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Influentially Jewish · Mom Wars

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  Speaker 1: From the front lines of the mom Wars.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Bethany Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to another episode of your favorite podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Notice how it went from new to semi new. Now
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  Speaker 3: we're just your favorite podcast. If you could review us
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  Speaker 3: to reflect that new favorite status, that would be great.
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  Speaker 3: In the meantime, we are joined by my friend Melissa Strauss,
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  Speaker 3: who I think everyone in the Jewish world knows. She
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  Speaker 3: is a New York based content creator and influencer with
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  Speaker 3: over one point six million followers on TikTok and Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: I know, very impressive stuff. She explores Orthodox Judaism, kosher recipes,
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  Speaker 3: Jewish history, Anti Semitism, and Zionism while sharing insights into
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  Speaker 3: her everyday life. She's one of the few Orthodox Jewish
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  Speaker 3: influencers that I follow who talks about Orthodoxy that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: drive me bananas, if not the only Honestly, everyone else
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  Speaker 3: kind of drives me nuts because it's it feels very
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  Speaker 3: I'm veering off of her bio. It feels very like
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  Speaker 3: preachy and prescriptive from other people. Doesn't feel that way
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  Speaker 3: from Linda. Through her blend of cultural practices in modern storytelling,
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  Speaker 3: Melinda provides followers with a fresh perspective on following tradition.
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  Speaker 3: Fact check that's true. She was born and raised in Seattle, Washington,
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  Speaker 3: where she was just and I feel weird knowing that,
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  Speaker 3: but I follow her on Instagram, so I know that
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  Speaker 3: she was just there on an amazing fishing trip, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm interested in knowing more about how I can do
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  Speaker 3: the same. She has been blogging and sharing her love
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  Speaker 3: of cooking since twenty eleven, and because of that, her
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  Speaker 3: debut cookbook, Eat Jewish, is set to release on September second.
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  Speaker 3: So right around when this podcast is being released, not
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  Speaker 3: by accident, you are thinking about cooking for the holidays
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  Speaker 3: coming up. There's like an entire month of Jewish holidays,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm very excited for Nora's Brockley and all of
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  Speaker 3: the other recipes that I will find in this cookbook.
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  Speaker 3: I like to give myself a cookbook at the start
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  Speaker 3: of every new Jewish holiday season because we are offline
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  Speaker 3: for so much time that I find cookbooks a relaxing read.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps other women do as well. Sometimes I go to
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  Speaker 3: the library and get cookbooks from the library. Melinda's I
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  Speaker 3: will not. I pre ordered it like a good friend.
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  Speaker 3: If you have friends that are authors of any kind,
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  Speaker 3: do them a solid and pre order their their stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I did that from Linda. So I am also
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  Speaker 3: joined by my co host, and you can tell the
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  Speaker 3: difference from our voices.
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  Speaker 4: Ari Kennedy. I'm very sick today, so.
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  Speaker 3: And it just adds to the song. She sounds British
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  Speaker 3: and sultry.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, Melinda, welcome. I'm so excited to have you on.
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  Speaker 3: This was all just a ruse to get you to
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  Speaker 3: talk to me for an hour that we don't actually
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  Speaker 3: have a podcast. It's just like a really elaborate lie. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: it's impressive. Thank you. It's all been leading to this
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  Speaker 3: moment because I do find you relatable and fun and
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  Speaker 3: wonderful on the Do you post different content on TikTok
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  Speaker 3: because I'm not on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely different. A lot of it does overlap, like
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  Speaker 1: my my reels and my tiktoks. I post a lot
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  Speaker 1: of tiktoks, like a lot every day. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: would say minimum three. I would post even more if
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  Speaker 1: I actually hold myself back just so that I feel
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  Speaker 1: like a human who doesn't need social media all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but like I have to force myself not to make videos,
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  Speaker 1: versus the opposite where people like I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to post. I'm like, I can give you one hundred
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  Speaker 1: ideas right now, and then I usually do like one
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  Speaker 1: to two reels and then my stories are strictly for Instagram. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a lot of content creation.
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  Speaker 4: That is when did you start content creating.
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  Speaker 1: Technically in twenty eleven with my food blog like prom.
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  Speaker 5: Like original influencer one of the Yeah, towards the beginning,
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  Speaker 5: I was just talking about this with a friend, like
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  Speaker 5: there's there's some OG's Like.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to Paula Shoyer. She's incredible, So she
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  Speaker 1: and I were talking about like just known each other
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  Speaker 1: for like fifteen years at this point.
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  Speaker 3: One thing that I love about you is that you
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  Speaker 3: are very unapologetic about the fact that influencing is a job,
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  Speaker 3: like and how you describe it is like, wow, that
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  Speaker 3: is really hard and not something that I think I
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  Speaker 3: could do producing that much content every day.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't consider I know, it's very funny because
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  Speaker 1: it's semantics, but I don't like the word hard for
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  Speaker 1: it because I, at least for me, I find it
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  Speaker 1: very easy. I think there's a difference between like simple
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  Speaker 1: you know. So to me it's I understand people getting
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  Speaker 1: stressed out about posting videos, sharing their faces, making the content.
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  Speaker 1: I still don't consider it a hard job, especially when
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  Speaker 1: I look at job I used to work in nine
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  Speaker 1: to five right, I used to go into an office.
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  Speaker 1: I used to have a boss. So even with all
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  Speaker 1: the work that it takes to be an influencer, I
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  Speaker 1: still get to work for myself and have all the
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  Speaker 1: freedoms in the world to choose when I post.
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  Speaker 3: So I will push back on you a tiny bit, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because you are one of the few people I think
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  Speaker 3: who appreciates what being the center of Internet hatred is like.
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  Speaker 3: And something I love about you is that you put
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  Speaker 3: yourself in the lion's den of TikTok. I am not
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  Speaker 3: interested in that. I do get enough of it on Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need it from the TikTok, But we both
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  Speaker 3: get similar amounts of hate. And I think that you're
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  Speaker 3: doing a very valuable public service by being a like
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  Speaker 3: real live face of Judaism and zion and being a
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  Speaker 3: Zionist on that app But by you get a lot
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  Speaker 3: of hate. How do you withstand that? Well?
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  Speaker 1: So you know it's interesting because I don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: I put myself in the lines then, because I started
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok before the hate was there, right, I started
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  Speaker 1: back in end of twenty nineteen, and it was really
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  Speaker 1: just all love for so long, and love and curiosity
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  Speaker 1: and people just wanted to understand more about Judaism. And
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  Speaker 1: then of course with the growth came more hate, because
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  Speaker 1: that's just kind of what happens. I think on any account,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes people think, well, I don't get hate. I'm lucky.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, trust me, just grow a lot more. Because
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  Speaker 1: even when I was really small on Instagram, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so lucky, it's all peaceful. And then I started
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  Speaker 1: growing more and went, oh, they just haven't found me yet.
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  Speaker 1: But with that, I have a set of rules for myself,
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  Speaker 1: and the first rule is if somebody's posting hate, it's
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  Speaker 1: because there's something going on in their own life. Happy
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  Speaker 1: people don't post nasty comments.
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  Speaker 3: Can I tell you a story about that. I have
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  Speaker 3: two stories related to that. I had a guy sending
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  Speaker 3: me really really vile graphic but it wasn't a bot like.
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  Speaker 3: It was like very very terrifying hate. And I sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I mess with people via DM. Actually I just went
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  Speaker 3: viral for doing that because I got that woman fired.
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  Speaker 3: So I got a woman she DMed me something very nasty.
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  Speaker 3: I found out she worked at Fidelity. She no longer
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  Speaker 3: works at Fidelity. I read a New York Post column
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  Speaker 3: about it. Anyway, I like to mess with people via
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  Speaker 3: and this guy kept on sending me this like misogynist,
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  Speaker 3: really really angry stuff. And then one day I replied
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  Speaker 3: to him. And I would always reply to him kind
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  Speaker 3: of like off the cuff, joking about what he would say.
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  Speaker 3: And I took a picture of one of my daughter's
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  Speaker 3: artwork and I sent it to him and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think this represents? And I just like
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  Speaker 3: was joking around, just like you know, he's saying really
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  Speaker 3: vile things to me, I replied. And he started opening
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  Speaker 3: up to me and was like, I forget that you're
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  Speaker 3: a mother and you're a person behind I'm like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I am, I am a person. And we got to
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  Speaker 3: talking for a year via DM and it comes out
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  Speaker 3: that he is an erotic romance writer for like gay people,
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  Speaker 3: Like he's like an LGBT but it's just gay, so
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  Speaker 3: like a gay men's erotic romance novelist, and he was
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  Speaker 3: raised in a very very Christian conservative, borderline abusive household,
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  Speaker 3: and he fled it and really rebelled about any conservative
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  Speaker 3: parenting that he ever saw or perceived. And so he
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  Speaker 3: was directing all of his hate in my direction, and
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  Speaker 3: it was misguided. It really should have gone towards his parents,
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  Speaker 3: who he wasn't on speaking terms with. A second story,
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  Speaker 3: Kat Timpf, who's a Fox News personality, posted a screenshot
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  Speaker 3: of like angry, horrible, horrible, horrible tweet she was getting
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  Speaker 3: from a woman with her real name. As I've shown
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  Speaker 3: with this fidelity woman, I always google the people. And
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  Speaker 3: this woman was famous ten years ago because she got
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  Speaker 3: Lasik's surgery and they botched it and she blink.
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  Speaker 4: What that's like my number one? This is why we
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  Speaker 4: all have thought.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't get lay six. And so there was
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  Speaker 3: like news stories about how this woman dealt with the
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  Speaker 3: fact that she could not blink, she had to wear
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  Speaker 3: a mask at night, she had to do eye drops
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  Speaker 3: every two hours, day and night. And these stories were
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  Speaker 3: from twenty eleven, and so she's lived like this for
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, fifteen years. I'd be angry too, I'd
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  Speaker 3: be a psycho too, and so that's what Kat Timph.
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  Speaker 3: That's why this woman was sending Kat Temph all of
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  Speaker 3: this hate.
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  Speaker 1: And it's true, and it's for that. I actually have
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  Speaker 1: had somebody say to me, but I'm a really happy person.
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  Speaker 1: I said, so, then why did you write that comment?
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  Speaker 1: And they'll always like, if somebody really thinks about it,
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  Speaker 1: they'll come back with, oh God, I was having a
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  Speaker 1: bad time. I was angry, even like, there's always some
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  Speaker 1: reason that they're posting hate. Happy people just don't write
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  Speaker 1: nasty things. So that is my first rule when I
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  Speaker 1: see all of that hate. It's also, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to anything about Israel, I know that so
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  Speaker 1: much of it comes from a place of ignorance. It's
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  Speaker 1: why I do what I do, and I try and
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  Speaker 1: do it in a pause, because I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be a person who always feels like I have to
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  Speaker 1: explain myself as a Jew. I'm just living a Jewish life,
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  Speaker 1: and if you're open and willing to learn about it,
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  Speaker 1: then good on you. But I'm not gonna here trying
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  Speaker 1: to drag people along that hate us. Those people are
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  Speaker 1: not my people. They're there, yeah, and they're giving to
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  Speaker 1: the algorithm gods like, if that's what you need to do,
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  Speaker 1: I will make videos and say in the videos when
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  Speaker 1: you guys comment, you are helping me raise money. And
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  Speaker 1: because I make money through the through talk and that money,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it goes to donations for Jewish causes,
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  Speaker 1: for Israel causes, and in these videos, in those actual videos,
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  Speaker 1: people will still be fighting and arguing. I'm like, do
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  Speaker 1: you do you hear? Like, do you see what?
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  Speaker 4: You're incredible?
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  Speaker 1: They just can't think past whatever delusions in their mind,
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  Speaker 1: whatever they're angry about. They can't think straight. Because what
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  Speaker 1: I've learned over many, many years through the media is
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  Speaker 1: that the media creates fear because fear makes people stop
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  Speaker 1: thinking and they'll just act based on what they're feeling
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  Speaker 1: versus using their actual brains. And that's what's been going
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  Speaker 1: on for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And what's funny is the hate that you've probably
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  Speaker 3: been getting has been increased since the worst massacre of
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  Speaker 3: juice since the Holocaust.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm pretty much, and it somehow became all our faults. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the gas lighting is strong with these mens.
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  Speaker 3: I love the irony. How did you decide to write
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  Speaker 3: a cookbook? Why would you do such a thing to yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Having written a book, I can ask you that question,
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  Speaker 3: why would you do this to yourself? Did you know
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  Speaker 3: what it would be before you went into this?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. As many friends I had that
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  Speaker 1: I have who've written cookbooks, I had no clue, especially
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  Speaker 1: the editing part. That is just the editing is the worst.
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  Speaker 1: I is not warned. And you know what, It's like
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  Speaker 1: the same thing when people have babies and they tell
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  Speaker 1: you all the things and they you just you can't
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  Speaker 1: understand it until you experience it. And I think with
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  Speaker 1: the book it was the same. I was warned about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things. I got incredible advice from my
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  Speaker 1: cookbook author friends, Like I sat down with some of
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  Speaker 1: my friends, you know, my Jewish religious friends who have
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  Speaker 1: amazing books out. Some of them have two, three four
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  Speaker 1: books out, and they each gave me advice and I
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  Speaker 1: wrote things down and I really took it to heart.
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  Speaker 1: Like one of them was I was gonna use one
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  Speaker 1: of my friends as my photographer, like a close friend.
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  Speaker 1: And another one's like, don't do it. You will not
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  Speaker 1: be friends with them when it's over. And I ran
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  Speaker 1: them with that advice. It was such good advice. I
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  Speaker 1: was so excited, like my friend I would get to
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  Speaker 1: pay her and we get to work together. Not a
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  Speaker 1: good idea. I love my photographer, he's amazing, but we
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  Speaker 1: didn't go into it with this strong, bild friendship where
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  Speaker 1: it's and he's a very calm guy. Shnare. It is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: He's a great photographer, but it wasn't a friendship thing
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  Speaker 1: where you have to worry about like butting heads. But
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have this like huge dream. I'm sitting here
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  Speaker 1: in my office. I just repainted, but I had this
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  Speaker 1: dream board on my wall for a while. And my
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  Speaker 1: nephew says to me, you know, Auntie, mel, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see a cookbook on your dream board. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know he was looking at my dream board.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't some dream that I had. I still
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  Speaker 1: have huge dreams for myself. I thought maybe it could happen.
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  Speaker 1: But my recipes when I was food blogging were now
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  Speaker 1: were really in one direction. It was just whatever I'm
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  Speaker 1: in the mood to make, I make and I would
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  Speaker 1: post it and it would make me happy and it
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  Speaker 1: would make other people happy. And then with TikTok and
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  Speaker 1: building these relationships with people and people like really wanting
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  Speaker 1: to learn more about Jewish food, and this isn't just
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  Speaker 1: non Jewish people, but Jews too, religious, non religiou Jews,
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  Speaker 1: everything in between. And they started really connecting with my
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  Speaker 1: showbis Meals. Yeah, I realized, I'm like, I think I
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  Speaker 1: have something here and that's where I was, and I
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  Speaker 1: even mentioned it. This was the best part. Was I
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  Speaker 1: really believe in like putting everything onto the universe. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a big manifestor so in one of my videos making
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  Speaker 1: my daughters like, we call it Nora's broccoli because it
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  Speaker 1: was the only thing she would eat for a while,
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  Speaker 1: and the internet named it noras broccoli, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe one day this will be in a cookbook.
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  Speaker 1: And a follower reached out and said, I have an
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  Speaker 1: agent friend. Do you want me to introduce you guys?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like sure, and it's just he was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: We love Joe and that was it. I interviewed with
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  Speaker 1: one agent. He was fantastic and we jumped in.
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  Speaker 3: Was there any fear with so I've heard from Jewish
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  Speaker 3: authors that there's it's like not a great scene in
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  Speaker 3: the publishing world right now for anything Jewish Zion even
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  Speaker 3: not even not even Zionis actually put that off the
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  Speaker 3: table anything Jewish. Is your publisher a mainstream publisher? Are
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  Speaker 3: they a Jewish publisher?
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  Speaker 1: They are a mainstream publisher. Course, I thought sure, and
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  Speaker 1: I interview with them, I met them. Everything was pre
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  Speaker 1: October seventh, because we know, I mean, there was already
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  Speaker 1: anti Semitism, but after October seventh, I know that it's
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  Speaker 1: gotten a lot worse in the publishing world. I actually
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  Speaker 1: got an incredible email from someone on my team just saying,
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  Speaker 1: I love what you're doing using your voice standing up
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  Speaker 1: for Israel, and I was like blown away. I still
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  Speaker 1: have the email because I just I didn't even think
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  Speaker 1: about the potential for anti Semitism when October seventh happened.
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  Speaker 1: I used my voice because it's what I do. So
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking about what could happen with my
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  Speaker 1: book because I did it. It wasn't even a thought.
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  Speaker 1: And then for my team to be so supportive of
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  Speaker 1: not just me, but of Israel and the Jewish people
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  Speaker 1: in general. They've published quite a f books that are
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  Speaker 1: support of Israel and the jewis people. I had no idea,
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  Speaker 1: so it just everything just worked perfectly without me even
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  Speaker 1: realizing how it was going to work out. Thank God.
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  Speaker 3: And it's been a while. If this is pre October
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  Speaker 3: seventh that you signed this book deal, it's been over
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  Speaker 3: two years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so long it takes to write a cookbook.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So it's because there's a huge process, like
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  Speaker 1: testing recipes takes a really really long time, and that's
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  Speaker 1: pre First you have to figure out what recipes you're
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  Speaker 1: writing right. Then you're testing the recipes over and over.
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  Speaker 1: And I had people from around the world testing my recipes.
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  Speaker 1: I did like a Google doc, and I had them
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  Speaker 1: signed up for it. I wanted to know that my
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  Speaker 1: recipes worked in all altitudes. I wanted people in other
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  Speaker 1: countries to be able to say, hey, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what that ingredient is, so I could change the ingredient
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that people everywhere could have access to it.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question? Yeah, one of my
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  Speaker 3: one of my pet peeves. When you have things that
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  Speaker 3: are baking, did you list in grams how much good?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: It really drives me nuts. That is my number one tip.
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  Speaker 4: I would it be end Well, you.
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  Speaker 3: Just say three cups of flower, but you should put
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  Speaker 3: in grams because I have learned that my baking has
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  Speaker 3: been transformed since I started weighing my flower.
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  Speaker 1: It's true we're Americans, and Americans use cups instead of
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  Speaker 1: which I don't understand why that ever happened in the
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  Speaker 1: first place, Like, why couldn't we have just kept the
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  Speaker 1: grams and kept the weights. It makes so much more
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  Speaker 1: sense to weigh your food, and it's actually easier, by
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: the way, because you could do it all in one bowl.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: But for some reason America had to just change all
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that around and make it into cups. So everything in
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the book is in both grams and in cups.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I'm glad I pre ordered in that case. Phew, and
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I just put you on the spot. I haven't even
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: seen it yet. I pre ordered it, but this would
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: have been an awkward conversation had you not done that, it
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: would have been super awkward.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I actually hugging it right now as we speak.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: So just a note also for folks who want to
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: watch this podcast instead of listen to it, if you
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: subscribe to our sub stack, The mom Wars, you can
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: watch these things. I hear that people kids these days
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: like to watch podcasts. I don't really like to.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get less distracted when I can watch
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: it versus if I'm listening. Then all of a sudden,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I realized I stopped listening five minutes ago, But watching it,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I'm totally in.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I like to listen to podcasts while I'm making dinner.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Oh that's important. I just get so distracted and then
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I forget Yeah. Here.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: So I don't know if I can ask this question
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: yet because it might be prematual. But are there any
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: recipes that you're particularly proud of? Well, the tug aload
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: of work?
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, my rye bread, if you say took a
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: lot of work. The rye bread is one that I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: didn't really make a lot beforehand, but I really wanted
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to have it in the books. I just love eating
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: rye bread. And it took quite a few rounds and
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: quite a few people, and actually a friend in Seattle
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: who loves to make breads, who was like, let me
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: help you, and we went round after round after round,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and now is perfection. So that's certainly one that I
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: worked on. And my Softa's oxtail soup, which is probably
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: one of my favorites in the book. I also love
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the picture, which is really nice because I connect the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: food with the pictures. I know not everybody cares about pictures,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: but I do a lot. The oxtail soup, I switched
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: it from pressure cooker to a slow cooker because I
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: really wanted a suit that you could just set overnight
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and it's done the next day, or even set like
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: it's a ten hour soup, so you can really like
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: set in the morning. And I mean, I don't how
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: long everybody's days for, but you can get it and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: forget it. But it's my only besides my chillut, my
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: only other slow cooker recipe, and it is delicious.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I have a question for you related so,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: and it's good timing that your book. I know that
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: it was on purpose, but it's coming out in the
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: beginning of all the Jewish holidays. I know that was intentional,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: very smart. It's a lot of cooking. It is, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: explain it to non Jews, it's like three weeks of Thanksgiving, basically,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: like multiple Thanksgivings, not just one Thanksgiving, but multiple Thanksgivings.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: So you cook for crowds and you cook a lot.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: What do you have in the in the cookbook or
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: just do you have tips outside of the cookbook of
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: how you navigate that volume of food, because that's something
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: that I really struggle with.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't have anything in the book about
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like crowd tips, although that's a really good idea and
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I could have done that, I didn't, but I like it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So my biggest thing is prepping things in advance versus
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: prepping things fresh. So whenever I make a menu, I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: always think about both what are the things that need
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to be done fresh, but also if my entire menu
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: needs to be done fresh, I'm doing something wrong because
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I don't have time for that. So I like to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: think of things that can be frozen that freeze well right,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Like banana brt is a great example because it freezes
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: beautifully and you can make it two three weeks in advance,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and you can make a ton of recipes like that.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: You can make all different types of cakes and cookies.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: My head went right to dessert. But roasts can be
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: done in advance. They don't need to be fresh, and hey,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: if you want some kind of topping on them, you
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: can do that fresh maker when I need to be
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: So it's but it really comes down to make your
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: list and make sure that there's enough that can be
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: made in advance so it's already in your freezer, and
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: then don't forget about it, because that's important too, is
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you want to give it time to de frost. But
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I just the whole idea of making an entire meal fresh.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I know not everybody has freezer space, so I feel
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: like I should have some advice for people who don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: have freezer spaces.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I don't have freezer space because I never remember the
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: stuff that's in my freezer.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Right, so, but okay, So I also think if you
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: have your lists, then you also have that little check
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: box of what went in the freezer. I'm an overthinker
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: like that, so I always think, what are I having
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: on Monday? What am I having on Tuesday? And then
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: things that don't need to be cooked, or things that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: don't need to be heated, right, things that can just
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: be chopped are great. Not a salad person myself, but
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I put one salad in the book just because I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: felt like there should be a salad in the book,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: so I put one. And it's so delicious. It's a
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: it's a falafel chicken salad, all the stuff that goes
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: into a falafel. But on lettuce and the chicken is
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: actually baked with a full awful coating chef's kiss. It's delish,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: but it's my one salad. But things like salads or
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: roasted vegetables that can be made ahead of time, like
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a day ahead of time, and then they don't need
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to get reheated. Just I try and prep as much
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: beforehand as possible, and also clean your kitchen. Start your
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: day with a clean kitchen and then cleaning it throughout
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the day. It feels overwhelming when you look at your
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: kitchen and you're like, I just want to get started
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: because you're so excited. But if you just get started
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: with a mess, your whole day is going to be
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: a mess. So just take a few minutes in the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: morning review your menu. Make sure you have all your ingredients.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And this is actually a great tip for when you're
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: using a recipe that isn't your own, read the entire
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: recipe before you start making it. You love all the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: ingredients because I'm sure we've all done it. I've done
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it as well. Where you're like halfway through a recipe
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and you realize you put something into the wrong time
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: or you are missing a vital ingredient. So please read
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I think I maybe put that tip in the book
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: is just read the recipe beforehand and be prepared.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Being someone who like marinates in food, like not only
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: do you have your cookbook eat Jewish Out September second,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: but also that's another tip that Hugh Hewittt taught me
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: to constantly repeat. This is a tip for you constantly
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: repeat the name of your book over and over and
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: over in a really obnoxious way, eat Jewish Out September second.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: In addition to the cookbook, you marinate in the food
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: blogging world. And so whenever I see Flay Shigg's magazine,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I usually see your face in it. How this is
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: another thing, especially during these like this month of NonStop holidays,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: which non Jews are going to get into once they
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: hit November December. How do you not get in a rut?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I can't just I can't make another brisket,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I can't make more chicken soup with mats of balls,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Like how do I vary it up a little bit?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: And where do you Where do you find that inspiration?
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: What are your other favorite places to find food? Your
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: other favorite cookbook authors? Like where do you go from
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: for that kind of stuff.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the first question for some people is
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: do you care if you eat the same thing over
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and over again? Because some people feel like they have to,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: but they really just are happy to eat the same things.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So then just do it, like it's okay to actually
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: just make a massive pot of chicken soup and eat
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it the entire holiday. If everybody's happy to do that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Don't feel like you have to be pressured to make
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: some crazy wild menu if you see other people doing it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: If you feel like you're gonna rut, then yeah, flay
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Shit's magazine. They have an app. Even so, they're an
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: amazing resource. I'm a google or Googler, Is that a thing?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I tend to just go to Google and I type
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: in what I'm looking for, or even chat TPT is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: amazing when you need ideas, like oh, I just want
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a different soup now. The beautiful thing about having eat
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Jewish out September second is there's a massive soup section,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: so if you're wondering what to make, there's a lot
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of options right there. My plan I don't cook as
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: much for Russiashana and all I mean Russian I cook
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: for because I'm home. When I go home to my
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: family for soue coat, my hands are up. I cook nothing.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Thank God, I eat a lot of food, but I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: don't cook a lot of food. I just go to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: my family and they do all the work. But for Thanksgiving,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I turn into a nut. I go crazy. So I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: planning to make my entire menu for shot out for
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: my book and then for Thanksgiving for my book as well.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: It's acting inspiration, you know, my cookbook Each you wish
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: out September second is the way to go.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: So it's funny because a lot of Jews don't do
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Thanksgiving us included. Do you feel Thankgiving? I don't feel
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: like a lot of Jews do Thanksgiving? Okay, really do
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: you do Thanksgiving?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite holiday in the whole world.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: So we do Thanksgiving Shabbat on the day after, and
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: so we have all the traditional Thanksgiving foods the day after.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So you're still doing Thanksgiving, You're just doing it the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: next day.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I just can't. I can't cook that much
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: for one day and then Shabbat is the next day.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: We're leftover as kind of people. So everything on Thanksgiving
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and I do a massive Thanksgiving on Instagram, and I
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: didn't do one last year, which is why you'd be
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like you didn't do one. I went to my aunt
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and uncle last year, and my aunt is a huge
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: inspiration behind my love of Thanksgiving. Her stuffing's actually in
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: my book. But I do a massive Thanksgiving. I've been
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: doing it for so many years. I love to have
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: like twenty thirty people and then we eat the leftovers
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: for shavis. So that's my trick. And I just I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: love the food. I understand people doing it only in shabas.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: My family does that, but Thanksgiving food, it's not even
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the turkey. It's the stuffing and all of the like
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: things made with squash and all that. I just love fall.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I love fall. It's my favorite seah and fall food
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and cinnamon, Oh my gosh, I could put cinemona.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I use being Jewish as an excuse to get away
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: from all of the things that I hated from my
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: childhood because I was half Jewish half my mom's Catholic,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and so I was like really raised by my Catholic mother,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and so like I hated Thanksgiving, I hated Christmas, and
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: then I was like, oh, I could just become Jewish
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: and then I can jettus in all of it. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: that's that's basically what I did.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Why are you becoming Jewish? I'm done with Christmas?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Was that there's too much trauma involved. It was funny
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: because when I converted, that was actually one of the
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: questions from the from the Council of Rabbis, from the
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: baitd in. They were like, how do you foresee yourself
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: handling missing? And I was like, oh, you can stop
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: right there. That's part of the reason I'm doing this.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I will not miss. And here's the irony of ironies.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: You know what my children love? Oh gosh, they're good
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Jewish children who love Christmas.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Christmas is great. I'm sorry.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: They want to visit my friend's trees, they want to
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: go listen to the song like they love everything because
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: they're Jewish and so they love Christmas. I'm like, guys,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: this is terrible. And I converted to it religion for this.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Could you have a Christmas treath if you wanted to?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I can do it for I want, right,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: That's the answer is as Jews, you could do whatever
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: you want.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Right. People ask all the time.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Like forbidden together Christmas?
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: No, but so what's funny is I'm actually in a
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: text fight with my husband right now because I am
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: obsessed with the Isabella Gardner art heeist from nineteen ninety,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: very niche thing to be obsessed with, and the most
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: famous painting stolen was Christ on the Sea of Galilee.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: It was like one of the earliest Rembrandt paintings and
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: it's very unique in Rembrandt's ouvre. He'd never painted anything,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: seescape anything. That one painting was it and it was
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: stolen in nineteen ninety and no one knows what happened
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to it. And I'm obsessed with it. I don't know why.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: And so I asked Seth. I was like, can we
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: get like a nice reprint and put it on our wall?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, absolutely, And then three minutes
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: later he replied and he had googled it and he
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm not putting a painting about Jesus on
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: our wall. I'm sorry. That is where I draw the line.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, wait, have you been obsessed since nineteen ninety, No, it's.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: A pretty recent obsession. So we studied in our homeschool,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: we studied Rembrandt last year and that was one of
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: paintings we studied, and then me and all the kids
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: fell down a rabbit hole. We watched like a whole
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Netflix documentary about the heist. I read everything I possibly can.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I have like Google alerts, I read, read it all
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: like I'm obsessed, and so I just like I mourn
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: for this painting that is just probably destroyed. They cut
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: it out of the frame and rolled it up, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that destroyed it in like that moment in
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety. But it was brilliant because these guys sorry
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: to detour. It was Boston on March eighteenth, at like midnight,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: and they knew the entire Boston Police Department was dealing
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: with drunks celebrating Saint Patrick's Day.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: The brilliant, relliant. It's in somebody's basement somewhere.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: It's got to be yes.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: But things did get destroyed. We know that from you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: World War two and a lot of art that was stolen.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So things don't all again, Sae.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: They cut it out of the frame, and because of
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the way that Isabella Gardener, who was like the person
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: who owned the museum, whatever the way that she wrote
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: her will, they had to keep they had to keep
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: everything exactly as she left it. And she said, if
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: you liquidate anything or change anything, the whole museum is liquidated.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: In the contents are donated to Harvard University, and so
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: they're not allowed to remove the frames, right, they have
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to stay on the walls in that one room. And
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: so there's a room that's just really depressing because it's
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: filled with all empty frames. There's a Vermier missing, a
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Bega missing, like there's like it was Google. It's amazing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: So, Isabella, what have you been to the museum? No?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: So that's on my to do list. In June, we're
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: going to do a homeschool trip to Boston and we're
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: going to do the Freedom Trail. We're going to do
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: the Isabella Gardner and I can't wait. I'm I need
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: to get a babysitter that day so I can go
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: to the Isabella Gardner and just like have like some
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: time to mourn in front of it. But my kids
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: are all also super committed. My younger daughter, who is six,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: so she was in kindergarten last year, became obsessed with Rembrandt,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: and now wherever we go, where there's a Rembrant, she
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: has to like go and take a picture in front
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: of it. She can. When we went to the Museum
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: of No the Met. We went to the Met, she
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: was in a different gallery and looked across into a
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: different gallery and she was like, there's a there's a rembrant.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And we walked all into the other gallery in the
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: next room and I was like, I looked at the sign.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that is a remembrant. And she
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: walked up to this like security guard who doesn't know
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: anything and was like, is this his wife, Saskia. It's
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: like I looked at the sign. I was like, no,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: but wow, that was a great guess five year old.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And the guard's like, what the heck are you talking
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: about it?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: The guard was like, I guess I'll read the sign.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where I was ready depression.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: And they're not allowed to change anything. So it's been
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: like this for twenty four years. Thirty four years, yeah,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: thirty four because it was nineteen ninety so anyway.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that's fable to go down.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: So I think this is a good moment to take
• 31:12
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  Speaker 6: So you stopped it in like twenty eleven, but I
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: guess that was but like food blogs and then maybe Instagram,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Instagram sausage came.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Actually I started with Twitter, Facebook because that's all there
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: was back then. And actually how I met all of
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the Jewish I guess we weren't content creators were as
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: bloggers back then. All of the Jewish bloggers we met
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: through Twitter. I met Fleashik's magazine back then they were
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: with Taboa and that was their original magazine. So I
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: introduced myself to them because I'd read their magazine and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: loved it. There's just so many different people between Carpools,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Leash Shapira, There's like all these different people. Haney Apple
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: down Busy in Brooklyn. We met through Twitter and then Facebook.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Was it a lot of og Twitter people They don't
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: they don't really reside on the Twitter anymore. But no,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: it's not the same. But like, that was how I
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: met Hadassa Milner, who I have not spoken to in
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: many years. I don't know what happened. There happened, And
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Laura Bendavide, who we just lost. Yeah, very sad about that,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: very sad. Yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Then we all knew each other in like such a
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: different way. And there was no video, there was no
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: there was no recording anything. You took a picture of
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: your food and you posted it. You know, people took
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: a picture of their outfit and they posted it. Like
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that's who we were, and we were food bloggers. Back
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: then nobody cared what we were wearing. But how things
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: have changed, But back then it was. And then picturests
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: came around and Instagram, well Instagram and then Pinterest and
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: wherever these things start, I join. So that's where you
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: know Pinterest that's still around. I don't really use it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I post things automatically that go there sometimes, but I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: just I don't use it, so I don't post on it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: That's kind of my thing.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: If I'm not How was how was the kind of
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: transition and switch from taking a picture of food or
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: having like still shots or tweets or.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Whatever into something that's way more kind of like time.
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: Consuming personal, because I feel like every single influencer, blog
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: or whatever it now has had to pivot from wanting
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: to share something online to having to completely open themselves
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: up because that is what people want.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It's like we're all videographers now, which is crazy. Every
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: brand I talked to brand owners and I feel so
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: bad for them. I'm like, you have to literally become
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the face of your campaign. You have to make all
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the videos, you have to do everything, because as much
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: as fancy ads are great, they want to see the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: person behind the company. At the beginning, it was awful.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: All of us were like, especially when stories came around,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: because okay, Instagram's a new app, and you know, one
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: got on it and another gun on it, so we
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: all slowly got on the platform, and then when they
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: started stories, we all started freaking out, Like you're telling
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: me that the only way that I can have an
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: account still is if I'm holding my phone up to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and talking. And I took to it very well. I did.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I love I love it. Now I can't even imagine,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: like I heard the pictures, I have to force myself
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to take a picture where I take screenshots of my
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: videos sometimes because I've read. But at the beginning, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: would say for most, at least me and my friends,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: we were stressed what do we share? What do we say?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And now it's like I have to force myself not
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to post fifty stories a day because I just want
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to post my entire life.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: How does your family feel about your social media presence?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't post my whole life, so I'll say
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that much that they're very grateful for that. I make
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: it very clear to them that I won't post anything
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: they don't want me to post, and I ask permission
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: before I make any video anywhere that I'm with them,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: so they enjoy it. They enjoy even people who like
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: respectfully come over to them to say hi, like kids
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: more their age will come over to them say hi
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: over adults, but their friends follow, so like they enjoy
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: that part of the attention. But they also know very much,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and I make it clear as much as possible. We're
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: going out for dinner, I said, okay, if I post,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: is it okay? If I make video, I'll post later
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: if they say no, I'm not posting anything because it's
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: really up to them. If they don't want to be
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: in a video, I don't ever pressure them. I don't
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: even ask them they asked to be in them. My
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: poor husband. I mean, if he says I don't want
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to be in a video, he's not in the video.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I only say my poor husband because I ask him,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: like you want to be in, I want to be
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: in And if he's just not in the mood, then
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: that's my biggest rules. I want to respect their privacy
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and I want to respect their moments where they just
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: have zero interest in being on my platform.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I have changed a lot of how I've posted in
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: the last I would say like three years or no,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: two years. Seth. Seth got his job at Commentary two
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: years ago exactly because he started five days after October seventh.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: He had no intention of leaving his job, and then
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: October seventh happened, and then he left it very quickly.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: And so now he works from home full time and
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: he's always home. And I used to post videos of
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: me talking all the time, and then I can't do
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: that because he is not a fan. And he also
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: like just makes fun of me, and so I feel
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: really self conscious and I can't. I can't walk into
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: my friend and didn't.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: So awkward, Yes, awkward when other people, and especially when
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: your husband's in the room.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Because he'll come in and be like, who are you
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: talking to? And I was like my phone the internet people,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know who watches this. It's like why why
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: do you do that? And so I just I got
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: sick of it. And sometimes I'll take like a picture
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: of myself and then I'll write a caption.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I like when you talk, thank you, just so you know.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: It's just figuring out that bounce. And it changes, by
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the way, like you said, it changed for you, and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: that's part of it. It's changed for me. Over the years.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I definitely used to post my kids more and then
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I learned what was out there and I just had
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: never thought about it. And I started following this woman
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: on TikTok and I am currently forgetting her name, which
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: makes me sad, but I'll you know, because you don't
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: have TikTok, but she's amazing. Mom un charted. It just
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: came to me as I was saying that Mama charted.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: So I think she's an anti Semit. No, I just
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: know she is. I know that she is. I unfollowed
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: her on Instagram recently because she started yep, mom in Charge.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Oh that is so depressing. Yeah, it's such important. It's like,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: why couldn't she just stick to me she was really
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: good at, which was fighting through the rights of children
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: on the internet.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And here she is, by the way, when children in
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a country are being used who are sick for propaganda
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and she's not writing. Oh oh that makes me so sad. Okay,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: well what she did teach me, because I will still
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: acknowledge what she taught me because until I just found
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: out she was anti Semite.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: She was. She's Canadian, that's always her first time.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: You're right, oh man, there's some good.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Canadians and the English and Australian like anyone basically, well,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Not all Canadians feel like that. I mean, some of
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: the West Coast ones are really good. They are. But
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: it's so what she taught me, and I'll still say
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it because it has changed a lot for me, even
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: though I'm gonna have to go and follow her now,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: which makes me really sad. But okay, well, let's move
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: on from that, but it's just learning about the kind
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: of people on the internet who are watching your children
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and taking videos of your children. And beyond that, even
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: if those people didn't exist, it's the fact that your
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: children should have the right to consent to be in
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a video, just like adults have the right to consent.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: And when I ask my husband, do you want to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: be in a video? My children should have that same right.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And if they're not old enough to understand what that means,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: then they just don't get to be in there's no
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: video for them. Yeah, that was like a huge shift
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: for me. Beyond the fact that you're putting their footprint
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: out into the world without them even knowing what that means,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you're putting your child, I don't know, eating bananas on
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the internet, or their bedtime routine or whatever it may be.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: That's there forever, Yeah, there forever. But it's it's also
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the consent thing I think that really hit me the most,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Like every adult around me do you want to be
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: in a video? I would never put my friends in
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a video without asking them first, or my kids have
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the same right. So when they were younger, I definitely
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: had them more in videos, never little, because thank God,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: my kids weren't little when I had this part of
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: social media. I went back and privated every single Facebook
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: album I had because I never really thought about the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: fact that I was putting their lives out for the
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: public to see. So I went back and private ad
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: all those But it really shifted for me, even for
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: my teenagers what kind of videos they're in with asking
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: them permission, never pressuring them. That was big. But then
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: it makes you think even more so about little children.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Like, wait, so you have teenagers.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I had two teenagers. I have a seventeen year old
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and my daughter's about to turn fifteen.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: I was just going to ask if you had kids
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: yet the hour of social media age and whether they
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: kind of like the idea of influencing or want to
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: kind of emulate you.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Well, they love the free stuff. I love the PR
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: my daughter more than my son. But they both definitely
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: benefit from the PR they I don't think that either
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: of them, who knows what they want to do with
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: their future. They don't what they want to do. My
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: son wants to go into engineering, so this is you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: but he he loves photography, He loves all these things,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and it's definitely helped them in ways to become more open,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: even if it's just like I interviewed my son on
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: his summer program and he was like, yeah, let's do it,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and he spoke beautifully and it was that.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Was very helpful, and we were texting about it afterwards.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: It was an amazing video. I actually ended up collabing
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: with the program because I know it could help future
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: kids going on this plan. It was great. So it's
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: been really like fun to watch them grow with it.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: But if they want to do this, I'm happy to
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: help them. But I mean, my daughter's fifteen, she's no
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: clue what she wants to do with her life.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I have been shocked. Hilari Hilaria, Hilaria.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Her name is Hillary. Okay, she pretends to be Spanish,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: but her name is Hillary Baldwin.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Baldwin.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, there you go, Hilari Hilaria. Her name is Hillary
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: and she pretends to be Spanish speaking. She just launched
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: a new podcast with her just turned twelve year old daughter.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And I'm ninety five percent sure that that girl has
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: fillers in her lips. She yeah, she has a full
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: face of makeup on all the time, tank top, everything,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you name it. And I it's interesting because my oldest
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: daughter is almost twelve. She'll be turning twelve, which is like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of a big deal in October, that's
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: when her birthday is. And I am so disturbed watching
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the other one is Kim Kardashian's daughter Northwest is my
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: daughter's age, and there was just a picture posted of
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: her that was mind blowing, and it's really disturbing. It's
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: really disturbing watching the adultization of that age. And so
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: it's funny that you say, well, she's fifteen, you know.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's well enough to do a lot of
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: weird things on the internet.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: My fifteen year old. And I'm very grateful for this,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure that our parenting had something to do
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: with it, but I couldn't pinpoint what acts very much.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Age doesn't put on a lot of makeup, like I'm
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: she's so happy where she is and there's zero pressure,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: but like she puts on a little bit for school.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: She just plays volleyball. She's happy with her friends, like
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: she Thank God because I get I don't I don't
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: know what it is that we did to guide this,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: because I'm parenting is always involved, right, but I'm very
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: grateful for it, because I guess I used to say, oh,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: she's twelve, Oh she's thirteen, Like she always very much
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: acts her age and she isn't trying to be anything older.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And I do watch that when there are Sometimes there
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: are kids on the Internet who will post like get
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: ready with me is, and I'm like, how old? I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: usually like, I either do not interested, or I'll block
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: them just so that I don't have to see their
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: content anymore, because I hate that feeling like I don't
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: watch celebrities. I don't watch their children. I don't want
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: to see their life, like they put out things that
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world shouldn't be seeing.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I try and block them as much as for my sake.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: It's not my punishment for them. I just when they
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: cross my page, it irks me so much that I'd
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: rather not see it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I wrote, I think it was over Christmas and like
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: watching me because iminter was looking for like evergreen content
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: to post, and so I wrote this column for them
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: that actually did really really well about how I decided
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: to unfollow all of the mommy vloggers and anyone who
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I like had a parasocial relationship with their child and
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: knew their recognized their picture, knew their name. I unfollowed
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: all of them. I was like, I don't want to
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: know about this kid. I shouldn't know about this kid.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I should have no relationship with this child whatsoever. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: if I'm going to walk the walk of never posting
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: my children, never posting their faces or their names, which
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: I've done since twelve years ago, since my oldest was born,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I've never posted their photos of their names. There was
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: an instance six months ago or something happened with my
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: older two kids, but I'm not sorry about that, but
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I don't post it. That was awesome, yeah right, but
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I felt like I needed to stop following those accounts.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's I actually talked about this recently on social
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: media and got some pushback. But to the people who
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: push back, I push back harder, Like if you if
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you feel upset when your favorite creator stops posting their child,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: because that happens, right, somebody will say. There was a
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: woman when I first started on TikTok. She used to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: post her newborn twins and it was fun to watch
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: like she was it was a challenging time in her life,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: but then she realized that there were some really creepy,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: especially as our kids were getting older, right, Like, it
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: was a very weird thing, and so she stopped posting them,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and the outrage from her community was like, why are
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: you angry that she's not posting her babies anymore? Like
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: if you don't find her interesting, okay, but why did
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: you find her babies interesting?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: They're cute.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: It to them.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you give people an end show, they'll take
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: a mile. And when you stop sharing stuff, if you
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: scale it back, people feel so entitled to know each possibly,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: and people do.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, sometimes I think about it with my
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: kids because they are still children at the end of
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the day, and there are people who feel like I'm
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: their uncle, and I'm always like uncomfortable with it. And
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: then they're teenagers and so part of these like and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: there are people who saying you shouldn't be posting them either,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and maybe they're right, maybe I shouldn't be posting my teenagers.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: So they post there themselves, but there is that moment
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: where you're like, but these are not your children. People
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: have different reasons why they connect other people's children, sometimes good,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: sometimes bad, whatever it may be. But at the end
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: of the day, I just think about the children who
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: don't understand what's happening, what the internet even means. Yeah,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: at least start there.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: The incident that my children were posted, we had like
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: a very split second decision moment where I was like,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: do I let them go do this thing where they're
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: going to be photographed? They're not necessarily identifiably mine, but
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of people figured it out which ones were mine.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: And I looked at both of them and it was
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: eleven and ten years old, and I said, this is
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: the moment where your face is going to be on
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: the internet forever, and are you okay with that? And
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: we had talked for years about why their faces were
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: never out out there, and they had to make a
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: split second decision, and I felt like they were old
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: enough to be able to make it, like is this
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: opportunity worth having? That anonymity taken? And my son, unfortunately
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: was then the subject of like an internet conspiracy theory
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: about yes because of I Yamica like, oh look there's
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: a jew, of course there's there, and.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Say anybody else could be there. Nobody cares. Do you
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: see that, Yamaka? And suddenly where we run the world again,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: And so he became the subject of and someone sent
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: it to me a like really elaborate Internet Twitter conspiracy
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: about Jews running the federal government and.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Fantastic the way that they gravel hold of that one thing. Yeah,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: team million on us in the world.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: But I will say my ten year old son when
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I told him about it, and I showed him because
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: he should see it, like I didn't. I didn't show
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: him like scary things. But I was just like, by
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: the way this ever pops up when you're an adult,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: like just want you to know. And he thought it
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: was hysterical. He was like, oh my god, that's so funny.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: And I'm like cool, I'm glad that you were okay
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: with it and that you're not upset by it. But
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  Speaker 3: I but yeah, it was like I felt like they
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  Speaker 3: were in that moment able to consent, and I got
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: them to consent.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: We once had Nora and I made a video together
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: before her botb mitzvah, So she was almost twelve, and
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: we talked about different ideas for her theme, and she
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: had mentioned that they're in the video. She'd mentioned that
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  Speaker 1: some kids go to Israel for their bot mitzvah, that
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: was it. It was just a part of the conversation
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and somehow they got on the wrong side of TikTok
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, and it went viral and people were
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: imposing the nastiest comments, and she said, can you turn
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: off the comments? And I said sure, and that was
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  Speaker 1: the end of it.
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  Speaker 3: She did even know the comments are making your money.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: You're like, this can pay for the trip.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the day, like even recently
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I put I deleted a video because it was just
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: if someone asks someone's in it, they don't feel comfortable
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the money is It's not about the money, right, Like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, there's so much it's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: so much more important to have our values. So when
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: she said this, I feel uncomfortable. These comments were like psychotic.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: They were some of the craziest I've seen. She just said,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: can you can you turn off the comments? She didn't
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: say delete the video, just turn off the comments.
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  Speaker 3: So, speaking of which, and then I think we're going
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: to wrap the episode, but I want to ask, and
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I was meaning to ask this the beginning of the show.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Have you ever gotten to the point where you're like,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like with the has it ever manifested
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: itself kind of in real life for you in any
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: way that made you kind of rethink this whole influencing thing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Thank God, no, never put hope it stays that way forever.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: But their hate only makes me want to be louder
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and makes me talk more because I know what I'm
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: doing is good. Oh, you're on the wrong side of history.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Like clearly I'm not. But it just
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: makes me want to speak up more. And people have
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: said to me, you should get off TikTok because TikTok
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: is anti Semitic, and I'm like, great, So I'm gonna
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: leave behind everybodybody on that platform who either isn't Jewish,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: who wants to learn because boy are they out there,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: or Jewish and follows my account because they see themselves
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: in me modern Jews or religious everything in between, or.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: They don't see themselves in you, but they could. I
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: see you as There's a word that I love called
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: kiroof and it's outreach, and I feel like you do
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: such beautiful I think inadvertent k Is that a fair?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take that. Somebody doing it for that purpose.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: It wasn't at the beginning, and I still even when
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I post, I'm not necessarily doing it to you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: it's never about making anybody more religious. It's just about
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: connecting people to Judaism to make them feel proud to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: be Jewish. And I guess that would definitely be the
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: cure of that I'm after for sure. I want people
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: to know that it doesn't matter what kind of jew
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you are. You're not a bad Jew. You're Jewish or Jewish,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and just be proud of that, where your mug and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: doubIe like don't so great.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: That's what I love about you is that I feel
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: like a lot of these other influencer accounts don't make
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: me feel that way, and you pull that off.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks. Well, it's not a purpose and really it's just
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the natural way that I feel about being Jewish. And
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I if I were ever stop, then I would be
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: sending the wrong message.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: And on that beautiful note, where can people find you?
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: And how can they find you?
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll start with my cookbook Eat Jewish, which is
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: out September second, and that is on Amazon and Target
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and Burns and Noble, and I don't know all the
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: stores in Canada, but it's all over Canada.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: And Canada needs this, yeah, oh my gosh.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: And people, it's really. People been sending me pictures from
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: all over. It's going to be in Israel and the UK,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and it's really we're getting it everywhere. My publishers are international,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: so we're really working on it being all over the world.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: And if you geotag on Amazon you will find it.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Somebody just ordered it in Ireland, which is cool, so
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: be Owred in Scotlan in Ireland. Yeah, and Germany and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: everywhere there. Yes, they really need in an Ireland, Oh
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: my goodness, so they all. When it comes to the book,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: you can literally find it anywhere. And then my TikTok
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: and Instagram and everywhere else is at the real Melinda's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: gross amazing.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: So can't wait to read it, my great, I can't wait.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us, and we'll talk again.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I'll make up another reason to have you on again.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe we'll write another cookbook. Are you ever going to
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: do this again? Yeah?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I'll do it again. Got ideas already, I got a plan.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Really not yet though, let's let's, you know, give it
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: a little time. But I do have I haven't started
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: on the second book, but I do have my idea
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: for the second book.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I love it all right, well, I can't wait to
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: hear all about it in two years when we have
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: you back on all right, So until next time, our followers,
• 52:50
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• 52:54
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• 53:00
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