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Zoltan Istvan - Futurist & Presidential Candidate | How Transhumanism Will Redefine Success and Survival · Success Story with Scott Clary

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I would absolutely say do not strive to be like Elon Musk or some of the other billionaires.
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They were one-offs and if you train your brain to think you can be like them, you will never succeed.
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Zoltan István isn't just thinking about the future, he's trying to upload humanity into it.
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A philosopher, journalist, and former US presidential candidate,
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Zoltan is one of the loudest voices in the transhumanist movement,
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an ideology focused on using science and tech to radically enhance the human condition.
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I just heard Peter Diamondus yesterday. He said,
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Within five years, we're going to be uploading our minds. We don't know which one's going to work,
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but what we do know is that there's now hundreds of billions of dollars that are pushing
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towards overcoming biological death. And when you have that much money involved in something,
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I think there's going to be success. From writing the transhumanist wager to advocate life
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extension and AI rights, he's constantly pushing boundaries. Most people are too afraid to even question.
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Morphological freedom is this idea that you should be able to do with your body whatever you want to do.
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This is something that goes against the morphological freedom concept.
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The world has gotten weird and crazy, whether it's politics or this don't get to involve.
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It's just on the outside, worry about your family, worry about your success,
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but don't worry about the big giant world, it's going to go on.
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In this episode, we explore his bold vision of immortality, ethics and AI,
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and what it means to be human in a world where machines might soon do it better.
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I think people are underestimating, oh, AI's, it can never replace me, it can.
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I have no doubt it will start to massively take over jobs in the next six to 12 months.
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I think the most important thing about transhumanism right now, and I couldn't have said this
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10 years ago, but I can say now is that...
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If you think about some of the more unexpected adventures that you've had in your life,
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what would be a great story to tell the audience that would really just encapsulate who you are as a
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person? Sure, let me speak about volcano boarding because I think that's one of the best things
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that's ever happened to me. I got very lucky out of college and got a job with the National Geographic
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Channel, right as the mini-dv camera was born. The mini-dv camera kind of changed broadcast
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journalism because instead of carrying around this giant 80 pound device, you could carry around
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this five pound device and get good quality footage. And so when I had been sailing before in
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Vanuatu and I had had a chance to see this volcano on Tana, you see this giant face of sand,
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it looks just like a slope. And so I went back to National Geographic a few years later and said,
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look, I want to go volcano boarding, I know no one's done it, but I can do it. And I filmed the whole
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thing and sent it back and they thought the footage was spectacular and it launched my career,
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really for National Geographic because what I was doing was a one-off for them and then all of
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sudden I became a real regular journalist for them. And volcano boarding of course has taken off
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since then, you know, all these spewing gases, the danger, molten lava rocks. But that was a
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defining moment in my early 20s that really helped launch my career. And I, you know, to be honest
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with you, a lot of the credit belongs to the mini-dv camera, just innovation and technology because
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it allowed a non-journalist person like myself to become a journalist and to become a well-known
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journalist overnight. And so it was a big moment for me in my 20s. I love that. I mean, you,
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I don't know how to describe it, you think differently than most. I think that's your forte,
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that is your specialty, like you think differently. I mean, if you think about other sort of inflection
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points in your life. So as a National Geographic journalist, you almost stepped on a landmine
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at one point in your career. I'd love to hear that story if people haven't heard it in the audience
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and that was in Vietnam. But that was something that changed your perspective on morality,
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on human condition, I'm assuming on life. So that was, was that correct? That was the inflection point?
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Yes, yes, definitely. So before an astrographic, I had been a philosophy student at Columbia
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University. I had a great time there and I had learned about transhumanism and futurist stuff
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and trying to overcome death with, you know, science and things like that. These were all science
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fiction topics at the time, but they were in the back of my mind. But when I worked at National Geographic,
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they sent a lot of the young journalists to war zones to kind of prove themselves in conflict
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zones in order to, that's how you make a name for yourself. And that was kind of the natural course
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back then. And I was covering a conflict in demilitarized zone in Vietnam. So there wasn't a war
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anymore, of course, but there are landmines everywhere. And it's still in these places. They're just
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desolate. They're dark. There's blown up buildings everywhere. It still feels like a conflict zone.
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And I was doing a story on bomb hunters were essentially the Vietnamese locals. They are digging up
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American bombs that were dropped and never exploded. So we dropped like 40 million bombs and 10%
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of those bombs never exploded. Now those things are like eight feet long and they're filled with
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metal. And if you sell one of them, you can get a few hundred dollars of metal because that's just
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how big they are. And for a rice farmer in Vietnam, that's like a year's worth of working in the
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fields. So there's a lot of bomb hunters in Vietnam. But the problem is that people step on the land
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mines and lose their legs. So it's very much a jeopardy type of business. And so I was covering
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the story for National Geographic. And I had a very close call with a landmine where I almost stepped
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on this thing in the ground. It was a disc. I didn't know it. I was just oblivious. And my guide
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pushed me out of the way and said, Hey, dummy. And it like threw me down. Look at that thing. And
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so later we were like, Oh my God, I almost, you know, I could have at least been maimed and maybe even
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died. That was the moment that moment after a number of years of covering conflict zones that I
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said, You know what? I may be through with National Geographic. I may be through covering conflict
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zones. I need to do something more science based. I need to do something to keep myself alive.
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And I knew from previous college in Columbia that there were movements like transhumanism that
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want to dedicate themselves to overcoming death with science. And so after that moment in Vietnam,
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I really decided to dedicate myself to one of those movements and transhumanism, which sounds
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like a funny term, but really means just using science and technology to overcome whatever the
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human beings limitations are. I found a method to a way to kind of belong to that movement and use
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it to push forward my career. But it really was, you know, stimulated by this moment where I almost
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died by stepping on a landmine and that, you know, for National Geographic and Vietnam.
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First of all, it sounds like not the not the for the for the rice farmers. That sounds like the
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worst version of entrepreneurship. I mean, we complain about, you can plan about, you know,
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our quality of life and what we do for money. And that's that's a insane, ridiculous story.
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If you think about, you know, a lot of people on this podcast, I find like transhumanism the
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ideology to be the complete opposite of the spectrum of stoicism, which is really just like accepting
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your own death and using it to like fuel your ambition and your and the way that you move through
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life. What is what is the I don't want to say argument because it's not an argument. It's like
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it's an idea that can be achieved. But what is the drive behind somebody wanting to live forever?
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Well, the main drive and this is kind of what I discovered in Vietnam with National Geographic
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was that I want to live. I want to live because I love life. Everything that I'm doing, you know,
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traveling to these different countries, reporting on humanitarian causes. I mean, you love life.
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You love people. So you don't want to let that go. But the real problem with human life, at least
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from my perspective and a lot of other kind of people out there is that it ends. It, you know,
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we are a terminal being. We are designed and we are kind of a ticking time bomb at some point
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we will end. And that's where I really realized something and said, you know what, can we change
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that? And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, yes, we can change it. There are many different
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ways to extend life spans. And one day we're going to come to a point, you know, in science,
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probably the next five to 10 to 20 years where we're able to dramatically extend life spans.
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And once I realized that, you know, having covered conflict zones, war zones, shooting in other
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places, because I covered many other places in Vietnam, Kashmir, South America, you know, all these
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other places. And the Middle East, I realized that, wow, we might be able to overcome death. So
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that, that moved me. That was the moment when I realized I have a goal in life. I love, I mean,
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when you make it, when you, when you phrase it like that, it's really hard to argue against it.
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But I think that for a lot of people who haven't studied your work and don't even understand
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the ideology, it seems like science fiction. Like it seems like, okay, you're saying five,
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10, 20 years, we're going to dramatically extend life. So for people that have never heard
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of transhumanism ever, what does that actually mean? Is it disease prevention? Is it like
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neural ink? Is it? What is it? Sure. Well, transhumanism is just a social movement and has a fun,
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it's a funny name. It's just an umbrella term for a lot of different things like
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cryonics, immortality, life extension, singularity thinking, whatever it is, it's just a term that
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covers a huge movement of scientists and normal people that are pushing to use science and technology
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to radically extend the human beings life. Now, how would we do that? Well, most people die from
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organ failure. So for example, one of the transhumanist greatest cause is working on synthetic organs
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and 3D bio printing them. And there have been huge movements. And it's not just, you know, synthetic
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organ, kids could be pigs organs, you know, which the big giant company in Florida is dealing with
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that. There's so many different ways of extending life. But the point is transhumanists want to stop
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death through science. Now, the other methods are, you know, genetic editing, for example,
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trying to adjust yourself so they don't age. And there's a little thing called the telem race at
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the very end of the, you know, DNA. And if you could eliminate that, like the jellyfish, you could
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live perhaps hundreds of years longer. So there are transhumanists working on it. And then it gets
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a little bit more science fictiony where it's kind of like some people are working on uploading
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your mind. And I just heard Peter Diamondus yesterday, you know, the ex-price founder. He said,
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within five years, we're going to be uploading our minds. Okay, five years. This is crazy uploading
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your minds. So this is another form of not dying. So it's across the board. We don't know which one's
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going to work. But what we do know is that there's now hundreds of billions of dollars, especially in
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Silicon Valley, where I live, that are pushing towards overcoming biological death. And when you
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have that much money involved in something, I think there's going to be success. I was listening to
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a couple podcasts. And one of the hosts mentioned your views were controversial. I don't understand
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how now that I understand what transhumanism is, how living longer and extending lifespan and
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keeping people healthier. What's controversial about that? Sure. Well, you know, you would think,
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upfront, nothing is controversial about it. But what really is is we live in a very religious
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dominated country, about 80% of the United States believes in an afterlife and believes in
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some type of God and around the world, it seemed higher, around 85%. So the point is that if you
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believe in those things, then you have to wonder, well, why should humans take the power of immortality
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or indefinite lifespans? I'm not sure in mortality. No, you know, most transumists don't say we're
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going to live forever. We just like to think we're going to live 100, 200 years, 300 years. We
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might be able to control when we die and if we die, that's really the goal of it. And I think that
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is controversial to the natural state of things. So if you are a religious person and you hear
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somebody saying, oh, we're going to overcome death and you think, well, wait a sec, the whole
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dichotomy of a religion is that you live, you live a good life and therefore you go to heaven
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and you're judged by God and it's everything's okay. But if you eliminate that need of the judgment
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and of God, then where does that even leave religion? And that's where the controversy in my opinion
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arises from. Some other people, just to be fair, other people say, well, death is needed in
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human evolution in order that new things will spawn. And that's actually a good point. It's very
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hard to argue against that. The problem though is that even if death is needed to spawn new ideas,
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I still don't want to die. And I'm not sure that I need to die in order for others to feel like
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there's some kind of new spring always happening. I certainly don't want my kids to die just because
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I'm supposed to make way for other people. I think, you know, humans can maybe find other ways to be
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creative and spawn new beginnings. I agree with that. I love your opinion on
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is the government doing any sort of job in terms of longevity or quality of life? I feel
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not to the degree they should. I feel like we have a sick care system, not a health care system.
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And maybe that's why you ran for president. But just talk to me about sort of the current state
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of what the US government doesn't matter which party, Democrat or Republican. What do they feel about
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longevity? Sure. Well, let me just say, you know, when I ran for office and still the number one goal
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I would say of most transhumanists and longevity activist is to characterize aging as a disease.
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For the government, the United States government, governments around the world to say that aging is
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a disease. Because if all of a sudden we say that aging is a disease, it will be treated like
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cancer, like Alzheimer's, like diabetes and also huge amounts of NIH and other types of funding
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will go into it. But right now, no one wants to say for those religious reasons we talked about
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before that aging is a disease. And I couldn't agree with you more, you know, what is the point of
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living to 100 years if the last 15 years of your life is really in pain. And most 85 year old and
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plus people, it really is dramatically hard. So we do need to invest. So I think, you know,
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the government has not invested enough. And I come from a little bit of a libertarian bias with
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my like to like let, you know, let the people do what they want to do and hands off from the
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government type of thing. It's not a party or a political affiliation, anything like that. It's
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just more, you know, I think I believe in people and entrepreneurs doing thing and not the
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government, the government holding them back or putting on regulations. But at the same time,
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I think since the government has such deep pockets, it would be very useful if they would stimulate
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entrepreneurship and people around the world trying to start businesses that would defeat aging.
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But in order to do so, you're going to have to characterize that and designate that as a disease,
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specifically like you would cancer, treat aging like cancer. If we do that, the game will change.
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Right now, the amount of money flowing into aging related, you know, anti-aging stuff is very
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minimal in the millions. But if all of a sudden we treated it like cancer, we would be putting
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billions into it and immediately probably within five to seven years, you would see a big impact
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in the everyday American's life. I think it's so important. What the concept of
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of a morphological freedom? What is that concept and why is it so important? Sure, morphological
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freedom is this idea that you should be able to do with your body whatever you want to do. No one
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should be able to stand in the way of that. And of course, if you're doing some of your body that
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is interfering with someone else's body, that's a whole different thing. But morphological freedom
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says, as long as you're not interfering something else or anyone else, you should be able to do with
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your body what you want. So for example, I have a chippin plant in my hand. But in various states
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across the United States, even this chippin plant, which is just kind of an elective party trick.
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I can go to, I can trade Bitcoin with it or something. I can hold my information. It has a
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credit card and things like that. You can sometimes scan it, send text messages with it.
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But in certain states, it's illegal. It's illegal? Yes, it's illegal. And so I wrote a piece
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for the New York Times on this because all the states are saying, well, should we allow people
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to recreationally put in chips inside their body, even if it's just for fun and party tricks.
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And the answer was, yes, we shouldn't allow people to do that because we don't let them have freedom
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with their bodies. So this is something that goes against the morphological freedom concept.
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And generally speaking, transhumanists are a little bit on the edge. They're like biohackers,
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you know, they're fringe. They're putting stuff in their body. They're trying out new things.
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We're trying to see what works. And we don't want to be stopped by the government saying,
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no, you can't do that. You know, if we're not hurting somebody else, we would like to write
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the experiment with our bodies. That's interesting. What do you, I mean, so you're an entrepreneur,
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you've built some businesses, but also are these businesses sort of focused on transhumanism,
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on optimizing the human body. I heard that you had a winery, but there's like a new tropic
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component to this wine as well. So when you think about how you live your life,
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talking about the businesses you build, but also talking about personally,
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like how do you live your life as a transhumanist? Sure. Well, you know, the ironic thing is that I
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have built a lot of businesses, but they have not really had much to do with transhumanism.
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So far, transhumanism has been this thing because I wrote my novel, The Transhumanist Wager,
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about 10 years ago. It became a bestseller. And then through that, I formed the,
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the transhumanist party and ran for office for the, you know, for the US presidency. And that,
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you know, just got lucky. The media took off with it, said, oh, we have a science candidate running
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for president. All of a sudden, I sort of became semi-famous because of that. But my businesses were
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kind of boring. You know, I was working for National Geographic. I was getting maybe, you know,
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$67,000 for every three, four, five weeks. I was away, but it was coming all in cash. And I
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didn't really know what to do with it. And at the time, my father was sick. I was, you know,
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helping to pay some of the bills for him and Oregon. And so I said, well, maybe I'll start investing
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something in real estate up there since real estate was quite a bit cheaper than it was in California,
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where I live now. And I started buying fixedruppers. And then on the office days, when I didn't have
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a sign mincer, you know, I'd be home for two months at a time. I'd fix those houses up. I'd always
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had a good knack of tools because of my sales trip. And then I'd flip them. And very quickly,
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I am asked to almost 20 properties. And, you know, before the crash in 2008, I sold the majority
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of it because I realized things were kind of out of hand, too good to be true. And you timed it.
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Right. I timed it very right. And I got very lucky. And then I joined a band with a friend,
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which is one of the reasons I sold the ironic part. The band didn't succeed. I played guitar.
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The band didn't succeed. But I had quite a bit of money in here. I was sitting in my in my early
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30s, as, you know, as a multi-millionaire. And what should I do with my life now? And this is
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when I wrote this book, The Transphemous Wager. And that sort of launched my career as a public
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persona, I guess, going around speaking, talking about transhumanism. Now, though, I have started
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to invest in vineyards through a company called Zoltani Shvan Vineyards and wineries. So we have a
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vineyard in Appavali, as well as a winery. We have a vineyard in Mendoza, Argentina, the first one
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I bought. And then we all have one in Bordeaux, France, a nice big giant one in a winery there,
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a little chateau. And, you know, it's all combined under one company. And while we're, we're, our goal
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with that is to actually put transhumanist drugs called neutropics. These are brain drugs that
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supposedly make you smarter. Some of my Berkeley PhD friends have helped me out with it.
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I get to be honest, I'm not sure drinking wine, even with this makes you smarter.
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But we're working on it. It's wishful thinking. It's wishful. We're trying to get there.
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So, you know, yeah. So there's no question here. Your cognitive abilities are a little bit better,
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I think. But we haven't, we haven't actually come to this solution yet where you drink wine.
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It becomes super smart, though we're working on it. But this is the new company that I've
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been working on. And we won some awards last year with our Malbec and Cabernet Sauvignon. And so,
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it's my newest company. And we'll see where it goes. I'll send you a bottle one of these days when
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we have something that works. Yes, I, when you think about, I think that when I look at what you've
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taken on in life, I mean, you were a respected journalist. You did run for presidency. You wrote
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best-selling book. You are a successful entrepreneur. I know that you speak on a lot of different,
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very technical topics, but just in terms of like a quick pivot to a mindset that's guided you
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throughout your career. When you see somebody who's so successful in so many different categories
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or different industries, there's something about the way that you think or the way that you operate
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that drives you. What do you think that thing is for somebody who's just starting out on their
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journey? Yeah, I mean, that's such a weird secret. And I think about it a lot. So, I mean, not to
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pour water on this idea, but I think a lot of it is, to some extent, luck. And but there's more
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to luck than I'll think a lot of people realize, you're going to get unlucky and get lucky in life.
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But when you get lucky, you got to capitalize on it. And when you get unlucky, you just got to
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throw it behind you and say, hey, man, I screw up. And this is a key for entrepreneurs. You know,
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you start 10 businesses. You got to know that seven or eight are going to fail. But if two,
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start gaining traction, you put everything. You're heart and soul into that because you get a little
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bit lucky and all of a sudden that luck doubles. And then a quadruple is then it's exponential. And
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pretty soon you're dealing with something that's 100 times what you started with. For example,
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when I started my real estate business, I didn't really think much that this was going to be a business.
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But all of a sudden, you know, I just had to invest in here a property there, a property there.
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And pretty soon things started booming. Things started doubling. And then things started quadrupling.
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And you know, I just happened to be very lucky that there are things. But I recognized that I was
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being lucky. And I recognized that this is the moment. And I think this has happened actually
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recently to some of my friends in transhumanism who are big supporters of cryptocurrency. You know,
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I was like, look, I think you're getting lucky. So this is your moment. And you know, but a part of
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being lucky is also realizing that the luck's not going to be there forever. And so you need to know
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when to sell. And another thing I'd say beyond just, you know, capitalizing on luck is,
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don't be too greedy. Most people will get further ahead by
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being successful, but knowing when to get out, starting again, being successful again,
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based on that. And doing that a couple times. And pretty soon, you're fine yourself after a few
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decades. Very successful. I have never had any huge home runs in my life. But I have had solid
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base hits again and again and again. And very quickly, I found myself dramatically wealthier
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than when I was in my 20s in my 30s. And then something like COVID happened. And I still had a ton
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of properties. And again, they doubled. Yeah. You know, and I think the key is to just, now,
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some people like Elon Musk or whatever, they hit a home run. It's a grand slam. And they got,
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you know, they go, but I think the majority of us can't necessarily go for that all the time.
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You have to be a little bit realistic. You have to be realistic. Not like that. It's not
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just money, too. It's in your relationships, your friendships, and how you deal with things.
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Don't always bat for the bleachers. Sometimes a second base hit can be really good,
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especially if you know, you can hit a second base hit again and again and again. And eventually
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find yourself even further ahead than having been the person who swung for the bleachers.
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And I know that doesn't sound like very exciting advice, but I have found myself more of a
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traditional person watching my wealth grow every time. And now by that, and I just turn, you know,
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50 recently and all of a sudden, it's like, wow, how did I become an eight-figure person? How did
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that happen when I really haven't been working for the last 20 years? But it just happened to be that
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there were smart investments never too greedy. And here I am quite happy about it.
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27:02
going to tie it back to to the current state of technology and opportunity for entrepreneurs.
27:08
One thing that you mentioned was like when something works, you put all of yourself into it.
27:14
And I'm curious if you see with younger entrepreneurs. I've spoken with this a lot on this podcast.
27:19
A lot of them are outsourcing their thinking or they're looking for quick wins or they're
27:25
looking for instant gratification. And I think they have a lot. I think they I think that because of
27:30
the environment that a young entrepreneur grows up in, I think it's harder for them to put in the
27:36
time required for them to see the returns for them to know if they should go all in on something
27:40
because they're looking for instant gratification. This is what I believe. I believe that this is why
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people the barrier to entry for entrepreneurship has never been lower with the technology of access
27:51
to. But at the same time, people's attention has never been shorter. And I think that that is
27:56
actually hurting significantly. And if you if you had the same attention that you had when you
28:03
were 20 and you apply it to something, plus you leverage technology that we have access to now,
28:08
you're unbeatable. But I don't think that's the norm. Do you agree with that?
28:11
I do. I do. I mean, I am seeing huge cultural changes. And I, you know, for your audience now,
28:16
I have a 11 year old and a 14 year old daughter. And I'm thinking about what are they going to do
28:22
with they take over my wine business, the real estate endeavors because we have properties now
28:26
around the world as well and manage them or, you know, I don't know their intention span is
28:32
definitely different than mine. They're they're they're way of doing things. Also, you know, attention
28:38
media, social media, you know, there's this whole different side of things where like you can make
28:44
a lot of money or a lot of success based on just becoming somebody. But that only works for a very
28:51
small few amount of people. I'm not sure in the AI world, the other 800 pound grill in the room,
28:56
that's going to continue to work. So I agree with you. You know, everybody every generation faces a
29:01
different, you know, I guess challenge, but it does seem like it's becoming more difficult for
29:07
somebody just out of college to break into it. And they have to be more focused than ever.
29:13
Have to be so focused. But like if they can listen to you and and they have to be focused and
29:18
they also have to stop listening to like the social media entrepreneur gurus and and stop idolizing
29:26
people like an Elon Musk and the thing that not I don't care what you think about Elon, but know
29:31
that to be an age figure person, you don't have to have, you know, rockets going to Mars. You can
29:38
have a very good life just building very boring businesses. Totally. And I would absolutely say,
29:44
do not strive to be like Elon Musk or some of the other billionaires. They were one offs. And if you
29:49
if you train your brain to think like you can be like them, you will never succeed 99.9999
29:56
percent will never succeed. However, if you get to San Francisco, you realize like, well, a lot of
30:01
people or eight figures are pretty close to it. A lot of people are going to nice resorts and doing
30:06
this and living the life and you know, sending their kids to camps and whatever you want to do.
30:12
Which is a great life. And that's achievable. That's very achievable if you work hard and you're
30:18
smart about things. I think it's it's actually very dangerous to try to strive to be super wealthy
30:26
like a billionaire. I think people don't realize that first off a lot of that is handed down and a lot
30:30
of that is super lucky or just coincidence that has happened. But but in America is still in my opinion
30:36
very much the American dream. If you want to work hard and you be a little smart about things and you
30:41
put your mind to it, you can still accomplish an enormous amount. And I guarantee it that you could
30:46
probably end up a multi-millionaire unless something terrible. I agree completely. If you think
30:52
about sort of how all the things that you've learned about longevity and transhumanism have sort
30:58
of impacted your worldview. Does that change how you operate in terms of your own life? I mean,
31:04
like there's a limit on life right now in 2025, maybe not in five or 10 years. We'll see. But
31:09
does it change how you operate in your own life in terms of what you take on or how you live? Or does
31:14
it change how you raise your kids or what I'm trying to figure out you? What does transhumanism
31:24
mean for you today? Well, I think the most important thing about transhumanism right now and I couldn't
31:29
have said this 10 years ago, but I can say now is that we are in the cusp of some major discoveries
31:34
whether it's through genetic editing or different drugs coming across the board. But we will start to
31:39
reverse aging here within 10 to 25 years. So what's most important for people that are 50 and above
31:47
like myself is to try to remain healthy because the transition is coming. But if you get cancer in
31:53
five years, you're not going to make it. And you're going to miss the greatest opportunity you've
31:58
ever had. This ability to maybe live 50 years longer, 100 years longer. And let's say the
32:03
Star Trek era or the era of going to Mars and things like really amazing times. So it's really
32:09
important. That's the one thing that I've taken away. It's really important right now to start
32:13
treating your health as a top priority. Not because you're not going to die, but because you're
32:19
you don't want to miss out what's going to happen. It's getting so crazy out there. It's getting so
32:23
wild. Technology is changing so rapidly. I want to see what happens. What a terrible time to
32:30
to die now. Right as you know that the world is on the cusp with artificial intelligence,
32:36
with overcoming biological aging, with you know, spending, sending rocket ships to other planets.
32:41
What a time to be alive to see what happens. Really exciting. It's super exciting. And I guess the
32:47
question really was like, is there is there daily practices or even I mean, uh, peptides or
32:53
some sort of technology that you think is going to be beneficial people today and not have to wait
32:58
five years that you think already expands your life. So there are a number of different,
33:02
you know, drugs out there and things like that. I got to be honest, I know like Ray Kurzweil will
33:06
take 80 pills a day and and Brian Johnson of the Don't Die Movement also does all sorts of things.
33:13
I am not doing that. It's a little boring. I just believe very simply I exercise every day
33:21
religiously. Yeah. Period. Whether it's running or surfing or whatever I do. I try not to eat too
33:26
much of anything in one direction. Uh, that's not too much meat and not too much fats and not too
33:32
much sugars and just try to keep it where it is. And uh, I do drink, which is probably my single
33:38
greatest vice. And you, you can see it sometimes in my tummy. Um, and that's probably my biggest
33:43
problem. I wish I could stop. But uh, you know, I am in the wine business. That's part of what's going
33:46
here. You're excused. But you know, these are things that right now for me, the main thing is
33:54
just to remain healthy and active and and try not to be too weird and fanatical about it.
34:00
Certainly there are biohacking techniques out there that can dramatically help your health.
34:04
And if you can figure those out what they are for your genetic blueprint, that's great. But um,
34:09
for me, it's really just about, you know, sleeping well. And also, I think trying to remain stress-free,
34:15
the world has gotten weird and crazy, whether it's politics or this, don't get to involve. It's
34:20
just on the outside. Worry about your money. Worry about your family. Worry about your success.
34:25
And we're, if you're writing a book, worry about that. But don't worry about the big giant world.
34:29
It's going to go on. We're not even supposed to be aware of all the trauma going on in the world.
34:34
We never were for you to genetically speak evolutionary speaking. That was never a part of the
34:38
program. We were just our immediate tribe. And now all of a sudden, we all take, you know, we,
34:44
let's take place in global politics. My voice matters on Twitter. It likely doesn't, you know,
34:50
so I tell people back off, man, for your own safety, your own health, and also just because it
34:57
gives you more energy to focus on things that matter, your friendships, your family, your kids,
35:01
your parents, your money, your businesses. I mean, things like this are really, I think people
35:07
forget that maybe, and I want to say also that the government is designed to make you
35:13
want to be so involved in this circus of life. But the real life is in the people you love,
35:20
the businesses that you're creating, the things you're building with your hands. And this is
35:24
what matters most to me. What technology are you most excited? We can talk about AI, but that's
35:28
like kind of like the easy answer. What other technology are you most excited about? Sure. Well, you
35:33
know, I mean, I think that the coolest technology out there really right now is the creation of
35:38
synthetic organs. We all could become super Olympic athletes type people. If they can get us a
35:50
synthetically created heart, a heart that is like, you know, a heart better than Michael Phelps
35:55
of swimming, you know, and they're working on this. There are multiple countries, companies around
36:00
the world, multiple universities that are doing this stuff. Same thing with the eyeball, you know,
36:04
they're working on the synthetic eye that can already see better than you. So some, you know,
36:08
blind people in the United States have eyes that have better telescopic vision than you and I will
36:13
ever have or were born with. And soon that telescopic eye, you know, that robotic eye is going to be
36:19
able to transmit, for example, social media. We might be able to do this interview directly to,
36:23
in fact, they're already experimenting with this, these exact technologies in Silicon Valley
36:27
right now. They're just not on the market. And I really believe that that's some of the stuff I
36:32
most excited. We talk about transhumanism. That's really the next level. So probably in a year or two,
36:38
it depends on how regulations go. But there are people working on robotic arms that tie into your
36:44
neural system that will be as functional as your arm in terms of throwing a baseball or playing
36:49
the piano and eventually be even better. You know, ones that can heat up your coffee just by holding
36:54
your coffee cup. You know, and there are, again, there are companies already working on this. So
36:58
the question is, how do people adapt to it or do they want it, you know, in the marketplace?
37:03
And it did as the FDA and regulations and all. Which is really going to be the biggest
37:07
product. Yes. Yes. And let me just say though, this is where China puts on a good amount of
37:11
pressure for United States because Chinese have a culture that they're not so opposed or they don't
37:16
think a lot of the stuff is so weird. They're like, oh, an upgrade. Fine. I do it. They just,
37:20
they've been doing, it's part of their kind of Confucius Buddhist culture. Whereas America has
37:24
to realize even though we're leaving the innovation in these things, it's often other countries that
37:29
push us to accept innovations that our culture or our people might, you know, if you take a robotic
37:35
arm to somebody and let's say Kansas and say, oh, here I have a roll out of the car and they
37:38
can say, oh, this is stupid. I don't want to be anything like that. Whereas I think, you know,
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maybe Florida, California, we're more open-minded like that. We'll be like, you know what?
37:45
Is it useful? If I'm in construction, will I be able to get more work done so I get higher pay?
37:50
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37:56
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40:24
mission critical to a degree if you have like if you have a synthetic heart or synthetic eyes but
40:28
Neuralink is tapping right into your brain. So I think that that's what somebody who is stressed
40:34
about or maybe not as big a fan of Neuralink is saying well that's like that's that is the one
40:40
part of your body that I mean do you want tech in that part of your body. So I mean I guess I
40:47
can ask like if you're a fan of Neuralink in the concept or are there parts of the body that you
40:52
think transhumanism should stay away from? No I think transhumanism should go for every single part
40:59
of the body. I think though if you ask me am I ready to upload my mind or to take on a Neuralink
41:06
I'm ready to experiment it it's just a little I want other people to do it first or like if you
41:11
say I can wouldn't my want my child to do it I would only want my child to do it right now
41:15
if it was a medical necessity because I I am worried about these things just like I would be
41:20
worried about the COVID vaccine you know I mean I'm no longer a big trusting person in terms of
41:26
pharma companies and this like that don't go wrong I still think vaccines I still will take them
41:30
but I am definitely a more discerning individual after what I've seen politically in the last five to
41:35
10 years and the same thing with Neuralink I don't want my brain to be messed with I've done some
41:40
brainwave feedback stuff and it's like it can almost make you feel high or something and afterwards
41:47
I was like this is a little weird I feel a little weird I wasn't so sure like I don't want people
41:51
messing around with my neurons because you don't know how that's gonna how that's gonna go
41:57
at the same time I think if enough of us do it and there's enough of a basis to say hey this is
42:02
great you get to tap into AI you can have Google Google Maps in your head you can do the interviews
42:07
like this in your brain you know mind to mind then I think I would definitely want it and would love
42:12
to do it but I'm not going to be first be honest though if you had done this interview 15 years
42:18
ago I probably would have said I want to be first so again maybe ages actually changing this a
42:22
little bit in me I am you know we talked about this earlier with how do you treat the things
42:27
differently especially now that you know if I'm a father you know do what I do these things because
42:31
I have children I want to take a little bit of a step back and let others do it first but I still
42:37
am you know right on the ball with wanting to do it over over time there's no question that the
42:42
biology of the brain has to be replaced it is biology it's frail it's designed to die all the
42:48
cells will go and machine interfaces machine brains ones and zeros will ultimately be the ones
42:55
that try and it might be a hundred two and a years in the future but there's no question that AI
43:00
and that type of interface is going to be far smarter than us therefore we'll want to be tapped
43:05
into it we'll want to have a neural link system where we can connect to it we may want to get rid
43:09
of the biological side altogether I would I would say so a couple ideas I guess the first
43:16
question is going to be a multi-par question I'm sorry but there's a lot there's a lot that I
43:20
think comes with this idea so first what happens when we've completely replaced ourselves with
43:27
technology where does the where does the robot begin in the human end I think that's an interesting
43:31
idea and and secondly I am curious about what your vision of the future is if everybody is
43:39
optimized on top of AI if the human is so optimized it everybody is the same IQ and and and lives
43:47
forever what is your ideal version of a future are people working are we just living in this beautiful
43:55
society where everyone is enjoying quality of life and nobody actually works on tasks anymore
43:59
that's kind of like a two-part like where you think we're going but the second part of the question
44:03
fascinates me because for first off I'm not sure where the first part of question I'm not sure
44:08
where the cyborg starts your ends this isn't personal decision for every person to make I've often
44:14
said that once you make your body more than 25% synthetic organs of some sort you probably could
44:20
say well I'm definitively a cyborg but what does it mean to be a real transhuman being well probably
44:25
more than 50% so we're not even really close to that at the same time though how do you know your
44:31
second part of question how do we keep society so that it's not just everyone's the same and it's
44:36
in the doldrums well I guess you know we have a ton of car like for example the car world there's
44:41
millions of different types of cars out there and millions of different affordability issues and
44:46
as a result the freeways are very very diverse in terms of what you can buy so I see the you know
44:51
the idea of human enhancement or you know what we call human body shops putting on like robotic
44:57
arms robotic eyes it's still going to be very diverse almost like software is or AI is right now
45:02
China has is Russia has this there's always going to be different variants one's going to be
45:06
better than the other one might be more affordable given what your price tag is so I don't see
45:11
equality as being an issue I do see though lives continually improving using these types of
45:18
technologies I think if you look at the graph of science through whether it's vaccines or whether
45:23
it's just you know overall scientific you know innovation our lives have gotten better you know less
45:30
women die from childbirth less people die from the flu you know and over time it's just skyrocketing
45:36
in how long the average person can live and that kind of quality that improvement of quality of life
45:41
will continue with all these radical enhancements that humans will get and therefore everybody will be
45:47
dramatically happier happier than their let's say great grandfather I guess and that's good for me
45:53
but certainly I don't think it's going to get boring we're never going to be equal we're always
45:57
going to be at different stages and I don't want equality in fact I want some people to want to be
46:03
better than others and I want competition in the system because that's what will continually
46:07
propel us all forward I agree I think that competition is is core to the human experience and
46:12
and innovation if there's no competition then I think innovation dies totally dies totally
46:18
that and I have a feeling that AI however we incorporate that into our lives will also have
46:23
competition in it within itself as as you know it wants to be better than the other program to be
46:30
better than the other whatever it is I don't see competition going away anytime soon and I'm very
46:34
thankful for that we have to talk about AI briefly I know that I mean even in your own life so
46:40
U.S. Navy officers they visited your home to talk about AI so it's obviously top mine for
46:43
the government obviously but not just in like a commercial or consumer context but in like a
46:47
defense and threat context what do you think what do you think the near-term future
46:56
looks like for AI in terms of global power dynamics military capability forget me using it
47:04
to to write a tweet which at GPT like the real implications of its short term and then maybe long
47:11
term after we achieve a GI sure well you know it's funny because the short and long term are
47:15
getting closer together so I was just here at this Florida University speaking on AI just yesterday
47:22
and I got to say that everybody all the professors also that were there and speaking as well
47:28
we are all scared out of our minds of how quickly it has come about you know when I was at
47:34
recently at the University of Oxford doing a graduate degree I was studying under Nick Bostrom
47:39
was one of the leading AI professors in the world and we had an AI module and nobody was speaking
47:45
about chat GPT yet because they didn't know it existed these are the best professors in AI in the
47:50
world 11 days after that module at Oxford ended chat GPT was launched so it really showed me that
47:59
very few experts have any kind of idea of what's happening with AI but that said let's just take
48:05
a look at what you know you get from some of the CEOs who definitely do know like Sam Altman and
48:10
whatever you know it is growing so fast it's getting better at writing it's getting better thinking
48:16
eventually I think it will develop some type of sentience that's kind of comparable to hours
48:21
I have no doubt it will start to massively take over jobs probably happening in the next six to 12
48:28
months that's jobs lawyers accountants I mean already as a journalist I have you know use it all the
48:34
time and eventually you know I have a name that people need so that's why I might survive later but
48:41
if you're just a normal journalist without a name you know you're gonna be replaced and you're
48:46
seeing it already you're seeing all these layoffs outside magazine just the other day I mean some
48:50
big publications but it's gonna go beyond that it's gonna go to the nursing fields the policing fields
48:56
I was just out watching the lifeguards and I thought oh my god AI could do such a better job of
49:00
scanning for people drowning than one lifeguard who keeps looking at people and that these things will
49:05
and maybe not replace lifeguards for a while but eventually everything will be replaced so
49:10
when probably within three to seven years a huge amount of the workforce upwards of 50 percent
49:17
will be challenged with AI in the next six to 12 months you will start seeing mass layoffs
49:22
you're already seeing mass layoffs right now in Silicon Valley you're seeing it because they know
49:26
that within 12 months most coding will be done by AI and already quite a bit of coding is being
49:32
done so there's a lot less need for software programmers here they said last five 10 years
49:37
oh learn to code that's your future well I've seen the graphs and like the drop off for developers
49:42
is insane it's crazy it's it's absolutely insane and I think people are underestimating living in
49:47
Lala land thinking that oh AI's it's maybe not just a fad but it can never replace me it can
49:54
it's gonna be dramatically smarter than you in fact I would go on the record and say within 24
50:00
months you would be better to have a holographic vision of Zoltin here with an AI brain
50:07
going through all my different podcasts and interviews and having that AI answer your questions
50:13
and that AI would be smarter and more eloquent in answering the questions this hologram then I
50:18
am then myself so I why should I even send my real self to muck up things yeah I just found
50:23
things yeah and then you know AI doesn't have to deal with yeah like oh I had a bad lunch so my
50:28
energy levels aren't great of course of course I was just driving traffic I was a little friend
50:32
yeah you know and this is this is probably within 18 months I could say that that kind of thing will
50:39
already have happened and I worry I've just been trying to enter into a PhD program in England right
50:46
now and you know I've talked some of my professors and they said you know we know that the PhDs will
50:52
be better written by the time you finish by the AI then it is you going through the system so
50:57
you sure you want to do this but you know I mean yeah but you're not doing it for of course you're
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doing it for you yes but that that will be now an issue for the professor how do I know of this
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paper this thesis have been written by a student or by AI of course and that's going to be very
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difficult to determine and and a lot of why I'm doing the PhDs is because I I feel like it fits
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my classical view of the world thankful I'm not having to do it for money but if you're trying to
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do this for money to to get a job later no no there's no job later when an AI can write it
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just higher the AI and this presents a huge problem for intellectuals it's not we're not just
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talking about somebody you know anybody off the streets doing any kind of menial job we're talking
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about the top to the bottom affecting everybody and it's it's going to be incredibly challenging
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three four years in the future I don't I wouldn't be surprised we have mass riots and real issues
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against people that are creating the AI because it's going to be taking so many jobs and challenging
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so much well you can you can now add IQ points to yourself overnight right like that's that there's
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never been a tool that has allowed you to do that to the degree of yeah I mean like what's what's
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the tool before spending hours reading books I guess in a library over a period of time now I
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can answer a question in the next five minutes yeah no it's it's it's the it's a changing world
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very bizarre I I don't know exactly I used to feel like I had a good vision of the future but now
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it's grown darker it's grown a little bit more dystopian and I am afraid I'm no longer promoting
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or pushing AI like most transumists had done for many years before I'm now saying hands off let's
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be a little bit cautious skepticism is what we need and I also say to any entrepreneur right now
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start your business today do not wait do not go to college anymore to do something if you have
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a chance to make money make it today because I don't know what's going to happen to the economic
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world in five years but I do know that if you have a chance to make some money today and make an
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investment and start a business do it now rather than put it off and go to college or something
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because who knows if college is going to be even helpful in five years time but making money today
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will be at least something you'll have in your back pocket when the world is you know ever it is
53:15
yeah whatever it is one last thought on AI and I mentioned this and I just want to get your take on
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it so right now we're talking about AI replacing jobs and that impacts livelihood but on a global
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scale like global powered dynamics we saw deep sea coming out of China now there seems to be this
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AI arms race and I think that the biggest issue with an AI arms race is that
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it's nation state versus nation state trying to sort of outpace each other but at the same time
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there's there's bad actors that are not nation states that are also developing AI and it seems
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like we're only you as is only focusing on what China's doing not what terrorist group that nobody's
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even focusing on is trying to develop so what do you think happens in five years with global
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powered dynamics you think that nation states have to work together or do you think that there's going to be
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I don't know this this like where does it where does it go from here so I mean I can tell you the
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conspiracy theories that I've been hearing at the conference recently in fact I had been thinking
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them forever so first off we we have to beat China in AI because the way AI worked is that if you
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have a stronger AI you can just send the other AI that's being developed a virus and that will take
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that other AI down there's no collaborate there's no option for collaboration it would be great to
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collaborate but it that just hasn't worked it hasn't worked when it came to nuclear weaponry we
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just where our cultures are way too different and one of the conspiracy theories going around the
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conference right now is that one of the reasons that again this is not politics I'm not going to say
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anything in a political way but there is a lot of from Oxford down have said that the only way to
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stop AI is to unify the world under a single global government where you could then have your hands
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in everyone's pockets saying nobody can develop AI because I think the development of AI
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is the most dangerous thing humanity has ever faced and the reason is we're going to create a super
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intelligence that can do things to the human race that we can't imagine it may not be a terminator
55:20
style thing but it might be things like AI decides one day to stop every single car on the road and most
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them are smart cars so it can do so and it may do things like stop all the power all your refrigerators
55:30
you're alive anything it can it can send us back to the 70s essentially the 60s where everything is
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analog and so a lot of people think that even some of the Trump dealings right now with Russia
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have to do with him just going to make an ally at a Putin and then they're going to go after China
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and kind of create a world dominance where we can then say police everyone to not develop AI
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because you cannot just let AI continue to develop whether it's the China whether it's
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United States whether it's the bad market actors if somebody keeps working towards super intelligent
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at some point that AI becomes smarter than us and when it becomes smarter than us it becomes a
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real challenge to the human race what if it chooses it does like is what if it says you know guys
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are using all the resources on planet earth those are my resources AI's resources stop you guys
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are done you know and just stops the world so the conspiracy theory at this conference was that
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there is a push afoot for Trump perhaps to become an emperor in order to stop AI not because he
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wants to be an emperor but just to stop AI and what's really interesting is this is a lot of PhD
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level academics that are thinking these things and they're not they're not they're usually left
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this so they're they're they're not actually even four or against politics but they're just trying
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to figure out what can we actually do to stop bad actors China Russia from developing an AI that's
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you know going to be super intelligent it doesn't help anyone if super intelligent AI it's more
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now the reason I just mentioned all this is just to give you a little bit of an insight glimpse
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of what the academic conference everyone's freaked out everyone's freaked out and we all think that
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super intelligence will be here within two to five years at the progress that's going so if
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something like world war three doesn't happen quickly to stop it then we're in deeper trouble
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world war three is not the worry the real worry is that super intelligence gets created and stops
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civilization as we know it and that's what I you know I found fascinating to hear a lot of academics
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writing papers and thinking about that like like it's real like this is the bigger thought process
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absolutely incredible okay I appreciate you so much um you've given a lot I want to I want to
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give people the opportunity to connect with you and to consume more of your work where do you like
57:49
to send people if they want to tune into like what you're working on website social all that
57:54
so you know I have a website sold at each fund.com if people want to go to and discover a lot
57:58
of my work because it involves some of my business work and some of my writings my past journalism
58:03
my sailing work um but if you just want to follow on social media and hear what I'm going to doing
58:08
uh I have you know it's it is somewhat well known that I have been thinking about running for
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California governor um I'd have to make a decision here in the next few months I'm not doing so
58:17
at the moment but I have definitely been thinking about it a lot so that might be something fun
58:21
being upgrade yes and you know I would definitely be running very uh strongly on how can we deal with
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AI I'm also you know a fan of other concepts like you know I hear all these people talking about
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the public school so when I ran for governor in 2018 and they asked me this question one of the
58:38
debates and they said you know well what are we gonna do and you know 2035 about the school systems
58:42
I laughed and I said there's not gonna be school systems like we know it uh by 2020 2035 already
58:50
in 2025 it's like colleges and schools are starting to say oh my god what are we gonna do
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there is no reason for a college anymore except for social socializing you know is that's a
59:02
different thing than learning mathematics yes we want to make our kids smart but there's no more
59:06
we're pushing them towards a job we can't put you can't imagine there's gonna be jobs that a
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human can do that an AI and a robot can't do by 2035 and so you really have started to rethink
59:16
the school system and rethink what it means to be a human being alive especially in you know
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beautiful California and beautiful Florida um so it's funny though these are questions that you know
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if I was running for governor I would be answering so if you're you know your audience wants to
59:31
follow that they may they may have a good time hearing at least I don't think I'll win unfortunately
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but um certainly I will have some interesting talking points if I go down that path I love it and
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I think that I'll ask you this just to leave the audience with there's been a lot of probably
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stressful topics for people that are tuned into technology and AI and I think they're all asking
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kind of the same questions that I probably asked you today um assume listen like we have to assume
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that AI is not gonna take over the world let's just let's just assume that and let's say that we
1:00:01
want to set ourselves up and more importantly our kids for a good life what is the what is the
1:00:08
words of wisdom you have to somebody who's like saying okay so I'm already I'm I'm older I'm
1:00:12
successful I've already sort of figured out life and money and and wealth and and happiness
1:00:16
for my kids what's the path that I put them on do I do I send them to school do I turn them into
1:00:21
entrepreneurs uh what's the job they should focus on like what's the words of wisdom for somebody
1:00:26
who wants to figure out how to set their kids up for success I think the the most important thing is
1:00:30
that if you're a parent these days you want to build wealth that you can pass down to your kids if
1:00:35
you've for some reason die or you know aging takes place um that's really important for me like
1:00:41
creating a world where my kids may not be able to work and survive because they have some type of
1:00:46
houses and funding investment properties that's very important to me so if you're a parent do that
1:00:50
now I think for the kids themselves though you got to get them to be happy and find fulfillment and
1:00:57
meaning in what they're doing in their day to day lives we might all become artists in the 100
1:01:03
year future because there's no work that we have to do and art can be something beautiful that you
1:01:08
can do may not be selling it much but it's something that can be meaningful with what you want to do
1:01:14
you know and we might all it's hard to know where the real future lies maybe a lies and really
1:01:19
just a lot of physical activities you know I'm a big surfer and if I had a chance and you give me a
1:01:24
dream life I'd love to just be on a beach in Bahamas and surf all day and improve my surfing and
1:01:28
this might be something that our kids can do a real life of luxury without this strong
1:01:34
define meaning to work because of robots and AI doing it however if the robots and AI don't come
1:01:40
and as I mentioned they may not come because there may be people that stop it it's really important
1:01:45
to tell them hey competition is key find your inner wolf and develop that your inner tiger whatever
1:01:51
it is and find something that means something to you and go after and make some money doing it
1:01:57
and and and have a soul about it you know develop some spiritual connection to your work to your
1:02:03
life to the people around you and and create a real world and I think most importantly make
1:02:08
something with your hands and I don't mean like it has to be with your hands I mean physically
1:02:12
form something it you know make the world better when I drive through Miami and I see the skyscrapers
1:02:18
I think wow who are the people that created these things these are monsters beautiful and so make
1:02:23
something make something of yourself I love it I think that also kids should should lean into
1:02:29
new technologies just so they're not oblivious to what's happening in the world I know a lot I mean
1:02:33
we we come from tech and you even more so than me and I'm you know I'm reading the news all the time
1:02:39
trying to figure out what's happening but I know like I know a lot of people in my life that don't
1:02:44
come from fact that I have no idea what's happening with AI and they're just completely oblivious
1:02:47
because I just assume well if I don't if I don't learn about it's not going to impact me I think
1:02:51
that's the wrong attitude I think that at least knowing what's going on is important I appreciate
1:02:55
you so much thank you so much for coming on the last question I always ask and we can we can keep
1:03:00
it short but out of all the out of all the wisdom that you've learned over your entire life say you
1:03:06
had to distill it all to one lesson that you wanted to pass on to your kids and you've given a lot
1:03:09
of different lessons but the most important lesson that you want your kids to to remember as they grow
1:03:14
up what would that lesson be in why don't let fear rule your lives I think a lot of people are afraid
1:03:20
to take chances I think we kind of grow up being afraid of so many different things society or
1:03:26
parents this forget it all man none of it matters don't pay attention to what people think about
1:03:31
don't let fear rule your life just go out there and do what you're going to do and if you get hurt
1:03:37
or maimed or harmed in the meantime hey that's that's part of the life that's part of life it's
1:03:42
rough and tumble out there it's not always perfect but don't let fear rule your life because in the
1:03:46
end of the day if you're honest about moving forward and taking chances you'll always be successful
1:03:51
successful you'll always be stoked with who you are