when they're very young, that they're not
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: going to start taking bites out of yep. So we
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: kind of call it the squish test in general when
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: it comes to feeding kids, of if you can squish
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: something between your fingers, you know that that's a safe
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: option to give your child.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Like a boiled characterstick.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. So when it comes to the squish test,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: you just want to make sure that the food that
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: you're offering can be squished in between your index and
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: thumb finger so if you're putting something in between your
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: fingers and you're not squishing it all the way down
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: to nothing, then I would avoid giving your child that
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: food whilst they're learning. I would always just make sure
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: that you are choosing foods that squish down between your
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: index finger and your thumb so that they can then
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: chew it with their gums as opposed to trying to
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: swallow something that's hard that could get lodged. But yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: a lot of parents start with purets at six months,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: which is a really nice, safe way to do it,
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: and you're giving them different pures to explore. Sometimes you
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: can load up the spoon and give them the spoon
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: so they can practice taking it to their mouth. But
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: then eventually we do want to move on to baby
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: lead weaning for them to feed themselves, to be able
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: to develop those fine motor.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Skills and timing wise.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: By nine months, you really want them to be having
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: something baby lad weaning style in their day.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you what we're using for poppy. Yeah, great,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: and you can tell me if I'm doing a stupid
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: thing or not.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're just going to come out and say it.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: So nervous I.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Can't wait to hear this pasta.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, spiral partner, Yeah, is that good?
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Continue spiral pasta yeah, full stop, yes, spiral yes, okay,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: and she's ten months old.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, she loves it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, she loves it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: That's pretty so you yeah, yeah, it's soft. Are we
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: talking about nutritional value? Are we talking about safety?
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Wait? Did you do it el dente? Or did you
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: do it? Better? Be got through?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: She just devours it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: So I'll give her some cure and that will be
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: some vegetables that have been boiled and blended up, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: then to finish it off, second course, I'll give her
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: like five little spirals of pasta and then she would
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: just like naur on that and really fat.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Okay cool, yeah, no, that's absolutely fine. Can I give
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: you a tip please? Okay? Yeah, stop that. No, I'm kidding.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a tip. Just don't no, not at all.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: But this is what I love to do and what
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: we talk about a lot in our books of how
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: we can really amplify the nutrition when starting solid. So
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: a really good alternative still is spiral potentially and pasta,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: but we look for like a pulse pasta. So because
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: they're not they haven't yet tried all these things. You're
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: giving them something and they're tasting it with any knowledge
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: of if it tastes nice or just because you don't
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: like something. Don't let that be the thing that you're
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: kind of relaying on to them. So a pulse pasta
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: would be made out of legumes. So you've got a
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: chickpea pasta or a bean pasta or a lentil pasta
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: that they sell I need on spin in the major
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: like they're very accessible in the major supermarkets. Yes we
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: live in Sydney, but hoping that they are, they are
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: around a lot more than they used to be. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: think it's the most amazing food innovation. So you're still
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: giving them that pasta, but it's actually made out of
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent lentils or one hundred percent chickpeas. And
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: what is so good about that is that is rich
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: in iron.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Because what's pasta got nothing?
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: It's wheat, it's carbs, And that is absolutely fine if
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: they have a decent sized appetite and that's alongside something
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: that is iron rich. But whilst they're little, we don't
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: want to be loading them up too much on the
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: white refined carbohydrates because we want them to be taking
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: in as much iron rich food as possible.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Can I answer another question please.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: And this is not come from any research, it's kind
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: of just I feel like it's just a perception that
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: has been passed on to me that when you are
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: with a with like Poppy again ten months, when you're
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: creating these little recipes. So the one that Laura did
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: recently was the sweet potato potato and zucchini, I have
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: this feeling that you shouldn't try and do too much
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: sugary fruit like pear and apples, because you don't want
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: them to get hooked on that sugar, the natural sugars.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Yes, it really depends on the child's appetite. So if
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: they are hungry ten months old and they want all
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: the food, that's absolutely fine, and it is fine regardless
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: you're feeding your baby. But what we could do is
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: give them some of the more sour flavors or the
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: bigger flavors. For example, I'm going to use sardines as
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: an example. Well, my favorite.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: You went right, You're right to the end.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Of this, okay, So do you guys like sardines?
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I like sardines?
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Yuck?
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: So sorry, let's use let's use ash as an example.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: You don't like sardines, would you then not feed your
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: baby sardines.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Right there, all out in the house.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: So maybe not a great example because they are quite stenchy,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: but sardines is an amazing first food for babies. It's
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: got really big flavors. So instead of loading them up
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: on the you know, starchy calves or the fruit, the
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: sweet fruits, giving them big flavors is going to help
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: adapt their palette.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: It's either that or everything else is better than this, right,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: So it's like this is the worst I'm going to eat.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Everything else is going to be much better than this.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I projecting ash.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: That's just it works.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Like kids, babies love sardines, and what you're getting in
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: that is something that's really iron rich and oily fish,
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: which is rich in to meg three and it's also
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: got the bones which are absolutely safe. They can they
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: passed the squish test and that's rich in calcium. So
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: they are like nutritional powerhouses.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Why is no one telling me.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: It's because you need a baby food Bible map there.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: It is, well, yeah, good, good.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Wowling skill set.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: But these types of foods, the big flavors, things like
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: sour kraut. Do you guys like sour kraut.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: On a Reuben? Yeah, well Reuben.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: So that's also another great example of a real sour flavor.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: So we want it. Firstly, it's an amazing gut powerhouse
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: sour kraut. But it's really good to be able to
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: offer them these sowery foods and not just the sweet flavors.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: So I think my biggest tip here is just because
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: you don't love a food, don't let that stop you
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: from giving it to your baby.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I had this mindset of just vegetable boil blend, that's it, sunning,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: that's it. I feel like I'm going to do this.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I mean to go to the show by a sardine, by
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: a chop, give it to probably for dinner tonight, and
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Laura's gonna be like, what are you doing?
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Going to be like, oh God, Things like like tin
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: fish can be your best friend. Super affordable wild cought
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: and that's a really great baby lad weening thing as
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: well as you can pure it. But that's super soft
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: and safe for them to eat, so you just put
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: them on the plate. Wild caught salmon.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Oysters, no honey.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Though, no, no, honey before twelve months.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Talk to was about that, because I do remember, like
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I've been WinCE, I've had a baby. Okay, so well
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: my wife's had a baby and I was co parenting
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Well said, anyway, thank you, honey. What's the what's what's
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: the deal.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Have you heard of the word botulism?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I have? I have? So you have no botulism like
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: a salmonella type thing.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it can be present in honey, which is
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: let me just preface, it is so incredibly rare. But
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: we don't want to take chances with our babies because
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: if they contracted it, they could get very sick and
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: it could be fatal. So we want to try and
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: stay away from honey before twelve months. But let me
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: also say that we don't really want to be giving
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: them added sugars before twelve months anyway. This is this
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: window of opportunity where we can be giving them the
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: most nutritious food, big flavors, because they've never tried ice
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: cream before. Hopefully not.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like I was stuffed up here.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: There's no stuffing up right.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Damned no one of my kids eating nothing but corn thins, Like.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: You only know what you know. So that's why we're
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: kind of here to try and educate because we get it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Like if I hadn't studied, I would have no idea
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: if we hadn't gone down this rabbit hole. So hopefully
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: people listening will think, Okay, firstly we'll buy baby food
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: Bible and secondly.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: No, please, I'm like pitch it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's just about thinking when you are young
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: and a baby. The biggest tips I can give is
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: iron rich, don't go for the added sugars, try to
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: reduce those real sweet foods. Fruit is absolutely fine alongside
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: an iron rich diet. Fruit has so many amazing nutrients.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: But I wouldn't be starting on going crazy with the fruit.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: This is especially when they have tiny little appetites. They're
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: tummies are tiny, so we don't want to be loading
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: that little tummy with things that aren't going to be
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: super beneficial in terms of like iron rich foods.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Just a lambshank, I I suppose they would just suck.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: On it really at the end of the day, Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: absolutely so, I think. You know, sometimes I remember with
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: my daughter, when I saw that she started actually trying
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: to take pieces out of it. That's when I stopped
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: giving her the lamb shank, and that's when it really
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: takes into affect the squish test. So it's also you
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: have to feed your baby what you feel comfortable doing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: What are your.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Top three foods for a baby under twelve months?
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: I love egg. Egg is rich in colon, scramble anything.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Egg is super soft, so scramble it up. It takes
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: like one minute, or give them a little omelet cut
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: it up for them, and it's a really great baby
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: led weaning form. So egg is great, rich and colon,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: great for brain development. Slow cooked meats, so if we're
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: talking outside of our lamb chop, which you know I love,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: slow cooked meats are great. Or bolonnaise. Bolonnaise is great
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: for pureeing as well as I actually used to stuff
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: things like bolonnaise or sour kraut or bone broth into
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: one of those mesh feeders and give it to my
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: kids so that they're practicing that hole developing their fine
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: motor skills. Worked really well. I love one of them.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Mesh feeder can be messy, though, but you.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Know what, like starting solids is messy, Yeah, I feel
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: like it's a part of the contains it's part of
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: the fun though.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I remember Oscar we us trying foods with him and
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that was really fun. I know it was messy in
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: a bit of a nightmare, but if you go into
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: it thinking this is all like all.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: A bit of fun, then the mess isn't that.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Let's give her a lot.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: But the thing is to say to that point is
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: it's really important for their development and they're learning to
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: actually create mess and immerse their hands, their tiny little
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: hands in all these different textures. So don't be that parent.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: And if you have been, that's absolutely okay because we've
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: all done things that we didn't know any better for.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: But don't have like a wipe or a rag where
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: every bite they take, don't clean up after them. Let
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: them get messy. Get yourself a catchy.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I had a catchy actually.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: Because that actually promotes like, you know, just let it fallward,
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: let them throw it and kind of just you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: I guess contained.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Catchy or a dog.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, yep, you don't need both one or the other.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And it is that.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: And what's the third food?
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Okay, Sardine's is my number one pick, to.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Be honest, I can't wait to see Poppy try and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to give it one, but.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Honestly, Sardin's tin salmon as well, things like that beautiful mackerel.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Fish longers. I'm going to come home and got fish
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: hanging up down the hallway. Yeah, that one's dry now,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: it's poppies for later.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about when the kids are a little bit older.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: What are your kids like with food?
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Ash fussy?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: They go through both of them, yeah, but at different phases.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Like I know Macy, I was always like, she's my eater,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: but now she's just trolling me.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I reckon and she's realistically not eating anything, like it's
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: such a struggle.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: She actually ate some curry last night when I wasn't there.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: That's what makes me feel.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, big flavors, Yeah.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But like but a chicken. What was it?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it was one of those
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Marley Spoon curries. I wasn't I was absent for that one.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: That's why she ate it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think both both kids are pretty fussy.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, getting better now he's sort of getting older and
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: They do grow out of it, and it's very normal
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: to have fussy eaters at some stage of their life.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Some kids hit it at eighteen months that can be
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: really popular to start going through. They're kind of like
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: they've got this newfound independence and they're like, I don't
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: have to have that. I'm not going to have it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: We might be moving out if that's the case.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: So yes, from eighteen months they can have a real
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: fussy streak and it's really frustrating for parents. And I've
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: been there with one of my two children, and I've
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: done everything the same way as I did with with
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: my son with my daughter, but she's just a different
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: type of girl.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: She's such a dick, so give me the Saturday.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: She actually loved. Both My kids love sardines, but that's
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: because I've been shoving them down their throats since day
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: dot and I love sardines. So it's a whole nother
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: like run to the family. It does, But there's this
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: whole idea of monkey see, monkey do, because how can
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: we expect our kids to love this food that they're
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: not really seeing you enjoy? And sometimes they do, but
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: it's really helpful. It's a really good tip. If like
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: I find when I'm eating a carrot, that's the one
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: time my daughter will then eat a carrot. Otherwise she's
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: not interested in carrots, but she wants what we have. Yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: so try and model that behavior.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: My kids won't eat hot chips. Oh no, yes, see
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: now you feel my pain.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: They call you on my level. It's like if in doubt,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: give the old chip. Nope, no, no.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: They won't eat pizza, which again, bread, butter, bread sauce.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: They have veggiemi toe, they don't have butter.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: They don't have butter.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: They won't have butter, no.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Lurpack, no nutlegs, no butter, nothing.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: And it's like they want vegim child.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: They're broken.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: You're right, they're broken, but they're.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Like, you know what, they're probably like hoping for chocolate sardines.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: I reckon someone's going to have to come to your
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: house and.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Do it for Yeah, I'm not doing it, but my
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: mom's into sardines.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'll message skips the generation I heard in my family.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: But yes, fussy eating very common.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know what your opinion on this is, but
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: like Lola, for example, very often she can go long periods.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: She's like a bear in winter.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: She just won't eat.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: She'll have a little nibble on something for lunch, but
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: then dinner she'll have a mouth and go I'm not hungry.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: And I know some people have the opinion that, hey,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: you're going to listen to your child's cues. If they're
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: not wanting to eat, you don't force them. But I'm like,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: then she's just not eating anything since breakfast?
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Has she had a big breakfast?
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: You have a little bowl of porridge?
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Okay? And is that it?
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And then she'll have some unless she's like hiding snacks somewhere.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Probably yeah, I don't know.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: But she just so I have to then like follow
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: her around with the bowl and spoon to be like
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: just you know, And then I'm thinking of hard one.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Am I that she's got you sort of that she like?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: The thing is I think she's just manipulating you now.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm like, am I setting up a really
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: bad system here where she's expecting shell only eat when
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: I'm hand feeding her?
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah? A few things on that. Firstly, it's okay if
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: their favorite and biggest meal at the days breakfast, great.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: That is like the most important for kids because that
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: sets them up to be able to concentrate. If you
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: send them off to school and they haven't eaten, Think
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: about us when we haven't eaten. We're hungry, so your
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: kids are going to be hungry. It's like filling up
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: a car with you know, if you've got no petrol,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: it's going to start slowing down and eventually stop. Breakfast
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: I think is load them up, especially if that's their
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: hungriest time of day. So you could do things like
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: load up those oats that you're giving. You could and
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: you're probably going to be like, oh my god, what
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: you could stir an egg in those oats just before
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: they're ready.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: You've lost your models.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: No, no, god, no, hear me out. It makes it
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: creamy and it adds protein.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: So just like crack the egg in the warm the
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: hot o don't show it.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: You're doing that like.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: A minute or two before it's ready. Crack an egg in,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: stir it around, and eventually you won't even see it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's bold.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: It's you doing it, Maddie. Just try it before mocking it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Because I do it with my kids all the time.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to trust you.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So when you're mixing an egg through the oats,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: it's actually making this really yummy, creamy custard taste. It's
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: not tasting like eggs, especially if you're adding a little
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: bit of cinnamon. It is really it's actually quite sweet.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: So it's a really really good way to be able
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: to give them eggs even if they're not actually eating
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: the eggs in their whole form, and adding protein and
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: colleen to that bowl and then loading up that porridge.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: So let's get some nut butter in there, so like
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: some peanut butter, for example, Let's get some hemp seeds
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: in there. Things that are going to actually help bulk
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: out that meal, add some more protein, because oats is
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: a source of protein, but not a strong source of protein,
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: So you want to start bulking that up so that
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: that's going to actually last a bit longer in her stomach.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: So you can just feel a little bit more at ease, like, Okay,
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: you've had a really awesome breakfast. That's okay if you're
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: maybe not hungry at lunch, but yes, that's not going
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: to sustain her all day. And then it's about finding
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: the right type of snacks throughout the day if not
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: a really good dinner, strong dinner that she might like.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on dessert?
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Have they eaten dinner? Are they just having dessert?
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: We're pretty good, I don't know, you're like, ash, we
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: don't give them crazy big bowls, But if they don't
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: finish their if they don't have a decent attack of
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: the meal, we won't reward them. And people are going
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: to come for me because people don't reward your child
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: for eating the food, but I do.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I reward myself, so like fuck, Like the poor thing's like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you're gonna eat all that, You're not going to get anything,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: and it's just gonna make it worse for me. Like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I won't say eat the whole thing. If they do,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, good for you, you know, like a
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: bit of praise. But if they don't attack it at
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: all in any way, shape or form, then they don't.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: They know not to even ask.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really hard one because if I were
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: to say the answer based on psychology, we don't want
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: to be rewarding them, right, So we don't want to
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: say you have to eat your dinner and then you
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: can have dessert.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I say.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: My house.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I would say that ninety nine point nine percent of
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: the population would do the same thing. So I get it,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: And to be honest, I would have if I hadn't
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: learned all these you know tips. It's not just nutrition,
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: it's the psychology behind feeding, and it's really quite complex.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, whilst I say that, you
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: also don't want to then let them get away with
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: not having dinner and their dinner is a bowl of ice.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Cream, oh, never in front of them.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: So I think dessert is okay if they are having
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: a decent dinner and some good nutrition throughout the day.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: But if they're relying on that dessert as their dinner,
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: then I would say it's probably time to take that
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: dessert away or drop it down and slowly phase it out.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I really want to come to your house for dinner.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: By the way, what are you going to get some sardines?
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: It's chaos, Like my son will sydneyat but my daughter okay,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: because she doesn't sit, We struggle to sit. So it's
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: you know, might take her like forty five minutes to
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: come to the table and eat her dinner.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: So do you have the rule of like you'll let
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: her kind of wander around and eat a chopping hair?
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: I have no choice because she is so defiant. I've
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: always been like, come and sit down, but she won't
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: listen to me, and some people be listening and be like,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: come on, be stricter. Yeah, I can't with her, you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: she's just that type of person. Yeah, So I try, guys,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: I try, And let me tell you, I'm not perfect
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: one bit and I know what i should be doing.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: Does that always translate? Absolutely not, because I'm just a
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: mom trying her best. I find it really hard to
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: feed her. She eats like a bird versus my son
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: is like this thick, chunky eater.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I want two of those.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: So when my second came along and she's like, I
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: don't want to start solid six months or seven, maybe
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: at eight months something, you know, she's it was tough.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Every child is just completely different. Some are going to
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: be fussy, some aren't. But just on this whole fussy concept,
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: what we want to try and avoid is labeling them
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: fussy eating fussy eaters, because it's so easy to say,
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: and I totally get it. I've said it behind my
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: kids back. Of course, it's like they, Noah, my three
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: year old girl is a fussier eater. But the second
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: we start, I've seen parents saying it in front of
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: their kids' faces, like, oh, he's really fussy. He won't
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: eat that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, of course they're not going to eat it. Yeah,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: they're not told them they're not going to eat it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: You've told them they're a fussy eater. They're taking on
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: this persona, and then you're also going to stop offering
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: that food. But my biggest mantra that I would say
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: I repeat daily to someone what is how can we
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: expect our child to eat something that we're not offering.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: So we might be like, Okay, our kid is eating
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: five foods at the moment. It's pasta, it's rice, it's toast,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: whatever else is beige guilty, Yeah right, And I get it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: Kids can be like that. But what we want to
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: try and avoid is only offering those foods, because then
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: how can we expect them to try that broccoli again
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: if they're never offered it, it's not on their plate,
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: it's not in their world. So it's a fine line.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: You know, you want to try and still offer it,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: but alongside their safe foods, so they're safe foods might
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: be rice. Maybe we could add some bone broth concentrate
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: when we're cooking that rice, just to bulk up the
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: nutrients a little bit.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: So you're still like cucumber the savior of all meals.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: She's like, put some cucumber on it, and then come
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: back and make eat the cucumber only. Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: So it's you're still offering the safe foods, but you're
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: also giving them an opportunity to come around. So like,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: for example, my fussier, I'm.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Going against ye, she's not going to listen.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: I hope she rejected broccoli for ages. And then I
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: kind of stopped offering it once again not perfect, I
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: know better, but you know, I'm still human. And then
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: one day I was like, oh god, I haven't offered
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: brocoli in months. And then part of me is like,
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: they're not going to eat it. But then I'm like, no,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: stop stop thinking that I made broccoli. I put it down.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: What happened My husband and I were sitting at the table,
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: which is always super helpful. Monkey see monkey do we're
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: eating the broccoli it with them as much as we
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: can every day.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: No, I'll be honest, I don't read my book.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: It's about it's all about that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Give a book.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: It's a book exactly about that.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: It's really helpful because they're seeing you eat and enjoy
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: the foods. So I was like, oh, this broccoli is
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: so crunchy, looks like a tree.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Very good, clever.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: What did Noah do?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Tree?
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: And she licked it and then she took a bite
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: and that was like the biggest win. And of course
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: I had a poker face and I did not say
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: don't say good girl, because they're like, what are you doing?
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: Like is this because being a good girl, I'm not
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: going to keep going Yes, right, So poker face all
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: the way and just put it there. Don't say try
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: your broccoli, just one more bite. We want to try
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: if we can catch ourselves before we start talking about
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: try it, because that's putting pressure on them. And just
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: leave it there. Everyone does you are like also once
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: again ninety nine percent of the population. But now that
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: we know, maybe we just put it there without pressure.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: Super helpful.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: There's so much I need to try.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: And sorry, overwhelming.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: This next part of the podcast is actually making me
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: a little bit nervous. Oh no, if I'm being honest. Now,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Ash and myself we have children that are at school.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: We both make our lunchboxes and their lunchboxes they're lunchboxes.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: We have brought in our lunchboxes.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: For you to judge.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: God when you go first.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm excited and nervous at the same time.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: You go first first.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: Okay, wait, how honest can I be? That's the question?
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: I want you to be brutally honest. Okay, Well, because
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: you're with ash first, yeah, oh.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then on him in salt. No, you're that's okay.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: This is Oscar's little Bento lunch box.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: Is that like? Wait, Oscar seven?
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: Is that a whole day?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: This is not a whole day. This is the main lunch.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, talk me through what's in there.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: We have a vegemite sandwich, no butter, okay, crusty.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed of that.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: That's okay.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: We have we have a little half packet of those
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: mini shapes. Yeah, I may have had a feeling. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: then we've got two servings of fruit. We've got apple.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Of course it goes brown ish, but he still eats
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: it and strawberries.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, can I can? I start with the best tip
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: that will change your life. So to avoid apples going brown,
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: all you need to do, once you've cut your apples up,
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: with them in a bowl with water and salt for
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: ten minutes, dry them off, wash off the salt and they.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Stay, we'll be late for school if you do that,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: do it the night before.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I don't forget. Write it down.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: Well, this is for everyone else that wants to avoid
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: the apples going brown. It's like the best hack ever.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: They just stay beautiful and pristine. Yeah that sucks, okay,
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: so maybe try it. So do you want me to
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: tell you my thoughts on the lunch box?
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: Okay. So firstly, the first thing that I'm not seeing
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: and here is protein. Now, protein is essential throughout the
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: day to help them concentrate, super important. So if we
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: think about how we are throughout the day without any protein,
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: you can start to kind of get a bit brain
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: foggy and lose your concentration. And they're supposed to sit
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: in a classroom all day. It's a lot of brain power.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Need to give them brain food.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Also, Oscar is very active.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Does he like cheese? No cheese? Okay, that's absolutely fine.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: To have apples and strawberries.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: No vegetables, not in this particular case.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, would he eat vegetables?
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: HELLI carrot, great chuck of carrot. Yeah, sometimes there's.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Some carrot and maybe in his morning tea they might
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: be carrots and.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Her day you do you know in there?
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: But there is a lot of a lot of protein options.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Would he eat like a meat stick?
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: Great? Add that in there? Great? Okay, add a meat
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: stick in there are some really good brands out there
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: that are like grass fed meat sticks that are actually
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: you will hit their protein requirements for the day. Okay,
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: So that would be a really great addition. There are
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: lots of other tips to be able to get protein
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: in there. But I would say if you know that
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: he would eat that, do you guys ever make granola
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: in your house?
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, he probably eat that.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Okay. So what we do is, and that's recipes in
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: our book, is we blend granola with coconut oil and
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: it makes a really great nut free spread. So, because
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: of course your school probably be able to have peanut butter,
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: you could put like a granola butter in there. I
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: would just I would really like to see that being
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: filled out with a little bit of substance in the sandwich.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, would you give him out of ten?
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: I can't?
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: You can and you will?
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: Oh no?
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Five?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Wow? Wow? Okay, okay, five.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a pass. Yeah exactly. You're feeding your child
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: you're giving he'll eat.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, brutal. I know you're not going through to the
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: next stage.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Five's okay, I'll take that, Honestly, I'm not because at
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, it's this whole fed is best, right,
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: and you've put thought into it and you can see
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: that it's just about trying to bolt it up a
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: little bit.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: It's definitely eating more protein at night.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: Okay, how about for breakfast.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: For breakfast he'll have I mean they have a smoothie
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: with mom in the morning, right which has got yogurt
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and some fruit and stuff nothing, it's not crazy, and
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: then he might have some cereal or something or some toasts.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: On how he's feeling, okay, So if he that is okay.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: If he's having good protein source at night, it is
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: important because he's off to school o day that he
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: is getting it before dinner as well, just to help
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: him throughout the day. And it also satiates him so
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: he will feel fuller for longer if there's a source
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: of protein in there. So if you can get that
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: protein into breakfast, yeah, then already that's a win. Okay,
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: all right, lots of ideas of how to get more
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: protein into a lunchbox and that is literally what lunchbox
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: Bible is.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're up this morning.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: We got up very early because Marley has dance and
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: Laura was like, oh god, what's his for?
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, we're going to be judged
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: on the lunch and.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: She was like, put something else in there. And I
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: do want to say that I boiled the egg and
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: I forgot to put it in there.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Do you really though, because that is an amazing.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Editions such a lie?
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Can I say a lamptop?
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: It's all well and good to put an egg in there,
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: but if your child's not going to eat it, lunchbox
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: is not really the time to be exploring, especially.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Beautiful lunch, massive lunch.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: Oh wow, wow, Okay, this excites me.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, fuck off, seriously, this is a g O.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: What do you mean that's really that you didn't make that?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I made that?
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, so well he cheat it, so I will, Okay,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: I will explain what's in here.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: We have some banana bread homemade.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I've been trolls.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: But I also I also I cheat because my mum
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: lives with us, oh, okay, so she made and so
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: she she makes the banana bread and she also makes
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: the kishas.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: Wow, it's beautiful.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: They're like I feel ripped off.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: And we've got some carrot and some cucumber. We've got
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: some grapes and some blueberries. Too many kishas with ham,
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: some pretzels, a meat stick.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: And I felt stuffy for sure.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: There's no way this.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: Is the meat stick I was talking about. They're really great.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Not all meat sticks, a source of protein.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: We love Koy the brand. It's delicious and it's available
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: the major supermarket.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: The petrol station.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, get it from the petrol station. Ridden all
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: over it, but we got in there far.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: The petrol stations have come.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: We've got some pretz kids love pretzels, and I got
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: a ham sandwich.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: And you've got a little coja bite.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little love coja.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: Too good. They're amazing.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Feel stitched up? Okay, what have you done? You really
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: made me look bad?
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I did nothing you've done to yourself?
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Really, this is amazing. Okay, sorry, but I'm very I'm
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: so impressed. Can you tell me what type of bread
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: it is?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Helga's whole meal? Okay, whole meal.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: So I would say, okay, so let's just we've got
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: our protein. We've got the ham. Okay, we've got egg
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: as well, which is protein. We've got our fruits and
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: our veggies. We've got a nice little treat. Oh we've
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: got more protein with the meat stick. We've got banana
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: bread which is sweet. The musley bar is Really it's
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: a much better option if you're looking at the supermarkets,
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: that's the one that I would definitely buy. It's got
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: less sugar, but it's also got less additives, so we
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: want to try and reduce. There are a lot of
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: things that we can buy from the supermarket that are
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: better for you.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Don't you think it's a bit much.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: I think it's just like outstanding. Really, I'm so impressed.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Really sorry, Oh my gosh, could it be overwhelming?
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: Nope, Okay, I tell you the answer to that. It
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: all depends if the child's going to eat it or not.
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: So it's this whole feedback loop. So you're going to
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: pack this lovely, robust lunch box, and if it's going
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: to come home and it's not eaten, then it doesn't
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: matter how beautiful it looks. It's not really doing that.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: That's why exactly why mine's like that.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: So if Marley would Marley eat everything in that or everything,
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: But I mean.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: Depends, sometimes you will, other times changes every day.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: It's nice to have options. I guess.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I will be honest, and I was kind of go every.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Day you're telling me that, and I'm going to get
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: to the bottom of this because it's very out of
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: very out of.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Context for your personality. Whoa every day she gets this.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not attacking, okay.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: So I forced none of it to make a caishe yesterday?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Have you used this up for this?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: I would say the keishas aren't normally there, but the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: egg would be there. If the keisha is not there.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, if my attacked me because I did, there's a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: line of questioning, not on an attack. So it's not
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: about if the lunchbox comes home completely empty, because some
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: days your child's going to be hungrier than other days, right,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: So what I do, For example, for my three year old,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: the lunchbox comes home usually a quarter full. She doesn't
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: eat much at school, but then I'll re offer it
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: after school. Instead of her saying I'm hungry, I'm like, oh, okay,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: let's have a look at your lunchbox you didn't need
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: anything or not much, and then more often than not,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: she will eat the majority of what is in that lunchbox.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: So I'm not having to firstly waste the food, which
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: kills my soul, and I'm not having to then go
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: and make a whole bunch of other food where it's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: just perfectly good food sitting there. So reoffer firstly if
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: it's coming home full, but also if it's coming home full,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: maybe it is overwhelming for them, but if they're eating majority,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: then that's an amazing lunch box.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: I will also say that today's a big day for
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Maley because she's a dance from seven thirty.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: She doesn't have a lunchbox toe and so she's like.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Well the fuck is yeah, So she just dances and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: so she has she's a little nibble. Then before school starts.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: They also then after school care until like four thirty
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: four to forty five, so they'll also then have like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: another snack, so that that's going to last her a week.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: That's impressive.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: It was a really good effort, Maddie. That's like an
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: amazing but I thank you. I want to say that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: some kids would never even get through all of that like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: my son would demolish that. My daughter wouldn't. It would
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: touch side. So you have to know your child and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: kind of see what comes back every day and then
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: act accordingly. Right, make those changes. You don't want to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: overwhelm them, so pull it back. But if they're every
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: day you're opening up the lunchbox at the end of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: the day and it's completely empty, maybe then you need
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: to increase the food that's.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Going to cost you.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Like a great segment.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: I'm glad, you're glad, you're happy about it.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: We put our lunchboxes on Instagram a lot, like on
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: our stories every day. Yeah too, that's what we do.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: We make lunchboxes and a lot of people are like, wow,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: George eats so much food. My child wouldn't eat half
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: of that.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Honestly, he wouldn't even eat all that. I want a rating.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: We already know.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: We don't have to if you don't want to rate it,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: but if you do, I want to say ten out
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: of ten, fuck off.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: There is definitely room for improvement.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: Maybe okay, maybe nine point five.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: I don't listen to ash sick with gun.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: No, that's it's an awesome effort, especially.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: If that you for cockiness.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Laura is going to be so happy.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: That's that's good.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: It's the better for you snaps from the supermarket, which
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: I'm really big on. You know, there's a lot of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: noise at the supermarket. Marketing gets people very confused. But
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: those two snacks, the coach of Bar and the Cooper
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: are really better options.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I'm buzzing right now.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: You are glowing.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: Well, Laura.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: No, I forget about Lura.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: And again, yours is a group and a team, like.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: You said Feba, I know he'll at least have a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: crack at that and won't be a cranky shit when
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: he gets time.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and once again, if you give a really good breakfast,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: then that is okay, and then he's got his protein
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: at dinner as well.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: A the time he's playing soccer at lunch and never eats.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to shit on my mum here. Actually no,
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  Speaker 4: it's more my fault, I think. So when we got
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  Speaker 4: to high school, that's when we had to make our
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  Speaker 4: own lunch, right, And when you're asking a fourteen year
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  Speaker 4: old boy, fifteen year old boy to make his own lunch,
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  Speaker 4: especially a young boy like myself who's very lazy.
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  Speaker 2: I used to have just a jam roll and a
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  Speaker 2: pack of chips every day pretty much from my whole
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  Speaker 2: high school. I remember there was I made of mind.
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  Speaker 4: His mum was a stat home mum and she would
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  Speaker 4: make this like manated chicken with semi sun dried tomatoes sandwiches,
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  Speaker 4: and I'd be like, oh, it must be nice. And
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  Speaker 4: I was just sitting there because my mum was a
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  Speaker 4: single mom of five kids, so she'd have time to
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  Speaker 4: make lunches for everyone.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, how.
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  Speaker 5: Did I you survive, Maddia.
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  Speaker 3: I survived. Yeah, honestly, did you eat it every day?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sandwich?
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  Speaker 5: If it makes you feel better, I absolutely was the same.
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  Speaker 5: I had a white sandwich with vegi mite and an apple,
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  Speaker 5: a glad rap bag or a little brown That was
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  Speaker 5: the nineties or we're talking two thousands by.
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  Speaker 2: This day, late nineties, and that was just.
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  Speaker 5: That was the way. And you know, we're all okay,
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  Speaker 5: but we're about like kids these days are really struggling
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  Speaker 5: to sit and focus. And we also now know so
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  Speaker 5: much more about nutrition, so it's like, well, we know
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  Speaker 5: all these things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's always room for improvement.
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  Speaker 4: Because I did get the nine point five downgraded from
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  Speaker 4: the ten, Ash, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: Is there's going to hear the end of this? Is
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  Speaker 2: there anything you think I'm missing?
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  Speaker 5: Is?
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  Speaker 4: What do you think I could add to really solidify
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  Speaker 4: the ten out of ten?
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  Speaker 1: Probably some humbleness would be great.
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  Speaker 5: Well, okay, So I've got a few recipes that I
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  Speaker 5: brought today that helps to pack in nutrition to recipes
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  Speaker 5: that your kids will actually eat.
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  Speaker 2: I can't help it. Notice you've got some chocolate looking muffins.
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  Speaker 5: So what do you think of the smells good? So
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking through these muffins because these are such a
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  Speaker 5: winner to put in a lunch box and they go
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  Speaker 5: like within a day with my whole family, my husband, myself,
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  Speaker 5: and my kids.
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  Speaker 3: Hand it over.
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  Speaker 5: Now there we go. Just know when you're biting into it,
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  Speaker 5: we're not eating a sugar filled muffin. So what is
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  Speaker 5: in this is white beans, zucchini, spinach, tahini as the
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  Speaker 5: main ingredients. Do you like it? What do you think? Ash? So?
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  Speaker 3: What iey?
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  Speaker 5: What do you got? So? What's so good about this?
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  Speaker 5: A lot of the things that we bake we try
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  Speaker 5: to pack in as much nutrition as we can because
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  Speaker 5: we know there are kids out there that might not
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  Speaker 5: eat white beans. In a bolt, we totally get that,
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  Speaker 5: or spinach or zucchini. So all the recipes that we create,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the baking, we really pack it in
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  Speaker 5: so that even if ash there's no protein obvious protein
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  Speaker 5: in your lunchbox. If you made these muffins and put
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  Speaker 5: half of them in the freezer every morning, it is
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  Speaker 5: a whip it straight out of the freezer into the
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  Speaker 5: lunch box. You know that they're getting some protein because
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  Speaker 5: there's white beans in there. So a lot of our
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  Speaker 5: recipes actually are. We love adding legumes because you really can't.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a strong taste, and legumes are a great
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  Speaker 5: source of fiber and protein and even iron. So adding
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  Speaker 5: it into these regular muffins, disguising it with some chocolate,
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  Speaker 5: the kids will eat it.
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  Speaker 2: Genius.
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  Speaker 5: My kids absolutely go crazy for these.
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  Speaker 2: And these items are all in the Lunchbox Bible.
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  Speaker 5: All in a lunchbox Bible.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask, this is Nola's spread?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So we love the Okay, So we're all about
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  Speaker 5: trying to work smarter, not harder, because we're parents and
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  Speaker 5: we're time poor. So we love granola and so do
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  Speaker 5: our kids. So we've made what we call in the
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  Speaker 5: book sprinkles. It is granola packed with seeds and oats
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  Speaker 5: and coconut and all the good things. And what we
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  Speaker 5: do is we add it to a blender with coconut oil.
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  Speaker 5: And what you've created, please, guys, go for it. What
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  Speaker 5: you've created is a nut free spread that you can
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  Speaker 5: add onto a sandwich. Oh do you like it?
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  Speaker 2: Those fucking delic wow ash that good?
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  Speaker 5: Okay? And if you if you need it, it's sweeter,
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  Speaker 5: you can go sweeter.
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  Speaker 3: But this is got a little anzac chaughter taste.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because it is. It's those it's the oats, the
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  Speaker 5: bakedough sorry, the roasted oats. So that's a really good
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  Speaker 5: option instead of a nut butter because we can't send
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  Speaker 5: it to school and potentially placing a vegemite or just
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  Speaker 5: a butter sandwich. So you're getting all the goods in
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  Speaker 5: that spread.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. And the last item here looked like
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: almost little lasagna kishas.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, they're not so esthetically pleasing, No, they're beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: This is utilizing last night's leftover spaghetti and bolonnaise that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: maybe you've served up to your family, mixing it with
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: an egg and some cheese, and then baking it into
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  Speaker 5: little muffin molds. So instead of having to deal with
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: spaghetti bolcinnaies in a lunch box, you've got a little
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  Speaker 5: muffin that a kid can eat with their hands that's
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  Speaker 5: actually still ticking all the boxes. You've got your cards,
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  Speaker 5: your protein, and it's rich in iron.
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  Speaker 2: And we're actually gonna we're going to make these.
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  Speaker 5: Oh great.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to do it as a separate video, so
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  Speaker 2: if you do want to jump on our socials, keep
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  Speaker 2: an eye out for this recipe. What do you call
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: this recipe?
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  Speaker 5: It's the pasta muffins.
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  Speaker 4: Muffins. Yeah, because these are great. My kids will love these.
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  Speaker 5: And also these are really good to freeze as well,
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  Speaker 5: so even when you're getting home late and you don't
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  Speaker 5: have time to make this elaborate dinner, you can just
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  Speaker 5: take them out of the freezer. It heat it up,
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  Speaker 5: and you've got spigetti bolonnais, but in a really easy
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  Speaker 5: to eat form.
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  Speaker 4: I love that we're getting fed during this as well.
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  Speaker 4: It was my favorite part. Juells, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: Hey guys, I can't wait to just like I give
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  Speaker 4: my child's sudeins and chop.
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  Speaker 5: I wait for Poppy to have sardans, but.
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  Speaker 4: Just to mix up some of the items, like the
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  Speaker 4: lunchbox that I give Marley and Lola that is rens
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  Speaker 4: and repeat every day.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine how my kids feel.
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  Speaker 5: But I just want to say, Maddie, that's okay. Like,
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  Speaker 5: if that works, it's a great, well rounded lunch box.
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  Speaker 5: It's not about trying a whole new lunch box every
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: day or every week. Just swapping out a few things.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe you swap out the veggies you're giving them, or
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: the fruit you're giving them, or how you're presenting something.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: You know, if something works, great, we want them to
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  Speaker 5: eat it. That's the most important thing. But yeah, there's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: lots of awesome ways that we can add in some
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: really good stuff that they might not in their whole form.
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  Speaker 2: I wish you were my mum.
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  Speaker 5: I wish I was.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe you. Go on, I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 5: Go on.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there, I am getting rewarded.
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  Speaker 4: For all of my efforts this morning, for my impeccable
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  Speaker 4: lunch ten out of ten And you're like, hang on
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: a second, No one's perfect. Maybe get a nine point five,
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  Speaker 4: you prick.
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  Speaker 3: Look, let's she's not here.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't make that lunch, did you?
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