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142. [Georgia] Pam Crisler · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to bless This Mess on the True
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  Speaker 1: Ground podcast. Don't care here? What's tusa? Hay Stu? Right,
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  Speaker 1: all right, we are back and this week we are
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  Speaker 1: going to Georgia. We were also back in the closet,
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  Speaker 1: and not the same way stew was in nineteen eighty three. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I'm kidding. We are back in the closet. If anybody's
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  Speaker 1: been around since the beginning of time, they remember that.
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  Speaker 1: We used to record in our closet in our old house.
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  Speaker 1: This was two houses ago and there was no vent
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  Speaker 1: or anything in there, so we used to just get
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  Speaker 1: like we would just sweat. Yes, it was miserable and
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  Speaker 1: we were drinking quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: So we had no children to know, no children.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're back in the closet because, as we
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  Speaker 1: mentioned last week, Stu had eye sur eye surgery, his
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  Speaker 1: retina was detached, so that has been reattached with I
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  Speaker 1: believe duct tape. That's the Midland special. So it has
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  Speaker 1: been reattached. So we are we are day late on this.
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  Speaker 1: But we also my father in law is here and
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  Speaker 1: Stu's dead anyway, so obviously no one knows we do this,
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  Speaker 1: so we have to record sneakily in the closet because
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  Speaker 1: the guest bedroom where he's sleeping is on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the wall of the office where we normally record.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a D. R. Horton special. The walls
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  Speaker 1: are paper thin. People, we can hear. You can hear everything.
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  Speaker 1: Like the baby's on the other side of this wall
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  Speaker 1: and she is still awake, but she's just chit chatting
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  Speaker 1: with herself. She's just yeah, yeah, yeah in there, so
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  Speaker 1: you might hear a couple baby, but it's we gotta
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  Speaker 1: keep on moving because I gotta I gotta get to beds.
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  Speaker 2: Do I gotta get to bed too? I gotta heal.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, STU looks like a pirate.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want want to take the eye patch off?
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  Speaker 1: No? I can't even look at him without the eye
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  Speaker 1: patch on because his eye is so red. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. I'm getting my eyes are short
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  Speaker 1: in the water. So just like looking I'm sure most
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  Speaker 1: people like this. If you look at somebody that has
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  Speaker 1: like eye problems, like a runny eye, it just makes
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  Speaker 1: your eyes water. Well, that's how looking at him is.
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  Speaker 1: So I got him an eye patch.
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  Speaker 2: Are and so give me some booty.
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  Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna say that anyways, apologies in advance.
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  Speaker 1: The setup is a little wonky in here, as is
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  Speaker 1: Stu's eye so you might hear some chords hitting the
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  Speaker 1: microphone thing. So we're gonna try not to have that happen.
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  Speaker 1: But we don't have our table, we don't have our
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  Speaker 1: normal thing. I mean, our normal setup isn't great, but.
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  Speaker 2: This one is really not great.
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  Speaker 1: It's really not good. If you can picture this stew
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  Speaker 1: in an eye patch, sitting in a what are these
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  Speaker 1: chairs chairs, fold out chairs like you take to like
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  Speaker 1: a soccer match or like a kid's sporting event or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Stu it, I was going to go
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  Speaker 2: to a soccer match in this.
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  Speaker 1: House, maybe two dy one day. He certainly can't kick
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  Speaker 1: a ball. He might be because I found out there's
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  Speaker 1: indoor soccer at the YMCA, and that's right up my alley.
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  Speaker 1: It's indoors.
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  Speaker 2: No shit, it's hot.
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  Speaker 1: Are so picture this who he's sitting there with his
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  Speaker 1: eye patch in a fold out raging Cajun chair with
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  Speaker 1: a microphone between his legs.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we're calling it now. I kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Stepped into that one, all right. So that is the setup.
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  Speaker 1: That is what's going on. We are hoping to have
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  Speaker 1: another episode next week as well, just timing and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But now that his eyes should be better, he just
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  Speaker 1: had the surgery Monday, So anything else going on with
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  Speaker 1: the stew. Now I'm listening to a podcast recommendation, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the Titanic Ship of Dreams. Very interesting. I'm learning so
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  Speaker 1: much about the Titanic, Stew.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you knew everything there was to know about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was really into the Titanic back in
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  Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety seven when the movie Titanic came out,
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  Speaker 1: and so I got real invested in it, into getting
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  Speaker 1: Titanic books. My mom took me to Blockbuster on whenever
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  Speaker 1: the video tape, the VA show tape was released. I
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  Speaker 1: still have all of that stuff. But I got real
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  Speaker 1: into the Titanic back then, and I'm rediscovering my love
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  Speaker 1: of the Titanic, and I'm learning all sorts of new things.
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  Speaker 2: Because you're a sick motherfucker.
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  Speaker 1: Why oh no, We're into Like on the podcast episode,
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  Speaker 1: we just got done with how everybody died and.
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  Speaker 2: Then by drownd spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 1: Well there was It's no they were wearing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them were wearing cork life fest so they actually
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  Speaker 1: dive from hypothermia.
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  Speaker 2: It's do yes, okay, drowning, And yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't all die like Jack Dawson, just you know,
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  Speaker 1: because Rose wouldn't make room for him on that on
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  Speaker 1: that piece of wood.
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  Speaker 2: And then she never sold the diamond to help her family.
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  Speaker 1: I know, don't even Yeah, Okay, back then I was
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  Speaker 1: really into that movie. But when you now as an adult, look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what a bitch her granddaughter hold her ass
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  Speaker 1: out to that damn boat with that one guy ogling
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  Speaker 1: her and gonna throw that that freaking diamond in the
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  Speaker 1: ocean whenever she could have set her her granddaughter up
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  Speaker 1: for life. And that poor guy been searching his whole
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  Speaker 1: life for this and everything, and this bitch just throws
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  Speaker 1: it overboard and then goes to sleep and dies.
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  Speaker 2: Two worst villains and Rose and Jenny from Gufora's Gump.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well we can argue on that one later, but
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  Speaker 1: now she's terrible anyway, So highly recommend that podcast. What's dord?
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  Speaker 1: What do you?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: Did your eyes? Saying something over there?
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  Speaker 2: If you don't stop with messing with me, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to take this eye patch off for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Patreon, we appreciate we got a couple
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  Speaker 1: of new Patreons. We really appreciate you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Bagging you shall receive yes reviews.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys are bearing Alice down, although she
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  Speaker 1: did make it to the Facebook page and wrote a
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  Speaker 1: review there as well about how terrible we are. So
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  Speaker 1: it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Now we know what Alice looks like.
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  Speaker 1: I know, why would you why I write a terrible
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  Speaker 1: review on Facebook where you can, like, like, everyone can
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  Speaker 1: see everything about you. I'm not that brave, but apparently
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  Speaker 1: she she thinks we're terrible enough to risk it, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Risk it for the biscuit, So well, we're not that
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  Speaker 2: petty to go.
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  Speaker 1: No, I did click on her stuff. I clicked on
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  Speaker 1: her thing, and she shared it to her Facebook page
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  Speaker 1: like you can see it because she doesn't have anything
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  Speaker 1: set to private, so she shared her review of us
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  Speaker 1: on our Nobody liked it, though, so we're fine. Oh Alice,
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  Speaker 1: all right, It wouldn't be crazy if she was still
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  Speaker 1: listening just to see how terrible we are.
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  Speaker 2: But see if we talked about her, Yeah, and we have.
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  Speaker 2: She lives in our heads.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and she has it. She's just two episodes now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, some of the worst reviews we talk about for long.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's because I have to talk about them
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  Speaker 1: so my feelings don't get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we haven't had one this bad in a while, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one star hasn't happened in a while. And also
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  Speaker 1: I did. What happened was I was going to correct
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  Speaker 1: the ads, like the placement, like the one review said
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  Speaker 1: last time, but I've said it to auto release, and
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  Speaker 1: then I forgot to go back and fix it. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna probably not gonna remember this time either,
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  Speaker 1: but I will remember one day to go fix the
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  Speaker 1: placement of the ads. All right, Facebook, Instagram, appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: and buy us a coffee, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: So with all that.
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  Speaker 1: Nonsense that I do, no further ado, Yes, let's get
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  Speaker 1: into this week's case out of Georgia, all right. Pamela Chrysler,
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  Speaker 1: who went by Pam, was born March sixteenth, nineteen fifty three,
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  Speaker 1: in Georgia to Seaborn and Lois Chrysler.
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  Speaker 2: I like that, Seaborn. Can we have another boy? Nam him? Seaborn? No,
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  Speaker 2: why not?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not not after ill, just what I've listened to
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  Speaker 1: about the Titanic. We're not putting sea in anything. Pam
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  Speaker 1: was described.
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  Speaker 2: What I was gonna make a seaman joke.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's not the time or nor the place, Stuart,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Pam was described as a caring person and
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  Speaker 1: she was always ready to help family and friends. She
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  Speaker 1: even took in her nephew after he graduated college and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of became a mentor to him and just
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  Speaker 1: really helped him out. So that was just her personality
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  Speaker 1: was to help people. Pam worked as a counselor in
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  Speaker 1: substance abuse and mental health. Now. She worked hard to
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  Speaker 1: build up her practice in a small town in Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Her patients loved her so much that when she decided
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  Speaker 1: to move to the big town of Athens, Georgia, she
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  Speaker 1: was trying to grow her business and just expand. Some
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  Speaker 1: of her patients even came with her, driving one to
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  Speaker 1: two hours just to come still be seen by Pam.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was a loyal clientele.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll talk about it a little bit later because
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  Speaker 1: I did read an article Pam did. Maybe didn't have
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  Speaker 1: it quite together that much, but anyways, we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: it when the time comes. Not to say anything bad
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  Speaker 1: about the victims, Alice, but just we got to paint
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  Speaker 1: the picture as it is, as it is supposed to be.
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  Speaker 2: Just laugh about it.
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  Speaker 1: Stewart's shut up.
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  Speaker 2: On August twenty first, two thousand and two, the manager
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  Speaker 2: at an apartment complex started receiving complaints about a bad
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  Speaker 2: odor coming from an apartment. The manager went to check
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  Speaker 2: out what could be causing the smell.
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  Speaker 1: Don't ever investigate, guys, just.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you got to if you're the apartment manager.
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  Speaker 1: I try to investigate any odors coming from Stuart.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I try not to with you, but you Dutch Oven.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that is so not even true, and you are
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  Speaker 1: so offensive right now, that is not even remotely true.
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  Speaker 1: I don't do such things.
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  Speaker 2: He knocks, but no one answers, so he enters the apartment.
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  Speaker 2: Inside the apartment, lying on the bedroom floor was the
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  Speaker 2: body of a woman, with a sheet covering her partially.
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  Speaker 2: The manager calls nine to one one and police arrive
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  Speaker 2: on the scene. They can guess by the decom composition,
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  Speaker 2: hard word, and odor that the woman had been dead
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  Speaker 2: for anywhere between three to five days. Near the body,
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  Speaker 2: they find a large amount of blood. They also find
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  Speaker 2: blood spatter on the walls and carpet. The crime scene
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  Speaker 2: looked like the victim died in a very brutal way,
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  Speaker 2: and it was clearly not a person who died from
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  Speaker 2: natural causes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because you got to think about that. If
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  Speaker 1: you find I'm sure the manager has, if he's been
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  Speaker 1: doing this for long enough, you're going to come across
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  Speaker 1: someone who possibly died naturally in their apartment and didn't
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  Speaker 1: have anybody around to come check on them, and then
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  Speaker 1: they find it. This was clearly not that type of thing,
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  Speaker 1: so they had to get the homicide unit in there.
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  Speaker 2: The woman was wearing underwear and her clothes were pushed
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  Speaker 2: up near her head. There were no signs of forced entry. However,
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  Speaker 2: the backsliding glass door was unlocked. There was no evidence
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  Speaker 2: of any items being stolen. Based on the state of undress,
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  Speaker 2: sexual assault would likely be the motive. The bedroom was
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  Speaker 2: in disarray where she had fought. The attacker had most
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  Speaker 2: likely surprised her or he came upon her while she
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  Speaker 2: was sleeping. They're guessing that he got in the house
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  Speaker 2: somehow and she was not aware. So it wasn't like
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  Speaker 2: they didn't think it was somebody she knew. No murder
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  Speaker 2: weapon was found on the scene, and autopsy would later
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  Speaker 2: find that she had been stabbed twenty times. However, they
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  Speaker 2: did not find any signs of rape, which seemed to
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  Speaker 2: indicate another mon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of was confusing for them because they
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  Speaker 1: just looking at it. They would that's where they thought
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  Speaker 1: it was going, and then now there's nothing stolen, there's
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  Speaker 1: no signs of rape, and now this woman is just stabbing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've been murdered in her apartment, So that could point
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  Speaker 1: to a personal matter though, for because that is overkilled
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  Speaker 1: twenty times, stabbing someone and nothing being stolen.
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  Speaker 2: They recovered any fingerprints they could and DNA samples from
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  Speaker 2: the apartment. There was a random blood drop on a
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  Speaker 2: newspaper that they believed would have come from the killer
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  Speaker 2: due to its positioning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were they didn't know if it came
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  Speaker 1: from the killer or there was blood from her that
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  Speaker 1: dropped on it, But it was on a newspaper that
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  Speaker 1: was laying on a table outside of the area where
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  Speaker 1: she was murdered, so it obviously was not her that
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  Speaker 1: did it. So they're hoping this is actually a blood
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  Speaker 1: drop from the killer so they can get a DNA profile.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were basically hoping it cut himself during.
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  Speaker 1: That during the struggle. Yeah, now police are a little
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  Speaker 1: confused on the identity of the victim because the apartment
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  Speaker 1: was actually not least to a woman at all. It
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  Speaker 1: was actually least to an unmarried man named Charles Elam.
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  Speaker 1: Now police need now need to track down this Charles
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  Speaker 1: and ask him why why is there a dead woman
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  Speaker 1: in your apartment? This is this isn't good, dude, You
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  Speaker 1: need to explain yourself. So police began asking around the
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  Speaker 1: neighbors who said that Charles was a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: recluse and he didn't seem to interact with you know, anybody,
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  Speaker 1: any neighbors or anything much. So please start blasting his
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  Speaker 1: picture all over town. And they are able to track
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  Speaker 1: him down after a family member called him and told
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  Speaker 1: him that the police were looking for Like, hey, bro, dude, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you need to get they're looking for you.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Charles was actually in Florida at the time working a
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  Speaker 1: construction job. Now, when he found out that there was
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  Speaker 1: a woman found in his apartment dead, he was actually
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  Speaker 1: they said, he was very upset. He was able to
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  Speaker 1: provide an idea of the woman and it was Pam Chrysler.
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  Speaker 2: Now, obviously police are wondering how Charles ended up with
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  Speaker 2: Pam in his apartment and she's deceased. He told them
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  Speaker 2: he had recently befriended her and allowed her to stay
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  Speaker 2: in his apartment because he was going to be out
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  Speaker 2: of town in Florida for an extended period of time
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  Speaker 2: working his construction job. He told them he was not
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  Speaker 2: romantically involved and it was just a simple thing where
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  Speaker 2: he had met her and she needed somewhere to stay
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  Speaker 2: short term, and she could basically watch his apartment for him,
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  Speaker 2: do some house sitting.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he was doing illegal subletting. Probably, Yes, This is
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  Speaker 1: where I was going to bring in something about Pam.
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  Speaker 1: And isn't the name of a podcast something about Pam?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea. There's three and a half million podcasts,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm quite.
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  Speaker 1: Sure there's probably one called something about Pam. So Pam.
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  Speaker 1: They did write in a newspaper article that she I
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  Speaker 1: think the reason that she's staying at this random guy's
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  Speaker 1: house or apartment is because she had a previous landlord
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  Speaker 1: said that she owed twenty one two and forty five
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  Speaker 1: dollars in back rent and had been evictor or like
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  Speaker 1: she skipped out on it, So I think that's probably
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  Speaker 1: why she had to get this kind of situation when
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  Speaker 1: she moved.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody rented. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then also in that article they stated that Pam
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  Speaker 1: was did dabble in scientology and like astrological readings, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like psychic readings. So she was a bit of.
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  Speaker 2: A free spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a free spirit. She had she didn't.
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  Speaker 1: She can't have the man holding her down with these
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  Speaker 1: stupid rent and when she's got you know, fortunes to
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  Speaker 1: tell she charged one hundred dollars. Yes, yeah, the guy
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  Speaker 1: said that he paid one hundred dollars for her to
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  Speaker 1: read his signs.
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  Speaker 2: Or whatever astrological chart, yes or whatever. Yees. So she's
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  Speaker 2: a bit of this she was doing.
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  Speaker 1: She's a bit of a free free spirit in that
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  Speaker 1: regards that could not rent an apartment.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: It happens to the best of us.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, you got a bad enough credit score, she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even have to have it.
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  Speaker 1: We got you, Pam, We know things happened.
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  Speaker 2: Charles said that he would call and talk to Pam
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  Speaker 2: every few days, but she had stopped taking his calls.
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  Speaker 2: The last time he spoke to her was August seventeenth,
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  Speaker 2: at around eleven pm. This does fall into the timeline
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  Speaker 2: of how long they thought she had been dead. He
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  Speaker 2: also told police an interesting tidbit about how she would
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  Speaker 2: sleep with the sliding glass door open to stay comfortable
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  Speaker 2: at night. Police found this odd that he mentioned this
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  Speaker 2: specific detail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, without them trauding him, and he and they knew
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  Speaker 1: the sliding glass door was unlocked, and then he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about it. But that means that the home, So it
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: was about it was August in Georgia, so high humidity
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties, probably even at nighttime. So this was
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  Speaker 1: and I guess she probably he probably told her. She
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  Speaker 1: he said that he didn't want her to be uncomfortable,
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  Speaker 1: but he, I mean, he's not going to pay for
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  Speaker 1: her to ac herself, you know, all day long, because
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  Speaker 1: that's expensive. So she probably had to keep the electure,
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  Speaker 1: the like utility bills down.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine August, Georgia mosquitoes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, police also didn't help with the decomposition of the
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  Speaker 1: body as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, know all that heat coming in. Police asked him
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  Speaker 2: why he had not contacted the manager when he had
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: not heard from Pam in almost a week, and he
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: didn't really have any answers for that. They also found
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: that he had not been in Florida the whole time.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: People had seen him back in Georgia when he said
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: he was gone. Charles denied any involvement, but police needed
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: to check into the exact time he was in Florida.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: They were able to verify through multiple people that he
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: had been out of town when Pam when they think
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Pam was killed.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's not the most reliable person in terms
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: of saying but at that specific time he wasn't there,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't him just saying I was out of
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: town this whole time. They're like, no, you weren't. Also,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: this is a strange situation, strange, strange fellas, strange situation
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that this you know, forty something year old woman is
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: now just crashing at this guy's apartment that she doesn't
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: really know and they're not romantically involved or anything. Just
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: happened to come. They didn't say how they met or
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: anything like that, but it's just it isn't it's a
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: bit of an odd situation. Now police are back to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: square one with no suspects, no hard evidence to point
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: them in the right direction, and when speaking to Pam's
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: family and friends. They couldn't identify anyone that would want
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to hurt Pam. Yes, she was quirky, but she didn't
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: have any enemies. She didn't have any like love interest
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that had gone wrong or anything like that. Now, Charles,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: he was in his apartment. After he got back into
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: his apartment and everything like that, he notices that there's
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a large wetvac that was missing because he's in construction,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: so he noticed that this this wetvac was missing out
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: of the closet and so he let police know. Well,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Charles was also kind of he was a little bit
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: of a.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, he was even asking about getting the blood he
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: whenever the police were done in the apartment, he's left
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: with this giant bloodstain. He was even asking around how
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: he could get it tested and all this stuff. Like
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: he was turned to a little amateur detective on him.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So he takes matters into his own hands, and you
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: know what, this was helpful, though he didn't end up helping.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So he starts asking neighbors around about Pam because he's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: just at his apartment. So now he's got all the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: time in the world go chit chat with everybody so,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and he's speaking to a neighbor named Adrian, and he
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: found that she recalled seeing a guy pulling a shop
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: back out of the apartment, and she didn't actually when
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: police had had spoken to all the neighbors, but she
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: didn't remember this until Charles was making small talk with
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: her and said, yeah, the shopback's missing. And she's like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I forgot that this happened because it
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: was around uh, it was around two o'clock in the morning,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and it was that night and she's just found it
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: very very odd and everything that. But of course she
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna open the door. But she said she actually
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: cracked a coke while she was looking out the peopole
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and the guy that had the shopback that was coming
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: down the hall or whatever, looks up at the door
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and so she like freezes because she's she can just
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: feel him watching her door there. Yes, so he's aware
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: that someone is on the other side that door, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: she's just in full panic mode and everything. But I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: don't understand why she didn't. Maybe she was like drinking,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it was two am.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was a coke that she was putting in
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: her Jamison.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, and so she didn't open the door or
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: anything like that, and she kind of just forgot about
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it until Charles brought this up. So she talks to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: police and she describes him as a young African American
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: male and it gives them a description.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, Adrianne was able to provide a sketch to police.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: They sent it out to the public. They start receiving tips,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: but nothing really panned out. They couldn't find the individual.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: They looked into Pam's clientele, since she worked with mental
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: health and substance abuse clients. Maybe someone got angry, but
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: they couldn't find any connection to any people she worked with, and.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: They couldn't find anybody that matched this description in her
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: clientele list that looked like the sketch.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Now, police did have the drop of blood on the newspaper.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: It did not match Pam. It did not match Charles.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: That was just another feather in Charles captain that he's hazy.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: He didn't do it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: No. Police felt that if they could find the person
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that left that drop of blood, they would find Pam's killer.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: They logged that DNA profile into the code of database,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: but they were unable to find a match. After looking
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: at all angles, the case became cold for several years.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, and by several we mean fifteen. Yes, it went
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: They just had they had talked to everybody in the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: apartment complex. And it's just it's such a strange crime
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: because there was no clear motive that they could find.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: They can't find anybody that hates Pam. They can't find
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: any client that's like obsessed with her, like angry. There's
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: no sexual component to it. There's no burglary besides the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: shop back, which is weird. I don't know what somebody
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: wants with the shop back, you know, of all the things,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Pam probably didn't have a lot of money
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: on her if she's like having to live in this apartment,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: so maybe that.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Or maybe she does because she's not paying rent.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but none of that stuff was missing. But also
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they would have a hard time knowing I was thinking
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: about this, I was thinking they'd have a hard time
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: knowing what was missing though, because this Charles guy didn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: really know Pam. He didn't know what she had, He
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: didn't know how much money she had in her wallet
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: or anything that, so there could have been some component
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of theft. Theft but there's no way to verify that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: because the only person that knew what Pam had was Pam,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and she's she's gone.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So this brings us all the way to November of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. What were we doing in November twenty seventeen'stue?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: What were we doing? Oh, we were probably starting this podcast.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Well we get it in Gine.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Of twenty seventeen. Yeah, you know what I would really
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: like to do is go back and redo the Girl
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Scout Murders, because that was our first episode.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Why do we got to redo it? It was golden.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: No, it was terrible. I even took it down. Nobody
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: could't even get no one. It's not even on the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: list like episode one. I mean, I'm ashamed of most
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of the early episodes, but I feel like we were
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: doing this in twenty seventeen. We were. Anyways, I'd love
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: to go back and do the Girl Scout Murders. Now
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: that we're a little bit more, we've got a better
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: audio situation. I'll tell you what, if we go back
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and do the Girl Scout Murders again.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Why don't we just pay somebody to clean it up?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: No, if we go back and do the Girl Scout
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: murders again. I will post both Girl Scout murders at
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the same time because the problem is now, if I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: add that episode one, reput it back out there, it
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: triggers on everybody's stuff again. So then it notifies them
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that there's a new episode.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Now everybody's going to go back and listen to it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: So no, I shouldn't have Steward. There's a lot of
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: things I shouldn't have done.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's on Spotify. I don't think there's anything
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: you can do about that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: No, it was never transferred over no somewhere.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: It's no, it's not. No, it's not I'm telling.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: You it's not. But whatever, No, because I took it
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: off of the original pod when we used pod Bean,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I took it off of that one, and so they
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have when we moved to uh what are we
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: on now? Spreaker. When they moved a Spreaker, they did
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: not transfer. They only transferred what was published. So no,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and they put it on Spotify and all that stuff. Anyways,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So I think if we do the Girl Scout, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: got to rewrite it though, because I don't even know
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: where I can't even find what I wrote. I'm going
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to have to redo the whole thing, which I can
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: do that, but I'm just telling you, guys, if I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: do this, you cannot say anything bad about whatever comes
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: out of our mouths in the first if you re
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: listen to it now.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: They can.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: No, they can't.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: And I'm asking them this long won't say nothing.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm begging you please bring that one back. Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: So anyways, in two thousand, November twenty seventeen, we were
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: doing this podcast.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Well, well you actually just got back from coast to recordentally.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Uh oh we just got married. Oh yeah in October. Okay, yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Wow, Well we've been together a long time. We've been
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: together fifteen years. So here we are fifteen years later.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: There's it's just been a cold case. There's nothing really
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: they can even do about it. They've got this, they've
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: got it in codis and everything like that, but there's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: no hits or anything. So police they finally, after all
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: these years, they finally get this break though, because it
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: is in kodis, so they're constantly compared. I guess the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: system constantly is just all that. Like, they don't have
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to redo anything. They don't have to push enter or anything.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I guess it's just constantly looking for unidentified profiles and
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: matching it with new profiles that come in. I think,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: if somebody worked for the FBI out there, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: let us know. So the DNA profile hit on a
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: match in the FBI database, and it came back to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: a thirty three year old male named Abdis Laroche.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting I knew a potolemy Sexton, which
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and in a marvelous Napoleon, But potolemy Sexton.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting name. Police are shocked
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to find because he's only thirty three now it's been
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: fifteen years. They're shocked to find that this wasn't eighteen
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: year old that murdered Pam. I mean, you just it's like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that's like young to be that brutal and stuff like that,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Times.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they look into his background and they found
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that he actually lived about a half mile from the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: apartment complex at that time where Pam was staying. Now,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: at the time of the murder, he never came up
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: as a suspect despite matching the description from the neighbor.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: So they did go around and look for anyone in
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that vicinity that matched that description, but they don't know why.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: But he never he never came up. But I don't
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: know if he was on the actual they found out
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: he was living there, but he wasn't like the like
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the on the lease of the apartment, you know, so
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: they may have just missed even interviewing him or anything
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Well, he was a half mile away, and there's plenty
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: of houses between, Yeah, the crime scene and where he lived.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's there was From what they showed, it
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: looked like there was a lot of apartments in that area,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: so there would have been a lot of people to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: to talk to. Now even more surprising is that Abdis
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: had never been arrested for a violent crime. His DNA
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: ironically like he I mean, he nothing on his history
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: is violent. He actually ended up in Codis due to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a parole violation?
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Codis? Why did I do that? Right? Why does that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden look weird?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It is Codis, right, I believe.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So, Okay, it started looking like COVID to me, so
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: threw me off a little bit, all right, So he
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: ends up Codis due to a parole of violation. Now
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: he was paroled after being arrested and charged. Was selling
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: bootleg DVDs.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Come on, abdus, Yeah, bootleg DVDs in twenty seventeen. Come on,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: come on, Craig, Come on, Craig.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Anyways, this was I mean, this was twenty seventeen. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: feel like people had moved on from DVDs, not one
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: hundred percent like they have now.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: But where's the money in bootleg DVDs? Then you're buying
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: them five dollars in the Walmart discount at this time,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: not to.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Mention, although me and Stu have have learned, I mean,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: we've realized that this was all a scam. They told
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: us to get rid of our DVDs, and they told
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: us how easy it would be to stream everything. Yes,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and now you need and to get rid of your
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: your your like cable and get rid of all this stuff.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, we have to have
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: like ten apps to find out where the movie is
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and who has the rights to it. And so you
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you got, We got rid of all of our DVDs,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: and now here we are having to rent a three ninety.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Nine movie or purchase it for twelve ninety nine yes, yeah,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: are the same thing. I went from cassette tapes, records, cassettes,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: dav D rcades and now I can stream my music
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: if I pay a subscription. Yes, I'm very upset about
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: that as well.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And they've gone all the way back to records anyways,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: which was from your time, wow, Grandpa. All right, So
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: he's out there selling bootleg DVDs. He gets arrested, he
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: gets charged, he gets paroled, and then on probation he
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: is caught with myth and that is actually how he
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: ended up in the code's database, not because he did
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: something violent, or at least that hasn't got caught doing
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: something violent.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: That's methed up.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Yep, that is myth.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I got to throw it out there.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: To further confirm that it was abdist They compared his
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: high school photo to the sketch and it was strikingly close.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: The girl had gotten it right on the money with
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the description in the sketch. Now please, they bring abdists
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in and interview him, and as soon as they mean
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: like he doesn't know what he's I mean, he's broke proles,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: so he's he's been back in jail. He they mentioned
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Pam and they mentioned the murder, and he gets extremely nervous,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: like stuttering and everything just just all of a sudden,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: his whole demeanor change. He stated, they're asking, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: did you do this? He denies any involvement and everything
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like that, and so then they're like, Okay, let's hit
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: him with the hard facts, which is we found your
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: DNA in here, blah blah blah. And he says that
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: he was actually hired to remove trash from the apartment.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: But this did not make sense to police at all,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Like Pam didn't. Pam didn't have hardly any belongings to
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: begin with, She wasn't even paying for electric didn't want
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to pay for electricity, so she certainly wasn't going to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: pay someone to come in and take trash out. He
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: did not work for the apartment complex, like, there's no
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: reason why he would be in there removing trash.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: And Charles would have known who stole his wetback had
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that been the case, had he hired.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Him hired someone to take out take trash out, then
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: he would have been like, oh, yeah, that guy, and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: he would have mentioned, you know, there was a guy
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: coming to take trash and he stole my wet back
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and killed Pam. So none of this is making any sense.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So they, I mean, they know that he is completely lying,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and as he's continuing just to talk and talk and talk,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: he should have just asked for a lawyer, but he
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: continues to talk, and he starts giving out details that
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: only the police would know and the killer would know
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: because he knew where the body was. He knew all
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: of this information. And the final nail in his coffin
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: was did I say that right? The final nail in
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the coffin in.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: His coffin, Yes, but he's not really dead, so.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: No, he's not. The final nil in the coffin against
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Abdis is that a friend of his called in and
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: said that Abdis told him all about this murder, gave
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: him all all of this information. He's told him that
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Abdis was planning to rob Pam, but she woke up
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and so he killed her. And now what's crazy is
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the friend that that called in was a child at
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the time. This was he he told him about it
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. He was in middle school. So this guy,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: this grown ass man, is telling this middle school yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: how he killed this woman. And so at the time,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: this kid's in middle school. He doesn't know to believe him.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: He just kind of thinks he's just like saying some
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: shit or what. Yeah, and so he didn't really believe him.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: But then whenever all of this comes out, he's like,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: oh my god, because he probably remembered that story because
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it was probably pretty shock shocking to a middle school
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: or that someone is telling this. And so now he's calling,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: He's like, I know he did it because he said
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: he told me all about it. I just thought he
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: was just making things up at the time, because apparently
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: ab just was a bit of a aator. Yes, he
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he you know, would exaggerate things, exaggerate things.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: He would uh, what is the wordbellish?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Embellish, that's the one. He would say, little lies and
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: things like that. So he wasn't sure. He wasn't sure
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: if to believe him or not. But then now it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: they have the recording him saying he definitely did this.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: In May of twenty eighteen, Abdist was arrested and charged
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: with Pam's murder. However, the prosecution was concerned about getting
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: a guilty verdict, so they offered a plea deal. He
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: played guilty too involuntary manslaughter and burglary. He was sentenced
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: to forty years.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just I think they just didn't want a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: chance somebody feeling sorry for him because he was eighteen
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: at the time. You know, you never know, you never know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and it's all it's not all circumstantial. But they don't
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: really know one hundred percent why he did it. Things
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: are odd about it, but they did.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Slimy little defense attorney that said, yeah, she was gonna
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: have consensual section. That's why he was there and they
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: don't need anything. But she attacked him and he defended himself.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, kind of like last week's episode whenever they tried
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to come up with that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: And then I think that part probably part of it
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: was because he was eighteen at the time. They just
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: didn't want someone saying, oh, well he.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Was young, he just a kid. Just made a mistake.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they made when he stabbed her. Yeah, so
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: he's a boy anyway. That's what ted I think.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Is that what?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: No, that's not what. That's the thing. I've seen that
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: meme where it's like the lady, the old lady sitting
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: on the wet with the black cat and it's like
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a good boy, Yes, you got a little jinky cat
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: on the bed with her. All right, well that is
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: our case for this week. STU, do you have a
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: yell need Jesus?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I always have a ye Jesus.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: All right, Well he's actually looking that up because locking
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: it up. Yes, I don't need to look nothing up
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: because we know he doesn't have.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: It round to go.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you guys some fun facts about
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the Titanic.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: What I don't want to hear that.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: So one of the things that they talk about is
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: one of the popular, you know, things about the Titanic
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: is that they did not have enough lifeboats to haul
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: all the people that were on the ship off. And
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: while that is technically true, they actually had four more
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: lifeboats than were required by British regulations. They had twenty lifeboats.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: They had sixteen how they described it, they were like
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: full lifeboats, and then they had four extra that were
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: like stowaway lifeboats. So they actually had four more than
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: were required by law. And then also one of the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: things about and you say, well, why would they only
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: require you to have like half as many as there
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: are people on the ship, and it's they did it
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: by tonnage, so you had to have lifeboats per tonnage,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and so they the laws would eventually catch up with
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: it with everything. But you know, as laws are, they
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: usually lag behind technology and improvements on things, because they
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: didn't expect this many people to be able to fit
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: on a ship, you know, and so by the tonnage,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: they would have had, you know, not plenty of lifeboats,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: but they would have had enough to This is the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: other point not to they're not like lifeboats like we
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: think about today. So when you go on a cruise
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: ship or anything like that, there's lifeboats there and they
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you know, they a bunch of people get in it,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and they're meant for you to go out on to
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: sea and be safe until help can come. Well, lifeboats
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: back in the back then were not meant to like
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: they are today, where you could like stay in them
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: for a couple of days or something like that. Lifeboats
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: back then there was so many ships going across the ocean.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It was almost like highway traffic, like there was always
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: going to be a ship, you know, close by, so
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the and they never expected these these ships to sink
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: this fast. So the lifeboats were actually just meant to
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: ferry you from the ship that's sinking to the rescue
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the ship nearby, because there's always tons of ships out there,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and then come back and pick up more people. So
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that was the whole point of it. So while and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: they now they did, the guy that came into the
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: safety inspections did recommend a few more lifeboats, but technically
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they did. I'm not making excuses for the people. I'm
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: just telling I'm just telling the facts. I'm just telling
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the facts, just the facts about how they actually had
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: enough lifeboats per the regulations. And at the time, what
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: was common was that these lifeboats would just ferry the
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: people and then come back and pick up more people.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And also it wouldn't have mattered the ship sank so quickly,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: it would not have mattered. If they had all the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: lifeboats that they needed for everybody, they would have never
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: been able to get them off of the ship in time. Anyways, However,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: they did send plenty of ship, plenty of lifeboats out
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that weren't full. They were sending them out so they
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: did like women and children first, but if there weren't
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: enough women and children, they were actually telling like if
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: you were a teenage boy like thirteen and older, you
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: were considered a man, and so they would like tell
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you you can't get on the lifeboat. And the first
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: lifeboat was the richest one was like a bunch of
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: rich people. It only had twelve and it could.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Hold forty I would So that was like, that was.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Like not good. Are you there yet to do you need?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Are you got your y'all need Jesus ready? Or do
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you guys want another fun fact? I got one coming,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I got them loaded up. Are you ready to do
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: or no? Okay, So we're gonna do another fun fact.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: So you know, you know like Chase Bank, you know
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: JP Morgan Chase. So JP Morgan bought Chase I think
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and two or whatever. But the man
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: JP Morgan was quite the interesting fella. Yes, so he
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: actually purchased a White Star Oh a white what's white
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: star line? I've got the star line? Yeah, White Star Line,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: which is the company, the ship building company that owned
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the Titanic. So he actually bankrolled building of the Titanic
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and the Olympia. I believe it was called because they
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: were basically identical ships. So he bankrolled paying for this.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: So the JP Morgan guy from JP Morgan Chase, and
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: he was actually supposed to be on the ship. So
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: he he was supposed to go on there and be
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: in like the nicest room and everything like that. Well,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: he had a thirty year old mistress, nice and French mistress,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and so he wanted to hang out. He was seventy
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: two years old, so he wanted to hang out with
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: her a little bit longer. So he's like, never mind,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to go on this fancy ass
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: ship that I built.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Before Viagra.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, so he didn't want to go on this fancy
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: ass ship anymore. He wanted to go hang out with
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: this thirty year old mistress, and so he'd actually was
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: supposed to be on the Titanic, but he was not. However,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: it didn't save him that much because a year later
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: he died. I'm not sure how. It probably had to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: do something with the.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Thirty year old mistress heart issues.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Yes. Are you there? Yes too?
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Yes? Are you ready?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: No?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Are you playing a gamer? Are you looking for a
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: damn y'all need? Jesus?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I got a y'all need Jesus. I don't know where
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: it went. It's in one of these open tabs. I
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: only got like five.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, what are the key words. Just type it
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: in there and I'll find it for you. It'll say
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: existing tab. Okay, let me think of another freaking fun
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: fact for you guys.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: He was way up here. Why isn't it way down
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: there where in my new tab?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why they do it
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: like that. Do you have it?
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: No? I ain't got it?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Okay. Another fun fact about the Titanic? What do we have? John?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: So, there was an astor on board. He actually died,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: John Jacob Astor.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: He actually died, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt. No.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Anyways, he actually asked to get on a lifeboat, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: some the guy actually turned him away. Even though he
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: was the richest man on the ship and the richest
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: one of the richest men in the entire world. He
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: was actually told no, he could not get on the lifeboats.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: He did not make it on that the fancy expensive
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: one at the beginning. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready, Okay,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: all right, that's all I gofer you maybe until next
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: week when I finished this.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I should do this one first
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: or the follow up to the other one first.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: No, just do one. I got to get to beds.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Do a few man, No Pritchett, Are you ready? Yes?
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: So?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Man with ankle monitor tells deputies he can't go to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: jail because he has a curfew, as do I. Florida
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: or Not Florida, Florida Fox thirteen, Tampa Bay of Course
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: by Nancy Gay, published January twenty nine, twenty twenty five,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: win or Haven, Florida. Winter Haven man who was on probation,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: is back behind bars after deputies say he interfered with
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: a first responder at the scene of a car crash.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Here's the backstory. According to Nancy, deputies with Pope County
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's Office were investigating a vehicle crash at Winter Lake
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Road and Brandy Chase Boulevard around nine to twenty five
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: pm on Tuesday, when they said a twenty three year
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: old Sebastian Angel Suarez approached the scene and asked, yo,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: what the fuck happened. The deputy said, he stopped what
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: he was doing, turned to Suarez and explained it was
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: a crash and that everyone appeared to be doing all right. However,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: according to Pope County Sheriff's Office, Suarez got within a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: foot of the deputy and angrily snapped back. No shit,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: A car crash happened. Who hit who? The deputy said
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: he told Suarez to step the fuck back so deputies
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: could work. Suarez yelled, fuck, thank you. You can't tell
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: me what to do.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Did they write the F word in this article?
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: No, it's a bunch of astroisk I'm just deciphering it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: The deputy said. He explained to Suarez that he was
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: impeding the deputy's work and then he needed to move
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: back or he would be arrested. Suarez said, I'm on
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: an ankle monitor with a curfew. You can't do shit.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: You can't take me anywhere. According to deputy, Suarez continue
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: to act out and was uncooperative. He was arrested and
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: charged with violation of probation, wilful child abuse. I don't
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: know where that came from, interfering with a first responder,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: and two counts of resisting arrest now, Suarez said. After
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: his arrival at jail, deputy said that Suarez had calmed
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: down and explained that a relative of his was involved
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: in the crash that the deputies were investigating. And there's
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: a law, a halo law in Florida makes it illegal
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to come within twenty five feet of first responders if
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: the intent is to impede, threaten, or harass them. People
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: who violate this law can be charged with a misdemeanor
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: or face up to sixty days in jail.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: So that's probably to discourage all these people that want
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to bring out their phone and record law enforcement, like
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: right up close, whether you're in the middle of something.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Trying to do CPR and shitting there.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Well, no, not even that, just like if they're trying
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to arrest somebody and somebody's like, we're gonna record you
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: doing everything blah blah blah, and then everything at that,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: which most of the police have body cams now that
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you can play back anyways. All right, Stu, thank you
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: for the y'all need Jesus.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Do you want to see my eye?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: No, I don't want to see your eye. Stop it,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: stew I'm not looking at.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: You looking to my eye.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: The shadow is like, what is wrong with you? You're gonna
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: hurt yourself. Stop what is wrong with you?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I'm just showing you my eye.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see any part of you right now. Wow,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: You're you're one eyed monster. You're your patch your wonky.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Are wonky and sticky?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Stop all right, that's a circa twenty eleven Stu and
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Kara Joe. Do not just stop whatever you're gonna say,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Just stop, all right. Thank you for all the new patrons.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you for all the new reviews. We really appreciate it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you for Facebook, thank you for thank you for Alice.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have nothing to talk about, what I know.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you for Alice and the Titanic because without them
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I would be lost. And I think that's all. And
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: we'll try to get one out on time next week.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: So this is all Stew's fault.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: This is not my fault. It's your fault for punching
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: me in the eye and detaching my retina.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: That is not even remotely true what happened. Although his
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: dad wanted to take a picture of me, pretended.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: To where is that picture out there?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: So the day that this happened, so Stu had to
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: have a huge like bandage on his eye or whatever.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: So his dad maybe post like I was punching Stew.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: And take a picture because domestic violence is hilarious.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, so any Stu did not mean that. Please don't
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: write us an angry letter. All right, well, I guess it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Will stark out. Anybody listening right now gets started out.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, I guess we will see you next time.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Buy everyone say bye. Stuck.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot midnapping,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: else is working. It's pretty learning sick. This worthy can