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Eastern Motor Racing Association (EMRA) · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Grand Touring Motorsports started as a social group of car enthusiasts,
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  but we've expanded into all sorts of motorsports disciplines, and we
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  want to share our stories with you.
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  Years of racing, wrenching, and motorsports experience brings
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  together a top notch collection of knowledge and information
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  through our podcast, Brake Fix.
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  A little over 50 years ago, a few local car clubs joined together
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  with the vision of building a better place to race in the Northeast.
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  Since then, the Eastern Motorsports Racing Association, better known as EMRA,
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  has grown to become one of the premier sanctioning bodies on the East Coast.
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  EMRA's wheel to wheel racing series is designed to deliver close,
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  competitive racing for cars of all makes and models, and their goal is
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  to provide top competition without sacrificing any of the enjoyment.
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  And remember is race hard and always have fun.
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  That's right, Brad.
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  And with us tonight is Corey Kanzone, chairman and chief instructor of Emra,
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  along with John Katz, the CIO, CTO, and marketing for Emra to tell us all
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  about their new and improved program.
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  So welcome to the show, John and Corey.
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  And I'm happy to be here.
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  All right, guys, like any good story, there's always an origin.
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  And we're talking about a 50 plus year old story here.
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  So tell us about the who, what, when, and where, and explain the history
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  of EMRA and where you guys came from.
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  Well, I guess it was around the mid 60s.
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  There was a bunch of guys, Who were sort of street racing
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  around New York and Long Island.
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  They all belong to different car clubs back then, depending
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  on the kind of car you had, you know, was the club you belong to.
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  So there was a bunch of different clubs, like all the British cars, you know, the
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  little roadsters, and they were always trying to race the Corvettes and stuff.
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  So the clubs, they would organize sort of street racing.
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  They kept getting in trouble and they decided, well, listen, why don't
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  we, uh, fight this out on the track?
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  Yeah.
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  You know, the legal way.
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  So they joined together, they created a club called Emera.
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  The club consisted of the seven different car clubs.
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  And they would hold monthly meetings to organize it, to figure out the rules
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  and to create a system that they could go in and race their cars legally.
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  And some of my research, you know, kind of looking back over the history of EMRA,
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  it seems like they were one of the first racing organizations to really kind of
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  splinter off of SCCA, which is the oldest sports car club in the United States.
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  You guys are very closely tied In terms of being like, let's say second place there
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  for the oldest car club or racing club in the U S and I was looking over it to your
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  point, the British car owners association, the Long Island Corvette owners,
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  Long Island sports car, South shore sports car and beer drinking society.
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  I was like, there's some really kind of interesting clubs that
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  make up the original core of Emory.
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  You know,
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  more about the.
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  South Shore Sports Car and Beer Drinking Society.
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  That sounds like it's right up my alley.
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  That's actually the shirt that I have on right now because I have been a member
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  of that club since I started with EMRA, dating myself back in the mid nineties.
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  The clubs were a big part and there was volunteers, COA, the Long Island Corvette
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  Owners Association is still around today.
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  And they're still a part of us.
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  A lot of the other clubs, the membership sort of fell away because
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  you had Liverpool, there's not really a lot of those cars that are easy
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  to come by anymore and Bosco and the others, the membership kind of
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  dwindled as you know, the members got older and, um, the South shore
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  sports car and beer drinkers society.
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  Was open to any car the same as Scooter X.
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  Uh, the other clubs, they, they kind of catered toward a
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  specific model or a specific make.
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  We tried to keep that going as long as we could.
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  We still have a representative and now where the board of directors.
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  Used to be few of the main players that needed to be like the
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  chairman and the race director.
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  And then you have a secretary and treasurer and that kind of thing.
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  Then you had a representative from each of the seven clubs.
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  And so now we have a representative who covers most of the clubs.
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  And then we have FRCCA as well, and LICOA that still join our meetings,
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  you know, because they have a vested interest in what's happening
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  with the club and their members.
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  They want to have a place to be able to take their cars out to drive on
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  the track or race or compete in time trials, however they want to do it.
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  So for those that don't know, the FRCCA is formula racing,
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  mostly open wheel cars, etc.
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  And it's kind of funny because We've had a few GTMers that have joined
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  our ranks that have come from Emra.
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  And so there's, you know, obviously it's a small community and there's always
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  cross pollination and things like that.
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  You know, we've heard of Emra for a long while, but then when we came on
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  the scene in the, you know, 2018 season, let's call it that, we noticed that Emra.
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  Was embracing other groups and seeming to kind of continue to foster that
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  idea of adopting smaller clubs.
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  Cause when we got there, you guys had the 86 group, which was the BRZ FRS guys.
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  They had their own class.
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  They were competing against each other in the same way
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  that this started 50 years ago.
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  So, you know, that's actually really cool.
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  And it's very rare to see that anymore because most organizations want you
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  to bend to whatever they got, right?
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  If you're, it's a Corvette club.
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  You got to drive a Corvette or a Porsche club.
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  You got to drive a Porsche SCCA and NASA.
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  Obviously they're so big that it doesn't matter what you drive.
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  They figured out how to class everything and make it work.
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  Sort of, I'm going to put an asterisk around that,
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  but
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  yeah, I think it's really cool because this is very unique and I don't want to
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  call it an old school mentality, but.
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  It's very inviting to bring in these smaller groups that
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  are trying to find their way.
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  And Emra is a great home for them to either launch their program,
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  or I hate to say get absorbed into the greater Emra itself.
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  Yeah, I was going to add also, and it's the same philosophy with
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  trying to bring on new drivers.
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  So what we try to do is create a, I don't want to say safe place, but kind
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  of a safe place for new drivers that have never been out on track before.
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  Come take our student program.
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  Get involved, you know, the same way that we take on smaller clubs that want to
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  come and may not be able to rent a track.
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  Come join with us and we can all, you know, do this for the greater good.
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  Since you're, you were made up or you, you, you started from splintering
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  from many, or you've got a group of many different clubs, what if for the
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  new, I guess, leaders of some of the smaller clubs that might be listening
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  to this today, what do they need to do if they want to get involved with
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  Emra like the 86 group and, you know, and have their own class or whatever,
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  like what did they have to do?
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  Emra.
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  org slash contact, reach out.
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  We reach out, we're always speaking with different clubs, always
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  speaking with people who want to join forces and, and come run with us.
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  You know, we're are always ever evolving and, and growing and morphing and again,
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  we're just looking to push this to the next season and, and get more people
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  involved and, you know, just get more people out there to join the Emer family.
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  The cost of renting tracks is growing exponentially year on year and it's.
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  I understand it.
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  I understand that they are running a business.
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  That's what they have to do, but it gets more difficult for smaller
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  clubs to come up with six digits for a three day weekend somewhere.
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  This has been happening to other clubs as well.
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  And because the community is small, we get to talk to a lot of different
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  people about where they're running and people who want to step up from
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  autocross to come and experience what a track event is going to feel like.
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  It's easy to say that.
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  Uh, we'll just take anybody because there's so many people that are,
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  that are out there that don't know what to do or how to begin.
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  And so these small clubs, you have to integrate correctly.
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  It can't just be anyone, you know, on track etiquette and safety.
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  Of course, that's always the most important things.
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  We'll talk about that later with, with instructing and what we do
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  with students and classroom and all sort of stuff like that.
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  But the groups also have to fit.
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  You can only run a certain number of cars on track at a certain time.
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  What is your end goal?
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  Are you looking to compete or are you just looking to get some experience
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  to start to see if that's something that you want to continue or
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  or aim towards?
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  Speaking about Emra, what are some of the key differentiators
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  between you all and some of the other clubs that still exist today.
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  The SCCAs, the NASAs, the PCAs, you know, as a, as a participant or a driver or
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  even a small club, uh, I guess leader, why would I want to choose Emeril?
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  What's your elevator pitch?
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  At the expense of sounding cheesy, we're, we're a big family.
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  We really are.
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  You know, I, we keep in touch with each other on track, off track,
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  always looking to help each other.
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  I had an aha moment.
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  It was my second season out.
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  So I started, I'm, I'm relatively new in the, in the motorsport industry, but
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  I've been doing this about a little over three years now, but the first day that
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  I trailered my car to Pocono by myself, no friends or anything, I get there.
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  I go to unload, my car is stuck on the trailer.
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  What am I going to do?
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  I'm by myself.
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  I don't have any tools.
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  Like my lip was hanging over the trailer.
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  I couldn't get the thing off.
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  I'm about to pack up and go home.
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  Everybody was like, stop.
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  People were running over with tools.
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  I mean, we had five guys in a matter of 10 minutes taking apart
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  the trailer to get me off of the trailer to compete against them.
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  Like it's unbelievable the, you know, that, that was my aha moment.
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  Like right there.
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  I was like, wow, these people actually care, like coming from kid growing
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  up, drag racing is like, everybody's like, Hey, like I'm hiding this from
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  you because I need to be a 10th faster.
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  It's like, no, here it's like.
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  We want to help you get a 10th faster.
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  Why don't you try this in the next corner?
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  Yeah, it's a family atmosphere.
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  It really is.
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  I could say another differentiator.
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  We don't make you run VDE for three, four years before getting into time trial.
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  Your instructor says that you're capable at this point, put a transponder on
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  the car and start running against the clock and start competing with
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  other people in your field range.
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  Yeah, let's do it.
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  Let's get you starting to compete.
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  And we basically, we give drivers the opportunity to grow and
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  really with their comfort level on the track, just start competing
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  besides that we're not for profit.
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  So at the end of the day, we're not looking to pet our pockets.
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  We're looking to break even at the end of the season, just so we can push again
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  for the next season and do it again.
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  So we try to keep our pricing, you know, as, as a dead break, even
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  breaking even for us is a win.
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  That's what we look to do.
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  I could say our style of time trial, you know, we align with global time
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  attacks, time trial dial, where you know, get out there, you have a few sessions
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  to do it, but run fastest time of the day on one lap and post your time up.
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  And we're not breaking this out into two separate days.
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  We're not breaking you out into a, you know, a half track sprint and
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  then averaging times and stuff.
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  It's very similar to the global time attack style, who we've aligned with.
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  You know, what we're looking to be is the premier regional time attack organization.
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  To prep people to potentially compete on the national level.
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  And that's really what we're going to do.
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  You know, John touched on it before.
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  The people that come, they realize the atmosphere.
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  And it's nice because it is competitive.
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  Rob and Randy, who, who helped John get his block stuck
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  Cadillac off of his trailer.
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  You know, they, they get the car off the trailer and then they say, all
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  right, now I'm going to go kick ass.
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  You know, but there is, there's that competitiveness is there, but at lunchtime
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  where everybody's flipping burgers and I do, I think that's an important part
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  of it because that's what really has kept me around it and made me want to.
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  Keep Emer around and to help out.
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  I mean, we're all volunteers.
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  We do it because we love it.
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  And we want other people to love it the way that we do.
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  To John's point, I think it was a great segue talking about becoming
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  the premier time trials organization.
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  I think you guys have a massive foothold in that.
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  I think there's a lot of other organizations that are trying
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  to catch up in that respect.
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  And I'm not going to name names, but.
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  Some of them will do it in conjunction with their DE program.
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  Some of them will do it in conjunction with their club racing, right?
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  They need to fill the spots to pay the bills as you say, but there's not this
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  dedicated vision and direction and target of we want to be time trials.
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  And for me, especially, I came from the autocross world, from the pro solar
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  world, you know, grew up in that and everybody makes fun of the trialers
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  sometimes, especially the club racers like, well, that's just qualifying.
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  And I'm like, great.
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  I'm going to qualify at the front.
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  Where are you going to end up?
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  Right?
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  So think about it
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  that way.
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  Time trials is awesome for that one respect, because sometimes the race
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  is determined on where you started.
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  And so it's really, really important.
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  So it's Eastern Motorsport Racing Association.
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  What is the footprint define Eastern?
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  I should say, what are some of the traps you guys run at?
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  We have run at a lot of
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  different,
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  I was going to say, we have to break this up because we're in a
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  rebuild year right now, being a not for profit last year hurt us.
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  Because again, we run at basically zero because we want to break
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  even, we don't want to make money.
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  We want to make sure that we're giving back to the community,
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  making sure that our pricing is in line with what we're paying.
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  So the problem becomes when a year like COVID hits, our down payments are gone.
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  So we're basically in a rebuild year right now.
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  We aren't able to run the tracks this year that we used to run.
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  So yeah, sorry, Corey, I interrupted you.
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  No, it's
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  all good.
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  Started out very locally to the tri state area.
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  We ran Bridgehampton, Lime Rock.
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  You know, we used to go to the Old Briar, which is now New Hampshire.
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  You know, and we go as far south as Summit Point.
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  Summit Point is, you know, one of our favorite places to go.
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  And we have a good group of guys who love the track.
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  And we end our season there.
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  We've been to Watkins Glen.
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  We've been to Beaver Run.
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  Which is now pit race, which that's a little, it's a little far.
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  It's, it's a little bit of a stretch when we're going to do an event like that.
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  We try to coordinate with another group or we'll reach out to some of
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  the car clubs that are local out there.
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  And, you know, just to get the word out, but we're excited about Palmer.
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  We started Palmer three years ago, right before the pandemic.
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  And.
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  We had a great event there.
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  We had great weather and the turnout was nice.
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  Then we had to cancel in 2020.
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  You know, going back this year was tough, but we had a, we
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  had an amazing event there.
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  We had a lot of new drivers showing up from autocrossing routes.
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  But that actually gets us into a conversation about EMRA and
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  the services that it offers.
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  So when we joined with EMRA and came out during the 2018 season, it
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  was still kind of this mixed bag.
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  of there was club racing, time trials, and DE all at the same time.
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  So is that still the case or has it now shifted in 2021
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  as you guys are rebuilding?
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  It has shifted a little bit.
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  Our focus was always on the time attack.
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  We like to have the club racing.
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  That is a session, and it's fun for everyone to watch.
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  Our club racers are, are very dedicated.
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  I, I am one of them.
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  But the global time attack is where the community is moving towards,
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  and we've been noticing that.
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  I mean, back the way it used to be, What Emra would do is we would have a
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  weekend, it would be Saturday was time trials day and Sunday was race day.
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  There started to be a shift as times changed and the cars sort of changed
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  and people wanted to take their street cars and bring them to the
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  track and go compete for a trophy.
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  It's a little harder to police.
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  I'm not gonna lie about that because you're a street car.
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  You're changing it all the time.
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  You're driving it every day.
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  You're doing little things.
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  And so every time you come to the track, your car is a little bit different.
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  So how do you, how do you really keep tabs on that?
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  You know, whereas like a race car or a dedicated track car will have a logbook.
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  So we've tried to adjust and uh, John hates it this way, but the way
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  that time trials used to happen, you would practice for the day.
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  You would have your two or three sessions.
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  For the day, and then at the end of the day, you would line up,
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  depending on the track, three or four cars that were on track at
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  the same time to do two time laps.
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  That was actually, like, really, like, qualifying.
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  You would just go out there and lay, lay it down.
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  You know, for your two laps, all your practice for the day, you could have
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  ran three seconds faster earlier in the morning, but it doesn't matter.
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  It was before transponders and transponders made it easy to track
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  everything you were doing all day long.
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  So we had volunteers with stopwatches and So I thought it was fun and I thought it
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  really, like, it sort of defined the day.
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  You know, you were aiming towards something.
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  Which I don't like.
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  I'm with you on that.
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  I'd rather, yeah,
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  I want consistency.
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  Yeah, consistency.
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  You're learning throughout the day.
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  You're getting potentially faster all day.
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  You know, Corey, you mentioned Palmer.
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  I could tell you again, I'm a very new driver.
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  So for me, the beginning.
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  Of Palmer to the end of the day at Palmer was night and day difference.
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  I learned so much this season just from that like weekend at Palmer that
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  I could tell you, yeah, I may have been, I was probably faster at the
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  end of the day, but the, the track is getting greasy or something, you know,
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  something goes wrong with the car.
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  Like I'm all about like, Hey, if you get out there at first
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  session, nine in the morning.
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  And you just ran a killer lap and you can't touch that for the rest of the day.
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  That should be your killer lap.
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  I
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  hear you on that.
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  Cause when I came to Emra to do time trials, I had already
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  been trialing with SCCA.
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  It was funny is somebody from Emra, one of the veterans that was there, he
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  said to me, and I was kind of like, I kept talking about how I was reaching.
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  I had this target time in my head and I'm keep reaching for it.
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  And you know, I'm just burning gas and tires at this point.
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  And he goes, he says to me, if you can't do it in nine laps, get off the track.
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  It's like, and you know, what's funny, I still hold that true to
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  this day, even if I'm at a DE and I'm just playing around with the car.
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  If I can't get done when I need to get done in nine laps, I'm off the track.
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  That's it.
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  It's not worth it at that point.
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  Cause you're just wasting time, fuel and energy.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  I
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  thought that was funny, but those are the things you pick up, right?
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  Every organization, every discipline of motorsport brings
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  something different to the table.
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  And this is one of those things I, you know, I'll never forget.
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  So this is great.
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  So there's like three different offerings here.
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  Club racing.
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  We kind of get what that is.
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  Bunch of cars going out class, running for points, time trials.
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  It's you against your buddies in your class against the clock.
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  It's qualifying.
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  It's like Ottercross, et cetera.
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  Then there's HPDE.
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  And I don't think a lot of people realize that Emra offers high
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  performance driver's education.
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  And to John's point earlier, your guy's goal is to transition people into more
• 18:58
  competitive racing, either time trials or.
• 19:01
  Or club racing.
• 19:03
  Let's talk about the DE side of Emra for a little bit, because
• 19:06
  that's where a lot of people are going to want to get their start.
• 19:09
  I think people may be a little bit arm's length to say, I want to go racing.
• 19:12
  There's a few of us that are nuts like me and Brad that would say,
• 19:15
  all right, let's just do it from the word go, but you know, you got to
• 19:18
  ingratiate people into the system, so let's expand upon your DE program.
• 19:22
  Let's talk about a little bit and get people familiar with what you offer.
• 19:26
  So basically what we offer is a student program.
• 19:29
  Student program does consist of classroom sessions and one
• 19:33
  on one instruction in car.
• 19:34
  And what we do is start the day with track etiquette.
• 19:37
  That'll be your first classroom session, safety, etiquette, understanding that
• 19:41
  you, you know, you need to see flaggers and flag stations and what the flags are.
• 19:45
  Your first time out with the instructor, you're now seeing
• 19:48
  this firsthand on the track.
• 19:49
  You come back in, we go back into the classroom session and Let's
• 19:53
  start working on your line and how you're going to drive on the track.
• 19:56
  You go back out with your instructor and they're, they're
• 19:58
  showing you that firsthand.
• 19:59
  So what we like to do is a one on one instructor to student.
• 20:03
  In your own vehicle.
• 20:04
  And it can be anything from a stock lease through a, you know, a prepped race car.
• 20:09
  If it's your first time out, we're going to stick you in the car with an
• 20:11
  instructor to go through this program.
• 20:13
  And we do this for a while.
• 20:14
  You know, we want to make sure that the instructors say like, Hey, you're
• 20:17
  okay for me not to be in the car.
• 20:19
  Now you understand weight transfer and, and, and lines and, and etiquette.
• 20:23
  And you're looking at the flaggers and you know what the flags mean, and you're
• 20:27
  getting more comfortable on the track.
• 20:28
  They'll take a step back to say, okay.
• 20:30
  You know, maybe it's now time for you for your novice license.
• 20:33
  What that means is you can go out by yourself.
• 20:35
  We're going to watch you, obviously, but you can get out there in our student group
• 20:38
  without an instructor in the car will eventually allow you to have a transponder
• 20:42
  in the car and you can start looking at your times and saying, Hey, you know,
• 20:45
  I'm beginning to get faster on the track.
• 20:47
  I'm beginning to understand how to drive.
• 20:49
  And that's what we try to do is, is mold you into a better driver.
• 20:52
  To eventually start running real time attack or time trials.
• 20:56
  And if you want to get into racing, we can sponsor you in our race program as well.
• 21:00
  You talked about track etiquette, and that's kind of
• 21:03
  a loaded term, which I like it.
• 21:04
  It's a great term, but I think inside of that, especially at Emra, the
• 21:09
  stress that I saw as a coach was.
• 21:12
  On passing passing is the most important thing because of the way your guys
• 21:16
  events are structured, especially when you move into competitive racing.
• 21:19
  So do you want to talk about that just a little bit more,
• 21:21
  you know, in our red student group, it's basically red is our
• 21:24
  novice and student group point to pass in designated zones only.
• 21:28
  And obviously Look out for a blue flag.
• 21:30
  You're holding up the crowd.
• 21:31
  You know that that's etiquette as well.
• 21:33
  Yeah, what we do is in our drivers meeting and in the classroom
• 21:35
  sessions at each track, we say, Hey, these are the designated zones
• 21:39
  that you're allowed to pass in.
• 21:40
  It has to be a point to pass.
• 21:42
  It's when you move up into the white group, which is your intermediate.
• 21:45
  There's other passing zones on these tracks, but we want to make sure
• 21:48
  that people are following where they're supposed to be passing
• 21:51
  and point to pass when they're supposed to be pointing people past.
• 21:55
  If you're pointing somebody past, don't drag race them to the end of
• 21:58
  the, the straight, let them pass.
• 21:59
  So these are the things that, that we need to police.
• 22:02
  And we do police because it's important, obviously safety on the track and for.
• 22:06
  All of us to learn, but
• 22:07
  eventually you move into open passing and passing with no point buys as well.
• 22:11
  Correct?
• 22:11
  Correct.
• 22:12
  Yeah.
• 22:12
  Once you step past that intermediate group into the blue
• 22:15
  group, that's the advanced group.
• 22:16
  Yes, that's open passing.
• 22:17
  We recommend having some sort of safety in the car.
• 22:22
  We'd like to see more than just a three point harness.
• 22:26
  And, you know, we'd like to see a, a harness bar, you know, at the very
• 22:29
  least with some sort of Hans device because factory cars are getting
• 22:33
  really, really fast and you're turning some real fast lap times.
• 22:38
  It can be dangerous.
• 22:40
  And so we want to keep it as safe as possible.
• 22:43
  We're recommending Hans device or something similar and
• 22:48
  harnesses and keeping it safe.
• 22:50
  We like to know who's in the blue group.
• 22:52
  They've been around us for at least a couple of years so
• 22:57
  that we've seen them on track.
• 22:58
  We, we know how they act and the people in the blue group, you know,
• 23:02
  all those advanced drivers, they know the other advanced drivers who are
• 23:06
  showing up to the track that day.
• 23:08
  If there's someone that, that you're passing in an area, you know, That
• 23:12
  you maybe, you know that person, you've seen him before and you say,
• 23:16
  you know what, I know this guy's lying through here and I'm not, I'm not
• 23:19
  going to try it right now, I'm going to wait until the next straightaway
• 23:22
  and I'm going to pass him over there.
• 23:24
  And I think that's part of that learning process and it's super important
• 23:28
  to take the car home in one piece.
• 23:30
  It's mutual respect too, you know, you, you mentioned the,
• 23:33
  the drivers know each other.
• 23:34
  I can tell you even in, I, I race in the, in the white group.
• 23:37
  And I can tell you that I know the people I'm competing with.
• 23:40
  I know who's faster than me.
• 23:42
  I know where they're going to overtake me in what corners.
• 23:45
  So it's mutual respect.
• 23:46
  You see someone coming up on you, you let them by.
• 23:48
  Again, especially in the time trial world, they're trying to lay down a fast lap.
• 23:52
  You don't want to get in their way.
• 23:53
  Same way.
• 23:54
  I'm running a great lap.
• 23:55
  I don't want someone in my way.
• 23:56
  So when you see someone popping up behind you, you give them the
• 23:58
  point by it's mutual respect.
• 24:00
  And you give it to them early.
• 24:02
  Absolutely.
• 24:02
  Absolutely.
• 24:03
  You know, you stay on your line, you point them by, they go on the outside.
• 24:07
  I mean, if you lose a tenth on that, you're golden, you know, keep going.
• 24:10
  Exactly.
• 24:11
  I want to clarify something for those that are listening.
• 24:13
  John, the instructed group, the coached group, the DE group is red.
• 24:18
  Once you transition out of red into white, now you're in a trials group.
• 24:23
  Is that correct?
• 24:24
  That is correct.
• 24:24
  Yes.
• 24:25
  The red group is both student and novice.
• 24:27
  It's the same people that are sitting in the classroom sessions on their
• 24:30
  first, second, third day out there.
• 24:32
  are going to be the people that are racing for their first season in the same group.
• 24:36
  So we keep the novice group together.
• 24:37
  If we notice somebody is getting more comfortable, we'll notice somebody
• 24:41
  is, is really pulling times, you know, that they're, they're getting better.
• 24:44
  They're learning.
• 24:45
  We may approach them and say, Hey, it's time for you to bump into.
• 24:48
  The white group, it's a little more aggressive in that white group.
• 24:50
  So maybe let's get an instructor to jump in your car for the first session
• 24:54
  and see if you're okay with that.
• 24:55
  If you're not comfortable moving, you can stay in the red group.
• 24:58
  You know, it's all about how comfortable you are and how safe you're being.
• 25:01
  And again, it's about respect on the track as well.
• 25:03
  So this means that your guys progression model is a little bit different than
• 25:07
  the standard DE organization, because as you move from that introductory group
• 25:11
  into intermediate, as you guys call it, or white group, now you're racing.
• 25:14
  It's you against the clock, against the buddies in your class, right?
• 25:17
  As you said, you know who you're competing against, you know who's fast on track.
• 25:20
  So how does somebody then progress from there up into, let's say, blue
• 25:25
  group, the advanced group, or even become an instructor with an EMRA?
• 25:28
  What's that model look like?
• 25:29
  Because it is slightly different than the way everybody else handles it.
• 25:33
  It definitely still takes some time.
• 25:35
  We feel that the people who are coming to EMRA know that, that we are a time trial
• 25:40
  group, that our focus is on competition.
• 25:43
  We like for the students to have at least two instructors ride with them.
• 25:48
  If the first instructor signs them off, then we say, Okay, let's see how another
• 25:53
  instructor feels you are in the car just to get a, you know, a different sample.
• 25:58
  You get signed off to run solo.
• 26:00
  We want to see you have, you know, no incidents, no
• 26:03
  infractions for three events.
• 26:05
  Then you'll get that novice license.
• 26:07
  So after that year, we'll see how you feel, how comfortable you are.
• 26:12
  Where you're at with your car a lot of the thing that is difficult with the
• 26:16
  intermediate group Is that you have guys who are fresh out of the red group?
• 26:22
  And then you have guys who are in there or you know guys or girls
• 26:26
  who are in there who are ready to step up Into the advanced group.
• 26:30
  It's a really big gap between the driver experience Sometimes you know,
• 26:36
  you could have a a car in there.
• 26:38
  That's a spec miata You You know, and then you have a car in there that's
• 26:43
  a Z06 Corvette that's hugely faster.
• 26:47
  And so that's the multi class type of thing is what you really are
• 26:51
  learning in the lower classes.
• 26:53
  I'm gonna jump in and also say that certain tracks, drivers may
• 26:57
  be in different groups as well.
• 26:58
  When I first started running in the white group, if we went to a track
• 27:02
  that I've never been at before, I'm not gonna run in the white group.
• 27:05
  My first session out, I'm going to run in the red group.
• 27:07
  I'm learning the track.
• 27:08
  I'm learning the corners.
• 27:09
  I don't need to hold anybody else up in the white group while I'm
• 27:12
  learning the track, but the same regard, I'm not going to be flying
• 27:15
  up on people in the red group.
• 27:16
  Cause I know they're students.
• 27:17
  That makes absolute sense.
• 27:18
  Yeah.
• 27:19
  And
• 27:19
  maybe you want to request the, you know, an instructor.
• 27:22
  Hey, you know, can you show me the line?
• 27:24
  We like that one on one and we like for everybody to have an instructor and then,
• 27:30
  you know, so after that first sessions, you, you come back to the classroom, you
• 27:35
  talk about what happened, you discuss it and were there anything that you
• 27:40
  thought that was Maybe alarming or you weren't comfortable with or were there
• 27:44
  other things that you were surprised that you acclimated so quickly to and
• 27:49
  what they what your experience was because you know you you talk about it
• 27:53
  and you're excited about it and that's all part of the learning process.
• 27:57
  People will stay in the white group.
• 28:00
  Some people will stay in that group indefinitely.
• 28:03
  They like it there.
• 28:04
  They don't want to do anything else to their car.
• 28:06
  They really, they don't feel that they need that added safety because
• 28:10
  they're not trying to go much faster than they're already going.
• 28:15
  And we're, you know, we're okay with that.
• 28:17
  That makes the group sort of gel because there are veterans there that the new
• 28:22
  guys can talk to and say, you know, what are you, are you seeing anything from me?
• 28:27
  And, and everybody's pretty open about that family type atmosphere, but he's open
• 28:32
  about, Oh, well, this is what I'm seeing.
• 28:34
  You know, this is when I came up on you or when you came up on me and.
• 28:39
  You know, you're maybe breaking a little bit too early for this.
• 28:43
  I think you can go deeper.
• 28:44
  And so that sharing of information and that camaraderie, it really
• 28:49
  helped to get back to your question.
• 28:51
  If you want to become an instructor with us, you'll need to be at least
• 28:55
  with us for a couple of years.
• 28:57
  And we need to, to really know how you drive on track.
• 29:02
  We'll have instructors sit with you and then we'll have you sit as the
• 29:06
  instructor with one of our instructors and then play that back and forth.
• 29:11
  Our new classroom instructor, Bill O'Brien.
• 29:13
  He's super good.
• 29:15
  He's down from your guy's area, actually Summit Point.
• 29:18
  He's a spec me out a driver and he's.
• 29:20
  Huge powerpoint with so many different points and we go over so many different
• 29:26
  things It's hard to really take everything from the classroom session in on one day
• 29:31
  You know, I mean they go over everything from the green flag to the moss line.
• 29:36
  It's like it's so broad You're like holy crap, you know This is too much
• 29:41
  information to take in so we recommend what what we think what new drivers
• 29:46
  should do and Sitting in on the classroom a second time to me more information
• 29:51
  is always better It's a very difficult day when when you're on that first
• 29:55
  day you're learning so much and you're so amped and you don't know what to
• 29:59
  expect that I feel like Sitting in on that classroom session the next time
• 30:04
  you come or the third time you come you'll pick up You Even more information
• 30:08
  because you know what to expect.
• 30:10
  You're not thinking about what's going to happen with my car when I get in my car.
• 30:15
  Who's my instructor going to be all of these different things.
• 30:18
  And you can really sort of focus on the information and
• 30:20
  I think you get a lot more.
• 30:22
  And I think there's a couple really good points you made in that, that we need to
• 30:25
  unpack and clarify for people that are listening to this and kind of comparing
• 30:29
  it to a standard DE type of organization or even a club racing organization.
• 30:33
  When you move into that white group, you made a comment about how some
• 30:37
  people seem to stay there forever.
• 30:39
  The first thing that came to my mind was it makes 100 percent sense
• 30:42
  if you're playing the points game.
• 30:44
  If you're in a class, in a competitive class, and you know that if you
• 30:48
  do something, the car is going to move you out of that class.
• 30:50
  Or if you move into this other group, it's going to mess up.
• 30:53
  You have your target time that you know you can achieve.
• 30:55
  It's messing with your points, especially if you're competing for a championship.
• 30:59
  So when you get into that mindset on the competitive side of the house, it.
• 31:03
  It's a big game of chess.
• 31:04
  It's not about being the fastest car on track every weekend.
• 31:07
  It's about being consistent.
• 31:09
  It's about getting your points because you're going to
• 31:10
  beat out the guy at the end.
• 31:12
  He had the fastest lap this weekend, but he only showed up for one
• 31:15
  event and you did three, right?
• 31:16
  And so you've, you've nailed it at that point.
• 31:18
  So there's a lot more dynamics.
• 31:20
  To this whole, let's call it game, then what you would have in a standard
• 31:24
  progression model where it's like, I got to get to advanced group so I can just be
• 31:27
  left alone and drive it my fastest I can ever drive kind of doesn't really matter.
• 31:31
  It doesn't really matter.
• 31:32
  Right.
• 31:32
  From what we've witnessed, a lot of groups in EMRA are actually based on how
• 31:37
  the person has prepared their vehicle.
• 31:39
  Like you said, is it a street car?
• 31:41
  Or is it a full on race car, you know, TTU car, STM car or something like that,
• 31:46
  where it's like, yeah, it's fully prepped.
• 31:47
  It doesn't belong with pedestrian vehicles.
• 31:50
  You know what I mean?
• 31:51
  Let's put it that way.
• 31:53
  Touching a lot of different things.
• 31:54
  Even the coaching is different.
• 31:55
  Like when I was coaching for Emra in the 2018 season, I actually really
• 31:59
  enjoyed it because it was the time where I got to sit down and strategize.
• 32:03
  With other drivers and say, this is how I can make you faster.
• 32:06
  There's still the safety aspect in all of this, but it's very different in a
• 32:10
  standard organization where you're just like, okay, we're going to be safe.
• 32:14
  We're going to have fun.
• 32:15
  And if you learn something, that's awesome.
• 32:17
  Instead at Emra, it's like, let me teach you how to take turn 10 at some point
• 32:21
  at 90 miles an hour, flat out, right.
• 32:23
  In a Miata, you know, that kind of thing.
• 32:24
  And that's exciting.
• 32:25
  That's exciting for everybody because it's a different way of teaching.
• 32:28
  If you want to.
• 32:29
  Develops you as a driver.
• 32:30
  If you want to.
• 32:30
  Absolutely.
• 32:31
  If
• 32:31
  you want to.
• 32:32
  Absolutely.
• 32:33
  But I'm segwaying here.
• 32:35
  I know this is a long way for me to get there, but there's
• 32:38
  always that safety aspect, right?
• 32:40
  We need to be cognizant of that.
• 32:42
  You know, the growing trend nowadays.
• 32:44
  In the D E world is this idea of track insurance.
• 32:47
  And I only bring it up because I want to make sure that people understand.
• 32:52
  We have had locked in on here.
• 32:53
  We had a representative come on and explain to us how it works.
• 32:56
  And so I want people to know that the minute you put the transponder on
• 33:00
  the car, you're no longer at a D E.
• 33:03
  So it's very important to understand that red group and how it works at Emra.
• 33:08
  So if you're there learning and doing the D E stuff, you're not running
• 33:11
  against the clock, you're covered.
• 33:13
  But the minute you move out and you put timing on it, now you're racing.
• 33:16
  It's very, very different.
• 33:18
  So I just wanted to kind of throw that out there so that people understand that,
• 33:21
  but also leads to get another question, which is if I do want to go racing, what
• 33:26
  kind of additional equipment do I need?
• 33:28
  Are transponders provided?
• 33:30
  What should I be buying?
• 33:31
  What should I be looking for?
• 33:32
  You know, things like that.
• 33:34
  You're absolutely right.
• 33:35
  It's track insurance.
• 33:36
  Once it becomes a competitive event, track insurance for the
• 33:39
  competitor is much more expensive.
• 33:42
  Yeah.
• 33:42
  It's more expensive for us as well to hold a competitive event.
• 33:46
  You know, our track insurance that we have to get.
• 33:49
  You know, it's not like a non competitive day.
• 33:52
  Like, you can just kind of, Oh yeah, we're just going to be out of the
• 33:55
  track, where nobody's competing.
• 33:57
  Like you said, once you put that transponder on the car and you're
• 34:00
  posting times up and giving out trophies, it's a whole different ballgame.
• 34:05
  So there's also people who run
• 34:07
  in white and blue.
• 34:08
  That don't use transponders.
• 34:09
  They're out there, they're competing, quote unquote, but
• 34:13
  they're not looking at times.
• 34:14
  They're out there just to chase down people and enjoying just
• 34:17
  being in the faster groups.
• 34:19
  So that would still qualify for track insurance if there was an
• 34:22
  oops moment, let's just say, because they're not officially competing.
• 34:25
  They just happen to be in a run group that has a lot of competitors in it.
• 34:28
  For those that want to transition to time trials, right?
• 34:31
  To time attack.
• 34:33
  We all know the safety stuff.
• 34:35
  We've got to buy belts and harnesses and fire extinguishers and all
• 34:37
  that fun stuff that we should have.
• 34:38
  Anyway, if we're really dedicated to this motor sport, whether it be
• 34:41
  club racing, D E or time trials for that matter, but what extra do you
• 34:46
  need for time trials specifically,
• 34:48
  you don't really need much.
• 34:49
  If your car passes tech.
• 34:51
  All you need is a transponder.
• 34:53
  We're going to try and get you in the right class and
• 34:56
  you're going to be competing.
• 34:58
  It could be that easy.
• 34:59
  Once you start to look at the rules and people will come and they'll,
• 35:05
  you'll see a car in your class, they'll just be so much faster than you.
• 35:09
  And you're like, how the heck is that possible?
• 35:12
  How can this be in my group?
• 35:14
  You start looking at the rules and, oh, well, his tires have a 200 tread wear or
• 35:21
  got a dedicated set of wheels and tires and taken some weight out or, or links
• 35:27
  across the car replaced, which are free.
• 35:30
  The rules were updated last year.
• 35:32
  We thought we needed a refresh.
• 35:34
  We worked with a, a guy, Mario, and we were able to keep the rule book
• 35:41
  short so that it's not huge volume that no one's ever gonna read.
• 35:45
  But Emory sort of created the improved touring type of classification,
• 35:51
  which is very minimal if any power modifiers talking about.
• 35:56
  Just a simple intake and exhaust.
• 35:59
  You got to keep all the mechanicals in the engine factory stock and the brakes
• 36:03
  factory stock and can't move the battery around and different things like that.
• 36:07
  We had a little bit of modifications to that, like allowing fender
• 36:12
  flares or rolling of the fender.
• 36:13
  Fenders and different lightning mods and stuff like that.
• 36:17
  You know, suspension is pre, as long as you use the stock mounting locations.
• 36:22
  But as technology progressed, you were able to get like wicked, awesome stuff
• 36:29
  in those stock locations that completely changed, you know, the dynamic of
• 36:34
  the car, where you were just putting a Kony or a Bilstein up in there.
• 36:38
  Now you're putting a three way adjustable remote reservoir in the
• 36:42
  same thing, and you're like, well, I bolted it to where the Bilstein bolted,
• 36:47
  so, you know, that's fair, right?
• 36:49
  We've changed a lot, and we got the car classifications
• 36:54
  list, and it's ever growing.
• 36:57
  You know, there's always new cars coming out, and You have to
• 37:01
  have, like, 10 different classes just for Corvettes, let's say.
• 37:05
  Because even this year, you have the C7, the Stingray, the Z06, and the C8.
• 37:12
  What the hell?
• 37:13
  They're all in different classes.
• 37:15
  You know, they all have different abilities and different speeds.
• 37:18
  It's a difficult game.
• 37:20
  We have a good points system for it, and we're confident that this
• 37:25
  year it has worked pretty well.
• 37:28
  And the cars are becoming, you know, more fair.
• 37:31
  I think that based on sometimes we may start to require safety because
• 37:36
  we've seen a couple of bad incidents, not just within our own group, but
• 37:41
  within other groups with the community.
• 37:44
  There was A couple of bad crashes with NASA as well this year.
• 37:48
  Thankfully everybody's okay, but it really begs the question, you know, how much
• 37:53
  safety, how fast are you going, and how much safety do you really need in the car?
• 37:57
  The
• 37:57
  cars
• 37:58
  are getting
• 37:58
  so fast now.
• 37:59
  So fast.
• 38:00
  Yeah, I always say like, Hey, a stock, you know, civic type bar from the
• 38:05
  factory, change your brake fluid.
• 38:07
  You're out on track and you're going fast in that car.
• 38:09
  Yeah.
• 38:09
  I mean, your mom's Camry makes 300 horsepower these days.
• 38:12
  So just put that in perspective.
• 38:14
  So going back to something you mentioned several times, Corey, you
• 38:17
  don't need much to do time trials, but you do need a transponder.
• 38:21
  What our guests and our audience can't see is I'm holding my, my laps in my hand,
• 38:26
  and a lot of people are probably thinking, Oh man, this must be some big old box.
• 38:30
  I got a mount in the trunk with antennas.
• 38:32
  So I look like a cop car or something from IMSA or, you know, something like that.
• 38:36
  And in reality, this thing's about the size of an old flip phone and you mount
• 38:40
  it pretty much anywhere in the car.
• 38:41
  It's, you know, remote charge, remote signal, all that kind of stuff.
• 38:45
  And you put this somewhere in the vehicle and it reports to the tower at the track
• 38:48
  and basically gives you guys position and time of every lap of where each car is.
• 38:54
  And so the investment in one of these.
• 38:56
  You know, depending on what you want to do, if you want to buy one, especially
• 38:59
  one of the old school ones, you know, go on eBay, the prices are really high
• 39:03
  for a hardwired one, the new, my laps, you know, they're pretty much, I'd hate
• 39:07
  to say the only game in town for this sort of thing, but it's what everybody
• 39:09
  uses for both motorcycles and cars.
• 39:12
  It's a subscription based service.
• 39:13
  They almost throw this thing at your head.
• 39:15
  But you got to pay the license fee for every year.
• 39:19
  And they do some promotions and whatnot.
• 39:21
  Let's call it, I think the last time I renewed, it was like a hundred bucks
• 39:24
  for a year or something like that.
• 39:25
  But don't quote, don't quote me on it.
• 39:26
  Right.
• 39:27
  So it fluctuates from time to time.
• 39:29
  So you're in it for an extra, let's say a hundred bucks, 200 at worst
• 39:33
  to go racing, not doing anything else to your car, like you're saying
• 39:37
  outside of maybe some safety stuff.
• 39:38
  Maybe you want to have a fire extinguisher with you, better tires, you'll break stuff
• 39:42
  that you'd be spending money on at a DE.
• 39:44
  Anyway, so to be official, you need one of these little boxes, right?
• 39:48
  And that's your point is all you really need to go competitive time
• 39:52
  trialing at the end of the day.
• 39:53
  Yeah.
• 39:54
  Yeah.
• 39:54
  What's
• 39:54
  nice also is with registration, we also rent transponders as
• 39:57
  well, if you don't own one.
• 39:58
  So we have a bunch of those that we pay the subscription on every
• 40:01
  year, and when you get to the track.
• 40:03
  We assign you a transponder with a mount, a couple of zip ties, right
• 40:07
  onto tow hook, your front bumper, wherever you want to drop that.
• 40:10
  And you can start timing your car.
• 40:12
  That's right.
• 40:13
  Now I will say in car is really up to you these days.
• 40:16
  There's a lot of really cool options that we talked about them on our
• 40:18
  drive thru episode, a couple of times.
• 40:20
  You've got the new Garmin that just came out.
• 40:22
  You've got the traditional, the aim solos.
• 40:24
  You've got guys using their phones, using Harry's and track
• 40:27
  addict and things like that.
• 40:28
  So.
• 40:29
  For in car feedback, guys, just understand that the my laps is not
• 40:32
  designed to give you immediate feedback.
• 40:35
  It is designed to talk to the tower at the racetrack and give officials
• 40:39
  your time and position on track.
• 40:41
  So if you're looking for something in car, there's a lot of different options
• 40:45
  and I can't suggest one versus the other.
• 40:46
  Cheers.
• 40:47
  Cause they all provide a different feedback and different training,
• 40:50
  especially the new Garmin was developed to give immediate feedback
• 40:54
  and give training and things like that versus some of the older like
• 40:56
  legacy tools that are out there.
• 40:58
  So lots of other stuff, you know, once you don't have an instructor
• 41:01
  in the right seat with you anymore, to try to help you become a faster
• 41:05
  driver and a better time trialer.
• 41:07
  Absolutely.
• 41:08
  To be clear, we couldn't accept times from your, from your Yeah,
• 41:14
  exactly.
• 41:16
  We need an, you know, we need an official time score and
• 41:21
  that's what the transponder is.
• 41:22
  So that's for us and you can watch it live.
• 41:25
  I mean, we have a few different dreaming, you know, race hero and
• 41:29
  different things where you'll be able to see your times as they come through.
• 41:34
  You know, once you pull back into the pits, it'll have your session.
• 41:37
  It's instant.
• 41:38
  Which is also hilarious when you have friends and family at home, especially
• 41:42
  your wife texting you going, well, that session sucked for you, didn't it?
• 41:47
  Race hero is awesome for that.
• 41:49
  You know, that, that positive feedback.
• 41:52
  Hopefully your wife's at the track having a picnic though, while you're out.
• 41:56
  Sometimes.
• 41:56
  Yes.
• 41:56
  But otherwise she's on, she's on race here or watching from home,
• 41:59
  but still it's, it's kind of cool to have that ability, right?
• 42:02
  for so your friends can see what you're doing.
• 42:04
  It
• 42:04
  wasn't that long ago where it was with stopwatches and writing stuff down.
• 42:10
  And we had a bunch of volunteers, Marty Barnett and Callie and Ginny and
• 42:16
  Caroline, and they, they would have their stopwatches and you'd be waiting,
• 42:20
  standing, waiting for them to come out with the sheet to see where you were and.
• 42:24
  It's so crazy how much it's changed in in such a short amount of time.
• 42:29
  Technology has been a good thing for time trials.
• 42:32
  That's for sure.
• 42:32
  I can't say that for a lot of other things, but in this case,
• 42:35
  it has really, really helped.
• 42:37
  But I think there's one one final question Brad has about kind of
• 42:40
  the structure of Emron, how you run your weekend and how things work.
• 42:43
  And I think it's a little bit more in line with what With coaching before
• 42:46
  we transition to our next segment.
• 42:48
  So Brad,
• 42:48
  first of all, with the coaching.
• 42:50
  So you mentioned before that you want to coach with Emra.
• 42:52
  You need to be with Emra for a while.
• 42:54
  So is that to say that you don't accept certifications from reputable, uh, other
• 42:59
  groups like SCCA or NASA or PCA or BMW, or even motor sports safety foundation?
• 43:06
  Do you take those credentials?
• 43:08
  And give them any way when you're trying to decide if you're going to
• 43:11
  allow somebody to coach with you.
• 43:12
  Yeah.
• 43:12
  Is there any reciprocity there?
• 43:14
  I think is what Brad's getting at.
• 43:15
  Yeah, we absolutely accept that and we welcome it.
• 43:19
  The instructors that we get from, especially from the safety council,
• 43:24
  that's You know, that's like first and foremost, it's just, it's amazing.
• 43:28
  And those guys are there, you know, they're great.
• 43:31
  We offer obviously discounts and different things for instructors who come along.
• 43:37
  Typically instructors that come from other places.
• 43:40
  We'd like to know you a little bit before we would allow you into
• 43:44
  any of our run groups because of that, that whole safety thing.
• 43:49
  And.
• 43:49
  Who are you running with?
• 43:50
  And what are you used to?
• 43:52
  Because we don't know how you drive, but you know, instructors
• 43:55
  can go out in any session.
• 43:57
  If we know who you are, you know, hey, you're here, you're doing work for us,
• 44:01
  and you go out and have fun whenever you have the time available to you.
• 44:05
  to you during the day to go and do that.
• 44:07
  We absolutely accept all credentials and all licensing.
• 44:12
  You know, even if you have a time trial license with NASA or even a HPD one or
• 44:18
  two or three with NASA, you know, we'll try to put you in the group that we'll,
• 44:22
  we feel that you're most comfortable with.
• 44:24
  And if we say, Hey, listen, we, we don't really know you, you don't
• 44:27
  really have a lot going on, but.
• 44:29
  So, you know, we can see, you know, another thing for technology is we can
• 44:33
  see where you registered and who you ran with and when the last time that
• 44:38
  you ran an event was so it's like, well, okay, so we'll put you in the red group
• 44:43
  for now, and come talk to registration or one of the group leaders, because
• 44:48
  each one group has a has a group leader that anybody in the group can go to.
• 44:53
  During the day with any questions or concerns, and you think maybe you're a
• 44:58
  little too advanced for this group, or maybe the group is too advanced for you.
• 45:02
  Listen, I'd like to step down or I'd like to step up.
• 45:05
  What do you think about that?
• 45:06
  And this happened just at New Jersey.
• 45:09
  We had a gentleman come to run with us and we didn't know his credentials
• 45:14
  and we had him in the red group.
• 45:15
  And one of our other drivers knew him said, Oh, you know, I know this
• 45:21
  guy we've run together and we've different events and stuff, and I think
• 45:25
  that he's ready for the white group.
• 45:27
  So we moved him up.
• 45:28
  And after that first session, it was.
• 45:30
  Like okay, the corner workers didn't tell us, you know, hey that car number Whatever
• 45:36
  was doing some crazy stuff We asked him if he felt comfortable and and he wasn't
• 45:41
  so that was that was where he stayed.
• 45:43
  So Most of the basic points are there with all the instructors We would accept them
• 45:52
  Signing off on people as well, but then again, we would have one of our regular
• 45:57
  instructors also go to sit in the car with someone before we would let them go
• 46:02
  solo and just to make sure that they're on par with our sort of way of doing things.
• 46:08
  So I want to pull a couple of threads there for instructors and coaches
• 46:11
  that may be listening to this episode.
• 46:13
  It's something you hit on and something I know I've experienced
• 46:17
  working with them around the past.
• 46:19
  Everybody pays to play.
• 46:21
  So that's really important because coaches have come accustomed to a certain
• 46:25
  way of being, I will put it that way.
• 46:27
  I don't mind it because to your point, John earlier,
• 46:30
  it's a nonprofit organization.
• 46:32
  The bill's got to get paid.
• 46:33
  So I don't mind throwing in and saying, Hey, it's going to cost X for the
• 46:36
  weekend, even if it's at a discount.
• 46:38
  But the upside of that is.
• 46:39
  Coaches get to
• 46:41
  go anywhere they want
• 46:42
  and they get to compete as well, right?
• 46:45
  So that is correct.
• 46:46
  Yeah.
• 46:46
  So you're racing as well.
• 46:47
  So that's kind of an added bonus is you're giving back, you're
• 46:50
  teaching, you're prepping other, you know, potential racers and whatnot.
• 46:54
  You still got to pay to play because you are a competitor as well.
• 46:57
  So that's really important, but let's talk about expectations
• 47:00
  of the coach during today.
• 47:01
  What's the student to coach ratio, you know, things like that.
• 47:03
  Are there anything else special to Emra That coaches should be aware of coming
• 47:08
  to the organization for the first time.
• 47:10
  We expect the coaches to be interactive with the student most of
• 47:14
  the day, on track, off track as well.
• 47:18
  Answer any questions that they might have.
• 47:20
  Go ahead, John.
• 47:21
  Yeah, I was gonna say share the experience.
• 47:22
  Again, you're learning something in the classroom.
• 47:24
  You're looking at a, at a PowerPoint deck.
• 47:26
  When you get out onto the track, you're experiencing it.
• 47:28
  To be able to share that experience and, and to coach through that
• 47:31
  experience is what we're looking for.
• 47:33
  Yeah.
• 47:33
  We want the coaches to make the students feel as though they're
• 47:37
  important to them during the day.
• 47:39
  Cause in the past it's, you know, there's been instructors who are
• 47:43
  like, Oh, I gotta, I gotta go, you know, my sessions coming up.
• 47:46
  Well, listen, this isn't your only session.
• 47:48
  You can go and run in any session you want.
• 47:51
  Take the time and, and help to groom them.
• 47:53
  Cause we want them to be happy.
• 47:55
  And we, we want them to enjoy the experience and to get something out of it.
• 48:00
  If they want to continue, we want them to continue with us.
• 48:03
  And you never know that guy that you're teaching might become your rival,
• 48:06
  might end up in your class, right?
• 48:08
  And who knows, might actually beat you, get that hot lap that one day, you know?
• 48:11
  And it's, so it's a one to one ratio.
• 48:14
  You've mentioned the ratio before.
• 48:16
  We have a, an instructor one to one with a student.
• 48:19
  That instructor is assigned to the student all day.
• 48:21
  Yeah, we'll go through the registrations and we'll sort of see what the vehicle
• 48:26
  is that they're bringing and what their prior experience was, if any, and then
• 48:32
  we'll assign them and the instructor will have an interaction with them
• 48:38
  even before the event, just to kind of say hello, familiarize themselves and.
• 48:43
  You know, tell them what to look for when they get there.
• 48:46
  Like I had said before, it's a, it's a lot in one morning, you're like nervous
• 48:51
  and you got all this tension and.
• 48:54
  I'm going here.
• 48:54
  I got to register.
• 48:55
  I got to get my car tech.
• 48:57
  I got to meet my instructor and then I got to go to the classroom and it's like
• 49:01
  it's just, you know, information overload.
• 49:04
  And so we want to try and make that experience as easy as possible.
• 49:08
  So 1 last thing about this experience.
• 49:10
  Are there students evals and are there instructor evals, you know, vice versa
• 49:14
  where people are grading each other.
• 49:15
  And if so, how does that work?
• 49:17
  Absolutely.
• 49:17
  John, you want to touch on that?
• 49:19
  You know the system better than I, but yeah, yeah, go for it.
• 49:23
  It's an automated system where the emails will be sent to both the instructor
• 49:29
  and the, the student for the day, as well as there is a sign off sheet for
• 49:35
  the student that the instructor and the student both will fill out together before
• 49:40
  they hand it in at the end of the day.
• 49:42
  Emails
• 49:43
  go out.
• 49:43
  They're basically surveys.
• 49:44
  They go out after the event, but the sheet gets filled out the day of the event.
• 49:48
  It's anonymous.
• 49:50
  It's only anonymous because we don't share that information with
• 49:55
  the instructor or the student.
• 49:57
  It's really for us, and maybe if there are concerns.
• 50:01
  and things.
• 50:02
  We'll discuss it with the instructor and the student the
• 50:05
  next time that they show up.
• 50:07
  Because we don't want people to hold back if something
• 50:09
  happened that you didn't like.
• 50:11
  By the same token, you want people to also say what they enjoyed, you know?
• 50:14
  You want to have that positive feeling, that positive vibe that
• 50:18
  Hey, you know, this was great.
• 50:20
  I had so much freaking fun structure was great.
• 50:23
  And I'm coming back.
• 50:24
  A couple of our instructors are super awesome and we always
• 50:28
  get great evals from them.
• 50:29
  You know, they have great feedback and you know, what can you say?
• 50:33
  You just say, Hey, instructor of the weekend, you know,
• 50:39
  I think we've done a really good job of covering.
• 50:41
  To your point, the vibe, the field, the way Emra is and how you guys operate.
• 50:46
  So I think it's time we transition a little bit and, you know, we've got
• 50:49
  guys now listening to this going, you know what, I want to give Emra a go.
• 50:53
  So now we need to get down to the nitty gritty.
• 50:55
  And so I'm going to turn to Brad for some follow on questions.
• 50:58
  Yeah.
• 50:58
  So I'm new to Emra.
• 51:00
  I've never run with you guys before.
• 51:02
  I mean, I have, I'm just pretending.
• 51:04
  He's role playing now.
• 51:06
  Where do I find an Emra event?
• 51:08
  How do I register?
• 51:09
  Where do I register?
• 51:11
  Yeah.
• 51:11
  So you can find us on any of the social media channels, uh, at Emra
• 51:14
  racing on Instagram slash Emra racing on Facebook, Emra racing.
• 51:19
  org on the worldwide web, but if you go to Emra racing.
• 51:22
  org slash events, we will show the events for the season included in
• 51:26
  your, uh, your, uh, your, uh, your Your registration now is photography.
• 51:29
  So you'll see all the past event on the site as well.
• 51:32
  But yeah, you can find us, you know, that way.
• 51:33
  Do
• 51:34
  you register through Emera's website or do you use something
• 51:36
  like MSR or club registration?
• 51:38
  So
• 51:38
  we're, we're using a MSR.
• 51:41
  Motorsports Reg for those that aren't familiar, right?
• 51:43
  Yeah.
• 51:43
  And the
• 51:44
  link, the link for all the events, you know, on the webpage, it
• 51:48
  will link directly to MS Reg.
• 51:51
  Most of us have a, an MS Reg account.
• 51:54
  At this point and you just type in Eem a, all the events that are
• 51:59
  available to register for will show up.
• 52:02
  Okay.
• 52:02
  And then so what's the average cost for a weekend at a, at an Eem R event?
• 52:06
  So it depends on the track.
• 52:07
  Obviously we mentioned before prices are going up.
• 52:10
  There are more expensive tracks, less expensive tracks.
• 52:13
  What we try to do is estimate the potential turnout.
• 52:16
  Based on previous years, divide that by what it costs us.
• 52:19
  And that's what it's going to cost for the day or the weekend.
• 52:21
  Typical events going to cost you between 275 to 325 for the day.
• 52:26
  Try to reduce that if you come for the weekend.
• 52:28
  So anywhere between let's call it six 50, 700 for the weekend.
• 52:33
  Certain tracks are cheaper than that, but we're able to bring the cost down.
• 52:36
  On top of that, again, if you want to rent a transponder.
• 52:39
  I believe it's 40 for the day, 60 for the weekend.
• 52:43
  You mentioned that, you know, you're concentrated in the tri state area,
• 52:46
  you know, I guess up there near, near Lime Rock and, you know, those type of
• 52:51
  tracks up there, what would you consider your home track or your home base?
• 52:54
  Yeah.
• 52:54
  Where you have the most events per year, I guess.
• 52:57
  Bridgehampton.
• 52:57
  No, no.
• 52:58
  Um,
• 53:01
  I think at this point it would have to be either Lime Rock
• 53:05
  or New Jersey Motorsports.
• 53:06
  I think at this point our premier event of the season has
• 53:10
  become New Jersey Motorsports.
• 53:11
  We do something unique there, which is Lightning one day,
• 53:15
  Thunderbolt the next day.
• 53:16
  So we're able to split that up.
• 53:17
  We now do go karting on Saturday night.
• 53:20
  Try to, uh, Break things up, get everybody in a, in a spec cart, you
• 53:23
  know, get everybody out there together.
• 53:26
  Don't walk over to the go karts with a beer in your hand, though.
• 53:30
  Whatever you do,
• 53:31
  no beer in your hand.
• 53:33
  Everybody comes walking over with a beer and they're like, you can't go.
• 53:36
  You can't go.
• 53:37
  You can't go.
• 53:38
  We're like, what?
• 53:40
  Yeah, so that weekend is it really is a great event, you know, I wish
• 53:44
  I had it on video But man, it is funny watching everybody go from like
• 53:48
  lightning over to Thunderbolt It's like half put together trailers and
• 53:52
  cars hanging off This train of cars and trailers coming through is is awesome
• 53:58
  I would call that our premiere event But I do think that probably
• 54:03
  Lime Rock is our home track because we're doing two events there a year
• 54:07
  And we're gonna also incorporate the autocross and the skid pad.
• 54:12
  The morning will be the autocross and the skid pad, and then we'll
• 54:17
  go on track from one to six.
• 54:19
  A very quick day.
• 54:21
  You'll have five 20 minute sessions.
• 54:23
  in that time and we'll run them quick, they're gonna run like clockwork.
• 54:28
  It's a lot of fun and it adds a bit of variety to the events.
• 54:32
  I'd
• 54:32
  say Lime Rock's a little rushed with five 20 minute sessions.
• 54:36
  Typically you get a little more track time, it's closer to two hours of
• 54:39
  track time in the full day events.
• 54:42
  I've looked at your schedule.
• 54:43
  I've picked NJMP because I like Thunderbolt.
• 54:46
  So I'm picking that Sunday.
• 54:48
  I'll probably come out Saturday for go karting.
• 54:50
  What do I need to do now?
• 54:52
  Do I just show up and I can drive?
• 54:53
  Do you guys do tech?
• 54:55
  Not everybody does tech, but if you're a racing organization, I'm assuming that
• 54:59
  you guys do, and what's involved with tech, what are the drivers need to know?
• 55:02
  So every car gets tech.
• 55:04
  that goes out on track.
• 55:05
  I could speak for at least the personal safety, long sleeve shirt,
• 55:09
  closed toe shoes, long pants.
• 55:11
  Corey, you did tech, man.
• 55:12
  You should take over on this one.
• 55:14
  It's a pretty rigorous test because the car is going to be out there
• 55:17
  doing things it's not normally doing.
• 55:21
  You know, every day you have a race car or a dedicated track
• 55:25
  car that we issue a log book.
• 55:28
  And we'll do a season tech on that, which is once a year.
• 55:31
  And then you just kind of come over with your helmet and your log book.
• 55:34
  And you say, Hey, I'm here.
• 55:36
  I'm checking in and get you a sticker and, and you'll be good to go.
• 55:40
  But for the other cars, you know, when you show up, you'll go to
• 55:43
  registration and you'll be contacted prior to showing up by the registrar.
• 55:48
  If there's any questions from him or.
• 55:50
  Also, just to give you the information packet to familiarize yourself with
• 55:54
  what the schedule of the day is going to be and where you know where to
• 55:58
  go, there'll be a map of the track and the paddock and everything.
• 56:02
  And it'll point out where registration and tech is going to be.
• 56:05
  You'll go through that.
• 56:06
  You can line your car up at tech inspection.
• 56:09
  There's usually.
• 56:11
  Three or four guys there who are looking over the cars.
• 56:14
  So you have to empty your car out, nothing in it.
• 56:17
  We even require you to take out the floor mats, which some people have a problem
• 56:21
  with because floor mats today, they're, they're molded in and they got hooks.
• 56:25
  And if something happened, God forbid a hook broke or something,
• 56:30
  and that mat bunched up onto your brake pedal, you couldn't get the
• 56:34
  pedal pressure that you needed.
• 56:36
  When you needed it something bad might happen.
• 56:38
  So everything comes out if you're gonna do some sort of in car video Or things like
• 56:44
  that You're gonna need a tether on that camera I know cameras are getting smaller
• 56:49
  and smaller and probably if it's gonna hit you in the head with your helmet on You're
• 56:54
  not even gonna feel it at this point But we still do require a tether because we
• 56:58
  don't want you to get hurt in that regard So then we'll check the battery You
• 57:02
  want to look for any sort of open wires.
• 57:05
  We need the positive side covered that it's securely mounted.
• 57:09
  And this is just for DE sort of stuff.
• 57:12
  Then we'll check, you know, that the wheels are tight.
• 57:15
  We'll look for any play or listen for any sort of loose fittings
• 57:19
  or bushings in the suspension.
• 57:21
  As much as you can, you know, just in a static state, look for
• 57:25
  anything else that's or maybe seems like it's not installed correctly.
• 57:31
  And then all the glass, we need both the front windows down, and if
• 57:36
  there's a glass sunroof in the car, you'll need to have some tape on that.
• 57:41
  And that's really just to kind of keep the glass together, in case
• 57:45
  something happens, it gets hit with something, or if it breaks.
• 57:48
  Since it's tempered, there's a plastic film in between the sort of
• 57:52
  glass layers anyway, so it's really gonna stay there, but We'd rather
• 57:56
  have it keep in one shattered piece instead of all over the track.
• 58:00
  Then they got to come clean it up.
• 58:02
  And then 20 minutes goes by, you know, you drop an oil and, you know, we look
• 58:09
  for leaks and oil and things like that.
• 58:12
  And then also we need your class designation and a number.
• 58:16
  And that's for the corner workers so that they can point
• 58:19
  you out when you're naughty.
• 58:21
  But you don't,
• 58:21
  you don't require someone to have their vehicle checked by like a
• 58:25
  mechanic or something before coming.
• 58:27
  We offer a sheet for you to have that completed.
• 58:31
  We are still going to go over the car.
• 58:34
  Of course, we won't go over it quite as rigorously because, okay, we're
• 58:39
  going to trust that this mechanic, you know, had looked at it, but we're
• 58:42
  still going to check the battery.
• 58:44
  We're still going to make sure everything's out.
• 58:45
  And also don't forget your helmet or any other safety items because we have
• 58:49
  to check for dates and all of that and tracks are starting to require their own
• 58:54
  sort of safety items as far as helmets go open face helmets are no longer
• 59:01
  allowed at New Jersey Motorsports Park.
• 59:04
  recommend that everybody get a full face helmet.
• 59:06
  Even last year, there was, uh, some delay with the 2020 helmets.
• 59:12
  And so, there was a ton of confusion about who's accepting what helmets.
• 59:17
  You know, because you have to replace it every 10 years.
• 59:20
  They recommend that you replace it more often than that,
• 59:23
  but that's the requirement.
• 59:24
  So, the SA 2010 was not supposed to be good for this year.
• 59:30
  But because of delays in production and raw materials, they were saying,
• 59:35
  Oh, we're going to allow it now.
• 59:37
  So the tracks were flip flopping and other groups were flip flopping.
• 59:41
  So it was a really tricky year for that.
• 59:44
  After this year, the 2015 is going to be.
• 59:48
  Your oldest rated helmet that you'll be able to use.
• 59:51
  You know, you touched on something, going through that tech explanation
• 59:54
  about numbers and classing.
• 59:56
  We all have our favorite numbers and that's fine, but classing,
• 59:59
  you did talk about it, you kind of alluded to it earlier.
• 1:00:01
  So let's just touch for a moment on how classing works at em A.
• 1:00:05
  So we've re-written our rule book, as Corey mentioned, for this season.
• 1:00:10
  So what we do now is.
• 1:00:12
  We start a base class by power to weight ratio.
• 1:00:15
  So if you're running in a time trial group and your car comes out
• 1:00:19
  of the factory and it's a hundred horsepower and weighs a thousand
• 1:00:22
  pounds, you're set in a base class.
• 1:00:24
  On top of that, you have exception points.
• 1:00:26
  I always like to use that Honda Civic Type R.
• 1:00:28
  You know, that Honda Civic Type R sitting next to another Honda Civic Type
• 1:00:32
  R that has 40 tread wear tires on it.
• 1:00:34
  It's going to be a couple of seconds faster.
• 1:00:36
  It's hard to put those two cars in the same class.
• 1:00:38
  So that's where exception points come in.
• 1:00:40
  So what we do is we have your base class with exception points.
• 1:00:43
  Now, Corey mentioned before, you know, suspension is free as long
• 1:00:46
  as it bolts to the same, you know, mounting points and sway bars are free.
• 1:00:50
  Certain things like power upgrades and big arrow will allow exception
• 1:00:53
  points, which may bump you into, uh, Let's say another class up and
• 1:00:57
  again, you take that Honda civic type R with those 40 treadwear tires.
• 1:01:01
  You put big arrow on there and a tune.
• 1:01:04
  That's a much faster car and it shouldn't be in the same class
• 1:01:06
  as that factory stock type R.
• 1:01:08
  So that's how we class is a base class with.
• 1:01:11
  Power to weight ratio with exception points on top.
• 1:01:14
  So guys, we covered a lot about what is Emra, where you come from,
• 1:01:18
  how to get there, what to do the track day, all this kind of stuff.
• 1:01:21
  I think we've got people really revved up to come out and try an event here.
• 1:01:25
  And so what I wanted to ask is, is there anything we didn't cover?
• 1:01:29
  Are there any other services that folks should be aware of that Emra?
• 1:01:33
  One of them I, I know about, and I'm kind of wondering if it still
• 1:01:36
  exists is the annual endurance race.
• 1:01:39
  Is that still something that Emera puts on?
• 1:01:40
  And what other things like that would folks maybe not know about
• 1:01:44
  for turning in for the first time?
• 1:01:45
  I'm going to jump in and say, we haven't talked about award ceremonies.
• 1:01:48
  Oh, okay.
• 1:01:49
  After every event, not the weekend, literally every day,
• 1:01:53
  we do have an award ceremony.
• 1:01:54
  We do present awards to the race and the class winners of the day.
• 1:01:58
  At the end of the season, we do an awards dinner.
• 1:02:00
  We've been teaming up with FRCCA for that.
• 1:02:03
  And again, we're presenting the championship from that season.
• 1:02:06
  Basically the point winners in each class and race.
• 1:02:09
  For the season, but I'll let Corey take over for the rest.
• 1:02:11
  We do not run the endurance races anymore.
• 1:02:15
  It was taking up a lot of time that we no longer had available to us
• 1:02:21
  on the track days, unfortunately.
• 1:02:23
  We ran 50 years of the four hour night race.
• 1:02:26
  Which was honestly my favorite race of the year.
• 1:02:30
  It was like the last hurrah of the season, you know?
• 1:02:33
  You would take whatever you had left and just put it out there on the track
• 1:02:37
  and see how far you could make it.
• 1:02:40
  I really enjoyed the event and if we have the interest I would most certainly look
• 1:02:45
  at running the endurance races again.
• 1:02:48
  If we had the interest we would definitely consider doing that again.
• 1:02:52
  I would like to approach some point with doing that again but You know, like
• 1:02:57
  I said, we, we need the interest and, you know, with AER and the different
• 1:03:01
  clubs that have sort of focused on that type of racing, we're moving sort of
• 1:03:06
  away from that, whereas those groups are focusing on that kind of racing.
• 1:03:11
  Absolutely.
• 1:03:12
  You guys are hyper focused on time trials and, you know, the times are
• 1:03:15
  changing and, you know, you're giving.
• 1:03:17
  Time trials, it's day in the sun, which is great.
• 1:03:20
  And focusing on that global time attack and all that, I
• 1:03:23
  think it's the right direction.
• 1:03:24
  And sometimes you just got to let things go.
• 1:03:26
  I mean, to do things for tradition, just to keep doing it.
• 1:03:29
  And to your point with interest waning, but now you've got all this new interest
• 1:03:33
  in something exciting, like time trials and you're building on that.
• 1:03:36
  And I think you've got an awesome foundation to continue that going.
• 1:03:40
  And you know, that foundation wouldn't be there Without the help
• 1:03:43
  of sponsors and other organizations and people coming to the table.
• 1:03:47
  So is there anybody that you'd like to give a shout out to while
• 1:03:50
  you have the opportunity and you still have the audience listening?
• 1:03:53
  So I'll turn to John in marketing for that one.
• 1:03:55
  Sure.
• 1:03:55
  Sure.
• 1:03:56
  So first you mentioned global time attack.
• 1:03:57
  We'd like to thank Jason.
• 1:03:59
  We do speak with him a lot.
• 1:04:01
  We cross promote events with him.
• 1:04:02
  So definitely like to thank Global Time Attack.
• 1:04:04
  Couple of our sponsors.
• 1:04:05
  We have Metro Auto Body, Race Align out in Deer Park, Exineering Motorsports,
• 1:04:10
  List Technologies, Island Motorsports, Otis Ford, Fast Forward, OnTrack
• 1:04:15
  Photography, those are our main sponsors.
• 1:04:17
  K& S Brakes, they certainly help out.
• 1:04:19
  Dry Shine, Wireless Car Care.
• 1:04:22
  There's a bunch of them,
• 1:04:23
  and I think something that we touched on before we have a photographer
• 1:04:27
  taking pictures of everything all day.
• 1:04:29
  And this is part of what you're getting now as well.
• 1:04:33
  And you can go to the website and download any of the pictures of any of
• 1:04:37
  the cars or any of the paddock action, the trophy ceremonies, everything, you
• 1:04:43
  know, and I think that's great because.
• 1:04:45
  It helps you to sort of remember the day and go off a little
• 1:04:49
  bit to your friends, too.
• 1:04:50
  Like, dude, check this out where I was this weekend, you know?
• 1:04:53
  And if
• 1:04:53
  I remember correctly, Zipkin is part of that car club and beer
• 1:04:57
  drinking society we talked about at the top of the conversation.
• 1:05:00
  That is correct.
• 1:05:01
  He is actually our representative.
• 1:05:06
  Different beer at every meeting, right?
• 1:05:08
  Love it.
• 1:05:09
  I just want to add to what Corey was saying.
• 1:05:11
  We actually have on the site now a, uh, photo request form as well.
• 1:05:14
  Any event that you, you know, you want photos from, fill that form out and
• 1:05:18
  we'll go ahead and send you all the photos that we have for your view.
• 1:05:20
  I
• 1:05:21
  mean, we're taking drone footage and, and I mean, there's all sorts of video and,
• 1:05:26
  and everything and it's all available.
• 1:05:28
  Well, folks.
• 1:05:29
  If you've never heard of Emra before, I don't know how, because
• 1:05:32
  they have been doing grassroots motorsports racing since 1969.
• 1:05:37
  Can you believe that?
• 1:05:38
  Celebrating over 50 years of endurance, club racing, time trials, and DE.
• 1:05:45
  So if you haven't checked out Emra yet, check it out.
• 1:05:48
  You should emmeracing.
• 1:05:49
  org for more details, the Eastern Motorsports Racing
• 1:05:52
  Association, emmeracing.
• 1:05:54
  org, follow them on Facebook and on Instagram at emmeracing and use the
• 1:05:59
  online contact us form on the website to get a hold of John and Corey directly.
• 1:06:03
  If you want more information or more details that were not expressed
• 1:06:07
  in this particular episode.
• 1:06:09
  So with that guys, I cannot.
• 1:06:11
  Thank you enough for coming on here and sharing the Emra story, telling people
• 1:06:15
  what it's all about, getting people excited again about time trials, you
• 1:06:18
  know, another flavor, another discipline of motorsport that maybe somebody is
• 1:06:23
  just hearing about for the first time.
• 1:06:24
  I didn't know I could do that.
• 1:06:25
  Didn't know I could compete against the clock against somebody else in my class.
• 1:06:29
  You know, all these kinds of fun things that we've come accustomed
• 1:06:31
  to in the time trials world.
• 1:06:32
  So I thank you both for coming on and, and sharing your story.
• 1:06:36
  Can't thank you enough for having us on and allowing us
• 1:06:38
  to share, you know, the story.
• 1:06:40
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