Latest / The Dr. Randi Show / The Authority Behind the World’s Top Injectors — Dr. Shino Bay
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- 0:28Now let's get into the episode. Hello everyone and welcome to
- 0:31the Doctor Randy show where the biggest names in beauty,
- 0:35medicine and innovation get real Today's guests.
- 0:39We're so excited to have him here.
- 0:41He is the top trainer for the world's biggest aesthetic
- 0:44brands. He is the number one sculpture
- 0:47injector in the US with techniques taught globally and
- 0:52he is the multi award-winning doctor, speaker and laser
- 0:55legend. Please welcome Doctor Shino Bay.
- 0:59Doctor Vey, thank you so much for joining us today.
- 1:02We couldn't be more excited to have you on the show.
- 1:05And your name is synonymous with so many things that when people
- 1:08hear the name shinobi, there's this instant association with
- 1:12beauty, confidence and transformation.
- 1:15So let's jump in with how you personally define what you do.
- 1:20Thank you. Well, I don't know.
- 1:22I like to marry two things that I'm passionate.
- 1:24I'm passionate about making people feel good physically and
- 1:28emotionally. And that's the reason why I
- 1:30picked the field dermatologists. I learned at a very early age
- 1:35when I was a child in Panama, that the type of doctor I wanted
- 1:39to be, and then being spiritual and being in a world people may
- 1:46consider as vain, I tried to make my patients cope with the
- 1:51aging process better than just me, make them appear younger.
- 1:56I want them to really embrace being younger and also to
- 2:00release all fear about the aging process at the same time.
- 2:04So basically I'm trying to give my patients a spiritual face
- 2:09lift while they're in my practice.
- 2:12So that I'm sure that makes them feel amazing.
- 2:15And I think we all need that, right when we're coming there
- 2:17and we're sitting in that treatment room ready to have our
- 2:21treatment. We want to know that the person
- 2:23that's on the other end understands us and can hear us
- 2:28and that we're heard and that our feelings as well as our
- 2:31weaknesses are addressed right there.
- 2:33So that's wonderful that you're doing that.
- 2:35Thank you. That's great.
- 2:37So you have been on the front lines of injectables for years
- 2:42now and how have you seen the field evolve in terms of patient
- 2:48expectations? Well, I mean, your patients are
- 2:51very savvy these days. There's a lot of information,
- 2:54but at the same time, there's a lot of misinformation and
- 2:57unfortunately, like the yin and Yano things, even though there's
- 3:01good information out there, there's also people that take
- 3:05advantage and they bank on the insecurity of patients and they
- 3:09do trying to sell snake oil and hope in a jar that leads to
- 3:14nothing, just disappointment and frustration.
- 3:17So I, I was trying to make sure that I get involved in anything
- 3:21that has to do with not only education to my residents
- 3:25fellows and in my master classes I train other provided, but also
- 3:30I, I accept many invitations to speak or to write a magazine
- 3:36that is for consumers and I like to use my voice to educate them
- 3:40as well. That's wonderful.
- 3:43So you're helping the whole industry elevate to the next
- 3:47level. What do you wish more injectors
- 3:50understood about the aging process beyond the surface
- 3:54level? Oh wow, this is exactly what I
- 3:57mean about giving my patients a spiritual facelift and prepare
- 4:02them for every decade. So this is for everyone out
- 4:06there that beauty and age have nothing to do with what you look
- 4:15in the outside. If you really look at that that
- 4:19way. I met so many beautiful people.
- 4:22I mean, when I was younger, I was a male model, so I was
- 4:25surrounded by beautiful women and very attractive man.
- 4:29But not everybody was beautiful. You know, the minute that they
- 4:32open their mouth, they just turn into a piece of furniture that
- 4:35it was good to look at, but they had nothing to offer.
- 4:40Same thing with age. It does help to look younger for
- 4:44your chronicle age because if you do, you believe more of the
- 4:48energy of youth. So youth and beauty is an
- 4:51experience that you allow others to have of who you are.
- 4:57So if you feel attractive and you walk in a room with
- 5:01confidence because you feel attractive, you don't need to be
- 5:05the most physical beautiful person in the room or you could
- 5:09be the most attractive person in the room.
- 5:12We all met beautiful people that have nothing to offer or the
- 5:17opposite that they could be cruel or mean or there's nothing
- 5:20to share. Immediately you walk the other
- 5:23way and found the most beautiful and attractive soul in the room.
- 5:27Same thing with youth. I mean, you could look very
- 5:30young, but Saturday night at 8:00 PM you have no place to go
- 5:35and just, you know, watching Netflix while you have an 80
- 5:39year old that is still going to the dance club and having a ball
- 5:43and looking forward for tomorrow.
- 5:46So youth and beauty are experiences that you can
- 5:50actually cultivate and share. I couldn't agree more.
- 5:56I love that you said that because I do feel that even if a
- 6:00woman isn't perfectly dressed, the way she walks into a room
- 6:03and the way she carries herself and her confidence can make
- 6:06everybody turn their heads. So I completely agree with that.
- 6:10So one of the topics I'd love to talk about because it is when
- 6:13you look up your name, you are widely known for your expertise
- 6:17with Sculptra. And I am curious, as I'm sure
- 6:21our audiences, what made you gravitate toward biostimulatory
- 6:26treatments? Oh, I had my own experience with
- 6:30Perception Drift and this is an article that was written by my
- 6:35dear friend Sabrina Fabian. Perception drift is that you
- 6:38start doing things for the sake of staving off the aging
- 6:42process. For example, I was only 35.
- 6:45I'm going to be 57 in November. I was only 35 years old and I
- 6:50thought that if I do little things, I will look younger.
- 6:56By the time I was 55, I will not look my age.
- 6:59And it backfired because I actually look like a cherub.
- 7:04I only needed wings to come out of my neck because I look at one
- 7:08of those angels on the paintings and nobody told me that.
- 7:12And it happened so gradually that I didn't know that I have
- 7:16completely made myself like a cartoon version of myself.
- 7:21Thank God that I have a very honest sister.
- 7:23And she told you ruin your face, you don't look like Chino
- 7:26anymore. And I was able to, I take a
- 7:29show, a Spanish show, and I got to see myself and I go, Oh my
- 7:34God. So I took nine months of a
- 7:36starvation melting everything out of my face and looking for
- 7:41better ways to stave off the aging process.
- 7:44And that's when I look for bio regulatory aesthetics where I
- 7:48can actually may my own body get younger with my own tissue
- 7:54instead of trying to make me appear younger for a finite
- 7:58period of time with a synthetic gel that came out of the
- 8:02machine. Got it.
- 8:05And that is what sculpture does, right?
- 8:08So. I think you know our a lot of
- 8:11our audience may or may not know that how sculpture works, how it
- 8:15works with our own facial tissue.
- 8:17Can you explain that? Yeah, So Cultra is actually
- 8:21beyond a biochologist stimulators, we used to think it
- 8:25was only a biochologist. For example, the technique that
- 8:28I do with Sculptra is completely different than unlabeled
- 8:32technique that people learn. I found out in 2009 that if you
- 8:36place polylactic acid, which is Cultra suprapuriostia, which
- 8:41means on top of the bone, you bone will the same take race
- 8:45slowly. But what many people don't
- 8:49understand that the way you look like an elderly person, the way
- 8:54you look like grandma and grandpa is that you lose the
- 8:58bone on your face. It is integrates, it shrinks.
- 9:02When that happens, you look elderly.
- 9:05So people think like, oh, that's impossible, prove it.
- 9:10Well, I've been doing it for 20 years and my family, all my
- 9:14patients, including myself, we look 15 to 20 years younger or
- 9:19chronological age because I slow down the changes on the bone and
- 9:24even though I injected on top of the bone, the skin doesn't
- 9:27change. It makes collagen still.
- 9:29Why? Because our cells communicate
- 9:32with each other and is also morphogenic.
- 9:35So imitates fat. If you have fat cells or
- 9:38actually I should not say imitate, it makes your fat cells
- 9:41to make more fat. It imitates bone.
- 9:45And perhaps we thinking that is doing something on the bone that
- 9:49you either making or not disintegrating fast.
- 9:53And it makes collagen and elastic fiber, which is what
- 9:56most people think Sculptra do. But Sculptra the powers sculptra
- 10:01is to imitate and preserve the architecture of the bone.
- 10:05So you can be like chair almost 80 but it still have youth on
- 10:09your face. Well, I almost gasped when you
- 10:12said you that you're going to turn 57 because if you told me
- 10:16you were 37, I would believe you.
- 10:18So whatever it is that you're doing, you're doing it right.
- 10:21So it's great that you're sharing it with the rest of the
- 10:24world. So how do you know with all the
- 10:28different skin trends and treatments out there, how do you
- 10:31decide what you're going to bring into your practice and
- 10:35which is just hype in the industry?
- 10:37In terms of skin care you mean? Yes, and as well as devices.
- 10:41Yeah, as well as devices. Well, when it comes to skin
- 10:44care, like lotions and portions, I have to have at least a
- 10:48minimum of a white paper. A white paper is a paper where
- 10:53the company show that there's some science behind and they
- 10:56don't study. It's not like going through
- 10:58Sephora or not to put it down because I still love going there
- 11:03and see what is there. And sometimes I'm buying a lot
- 11:05of stuff that I really need, but I need that.
- 11:08I need studies to support their claims.
- 11:11When it comes to energy devices, same thing.
- 11:13Studies for safety and efficacy. I made a lot of mistake in my
- 11:18younger years buying high, buying new technology and then
- 11:23they were very expensive and they didn't find out to be what
- 11:27they said they were going to be or as efficacious or the safety
- 11:31was in there. When it comes to injectable
- 11:34fillers and things that are used to imitate tissue, I like to do
- 11:39a like for like approach instead of using injectable fillers,
- 11:45which I used a lot. I don't want people to think
- 11:47that I don't use fillers in my practice, but to me they're not
- 11:52anti aging. They are a structural
- 11:54supporters. They do an amazing work to give
- 11:59a structural support to the aging phase, but I like to bio
- 12:04regenerate phase first. If I need fat, I use renewable.
- 12:08I know how to bring fat to the face without having to get fat
- 12:12transfer. If I need to maintain the bone,
- 12:14I use culture on the bone. If I need to create collage,
- 12:17elastic fiber, I can do hyper radials with micronutrients,
- 12:22polynucleotize, exosomes, and a plethora of things that I can
- 12:26use to improve the quality of the skin.
- 12:29So that's my reasoning and my logic behind things.
- 12:33I love that and how you're partnering some of the
- 12:36modalities together for success, right?
- 12:39So it's not just always one answer on that topic.
- 12:42Are there any skin trends or treatments that you think the
- 12:46public and clinicians are getting wrong right now that we
- 12:50sort of need to be corrected on? Yeah, this is the voice of my
- 12:54mission this year is to people, to my colleagues to be aware of
- 12:58Ortho molecular medicine and Ortho molecular medicine.
- 13:03He was coined by Linus Pomli, A2 times Nobel Prize winner.
- 13:08And the premises of ortho molecular medicine is that
- 13:11within or food, there are molecules that make us thrive or
- 13:17can make us sick. And at that time, because
- 13:20academic arrogance, many of my colleagues of the 60s, they
- 13:25frowned upon this type of knowledge because there were not
- 13:28a lot of peer review papers. But now we're leaving it.
- 13:32We know that food is medicine and food can make you thrive and
- 13:37can also kill us or hurt us. So I don't need to convince
- 13:41anybody that's listening to us that that is true.
- 13:45So ortho molecular medicine is that we have a lot of products
- 13:50now coming into the United States, that being in Europe for
- 13:5453 years, 45 years, products that are Poly revitalizing
- 14:00micronutrients that when you add this product or you prime, the
- 14:04skin or cells will become more vigorous and robust.
- 14:09Even visually turning yarn in front of our eyes, in vitro
- 14:14studies show that it makes all our techniques be amplified.
- 14:20The results? Yeah, and it sounds like you
- 14:23really are engaged on the scientific side of things, and
- 14:27not just the outward, but how this is all coming together on
- 14:31the scientific side. I think that's amazing.
- 14:34What do you think the next generation of aesthetic
- 14:37professionals will need to succeed in this industry?
- 14:41I think they need to understand bioregal aesthetic medicine
- 14:46because that's not the future. We're leaving it now.
- 14:49I mean, I sit in a lot of at boards where we already know how
- 14:54to make every single human cell young.
- 14:58Again, isn't studies. We got two different companies
- 15:02competing for the same space. It's already done.
- 15:05So what I tell my colleagues is that we need to not lift the
- 15:10injectable fillers. We still need them.
- 15:13But you, you're not doing bioreal aesthetic medicine.
- 15:17You practice. You're doing a disservice to
- 15:19your patients and to science and to your practice because that's
- 15:24where we all are right now. And if you are not, you're
- 15:27falling behind the curve. I combine biorealist aesthetic
- 15:31medicine with ortho molecular medicine and I call that
- 15:35function aesthetic medicine and functional aesthetic medicine.
- 15:39Premise is that every single of the 50 trillion cells and the
- 15:46human body is a living entity and you have consciousness.
- 15:51They are like a mini version of yourself.
- 15:54Their birth, they mature, they go to work, they all have
- 15:58important jobs to do, they get older and they die.
- 16:02And thus far we are always asking so much of our aging
- 16:08cells and the way we do is by torturing them, right?
- 16:12Typical of humans, give me collagen, give me elastic fiber
- 16:17and what do we do? We burn them, we electrocute
- 16:19them, we use chemicals, we put things that are not natural and
- 16:25they love us so much that they still delivered.
- 16:27So when you add polymeric micronutrients or you do non
- 16:32inflammatory waste to nurture these cells, what we saw on our
- 16:37studies is that they behave young and every single resource
- 16:42that we get gets amplified. So we need to be kinder to our
- 16:48aging cells. Agreed.
- 16:50Agreed. It's funny, on a smaller scale,
- 16:53I think I have a very strong opinion about people over
- 16:58exfoliating their skin on their face.
- 17:00I think this is a very popular trend.
- 17:03And I'm sure you've peeked into social media here and there
- 17:06where these skin fluencers are basically telling you to
- 17:10exfoliate twice a day chemically.
- 17:13And I think, and then somebody winds up with a completely
- 17:16disrupted skin barrier and then they wind up with the
- 17:19dermatologist to fix that, right?
- 17:21So I think you're right, we need to be much more kind to
- 17:24ourselves. Absolutely.
- 17:27Yeah, Nobody thinks about our cells.
- 17:29They mutate and become cancerous, or they malfunction
- 17:33and you have a disease. So we have to be conscientious
- 17:36of what we put in our body, right?
- 17:39I understand that our cells have the same requirements as you and
- 17:42I. They need nutrition protection
- 17:45and hydration. Absolutely.
- 17:48So quick question for you. You know, one of the interesting
- 17:52things I found when I was researching Chino Bay is that
- 17:57you really have trained and taught on a global scale.
- 18:01How does the US aesthetic market compared to what you see
- 18:05internationally? Well, we are little bit behind
- 18:09unfortunately. Like I was mentioned for
- 18:11example, polyurethralizing micronutrients and CTF by filmed
- 18:17is a products about 46 years old.
- 18:20And then we have in the United States of scanning products,
- 18:22which is and CPR and they have a plethora of different
- 18:26polyurethalizing micronutrients and polyurethritized.
- 18:29I hear a lot of my colleagues, they go and they speak with
- 18:33authority and they don't know absolutely anything.
- 18:37And that was gets me like and I can't get mad because some of
- 18:41them are colleagues. I'm afraid of mine.
- 18:43So I let people do and time will tell, right?
- 18:47But they come and they say, oh, it's snake banner.
- 18:50There's no studies. And like, hello, there's no
- 18:53study because you haven't even taken the time to look for them
- 18:58because they are studies. For example, polynucleotize, I
- 19:01published with my friend Saranga Wiles for the mayor of clinic, a
- 19:05study in the United States about polynucleotize.
- 19:09And then just a couple weeks ago, I see a prominent plastic
- 19:13surgery that's notorious for doing this, talking a good game
- 19:17about Polyneucrotides. And it showed that he had
- 19:19anything bother to do the resource and see that
- 19:24Polyneucrotides has a lot of papers behind and that we have
- 19:28one here in the United States, which I happen to be one of the
- 19:32co-authors as well. And I don't put my neighbor
- 19:35anything that does not have science behind.
- 19:38So I see that with a lot of colleagues that these days
- 19:41anybody with a microphone thinks is an expert.
- 19:45You could be an expert on your field, but, and it's OK if you
- 19:48have an opinion, but don't discredit scientists that have
- 19:53spent a lifetime in a lab to bring us this information.
- 19:58Because unless you have outdoor or unless you work in a lab, you
- 20:03have no business coming out in social media and trying to
- 20:06discredit technology and techniques that have a lot of
- 20:11science behind. You just don't know it because.
- 20:14You haven't taken the time to study them.
- 20:17So on that topic of social media, I have to ask because
- 20:20it's such a hot topic in our industry, do you think that
- 20:23social media has helped or hurt the aesthetic industry?
- 20:27You know, it's like the gene onion.
- 20:29I always tell where this like this darkness with this tall,
- 20:33this short, and it's always going to be like that.
- 20:36So in some ways, social media has been helpful because he
- 20:40allows to find more information easily.
- 20:44Like I follow some colleagues from some obscure area around
- 20:49the world that has something meaningful for me to hear or
- 20:54understand and techniques and things that I wasn't aware of.
- 20:58And, and I'm sure that's the same thing for the consumers and
- 21:02the patients that get exposed. But on the same time, like I
- 21:05mentioned, there's a lot of misinformation out there and
- 21:09everybody with a microphone can be an expert and influencers
- 21:14that sometimes doesn't have the right knowledge or the accolades
- 21:19to influence other people. So he has his pluses and he has
- 21:23his minuses. I myself a little bit frustrated
- 21:26with social media, with the algorithm, because I feel like
- 21:30it's all about them and he just learned what I like so he can
- 21:34sell me stuff that I like. He also solidifies my own biases
- 21:39as well. So again, I'm trying to use it
- 21:43as a tool, but I try not to be the play thing of social media.
- 21:48Sure. And I agree.
- 21:50Sometimes I log in and I learned something that I didn't know
- 21:53right. And then I go and research like
- 21:55you're talking about. But then sometimes I see, you
- 21:58know, an influencer and it's almost haunting because they
- 22:02take like a retinol product, for example, that's supposed to be
- 22:05used in a pea size and they're taking like an entire handful
- 22:10and rubbing it all over their face and drowning their skin in
- 22:13it. And then there's people in the
- 22:14comments saying I tried this and my skin was raw for a week.
- 22:19So I think that there there is the pro and the con on there.
- 22:23So we can learn a lot. But I think at the end of the
- 22:25day, we do have to do our own research and make sure that
- 22:28we're not just following anybody, any old person that's
- 22:31talking with a microphone, like you said.
- 22:33Yes. So what do you think with your
- 22:37finger on the pulse of things? What do you think is the next
- 22:41major shift that we will see in aesthetics in the next few
- 22:44years? So we are decoding aging process
- 22:48at a cellular level. So that's why it's important for
- 22:51people to embrace bio Realtors treatments and ortho molecular
- 22:55medicine and functionalist medicine because we have to see
- 22:59aging at a cellular level. And so there's so many things
- 23:03coming out in the market, especially at the end of this
- 23:06year or beginning of this year, where we are actually are able
- 23:10to affect almost the 12th hallmark of aging at a cellular
- 23:14level. So the future looks promising.
- 23:17But that's the thing that I would say like when it comes to
- 23:21injectable fillers, when I use injectable fillers, picturing at
- 23:25your purse. So I put myself on the back,
- 23:27like good job, I'm a good artist, I know anatomy, I didn't
- 23:31hurt anybody and nobody went blind or anything like that.
- 23:35You know, like things that can go wrong if you don't know what
- 23:38you're doing. But it ends there.
- 23:40He ends there. I don't go home and have
- 23:44sleepless night thinking what it is that's happening.
- 23:48For example, when I discovered that Sculptra on the bone slows
- 23:52down the edge of the bone so you don't look elderly at 50 or
- 23:56almost 60. Why?
- 23:59Why? What is happening, which Selma
- 24:01affecting? I don't know those answer
- 24:03because I'm a clinician. I can only report what I
- 24:06observed in my clinic, but guess what, there's tons of scientists
- 24:11in labs already working on this and they require somebody like
- 24:15me to approach them and tell them, listen, when I do this,
- 24:19I'm getting this. Can you look that and with
- 24:22culture is the perfect sample. A product that was feared since
- 24:262004 has become the number one or one of the most so after
- 24:32products globally because the world that we've done with it
- 24:37and we have now Gene Ontology. I not only know about what
- 24:42happened with Sculptra at a cellular level, we have gene
- 24:47expression and gene string analysis.
- 24:50The proof that for whatever I see clinically on a patient's
- 24:55skin, on the fact there is up regulation of a gene that gets
- 25:00turned on, and it proved that what I'm seeing is happening at
- 25:06a cellular level, the level of the genes themselves.
- 25:11Right. I mean, you really are making a
- 25:13difference and looking at things from every different facet
- 25:17possible. So I think it's very interesting
- 25:20to talk about it at this level. You and on that topic, you've
- 25:23contributed so much as a teacher and a mentor to the industry.
- 25:29What is the most rewarding part about that for you and that role
- 25:32that you play? And I really, really love when I
- 25:38see my residence, my fellows in dermatology and my pupils.
- 25:43When people take my master class, they become my pupils.
- 25:46I don't give master class and say, say your Dada.
- 25:49No, they're my people for the rest of the life.
- 25:51I'm the lifeline. And a lot of people that are
- 25:55being on their mind to tell, they have become key opinion
- 26:00leaders themselves. They have published, they have
- 26:04their own master classes, they have their own schools of
- 26:08training. So I feel like I will live
- 26:11forever in their success and I love that.
- 26:17I love being part of their success.
- 26:19They said this, I think it was Rumi that say that when you die
- 26:23you experience 2 deaths, the actual physical death and the
- 26:28last time somebody mentions your name.
- 26:31So I feel like even when I'm no longer here physically, I think
- 26:35that my name will be mentioned from time to time in
- 26:39conversation. So I will live forever.
- 26:42I'm immoral. That's deep, but I love it.
- 26:45It's awesome to think about it that way.
- 26:47And now I'll probably repeat that statement because I love
- 26:50it. So thank you for sharing that.
- 26:53When you do, you know, teach injectors and you enter into a
- 26:56room of I wouldn't say your peers because you're teaching
- 26:59them, but what is 1 mistake that you see over and over again?
- 27:03Oh yes, the biggest pet peeve is when they want to mark the face
- 27:08all over. Like again, they start marking
- 27:12and I always tell that marking is good for safety or when you
- 27:16teach. But if you marking every single
- 27:20time, I bet you that you marking because you learn that from
- 27:24somebody else and you have this preconceived idea of what you
- 27:30think that face needs instead of allowing the face to tell you
- 27:36what it really needs and what. So when you mark constantly,
- 27:41your artistic eyes suffers and you're working harder than you
- 27:46need to work and you're going to get burned out.
- 27:49So when my residents come or when I teach master class, the
- 27:53first thing I do is deprogram. I deprogram their brain with
- 27:59little brain teasers throughout the classes, and then I tried to
- 28:03teach them how to look at the face and allow the face to tell
- 28:07them what it really needs. Instead of trying to mold them
- 28:11or mold everybody into these lines that they create, that
- 28:15pretty sure they'll learn the from somebody else.
- 28:17They're trying to borrow the technique of someone else and
- 28:22force every single face in these lines and not really listening
- 28:27to what the face has to say. So that's my biggest thing that
- 28:32I teach when they come to my classes.
- 28:35I do not want to set out technicians out there.
- 28:39I want to set out real artists in the world.
- 28:42Aesthetics. That's amazing.
- 28:44And I think I have been to the injector that follows the
- 28:49textbook and I've been to the injector that follows the face.
- 28:53So I understand what you're saying because sometimes I walk
- 28:56in and I say I want these four things done with filler on my
- 29:00face. And sometimes in the injector
- 29:02will just say OK, and then they just do it.
- 29:04And then some injectors, more along the lines of your thought,
- 29:09we'll say, let me get started and see how things go.
- 29:12Because you're right, not everybody's face is going to
- 29:16accept filler right here. Like sometimes it looks like
- 29:19it's going more under the eye. Sometimes it's making the cheeks
- 29:22too wide. And I think like the face speaks
- 29:24to us. And I love that you're saying
- 29:27that because I think too many injectors are trying to stick to
- 29:30the textbook, what they learned. But each face is different,
- 29:34right? Correct.
- 29:35Yeah, we don't. We need artists, not
- 29:36technicians. Yes, exactly.
- 29:39So what do you think the future of aesthetic education looks
- 29:44like? Is it tech based?
- 29:45Is it hands on? Is it something else?
- 29:47What do you think we're going to see evolve in that space?
- 29:50Because there's so many injectors coming into the space,
- 29:53it's almost impossible to get them all to be experts.
- 29:56What do you see? The best thing is hands on by
- 29:59far. When we work with our hands and
- 30:01we got you can have all the theory and you can memorize it
- 30:05and you can recite it. But if you do not cultivate your
- 30:10artistic eye first, then you really need to understand every
- 30:15single filter that is out there. And you need to understand what
- 30:19it is to press 0.1 CC with restriction force, how you push
- 30:25the needle with every single filter, even if you switch it to
- 30:29an insulin syringe. How does that feel?
- 30:32What does 2 units look like on a blip on the forehead?
- 30:38So you need to really like practice in using all your
- 30:44senses and relies on all of them to create this arc.
- 30:48So if you're not doing hands on, you will not grow.
- 30:51You know, you get stunned. So you have to use all your
- 30:54senses, tactile, visual it is important.
- 30:59Yes. OK.
- 31:00So I'd love to ask you a couple of personal questions.
- 31:04All right, so so you know, what is something that people would
- 31:08learn about you that would genuinely surprise them about
- 31:11you? I don't know, there's so many
- 31:15things about me. One thing that people sometimes
- 31:18assume is that because I'm a doctor, I was born with a gold
- 31:25spoon in my mouth. And I grew up extremely poor in,
- 31:28in Panama City, Panama. I had a very tragic, tumultuous
- 31:33childhood, you know, beyond he was 10 years old.
- 31:35I was abuse of all kind of forms.
- 31:38I was bullied and I came to this country to be reborn again and
- 31:44become the person that I am now. So this success that people see,
- 31:51it came with a lot of sweat and tears, right?
- 31:55And nothing was ever handed to me.
- 31:57I envisioned my life in this country and I prepare myself.
- 32:02It was a five years old to come to United States and become a
- 32:06doctorate particular a dermatologist.
- 32:09So I had a childhood that I should hate people, but I don't.
- 32:15I became more compassionate because of everything that I
- 32:18passed. People see success from the
- 32:21outside, but you never know what happened for you to get where
- 32:26you are. So I think that's one
- 32:29misconception that people think that I came from money or I'm
- 32:33privileged. But no, I was beyond privileged
- 32:36being We didn't even have a toilet.
- 32:38We had a hole in the ground the way I grew up, but I felt like I
- 32:42was born the wrong place at the wrong time in the wrong family
- 32:46sometimes. But here I am.
- 32:50I made all my dreams come true. Well.
- 32:52I love that story and I love what you said.
- 32:56And it's no wonder that you look the way you do and they're the
- 33:00beautiful human that you are because you said, you know, you
- 33:03could be angry and hate from what happened to you, but
- 33:07instead you've become more compassionate.
- 33:09And they think that's there's two different paths that people
- 33:12take when they go through hardship.
- 33:14And the beautiful people learn to accept and help others,
- 33:17right? So that's very nice.
- 33:20And what would you say is your proudest professional moment,
- 33:24the one that really sticks with you in your career?
- 33:31I think in my professional moment was when I was invited to
- 33:35brag by mercs and I was just overcoming and I remember that I
- 33:41was invited but I didn't know what was I invited for.
- 33:44I just was invited. But I was invited to speak and
- 33:48inject in front of the best Kyoppino leaders of the world.
- 33:53And me, I'm used to speaking, but I was saying speaking to
- 33:58people that when I saw them, I would get starstruck like Doris
- 34:02Day, Arthur Swift, Steve, Diane and all these people that I look
- 34:07up to. And I'm looking at the audience
- 34:09and I'm petrified when I hear my name and I see Arthur Swift.
- 34:13I guess he sees the look of fear that I have.
- 34:17And then he grabbed me and he says you belong up there.
- 34:22OK, like theory I because and I was petrified when the minute
- 34:26that he said that and he put his hand on my shoulder and he said
- 34:29you belong up there. Like all that left me and I went
- 34:34up there and I did a great job. And I remember cracking a joke
- 34:39and everybody laughed and it went so well.
- 34:41Like that was the last time I have fear of public speaking.
- 34:47So I was very proud of myself not to crack, but I'm very
- 34:50grateful for Arthur Swift from that day because he also showed
- 34:56me how kind of him to notice what I was going through and we
- 35:05just putting his hand on my shoulder and say those words.
- 35:08He impacted me to this day and I said I want to be just that for
- 35:15somebody else. I love it.
- 35:18You know, isn't it amazing how some people don't know that they
- 35:21could have done one small thing for us and that it changes our
- 35:25entire path and our career? I'm sure you probably told him,
- 35:28if not, he should. But it's incredible to hear that
- 35:31story and so very, very real. I'd love to meet him someday.
- 35:35That's a beautiful story. So as we wrap up here, Doctor
- 35:41Shino, is there anything else that you want to share with the
- 35:44world? I have a couple more last minute
- 35:46question for you, but is there anything else that you want to
- 35:49share with the world here and our listeners and viewers?
- 35:52Yeah, I want people to really understand the aging process as
- 35:56it happens. The ageing is architectural
- 35:59changes. So from age 18 to 3540 you lose
- 36:04about 1 to 2% of the quality of your skin.
- 36:06So concentrate. If you are a young 20 year old,
- 36:10don't get so obsessed about the ageing process.
- 36:12Remember what I did to myself AT35I truly deform myself for
- 36:17trying to be proactive. Understand that you need to
- 36:20invest on the quality of your skin.
- 36:23Don't get a sound damage when you enter 40's the architecture
- 36:27changes a little deeper for is the fat content on your face.
- 36:31Well we have things like renewable and all the products
- 36:35that will allow your face to remember how to make fat again.
- 36:39And when you enter 50 that's what the bone is start to
- 36:43disintegrate on your face. So it start doing sculpture on
- 36:47your bone. So you bone those disintegrate
- 36:50so easily so you can maintain the ratios and proportion of a
- 36:56young looking face even to use six and seven decade like chair.
- 37:01So that's the point in terms of what want people to know.
- 37:06And the other thing is what I tell my patients in my practice,
- 37:09what I'm going to do myself. I want every especially woman
- 37:14out there to hear this and take it heart.
- 37:18The 6th decade is such an important decade because with
- 37:21everything that I mentioned that we can do at 60, you can look on
- 37:26your 40s and when you look young, you do young things.
- 37:29And if you don't young things, you're going to stay healthy on
- 37:33your seventies, 80s, and 90s. But please listen to this and
- 37:37follow my lead. 6th decade, when you enter the 60s, please be a
- 37:43little bit more selfish with your time.
- 37:46Say a little nose go and do everything you didn't do because
- 37:51you were poor like me, because you were a mom, because you were
- 37:56busy trying to have a career. Because I studied decades in my
- 38:01practice I see what every decade look like.
- 38:04And 70s come with a lot of losses.
- 38:07Even though it'll be your loss but your friends 1 by 1 is time
- 38:11disappearing. They started getting sick
- 38:14yourself. If you're lucky enough to have
- 38:17your parents alive, they become you sick children, and it adds a
- 38:21whole dimension of stress that you didn't plan for.
- 38:25So make sure that on your 60s, you do you.
- 38:31Be the best version of yourself because you have those 10 years
- 38:35to do everything that you want to do.
- 38:38Don't put it off for later. That's excellent advice,
- 38:42excellent advice. I think you're right.
- 38:44We live for other people our whole lives.
- 38:46So if you're right to take that decade and just focus on
- 38:49yourself. So Doctor Shino, I think so many
- 38:52people who are listening, our listeners, our viewers would
- 38:56love and they will be dying to get on your schedule after
- 38:58listening to this. So are you currently accepting
- 39:01new patients? And what does that process look
- 39:03like if somebody on our somebody that's listening right now would
- 39:06love to have an appointment with you?
- 39:09Well, I'm going to make a lot of people happy because for the
- 39:11last nine years I wasn't taking new patients because my travel
- 39:15schedule, all the congresses, I'm in charge of congresses in
- 39:20Europe to the I'm the director. So I pretty busy.
- 39:24But this year I decided to come down and not travel so much
- 39:31internationally. Because of that, I opened my
- 39:34schedule, but it's open for bio regulative techniques.
- 39:38My talent with his hands and what I have here is better spent
- 39:43for people that want to slow down the aging of the bone, the
- 39:47people that want to bring the fat on their face, for people
- 39:51that want to increase the Contra collagen, elastic fibers,
- 39:55everything bioregilative. My time is not well spent.
- 39:59If somebody wants to come and see me for Botox, there's other
- 40:02doctors here that they can do Botox.
- 40:03You can do Botox anywhere. If you want fillers, there's so
- 40:07many. Other places where you can get
- 40:09fillers, including here, I have three different providers that
- 40:13also do fillers. My time is better spent for
- 40:17people that want to buy or regenerate their own tissue.
- 40:21So if you want to come to a practice and see me because I
- 40:26feel like maybe next year I'm going to start traveling.
- 40:29So this may last maybe one more year or six more months.
- 40:32I don't know. It all depends on how I feel.
- 40:35But if you are interested on biorelative techniques, they can
- 40:40call the practice and ask for my consultant.
- 40:44Her name is Don or you can send her an e-mail to
- 40:47don@chinovator.com and you know she will ask you to send photos
- 40:54and ask what you would like me to do.
- 40:56But mainly I'm only seeing patients for biorelative
- 41:00techniques. OK.
- 41:02Well, then they know how to get in touch with you.
- 41:04So thank you for sharing that. And I'm planning to come and
- 41:07make a visit to your clinic and we can film all of that for the
- 41:10show as well. It sounds like a great place to
- 41:13be. And I just wanted to thank you
- 41:15for being on our show today. You've been an incredible guest
- 41:18and very motivating and fills up our hearts to listen to how you
- 41:22talk. So thank you so much for your
- 41:24time. Thank you.
- 41:26And it's being an honor or privilege to be on your podcast.
- 41:29Absolutely. Thanks Doctor Sheeno, and thanks
- 41:33for joining the Doctor Randy show.
- 41:36Doctor Randy Boyett holds a PhD and is a recognized leader in
- 41:39the aesthetics and medical industry.
- 41:41She is not a licensed medical doctor.
- 41:44All commentary and product recommendations are based on
- 41:47industry expertise and are provided for informational
- 41:50purposes only.