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AI and Mental Health: Is Nervous System Collapse the Real Risk? · 10X AI with Julius Neil

• Meghna Raghoobar: So we have around forty to fifty thoughts that comes in our mind, per minute. Now forty to thoughts per minute. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: 40 to 50 thoughts per minute. Meghna Raghoobar: that comes in our brain naturally, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Wow. Good day everyone, we now have another episode here which is a very unusual industry but I have a guest here who is going to discuss about the wellness or well-being industry in the age of AI. So I have here is Meghna Lagubar and she is the founder of a startup company that she is going to explain right now. Meghna, can you introduce yourself to our viewers and our listeners? Meghna Raghoobar: Yes. Hello everyone. So my name is Megna. I'm from Mauritius, a little island in the Indian Ocean. For whoever doesn't know where we are. We are not far from another big island called Madagascar and African continent continent just beside. So a little intro introduction about me. So I am in the wellness sector for the past I would say seven years, but really started during COVID time. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: And mostly what we do is that we connect people with themselves and nature, in terms of nature-based therapies. We organize international well-being tourism you know retreats. And Iceland is one of the countries that we will be organizing a retreat in the in the future. So I'm just telling you that, Cesar. We and also we we went to Nepal and there are a few other countries in the pipeline. we also work in the corporate wellness, like helping companies. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Okay. Meghna Raghoobar: putting up strategy of well being but also how can they move forward in the age of AI with the employees as well. So this is a bit what we do through Holistic. So the my startup name is Holistic, yeah. Holistic and that is Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, yeah, so that's one of the things that I got interested into because there's very few people right now using AI and then there's wellness and then well-being industry in the age of AI. So I haven't gotten into that that industry yet. So most of my main industry is in the finance. I have finance already or pharmaceutical or other technical technical or other bigger industries. But in the wellness industry, I haven't seen any startup yet in AI. So why are you Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Why are you very interested in AI and the intersection of AI and wellbeing? Meghna Raghoobar: Well being because I I mean the the next two two major, you know, sector that will be influencing the world it's wellness and AI. because because as we know, people are are suffering more and more from mental health issues and they're seeking more, you know, more into the connection with themselves, their emotional regulation, the nervous system regulation. And with the coming up of AI, we do realize that Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. Meghna Raghoobar: there's so much of pros but also so much of cons that can happen. And no one is talking about it, no one is thinking about it. But when we go deeper, you know, because AI also it's still very new, it's still developing and we're not we're not yet at the stage where we have proper regulation, even the governance, we're still doing research to have proper governance, proper ethical, you know, method methodologies. So it's still very, very new. And that's Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: one of the reasons why I got interested because now is the time to really get into shaping it so that it's not detrimental for the mental health of people. so much so much so even now people are getting more and more into AI, into you know, making them making AI the therapies, making AI their everything. And if there's no proper regulation, it can take over. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: you using. Meghna Raghoobar: the life of people and peop and also human beings being brought into that maybe disconnected in in realizing or in how to say in in reconnecting and realizing that you know human beings are important and we cannot dismiss that w hum hum humans need humans even in the age of AI. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: So this is yeah, this was one of their main reasons. It's really to ensure that we don't go too much in the extreme, you know, before it's it's too late, you know. It's a bit like, you know, I mean, I sorry, but I will I'll take the pharmaceutical industry or or even you know the the the industries that you know where we were the defense industry when it was created, you know. so because there was no proper regulation at the beginning itself. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Yeah? Uh-huh. Meghna Raghoobar: You see you you see how the shortcomings that happen in the future. Now the defence industry has become something where people are using it even at the detrimental of human beings. The pharmaceutical industry, it was it it was for, you know, major cases, major health issues, emergency. But now for even if fever, people are going instead of, you know, going to to natural medicine, they are just relying on short term nutriting their symptoms than the root cause of Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: of things. So so when you you see those two industries and proper regulation has not been taken at the very beginning, I'm being in the wellness sector, I think that I don't know if if if my voice on that will be listened, but at least I I would know that I have done my best to contribute a little bit while it's still shaping us. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Thank you. I don't know if you heard that this one news I think three months back about somebody who used AI and then I don't know which one which one of the AI tools out there but he took his life because the you know the AI told him to take yeah yeah so that so what's your take on that? Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah, I had that. Yeah. I mean I it will it will be I mean one my take on that not on the case itself but so far I've used Claude, I've used TraGPT and I've used Gemini. I would say that there are many in many cases many questions Trajupity doesn't answer you because it says that it's not it's it it will not position itself to answer you so that you take, you know, decisions that are not Right, you know. And and and the good thing about Cloud, I'm I'm using Cloud a lot these days. So whenever you have a strategy plan and you are you you want to work on your plan with Claude, if ever you're bouncing something else, Cloud will bring you back to your points where you are so that you don't get diverted on other things. And I find that this is very, very interesting, especially you know when you are Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Correct. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. huh. Meghna Raghoobar: When you're in a position where you're getting so much of information towers you and your your brain can just, you know, go in all sorts of directions. But it it gets you g yeah, it's not it's not hundred percent where maybe we can have a proper, you know, guidance that we use it yet. But still I find it has evolved in a way where it doesn't answer all questions. It kind of know what to answer, what not to answer. So for the case of suicide, I don't know, you know, I do have Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, Meghna Raghoobar: I didn't have all the details, all the data, all the conversation that happened, how it was, you know, shaped to say that it was AI that really you know, got that person to commit suicide. So I w I I won't be able to pronounce myself on that, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, correct. that's why it's like what you said, the governance of AI should be standardized in the future. And then there will be some guardrails when it comes to using AI, when it comes to like psychological questions or psychiatric questions on that. And then I have at least three or four previous podcast guests who are already very alarmed about the usage of people. Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: using AI when it comes to their relationships, when it comes to their troubles in the office, when it comes to their career and all those things. the most alarming is for them is when people are now confiding to AI and not consulting the experts like the doctors or the psychiatrist when it comes to that. So those are the things that are now very alarming. So in your experience, how would you know, how would well-being Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: well-being industry be transformed with AI? When people are, for example, I don't need Meghna to teach me how to do meditation. I'll just go to Claude, I'll just go to chat GPT or to Gemini and I'll just follow whatever the tools tell me. How do you think you should be in a position that you're still human centered instead of using AI tools in the wellness industry? Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think that I mean people are in all industry, not only in in the wellness industry, I think people have that, you know, that fear that maybe AI will take over some part of the of the you know of the job or of the of the market. But I don't see I mean, you know, I was one of the first people reluctant about AI. So I started using AI very late. I started using AI I think around mid twenty twenty four if Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: around October twenty twenty four. I mean now I use it daily. But because I was but but I because I was skeptical about one thing, which I'm still, of course. it's about the the amount of information that we feed in the system. So the system now, you know, we had all all social media platforms earlier which were getting information based on what we post, you know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: and kind of profiling each first people. But now with AI, we don't realise whatever we're sharing, whatever we're chatting, is being recorded. So I I think the AI knows much more about us than, you know, maybe any social media platform would could could depict about a an individual. So I'm but to get back to what you were saying about, you know, AI taking the place on of in the wellness sector, I don't think it will in in most of the sectors. It might take Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Yes. Correct. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: a major part of responsibilities of of task, but not not the deep rooted the the the deep rooted you know responsibility of that particular domain. For example for the wellness sector, you know the the the kind of discipline, the the kind of accountability a a you know a student have with the coach, the the human to human approach, the human to human conversation. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: the warmth, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: the biology contact, I don't think AI can replace that, you know. And it can give you ideas, it can give you guidance, it can give you, you know, practical or pragma pragmatic, you know, solution in a particular event. But human needs human to interact, you know, human needs you human to balance our emotion, you know, our everything that you can you you can you can imagine on on the relationship that human needs to have. So on this level, I don't think so. And also on other aspects, for example, you know, when you're organizing in a retreat or you want to connect a community together. So I don't fe I don't think people will be happy about a robot, you know, conducting a retreat from day one to day ten, for example. So it it has its place, you know, it will have its place, for example, in the planning an event. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: yeah. Yeah, yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: into researching on a for example, if I were into host a retreat in a particular country into doing the research there even more more rapidly than maybe in it would have been in when it comes to Googling. But but yeah, but I think it it can't take all the all the segment first yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah, so you are more on the... I also believe that it should be always human-centered but there are people who believe that, for example, like you, I can do a digital twin of Megan and put all of my brain into that digital twin so that I can work with my clients or I can work with all of my group or my or my trainees 24-7. So do you think... Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: there will be a time that an AI digital will be as good as you or better than you in the wellness sector. Meghna Raghoobar: It will it will come. It will come. You know, it's it it's humans nature. Greed it's one of the seven, you know, capital sins that you know. So greed is very much something that human beings are still learning how to overcome. So when you have a tool that, you know, that brings you more out or trying to get you more, definitely I think people people who who want more from life will go, you know, to that. But then it depends to people to people, you know. there will be people who will be who will be attracti who will be more for the segment of you know, of mass, you know, mass well being, how to say trainings or coaching, but there will also be people who are more into intimate, you know, circles, into human to human approach. So I think there will be a place for both and then it will be people themselves that will decide what Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Thanks. you Meghna Raghoobar: resonates more, you know, with them. And and it also that's case also. People can want something something more intimate now with one coach and maybe at a later stage want something more generic and coded or, you know, AI AI supported. So we like that, yeah. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so as a founder of a wellness startup like yours, you are organizing events in different countries like Nepal, going to Sri Lanka, or somewhere else in the world. And before AI, you create your programs based on your experiences. But post-AI, how AI transform Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: the way you think, the way you draft the programs in each session. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's very interesting because I'm I'm like, you know, I I started using AI in twenty twenty four, I as I was telling you. So from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, I was very much intuitive and very much, you know, all the programs, you know, I've during COVID I've created programs that n never existed, you know, like scuba diving with yoga, kayaking with mindfulness and you know Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: All I can imagine, but always coming from my heart and brain. And it was me and you know, people marching to it. but it's true that, you know, with AI, you have at times ten times more ideas that you can have, you know, it as you're in your human brain when you, you know, when you try to get brainstorm on ideas. But I try my best, you know, to keep, you know, that the the me of what I want to give my client inside, even though I know that Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: if I've asked AI, you know, I use the right prompts and I ask AI about, you know, I'm I want to organize X retreat in, you know, I don't know, in Zanzibar. so you know, what what should I do? but before even doing that, I try to, you know, you I you see I have I have always my diary. So I I always jot down, you know, like what's what's in my brain first so that it it doesn't come directly. that always jot down, always make notes, always, you know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: huh. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: everything there and then from that I I design everything, you know, else it will be, you know, it will be it will be be too generic that, you know, it it has to come somewhere you know you need to pour yourself. for anything. That's for wellness. But even if you're I'm also into research. So even if you're writing a research paper, you can't just ask AI to write it for you. It can, you know, of course it can, you know, but it you have to have yourself and then you can use it to structure. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: I think that that's the most how to say that's the most ethical way to do it. And and I think even if we have so much facilities, we need to stick to our ethics, you know, and and it's it's a test and we need to pass the test by trying to remain in as ethical as possible, you know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so every Sunday I also release some e-book about CEO mindfulness, getting away with the strategy, getting away with the technical side of the work. Because I firmly believe that to be able to be a good leader and to be able to be an effective leader, everything comes inner. The inner self, the inner soul should be ready. The inner soul should be already in that level. Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: of decision making. So whenever you are one with nature, one with yourself, you'll be able to decide more effectively when it comes to the organization, especially the critical decisions. So, have, yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. And also, I mean, just sorry, just to add to that, there's something that we we don't talk often, but when you're in the wellness sector, it comes very naturally. It's it's your gut feeling, your intuition. I think you know, we we always talk about you know science, you you know back science back things. But I think science and intuition should go very much hand in hand if ever we want to give, you know, our hundred percent to the best of humankind. we should not forget that Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: You know, we have that gut gut feeling and instinct that also guides us into planning things forward as well. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, I believe that as well. we already discussed this a while you said that so what if the biggest risk of AI isn't the job loss, but the nervous collapse? What do you think? Well, what if Yeah, what if the biggest risk of AI? Isn't job loss, but nervous system collapse? Meghna Raghoobar: can you repe yeah, can you repeat That nervous system collapse. Yeah. That yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that that's one of the biggest risks actually because yeah, because I was I was just doing some research before our our our put cards because I didn't I didn't have their numbers in mind. So we have around forty to fifty thoughts that comes in our mind, you know, per minute. Now forty to thoughts per minute. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, you already mentioned that. 40 to 50 thoughts per minute. Meghna Raghoobar: that comes in our brain naturally, you know? So now just imagine that when you're conversing with a when you we are conversing with an eye, how many more information is coming to you? Is our brain is has a does our brain has the capacity, enough capacity to gather so much of information in our nervous system? if yes, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Wow. Meghna Raghoobar: Good, but if no, what is it doing to our brain? What it is good is it doing to all our whole system, our gut, our stress level, our cortisol level, you know? I mean these are things we don't talk about, but I think these are things that we need to start. We need to start having the conversation because while developing AI, we can't just you know, see the technical side of things of how it is evolving, the the future of work. But Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: it's also very important to see how is it affecting the nervous system of people and how people can collapse as you say through it because there's no proper you know no no proper middle way, you know, middle way to use it. I love, you know, one of the one of the philosophy that I love is the Buddhist philosophy where Buddha speaks about the middle path, the middle way. So everything that we do, it has to always be, you know, just milieu, as we say in French, like In the middle way, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so for the sake of context for our listeners and viewers, can you explain in layman's terms what is the nervous system collapse and why is it relevant now in the AI era? Meghna Raghoobar: Hmm. So the whole you know the the whole functioning of the human body or of our of our emotions or our physical health of our mental health, it's the nervous system. So the nervous system it really if you want it it's it's the system of what that's in our brain that helps to regulate other aspects of our body. So when it's dysregulated it has a big impact on our organs, you know, it it brings a kind of dysfunction in our organs and it brings it can bring chronic disease, it can bring, you know, gut issues and you name it. so I'm collapsing it's a when when we say it's collapse, it's that it's dysregulated, that it directly affects, you know, organs, other organs in your body. And once once one organ is affected in your body, all the organs get affected Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: automatically because we are in our organs are interconnected once one gets you know gets something through the others automatically it has a you know it has on the other so so yeah this the the this will cause many major health issues you know I mean we we knew about health issues about diabetes, you know about all those things but the the the the health issue that stress has been causing the last decades Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Meghna Raghoobar: has been way more dangerous than you know than than other other illness that has been there for hundreds of years, you know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah. now we are building AI to think faster than humans. You you just prompt and everything will be there, know, several pages of information. So we'll be building AI that thinks faster. So are we also building humans who can survive that speed? Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hmm. that's that that's a very good question, you know, because there there has been a few times that I had this conversation with friends about adaptability, you know. Human beings are designed to adapt. We have always been adapting since, you know, since the start of humankind. we have always been in constant evolution and we have always been adapting to new dynamics, new situations. Our great grandparents were not using mobile, so it if if during that time, I would have asked them, you know, how the world would be with mobile or would we adapt to it? They would have said, no. I mean, how can you be with, you know, a phone 24 hours if you are sleeping with that and everything? but will they will but just coming back to you, even if we have this theory that says that, you know, we have always been adapting as human beings, I'm I'm kind of I'm kinda afraid when it comes to AI if we will sustain it to, you know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: to such a level because because all the tools that has been used in the evolution of mankind washing machine or you know any any other thing you know it has been there to help us you know to to reduce you know our loads of you know of how stores work and it it has not been impacting us directly on on Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: on a cerebral level because it it's more on a on a mechanical or or if you want on a mechanical level. But the eyes directly linked with our brain. We are constantly using it for our brain. So this is where I feel that because it's going too fast, I am quite I won't say pessimistic, but I'm quite I feel quite concerned about how Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: will we adapt to it in the in the coming years. Even if we do, what impact it will have, you know, on our brain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, and then also if AI can work also 24-7 and then why are we as humans are competing with machines instead of redesigning work, right? Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Yeah, true. And also not later than yesterday, you know, I was just you know, I was just introspecting and linking, you know. I was just like thinking that's like, you know, linking it it puts people, you know, we we we we look at the profile of people, where what they studied, what they do in life. But then I had this thought in my mind, you know, that you know, our life is not just, you know, our career. Yeah, it is it's Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: part of our life. You know, we're humans, we're here for I think we are on earth for other purpose than just having a career and world, you know? But but it has taken so much of I think the society has put so much of pressure on humans that that it it seems to be that that it's the only thing, you know, that defines our purpose on Earth, the career that we have. And and yeah it it's the same for me I I see it the same as AI. If we Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: go with that trend and we forget other aspects, you know, of our life, slowing down, mindfulness, taking time to, you know, to breathe, taking time to be w with ourself, take taking time to go for a walk. I mean, I'll say the beach because I'm I'm I'm from a beach island. So so then yeah, then we're missing out, you know, the the real purpose of being human. If we so so at some point I think that no matter how far s AI is going, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. in a hypothetical situation, for example, year 2090, do you think the most productive version in the future is the one who the most? Meghna Raghoobar: We as human, we shouldn't we shouldn't forget what we're here for, why we're here and and AI and you know, our career and everything is just one part of our life. It's not the whole, you know, of our our life here. We should not forget that, I feel. Yeah. Who writes the most? The the the I didn't I didn't hear the first part. The most sorry. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, that's the most. The most productive person in the future is actually the one who rests the most. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. I think yes. I I I'm a hundred percent sure. Not I think, because I mean science, I'll say science, you we need seven to eight hours of sleep, you know. That's that's a non negotiable, you know. but are we having those seven to eight hours? And if we're not having what's the impact on our la health? Why for me, I believe a lot in longevity. Why would we accelerate five years of our life to crash? Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: at year six than to live fifteen years and to live it well, fully, you know, wholly I'll say. So I think these are questions that people should start, you know, asking themselves without, you know, without dismissing, you know, what AI is doing, really by embracing what it's bringing, by really taking advantage of the tool and moving forward, maybe faster, to get things done, but not at the d detrimental of our health or Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: about, you know, our real, you know, purpose as human here in terms of connection with ourselves, nature, you know, and our own inner spiritual path and everything else that's that's that also exists and that we forget at times here. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: you Do you think, will the next generation in the age of AI, will the next generation of leaders be measured by profits or by well-being of their people? Meghna Raghoobar: Hm. That's that's that's a very interesting question. I don't have a single answer for that. because we are living in a capitalist world right now and profit is already being measured. And you know there's th there's a term, there's a concept called well being economy. I don't know if you yeah, it's it's called well being economy. Some nations I don't know if Iceland I think Iceland practiced that if I'm not mistaken. I yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: Many many countries are going towards trying to develop, you know, their their political system on the aspect of being well being economy. So if more nations start adapting this stra this system, I think that wellness will be one of the aspects that will measure, you know, the GDPR nation. Bhutan already does it. We already have the happiness report that is being, you know. done annually to say what what are the most happiest countries and based on, you know, family relationships, you know, social life and everything else. there is a consciousness that's happening there and people are becoming more and more aware. but it will get all nations to, you know, to adapt to this kind of strategy to for me to say that, you know, we're doing we'll be going more towards same well being as or, you know, GDP of the country rather than Julius Neil Buenconsejo: So, yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: profit, you know. So let's see how it goes in the in the coming five, ten years, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: So having worked in the United Nations, have you encountered a research or statistics that ties well-being economy, the higher well-being of the people, the higher, you know, the better the economy of the country? Meghna Raghoobar: Not at this stage, you know, when I was working when I was done working in collaboration with UNESCO and other UN bodies, like that was like ten, ten, twelve years back, it we were more focused on environmental, you know, projects, on the impact of plastic pollution, you know, oceans and you know, not yet to the well being, but definitely from getting back within the system in the coming years. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: I I'm sure to push, you know, the well being aspect forward in the within the UN bodies to that, you know, the the policy is being more advocated on that level. I mean, that's that's my next move if you if we can say so, is to try to put wellness at the forefront of UN, you know, decision making levels, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, and having, you know, talk about nervous system health. So should companies track employee nervous system health as closely as they track the KPIs? Meghna Raghoobar: Think they should, yeah. Because it it was it's what determines how, you know, productive or how diligent someone will be in the work. So I think it's to the advantage of company to really track it and ensure that, you know, their employees are have a well regulated nervous system and to put all the mechanism in place for them to be able to do that. Maybe rest. I know in China I saw that the other day. They have you know, they have how to say they have their their chair can be can can go down and become kind of bed where they can rest, you know, within working hours and then get back to work. These are little things that I think we should have. We should have restrooms. people should be allowed to take naps, you know, sh should have, you know, convenient places where na is anchorage and you know, healthy food, breakfast and Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: They they they need to put that if they want to have a good productive working force, because AI will not be able to do everything, you know. We you we will still be needing humans for few things, even if you know, robots can will be able to do a maximum things in the future. But we need to be able to cater for humans, yeah, so that the work is being done more you know, conscientiously. for for the future of humankind themselves. Yeah. If that's what we want, of course, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Yeah, if you, I'm just curious, if you have worked with companies already, for example, if you have an event with companies, and then do you think, are we entering an era where well-being becomes a business strategy, not just a wellness perk? Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. For some, yes. in March it's still very new. I mean I can still I I can speak for the context here. it's still very new. I mean we had we had few companies. I mean I work with around so for twenty companies and and the twenty companies were themselves they were the ones who approach us, allists then, to host, you know, events or team bonding, well being activities for the employees. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: huh. Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: But we've reached out to over a hundred companies, you know, I think around two hundred and fifty. So but most of the people we reach out to were not the ones who wellness in there, you know, in the sector. It was it was mostly people who companies who adhere to it at the beginning and they approach us. So so I I think many companies are still not ready for it. And if they are doing it, it's only, you know, for Health Week or just Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: you know, to to make it like is a sexy and sassy thing that they're doing for the for the for the but not not yet, you know, not yet in in in in imprinted in their in their DNA. yeah, it's it's not there yet, I can say for Mauritius at least. I don't know about Europe, I don't know about Iceland. but definitely maybe that Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, Okay. Uh-huh. Meghna Raghoobar: could be for me a research scope in the future to see w where things on this yeah on this level. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so in Iceland, think it's not if it's an Icelandic company or companies who are based in Iceland or I also worked in Sweden before. I think it's more on the cultural side. It's not a business strategy. It was given. It was given when I joined this company. All the wellness perks and all this and then the work-life balance are given. So it's not, it's not, but some of them are, you know, some of them are integrated into the system. Like for example, in Sweden, we have six months maternity leave. Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: something like that so they have that and then there's also paternity leave also for the men like I think three or four months also in Sweden so something like that so it's already integrated in some of the system but culturally it's basically the same between among this Nordic countries Finland Norway Sweden Denmark Faroe Islands and Iceland and Greenland basically they're all the same yeah Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm, yeah, I Yeah, I think they're they're quite they they're there are countries that are much much more advanced. You know, they are known to be advanced in even education and everything, you know. They are they are country countries that we look up to for how they, you know, they manage the system. I wanted to ask you about stress leave. So you do have stress leave then. example, someone is suffering from mental health issue. You have a leave for that in in those countries? Yeah, you do. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can. So there is, for example, in Sweden, I have some one case of he she is an immigrant, for example, that she has this problem with with with this mental health issue with comes to her work. And then we have to deal with that with HR first. There's no system that you need to that you need to follow. So there will be HR first. And then we discuss with management. And then after that, Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Because the union system in Sweden is very strong. So we have to go through the unions first and then once then it's very collaborative It's very you know consensus decision-making and then once we decided okay this person needs help and then there's always they always have this Institution that takes care of the mental health so that was that was that was very good for them And you know, it's they don't take mental Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: mental health issues lightly. It's very serious when you say that you have a mental health issues. The companies, the unions, or the community will automatically focus on you and then give you all the requirements or the required medications if you need or the psychiatric tests that you need. But you have to go through with all of this and there will also be some psychiatric tests also just to validate that you are in a stage of mental illness. Meghna Raghoobar: Mm, se ve así. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: like that. So it's very organized when it comes to the Nordic. I'm not sure about some other European countries but in the Nordics it's basically almost all of them are the same. So that is it. Meghna Raghoobar: Okay. Okay, Dundra. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They are known they are known for that. I mean they are I think they're referenced for the world. You know, not the country the Scandinavian are are good reference for the world on on environmental aspect, education, you know and wellness. So yeah, I think I should move there. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you should move, you should move in nicer. So for example, if AI eventually knows everything, so what unique human qualities will become our greatest advantage? Meghna Raghoobar: Mm, unique it's it's as I said it earlier, it's the really the human connection. Because the eye won't be able to bring that, you know, the warmth, the biology, the connection of human to human. So that's that's something I think. It's it will be irrepla irreplaceable, you know. It can speak to you as a human, but it will never be able to bring the warmth another human can bring to you. So Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, do you think that when after the promotion after the chaos within this AI because most of the most of the people are very Alarm and they are very what they call this Worried about AI replacing humans. Do you think these companies these top companies tech companies are now redesigning technology around human You know hurry around human needs or they're still pushing their own agenda Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Hmm. yes and no, you know, you you will never know what's the what's in the mind of the founders. You know, I can I can speak for for for the company that I am very close to in Luxembourg. the founder is my very, very good friend and I know him as a person, you know. I know him as a person, yeah. So so so because I know him as a person, I can say Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Aha! Really? Aha! Okay. Meghna Raghoobar: what's human centred for him, you know, but I won't be able to say what's human centered for other, you know, AI company positioning themselves or as being humans to humans, you know. But still, we we are in an era where business is business, you know. I don't know to which extent, you know, all the startups, you know, are really caring about humans or is it a marketing strategy? We will not know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: Luna. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: You work with governments, embassies, and global institutions. What's one thing that the world is getting dangerously wrong about? Meghna Raghoobar: Mm, yeah. So dangerously wrong about AI. You mean people in general or policy makers? People in general? Julius Neil Buenconsejo: I think policymakers. Meghna Raghoobar: policymakers. Mm-mm. No, this one I but I I don't think I have the the right or the the the best answer for that. because you know I'm I've not interacted that much with policymakers to know you know what's what they think. But what I can say though about AI is many people from the older generation and most policymakers are from that generation. they don't even know how to use AI yet. You know, I've been I had I have people who I've been coaching yoga or you know, wellness who are also requesting me to teach them how to use AI tools now. So maybe I'll become an AI tool coach in the future. Yeah. Yeah. Two of my students, yeah, because they you know they are many are in their mid forties, fifties and but they they they they they're still not at ease using AI and they still don't know how to use it. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: huh. Really? Okay, Meghna Raghoobar: So now the policymakers, I think that it's still very, very new to them because most in Russia's most of the policymakers are above sixty. So they should have been retired by now, but they are not. So so so this they they don't I don't they don't master it yet to to really be able to position themselves on that. But that of course they have their advisors and everyone else who mostly master it. So yeah, I wouldn't have a really definite answer. As of now, you know, to to pronounce myself on that. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: So when you told me about your clients asking you to help them use AI or understand AI, what specifically, which part of AI they wanted to know? Yeah, yeah, that was it. Meghna Raghoobar: the tools, how to use the tools for their for their own you know, their own business. Yeah. How to because people are still many people, high level people are still reluctant to use it because you can imagine, you know, I mean they have all the all their life they have been using their brain and, you know, their acumen to type, to write. And suddenly, you know, within second you have a machine that's doing it for you. So there is still that reluctance of not doing it. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: You Meghna Raghoobar: But now that they are seeing that everyone is doing it, they are feeling a bit behind because, you know, the world is moving. So they they feel the need to learn it now. It's it's more about it, about how to use the tool in a proper way, how to use the right prompt, you know. They still it's still very new to many, many of them. Yeah. I don't know in Europe if it's the case, but in Mauritius, people of the older generation still need yeah, they still need kind of some guidance on that, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. I For example, I can speak about in Iceland I think it's basically the same most of the people still doesn't know what AI is they they still think that AI is chachypity They don't understand what are LLMs, know, they don't understand what the machine learning what they what they don't understand What what are workflows, you know all these things still a lot of people are still reluctant to use AI because Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. I didn't. Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: as we said a while ago that they think that if AI comes to an organization, then a lot of people will be replaced by AI, which is not the case. It should amplify the person, it should amplify the employees. And all the nitty-gritty, the small tasks that are repetitive, that takes a lot of time doing, can be outsourced to AI. And then of course, you can focus more on the things that you do best, or the most important things for moving forward. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, sure. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: or the moving forward to achieve the goals. So it's still the same here in Iceland, so in Mauritius, so maybe it's still in the early stages. So most of us right now that we're talking about, or the people that I invited to the podcast are the, like we are the first movers. We're the first to understand that there is a future in the AI. And most people still don't understand the 99 % of the people. And then you have to have a lot of education coming into this. And then... Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Mm. Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: And then it doesn't really help also that there are a lot of news coming from different big companies that are laying off because of AI. So we don't know if it's really AI that they're laying off because of AI or it's just a strategy for them to use AI so that people will just understand, okay, they're using AI now so I'm not valuable for the company right now. So that's the thing. we're still in the early stages of AI adoption. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. True, true. Mm. Yeah, too. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: In wellness it yeah Yeah, go ahead Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah, and no yeah. No no and also in addition addition to what to what you're saying, I think there it's it's moving so fast and and there's so many information and people are getting lost, you know, so many so many options, so many informations. And I think that if if ever we want to bridge the gap, you know, in the AI world, it we need to have a proper like introductory, I don't know, wakra or seminar or webinar, you know, or online course, which people can follow to to really understand where it comes from, that it has been there, you know, for for for decades, you know. It's not like it was not born like yesterday, you know, and and you then explain how it has evolved to how it has been democratized actually, because it was not public, you know. So people need to understand the history of AI and how it became Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: public for human normal people like us to be able to use it. But it was already there, you know, for a long, long time. We were using it already. And and then, you know, maybe guidance about tools for which tools to use for what. Because even in the even in the tools, you know, in Chat GPT is good for certain things. Gemini is good for other other other aspects. Cloud, they they all do kind of the same thing. But each tool has a specificity that they they do better than the other. And people are not even much more aware because there's so much of information out there. So I think there needs to be a proper, I don't know, ecourse or something where people are being guided properly about the tools and everything. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's why also like you mentioned a while ago, the data security and also the AI government. It's very hard to do it now or standardize this because there's no standard yet. Everything's evolving very fast. So every three months there will be a new LLM, a new better model that is coming out. So it's really hard to cope up with that until we have such thing that we have standardized or Meghna Raghoobar: Now there's the Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: you know the adoption will be there that I think that's the best time to do all this you know governance but at least for me as a person I want them to see a governance within our organizations for example the data security within the organization but industry wise I think it will be you know maybe in the future but the company should have this should have this governance when it comes to data security and governance so yeah Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, but it's shaping up. It's shipped because I mean I can see right now there's a lot of UK pr UK precisely is starting with a lot of research on governance ethics right now. Lots of funding available for and people getting, you know, researchers together to get there. But it will take I think another three, four, five years to really get, you know, the governance right, the ethic the the ethic right, the security. because it's still as you say it's still framing, yeah. It's still in framing phase, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah. So another question is, when did you realize that well-being was not a personal issue, but a system issue? Meghna Raghoobar: That well being was not a personal issue, but a system issue. Hmm, good question. Mm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, but the system, yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: I think by being with within the sector itself. Because I started to I started the well-being I star I started putting myself or being in the well-being sector out of good faith, if you want to say it. I I wanted I learned something, I I I started getting connected to nature, I followed my course, and I wanted to give back from a space of transmitting what I've learned, you know? So but in the journey. of being with people or spending time with people, I realize that it's more a system thing and it's more something that is needed in a community and it's needed for the community to to grow and you know to sustain themselves. And I think so far we impacted more than one thousand people in Mauritius with all the activities we've hosted since twenty twenty. So yeah, I mean I w when I when I look Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. Wow! That's a lot of people. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah, I did I I I I did I can't believe it myself. But then when I when I when I look at okay, we did these activities, there was like three hundred there, so two one hundred there. So when you add everything it gets to one thousand, you know, and it's like yeah, so so meeting those people, you know, and meeting them mostly I think I think eight hundred of them I must have met them personally. Maybe two hundred there was my team meeting them, but Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hahaha. Meghna Raghoobar: Having had conversation with them, it was very clear for me that it it's a community thing. it's it's something that's that's needed, you know, for a system to change, for a community to change, for real change to happen, you know, when people follow, you know, are well in themselves, you know. That's that that's the basis. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: So, I'm just curious. So for example, do you think, for example, usually when you do this, when you do these events, you have 300 people in one event. And then afterwards, know, how do you do the follow up? Do you think there's a feature for AI follow up on that? Like, you know, you have this event and then afterwards, okay, you can talk to my digital twin for the follow up. And you can also get more information from them. How is the event, you know, change them. Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: into a better person? How is the event going to be able to improve in the future? What are the things that they cannot tell you? For example, they cannot tell you right away 100 % or 300 % right away directly to you. But in the future, you think post-AI digital twin of Magna can be part of that program? Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean I mean and also just just to give you a little insight, I don't ho and I I I don't host events with lots of people. So it has been always small groups. So the maximum people I think it's like sixteen. I mean if it's if it's a community event, it's like six sixteen max. If it's corporate, it got to once eighty, eighty five people at one go, you know. Or if it's in in a room, we happen to have a hundred people in a room sitting environment. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Okay. Meghna Raghoobar: But I enjoy working in small circle because that's where, you know, the real connection happens and the change happens. So mm so yes, so getting back to your question, definitely, you know, I mean for for the time being I'm doing it manually. So after events, after retreats, you know, I have a follow up follow up qu questionnaire that comes and then you Google form gives you the gives you it in Excel. So once they fill up the form, it automatically gets on an Excel sheet. And you can upload the Excel sheet on on the Chat GPT or Cloud Cloud and it gives you one of the best report that very data driven report that you can have on the you know, on what comes to it. So I've been doing that. I've been you doing using it so far this way. But definitely maybe as it keeps improving, maybe there will be better methods, better tools that would be much more automated and easier for me to gather data so that, you know, we can keep on improving, you know, the Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: the deliver the how it is it the workshops and the retreats that we have for our participants. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, what's belief about success that you had 10 years ago that you completely reject today? Meghna Raghoobar: Hmm. So yeah. ten years ago success was about accroled, credentials, you know, about, you know, even even if today I still have goals, you know, I still I still want to do further research, I still want to do some professional courses, but it's no more for the for that reason, you know. It's more to do about the impact I can have in changing lives of people around me. So for me, for me now, and I say my heart fully open, seeing my st seeing my student from A coming depressed or coming in all their forms to seeing how they shift to becoming, you know, someone who's positive and full and wanting to, you know, live life, for me that's success. So I I do leave my wins Julius Neil Buenconsejo: you Thanks. Okay. Meghna Raghoobar: you know, with my students and with my clients every single day, you know, with the message I get from them, with how I see them improve. We have I see them, you know, take charge of their life and their the the baby steps that they are taking taking. So for me, yeah, that there's no no more success than that. You know, having worked with the UN, U UNESCO, having, you know, done so many things in the past, is not Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: equivalent to me as the happiness I feel, you know, seeing those little wins daily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: wow, yeah that's very profound and I'm so happy for you that you're feeling it, you're living the way you want it to be. So, in contrast, have you ever experienced a moment where achievement came at the expense of your well-being? Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm. My expense of the well-being. I wouldn't say achievement, but at the very beginning of when I was, you know, co found I was founding Holy Steas and very in the first one and a half or two years of Holy Stasen, I was thinking about the company, you know, 24 hours, you know, even places that you're not supposed to think about your company, I was thinking about it, you know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: So and then I remember that day I went I went for it I I enjoy a little hike that I go weekly, whenever I can. it's a little hill near my place. So then I had this this self-talk with me. I'm like, you know, Megna, you just created that company which is for wellness because you want your own freedom, you want your own well being. But how sane is it that you are you are enslaving? Yeah, yeah, I told myself you you chose not to work for someone. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: Because you didn't want to get yourself enslaved, you know, in a company or and and and you want to preach no wellness. But what are you doing? Are you not enslaving yourself for your own company by thinking about it every single day, every single moment, you know, like a crazy person always thinking about, you know. But then y that was the moment that it was not near an achievement, but it was at the very, very beginning. But then I just kind of, you know, how to say. talk to myself. I had yeah I I try to I I've tried to break that, you know, pattern in my mindset to get myself grounded so that it doesn't capit it it doesn't, you know, take all the space in my brain and as if I'm w wake waking up, going to sleep and every time, you know, thinking about it. And I must say that now it's yeah, it's it's it's it's completely different. It's there. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: so are we creating the smartest technology in while exhausted generation in history? Meghna Raghoobar: I know it's something that I'm passionate about, but it doesn't take over, you know, my life and my well being, yeah. Are we creating Julius Neil Buenconsejo: we creating the smartest technology in history while also creating the most exhausted generation in history? Meghna Raghoobar: Mm. Yeah, I think so I mean I yeah, I think yes. I wouldn't add more to that because yeah, it is what it is. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Why do you think we are creating an exalted generation right now? With the advancement of all these technologies that we have now. We have all the perks, have all these robots coming in, all these apps that we have now, all these conveniences at our fingertips. But still, yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: Mm. Yeah, but yeah. Because it's it's getting us more more connected d digitally. And the more connected we are digitally, the more it affects our brain, you know. As simple as that. So by having for example, maybe we had people had only four apps in the f in the past, they were using only four apps. Now people are using over ten apps in the mobile. So yeah, I and I I I had that, you know, the Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah. Meghna Raghoobar: I don't know if you there's a meter that you can put on your mobile where it gives you how many hours you spent on this app, that app. And but I was quite amazed to see when I was when I started monitoring how many hours I was spending on WhatsApp or on other, you know, on other platforms. It's kind of frightening that you're spending so much hours in one app, you know, daily. So so you w when you see facts and figures like that, Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, correct, Meghna Raghoobar: We are existing ourselves without realizing, you know. what we think it's two minutes or ten minutes when you see it's like one hour, two hours, you know. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah, sometimes she's just okay I'll just take a rest and then just you know scroll Facebook or scroll Instagram and check some videos and tick tock and then eventually you'll be diving into diving into that you know information and all this content and it one hour is gone so some Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. You know true true. You know, I I've I've I've two years back, just because we're talking about that. two years back I removed I deleted Facebook and Instagram. I'm no more on Facebook and Instagram for their for my own well being. Yeah, yeah. I took that conscious decision. And I think it was the best decision of my life because I was so much so much addicted to it and and then I one day I decided no, I will just remove it. So Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. it's nice. That's nice. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah, it got me into reading more, into doing other better things, you know, in life. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay. Okay, so my last question before we go to the rapid 10. If you could change one thing about how AI is being developed today to protect human well-being tomorrow, what would it be? Meghna Raghoobar: maybe add to having we yeah to in in the tool itself, have a monitor that has a number of hours that a human can spend on it, you know, daily. Yeah, and and be be yeah. That that that's that's the thing that will really help us humans to realize that it's not Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: everything and we have other things than AI to do in our lives. So have a monitor that, you know, once you have spent that much amount of time on it, it you can't use it until, you know, the next day. yeah. interesting question. let me let me just Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, I Yeah, it's in our Rapid 10x, the next round that we're going to now. I'm going to ask you that. That's the seventh question. I ask you the first question the Rapid 10x. So number one, what's one tool you actually use every day? AI tool. Okay, so thank you for that. Yeah, so you for that. Meghna Raghoobar: that let me just go back to I think that's that actually. But you had another Okay. Yeah. What would you tell your younger self about future? Huh? I really enjoyed when I saw it. Claude Ali. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: cloud AI. Number two, what's one task AI has already done next in your life? Meghna Raghoobar: What's one task AI has already? Julius Neil Buenconsejo: 10x improve 10 times in your life. Meghna Raghoobar: in my in my life, planning and structuring, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Number 3, what's one human skill AI can ever replace? Meghna Raghoobar: Warmth of another human hugs. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: I believe that. believe that. If you could automate one annoying thing forever, what would it be? Meghna Raghoobar: Yes. I mean sending you know, sending Yeah. Let me yeah. Sending, you know, messages to all the clients about future new proposals and everything like yeah, yeah, about events and everything. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: You Mm-hmm. Number five. What's the biggest misconception about AI, right? Meghna Raghoobar: that it will make people jobless. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: What advice would you give someone who wants to become 10x or improve 10x starting today? Meghna Raghoobar: to not forget themselves in that world going too f very fast. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, so this is the number seven question that you were interested in. So what would you your younger self about the future? Meghna Raghoobar: That there's nothing to worry about and everything is being taken care of, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Wow. Less nice. So number eight, what's one book, podcast, or resource that shaped your thinking about AI or innovation? Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah, so not nothing to do with a book or podcast itself. no nothing to do with an an AI book or podcast itself. but there is this book I read about eighty by twenty rule, the Pareto Principle, which kind of opened my mind on how you should be working smartly by putting it twenty percent on effort for eighty percent of out output. So you put twenty percent and then you get eighty percent of output. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Meghna Raghoobar: So I think this is what AI does. So when I got in relationship with AI, I realized that this is what it does. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Okay, okay, so if we had to bet on one AI trend that will be massive in three years, what is it? Meghna Raghoobar: If I have two, I'd I've it's it's just a connection. If I had to bet on one AI trend that will be massive in three years, what would it be? Mm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: AI trend, massive in three years. What is it? Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. So in three years what would be massive in all what's already happening? I think people seeking a eye for the therapy. Yeah. Yeah, to therapy. I think this is really speaking about all their personal things, you know. So yeah. even more. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: What do you think about their relationship? Most people now have deeper relationship with AI. Even that AI is not a person, but they have this connection already. We're saying that there's no connection, but some people who cannot tell them to other person or their friends, they just directly go to AI and then they have some connection. or something that is related to, yeah. okay, okay, Meghna Raghoobar: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: what you think about. Meghna Raghoobar: I think it's a good I would say it's a bad thing because there are moments, you know, there are moments where people have things that they want to speak, subjects that they want to address, but they wouldn't they wouldn't go and phone a friend about it, you know. They will just speak they would speak with AI about it, AI will come with the structure and then maybe they can talk talk about it to whoever it is. So it can be a good thing. But at the same time, we shouldn't forget that whatever is being shared is being recorded. So whatever you're sharing there on yourself personally, it's not as if you're sharing a secret to a friend, you know. It's it's there being recorded. But it's a it's not a bad thing because it do it does get people structure. At times may may maybe the the way, you know because many times emotion takes over and then Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Hahaha. Yeah. Okay. Meghna Raghoobar: But when you s when you speak it with AI, it gets you more structured and pragmatic. So it kind of cools you down maybe maybe before addressing the issue to someone else. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, I remember I have this one of my podcast Simone. She was previously CFO, a big pharmaceutical company. So she is handling in HR, she is CSRO and she's handling 4,000 employees. And she said one of the things that changed her life in the AI era is when they have argument, when she has an argument with her husband. They just use AI. Or she used AI to understand the point of view of her husband. Like, my husband did this, did that, so why is he doing this? that is one thing that was, I mean, one of the use cases of AI when it comes to relationships and something that she cannot share with her friends. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah, it's Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It can be helpful, it can be yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, so. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah, And also, you know, it's like maybe you process it it helps you process it and s and and make you see, you know, the before you react. So maybe it it brings you in a non reactive way of dealing situation, especially if it's before you just get on your nerves on, you know, with very close to you. It tampers you down, maybe in a way. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, and it's also a safe environment also for you to be able to let out your emotions. So number 10, my last question. So in one sentence, what does 10x mean to you personally? Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah. Yeah. It for me it means having more time with myself, more self care. and because it's because because living in a next world it's going to do, you know, the the thing that would have taken me days or hours to do. So if if it's taking this side of my hours, so how do I use those hours for my own well being? My self care, my time in nature, my time with the family, my time with hobbies. So But but you n you need to know where to put that extra time into, you know. I mean that's yeah. That that that's what what's more important. At times you can have the time, but then you're losing it in things that is not worth it as well. Yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Okay, so if some of our listeners or our audience right now would like to connect with you, where can people connect with you or learn more about your work? How can they connect with you? Meghna Raghoobar: LinkedIn. LinkedIn I think. Yeah. LinkedIn is is is their is the platform where they can connect with me. And that that's the only platform I'm on. so they can send me a message on LinkedIn and I'll be very responsive on that, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: Mm-hmm. Okay, all right. Thank you very much for that very insightful and very fruitful, you know, conversation with you and very interesting industry as well and very interesting sector because this sector I think is not yet, being explored when it comes to AI but you gave some insights on how the well-being sector is moving forward with AI. Again, thanks for, thank you very much for your time and really appreciate all the, all the insights and then the sharing that you have given us. Meghna Raghoobar: Yeah, yeah. Julius Neil Buenconsejo: So for all the viewers and listeners, thank you for watching 10xAI. Remember, the feature doesn't belong to AI, it belongs to the people who use it. See you next episode.